In Finland the police have a 3 and a half year education. Even after that they're constantly evaluated. And ONLY like 20% of that training if even that is use of force. We have crime scene investigation, we have psychology, etc. etc. The application to the school takes months and you have psychological tests, aptitude tests etc. I believe in the US however the police do need to be educated more, chosen more firmly. But to do so the system needs to change. The police can't do their job properly which is solving crimes if they're given 100 other tasks that don't relate to their job and non sufficient training. And then ontop of that they're put into a system that I dare to say even encourages violence or at least doesn't do anything about it.
Am Swedish man. Will vouch for Finland. While i don't approve of ANY police, nuances DO exist, and the general attitude, and funding, of a given society, matters... A LOT! Take their toys away, and make them personally (privately) liable. Police your police, daily... and if you can not: To hell with them!
Will also testify as a Finn, don't remember when I'd have last heard that a police had to shoot anybody for anything... But I think this thing has also risen to cover more systematic and deeper running problems of designed scarcity and economy ahead run, what appears to be nepotist police state. What made Finland a well-fare state ( I say made in past partly as the poorest get cut down here just like there, while the corporations get loans and special rights. All to come have been cut) were good, free education, healthcare system, which includes mental health and social services, you could try and fail, yet get back up. Today, it isn't that easy to rise from the pit. Health care is medication more often than not. So, as well as being supportive of the black lives matter movement, I also feel this is also about more, as there is more behind that. Why don't black lives matter in our societies? Poor lives? Human well-being? but economy? Why? The roots are deep here.. Why does USA have a gigantous overkill military budget, so big that they basically have to give and auction them to the police or trash over produced military equipment, but no real medicare? Education? Those cost a fraction of what arms deals do, that's why, it's the bottom line. And they don't produce cattle, they have no profit to be made instantly to any corporation entity. Parts that they can ruin and make money out of, like education and student debts, they already do so. Finland, we also condemn Saudi-Arabia about the human rights, among our selves, yet sell grenade launchers to them to be used against the Yemeni people. Flags, borders, they are just to keep us separated, from understanding our power. Monarchy in the UK, yet cuts need to be always made from where there is the least money. Nations are for slaves, corporations or money have no borders, no nation or accountability. Just a diplomat pass to everywhere and huge leverage and power, If this felt like a huge piece of txt, it kind of proves how we are dumped down, made anxious. Meme replicators.
This sounds like actual change or progress. I like it. Too often we hear or say things need to change but no one knows where to start or how to change. May we all assist the process of Real Change on this Earth and do whats right and just for Ourselves and the Biosphere 🙏
Like we don't have enough money to take care of the elderly, but we definitely need some fighters!! Against...Russia? Finland? Few damn billion dollar fighters wont much save us if Russia decides to come a knocking. Sweden? Unlikely as Norway. Maybe USA or China, who knows, but the same, wtf does few fighter jets help tiny Finland? Actually, Finlands dirty secret, the Saami-people, our own indigenous tribe pushed up north and autonomy taken... Live in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. They might rebel? What USA does with all those trillions, can't even fathom, a deathstar?
I love that Trevor was able guide the conversation while everyone got to be heard. We need more people like Trevor that has the ability to make everyone heard but not silencing others.
@ChadThunderCock wow. Your name on here says alot about you but your comment is what is ignorant. Did you truly listen or just stew the whole time waiting to talk shit? Naybe you should research some of these resources and open you mind and heart to a world where opportunity and support for all equally can lift up millions and create a safer and more productive society. Why not believe we might be able to do it? How depressing to think we cant.
Unless you create a monetary incentive to keep prison doors open. In that case when you open up education, you close a rich white man's wallet and that's not tolerated.
He also seems to really do his research. I also appreciate his perspective as ´´not´´an American, from South Africa, his view on US politics, culture, race, etc.
st prch He grew up in South Africa during apartheid. His birth was literally illegal due to having a white father. I don’t think this is a trendy SJW thing for him.
