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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode of Top Hill, we react and give our commentary on South African artist Tyla's controversial win at the MTV VMAs for Best Afrobeat. We discuss the backlash after she asked presenter Halle Bailey to hold her award, with some calling her an "uppity African." Join us as we dive into the reactions and share our thoughts on this heated topic.
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The imperialist culture of America is what makes it hard for Americans to understand other cultures especially Africans. That mixed with the ideas spread by colonialism makes it even harder for Americans to comprehend African culture/ mannerisms ect.
True 🇿🇦
It’s deeper than colourism there’s community of coloureds South Africans who are darker than Wesley snipes 😂
Like Indians 😅 in Durban.
@@Wallstreetartistry-PODHey, choon them laanie 😂
😂😂😂😂
@@Wallstreetartistry-PODwhen did indians become colords, stop lying to americans
Benni McCarthy is a perfect example
Americans think "afrobeat" is an umbrella for all african music,they don't look at it as "genre" that it is....hence the confusion.
Love your openness to hearing out what apartheid was about. My dad passed as white, and was arrested at one point for visiting his dark skinned colourd girlfriend, later his wife my mom. And he was light complected and light hair like a white person though also colourd. Proud that they stuck together got merried and had us.
The problem is we still have people who think that Africa is a country.
The reason why most Americans mistaken Amapiano as Afrobeats, its because, very recently, Afrobeats artists have been using Amapiano beats a lot. Almost all the afrobeats songs these days have Amapiano beat. Asake became famous for using Amapiano beat, then every afrobeats artist followed the trend.
That could be possible. It's also just possible that because afrobeats is the most popular music genre in Africa and increasingly in the world, most white people simply assume any African artist is an afrobeats artist. I mean it has the word Afro in it
@@FlagWaverFlagBearer Nailed it absolutely true... they should just name the category "African beat" just for peace. Cause really it's not that deep, they all now sound the same it's difficult to differentiat.
@@ingazongwana8604they don’t sound the same tho 😅 but anyway
@@ingazongwana8604It's not that deep to who!? It's deep to South Africans and no they do NOT sound the same! Sit this one down if you're not willing to understand.
@@ingazongwana8604Sound the same?. Asake sound like Tyla?.
Coloured goes beyond colourism or even being mixed race, Coloured is a culture and a community of people. This community goes as far back as colonism of the 17th and 18th century. Back then all mixed race people were grouped together in exclusive neighborhoods, and they would only interact with other mixed race people and expanded. Centuries later these neighborhoods belong to Coloured people, the descendants of those mixed race and they have their own culture, dialect, history, etc. The difference between a mixed race and a Coloured is that a mixed race person's parents one or the other is either black or white, for example. But a Coloured's parents are both Coloured of the Coloured community, who look like them, with the same ethnicity, same goes for their grandparents and great grandparents as far back as their ancestors who were initially mixed race but without the instilled culture. The beauty about this is that this phenomenon can only be found in South Africa, that's why being Coloured is hard for the world to understand but for South Africans it is a norm.
Thank you. Think you hit most of the points. Might just add for the audience, that if any person from the four main race groups were found walking in a different races neighborhood for anything other than work related business, you would be in for a world of hurt at the nearest police station. And you best know your race when being approached by the police
You talking sh...t colords are black people even in South Africa
@@FishFinga17that stopped long before Apartheid was abolished.
@@ashleydavhie9643 Oh Ashley, nice try but what a load of nonsense you have just spewed here on an international platform nogal. The term coloured is 100% conceived and conceptualised by white settlers in South Africa purely for nefarious reasons and nothing else. Basically by accepting and embracing the term coloured which you had no say in its establishment you are erasing a whole history of your ancestors who existed before coming into contact with the white settlers. You people gave up your language which is almost nonexistent now as well as your culture which can never be recovered just to be in close proximity to white privilege. You people completely gave up and relinquished who you are just to be treated slightly better than black people. There is nothing romantic or tangible or even cultural about being coloured, absolutely nothing. You are just an extremely successful project of white people. You are completely and utterly conquered by white people to an extent that you cannot even think of yourself outside of what they wanted you to be. I know my comment will be deleted so...
