Sig P365 & Springfield Hellcat Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video, Allen compares the all-new Hellcat handgun from Springfield Armory with the very popular Sig Sauer P365. Thanks for watching and we would greatly appreciate it if you would take the time to like this video, leave a comment down below, and subscribe to our channel.
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Excellent review. Both are good guns, but I chose a Hellcat in the end. It felt just right in my hand. That, and I loved the sights.
Better sights, better trigger.
Own the 365 and absolutely love it.
Finally a review that's heavy on facts, and light on opinions, EXCELLENT!
Yea, thats just how Olde English Outfitters is.
“How many bullets are you going to need?”
The answer is always, all the bullets....
My answer to myself is the more I have in the fight the more my mind is in the peace. I would not worry aboutI run out of ammunition.
IMO a criminal is more likely going to have a full size high cap gun so the more I can carry the better
enough to stop the threat
as many as you think you're going to need plus one more for good measure.
@@davecracchiolo6363 You guys are adorable
I like how calm and clear this review is.
Anyone else reminded of "This is Spinal Tap" when the guitarist says, "But these go to Eleven" when he was talking about the Hellcat magazine capacity? I hope I'm not the only weird one...
..as a guitarist...I get it ..love Spinal Tap
Always very much appreciate non-partisan, non-biased reviews. I just wish you guys were closer! :)
8:00 Actually it has nothing to do with how lightweight the firing pin/striker is in the P365, and if the trigger does move rearward, it *will* fire the gun just like it's been pulled by a finger. This was the reason P320 had the big drop fire fiasco. In P365, striker is fully cocked, and the sear only moves up and down to release the striker. It doesn't cock it at all unlike the Glock. So it's 100% single action like a 1911. Without the 1911's manual and grip safeties, It relies on longer trigger travel as its safety mechanism. When trigger starts moving, it's already game over to me. That's why I chose the manual safety version of P365 :)
That's kind of unnerving that they rely on the long pull to prevent a Negligent discharge... ESPECIALLY when everyone is upgrading the trigger to where there is no take-up and a light pull weight.
i also choose a manual safety p365. it just makes me feel better and if that makes me carry it more often then thats what matters. as long as you train with it its a non issue.
You forgot about the secondary safety on the Hellcat. There's an internal blocking device in the slide that separates the path of the pin and the bullet primer. The blocking device raises up once you physically depress the trigger.
Thank you for being so thorough, really appreciate reviews like this instead of those that just go simply "shoots good, some will like one some will like the other I like this one personally"
This is the review I've been waiting for...comparing thickness between all sub and micro guns.
I work at a sporting goods store and we’re seriously awaiting to receive some Hellcats in inventory. Definitely want to see how they feel in-hand.
I may prefer one over the other, the choice should be based on which fits your hand better and shoots better for you. It's always good to have options.
I agree i own both guns two different feels trigger wise .
At the 20:40 mark I think you meant to say, "if you have really large hands" rather than "really small hands." Just bought a P365. Love it.
AYSKOFI I shot both and hated the hellcat. I love my 365.
@@JohnMillermmc Why did you hate the Hellcat?
@@harrymackenzie6096 You ever just shoot a gun and your immediate reaction is that's awful? That's how the Hellcat was for both myself and my neighbor. I personally didn't like the grips, but how they felt and how narrow they were. I seriously disliked the feel of the gun and it was just to "snappy" for my comfort. I've since rented a Hellcat again after buying and shooting 1500 rounds through my P365 and I dislike it just as much as I did the first time I ever shot it. It's just not a gun a like.
@@JohnMillermmc ended up with p365. Hellcat is snappy. The gap between the mag and grip bit my pinky!!! It hurts!!!!
I did my research for my first gun and decided to go with the P365XL. The reason picked this gun was, I liked the grip. I liked how my hand wrapped around the grip. I handled my friends Glock and it felt a little gangly to me. But I was truly impressed at the fit and feel of my P365XL.
One big advantage of the 365 is it is a module, I have gotten a 365XL grip and put that on my 365.
John Heater How is that an advantage?
Gene Cardwell its a pretty clear advantage being able to replace the frame. If you ruin the frame of the hellcat the gun is done/junked whereas it can be replaced on the p365.