I was an MP in the Marines and it shocks me how the policing environment in the civilian sector is more militaristic than it was for me as an actual military policeman. We were taught that we were policing our brother and sister Marines and their families. We had a "police your neighbor" approach where as Civilian police have been trained with an "us against them" mentality and have been give ordinance and taught tactics used by actual occupying forces. De-funding, restructuring and reallocating resources and responsibilities is the way to go. However it doesn't need to be a lip service approach. Actual action needs to be taken to change the culture of policing and those that can not adjust need to be removed. While I'm on my soap box I'll add this. I'm a proponent of UBI for so many of the reasons stated in the conversation I just heard. Not only would Universal Basic Income help abolish poverty it would reduce stress, anxiety, crime and allow for many of the issues our police are asked to "fix" on the back end, to actually be fixed at a community level on the front end. I miss Andrew Yang.
I agree with most of what Calabash said regarding police and a fundamental change in policy in required. However, UBI is disturbing if it results in a normalization of wages, because then you have communism. Otherwise it is just a higher paying form of welfare that someone will have to foot the bill for.
I am an Army veteran. I deployed 3x to warzones. The part that I am always so appalled about is the casual way police point the barrels of their guns at people. Muzzle awareness was always a priority in the army. Some weapon holsters were banned because their positioning made it so the muzzles could be pointed in the direction of people. We train not to flag our battle buddies. Flagging is just having the muzzle flash towards a teammate even for a second. We follow an Escalation of Force protocol which doesn't involve pointing our guns until the latter of the 2nd step of 5 steps. Finally, the percentage of shootings that end in death is alarming. Part of the escalation of force protocols is shooting to disarm prior to shooting to kill. So how are so many unarmed individuals being shot to death? This is all common sense in the army while living in a combat zone. How are police failing in normal civilization? They point their guns at everyone whether they are a danger or not and no one survives encounters with them. At some point, they are just appointed thugs. They don't have any concerns outside their own well-being and enjoyment.
I am elderly with grandchildren living with me...and haven't been outside my home in 4 months due to this pandemic.....my support is my vote...come November I"ll be voting for leaders who support these changes. It's time to clean house of the complacent, compliant and silent.
@@ritamariekelley4077 Nothing scares a politician more...than the POWER of the people's vote...AND how easy it is for the average citizen to find out where the politician stand on issues, facts they gather all on their own using the information highway. What some people fail to realize; the politicians KNOW how powerful these two things are...and for YEARS have worked to reduce voting and information impact....from gerrymandering...to just recently requiring in- person voting during a PANDEMIC....to creating their own narratives and having supporters repeat them ad nauseam....all clues to candidates I will not vote for. Voting is the one right an American citizen has... that goes straight from the hand...to the tally.
P Muller that was so well said and correct. Not to be snide but I don’t know how on earth you could have been a registered Republican. Biden is full of flaws however he is an actual human with compassion who loves this country. Trump is an empty shell of a man who cares about nothing but himself and his image. He has zero compassion and a limited intellect at best. He has a decades long history of being a racist. He is unfit to lead. He was even unfit to run his own companies successfully.
As a social worker, I absolutely love the idea of calling someone like me or another mental health provider instead of the police. I specialize in mental health, and have de-escalated quite a few people over the years. I’ve worked in crisis counseling, so getting a random call at 2 AM about a mentally disturbed person who is getting unruly is definitely in my skill set as well as other mental health and medical professionals. ETA: I should have said JUST the police, not instead of the police. It made it sound like I'd be alone and I don't plan to.
I think the problem is that everyone knows how do dial 911 however few know how to contact someone like you. Thanks for caring and keep up the good work.
Salute to u! Keep it up!! Honest questions: Are you willing to go to the scene of a violent, disturbed man an risk your life? What about a drunk, violent man who just beat the shit out of his wife?
macolyis you taking it to a level of rape and murder by a minority is reactionary and NOT what the social worker is talking about. You sound EXACTLY like Trump coming down his escalator in Trump towers in 2015 talking about Mexicans being rapists and murderers and carrying drugs. I am not going to argue with someone like you.