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Americans ought understand the difference between 'Colored' and 'Coloured'. The South African racial grouping of 'Coloured' consists of Khoisan, Bushmen, Mixed and Hottentots. Most of these tribes are thee oldest homo-sepiens on earth, living in thee cradle of human kind, speaking thee oldest language of Njuu know in our existence. Imagine Tyla having to forego such a principal racial group, which would be worse that the eons of whitewashing of Africans experienced by this continent.
Tyla is 25% African, 25% Irish, 25% Indian and 25% Mauritian. Her designation of mixed makes complete sense as an African woman, not black. There are no traditional lineage of African tribes that refers to themselves as 'Black' until europeans grouped everyone on the continent as black.
People in Morocco, Mauritius, Capo Verde, Algeria, Somalia, Eritria, Tunisia, Egypt and Ethiopia might not recognise themselves as 'Black', yet are 100% Africans.
Koisan etc can't be colord, they are black
I think the problem lies when people not understanding the size of the continent of Africa and the multi-cultural diversity am talking multi genres
She's not just 'considered
Coloured'. She is Coloured....not White, not Black.
White, black, colored are all labels. White people are not actually "white." They're just considered "white" and may even be considered something other than that in a different context. Many "black"people are actually brown skinned but are considered black. Obama is considered black in the US but would probably be considered colored in SA. These things are just labels and are applied differently depending on the location and even time.
@@tok1879 what she was trying to correct is being coloured in SA is beyond a label or colour of the skin...its an actual culture...Obama would be considered coloured in SA yes but not coloured(the culture).
I think in America they just think afrobeat is for the whole Africa but no we have deferent countries with different genres
Wasn't the song ''water'' afrobeat?
@primejeggar9770 that one us pure Amapiano.. Afrobeat gives more reggae vibe while Amapiano gives upbeat House
@@primejeggar9770water was actually a mix of afrobeat, barcadi (a SAn genre) & Amapiano (RSA). The water dance is barcadi.So in RSA every genre has it's dance moves. We have amapiano dance moves and Barcadi dance moves.
@@primejeggar9770Nop
@@primejeggar9770the thing is Afrobeat is African music genres mixed created by West Africans, so you will hear songs that have Afrobeat in them in Africa or vise verse, so no Water is not Afrobeat
I'm coloured and proud...I dunno y Americans not all bt black Americans think a whole race of people should br swiped away coz they think it should😂😂..and she does shows all over the world bt black Americans think they are the only target market😂😂 its weird😂😂Nigerians are trying their hardest to fight it bt she's the biggest and most recognized stars in AFRICA and she done it in 2years in mainstream....people are just weird when it comes to something different and it shows
Exactly.
If black Americans are not an important enough target market, why do they keep imposing Tyla on them? Why is nasty c trying to move to America to become big? You SA folks live in denial with putting down things black and yte worshipping with your rainbow Nation nonsense. And Tyla is popular right now no doubt, but we probably need a lil more time before you can claim she's bigger than artists like Burna boy who have sold out stadiums and arenas in foreign countries.
Salutr to you two. You're really respectful and try to unferstand and i wish more people would act lile it.
Love the respectful and open nature of your approach to these topics
Fire video. Love from Cape Town, South Africa. I'm kullid as well.
Kulid when it suits you, Khoisan when it suits you, black when it suits you. Especially you lost souls in the Western Cape.
@@ronm4385Walk into a Shoprite, or the Home Affairs office in Mitchell's Plein, and tell me what colour the tellers and officials in those places are?
Suits you just fine
I'm proudly Coloured too.
@@adajames-almano1436 Proud of being a successful white concept? That's just absurd. You people existed waaaaay before you came into contact with the white man and you are just willing to throw that away just to be in close proximity with white privilege. What a crying shame.
What is there to be proud about being coloured? Please tell me? I really want to get my head around it please. What are you proud of?
