It’s so frustrating. They use a single bible verse to support any view. Protestants really rely on the Old Testament. Which is the old covenant. It makes zero sense.
@@joanofarc6402 Hey Mr. Life Christ be with you I have found usually protestants do not steer far from St Paul's teaching (2 Peter 3:15-16) I think Mr. Robertson view is a long way from St Paul's on this subject he has had to look further afield. It more if you hold your mouth like this and really squint this is what scripture means even though thats not what it says. God bless you
@Crazy life They really on their own interpretation. They don’t follow old and New Testament. That’s why you see all this denominations among themselves
@@joanofarc6402 Try telling that to the early Church that had NO new testament until centuries later. They used the "Old Testament" to prove that Jesus was and is the Mesiah. Not to mention that ALL the early church consisted of Jews and again the Old Testament was what led them to realize who the Mesiah was.
Bertrand Russell reotondspS766ma 1 Bertrand Russell writes in support of the decriminalization of homosexuality. "Sir, -I wish to express my very complete agreement with the letter from Mr. Bernard Wall published by you in May 1934. I do not think making homosexuality a crime serves any purpose except to relieve the vindictive feelings of people who have failed to understand the right principles of the criminal law. Homosexuality of adults with mutual consent is a private matter in which society has no legitimate interest. There is no better reason for punishing it than punishing extra-martial heterosexual intercourse. Most Continental countries recognize this, and I earnestly hope that the English law may before long become equally humane" Yours faithfully, Bertrand Russell 41 Queen's Road, Richmond, Surrey. May 15, 1934. "Homosexuality between men, though not between women, is illegal in England, and it would be very difficult to present any argument for change of the law in this respect which would not itself be illegal on the ground of obscenity. And yet every person who has taken the trouble to study the subject knows that this law is the effect of a barbarous and ignorant superstition, in favor of which no rational argument of any sort or kind can be advanced."
I love how Trent makes the guest feel so at ease with his smile and witty banter as he systematically takes apart his heresies. Great stuff. Apologetics at its best.
The whole point of apologetics is to bring people closer to the truth. Trent understands this. That is why he is not arrogant, rude and condescending. He isn't interested in ego, only in truth. He listens and responds. I hope we can all learn to defend the faith in this way.
77PhoenixFire77 exactly right. I was about to comment the exact same thing myself. This interview is a master class in defending the traditional faith.
This is such a great point that you raise! I feel many ppl get lost in the "my relationship with others", so much so that they compromise their relationship with God. It seems like progressive Christianity is built on that very thing.
Daniel Embree I believe that polygamy was acceptable in ancient times as a means of proliferation. Back when living even to 30 wasn't a guarantee, and infant mortality was high, polygamy seems to make sense especially when population numbers are dangerously low. I could be wrong, but this is a defense to polygamy I've heard before
Radio Rain yeah I’m totally confused Made a couple more things that make me take a double take actually many things well shaking my head this is me shaking my head
Wow I never realized that Trent is younger than me. So weird getting older and looking up to people my junior lol. Edit: acutally it appears he might be slightly older than me. Can't find his actualy birthday but he was 29 in january of 2014 according to one article I found.
The fact that I have a weakness does not make me right. The fact that it is hard and so I give in, that does not make it right. The Christian choice is to accept that I have sinned and each day pray and work to do better. No pleasurable sin is easy to overcome, therefore, my kind advice is please don't give up trying to overcome any sin. Fall as many times as you can, but don't give up. And please love ones, let recognize the efforts people put to overcome a weakness and be supportive. Without kindness and support, we push more people to this state of convincing themselves it is not a sin.
Amen! We have to remember that God loves each and everyone of us with an infinite love. We need to help these people to find the FULL life that God intends for them. He does NOT want them to have miserable lives where they feel they can’t live out their identity, or where they live with a constant shame. Rather, He wants them to understand that as Christians we are not identified by who we are attracted to, but rather by our elevation to becoming sons and daughters of God. We all have our crosses to bear. We need to respect that the cross is different for each one of us - but encourage each other in love and fellowship to persist to the end.
Amen! What matters is what you do with these temptations, do you choose to give in and act on the thoughts or not? I went to a pride event once and the person who told me this was literally a bisexual woman who converted to Christianity. I was starting to think gay marriage was ok, but not anymore! Clearly some people in LGBTQ+ understand that The Bible is right! :D
This guy's argument is "if I don't think it's a sin, then it's not a sin." I bet he's pro choice, but only up to some arbitrary line, that he's come up with, the same way he has up with arbitrary lines for his own interpretation of sin.
He literally said his book is his interpretation of theology, just like the Catechism is the theology of the Catholic church.. he really compared his book to the Catechism 😁 praying for the guy..
do you understand how common miscarriage is? If you judge women for having abortions, you should also judge God for causing 'natural' abortions on a much larger scale.
Guess what? Doesn’t matter how smart you think you are, or how educated you think you are, or how many degrees you have, or how many books you’ve written, you still can’t change God’s word! 🙏🏾
@@mimirydblom3133 that's the best thing about Trent. He keeps the dignity of the conversation while making his point, but I had to stop the video several times and yell at the guy when he was wrong! That's why its Trent there and not me! 😁
@J Lo I feel like you don’t know what the Magisterium is. And corruptible men of the church has indeed committed great acts of evil. Although so has practically every other society, culture, religion, etc. so I’m not exactly sure what your point is.
This guy is simply looking for a way to remain a Christian and validate his own homosexuality. Christianity and homosexual acts are simply not compatible and this guy clearly illustrates this. Trent exhibited far more patience than I could possibly muster.
so long as This guy is not simply looking for a way to remain a Christian and validate his own homophobia as most do. Christianity and homophobic acts are simply not compatible and you clearly illustrates this.
@@pastorbri As long as you recognize that teaching that homosexual behavior is wrong is not the same as homophobia. It is wrong to mistreat them, and to persecute them and do violence against them. But it is also wrong to tell them "I'm OK you're OK" and pretend that what they are doing is not sinful. Truth and love.
@@agentjs09 WRONG!!!! As long as you recognize that teaching that homophobic behavior is wrong is not the same as hating bigots. It is wrong to mistreat homophobics, and to persecute them and do violence against them. But it is also wrong to tell them "I'm OK you're OK" and pretend that what they are doing is not sinful. Truth and love. THATS the reality here.
I don't know why but Proverbs 14:12 kept echoing in my head while I listened to the discussion. "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." Proverb 14:12
The longer I listen to this, the more off the rails this guy goes. And maybe that's what makes Trent such a good debater - he is able to force out these wacky implications that come along with flawed lines of thinking
Former Protestant became a Byzantine Catholic here as well. That’s what I found wrong with Protestantism, you could just get a Bible and interpret it how you want. I know the Catholic Church is not perfect but their theology along with the Eastern Orthodox seems to be sound along with their teachings continuity. Hope many Protestants see this and learn. God bless y’all.
I am a Holy Roman Cathoilc, I am a convert it's been 3yrs. now. What are the similarities of a Byzantine Catholic Church verses a Roman Cathoilc Church?
lucy griffin hello. The doctrines are similar, to me personally it’s just they explain a couple doctrines a little different, babies can receive communion, the priest can be married, and it’s a little more ritualistic. All and all I would say they are the same and the differences are small and insignificant. I would highly recommend going to a Byzantine Divine Liturgy one day tho. We can receive communion from each other. Hope this helps Lucy! God bless.
I'd say there's one major point of difference between Orthodox and Catholics, and I must admit its large enough to justify a schism. And that is on whether or not Jesus Christ died for our sins.
Second Commandment - Don't take the Lord's name in vain. Don't call yourself Christian and firmly affirm anti-Christian values. If you're gonna teach people to love God, you have to teach what God teaches. You can overcome your sin with the Lord, Brandon, don't let your sin overcome the Lord.