@@S.T.A.550 I worked in a prison (not jail, prison) and a psychiatric hospital. I've had things thrown at me, spat at, threatened, followed, and gropped. I'm still doing my thing. Also, no one said we'd show up alone. We could be on-call or embedded. That's the way we worked when I was a sexual assault crisis counselor.
I’m a black woman born and raised in a high poverty, high crime neighborhood. People who think we can abolish policing are delusional. Reform? Yes. Defund? Yes. Abolish? No.
Hi Big Mona, you are absolutely right. Good negotiators always start by asking for way too much . It looks too radical and too extreme then when they settle in the middle it feels comfortable.
They are not really talking about taking all the money. Just economic sanctions if they don't get it together . For instance they don't need to buy used military equipment and come out every protest like it's a war on the citizens they are supposed to protect, not attack.
@@CJ-uo5cl CJ the mainstream media has you in their back pocket. Smh. The police are not Iran. They are our ally. Trust me, not all police are bad. You've just been inundated with negativity about isolated incidents so much the past few days that you actually think the best fix is a quick fix. Don't let the media program you to slowly acquiesce to the radical ideas being aired on shows like this.
@@2345-i8b "not all police are bad" does not justify doing nothing. If one cop kneels on the neck of a fellow citizen and kills him, while three other police men around him do nothing, then we have a problem. If that is a real possibility in the system that we've created, we need to change something about that system. That should simply not be possible and it doesn't have to be. There might be some police departments, where not all cops are bad. Did you see that video of the police men shoving that 75year old man? Two police officers got fired. In response, their entire team resigned out of solidarity, like 50 cops. When those criminal cops, who let a 75year old man bleed out on the street (there were like 30 police men standing around and walking past that man without helping him or calling for help!) walked out of the court house, the entire PD stood and clapped for them in solidarity to show their support! SUPPORT for WHAT? An ENTIRE police department clapping for cops who rightfully got fired for harsh misconduct. Old people often die when they fall and receive no help. That that man could've died and not a single one of those cops cared. Tell me where the good cops are in that police department? Shoving the man was wrong, not doing anything about it was wrong, not helping the man was wrong, there is no reason to celebrate cops who do that, celebrating them is wrong, yet everyone in that police department participated in at least one of those actions. Where is the cop that does the right thing, the thing that isn't wrong? Don't tell me that police department still has good cops. That is the kind of gang mentality that is a threat to our constitutional state. Accountability is fundamental.
What I've taken from this panel is that the Defund the Police movement isn't about doing away with law enforcement altogether but about challenging our cultural perception of law enforcement by redistributing responsibilities and resources to organizations that are better at handling them and away from an institution that has been soaking in systemic racism since before the birth of this nation. I imagined that my only source of income came from working in a company whose policy around the security detail is handled in the same way that the United States in handling the police force and it made me sick. I cannot afford to donate, but I will spread the message of Black Lives Matter and Defund The Police.
It’d be very helpful if people like the Minneapolis (where I live) City Council leader wouldn’t dismiss basic law enforcement as unimportant! If they & Defund Police advocates would guarantee basic ideal law enforcement, then I certainly won’t be queasy about the new movement. transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2006/08/nday.03.html
It's strange how everytime a community or even an entire society tries or strives for something radically progressive their ideas are downplayed as a form of potentially causing chaos and unrest even though the new ideas come into existance as a form of countering that very chaos, injustice and unrest
@Lou Hayhurst You should be sending your reparations bill to the descendants of those Democrats who were responsible for the slave trade, the gross majority of whom are white southern Republicans.
5:10 Quick fact-check: The LA police department receives 1.5 billion of a budget of 10.5 billion. That's 14%, not 54%. It's good that we have this discussions, even if I personally don't see the benefit of abolishing the police altogether. Restructuring or reinventing, sure; but crime doesn't go away just because you get rid of the police. It's similar to saying "let's get rid of the health care system, because healthcare is too expensive for most people", it's true that it is too expensive, but abolishing it and seeing everyone die "equally" is not a viable way to solve the problem.
She's talking about budget proposals. When they allocate new money for budget proposals, of the total increase LAPD gets 54%, some services get less, and others get -% to accommodate the LAPD budget increase. That's at least how it was originally put to me by someone. The panelist def could've worded it better but nice fact checking!