@@adajames-almano1436 Can you please tell me what's there to be proud about being coloured? Please I implore you
Coloured people in South Africa are mixed race descendants of the Khoisan. The Khoisan is one of the oldest tribes in all of Africa, and before what is known as the "Bantu migration" wherein the Bantu tribes which dominate Southern Africa today migrated to the Southern Africa from Central and West Africa, the Khoisan owned all countries in the Southern region of Africa, known as Southern Africa.
In the 1600's the Dutch brought slaves from Malaysia, Indonesia, Madagascar, Mozambique, Angola, and East Africa to South Africa. These slaves who at some point became free people intermixed with each other, with the Dutch, as well as WITH THE KHOISAN, and produced offspring. THAT OFFSPRING WAS LABELED AS COLOURED. This new group was then intentionally kept separate from the Bantu(black) groups in South Africa.
Over time they married and reproduced amongst each other, and developed a completely new identity and culture. They also speak a language known as Afrikaans, which is essentially Dutch mixed with indigenous African languages, and because they have been mixed so many times THE COLOURED PEOPLE OF SOUTH AFRICA ARE THE MOST GENETICALLY DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE ON THE PLANET. Thus most coloured people come from mixed people who come from other mixed people and it goes back many generations to the days of slavery, and ultimately to the Khoisan tribe.
This is why it makes no sense to try to label Tyla or any other coloured person as just black. It is also highly offensive to actual black people in South Africa who are actually black, belong to actual black tribes, speak actual black tribal languages, and have actual black tribal customs and cultures developed over hundreds of years.
Bantu is not a tribe , it has more to do with linguistics
How about that?
Colored people as a group has more to do with segregation and nothing else
Because their surname doesn't change and that's who they are
@@k-dwanks2481First of all, I never said that Bantu people are a tribe. Bantus are one of 4 types of black groups like Nolites and Cushites and Khoisan. Bantus are the fourth group. Within each of those groups you will find many tribes and cultures unique to each tribe and in accordance with whichever country they may live in.
Secondly, what do you mean surnames? Who said anything about surnames? How is it relevant to what I have said? What do you know about coloured people's surnames? Please elaborate.
Thirdly, what do you mean by "it has more to do with segregation and nothing else?" Did coloured people invent segregation? Where is this energy for the people who invented segregation? What are you talking about?
Fourth, Indians were also brought to South Africa as slaves in the 1600's. They were also segregated from everybody else and up until today they have their own spaces and are their own separate group. Where is this energy for them or do you only have it for coloured people while everybody else gets a pass? Please explain.
Please I wasn't looking to debate anyone on this. I was just trying to explain things to those who don't know about it. If you want to debate it, I am the wrong person to do that. Besides, facts are what they are. They cannot be debated as if they are subject to anyone's opinion
Now your starting with your lies, by the time the Dutch came to South Africa in the late 1600 the Batswana, Amazulu, Amaxosa, Basotho, Bapedi and other black tribes were already in South Africa don't write things trying to push your own agendas stick to the topic and stop the cap, and the Dutch didn't bring Indians to South Africa they came here as traders
@@tjmapena2862All of those tribes you mentioned are Bantu tribes that had already migrated to Southern Africa from the Central and Western parts of the continent, AS I ALREADY MENTIONED. I never said that the Dutch brought them to South Africa, nor did I say that when the Dutch arrived they were not already in South Africa, so where exactly is the lie? Also, it is common knowledge that Indians were brought to South Africa AS SLAVES. Even the comedian Russell Peters has a joke about how Indians were so many in South Africa because of slavery. Please learn about history. Google is absolutely free. Also, stop making up things and obsessing about things I never said. Start paying attention to what I have actually said. You might actually learn something.
@@elroyswarts2337thanks for telling our history and don't debate these folks that don't want to learn and understand our history.