An excellent example of someone who has loved his sin more than God; then must use mental gymnastics to soothe their conscience. "Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi" disordered life, disordered reasoning, disordered beliefs. Listening to this 'pastor' Brendan is like listening to a child caught doing something clearly wrong but trying to talk their way out of it.
@@bryentd2461 so because he came to a different conclusion than you, he's a false teacher? Couldn't anyone say the same thing about you if they don't agree with you?
@@zeroisnine but what if you are wrong, and he’s in the right, but you’re too arrogant to ever consider that you might be wrong? That’s the issue here. It isn’t as simple as “teaching falsehoods” when there are hundreds of thousands of Christian denominations. It could be a simple case of you just don’t agree, which is fine, that happens, but I think it’s incredibly ridiculous that there’s only one way of thinking which just so happens to be yours, and all of the hundreds of other denominations are therefore false teachers
I agree because I know what you mean, but it would've been worse if he said "I feel like" - that's what the young people in general, especially progressives, say. They don't even think, just feel, feel, feel...
I remember when I used to go to such extreme lengths to convolute scripture, condemn the Church for it's teachings and excuse my sinfulness. It was exhausting.
@@mercenaryknight5419 the context is extremely usefull and important. But normally its utility is optimized when harmonizing apparent contradictions in the scripture. In this case, he uses context to support his own distortion of ALL biblical passages.
True that. Thanks be to God for his everlasting mercy. Romans 14:11, It is written: " As surely as I live, says the Lord God, " every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God."
Guy has faith. Falls in love with his sin. Loses faith. Adjusts his worldview to allow him to keep his sin, and adjust his faith to validate his sin. I feel like I've heard this story before
Im glad that Trent and Brandon are having a respectful discussion regarding this hard topic, but I do have to admit it is dufficult hearing how teachings of the Bible and Church are just being interpretated as one sees fit.
it is sad but you have to realize that lgb people who want to accept god's truth struggle with having such a fundamental part of them rejected. it's sad but you have to realize it makes sense why they would do it. all the more reason we must correct sternly but with compassion
I wish someone would ask the Fr James Martins & the Brandon Roberts why they chose to go into ministry & why be Christians since they hate so many Christian teachings. I just don't understand it.
The name “Progressive” takes on an ironic message. The gospel is inherently inclusive, the “come as you are.” But Progressives seem to leave it there (“stay as you are”) and discard the “born-again” transformational power of the Father’s grace, the Son’s righteousness, and the Holy Spirit’s conviction.
samugote That’s simples calumny, heretic. I was offended by Pachamama coming inside a Catholic temple, but that terrible idol (which is pretty much a demon) wasn’t worshiped. Besides, they were the modernists trying their best to make ecumenically and politically “correct” moves. But what you said is simple calumny, so common to pharisees and... protestants.
stresser 123 Yes, it was on the context of the Amazon Synod, with groups of native (south) american indian people, representing their culture. But to say it waa worshiped there is plain calumny. And yes, I thought it was terrible to make those ecumenical moves. Those bishops were flerting with mordernism heresy all over the place.
stresser 123 Yep, my friend. The devil will always spread confusion inside God’s true kingdom. Tares amongst the wheat, do you remember the parabole? But when everybody was simply stating that the Amazon synod was going to approve female ordanation or abolish celibacy in the West, the Pope reafirmed the Sacred Doctrine and frustrated the plans of the heretics (even though in particular celibacy isn’t a matter of doctrine of faith, instead of eclesiastical discipline). That’s pretty much the “petrine charisma”: not that good people personally will ever mantain the integrity of the “depositum fidei”, but that God will mantain it under Saint Peter’s office, whose faith will never FAIL (Lk 22, 33), so that the Petrine authority - not the person occupying the “cathedra” - will be the signal of the unity and catholicity of the CHURCH of God. He is the ONLY pastor of the Universal church (John 21, 15-19), under whom the Church was built (Matthew 16, 16-18). Jesus is the constructor in this passage, of course, not the solipsistic “rock”, as fundamentalist try to depict it. That petrine mystery is not to signify that we will always have good Popes, but that we will always have the true infallible doctrine in spite of bad or even sinful Popes, on the guidance of the Holy Spirit (John 16, 12-14). That’s how we feel, my friend. That’s what God the Son promised to us. Not anarchy. Jesus Christ our Lord didn’t give us a book or told his apostles or disciples to write one single word. But he BUILT a Church. Read the Bible, my friend.
I love watching Trent...you can see him listening very intently...he is completely setting the scene with important, relevant questions...totally respectful and patient...and then he does what he does best...with truth...not his own opinion!
Well it appears Brandon is not able to throw heresy around Trent without being corrected right quickly. Brandon knows what he is saying is not biblical. I am sure we would see him blush if we were present. How quickly Brandon goes to his notes when the previous false statement of his falls flat. This is the Word of God Brandon is playing with. This is serious
2Tim. 4.3: "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry."
Calling him crazy isn’t nice. He’s got reasoning behind his arguments and even though we see it differently, he isn’t dumb or crazy. He just holds to a different view from ours and even though I believe the Catholic view to be the absolute truth, I would still recognize that this guy has reasons to believe what he believes. Good reasons, bad reasons but reasons anyway. Crazy people just act crazy without a reason.
He is just another form of "Martin Luther". As "he sees it", as "he reads it." This is why we have the Magisterium, it is not as any one man sees it, but as God sees it.
@D.a.t. R.u Hey Mr. R.u Christ be with you The magisterium of the Catholic Church is the church's authority or office to give authentic interpretation of the Word of God, "whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition. God Bless you
Love the sinner and hate the sin. That does not mean to accept the sin; that does not mean to accept the lifestyle so as not to offend the person engaging in sin. Trent you have such grace, knowledge, and patience- you are amazing. This young man, although he seems genuinely sincere offering his understanding also appears to be searching just by the fact that he identifies as bi-sexual. He is young and prayfully I hope he receives the grace of conversion. Beautiful debate.
Amen! This is what I've been saying! We Christians love gay people, but we don't support them acting on their gay thoughts. It's not homophobic to not support gay marriage!
I became a Catholic nearly a year ago. Best decision of my life, I read everything I could, listened to every podcast, and listened to the bible in a year. After 5 years of church and research I made the choice that Jesus was my lord and saviour. Still far from perfect, but I work on it everyday. The best thing anyone can do is read the bible, even after confirmation I thought I new god. I was wrong, people would have you believe the New Testament only forbids homosexuality once, and will even say it translates as men shall not lie with boy. But there are many examples Romans being a big one. Read the bible, follow tradition, become Catholic. God bless
@CALEB ALVAREZ This to be fair I used to repeat this exageration but Trent had a correction on this in a video where he was rebutting Sola Scriptura. That said there are a ton of protestant denominations or at least differing theologies now owing to the idea of Sola Scriptura.
As an Anglican, I can confirm that this whole issue is not because of protestantism. Woke "Christians" are everywhere. In fact, I know more Catholics who support LGBTQ+ and ignore The Bible than protestants. We all as Christians must stay strong and not let the woke people destroy us.
Wow. 1:42:05 Mr. Robertson quickly backpedaled Fr. Martin's endorsement, realizing (as Trent did) that an endorsement of his obviously heretical ideas would not be a good look for someone who claims to always be within bounds of official Church teaching. Very telling moment at the tail end of a wonderfully insightful dialogue. Bravo, Mr. Horn! May you continue to cooperate with God's abundant graces, and this cooperation continue to bear such good fruit.
Wow... “I think, I think, I think” Thank you Trent, you did a outstanding job, very respectful, but you have really helped me move forward with coming into full communion with the Church.
@@your_catholic_guy3604 I'm pretty sure SSA means same sex attraction. And in this case he means loving place as in most respecting, not supporting too if that's your next question.