Ludwig Actually, it’s not. Bye.
Wait you can use the XL frame for the regular p365???
@@Solo-Skywalker yes and it's a fantastic combination
I shot both of these at the range yesterday. The Hellcat has noticably more muzzle flip than the P365. I was hoping that the Hellcat would be my preference but I found myself liking the P365 better. The movement of the trigger on the P365 felt much more smooth as well.
This is an excellent review, I own the Sig 365 and I'm interested in the Springfield Hellcat so this review was very helpful.
Allen is the best, I love his reviews!
When we thought the 365 couldn't be eclipsed, along comes the Hellcat that does it. Great video.
It hasn’t eclipsed anything. It’s just a copy and feels much cheaper. Enjoy your Croatian gun.
Great video brother. Just bought the Hellcat & will run a bunch of rounds through it tomorrow. I chose it over the 365 because it felt better in my hand. Nice little weapon.
P365 shoots better. Hellcat is snappier
As a newbie, I appreciated the unbiased review of both weapons, and after handling both, purchased the Hellcat. Thanks again!
850 rounds through my P365 zero malfunctions...it’s very accurate, and the trigger is breaking in nicely! I swear it’s only like 4 lbs now....Sig is making 15 round mags for it now
My firing pin broke @ 500 rounds .
John Garcez what year was yours manufactured?
2019NRA
John Garcez wow so is mine. It’s concerning that is still happening with new production. What did Sig do and do you still trust it?
Working on it . I'm not going to carry it .
You 100% recommended! This guy is FANTASTIC!👍🏼👍🏼
Excellent review, with one minor proviso for ... "If it drops right on the muzzle (without the built in safeties there's a chance of an accidental discharge)" I believe you mean "if it drops on the rear of the slide.
You know a guy fishes when he says "chartreuse"
I didn't even know chartreuse was a color until I started fishing lol.
@@yeeleng1000 same
Or drinks.
Hahaha first thing i thought when he said that.
Or does drag. Lol.
A great review, on both firearms. Think you for the information on the Hellcat. I've always been a Springfield man. I have found their product line to be very reliable. Never has let me down when in those times were your sidearm was truly needed. Again great review sir.
I’ve had both of these guns (currently still have the Hellcat) I highly recommend both I loved my sig I’ll definitely be getting another
Thank's Allen for the indepth reveue of these weapons it was very informative. It's a shame I live in California, they will not sell the hellcat here.
Shield Arms is now making a 15 round mag for the 43x/48. Still flush fit. Puts it right back into contention. Hard to beat 15 rounds in that small a package. None the less I am interested in the Hellcat.
A. its still taller and wider than either of these with their extended mags in
B. none are in the wild yet. until they ship and some reviews start coming out that say they are GtG they are pixie dust and unicorn farts in my book.
@@killervztwogaming5796 Yes I agree it is taller and a tad wider. but if it functions correctly with the 15-round magazine that'll be two extra rounds. I carry the 43x right now so I'm already used to that. but I'm definitely not going to buy one until they are proven reliable
Side by side the Glock 43x grip is smaller than the p365 with the 15 round magazine. So if the S15 mag works well, it'd be better size to round count ratio than either the P365 or Hellcat.
Having said that, having the option to go smaller in size has a value to it
@@f4rhodesia273 yeah i would choose the 43x with a 15 round flush mag over the 365 or the Hellcat with extended anyday. Proven reliability. But i would love to get a Hellcat. 11 rounds in that short grip is hard to beat
This is a really great and very audible review of two popular Concealed Carry Pistols. Very educational. I have an HS-9 (though not related to this review) and it is also a great pistol. The thing is just that the stiffness of the recoil springs (psi of the slide when you slide it back) of any pistol being reviewed seems to be over-looked. May not be important to some users, but for women, it is. They always need pistols with softer recoil springs so that they can easily rock the slide.
The Hellcat has very stiff springs, compared to other micro 9's. It's why it's so snappy. On the other hand, it's why it can also run 10k rounds of +P, and 20k rounds of regular 9mm, and digest just about any ammo. If a person needs a soft slide, the Shield EZ is there for them.
Thank you, and especially for the G26 comparison.
