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- I’ve had a good week to test this bike and find a setup that performs where I want it to perform. At first the bike was sluggish on climbs and not compliant, and descending wasn’t confident. I addressed the compliance by lowering the air pressure and speeding the HSR up to 3 from full open from 2 from closed of 8 and a half clicks, adding HSC from open to 4 clicks in from open, and LSC I always ended back at 3 in from open. Lsr is at 10 out from closed of 18. 11 out in cooler weather, and hsr 2 from full open in colder weather. This setup it at 29 degrees celcius. Temperature has an effect on the oil viscocity in the damper making your settings feel off if you’re running a cold weather setup on a warmer day or vice versa.
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This debate about 27.5 vs 29 is always in my head. I'm short at 170cm and currently run 27.5 Commencal Clash 2020 Medium. Tried 29 hardtail Commencal Meta HT, I did liked the bigger wheels especially on the front, but it was so hard to put the bike where I want, especially corners, no control for the back wheel in the corners, couldn't move it from it's own direction. Was thinking mullet, but that is additional investment. I actually borrowed 29 fork and wheel from a buddy and was blown away how faster the bike felt, however went back to 27.5 and compared strava times mullet vs full 27.5 and actually was faster with both 27.5, but in my head I thought mullet will be faster :D I think I will stick with 27.5 on both ends for a while. In the area where I like we don't have many straight highways down anyways:)
I'm 190cm, and still think that 27.5" wheels are awesome. The connection to the ground is just different compared to 29. My current bike happens to be a 29er, which I love and it definitely suits me, however, I'd happily run 27.5 or the "mullet" setup on a future bike.
I noticed they use a threaded bb on the alloy frames and press fit on the carbon. Another reason to go alloy!
The A3 for over a thou cheaper is even better value. Comes with a full Deore group set instead of SLX and Rockshox instead of FOX. I am a FOX guy but.
I personally can’t tell the difference between Deore, SLX and XT in performance🤷🏽♂️.
With the cash saving I upgraded the Yari fork charger damper to RC2 same as Lyrik Ultimate for $400.
Threw the Deluxe shock in the bin and bought a 2023” Super Deluxe coil $800 Insane upgrade over the junk installed.
What’s with these companies that provide these suspension components that have no compression adjustment whatsoever, isn’t it 2022, I digress.
And only because I had trouble getting used to the funky levers on the Deore master cylinder, I bought a set SLX master cylinder levers only $140 (in stock), and mated them up to the Deore 4 piston callipers. Now these thing feel and work insane.
New bars, grips, pedals to my personal choice, less than $1600 in upgrades.
I’m sure you’d agree, this is all the performance anyone would need without any of the bling. And as I break the not so good stuff I’ll replace it.
But as a whole this would have to be the best bang for buck bike on the market.
Yes it’s also 27.5 too!
I agree about 275 wheels for Enduro style riding. It helps for maneuvering. 29 seems better for XC. Also agree about riding bikes with smaller reach. Shorter reach with a slack HA seems like a recipe for a bike that gives confidence on steep terrain but isn't too cumbersome to lean over
Its lovely having a low backend with room to squat into the pedals, and that low wheel centre seems to keep the bike agile
Geometry sounds great on this bike, same as the old Kona Process 167 (apart from the chainstays)
Great angles
hey mate! with the suspension setup, does "from full open" mean from full clockwise?
Full open is least damping, or full counter clockwise
Another great video Telly. Do you feel like the new X2's in general need to be ran deeper into it's sag or perhaps only on Norco due to its leverage curve? I have a new Specialized Kenevo SL and I too feel like the rear keeps getting hung up no matter what I do. Another thing of note on the X2 is the poor placement of the HSR dial, stupid
Keep coming back to all of your videos for recommendations, but perhaps a more in depth suspension tuning video is in order Telly. A question I always ask, but nobody ever answers is where to set the HSR at the onset when dialing in the LSR. I feel like it absolutely effects the LSR circuit, but it is hard to feel for it
Keep up the great work and looking forward to more content! Cheers mate
Nah the sag height for this bike is related to the geometry and suspension design mostly, and partly because of how progressive the short stroke X2s are. The longer stroke X2 has a larger positive air can which better matches the size of the neg for the best tuning range on different bikes.
Setting hsr/lsr at the start is a matter of bouncing around on the street or driveway and going through the range of both adjusters to see where the functional range is, and get a feel for how they affect each other, then start where you feel it may be good. These adjustments are also directly related to the spring rate you’re running. Too fast hsr will have the back end dancing around with the only effective control being slow lsr. If you run the hsr too slow you’ll lose grip and it’ll feel like you get no energy back when you pump backsides. Not remedied by a faster lsr. You want enough force coming out of the spring to create grip and to propel you forward off backsides, but not so much force that its pushing your feet up through bumps and skipping around.
If hsr is too fast you have to run a dead setup, is hsr is too slow you have to compromise with lsr makingvfor an unstable bike oscillating through the travel constantly
Currently watching another independent mtb reviewer - he had a very bad time with a norco :) Anyways, enjoy both of your channels. Really improves my knowledge.