Amapiano is SA
Abrobeat is Nigeria period
Is like calling abrobeat reggae
When we know reggae is Jamaica 😂
@@ruthydaniels2565 😂😂😂
I like the category name for the Grammy's. It is "African Performance". This is more appropriate as it encapsulates ANY genre that comes from the African continent. I do think that it is GREAT that African artists have a category in the 1st place. There was a time we were not acknowledged at all. So maybe just change the category name......that is all. But Tyla was right, She got heat for not being Afrobeats and somehow she knew that it would come and she needed to address it. She is trying her best....all eyes are on her and she is being SO heavily scrutinized at the moment. Anything she says or does is blown out of context.
Love your approach to the conversation its respectful unlike the tone we hear from others.
Apartheid didn't end 2 decades ago mate actually is 3 decades to be precise.
I think people have forgotten what does Afro mean.
I love your channel. Did you know why wizkid could not win GRAMMY with his song, 'ESSENCE?' Americans and Grammy organizers says, ESSENCE is not afrobeats or didn't sound afrobeats and Angela Kidjo was given that Grammy award that year against all expections that wizkid ought to have won it! Now and with no disrepect to tyla, her song, 'Water' was good but, it doesn't sound afrobeats but RnB like wizkid Essence. Tyla got Grammy award for her song and wizkid did not. Can you see the confusion from America or Grammy organizer? Is this not a conspiracy theory against afrobeats artist from dominating the awatds and the best at the moment world wide? Wizkid with Essence was a bomb and it was loud with Justin Bieber and no could not win Grammy. Something is fishing against afrobeats. 😅😅😅😅😅
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Hello just correction. She is coloured and black. In South African law, Indians, Coloureds and Africans are considered black. Statement she issued says she is coloured and black.
@@LindiweVilakazi-dp7bv girl explaining such a simple fact makes these self hating unidentified colords look stupid and racist
Some Black Americans got actually angry that she didn't pander to them. But imagine if she said she's just black and started showing parts of her other heritages or see her father's side of her family, it would have alao been an issue, like a Kamala Harris situation.. So, she's never was going to "win" to this .
How is it her fault they put her name under Afro beat?
Who says it's her fault when she didn't put herself in that category? It's the fault of the organisers of the award who deliberately chose to classify all music coming from Afriaca as afrobeat. Tyla is not an afrobeat artist but RnB.
@@fimsampson6190 people say she shouldn’t have taken the award😏😏
I am Indian from South Africa, love u guys🤗
Americans should come and learn in Motherland differently music. They don’t know anything that guessing! Tyla corrected them that her music is Amapiano not Afrobeat. So Americans feel superior they don’t want anyone to correct them. They should come to Africa and learn.😊
Americans need to humble themselves and learn about Africa and it's diverse cultures and ethnicities and in that way they will have better understanding of our differences, big up to you top hill for reacting on our videos as you research about Africa that's not known in the world, ❤from Ballito KZN province in Sunny 💯❤️🌍🇿🇦🌍❤️✅🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿
With absolute no disrespect to you but Black America needs to stop thinking that USA is the world because it is not. I mean, the sport your country specializes in (NFL), never gets played with the rest of the world yet you call it world series. Case en pointe. Coloured is a term to describe the MOST genetically diverse people in the world here in South Africa. Many a bloodline runs through our veins. We don't take it as a derogatory slur, we are proudly Coloured. We have the ancestry of bantu people, khoisan people and sadly the european people. So, for Tyla to claim her heritage so proudly must be a bitter pill to swallow especially to those who probably don't know where they come from. Being Coloured means so many things for example, I am a Cape Coloured which means my heritage is more Cape Malay/Indonesian/Indian/Dutch and Tyla is Coloured from Durban and her heritage is Zulu/Indian/Irish. Let's just say that if you ask 20 Coloured people what it means to be Coloured you will get 20 different answers.
Have you heard of the pencil test? Favoritism was decided whether the pencil stayed in your hair or not. We have come along way since then. Tyla doesn't need to claim to be anybody she is not just because the public think they have the right to choose her ethnicity. Today's audacities really cracks me up. lol As for her being Uppity hahahaha nah, she will get ripped a new one by her fellow South Africans if that was the case. Which it is not.❣
Thanks for your review
Lol as coloured you could not enter whites only places
But was treated way better than black folks ,thats why you find Cape Coloureds who wants nothing to do with blackness ,they are so anti black .
