@@keavo_1646 it doesn’t make it a guaranteed no foul, like if someone went studs up into someone’s ankle after barely touching the ball, that doesn’t make them immune.
just cuz u get the ball doesnt mean its not a foul. he got the ball but then followed through on his ankle and swept it from underneath him. its just like how garza got a red against ny after he hit the ball but then followed through on the player
Lil PotatoMateo I agree... he sweeps the leg keeping the player from continuing the play. Not sure about the Bedoya red, but the second one is justified. I expect major fines coming down from disco.
If you get the ball, before making contact it isn't a foul, unless you go in with excessive force that endangers the safety of an opponent. No penalty should have been called on Auston Trusty.
"Refs should have a higher tolerance" "If its not a yellow to a player..." Seriously? Can we get some refs in here. You can literally google the laws of the game and cite law 12 to see why both the players were sent off. Abuse of refs is a huge problem in the game. Both those reds were correct and the Union should get a fine for mass confrontation.
I have to agree. Chest bumping a ref without ANY verbiage is cause for dismissal. As for Bedoya's 2nd, he had already committed a professional foul. One that pretty much left him in "orange" status. What possessed him to even THINK he could commit another gamesmanship infraction?
What gets me about the commentators saying he must have said something is that it shows they dont know the laws. Dissent by word or action is the law. You can google these things. Law 12.3
There was no chest bump if you watch closely, just a brush of the hand...the chest bump is just the MLS talking point to make an excuse for a consistently poorly performing referee. No one seems to remember that Medunjanin had a Stoica red card reversed on an opponent last year after correcting Stoica on the field. Or that the VAR referee has never worked as a 1st official. MLS will never be a top their league without proper officiating and that is proven week to week.
If you had seen 5 minutes before the Pk. The ref had told multiple times to the players to get out of he box and then he walks back into it ... like come on you already have a yellow, why are you playing around.
As a neutral I have to agree. And I do think this was a PK. Sorry, "getting the ball" does not justify going through the player. Ever. Anywhere. And while I get wanting to get in a PK taker's head, Bedoya should know better than to be the one doing it when he's on a yellow.
Yup I agree like John pointed out he was at the game and he pointed out that the ref had warned #11 to stop and he ignored it and he was standing on a yellow so good call by the ref
Shawn Gillogly same I'm very neutral in soccer and I always watch plays closely to try to be as neutral as possible but personally I'm an LAFC fan and I don't like the way they play
With Bedoya's second yellow, what is not seen on the broadcast but live was the mob dissent to the ref after the penalty call lead by Bedoya, Medunjanin & Trusty along with some others. They surrounded the ref pushing him around with their chests not allowing him to move the game forward. He had to get real aggressive with them to move them out of the penalty area. That's when Bedoya decided push things further and step back into the area and it cost him. The ref at that point was pushed to his limit and had to respond.
This pair are useless - the first one was a penalty because of the careless action of the defender pulling the leg out from under the attacker in the challenge. He could have poked the ball through without doing that, but he didn't. Penalty any day, anywhere.
actually they're right. soccer is a contact sport. thats why the rule states (as they said) if u make contact w the ball before making contact w a man, it isnt a foul. the game allows for lots of contact. there are just rules around it. what u say the defender shudda done is near impossible to pull off in the heat of a game. what the defender did do was follow through w his intention to win the ball and not play the man. which he did. which is the most u can ask of a defender in that position. and the ref blew the call. refs are just getting worse and worse it seems.
tripsr4kids if u come in from the front yes but he’s come from behind there is very little ball contact and he clearly swings his leg in a way which caused the attacker to go down, clear penalty
Did you hear what they said? They saw the defender get ball first, because it bounced before the defender made contact with the player. You could make the argument that it was a careless challenge, but I could also make the argument that the striker was careless in possession (to have the ball stuck under his feet).
Saying refs should have a high tolerance is only exasperating the problem. The number of officials giving up due to abuse both physical and verbal is staggering. Stamp down on this at the highest levels and help us at the lower leagues
Can we get people who just know the rules I'm no pro but these two flip flop their judgment every week and are never consistent you can take a word they say because they will literally say the rule says blank but I think it's not blank the whole point of this show should not be opinion based it should be based on the rules of the game and how it was called on the field
So a few weeks ago you guys claimed Josef Martinez’s goal should’ve been disallowed because he made a move and accidentally clipped a guy’s foot. But this week someone whacks his foot in the process of trying to hit the ball and it’s not supposed to be a foul. Y’all are officially just making this up as you go.
These clowns sound like they’re describing the match as told to them by someone on the train into work that morning who themselves had only previously read about soccer on Wikipedia. It’s embarrassing.
Miggy Santos: You are incorrect. If the contact with the player is incidental to contact with the ball, and not excessive, then the referee MAY conclude it does not justify a foul. Not must. But that contact was not incidental. The ONLY way he wins that ball is by going through Josef's legs. That means whether he got the ball 1st or 2nd is irrelevant, he could not have avoided foul contact with the player, therefore it's a PK.
@JohnGlue Nor should have he. He attempted a legal tackle. He simply got too much of the player in the attempt. It's a foul. But not egregious. It didn't deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity. So yes, a foul. But not excessive force, reckless, or endangering the player. So no card.
You guys are so inconsistent. We all know you don't need the ball to earn a pen.... a foul in the box on the offensive player is a pen. Andrew your dead wrong.
Totally agree, the tackle was with studs up, two legs into the player. If he hadn't jumped he could have broken his leg, but of course that isn't a foul according to these two stupid morons because he didn't have the ball...
Bedoya must have been banking on the fact that the ref wouldn't essentially send him off for not listening and delaying the game longer when everyone was already warned. Players and commentators/analysts need to stop thinking that 1st and 2nd yellows should have different thresholds to be given. If he was just given a first yellow for this, they would just say yea he delayed and can be given a yellow. Since it was his 2nd yellow they start to question and scrutinize everything about it. Maybe they should question Bedoya's intelligence to do this to his team in this situation. Stop trying to give players more room to show dissent without punishment when dissent is rampant throughout all leagues.