Absolutely. I just listened to a great interview with Christopher West on Pints with Aquinas, and they talked about how marriage is a cross of suffering to bring us to Christ. It's beautiful and good, but holds great pain to be transformed in Christ
WOW, this young guy is interpreted the bible to suit his arguments. He is totally confused with every question. I hope one day he will see God’s light. He is living totally in darkness
Maybe I should commit adultery because "it works for me" I am sure Jesus and my husband won't mind. If you disagree you are adulterphobes. Stop oppressing me with your faithfulness!
A very slippery slope....First homosexual behavior is ok, then poliamory too, after he cannot even define what friendship is or if it's even a thing and at then the Bible has errors and cannot be trusted. What's next? Trent, I'm amazed about your knowledge and your calm during these conversations. God bless you!
From a sermon or something from him: the devil told the truth and apparently (not sure if he said that) God lied.... And somehow the God from the old testament seems to be... Different from the new testament with Jesus...
Do these Christians not understand the variety of sin. We teach the truth. Not everyone or even some are perfect. We all sin. We all carry our cross and try harder. No one is perfect. Accepting their sin doesn’t make it ok. I personally have horrible sins I regret. I have to live with that. It reminds me to make better decisions. It reminds me how much I need to hear the truth.
If you don't live what you believe, you end up believing what you live. I think Roberton verifies that. He has low key rather made a better case for relativism than homosexuality. Life according to his "theological views " will be chaotic. Noone knows what s truly right, no one can tell anyone what s right, we all are not sure, just do what you wanna do to the best of your understanding.Then Jesus teaching ministry was really a big failure. But we know that s not how the world we are in functions and should function.
This "Pastor" is all about Relativism, how "I Feel", "MY Opinion", "MY", "I believe Myself to be".....all you need to know about this heretic... SMH...dude, you can't rewrite the law based on your "feelings".
This pastor has adjusted his thinking to make everything easy for himself. Do as you will and still get into heaven. What happened to suffering here on earth to get to heaven?!
Yeah. Esp. because Jesus said "for many" and not "for all". Honestly, I'm confused where he gets those views, I mean, I'm sure the bible says something different on more than one verse. Sad if that can do more harm than good. I wouldn't want to be the one that lives in the lie to go to heaven my whole life and then die and not because I did no Lt believe in Jesus, not Form a relationship or something... :/ I wonder how he defends his view 🤔 I've seen the genesis one and that was... Strange...
@@intedominesperavi6036 Check out flat earth moon and sun and zodiac youtube channel. In reality earth is stationary plane not a planet with a firmament aka dome above us, outer space is a hoax.
I know this was already mentioned before but Trent Horn did a great job in this debate. Not only in defending dogma and doctrine, but also listening patiently to Brandan Robertson and being humble.
This is how debate should be. Well done to both. Clearly very different points of view but done disagreement in love and charity. Praise and Glory to Jesus Christ.
Saved from what? From what your supposed "god" is going to do to him if he doesn't want a relationship with him? Absolutely stupid to believe in, and worship such an immoral thug as "god".
At the 23:00 point he states his rather arrogant view that the Catechism of the Catholic Church (2000 years of teaching and tradition) has no more value/weight than his opinion (paraphrased). Over and over he says "I think..." "My understanding..." "The way I see it..." "My interpretation..." "I preach...." Sorry, I'll go with the Magisterium and 2000 years of tradition rather than relativism and "in today's culture." "Paul is a man of his times"???? so has no value today outside the "Greco-Roman culture" My brain hurts.
I'm 12 min into this, mainly because I very much admire the manner in which Trent debates those asleep (coma?) in Christ, but also in the hope that the guest might recognize the error of his ways - to put it mildly. The comments thus far strongly indicate that the latter might not be forthcoming...
What a nourishing discussion! I admire your preparation, in particular on chromosomal scenarios and on other scholars and publications, and your let's-hear-it-out approach. Lots to read-think about and follow up on.
I'd just like to thank you for this interview. This is the only interview I've found so far with Brandan where the interviewer hasn't interrupted him and talked over him, so we actually get to hear his stance. He's a prominent figure for those who share his views, so I wanted to hear what he had to say in a respectful setting where there's peaceful pushback and also acknowledgement of common ground. I see the love for Christ in him and, even if I don't agree with his points, it's so refreshing to see him treated with grace as a fellow human being. Thank you very much.
1:07:35 Even from a secular perspective, the purpose of sex is procreation. Why does sex feel good? Is it because some deity wanted primates to get some jollies every now and then just because that deity loves us? No, it's to incentivize behavior that will lead to reproduction, the goal of virtually every species on this planet. You can choose to not procreate while still having sex the same way you can choose to avoid decadent levels of fats, sugars and salt while still nourishing yourself. Fats, sugars, and salt generally feel good to consume because they indicate a high source of calories, useful for survival, yet there are people who choose not to lean into these pleasures in favor of some other priority. Some people do the opposite and consume much more of these foods than is necessary for nourishment. I am equating the desire and appreciation of calorie-rich foods usually bolstered by fat, sugar and salt, with the desire for sex. You can survive without either, but most people experience a drive towards them and derive pleasure from them for an evolutionary reason. The evolutionary reason for the former is that the availability of such foods best ensures our continued survival. The evolutionary reason for the latter is to avoid the cessation of what has obviously and evidently been an unbroken chain of ancestral life that has culminated in you.
If you take it to the extreme, it becomes clear. Let's say you take a person that was born being attracted to children, but has never acted on it. Let's say that person would be more likely to become depressed and suicidal if you told them their natural desires would be a sin to act on and they should not. Does that mean its bad to discourage their natural behavior becuae they might become depressed? No, you just tell them the truth and encourage them that Jesus will enable them to accomplish holiness.
This is absolutely true. I experience those sorts of attractions and have interacted with many others who do as well. It is simply the case that those who are "anti-contact," who hold it would always be wrong to act on their attractions with a child, have a greater propensity to depression and suicidality than those who are "pro-contact," who hold that there is at least some circumstance where it would be fine to act on their attractions with a child. I think it's pretty simple to understand why it works out like this. If you think your attractions are fine and can be fine to act on, why get upset about having them? Someone who is pro-contact basically has the eschatological hope of sex and sexual relationship with children in a future utopia. There isn't the same for someone who is anti-contact.
This "Pastor" thinks if he twists the law of God enough, it just magically becomes reality; explains so much about progressivism and relativism in general. God's LAW cannot be rewritten because you "feel" it's supposed to be.
I might send this to my lesbian woke feminist genderfluid Californian men-hating atheist friend, lol. Idk if I will send this to her, but if I do oh boy she will get mad. XDXD
Hey Miss Rea-Cambell peace of Christ be with you Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him. (Heb 5:8-9) what are we meant to obey Pastor Brandan Robertson May call himself Christian but I don't really think he is. God bless you
As I watched this i could not help but think anyone with a sexual obsession will never be free of it until true repentance in the Sacrament is done of the first instance of the sin. I can say this because i was a sex addict and struggled for 15 years with going to confession weekly for those years. It wasn't until i confessed the earliest memory and asked Christ through the priest as if I was talking to Christ said i was sorry and asked him to take this addiction away that he finally did. I have been given the grace and am 1 year free with ease as if i am a child again. I was thinking did he ever repent his desires? Later watching i realized he did not. I pray he repents and becomes free by Gods grace.
Trent, you answered my question on CA about 2 years ago, read one of your books, and I am avidly studying your apologetics' method. The only disadvantage I can see is it depends upon an encyclopedic memory-- I have to "cheat" with my journal book of apologetics. I especially like your "steel man" approach. Keep up the good work.
Declaring evil as good is what the bible is already trying to do: Fir example to claim that god promised the Hebrews a land that is owned by another people, then they also claim their god ordered them to eli mina te the other people (because they prey to the "wrong" gods, lol) that the Hebrews can life there on their own. Great strategy.
There is right and wrong. We need to love and be there for everyone who battles with sin. Walking on egg shells and trying to find the right words that are not going to offend the person is just a bit too much. If you are an alcoholic, well, you are an alcoholic, there is no other way around it. You have a drinking problem...etc. There must be love, honesty, and a seriousness to the tone of voice when speaking to the person.