Its so dependant on finding a setup that works, regardless of recommendations. It was a rough slug when I started with if
Another top vid Telly!
Thanks cobba 👋🏼
How tall are you? You're rding a Medium? I am 6'0" riding a Large 27.5"
174cm
I just threw a marzocchi bomber cr coil on my sight a month ago (got lucky with stock). Feels so much better than the dpx2 that came stock. In my opinion, the air shock felt too choppy. I tried playing around with air pressure and rebound but it just felt like riding a wild bull.
Yeww!
Hey Telly, nice review as usual, I’ve been looking at one of these I’m 167 do you reckon I should go for a size small ?
I’d say if you want a longish bike you could get on well with the medium, if you want something a little more compact and playful you’d enjoy the small as well. Kind of between the sizes, personally with this bike having a nice low seat tube I’d lean medium, but again you’ll get along with both sizes
Try the bonty se6..I think it's better than the assagaii.. curious what others think .
I’ll try get on one and see whats up
@@mtbtelly5522 epic
Well mate thanks so much for getting on a a2 sight! Really interesting for me to see what you found with it.
I love my 29er but I’m also 182cm tall.
I’m actually really really surprised how close you are to my settings.
(That I got from the ride aligned) for 84kg medium speed.
Clearly your much faster if your needing those setting at only 76kg.
I’m rocking Air Pressure of 79 psi and 1 Token
Comp knob at 1:00 🕐
Rebound: 7 out
In the fork.
and I’ve been running 17mm of sag and Air Pressure of 250psi (if I remember right)
Air Volume: 0 VS
LSR: 11 out
HSR: 5 out
LSC: 13 out
HSC: 5 out
Sometimes 4 clicks of HSC if I need it.
And 4 clicks or HSR if it’s over 25’c
What rebound are you on for the fork??
And what LS rebound are you on for the rear shock. Also what air pressure did you end up needing for 19mm sag 76kg.
Interested to know.
Would you still run that much sag on the 29er as I know the Geo is slightly different. I think it’s about 8-10mm lower BB.
Also its very important you equalise this shock properly at full pressure, as the port isn’t easy to find and is down at around 25%or so into the travel
I missed this one totally a bike I would have looked into but got a Remedy. but no dealers close by for the Norco but looks like a killer bike and killer value
Remedy is killer as well. Slacker seat angle, but suspension design is excellent
@@mtbtelly5522 loving the lyrik and super deluxe
What are some other good 27.5 full sus bikes similar to the sight?
The Trek Remedy is killer. The Pivot Mach 6 is quite good, the Merida 160, ..
@@mtbtelly5522 cheers mate
Sick riding!
What would be the quickest way to get to the top of twisted gum?
I go from the bottom straight up the fireroad to pioneer womens walking trail, or if you wanna get up a little quicker, stay on the fireroad that peels left and follow it straight up the hill
@@mtbtelly5522 thanks 👍
i wish i could travel from mel to SA to have you tune my bike suspension... i ride a commencal clash2020
What fork/shock are you running and what do you weigh?
@@mtbtelly5522 fox36 performance and fox float x2 performance. Bike is in size large. I weigh 90kg with all gears
Road trip of Aus setting the channel followers bikes up.
New series Telly on the road 😂
@@liwx ah yeah sweet. I’d say 1-2 tokens in the fork and maybe 1-2 tokens in the rear should have you at a good starting point. Aim for 29% sag out back and 18-20 up front
Ripper vid
Can you remember what pressure you ran in the rear shock?
I think it was around 168 from memory for my 76ish dressed
@@mtbtelly5522 Jesus my pressures are much higher and only got 6kg on you
have you tried go for more tokens like 4 or 5 and drop pressure? i'm 187lbs and riding with 5 tokens with 65psi
How does that feel? At 2 tokens the front was a little too low, having to run a little more sag to keep the chop out of the rampier spring. 1 token was good, and would probably be my preferred for some bottomout insurance. At no token I could bottom it on a huck no worries but Everywhere else was excellent. Add a token to give you that insurance but it starts to deteriorate the compliance a little.
I’d imagine 5 would have you near 30% sag?
@@mtbtelly5522 ~23%sag@65psi, quite soft around sag and a lot more middle stroke compared to 3 or 4 tokens. I used to ride with similiar settings with yari with b1 spring with 4 tokens around 20% sag @65PSI. I preffer riding more "in bike", stiffer, higher front with lowered bb.
SLX brakes arnt stock btw
Oh really? Must be the one below the SLX
@@mtbtelly5522 Nar everything is SLX accept the brakes at mt-520’s or what ever it is.
It’s all SLX group set and hubs etc.
I plan to upgrade to SLX brakes soon.
And suggestions on rotors?
@@chadsugden411 I’d go the sram hs2 rotors. Friends all say they’re killer, I’ll be running them on the new rig. Otherwise standard sram ones are good and a little thicker than the shimano ones
@@mtbtelly5522 you going XT brakes or sram?
@@chadsugden411 reckon I’ll go Code RSC with hs2 rotors and maybe galfer pads