Yes, “but I got the ball” is a player and coach-fueled myth that just won’t die for some reason. The result of coaches that don’t know the rules very well creating players whose knowledge of the LOTG is half experiential, half urban legend. You can, literally, execute a perfect slide tackle, come up with the ball, and foul your opponent in the process.
These guys don't remember FIFA's new rules on tackle fouls. It USED to be that if you got the ball first, you could essentially rip a guys leg off of his body with no foul. That changed like 5 years ago. Now, it doesn't matter if you get the ball first. If you tackle THROUGH a player, then its still a foul.
Imagine thinking it can’t be a penalty because the player who was fouled lost the ball? So by his logic you can just kick someone off the ball but because the attacker doesn’t have the ball it’s not a penalty😂
"because he got the ball first, it shouldn't have been a foul." NO. There is literally nothing in the law book that states if you get the ball first, its not a foul. For the play in question, the defender got the ball first, then tripped the opposing player by taking out his right leg. This is a foul! Also, if you're on a yellow and step into the arc specifically to delay a penalty, you are an idiot. Get a teammate who isnt on a yellow to do it. Second yellow totally deserved.
The foul call on Martinez was the right one considering it's fron the Ref's view. Mendunjanin - his sending off was totally justified. Regardless of what a ref does you have to control yourself. Rules have toughened up on dissent.
I'm always waiting to see the reviews on the calls made in games that SKC play in, but in the game yesterday I felt like the referee crew did a great job. I didn't have to think about them during the match and was able to just enjoy the game. It was a pretty nice feeling for once.
GlassSword I agree. As an SKC fan I felt that was the best refed game of the season for us. Ref kept cards in pocket unless it was obviously a yellow. No bad missed offside calls for both teams. Just a nice ref and a nice game
This has to be the worst episode I've seen. Why does youtube keep recommending me these and why don't I learn to watch these muted... 1st: Just cause you touch the ball doesn't mean you can trip the opposing player who actually didn't really lose the possession of the ball. That should be a penalty every time. 2nd: Could've been a good second yellow, could've been a light one. The point is you don't know what was said nor do you show the whole thing. 3rd: "Ref's should take." BS. So fucking much BS. If the guy is still in your face after you show the first yellow, don't bother with the second. Go for straight red - that's complitely fine by the laws of the game. 4th: Handball. Are you sure one of you wasn't supposed to say that the hand was in natural position or the ball came so quickly that he didn't have time to react? Cause now you actually agreed and made a decission. GG, one out of ten isn't that bad... 5th: Why "agree to disagree" without any other reasoning than "I feel like it because I played as defender once"? If the defender times it right the guy isn't running into his shoulder, he should be running to his back. Now the defender clearly instigates the contact to a players chest. 6th: Where can I get myself a pair of those X-ray glasses? Or you've got that CSI photo enhancing software? Cause to me there's like one white pixel I could imagine being the ball visible between the arm and the body. There's no way to tell if it hits the arm. 7th: How come there isn't a great camera angle to a potential foul that happens in the box without really any players blocking any angles? What's the point in the VAR again... Not you're problem, and points to you for actually mentioning this. 8th: Clear pen for you, for me and for the ref. Wow. 9th: It isn't a foul because the player isn't in possession anymore?! That doesn't mean it's not a foul. That means the defender is coming in late which just makes it more of a foul. The weird accent you have makes it sound like you say "agree to disgree" instead of "Oh right, you've got a point. I was wrong." Which is what I assume you ment to say given that there's no way in hell that's not a foul. 10th: VAR? No? Clear error on a potential pk decision. I tought these were supposed to be reviewable. But hey, at least you understand why the ref didn't blow his whistle. Care to enlighten us rest? 11th: If only there was somekind of a magic wand that you could use to kinda draw a line matching the place of the defender and attacker... But I guess "I feel like it could've been" is good too.
Red cards: 100% deserved. Philly were being babies about the penalty. I thought the yellow for delaying the PK was lame, but it's technically the right call. It's a super strict call but it's the right call... Weird, it's almost like getting in refs faces doesn't help you!! Since when does screaming at people make them not like you?!
I'm an Atlanta fan and I agree on the first one. There wasn't enough for a view and for a person watching the game it clearly looked like a PK even if the call was wrong it's a tough call and the Philly's overreacted
You should not get a second yellow for delaying a restart? No. You should get it. There is no first vs second yellow distinction in the laws of the game. And if Bedoya going to be that stupid, then he earned it.
The rules are the rules, first yellow or second doesn't matter-the yellow card offenses are clearly listed and intentionally interfering with a re-start is one of them. Two appropriate rulings on the second incident as well, yellow for dissent then another yellow/red for the physical contact with the referee.
I’m a red. I bloody hate it when players crowd me and I have some tolerance. Shouting can be calmed down. However. When it is consistent a booking or sending off is allowed and sometimes needed
warshaw you are a joke. you make these reviews so hard to watch, your blatant bias (i know you admin that you have one) and lack of willingness to learn is one of the main reasons why people prefer simon. this is your job, do some research on the laws and update your views accordingly. for instance: 1) atl game: where in the LOTG does it say if you get some of the ball first there is no foul??? just because you get the ball does not mean that a foul was not committed. 2) defender bias: he isnt stepping toward the ball he is stepping in front of/into the path of the player while the ball is moving away. the ball is 2-3 yards away when contact is made this is an obstruction/charge. 3) bedoya second yellow: dissent is by word OR ACTION. if he informed both teams to stay outside the the area and D, and he blatantly walked in and bent to fix his guards, then that is a form of dissent. then you pull a 180 and nail it when you say things like: "it sounds like you're telling me it matters that he misses, even though he clearly got fouled... just because he whiffs the ball doesn't mean you can come in and slide tackle him" and i honestly think that this is the part that bugs me the most, when you have bits of spot on recognition mixed in to a landslide of nonsense.
the defender steps into the path of the attacker, the contact is made with the shoulder into the attackers chest, perpendicular to the path of the ball. if the defender was moving with the ball or at more of an diagonal toward the path of the ball and did that then i could see your point, however he didnt. just look at the defender's head when he goes into that challenge, he has no idea where the ball is, he is just trying to stop the progress of the attacker, he is not making a play on the ball. based on your and bobby's view impeding would be the call. law 12 - impeding: "Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player. All players have a right to their position on the field of play; being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent. A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent."