When boiled down, the first part/point of his thesis is that Christians telling him the truth hurts his feelings ("psychological harm") and therefor those truths must be wrong. His second point is basically, "Revisions are good because they affirm my position and bend the truth for me." And lastly he is simply saying, "We are moving away from the patriarchy because Jesus talked to sinners..." Which is a very theologically shallow view that doesn't recognize Christ as the head patriarch (New Adam) nor the fact Jesus brought the uncomfortable truth to those sinners but loved them anyways and for that they followed and respected him. He did not bend the truth or change the truth for those sinners to make them feel better or OK their sins.
What a respectful interview! I saw the debate with Brandan and 2 Protestants on Apologia studios , and all throughout the hour , it was confrontational and tense. Trent did an amazing job in debating and inquiring Brandans view points! I pray that Brandan have a conversion of heart and spirit
Firstly, we are all sinners (i.e. have lied, stolen etc). As with these sins, the Bible clearly states homosexuality is a sin. If you take your sin (i.e. a homosexual) and then use it to 'identify' who you are than how can that be right? We are all called to repentance and not stay in the same state. If I was a former drug user, adulterer etc then now call myself a Christian but fall back and continue in my sins then I am a hypocrite. It's like when Jesus said "you honor me with your lips but their hearts are far from me". We cannot compromise with sin, we must forsake it (go to confession etc) and repent and trust in Jesus.
And this is why we don't let people interpret scripture by themselves.
The church follow Jesus Christ.
It’s so frustrating. They use a single bible verse to support any view. Protestants really rely on the Old Testament. Which is the old covenant. It makes zero sense.
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Hey Mr. Life
Christ be with you
I have found usually protestants do not steer far from St Paul's teaching (2 Peter 3:15-16)
I think Mr. Robertson view is a long way from St Paul's on this subject he has had to look further afield.
It more if you hold your mouth like this and really squint this is what scripture means even though thats not what it says.
God bless you
@Crazy life They really on their own interpretation. They don’t follow old and New Testament. That’s why you see all this denominations among themselves
@@joanofarc6402 Try telling that to the early Church that had NO new testament until centuries later. They used the "Old Testament" to prove that Jesus was and is the Mesiah. Not to mention that ALL the early church consisted of Jews and again the Old Testament was what led them to realize who the Mesiah was.
“I’m not a scholar on divorce and remarriage” - the most accurate thing he said the entire time.
Bertrand Russell
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Bertrand Russell writes in support of the decriminalization of homosexuality.
"Sir, -I wish to express my very complete agreement with the letter from Mr. Bernard Wall published by you in May 1934. I do not think making homosexuality a crime serves any purpose except to relieve the vindictive feelings of people who have failed to understand the right principles of the criminal law. Homosexuality of adults with mutual consent is a private matter in which society has no legitimate interest. There is no better reason for punishing it than punishing extra-martial heterosexual intercourse. Most Continental countries recognize this, and I earnestly hope that the English law may before long become equally humane"
Yours faithfully, Bertrand Russell
41 Queen's Road, Richmond, Surrey. May 15, 1934.
"Homosexuality between men, though not between women, is illegal in England, and it would be very difficult to present any argument for change of the law in this respect which would not itself be illegal on the ground of obscenity. And yet every person who has taken the trouble to study the subject knows that this law is the effect of a barbarous and ignorant superstition, in favor of which no rational argument of any sort or kind can be advanced."
that is because he would consider himself a queer theology scholar
... nor on the Bible
Trent, you showed saintly level patience and charity during this discussion.
Tony Rodriguez amen to that!
True - but we are all called to be saints, so we need to be sincerely charitable like this too.
Amen!
The only thing Trent shows is that he is deeply brainwashed.
@@3tmslmnyou literally just go around making baseless claims in every comment section, parroting lame atheist retorts. Who's the brainwashed one?
I love how Trent makes the guest feel so at ease with his smile and witty banter as he systematically takes apart his heresies. Great stuff. Apologetics at its best.
The whole point of apologetics is to bring people closer to the truth. Trent understands this. That is why he is not arrogant, rude and condescending. He isn't interested in ego, only in truth. He listens and responds. I hope we can all learn to defend the faith in this way.
I give him credit. I would've called him out so really for the lunacy of his philosophy.
77PhoenixFire77 exactly right. I was about to comment the exact same thing myself. This interview is a master class in defending the traditional faith.
agentjs09 very true. Trent Horn is basically the exact opposite of James White.
Stop being a brony
One thing this young man is forgetting is that our relationship with God is more important than our relationship with eachother
Gerard many fall away thanks to this exact problem. The “otherness” of actually following Christ.
This is such a great point that you raise! I feel many ppl get lost in the "my relationship with others", so much so that they compromise their relationship with God. It seems like progressive Christianity is built on that very thing.
thanks for showing that,at heart, Christianity is a selfish religion.
@@bengreen171
What do you mean by that?
@@gerard1867
still in deep reflection? I hope so.
Anybody else do a double take when the guest said he isn't convinced that polygamy is morally wrong?
@Daniel Embree Oh yeah! Now that you mention it, I guess that makes it okay! I guess I forgot that they lived perfect lives!
Daniel Embree I believe that polygamy was acceptable in ancient times as a means of proliferation. Back when living even to 30 wasn't a guarantee, and infant mortality was high, polygamy seems to make sense especially when population numbers are dangerously low. I could be wrong, but this is a defense to polygamy I've heard before
@Daniel Embree and scripture records the problems, issues, and broken familias that resulted.
Not Cain, but Cain’s descendent, Lamech.
Radio Rain yeah I’m totally confused Made a couple more things that make me take a double take actually many things well shaking my head this is me shaking my head
Trent is an absolute legend for only being 34 and being this well accomplished
Wow I never realized that Trent is younger than me. So weird getting older and looking up to people my junior lol. Edit: acutally it appears he might be slightly older than me. Can't find his actualy birthday but he was 29 in january of 2014 according to one article I found.
How man of these years has trent been out of the closet, he has a kind of camp voice but I imagine he wasnt always out.
Trent did his homework. Every book Brandan brought up to support his position, Brent could also quote from and counter.
Joe Nenninger amazing isn’t it!!! Praise God!!!
Brent really knows what he's saying. Even more than Kent.
@@TheWorldsStage Got me ;-) T rent
The fact that I have a weakness does not make me right. The fact that it is hard and so I give in, that does not make it right. The Christian choice is to accept that I have sinned and each day pray and work to do better. No pleasurable sin is easy to overcome, therefore, my kind advice is please don't give up trying to overcome any sin. Fall as many times as you can, but don't give up. And please love ones, let recognize the efforts people put to overcome a weakness and be supportive. Without kindness and support, we push more people to this state of convincing themselves it is not a sin.
Amen! We have to remember that God loves each and everyone of us with an infinite love. We need to help these people to find the FULL life that God intends for them. He does NOT want them to have miserable lives where they feel they can’t live out their identity, or where they live with a constant shame. Rather, He wants them to understand that as Christians we are not identified by who we are attracted to, but rather by our elevation to becoming sons and daughters of God. We all have our crosses to bear. We need to respect that the cross is different for each one of us - but encourage each other in love and fellowship to persist to the end.
A saint is a sinner who refuses to give up
Amen! What matters is what you do with these temptations, do you choose to give in and act on the thoughts or not?
I went to a pride event once and the person who told me this was literally a bisexual woman who converted to Christianity. I was starting to think gay marriage was ok, but not anymore! Clearly some people in LGBTQ+ understand that The Bible is right! :D
Such valid advise
This guy's argument is "if I don't think it's a sin, then it's not a sin." I bet he's pro choice, but only up to some arbitrary line, that he's come up with, the same way he has up with arbitrary lines for his own interpretation of sin.