Outstanding professional review
I own both of these, tough choice picking one in the morning to put in the holster...im partial to the Sig..but feel like I'm betraying the hellcat when I close the safe!! Love shooting the hellcat but the Sig gets better groupings...wish I only had one!
LOVE YOUR REVIEWS BROTHER!
EXCELLENT video, thank you. Only mistake I noticed is you say small hands, when you meant big hands. Well dine and very informative, answering all the questions I had!
Great video! I was in the store looking at the 43x, p365 and hellcat. Went out with the hellcat. Love it!
Can't wait to see what Beretta, S&W, CZ, Walther, HK, and Ruger come up with when their "p365-like" guns come out. Next two years will be super interesting.
I agree.... it’s a great time to be in the shooting sports
Honestly I've seen these and they looked interesting but I kind of decided that my shield was good enough. I've got magguts followers to get about the same capacity in exchange for a bit more height and a bit less thickness with the longer mags. I don't like the dangly pinky effect so i haven't gotten used to the flush mags and I'm in a restricted state so neither of these new guns actually give me more capacity. Would be nice to see thin double stacks but I'd be more interested if they changed the shapes of the guns instead and gave us a better undercut so we could get a full grip with less grip length.
The Hellcat is in fact just a rebranded HK(edit:HS in fact) H11. That's why the Hellcat is made in Croatia.
Every nice review. I have the P366 and I'm really pleased with it. I have the Hellcat on order. You just gained a new subscriber.
I bought a blue label Sig Sauer P365 about a month or so ago. Some things I like about it and other things I don’t. I don’t own a Springfield Armory Hellcat yet but do plan on buying one in the near future.
Held a hell at today felt good in my hands and I really liked the sights
Hellcat
@@sla6971 the darkness lmao
At 19:42, "if you have really small hands, these might be too small for you..." I think you mean large hands. I do and they are. Excellent review.
Two points: 1) The Hellcat is 11+1 and 13+1. The video stated 12 rounds and 13 rounds. 2) The significance of the firing pin of the Hellcat is a shovel type stub, and not like the pin point pin that could break with extreme use. The pin on the Hellcat is more durable.
Thanks,i was wondering about that
Also, the 11 comes with a pinky extension.
Own both. Like both. Both go pew pew rather nice!
Exactly!
I wanted the 365 in FDE but it was an nra so I passed on it and opted for the regular black.
Came across the hellcat in FDE ! Snagged that right up!
I love the inclusion of the 26 since that is an option for me right now. Comparing the Hellcat to the G26 is interesting with Glock support and price compared to the Hellcat. Guess we'll see when the Hellcat is ever available.
Very nice video it helped me a lot to decide, actually it was so hard to decide I bought both of them LOL I do not regret my purchase. Thank you very much for your video!!
Yes indeed. How many bullets does one need. As a LEO it would make sense as a backup when the primary fails. For off duty LEOs it would make sense if they had to back up on duty cops or be the primary first responder on a situation where they have no choice but to act. For civilians 13 rounds plus is convenient because no extra mag needs to be carried. But dealing with the weight of the extra rounds which is two normal magazines with other compact pistols could be a deal breaker depending on individual preference and application
This is a really thorough review of the Hellcat. The only issue I have is they built all this hype for the gun and there is no availability of the pistol. There are people waiting on the list 5 and 9 people long. They receive one gun every two weeks. I may end up just getting the p365 because I'm tired of waiting on the hellcat.
Note that the Hellcat's mag release is closer to the rear of the frame. Better control for the those with shorter thumbs.
Very good comparison!! From an old wheel gun carry guy...looking for more capacity.
These reviews are "must see tv" for sure. I'm looking forward to trying out the Hellcat. I want to see how those sights work for me.
Fantastic review. Thank you!
You have the best intro I’ve ever seen on TH-cam
Really like your input on these, I'm partial to the HELLCAT, but I like the the sites on the XD, but that's just me, thx for the vid.
Sights.....sites are areas of one type or another 👍⚠️
@@mrdiplomat9018 well you can blame that on my spell check on my phone, it do's that sometimes, of course I'm a millineal ( not really) so it's not my fault, it's the phone I swear, lol.
Thanks for an interesting review-the black shirt turned the presentation into a gun disappearance magic act.