If you get the ball, before making contact it isn't a foul, unless you go in with excessive force that endangers the safety of an opponent. No penalty should have been called on Auston Trusty.
The bigger issue is he doesn’t really get the ball. He taps it a little bit but doesn’t get it away from Martinez. If he doesn’t clip Martinez then there would have probably been a shot on goal.
The argument that something may be worthy of a yellow but not a second yellow, or that a something may be a foul, but just not in the box is illogical. A foul is a foul by referees discretion and his interpretation of the rules. That's his job. Not to selectively decide which fouls are "fair" enough to give and wont change the outcome of the game
imo there is foul. The defender gets the ball, ok, but then he gets Martinez's ankle. Getting the ball doesn't justify getting the opponent. Red cards justified, Bedoya stupidly playing with the ref's nerves, and Medunjanin definitely deserves that redcard for his unprofessional behaviour
Mendunjanin was yelling at the ref and started chest bumping him and by his head movements looked like he was trying the soccer players' headbutt.. Any contact with an official should be an instant red card.
Ref should’ve allowed the penalty to go, if the player scored then continue. If the player missed, let them retake because he went into the Semi Circle. Situation sorted 🤷♂️
Okay, first of all; Please remove that music in the background and just talk nicely and naturally! This isn't Fox News, have more class!!! Second, about the second yellow and therefore red card. As you guys say, if it's for bad language, then no problem, the player should behave. But if it's because he is inside of the distance, then it's still a no-brainer for me. The player stands outside the distance when the ball is placed at the spot, but THEN he moves inside the distance with the ONLY purpose to delay the PK. That HAS to be a yellow card for delaying the restart of the game, and eny referee that does not do it, is mishandling the guidelines for the "referee in play" manual guided by FIFA, and are therefore wrong! No doubt. The player should behave as a PROFESSIONAL adult, not a kindergarden child who can't get his favorite toy.....
Srsly boys you've made a fool out of yourselves with this one. A) Easy pen. B) Going into the or penalty area or arc during a pen is a yellow card. C) ThErE sHoUlD bE a HiGh ThReShOlD oF wHaT a ReFeReE iS wIlLiNg tO tAkE. And people wonder why there aren't many new refs coming into the game.
I have no issue with the penalty call. But, trying to explain away the 2nd red card is ridiculous. It does not matter that players around the world encroach into the penalty arc to "delay the kick". When people wonder why fans are fed up with some of the ridiculous crap soccer players pull, this is a classic example. FIFA rules exist for a reason. The fact that referee's fail to enforce the laws of the game has allowed a sort of "mind creep of ignorance" to set in. Yellow card was indicated and given. The fact that Bedoya, already on notice with an earlier yellow card, failed to understand his predictament and placed himself in a bad position. Let's quit trying to "nuance" or "justify" calls. Violate the law, pay the price.
Bobby doesn't know what he is talking about. If you a doing any form of dissent (yelling at the ref) you get a yellow. If you continue you could possibly get a 2nd yellow. Good call by the ref. In the galaxy-timber game, the defender does not play the ball.
First of, thats a penalty but for sure. You can't just tap the ball and smack down your opponent and get away with it. That's a penalty. The guy walking into the penalty box can be awarded yellow for timeplay, all in the referees freedom of ruling this game. All correct. The one complaining completly lost his mind and can be happy about not receiving a direct red card.
God I hate this narrative American commentators seem to have where they think a second yellow should have different rules to a first. If it's a yellow card infringement, it should be given as such. He's inside the D which is a yellow card offence. The fact he's on a yellow is completely irrelevant. Also, piss off. Yelling at a referee should be a straight red.
He ref in the Philly Atlanta game did brilliant. I don't really watch mls but i know the rules just so you know. The tackle was dangerous and not done correctly, correct decision penalty. Then the reds, he had all right to give the yellow and red for the time wasting player because he has been told, didn't move and then recivied punishment. He was trying to make Martinez second guesz where to go. The reaction I personally was surprised it wasn't a straight red, that is not how you should react as a professional.
What happened to Simon Borg? The two jokers running this video are complete dolts. Every single foul/infraction shown here is perfectly justified. These jokers have no clue what they're talking about.
I have a really hard time believing Andrew and Bobby are giving their real opinions in these videos. They are so scripted and read with unnatural emphasis from a teleprompter. They agree half the time and disagree half the time. They're trying to make an entertaining show, but they are ruining a good thing. Just tell me your actual opinion and try to learn the laws of the game forward and backward like the refs have to so you can give an educated opinion. Can we get Simon Borg back, pretty please??
Where did they get Andrew and Bobby? They don't know how to properly apply the rules. Whether or not Bedoya's second yellow was for delaying the restart or not. He still cannot stand inside the arc to make Martínez wait to take the penalty. By rule he delayed the restart of the game by going into the arc, so he deserved a yellow card for it. Just cause it happens all over the world and refs don't call it does not make it ok to do.
I’m an Atlanta fan and I think Philly deserved the cards. Absolutely childish and very unprofessional, disgusting. But, the first red wasn’t deserved though.
Guys, guys, guys, at 7:20 it is embarrassing to say the attacking player is NOT offside. A good referee should be able to call that regardless how close it is. Anyway, play on!
Atlanta has a 2 man advantage for 70 minutes and only scores one goal in the run of play? And also lets one in? That game should have been 6-0. Ask an SKC fan..........