He literally said his book is his interpretation of theology, just like the Catechism is the theology of the Catholic church.. he really compared his book to the Catechism 😁 praying for the guy..
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do you understand how common miscarriage is? If you judge women for having abortions, you should also judge God for causing 'natural' abortions on a much larger scale.
@@bengreen171 You can't compare misscariage to abortion. One is an accident and the other is termination of life for convenience.
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well?
Guess what? Doesn’t matter how smart you think you are, or how educated you think you are, or how many degrees you have, or how many books you’ve written, you still can’t change God’s word! 🙏🏾
Amen!!!
Well said
Sure you can, king James did it
@@vincentranger09 you failed to understand the comment lol
@@therealal1713 then enlighten me
Add this to the list of reasons I'm becoming Catholic next Easter.
Congratulations, God's Grace
@Daniel Embree I'm not interested in Talmud.
Yay! I'm glad. 😊🥳
Welcome T.R.!!!
This comment made me laugh heartily, and rejoice encouragingly at the same time. Welcome home.
Love Trent. If anyone can approach this in a respectful, informed way its him.
Elspeth Silverstar love Trent too😌but no way could I have NOT POUNCED🤷🏼♀️
@@mimirydblom3133 that's the best thing about Trent. He keeps the dignity of the conversation while making his point, but I had to stop the video several times and yell at the guy when he was wrong! That's why its Trent there and not me! 😁
Elspeth Silverstar you mean US🤣🤷🏼♀️🙋🏼♀️💜🙏
He is sooooo loving! This is a person that I would love to have as a friend in life! Telling the truth in love!!!
Jimmy Akin is the same way.
This is the result of having no infallible interpreter of Scripture.
Lori Hoard they actually like it this way
Orthodoxy does better than Pope Francis lol
@@andrew2715 Pope Francis is not the infallible interpreter of Scripture.
@@joemen3332 exactly. The Magisterium of the church, guided by the Holy Ghost, interprets the scripture
@J Lo I feel like you don’t know what the Magisterium is. And corruptible men of the church has indeed committed great acts of evil. Although so has practically every other society, culture, religion, etc. so I’m not exactly sure what your point is.
This guy is simply looking for a way to remain a Christian and validate his own homosexuality. Christianity and homosexual acts are simply not compatible and this guy clearly illustrates this. Trent exhibited far more patience than I could possibly muster.
so long as This guy is not simply looking for a way to remain a Christian and validate his own homophobia as most do. Christianity and homophobic acts are simply not compatible and you clearly illustrates this.
@@pastorbri As long as you recognize that teaching that homosexual behavior is wrong is not the same as homophobia. It is wrong to mistreat them, and to persecute them and do violence against them. But it is also wrong to tell them "I'm OK you're OK" and pretend that what they are doing is not sinful. Truth and love.
@@agentjs09 WRONG!!!! As long as you recognize that teaching that homophobic behavior is wrong is not the same as hating bigots. It is wrong to mistreat homophobics, and to persecute them and do violence against them. But it is also wrong to tell them "I'm OK you're OK" and pretend that what they are doing is not sinful. Truth and love. THATS the reality here.
@Qwerty Any church, not just the catholic church needs to know homosexuality is not a sin, it never was so never will be.
@@pastorbri read your Bible, pastor.
I don't know why but Proverbs 14:12 kept echoing in my head while I listened to the discussion.
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." Proverb 14:12
Wow very pertinent
“IN MY THEOLOGICAL VIEW”. “Pastor”, I’ve got news for you, Satan tempted Jesus with “HIS THEOLOGICAL VIEW”.
atgred that’s right!
I can't even call him a pastor
Trent is great and all but don’t be comparing him to Jesus bro
The longer I listen to this, the more off the rails this guy goes. And maybe that's what makes Trent such a good debater - he is able to force out these wacky implications that come along with flawed lines of thinking
Good point.
Former Protestant became a Byzantine Catholic here as well. That’s what I found wrong with Protestantism, you could just get a Bible and interpret it how you want. I know the Catholic Church is not perfect but their theology along with the Eastern Orthodox seems to be sound along with their teachings continuity. Hope many Protestants see this and learn. God bless y’all.
I am a Holy Roman Cathoilc, I am a convert it's been 3yrs. now. What are the similarities of a Byzantine Catholic Church verses a Roman Cathoilc Church?
lucy griffin hello. The doctrines are similar, to me personally it’s just they explain a couple doctrines a little different, babies can receive communion, the priest can be married, and it’s a little more ritualistic. All and all I would say they are the same and the differences are small and insignificant. I would highly recommend going to a Byzantine Divine Liturgy one day tho. We can receive communion from each other. Hope this helps Lucy! God bless.
@@TonyEspana182 Yes it does, thank you for responding to my comment and blessings to you and yours.
lucy griffin you’re welcome
I'd say there's one major point of difference between Orthodox and Catholics, and I must admit its large enough to justify a schism. And that is on whether or not Jesus Christ died for our sins.
Second Commandment - Don't take the Lord's name in vain.
Don't call yourself Christian and firmly affirm anti-Christian values.
If you're gonna teach people to love God, you have to teach what God teaches.
You can overcome your sin with the Lord, Brandon, don't let your sin overcome the Lord.
Exactly! Why call yourself a Christian when you clearly are practicing a totally unique and different faith?
Awesome comment brother!
An excellent example of someone who has loved his sin more than God; then must use mental gymnastics to soothe their conscience. "Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi" disordered life, disordered reasoning, disordered beliefs. Listening to this 'pastor' Brendan is like listening to a child caught doing something clearly wrong but trying to talk their way out of it.
😂 I had the exact same impression... His arguments and reasoning are almost childlike (teenage-ish at most)...
Trent is really smart, reasonable and charitable man.
When I hear Trent say, "so for example," my heart sings. I know I'm about to hear a brilliant analogy.
Just realized how often he uses that phrase
Notice how Brandan kept saying “how I interpret scripture” it’s crazy.
Protestantism.
@@stevedoetsch we prots don't accept his views. We call him a false teacher
@@bryentd2461 so because he came to a different conclusion than you, he's a false teacher? Couldn't anyone say the same thing about you if they don't agree with you?
@@gabethyrubenstein7984 yes, that's what someone who teaches falsehoods is.
@@zeroisnine but what if you are wrong, and he’s in the right, but you’re too arrogant to ever consider that you might be wrong? That’s the issue here. It isn’t as simple as “teaching falsehoods” when there are hundreds of thousands of Christian denominations. It could be a simple case of you just don’t agree, which is fine, that happens, but I think it’s incredibly ridiculous that there’s only one way of thinking which just so happens to be yours, and all of the hundreds of other denominations are therefore false teachers
Whoa! The amount of times he says “i think” is incredible. We must all pray for him.
Progressive Christians tend to do that, I’ve noticed.
I would steer away from this criticism. I disagree with him on about everything he says on theology, but he's just being humble about his views.
Certitude is the opposite of humility
I agree because I know what you mean, but it would've been worse if he said "I feel like" - that's what the young people in general, especially progressives, say. They don't even think, just feel, feel, feel...
Yeah, religions won't stand for any of that "thinkin" nonsense. Critical thinking is the death knell for belief in "god".
I remember when I used to go to such extreme lengths to convolute scripture, condemn the Church for it's teachings and excuse my sinfulness. It was exhausting.
So cultural context of the Bible does not matter?
@@mercenaryknight5419 the context is extremely usefull and important. But normally its utility is optimized when harmonizing apparent contradictions in the scripture. In this case, he uses context to support his own distortion of ALL biblical passages.
“MAN’S LAWS CANNOT MAKE MORAL, WHAT GOD HAS DECLARED IMMORAL. EVEN IF A SIN IS LEGALIZED, IT’S STILL A SIN IN THE EYES OF GOD.”
true as homophobia use to be legal after all.
AMEN ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT LONG🙌
Tess Chavit amen.