The system was designed to divide and conquer, also to make the different groups not like each other. It was divided into white, black, Indian, Asian and the rest of the people that they could not really distinguished what race they were got classified as coloured. The last apartheid president FW de Klerk ex-wife said that coloured people were the ones that was left over after all the races was sorted out. They originated from race mixing for generations, apartheid also broke up alot of families, some class as White, some as black, coloured and so now. This happened in my family were the grandparents and great grandparents could not visit family anymore cause they were now classified as a different race group. They sometimes had to pretend to be a worker if the police would be around. It was a police state during those times. Also if families didn't want to be separated they would just classified as coloured thats why some look white, black, Asian, Indian etc. Yes coloureds did experience Apartheid differently but not that much they just threw a little more crimbs to camouflage what they were doing to the people to make them look as if they were not bad. Even whites were segregated English whites from Afrikaner whites. The apartheid government thought that Greek, Italian and Spanish were not pure white as well the Jews communities. So those groups lived in there own sub communities also sometimes in close proximity to coloured neighborhoods. Theres a whole lot of other systematic things they implemented that segregated groups within a group.
Facts..
In those days of Apartheid regime our black Parents used to stand in the bus and the Coloured take all the seats.even the Coloured education,Medical system etc was almost white education,Medical system etc.I'm born and bread in Cape town where you will find the Coloured highest Population,and the sad thruth is ever Since the Apartheid era till today not all of them but Most of them they still feel superior towards Black community.I never even see them joining black protest.
Americans are clearly bothered when it's other Africans and not them. We all can see it
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I should not have watched dis. You talk left right. Straight to the point. Waste !
Though she’s coloured according to her she’s falls under black not white in South Africa
You guys are missing the point, most of black Africa does not consider SA as one who supports black culture. We have been so conditioned in the west that we see all countries in Africa as supporting blackness. If you want to blackness you know which countries in Africa you will go to. I mean it’s not even rocket science, it’s not even a black controlled economy.
America lups Amapiano is a South African genre of music that's gotten popular via America airwaves and her youth and English speaking and her attraction all play a role in Americas choice
Lol I'm glad you guys pointed out it's an American problem that you guys don't understand African cultures, and yes, CULTURES. American's need to stop thinking that Africa is a country, it's a continent with many countries in it. To me it comes down to laziness and arrogance that you American's don't want to learn about other countries and their history. The internet can be a wonderful place, not just for tik-tok lol, one can actually LEARN things there. I am from a "3rd world country" and probably know more American history than the average American lol, let alone other countries. I think if you guys just took an interest in the rest of the world then you could open your eyes to the fact that America is not the best country in the world. Just humble yourselves a little and there won't be all this "confusion" on your part!
Also what I've realized wit most people is that they love when people pretend to be be something they are not just for likes...her confidence I just missed understood
The other issue is who must classify human beings and on what basis
What you getting wrong is that you all the put accentuation on apartheid. Coloureds existed even before apartheid. Before apartheid the natives(khoi/San - coloureds)had been already segregated from the whites(settlers) and put in their our own living spaces or living and worked their own land at farms which was run by the settlers.They took the areas(land) from our people which they deemed beneficial.When the apartheid goverment took over our people COLOUREDS was removed from their previous living areas again. From places like district 6 in Capetown ,Northend Summerstrand in Port Elizabeth. Everything started prior the apartheid goverment.The apartheid goverment just made it worst.
Ask Trevor Noah abt the difference
Funny listening to u guys, in South Africa, coloureds speaks mostly Afrikaans and English and blacks speaks the tribe languages and English, eg Xhosa, Sotho, Venda,etc etc
Im Coloured and only speak Afrikaans and English, hoop julle verstaan nou dat ons kultuur verskil van mekaar
What im saying its more a cultural issue, ...