Both calls right from the ref. Absolutely a penalty he didn't win the ball he took the opponent on the ground clear pk what r these guys r talking about on national tv???
When will you get it into your heads, just because he got the ball, if his reckless action continues to then strike a player from behind and brings them down off the ball, it is still a free kick!
American footballers and referees as so ugly and disrespectful, I hope MLS will get better, the league is good but still a long way to go, best wishes fellas!
Seriously this whole show is talking about the refs calls, and how great they are slowing down the game. This is why American soccer is so fucked on the world stage.
All these people that say it isn’t a pen just because he didn’t have great control of the ball or he got the ball are just haters and it’s bs first off who cares how Josef had the ball he had possession second it has to be significant contact which wins possession without going through the player
This two americans hv no clue what he comment all about. U need to comment on football.. the worldwide football. Not the american football that playing by hand. Lol
No matter what you shouldn't get in the referees face even if you don't like the call. The second guy deserved that red card (3:00) and it was justified.
Honestly the ref who refed the Atlanta game and gave two yellows and a red I would do the same. I am a referee and well if I card a player for descent and they don't leave I'm going to card them again and send them off.
I’m an American so don’t attack me when I say this but these American commentators are absolutely clueless Let’s get some former refs commentating and see how that goes
My god these refs are worse than the ones in the lower leagues I england,I am surprised no one has gone and punched some of them as I won't take that bull
"If its something you would give a card for saying to another player, then you should be given the same consequence" theres no official rule stating a player can get sent off from swearing at another player, there is however a rule against abusive language towards the referee, which can be seen as a red card, these americans get on my nerves so much when it comes to football, (or fucking soccer)
Actually, the Law regarding sending off offenses (Law 12) states that "us[ing] Offensive, Insulting, or Abusive language or gestures" is sufficient to be sent off with a straight red. Now, the level determines what could be construed as Offensive, Insulting, or Abusive. In matches like MLS, probably not alot can be said or done (gestures) that would merit a sending, aside from remarks regarding things like race, gender, etc.
Good thing match decisions are made by logic/objectively and not by feelings. Seeing some comments and if some of u were refs a lot of mess would just slip by. Ref did ok.
Only one double yellow was justified I understand that #11 should not have been in the half circle but it shouldn't have been a yellow but in the case of #9 (#7 idk I forgot) got in the refs face, he got a yellow. He continued and got a second Yellow and a red, very brave thing the ref did, but the first was wrong
The thing they dont show is the continued delay of of the penalty and the warning the ref already gave out to players to get them out of the box Everyone keeps saying "should of been a warning" he already gave the warning clear as day, the player asked for it
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Jesus Christ, even the commentary on the other fouls is inane. Do you guys really get paid for this?
Forgive them... They are american
Bingo. More idiots saying that touching the ball first makes it not a foul.
@@jheetoe-bee5711 it .....isn’t though haha
@@keavo_1646 it doesn’t make it a guaranteed no foul, like if someone went studs up into someone’s ankle after barely touching the ball, that doesn’t make them immune.
just cuz u get the ball doesnt mean its not a foul. he got the ball but then followed through on his ankle and swept it from underneath him. its just like how garza got a red against ny after he hit the ball but then followed through on the player
Lil PotatoMateo I agree... he sweeps the leg keeping the player from continuing the play. Not sure about the Bedoya red, but the second one is justified. I expect major fines coming down from disco.
If you get the ball, before making contact it isn't a foul, unless you go in with excessive force that endangers the safety of an opponent. No penalty should have been called on Auston Trusty.
They change their minds from week to week.
Yomi F not true. If the other player still has position like Martinez did the contact is still a foul.
Jason has a point. The touch isn’t enough to get the ball away from Martinez. If he doesn’t clip him Martinez has a shot on goal
"Refs should have a higher tolerance" "If its not a yellow to a player..."
Seriously? Can we get some refs in here. You can literally google the laws of the game and cite law 12 to see why both the players were sent off. Abuse of refs is a huge problem in the game. Both those reds were correct and the Union should get a fine for mass confrontation.
Chris these two are morons.
I have to agree. Chest bumping a ref without ANY verbiage is cause for dismissal. As for Bedoya's 2nd, he had already committed a professional foul. One that pretty much left him in "orange" status. What possessed him to even THINK he could commit another gamesmanship infraction?
Alison Marie or just former officials...
What gets me about the commentators saying he must have said something is that it shows they dont know the laws. Dissent by word or action is the law. You can google these things. Law 12.3
There was no chest bump if you watch closely, just a brush of the hand...the chest bump is just the MLS talking point to make an excuse for a consistently poorly performing referee. No one seems to remember that Medunjanin had a Stoica red card reversed on an opponent last year after correcting Stoica on the field. Or that the VAR referee has never worked as a 1st official. MLS will never be a top their league without proper officiating and that is proven week to week.
If you had seen 5 minutes before the Pk. The ref had told multiple times to the players to get out of he box and then he walks back into it ... like come on you already have a yellow, why are you playing around.
Yep and most people only saw the TV feed which did not show any of that .
As a neutral I have to agree. And I do think this was a PK. Sorry, "getting the ball" does not justify going through the player. Ever. Anywhere. And while I get wanting to get in a PK taker's head, Bedoya should know better than to be the one doing it when he's on a yellow.
Yes that's what I was going to point out, he stood right in front of Martinez for a good while it just didn't show it on tv
Yup I agree like John pointed out he was at the game and he pointed out that the ref had warned #11 to stop and he ignored it and he was standing on a yellow so good call by the ref
Shawn Gillogly same I'm very neutral in soccer and I always watch plays closely to try to be as neutral as possible but personally I'm an LAFC fan and I don't like the way they play
These guys are so bad hahahahahahah
Who is
Michael Kaczmarczyk they’re better than u if ur talking about the players. If ur talking about the announcers than I agree
Michael Kaczmarczyk I’m assuming your referring to the MLS players not the refs
Forgive them... They are american
With Bedoya's second yellow, what is not seen on the broadcast but live was the mob dissent to the ref after the penalty call lead by Bedoya, Medunjanin & Trusty along with some others. They surrounded the ref pushing him around with their chests not allowing him to move the game forward. He had to get real aggressive with them to move them out of the penalty area. That's when Bedoya decided push things further and step back into the area and it cost him. The ref at that point was pushed to his limit and had to respond.