Thank God he is white😂🤣😂
They’re so close I feel like you should just rent one at the range and try them out. Went with the hellcat myself because the difference was negligible and the extra round plus the not goody looking 15 round mag made me go with the hellcat. The 15 round mag extension makes the hellcat feel better in hand than everything I own but my VP9.
I held a new Hellcat yesterday. I didn’t buy it as it relies on the magazine for my pinky. I’ve never liked this. It was one of the reasons I sold the P365 to be able to get the P365XL. I also gave my Glock 43 to my daughter as she has tiny hands, and got the new Glock 43X. I passed on the Glock 48 as I already have a Glock 19 and didn’t want a skinny one, lol. But the P365XL and G43X are comparable and I liked them both, so I bought both of them. I’ve seen the tests done on the Hellcat and I know it’s great and reliable and I know the P365 is too because I owned on. But I just don’t like relying on a magazine for my pinky. Matter of fact, that’s the same reason I sold my Kimber Solo years back. Thanks for the video though!
It seems like the SIG's "light firing pin" is a passive safety while the Springfield's "more traditional" two-piece trigger safety is more of an active safety (better).
Very good comparison, thank you.
i may have missed it but you touched on almost everything except the fact that the springfield has a longer guide rod that actually extends past the end of the slide
I own my P365 for a bit a more than 2 years now, practicing almost once a week. I had a chance trying out the Hellcat, but really wouldn't own one. My reasons: first of all, the trigger on the SIG is way more pleasant; while the hellcat wants a real push, the SIG goes smooth, what gives (at least for me) higher accuracy; especially shooting at 20 or 25 yards. I also have a preference for the sights on the P365 (again in regards of accuracy). Last but not least, the haptic of the SIG is great, at least as far as I as a women with small hands, may consider it. (this is a very personal point of view, and I do not consider it as a disregard for the Hellcat, which is almost a Siamese brother to SIG)
Are you talking about the Hellcat Gen 1 or Gen 2 trigger?
wow... fantastic review. very informative.
The way you slide in magazines is so cool ~ ~ ~
I’m hoping to get the hell cat when the price goes down a bit and possible extra magazine deal.
JusticeAA yeah I saw that price of $499 at my local sportsman warehouse. But that you can’t beat that free mag rebate. They normally give you 4 extra magazines and mag pouch, that over $120 worth of stuff, I would pay full MSRP for that.
Your review helped me decide to go with the Sig P365. Thank you!
Thank you. Great channel & review. I did get the Glock 26 gen 4 first. The big difference for me is the Glock 26 feels & shoots more firm & stable, as there is more weight. I shoot the Glock 26 better than the Glock 19. Why, I do not not know. They are all great in their own right. Take care-God bless. Shawn.
The P-365 all the way. I live in a 10-round max state. I used to carry the Bodyguard in the summer. A Glock 19 in the winter. they are retired. All of the guns that you showed are fantastic and reliable.
Helpful review. I favor the Hellcat and the G26.
When in doubt, buy both
I love the Hellcat. Snappy pistol like my Glock. With the optics it makes it almost a perfect CCW pistol.
Perfect review loved it , i also have both guns and love then both . What i can say is although the guns are similar they have two different feels with the trigger action .
It would have been an almost perfect show if the background of the object is lighter in color, just for contrast easy clear to see. Thanks for the info, Pls keep up, we'll watch.
Grip angle? Being a Glock guy, I'm use to their more common grip angle. The first thing I noticed when picking up the 365 was the more 1911 style grip angle, so when I quickly sighted the gun, my sight picture was a little off. Nothing that can't altered with training and learning new muscle memory, but something I personally didn't care for as I'd like to keep this consistent with my carry guns.
BTW, living in a ridiculous lefty state (CT), I'm legally limited to 10 rounds or less, so I generally will not purchase carry guns that were designed for >10 rounds since I am generally paying for wasted space and capacity in the neutered version I will get. For this reason I'm hoping this new gun will be offered in a 10 round .357 Sig or .40 S&W to utilize the mag area I would otherwise have lost in the 9mm version of this hellcat... Probably wishful thinking on my part!
You most likely will not see larger calibers in these guns.