True that. Thanks be to God for his everlasting mercy. Romans 14:11, It is written: " As surely as I live, says the Lord God, " every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God."
Amen!
Guy has faith.
Falls in love with his sin.
Loses faith.
Adjusts his worldview to allow him to keep his sin, and adjust his faith to validate his sin.
I feel like I've heard this story before
...then teaches he knows better than Jesus Christ Himself. Yeah, it's called being a CULT LEADER. 😑 Which is why I'm neither Mormon nor Muslim.
Im glad that Trent and Brandon are having a respectful discussion regarding this hard topic, but I do have to admit it is dufficult hearing how teachings of the Bible and Church are just being interpretated as one sees fit.
That’s failure of Protestantism it focuses on self interpretation of scripture which is counterintuitive and self defeating.
it is sad but you have to realize that lgb people who want to accept god's truth struggle with having such a fundamental part of them rejected. it's sad but you have to realize it makes sense why they would do it. all the more reason we must correct sternly but with compassion
The conversation where faithful Protestants wanted Trent Horn to have the upper hand!!
Although I disagree with his points I appreciate that Brandon took the effort to accept this invitation and i felt he had a positive demeanor.
True. Hopefully as James 5:19-20 says Trent will be able to bring him back
Agreed! He was very calm and civil!
Well he knew it would y be as bad as the Calvinist’s on Apologia.
That's bc he's a salesman (I use a polite, neutral word altho' it diminishes the full connotation of meaning & denotation of fact). 😮💨
“My good friend Fr. James Martin...”
Of course.
Bingo. The shot caller.
Martin needs to be rebuked, and if recalcitrant, laicized.
Matthew Schnekenburger DID TRENT SAY THAT??
@@DanielMaloneJr I think the pastor said that..
I wish someone would ask the Fr James Martins & the Brandon Roberts why they chose to go into ministry & why be Christians since they hate so many Christian teachings. I just don't understand it.
Did he seriously compare a Mortal Sin to someone who was persecuted for their skin color?...and of course he's friends with Fr. Martin.
The name “Progressive” takes on an ironic message. The gospel is inherently inclusive, the “come as you are.” But Progressives seem to leave it there (“stay as you are”) and discard the “born-again” transformational power of the Father’s grace, the Son’s righteousness, and the Holy Spirit’s conviction.
"There's nothing objective called marriage that exists." - Brandan Robertson, "Christian pastor."
Relativism at its worst. If something doesn’t fit, deny it exists.
Please understand all scriptures are given by god it is god speaking through the authors it is not man word but god/ first we must understand this.
The Catholic Church teaches "objective truth" always.
Ahh protestantism, the breeding grounds for heresy.
Yup and I say that as a protestant
@@LogosTheos protestantism _is_ a heresy
samugote That’s simples calumny, heretic. I was offended by Pachamama coming inside a Catholic temple, but that terrible idol (which is pretty much a demon) wasn’t worshiped. Besides, they were the modernists trying their best to make ecumenically and politically “correct” moves. But what you said is simple calumny, so common to pharisees and... protestants.
stresser 123 Yes, it was on the context of the Amazon Synod, with groups of native (south) american indian people, representing their culture. But to say it waa worshiped there is plain calumny. And yes, I thought it was terrible to make those ecumenical moves. Those bishops were flerting with mordernism heresy all over the place.
stresser 123 Yep, my friend. The devil will always spread confusion inside God’s true kingdom. Tares amongst the wheat, do you remember the parabole?
But when everybody was simply stating that the Amazon synod was going to approve female ordanation or abolish celibacy in the West, the Pope reafirmed the Sacred Doctrine and frustrated the plans of the heretics (even though in particular celibacy isn’t a matter of doctrine of faith, instead of eclesiastical discipline). That’s pretty much the “petrine charisma”: not that good people personally will ever mantain the integrity of the “depositum fidei”, but that God will mantain it under Saint Peter’s office, whose faith will never FAIL (Lk 22, 33), so that the Petrine authority - not the person occupying the “cathedra” - will be the signal of the unity and catholicity of the CHURCH of God. He is the ONLY pastor of the Universal church (John 21, 15-19), under whom the Church was built (Matthew 16, 16-18). Jesus is the constructor in this passage, of course, not the solipsistic “rock”, as fundamentalist try to depict it.
That petrine mystery is not to signify that we will always have good Popes, but that we will always have the true infallible doctrine in spite of bad or even sinful Popes, on the guidance of the Holy Spirit (John 16, 12-14).
That’s how we feel, my friend. That’s what God the Son promised to us. Not anarchy. Jesus Christ our Lord didn’t give us a book or told his apostles or disciples to write one single word. But he BUILT a Church. Read the Bible, my friend.
I love watching Trent...you can see him listening very intently...he is completely setting the scene with important, relevant questions...totally respectful and patient...and then he does what he does best...with truth...not his own opinion!
Well it appears Brandon is not able to throw heresy around Trent without being corrected right quickly. Brandon knows what he is saying is not biblical. I am sure we would see him blush if we were present. How quickly Brandon goes to his notes when the previous false statement of his falls flat. This is the Word of God Brandon is playing with. This is serious
I feel sorry for this Brandon dude. He's deep in darkness. And is convinced he's the enlightened one.
whereas you're happy to be a bigot.
@@bengreen171 So your calling God a biggot ?
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I'm calling your God a bigot. If he condones slavery and mysogyny, and calls homosexuality a sin - he's a bigot.
@@bengreen171 Completely agree with you!
@Fax with Grizz Many people in my family love me, but they are bigots! Simples
2Tim. 4.3: "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry."
Mr Roberston is following his passions; not logic, science or faith.
Think about his poor followers
His intellect is darkened by sin, this is such a clear example of that.
It's called isogesis.
@@rushthezeppelin He has an intellect?
It’s amazing how easily one can contextualize Scripture out of all relevancy.
Man this guy is crazy. Scripture is clear on the matter.
Matthieu Lavagna, he IS super confused!!!
Calling him crazy isn’t nice. He’s got reasoning behind his arguments and even though we see it differently, he isn’t dumb or crazy. He just holds to a different view from ours and even though I believe the Catholic view to be the absolute truth, I would still recognize that this guy has reasons to believe what he believes. Good reasons, bad reasons but reasons anyway. Crazy people just act crazy without a reason.
But it's not.
@@darrenwithers3628 Romans Chapter 1.
@@DF_UniatePapist Yes. And 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, revelation 21:8
God bless you Mr. Trent
He is just another form of "Martin Luther". As "he sees it", as "he reads it." This is why we have the Magisterium, it is not as any one man sees it, but as God sees it.
At least Martin Luther didnt say that homosexuality is not a sin
bear yodbears today he likely would....
@D.a.t. R.u Google it
@D.a.t. R.u
Hey Mr. R.u
Christ be with you
The magisterium of the Catholic Church is the church's authority or office to give authentic interpretation of the Word of God, "whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition.
God Bless you
So your solution to this is just to listen to what the pope says? Or just listen to what some counsel or creed says?
Love the sinner and hate the sin. That does not mean to accept the sin; that does not mean to accept the lifestyle so as not to offend the person engaging in sin. Trent you have such grace, knowledge, and patience- you are amazing. This young man, although he seems genuinely sincere offering his understanding also appears to be searching just by the fact that he identifies as bi-sexual. He is young and prayfully I hope he receives the grace of conversion. Beautiful debate.
Sin is a man made concept. It's pure bullsh!t.
@@3tmslmn So there is no good or evil?
Amen! This is what I've been saying!
We Christians love gay people, but we don't support them acting on their gay thoughts. It's not homophobic to not support gay marriage!
I became a Catholic nearly a year ago. Best decision of my life, I read everything I could, listened to every podcast, and listened to the bible in a year. After 5 years of church and research I made the choice that Jesus was my lord and saviour. Still far from perfect, but I work on it everyday.