This pair are useless - the first one was a penalty because of the careless action of the defender pulling the leg out from under the attacker in the challenge. He could have poked the ball through without doing that, but he didn't. Penalty any day, anywhere.
actually they're right. soccer is a contact sport. thats why the rule states (as they said) if u make contact w the ball before making contact w a man, it isnt a foul. the game allows for lots of contact. there are just rules around it. what u say the defender shudda done is near impossible to pull off in the heat of a game. what the defender did do was follow through w his intention to win the ball and not play the man. which he did. which is the most u can ask of a defender in that position. and the ref blew the call. refs are just getting worse and worse it seems.
tripsr4kids if u come in from the front yes but he’s come from behind there is very little ball contact and he clearly swings his leg in a way which caused the attacker to go down, clear penalty
Ethan James it doesn’t matter how much contact with the ball, if the player touches the ball it is called as play on
@@nvomora are we in the 1980s in the comment section? Getting the ball first hasn't been the determining factor of foul or not foul for decades.
@@tripsr4kids it’s football you kick the ball with your foot, I am lucky to be British
You guys clearly don't understand football if you think it wasn't a foul on Martinez or that the reds weren't justified.
that first second-yellow wasnt justified, the ref has to use common sense at that point and either warn him or just let it go
I thought both cards were justified.
Look at #6 behaviors.
It was clearly that he was very disrespectful to the referee.
Did you hear what they said? They saw the defender get ball first, because it bounced before the defender made contact with the player.
You could make the argument that it was a careless challenge, but I could also make the argument that the striker was careless in possession (to have the ball stuck under his feet).
Morgan Ritson wow
I’m an Atlanta fan and that one was iffy. It was a 50/50 call
Saying refs should have a high tolerance is only exasperating the problem. The number of officials giving up due to abuse both physical and verbal is staggering. Stamp down on this at the highest levels and help us at the lower leagues
I referee youth and semi pro and for a youth bu13 got death threats for a game that really didn't matter
WE WANT SIMON.
FR
What happened to him
Lieutenant Adams I was wondering the same
We NEED Simon
Yep
Can we get people who just know the rules I'm no pro but these two flip flop their judgment every week and are never consistent you can take a word they say because they will literally say the rule says blank but I think it's not blank the whole point of this show should not be opinion based it should be based on the rules of the game and how it was called on the field
madmason14 that’s never going to happen I’m sorry to say football (soccer) is a game of opinions and everybody has a different one
Yup, as the other guy said, a big part of football rules are almost entirely based on discretion
Simon Borg now !!!
So a few weeks ago you guys claimed Josef Martinez’s goal should’ve been disallowed because he made a move and accidentally clipped a guy’s foot. But this week someone whacks his foot in the process of trying to hit the ball and it’s not supposed to be a foul.
Y’all are officially just making this up as you go.
These clowns sound like they’re describing the match as told to them by someone on the train into work that morning who themselves had only previously read about soccer on Wikipedia. It’s embarrassing.
Atlanta Fans?
Michael Buckelew MLS has to make sure Atlanta is protected. Lol
Doesn't matter if Trusty got the ball, he chopped down Martinez from behind while he was in 1v1, all red cards are justified in this situation.
I dont think thats the rule man. Pretty sure that if theres contact with the ball first, than no foul.
Miggy Santos That's not how the rules work. You can't stop a player from making a play by making contact with the legs.
Funny thing is Trusty received no card at all from the whole thing .
Miggy Santos: You are incorrect. If the contact with the player is incidental to contact with the ball, and not excessive, then the referee MAY conclude it does not justify a foul. Not must. But that contact was not incidental. The ONLY way he wins that ball is by going through Josef's legs. That means whether he got the ball 1st or 2nd is irrelevant, he could not have avoided foul contact with the player, therefore it's a PK.
@JohnGlue Nor should have he. He attempted a legal tackle. He simply got too much of the player in the attempt. It's a foul. But not egregious. It didn't deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity. So yes, a foul. But not excessive force, reckless, or endangering the player. So no card.
You guys are so inconsistent. We all know you don't need the ball to earn a pen.... a foul in the box on the offensive player is a pen. Andrew your dead wrong.
Totally agree, the tackle was with studs up, two legs into the player. If he hadn't jumped he could have broken his leg, but of course that isn't a foul according to these two stupid morons because he didn't have the ball...
Bedoya must have been banking on the fact that the ref wouldn't essentially send him off for not listening and delaying the game longer when everyone was already warned. Players and commentators/analysts need to stop thinking that 1st and 2nd yellows should have different thresholds to be given. If he was just given a first yellow for this, they would just say yea he delayed and can be given a yellow. Since it was his 2nd yellow they start to question and scrutinize everything about it. Maybe they should question Bedoya's intelligence to do this to his team in this situation. Stop trying to give players more room to show dissent without punishment when dissent is rampant throughout all leagues.
As a referee, these are so hard to watch but also entertaining. It hurts when they say "It's not a foul because he got the ball." Any refs agree?
Glad im not the only one watching in 2022, not a ref
Yes, “but I got the ball” is a player and coach-fueled myth that just won’t die for some reason. The result of coaches that don’t know the rules very well creating players whose knowledge of the LOTG is half experiential, half urban legend.
You can, literally, execute a perfect slide tackle, come up with the ball, and foul your opponent in the process.
You know they're unprofessional when they're sponsored by Cheez-It.