Ur only option for 357SIG (I'm a big fan) in a polymer single stack, is S&W M&P Shield M2.0 with TR Enabling 357 conversation barrel. I'm considering doing this with the new Performance Center 4" barrel 40cal Shield once the 357SIG barrel is available.
Sarcastically speaking, you could always move to a more friendly state......that or start hanging tyrants in your state capitol.
Was wondering what is the serialized part of each gun ? Good review as always.
Two black guns, black background and a dark shirt. My old eyes are begging for mercy!
Lol at least he's not Eddie Murphy
Trae UCity I thought the same thing, you can barely make out which gun is which let along see what he is commenting on. Guys when you do a gun video make sure your viewers can see what the heck you’re talking about. I stopped the video in the middle, it was just to dark to see the difference between the two.
Agreed, I can see well enough so I didn’t feel I needed to stop watching but I agree. A contrasting background would be better! 👍🏻
Good Catch, I agree with you. If you want people to see you, you need to dress like someone from the Democratic party. Dress like a clown. The shirt is dark green.
de Jay--- ooooooooohhh. 💥😂
Good cameras, good lighting - black background, black shirt = can't see the guns anyway. but the reflections here and there off of them are crystal clear!
The 365 fits just as good in your hand with the 12 round mag....handles recoil better...has better sights .... and it’s made in America. It also has better serrations as in deeper
Springfield was smart by waiting to bring this gun to the market. They looked at the EXCEPTIONAL SIG p365 and made the Hellcat.. A LITTLE BETTER .. I shot a Hellcat today it was excellent..
HEY GLOCK!!!!!!!!!!!! look what they did with the mags this IS what the 43x needs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shield arms makes a 15 rounder for the 43x . Without an extension. Check it out
@@jeremyb0793 have they shipped any yet? They were taking preorders, but i am yet to see a review on YT
@@pupfriend I don't think so they were supposed to start shipping this month
@@jeremyb0793 cool, looking forward to seeing some reviews when released. If Shield does this right, they will absolutely explode.
@@pupfriend absolutely I'll buy a couple
Nice comparison review. I chose the 43X with Shield Arms mags. I hope Shield Arms can get a few more rounds in my Glock 43 too, they say they’re working on it. Because pocket carry is very comfortable thing, and I already have a 43 too. Yeah, I’m a Glocktard. I drank a full cup of the Kool-aid. 😉
excellent comparison!
Good review! Appreciated!
Excellent video sir,my advice.no matter if ur a pro or just getting into shooting.compare until u find the weapon u like and feel comfortable with.u can base it on looks,price and manufacture.at the end of the day,pick what works for u.with today’s technology and CNC machines,most weapons are created fairly equal.just because one brand doesn’t work for u,doesn’t warrant a bad review.experienced shooters could take a weapon from the top 5 players and we could make it work.whatever u choose,marry that weapon,make it ur new best friend.shoot as often as u can afford.take care of it,and it will take care of u.a saying that I live by,be wary of that man that owns only one handgun👍
Good comparison video. I think I’ll be buying the SIG soon.
Nice tutorial/video, I have all three Sig P365's, and the new Springfield Armory Hellcat, and I have to say they are all fantastic EDC guns, reliable completely accurate and easy to carry, the extra magazines are small enough I can carry one as an extra sideways on my belt in an elastic mag. carrier and never know it was there, the Sig has 10,12, and 15 round mags, the Hellcat 11 and 13, I never feel under gunned with any of these guns, again thanks for doing this video on these models...
Although it a subcompact like the Glock 26, rather than a microcompact, I would have liked to have seen how the Springfield XDs 3.3" sizes up next to the Hellcat. For some reason, the Hellcat appears much burlier than the P365 even though you showed them to be almost identical. Good video. Thanks.
It's the more square, blocky appearance of the slide compared to the more rounded one on the Sig gives the appearance of being bulkier though it isn't. It's interesting.
Good review. Appreciate the detailed visuals of the sizing comparison. So many options to choose from in the sub compact.
I don’t own a Sig or a Springfield so no bias but it’s funny how numbers don’t when it comes to dimensions but it matters for magazine capacity. The Springfield is fatter on the grip in order to get the extra round
Great info! Thanks! I have a P365...I am very happy with it. The Hellcat looks very nice, too!