Jusrt renember we have 11 different cultures.
Yiour knowledge of colourds is so poor,. You have no idea. I am one and have blond hair and blue eyes .
Amapiano is not a music but a beat. Music is more than a beat. It is a melodious sound with instrumental accompaniments. That is the difference. So in essence Amapiano is not Afrobeats despite the word beat is in Afrobeats.
Wat you say about EDM
Why does anyone think tyla is black?
She's indian south African
She might be mixed but she's indian
And she's not African either,
In africa what is used is patrilineal line or the matrilineal line and she has none
The colorism has to do with segregation,
As long as they bear their fathers surname and not colored
That category makes no sense
And it will not stand in the rest of Africa
Notwithstanding tyla isnt an afrobeat artist and its disrespectful to keep placing her in such category
Either they change the name of the category, to best African act or you keep tyla away from it
And creat an amapiano category
@@k-dwanks2481 bro Africans are black. Non Africans are not black. That simple
Lies
How is she not African when her mum is Half Zulu ?You sound dumb im sorry.
@@dothadance1 you make no sense, what are you calling false?
@@dothadance1 Her father hails from Mauritius - an East African country - though he’s of Indian heritage, and Tyla’s mother is a South African native of Zulu descent with some Irish ancestry.
What then makes her African then ?
Is Elon musk African?
Or is she an afrobeat artist?
Make your argument, make sense!
south africa has afrobeat.
The genre in South Africa is Amapiano. Check the song Tshwala bum to understand
If nigerian artists sticked to their genre and not try to copy the Amapiano beat we would not be here. Every new Nigerian song has a logdrum, which is a distinctive plug for Amapiano. Why?
@@justicetshovhota3940 Stop trying to be special. Artists use things from everywhere all the time. Amapiano has certain strong instruments as well as musical sound technology that others invented yet no one cares you still pretend amapiano was created purely from the ground up
Sounding so childish @@justicetshovhota3940
@@FlagWaverFlagBearerAmapiano was created from the ground up. Can you please watch a documentary explaining how the sound originated from the streets of Pretoria and was heavily influenced by South African nightlife. In fact to Pretorian residence Amapian is more than just a music genre . Thanks for sharing the views respectfully 🙏🏽
The South African coloureds have no desire to be classified as black. Most of them obsess about their white heritage. They would tell you about 'their' great great german or italian granfathers but would never tell you anything about their great great black or khoisan grandmothers.
That's true across the world. That's literally what colorism and racism are about. This doesn't mean Tyla has to change her race. Doja Cat is part south african, born and raised by the us as a black woman (mixed) and she's problematic. So, it's not a SAn or african thing. Black americans are guilty of the same. Y'all have zendaya as the face of black america and the dark skinned women as housemaids. Tyla has done nothing wrong
That's a lie but okay
@@LuKunene it's not lie abafuni nyani
This really is a lie, we don't obsess over our "white Lineage" if anything we obsess about being coloured in general.
@@patrictshwenyane5819 lots of coloured people were not taught their African heritage because of Apartheid it was frown upon it could also get people jailed and separated from their families. That's why the older people never spoke about it and if you asked about it you would get a klap. It's not that the grownups never spoke about it amongst themselves but lots of them past down the information. During those days there was the secret police, the wit doeke and the ama piempies. Also the Apartheid system preached that white is right, white is pure, white is close to Godly indoctrination ideology. A 40+ year old system can truly mess up people's thinking and attitudes. Also people felt safer if they don't talk about their black side and it was also for getting better jobs and opportunities. It's was a truly Fd up system. Thankfully now some people are speaking about their black side and families are reaching out to each other. Also DNA test and ancestry family trees also helps to connect families. It's very sad thinking about all of this because on both sides of my family they were all separated.
Ola great chat...by the way We do have Indians in Sa...n yes we were also discriminated against n treated the same as Blacks were not allowed to white areas ...and regarded as blacks under white government and now with black government we have reverse racism...it's shameful
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