These guys don't remember FIFA's new rules on tackle fouls. It USED to be that if you got the ball first, you could essentially rip a guys leg off of his body with no foul. That changed like 5 years ago. Now, it doesn't matter if you get the ball first. If you tackle THROUGH a player, then its still a foul.
Imagine thinking it can’t be a penalty because the player who was fouled lost the ball? So by his logic you can just kick someone off the ball but because the attacker doesn’t have the ball it’s not a penalty😂
Maybe they have a clause in their contract that states they get paid bonuses for contradicting themselves week to week. That's all I can come up with.
"because he got the ball first, it shouldn't have been a foul." NO. There is literally nothing in the law book that states if you get the ball first, its not a foul. For the play in question, the defender got the ball first, then tripped the opposing player by taking out his right leg. This is a foul!
Also, if you're on a yellow and step into the arc specifically to delay a penalty, you are an idiot. Get a teammate who isnt on a yellow to do it. Second yellow totally deserved.
The foul call on Martinez was the right one considering it's fron the Ref's view.
Mendunjanin - his sending off was totally justified. Regardless of what a ref does you have to control yourself. Rules have toughened up on dissent.
Could be both: delaying the restart and dissent by action by re-entering the box after being told not to
A second yellow is not the same as giving a red card. The player already having a yellow can't change the decision on the second one.
Yep, classic error of “what are the chances the next coin flip is Heads if the previous 10 flips have all been Heads?”
Trusty didnt touch the ball. The “hop” is from the striker’s left foot. Good penalty call. Watch closely.
I'm always waiting to see the reviews on the calls made in games that SKC play in, but in the game yesterday I felt like the referee crew did a great job. I didn't have to think about them during the match and was able to just enjoy the game. It was a pretty nice feeling for once.
GlassSword I agree. As an SKC fan I felt that was the best refed game of the season for us. Ref kept cards in pocket unless it was obviously a yellow. No bad missed offside calls for both teams. Just a nice ref and a nice game
This has to be the worst episode I've seen. Why does youtube keep recommending me these and why don't I learn to watch these muted...
1st: Just cause you touch the ball doesn't mean you can trip the opposing player who actually didn't really lose the possession of the ball. That should be a penalty every time.
2nd: Could've been a good second yellow, could've been a light one. The point is you don't know what was said nor do you show the whole thing.
3rd: "Ref's should take." BS. So fucking much BS. If the guy is still in your face after you show the first yellow, don't bother with the second. Go for straight red - that's complitely fine by the laws of the game.
4th: Handball. Are you sure one of you wasn't supposed to say that the hand was in natural position or the ball came so quickly that he didn't have time to react? Cause now you actually agreed and made a decission. GG, one out of ten isn't that bad...
5th: Why "agree to disagree" without any other reasoning than "I feel like it because I played as defender once"? If the defender times it right the guy isn't running into his shoulder, he should be running to his back. Now the defender clearly instigates the contact to a players chest.
6th: Where can I get myself a pair of those X-ray glasses? Or you've got that CSI photo enhancing software? Cause to me there's like one white pixel I could imagine being the ball visible between the arm and the body. There's no way to tell if it hits the arm.
7th: How come there isn't a great camera angle to a potential foul that happens in the box without really any players blocking any angles? What's the point in the VAR again... Not you're problem, and points to you for actually mentioning this.
8th: Clear pen for you, for me and for the ref. Wow.
9th: It isn't a foul because the player isn't in possession anymore?! That doesn't mean it's not a foul. That means the defender is coming in late which just makes it more of a foul. The weird accent you have makes it sound like you say "agree to disgree" instead of "Oh right, you've got a point. I was wrong." Which is what I assume you ment to say given that there's no way in hell that's not a foul.
10th: VAR? No? Clear error on a potential pk decision. I tought these were supposed to be reviewable. But hey, at least you understand why the ref didn't blow his whistle. Care to enlighten us rest?
11th: If only there was somekind of a magic wand that you could use to kinda draw a line matching the place of the defender and attacker... But I guess "I feel like it could've been" is good too.
Red cards: 100% deserved. Philly were being babies about the penalty. I thought the yellow for delaying the PK was lame, but it's technically the right call. It's a super strict call but it's the right call... Weird, it's almost like getting in refs faces doesn't help you!! Since when does screaming at people make them not like you?!
I'm an Atlanta fan and I agree on the first one. There wasn't enough for a view and for a person watching the game it clearly looked like a PK even if the call was wrong it's a tough call and the Philly's overreacted
This two don’t know anything about soccer and is obvious they don’t like ATLUTD.
Any ways we still on Top.. Vamos ATL
Juan Solis vamos atl
You dont anything about football cause your calling it “soccer“
You should not get a second yellow for delaying a restart? No. You should get it. There is no first vs second yellow distinction in the laws of the game. And if Bedoya going to be that stupid, then he earned it.
The rules are the rules, first yellow or second doesn't matter-the yellow card offenses are clearly listed and intentionally interfering with a re-start is one of them. Two appropriate rulings on the second incident as well, yellow for dissent then another yellow/red for the physical contact with the referee.
I’m a red. I bloody hate it when players crowd me and I have some tolerance. Shouting can be calmed down. However. When it is consistent a booking or sending off is allowed and sometimes needed
Delaying the restart is a mandatory yellow so the the ref got it right in the first clip
warshaw you are a joke. you make these reviews so hard to watch, your blatant bias (i know you admin that you have one) and lack of willingness to learn is one of the main reasons why people prefer simon. this is your job, do some research on the laws and update your views accordingly.
for instance:
1) atl game: where in the LOTG does it say if you get some of the ball first there is no foul??? just because you get the ball does not mean that a foul was not committed.
2) defender bias: he isnt stepping toward the ball he is stepping in front of/into the path of the player while the ball is moving away. the ball is 2-3 yards away when contact is made this is an obstruction/charge.