Manny Rodriguez how much are they
@@jasonshafer2768 I bought mine almost two years ago for almost 600 (taxes included) here in NJ. 12 rd mag illegal here. They can be found cheaper now. I'm talking about the P365.
@Frank Bonazza III, very good deal!
Great video
Great review. Curious what you think of the 365 SAS.
I have fired both of these two guns side by side. If I were blindfolded I would not have been able to tell the difference.
In use, the HC sights are easier to acquire. The 365 was a bet more accurate but not until 50 ft.
The HC will no doubt be the better value because Springfield will likely put together a nice package.
I own neither of these but do have an SAS on order.
If you buy either one of these guns, you win. Both are excellent.
Good review 👍🏿
I got the Hellcat with the optics ready slide for about an extra $40 and it was still less expensive than the SIG.
I usually make the mistake of upgrading right before what I really wanted to have comes out. Bought a single stack Sig right before the LC9 came out. Bought the LC9 right before the LC9s came out. Then bought the LC9s right before the SIG365 came out. Now the only reason I haven't bought the 365 is that money is a little tight this summer. Makes me wonder what is going to come out when I get the Hellcat?
do you consider a firearms just like an Electronic Gadgets that you must have to update every time they release a new model? Like Iphone and Galaxy mobile phones?
@@jerichoervingdebelen2173 No, I usually upgrade my firearm more than my phone. In all seriousness. I am not searching for the ultimate (because there isn't ever going to be such a thing). But I am trying to find for myself a singular pistol that personally fits me in a blend for capacity, carry ability, personal accuracy. If I could mix the profile of my LC9s with the trigger pull and capacity of my XD Sub Compact I would take it. But everything is a trade off, though either one of these options looks like they fulfill my needs. I was being slightly sarcastic when wondering what the next evolution would be. like something in .45 carrying 15 rounds but fits in the profile of a LCP. :)
@@peterhessedal8539 it's going to take time lord technology to make that 45.
@@theumpteenthtime8854 Yeah exactly
I buy every new pistol that comes out also... The only compact pistol I’ve kept is the P365.
Great comparison, thanks.
I think at the end you meant if we have really big hands they're too small
..the Hellcat with a thicker grip....trust me you want that ....it's my main carry ...and I've no issues with the Sig P365 ...other than the Hellcat comes with night sites ...and a wee bit more ammo capacity....choose your carry , but keep it safe ...ps great review ..👍
At the en you did a small The steak. You said, if you have small hands this might be a small gun for you. Or something down the line that that. In the other hand I greatly appreciate all the information provided.
Excellent and detailed comparison and overview! Clearly you know your firearms and I appreciate your bringing out the Glock 26 and 43x. A couple things I took away - first, the Sig comes with true night sight capable sights (3-dot) vs. the Hellcat. Second, the Sig has a fiber optic front sight insert that picks up sunlight, and third, that Hellcat rear sight is (to me) pretty funky. However, optics ready on the OSP model is interesting. Next, US made vs. non-US made. Third, interesting to see the size difference between the Hellcat and the P365 - although not much, for pocket or ankle carry, the P365 is exceptional and I wonder if that extra bit makes a difference. I loved the P365 so much I own two "gen 2" models - one configured for pocket carry and one with the extra capacity mags for IWB. I carry them both quite a bit in that configuration, and I carry the pocket gun even at home (why not, it's tiny). I've run the P365 through USPSA type speed drills (th-cam.com/video/jt0iAubdvvM/w-d-xo.html&t) and it is extremely manageable. Last thing I noted - your comparisons really did highlight (to me) that Glock really has lost in all of this... The G26 used to be my go-to for deep double stack concealment and I carried a Kahr CM9 for ankle/pocket. The Sig P365 has easily replaced them all. I'm not a fan of Springfield, though I love my TRP. I've had a few problems with my Saint Edge MSR - so my vote goes w/the Sig P365. THANK YOU for a great review!!!
I decided to dress up my glock 26 (night sights) and a new owb holster (bravo concealment) for about 1/3rd the price. Also picked up an extra 17 Rd spare mag with x-grips for the 15 and 17 mags. Only thing that would excite me is the osp ready...