The best thing anyone can do is read the bible, even after confirmation I thought I new god. I was wrong, people would have you believe the New Testament only forbids homosexuality once, and will even say it translates as men shall not lie with boy. But there are many examples Romans being a big one. Read the bible, follow tradition, become Catholic. God bless
No. It’s a false religion.
This is why protestantism have 32 000 different churches
@CALEB ALVAREZ This to be fair I used to repeat this exageration but Trent had a correction on this in a video where he was rebutting Sola Scriptura. That said there are a ton of protestant denominations or at least differing theologies now owing to the idea of Sola Scriptura.
@CALEB ALVAREZ no its NOT
As an Anglican, I can confirm that this whole issue is not because of protestantism. Woke "Christians" are everywhere. In fact, I know more Catholics who support LGBTQ+ and ignore The Bible than protestants. We all as Christians must stay strong and not let the woke people destroy us.
Wow. 1:42:05 Mr. Robertson quickly backpedaled Fr. Martin's endorsement, realizing (as Trent did) that an endorsement of his obviously heretical ideas would not be a good look for someone who claims to always be within bounds of official Church teaching. Very telling moment at the tail end of a wonderfully insightful dialogue. Bravo, Mr. Horn! May you continue to cooperate with God's abundant graces, and this cooperation continue to bear such good fruit.
When things like "my truth", "it works for me" I just know a ton of bul***t are coming
so so true
Wow... “I think, I think, I think” Thank you Trent, you did a outstanding job, very respectful, but you have really helped me move forward with coming into full communion with the Church.
One of the reasons why the Catholic Church is the most loving place for SSA people
What does SSA mean? Just curious haha. God bless you!
@@your_catholic_guy3604 I'm pretty sure SSA means same sex attraction. And in this case he means loving place as in most respecting, not supporting too if that's your next question.
Trent's calm and eloquent delivery is inspiring 🙌
Thankyou Trent for bringing this discussion into the light. It reminds me that we cannot follow Jesus without embracing the cross...God bless
Absolutely. I just listened to a great interview with Christopher West on Pints with Aquinas, and they talked about how marriage is a cross of suffering to bring us to Christ. It's beautiful and good, but holds great pain to be transformed in Christ
WOW, this young guy is interpreted the bible to suit his arguments. He is totally confused with every question. I hope one day he will see God’s light. He is living totally in darkness
Maybe I should commit adultery because "it works for me" I am sure Jesus and my husband won't mind. If you disagree you are adulterphobes. Stop oppressing me with your faithfulness!
He's interpreting God to confirm himself in his sin. Most unfortunately, he pastors a Protestant denomination.
@@barbwellman6686 Yes. He's breaking the first commandment
Why can’t everybody have conversations like this?
Malayali :)
They destroy human unity.
I love it! We need to have more of these conversations.
A very slippery slope....First homosexual behavior is ok, then poliamory too, after he cannot even define what friendship is or if it's even a thing and at then the Bible has errors and cannot be trusted. What's next?
Trent, I'm amazed about your knowledge and your calm during these conversations. God bless you!
From a sermon or something from him: the devil told the truth and apparently (not sure if he said that) God lied.... And somehow the God from the old testament seems to be... Different from the new testament with Jesus...
It's called reality. Your "god" is a genocidal, immoral thug. Stupidity squared. Keep your delusions to yourself.
True!
Do these Christians not understand the variety of sin. We teach the truth. Not everyone or even some are perfect. We all sin. We all carry our cross and try harder. No one is perfect. Accepting their sin doesn’t make it ok. I personally have horrible sins I regret. I have to live with that. It reminds me to make better decisions. It reminds me how much I need to hear the truth.
If you don't live what you believe, you end up believing what you live. I think Roberton verifies that. He has low key rather made a better case for relativism than homosexuality. Life according to his "theological views " will be chaotic. Noone knows what s truly right, no one can tell anyone what s right, we all are not sure, just do what you wanna do to the best of your understanding.Then Jesus teaching ministry was really a big failure. But we know that s not how the world we are in functions and should function.
Exactly!
He can't admit he has a problem with this so he tries to make us see it as good. He won't face the sin! May God help him in this scandalous behaviour.
It's none of your invisible, unproven "god's" business what anyone does. You believe in nonsense, because you've been indoctrinated.
Thank you for a civil conversation. That alone is a great example for us. God bless you both.
Loving the respectful conversation here. Wish there was more of this.
This "Pastor" is all about Relativism, how "I Feel", "MY Opinion", "MY", "I believe Myself to be".....all you need to know about this heretic... SMH...dude, you can't rewrite the law based on your "feelings".
My summation of this conversation was ‘this guy is a relativists’
This is one of the wonderful results of modern relativist philosophy. Thank Hume, Descartes, Kantm, etc. for this insanity.
Agreed you are right. Insane.
This pastor has adjusted his thinking to make everything easy for himself. Do as you will and still get into heaven. What happened to suffering here on earth to get to heaven?!
Yeah. Esp. because Jesus said "for many" and not "for all". Honestly, I'm confused where he gets those views, I mean, I'm sure the bible says something different on more than one verse.
Sad if that can do more harm than good. I wouldn't want to be the one that lives in the lie to go to heaven my whole life and then die and not because I did no Lt believe in Jesus, not Form a relationship or something... :/
I wonder how he defends his view 🤔 I've seen the genesis one and that was... Strange...
Zero evidence "heaven" exists. Nonsense.
You have to listen very carefully because the emotion is tamped way down but Trent really wins every argument.
God Bless Trent! I wouldn't have enough patience for this.
27 is a baby. I think of how much I've matured since then. I'm glad I didn't have a flock to lead or else I would have led them off a cliff.
I'm 20 and I think I've come a long way since 18... haha
Im an outlier on the IQ charts and I would not have been capable of leading people at that age.
@@intedominesperavi6036
Check out flat earth moon and sun and zodiac youtube channel.
In reality earth is stationary plane not a planet with a firmament aka dome above us, outer space is a hoax.
@@godschild5587 No, thank you. Even if true - this would change nothing in my life.
27 is not a baby.
I know this was already mentioned before but Trent Horn did a great job in this debate. Not only in defending dogma and doctrine, but also listening patiently to Brandan Robertson and being humble.
Trent may be the best interviewer I’ve seen debating with such a calm, respectful demeanor with someone he disagrees with.
Clearly you've never seen Charlie Rose. 😏 There are many talented interviewers.
@ I have seen him but he’s not still interviewing is he? Sorry I don’t remember him too much however
This is how debate should be. Well done to both. Clearly very different points of view but done disagreement in love and charity. Praise and Glory to Jesus Christ.
this pastor needs to be saved.
He is no Pastor at all
You may have said the same for the Good Samaritan.
@@DIBBY40 What a completely idiotic thing to say.
Saved from what? From what your supposed "god" is going to do to him if he doesn't want a relationship with him? Absolutely stupid to believe in, and worship such an immoral thug as "god".
Thank you so much Rev. Brandan Robertson for bringing up matthew 19:11-12 and the historical and cultural understanding of the born eunuch @1:19:00
At the 23:00 point he states his rather arrogant view that the Catechism of the Catholic Church (2000 years of teaching and tradition) has no more value/weight than his opinion (paraphrased). Over and over he says "I think..." "My understanding..." "The way I see it..." "My interpretation..." "I preach...." Sorry, I'll go with the Magisterium and 2000 years of tradition rather than relativism and "in today's culture." "Paul is a man of his times"???? so has no value today outside the "Greco-Roman culture" My brain hurts.
Don’t surprise, this guy is nonsense and he doesn’t know what he is talking about. He is disgruntled citizen
I'm 12 min into this, mainly because I very much admire the manner in which Trent debates those asleep (coma?) in Christ, but also in the hope that the guest might recognize the error of his ways - to put it mildly.
The comments thus far strongly indicate that the latter might not be forthcoming...