3) bedoya second yellow: dissent is by word OR ACTION. if he informed both teams to stay outside the the area and D, and he blatantly walked in and bent to fix his guards, then that is a form of dissent.
then you pull a 180 and nail it when you say things like:
"it sounds like you're telling me it matters that he misses, even though he clearly got fouled... just because he whiffs the ball doesn't mean you can come in and slide tackle him"
and i honestly think that this is the part that bugs me the most, when you have bits of spot on recognition mixed in to a landslide of nonsense.
On the LA foul, im with Bobby. The defender is taking position for the ball, and the attacker initiates the contact. It's a tough call to make though.
the defender steps into the path of the attacker, the contact is made with the shoulder into the attackers chest, perpendicular to the path of the ball. if the defender was moving with the ball or at more of an diagonal toward the path of the ball and did that then i could see your point, however he didnt. just look at the defender's head when he goes into that challenge, he has no idea where the ball is, he is just trying to stop the progress of the attacker, he is not making a play on the ball.
based on your and bobby's view impeding would be the call.
law 12 - impeding:
"Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.
All players have a right to their position on the field of play; being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.
A player may shield the ball by taking a position between an opponent and the ball if the ball is within playing distance and the opponent is not held off with the arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent."
That's a 100% penalty all day. Easy to get the ball if you make a foul on the defending player
I should have this job because I have more knowledge than these two combined. They’re totally clueless.
If you get the ball, before making contact it isn't a foul, unless you go in with excessive force that endangers the safety of an opponent. No penalty should have been called on Auston Trusty.
The bigger issue is he doesn’t really get the ball. He taps it a little bit but doesn’t get it away from Martinez. If he doesn’t clip Martinez then there would have probably been a shot on goal.
this commentary is so bad and bias. guess i'll skip on MLS
Andrew is missing a few brain cells...
What are you talking about 🤐😪😫😴?
Just because you touch the ball first, it doesn’t mean it is a fair play. Good penalty.
You need to improve your refs in the mls
The argument that something may be worthy of a yellow but not a second yellow, or that a something may be a foul, but just not in the box is illogical. A foul is a foul by referees discretion and his interpretation of the rules. That's his job. Not to selectively decide which fouls are "fair" enough to give and wont change the outcome of the game
Simon Borg!!
MLS ain't professional
imo there is foul. The defender gets the ball, ok, but then he gets Martinez's ankle. Getting the ball doesn't justify getting the opponent. Red cards justified, Bedoya stupidly playing with the ref's nerves, and Medunjanin definitely deserves that redcard for his unprofessional behaviour
Getting the ball doesnt mean its not a foul
Mendunjanin was yelling at the ref and started chest bumping him and by his head movements looked like he was trying the soccer players' headbutt..
Any contact with an official should be an instant red card.
Ref should’ve allowed the penalty to go, if the player scored then continue. If the player missed, let them retake because he went into the Semi Circle. Situation sorted 🤷♂️
Okay, first of all; Please remove that music in the background and just talk nicely and naturally! This isn't Fox News, have more class!!!
Second, about the second yellow and therefore red card.
As you guys say, if it's for bad language, then no problem, the player should behave.
But if it's because he is inside of the distance, then it's still a no-brainer for me. The player stands outside the distance when the ball is placed at the spot, but THEN he moves inside the distance with the ONLY purpose to delay the PK. That HAS to be a yellow card for delaying the restart of the game, and eny referee that does not do it, is mishandling the guidelines for the "referee in play" manual guided by FIFA, and are therefore wrong!
No doubt. The player should behave as a PROFESSIONAL adult, not a kindergarden child who can't get his favorite toy.....
Srsly boys you've made a fool out of yourselves with this one. A) Easy pen. B) Going into the or penalty area or arc during a pen is a yellow card. C) ThErE sHoUlD bE a HiGh ThReShOlD oF wHaT a ReFeReE iS wIlLiNg tO tAkE. And people wonder why there aren't many new refs coming into the game.
It’s a penalty not a penalty kick
The philly player didnt touch ball... look at martonez's left leg... its martinez that hits it.
Sebastian Lopez I kinda have to disagree with that. I think he gets the ball, but not enough to get it away from Martinez so it’s still a pk.
Sebastian Lopez But it was never a red card. Just a yellow
Something Else he didn’t give a red for that
The hop came from Martinez's left ankle, not from Trusty. Not even sure Trusty touched it.
I have no issue with the penalty call. But, trying to explain away the 2nd red card is ridiculous. It does not matter that players around the world encroach into the penalty arc to "delay the kick". When people wonder why fans are fed up with some of the ridiculous crap soccer players pull, this is a classic example. FIFA rules exist for a reason. The fact that referee's fail to enforce the laws of the game has allowed a sort of "mind creep of ignorance" to set in. Yellow card was indicated and given. The fact that Bedoya, already on notice with an earlier yellow card, failed to understand his predictament and placed himself in a bad position. Let's quit trying to "nuance" or "justify" calls. Violate the law, pay the price.
Bobby doesn't know what he is talking about. If you a doing any form of dissent (yelling at the ref) you get a yellow. If you continue you could possibly get a 2nd yellow. Good call by the ref. In the galaxy-timber game, the defender does not play the ball.
First of, thats a penalty but for sure. You can't just tap the ball and smack down your opponent and get away with it. That's a penalty. The guy walking into the penalty box can be awarded yellow for timeplay, all in the referees freedom of ruling this game. All correct. The one complaining completly lost his mind and can be happy about not receiving a direct red card.
God I hate this narrative American commentators seem to have where they think a second yellow should have different rules to a first. If it's a yellow card infringement, it should be given as such. He's inside the D which is a yellow card offence. The fact he's on a yellow is completely irrelevant.
Also, piss off. Yelling at a referee should be a straight red.
He ref in the Philly Atlanta game did brilliant. I don't really watch mls but i know the rules just so you know. The tackle was dangerous and not done correctly, correct decision penalty. Then the reds, he had all right to give the yellow and red for the time wasting player because he has been told, didn't move and then recivied punishment. He was trying to make Martinez second guesz where to go. The reaction I personally was surprised it wasn't a straight red, that is not how you should react as a professional.
What happened to Simon Borg? The two jokers running this video are complete dolts. Every single foul/infraction shown here is perfectly justified. These jokers have no clue what they're talking about.
I have a really hard time believing Andrew and Bobby are giving their real opinions in these videos. They are so scripted and read with unnatural emphasis from a teleprompter. They agree half the time and disagree half the time. They're trying to make an entertaining show, but they are ruining a good thing. Just tell me your actual opinion and try to learn the laws of the game forward and backward like the refs have to so you can give an educated opinion. Can we get Simon Borg back, pretty please??
Where did they get Andrew and Bobby? They don't know how to properly apply the rules. Whether or not Bedoya's second yellow was for delaying the restart or not. He still cannot stand inside the arc to make Martínez wait to take the penalty. By rule he delayed the restart of the game by going into the arc, so he deserved a yellow card for it. Just cause it happens all over the world and refs don't call it does not make it ok to do.
I’m an Atlanta fan and I think Philly deserved the cards. Absolutely childish and very unprofessional, disgusting. But, the first red wasn’t deserved though.
Guys, guys, guys, at 7:20 it is embarrassing to say the attacking player is NOT offside. A good referee should be able to call that regardless how close it is. Anyway, play on!
Atlanta has a 2 man advantage for 70 minutes and only scores one goal in the run of play? And also lets one in? That game should have been 6-0. Ask an SKC fan..........
What are you guys smoking? The winger @7:32 is clearly offside, you have VAR, for referees its difficult to check, but not for VAR!
Both calls right from the ref.
Absolutely a penalty he didn't win the ball he took the opponent on the ground clear pk what r these guys r talking about on national tv???
Geiger, Chapman and Anderson (PRO referees) should do this. Like if you agree dislike if you don’t agree. Show MLS we care
When will you get it into your heads, just because he got the ball, if his reckless action continues to then strike a player from behind and brings them down off the ball, it is still a free kick!
American footballers and referees as so ugly and disrespectful, I hope MLS will get better, the league is good but still a long way to go, best wishes fellas!
Seriously this whole show is talking about the refs calls, and how great they are slowing down the game. This is why American soccer is so fucked on the world stage.
All these people that say it isn’t a pen just because he didn’t have great control of the ball or he got the ball are just haters and it’s bs first off who cares how Josef had the ball he had possession second it has to be significant contact which wins possession without going through the player
This two americans hv no clue what he comment all about. U need to comment on football.. the worldwide football. Not the american football that playing by hand. Lol
No matter what you shouldn't get in the referees face even if you don't like the call. The second guy deserved that red card (3:00) and it was justified.
Honestly the ref who refed the Atlanta game and gave two yellows and a red I would do the same. I am a referee and well if I card a player for descent and they don't leave I'm going to card them again and send them off.
I’m an American so don’t attack me when I say this but these American commentators are absolutely clueless
Let’s get some former refs commentating and see how that goes
this guy is wrong, not the ref, the commentator. ball first does not relieve you of a kicking/tripping penalty
You should change the background music, or make a little different. It's annoying after 8 minutes. IMO
100% penalty, hit his leg first then ball and then followed through
Listening to these 2 yanks talk about what they think is or isn't a foul/penalty/red card is hilarious. They are clueless.
My god these refs are worse than the ones in the lower leagues I england,I am surprised no one has gone and punched some of them as I won't take that bull
Send this ref back to the Sunday beer league where calls like that would have him run for his life to the parking lot!!
If you watch this, do yourself a favor: turn the sound off, so you don't have to listen to the ignorant commentary.
How y’all defending this don’t matter if it’s rules I’ll be just as annoyed and fustrated if referees and rules were set up like this
Medujanin should've gotten straight-red for abuse. And I don't think three games is enough for that.
Medunjinin what the fudge were you doing!? you left Philadelphia with 9 players!!!
"If its something you would give a card for saying to another player, then you should be given the same consequence" theres no official rule stating a player can get sent off from swearing at another player, there is however a rule against abusive language towards the referee, which can be seen as a red card, these americans get on my nerves so much when it comes to football, (or fucking soccer)
Actually, the Law regarding sending off offenses (Law 12) states that "us[ing] Offensive, Insulting, or Abusive language or gestures" is sufficient to be sent off with a straight red. Now, the level determines what could be construed as Offensive, Insulting, or Abusive. In matches like MLS, probably not alot can be said or done (gestures) that would merit a sending, aside from remarks regarding things like race, gender, etc.
These videos jus5 show that most MLS refs aren’t very professional
Just saying: MLS if you wanna make it big stop focusing on the mistakes your refs make.
School kids. Thank god, they don't call this football. Enjoy your soccer guys
At the Colorado game the referee had used V.A.R and confirmed the the ball was brought down with the players chest.
JackAmmannVlogs I was also thinking there wasn’t a great replay to show if it did or didn’t. His body blocks all the views they showed
I might not have always agreed with Borg but at least he wasn't so cringy
In europe we call 2 reds in 10 sec a "derby"
*insert old man growling meme*
Omg, guys.. -.- Learn the rules.. You are saying sometimes really trash things.
Don't give an another chance to this Referee. because, we need to see good football
Good thing match decisions are made by logic/objectively and not by feelings. Seeing some comments and if some of u were refs a lot of mess would just slip by.
Ref did ok.
First one always a penalty he didn’t even touch the ball tack from behind
Welcome to the MLS where fouls are always welcome
Only one double yellow was justified I understand that #11 should not have been in the half circle but it shouldn't have been a yellow but in the case of #9 (#7 idk I forgot) got in the refs face, he got a yellow. He continued and got a second Yellow and a red, very brave thing the ref did, but the first was wrong
I'm an idiot it was #6
The thing they dont show is the continued delay of of the penalty and the warning the ref already gave out to players to get them out of the box
Everyone keeps saying "should of been a warning" he already gave the warning clear as day, the player asked for it