Joe Nenninger I know what you mean. I wanted to stop the video already but I’d like to see the ending 😆
He also says shortly after that Christianity isn't the supreme Truth. Lord have mercy!🤦♂️
Wow, I pray one day I can be as gracious in disagreements as Trent was here. Hats off! This is truly building a bridge and staying firm in truth.
Thanks Pastor Brandan for speaking with Trent. Good work as always Trent!
What a nourishing discussion! I admire your preparation, in particular on chromosomal scenarios and on other scholars and publications, and your let's-hear-it-out approach. Lots to read-think about and follow up on.
I used to get upset when Protestants claimed the Catholic Church wouldn’t let the laity read the Bible on their own!
Now I’m all for it
I believe we should still read The Bible on our own, it's the "progressive Christians" who are twisting our words here.
True after seeing what people are doing to the precious Words of God... I tend to agree ... now we can realise why.... Its ghastly
I'd just like to thank you for this interview.
This is the only interview I've found so far with Brandan where the interviewer hasn't interrupted him and talked over him, so we actually get to hear his stance.
He's a prominent figure for those who share his views, so I wanted to hear what he had to say in a respectful setting where there's peaceful pushback and also acknowledgement of common ground.
I see the love for Christ in him and, even if I don't agree with his points, it's so refreshing to see him treated with grace as a fellow human being.
Thank you very much.
Trent, your patience is very great. Watching this, I realize just how much patience I have, which is little 😤
Same honestly. I gave my phone so many weird looks at a lot of stuff this guy said.
1:07:35 Even from a secular perspective, the purpose of sex is procreation. Why does sex feel good? Is it because some deity wanted primates to get some jollies every now and then just because that deity loves us? No, it's to incentivize behavior that will lead to reproduction, the goal of virtually every species on this planet.
You can choose to not procreate while still having sex the same way you can choose to avoid decadent levels of fats, sugars and salt while still nourishing yourself.
Fats, sugars, and salt generally feel good to consume because they indicate a high source of calories, useful for survival, yet there are people who choose not to lean into these pleasures in favor of some other priority.
Some people do the opposite and consume much more of these foods than is necessary for nourishment.
I am equating the desire and appreciation of calorie-rich foods usually bolstered by fat, sugar and salt, with the desire for sex. You can survive without either, but most people experience a drive towards them and derive pleasure from them for an evolutionary reason. The evolutionary reason for the former is that the availability of such foods best ensures our continued survival. The evolutionary reason for the latter is to avoid the cessation of what has obviously and evidently been an unbroken chain of ancestral life that has culminated in you.
If you take it to the extreme, it becomes clear. Let's say you take a person that was born being attracted to children, but has never acted on it. Let's say that person would be more likely to become depressed and suicidal if you told them their natural desires would be a sin to act on and they should not. Does that mean its bad to discourage their natural behavior becuae they might become depressed? No, you just tell them the truth and encourage them that Jesus will enable them to accomplish holiness.
This is absolutely true. I experience those sorts of attractions and have interacted with many others who do as well. It is simply the case that those who are "anti-contact," who hold it would always be wrong to act on their attractions with a child, have a greater propensity to depression and suicidality than those who are "pro-contact," who hold that there is at least some circumstance where it would be fine to act on their attractions with a child. I think it's pretty simple to understand why it works out like this. If you think your attractions are fine and can be fine to act on, why get upset about having them? Someone who is pro-contact basically has the eschatological hope of sex and sexual relationship with children in a future utopia. There isn't the same for someone who is anti-contact.
This "Pastor" thinks if he twists the law of God enough, it just magically becomes reality; explains so much about progressivism and relativism in general. God's LAW cannot be rewritten because you "feel" it's supposed to be.
Precisely.. you are right
Everybody needs to share this on social media!!!! Plz thank you.
I might send this to my lesbian woke feminist genderfluid Californian men-hating atheist friend, lol. Idk if I will send this to her, but if I do oh boy she will get mad. XDXD
Wow this guy is a full fledge heretic teacher. I feel bad for the poor souls he is leading astray. Please God help them.
God bless 🙏❤️💙❤️🙏✝️🛐
Okay 👍
Agreed 100%
No absolutes! I can see how with this logic, you could do anything!!
Hey Miss Rea-Cambell
peace of Christ be with you
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him. (Heb 5:8-9)
what are we meant to obey
Pastor Brandan Robertson May call himself Christian but I don't really think he is.
God bless you
This makes me so thankful for the Magisterium!!
Trents patience is astonishing
We need to do a lot of praying for this man
As I watched this i could not help but think anyone with a sexual obsession will never be free of it until true repentance in the Sacrament is done of the first instance of the sin. I can say this because i was a sex addict and struggled for 15 years with going to confession weekly for those years. It wasn't until i confessed the earliest memory and asked Christ through the priest as if I was talking to Christ said i was sorry and asked him to take this addiction away that he finally did. I have been given the grace and am 1 year free with ease as if i am a child again. I was thinking did he ever repent his desires? Later watching i realized he did not. I pray he repents and becomes free by Gods grace.
Trent, you answered my question on CA about 2 years ago, read one of your books, and I am avidly studying your apologetics' method. The only disadvantage I can see is it depends upon an encyclopedic memory-- I have to "cheat" with my journal book of apologetics.
I especially like your "steel man" approach. Keep up the good work.
I'm praying for u Mr. Robertson for your enlightenment to the truth about sexuality
Trent is a gift to the Church! Thank you Trent for speaking TRUTH. "I am the Way the TRUTH and the Life". All objective Truth is God. Literally.
My mind is in knots trying to follow Brandan's logic. This is how satan makes good seem evil and evil seem good.
Declaring evil as good is what the bible is already trying to do:
Fir example to claim that god promised the Hebrews a land that is owned by another people, then they also claim their god ordered them to eli mina te the other people (because they prey to the "wrong" gods, lol) that the Hebrews can life there on their own.
Great strategy.
There is right and wrong. We need to love and be there for everyone who battles with sin. Walking on egg shells and trying to find the right words that are not going to offend the person is just a bit too much. If you are an alcoholic, well, you are an alcoholic, there is no other way around it. You have a drinking problem...etc. There must be love, honesty, and a seriousness to the tone of voice when speaking to the person.
I made it 45 minutes before I had to leave due to my blood pressure..... I’ll pray for this little boy God save him.
Chauvinist. Wow, when Jesus asks you whether you loved, I think you will have to answer in the negative.
When boiled down, the first part/point of his thesis is that Christians telling him the truth hurts his feelings ("psychological harm") and therefor those truths must be wrong. His second point is basically, "Revisions are good because they affirm my position and bend the truth for me." And lastly he is simply saying, "We are moving away from the patriarchy because Jesus talked to sinners..." Which is a very theologically shallow view that doesn't recognize Christ as the head patriarch (New Adam) nor the fact Jesus brought the uncomfortable truth to those sinners but loved them anyways and for that they followed and respected him. He did not bend the truth or change the truth for those sinners to make them feel better or OK their sins.
Great content, hope this can be a regular thing here at CA.
Don Alonso I wish Jay Dyer would accept his challenge
What a respectful interview! I saw the debate with Brandan and 2 Protestants on Apologia studios , and all throughout the hour , it was confrontational and tense. Trent did an amazing job in debating and inquiring Brandans view points! I pray that Brandan have a conversion of heart and spirit
Firstly, we are all sinners (i.e. have lied, stolen etc). As with these sins, the Bible clearly states homosexuality is a sin. If you take your sin (i.e. a homosexual) and then use it to 'identify' who you are than how can that be right? We are all called to repentance and not stay in the same state. If I was a former drug user, adulterer etc then now call myself a Christian but fall back and continue in my sins then I am a hypocrite. It's like when Jesus said "you honor me with your lips but their hearts are far from me". We cannot compromise with sin, we must forsake it (go to confession etc) and repent and trust in Jesus.
Trent did a beautiful job breaking down his flaws in a gentle compassionate manner