We must always be careful, especially when it is an idea we are sympathetic to, to know that activists always twist data to fit their cause. For them, the ends justify the means, or they are willfully ignorant of the nuance in the data. Thanks for being careful
“What about murder? What about rape? What if your child got kidnapped?” Great questions, then she says “The reality is the police aren’t doing a very good job at handling those situations.” And then changes the subject. So who should work on that then? What do you do when your child goes missing or someone gets raped? Who responds to a robbery or an attack? Who investigates a murder? What do they propose should replace that part of the system? That’s what I want to hear from the people proposing to straight up abolish.
@@spreston5230 I think your point is valid overall, but consider that some people are not very well served by the current system either. www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/06/29/milwaukee-girl-found-chicago-mom-social-media-savvy-activists/745876002/
Take a moment and realize that what you just watched (or *are watching* if you read comments while still watching the vid) could not possibly happen on Fox News. I’m not talking about the specific content at all, I mean having a civil discourse where a group of people work collectively to share their ideas and visions, where the host wants to hear what the guests have to say, where the “competition” is to make the best presentation of the topic at hand, rather than what Fox wants to show, which is conflict, ego, one person dominating another person in a “battle of ideas.” Agree or disagree with any particular policy point, it doesn’t matter, Fox never wants to build anything up, they are only interested in the spectacle of tearing things down.
Not just Fox though John, it's like that on most cable news networks unfortunately. Their jobs are to get views rather than to educate, and we're all worse off for it.
Sad to say this is true of all Cable news. Cable news is more like a "show" than news. I think someone pointed that out CNN keeps bringing on people whose ideals have been disproven just to spice up shows.
They're looting everything hiding behind George Floyd.And cnn and nbc don't show anything about that.This are facts.I'm romanian,don't give a shit about what happens in the US but i hate propaganda.I've lived 9 years in comunism so i know what i'm talking about.And what cnn and nbc and all the democrat media does is exactly this:propaganda against Trump.They stoped presenting facts long time ago.th-cam.com/video/sQK269QHfLc/w-d-xo.html I didn't see this on cnn and nbc.
Well let's not jut blame Fox for this, all mainstream media doesn't really provide good discourse. And to be honest, this one doesn't either. There is some disagreements, but ultimately its more or less an echo chamber. If you have the same values, yea you aren't going to talk over one another. You aren't going to get into screaming matches.
The day I realized #DefundThePolice was necessary was when my 9 months pregnant Ugandan friend and her two sisters were surrounded by police in LA. - *TEN* police cars surrounded them, sirens running, hemming them in behind and before -a helicopter was circling. - guns were drawn, - officers were holding back beying canines - they had instructions yelled at them from megaphones. This is two weeks before my friend gave birth. Fortunately, she survived. Turns out, the police were looking for suspects of a burglary. The only description they had was three black people, and my friend and her sisters qualified. 🙄 54% of Los Angeles unrestricted /discretionary budget goes. To policing. That's insane! 👀 When you have police driving military tanks in a little one street hick village, there is a problem.
@ChadThunderCock if they had a better moral compass to begin with they wouldn't have done a lot of the things they had. Somethings can't be reformed. The culture that surrounds them will be the same, the blue code will always be held higher than their police code of conduct to protect and serve. Of course not all police are bad, but the good ones allowed things to get to where they are so they just as guilty.
Re older people not showing up at protests: we are avoiding the crowds because of CV-19. In our town, the second day of protests a local group organized a drive by honk-your-horn protest, specifically to help those that were self distancing to be able to participate. Police blocked the streets we originally were going to drive down, and the on-foot protestors had to face the police groups that had been called in from around the count, who showed up with their best military riot gear and weapons. The honkers circled the area. The videos afterwards had this background of continuous honking, a reminder that there were more paying attention than those on the street. Even being kept a few blocks away, solidarity was messaged.
I have lived in Taiwan for 15 years and I can testify that there is a better way of policing. The police here are not bullies and are not obsessed with proving how tough they are. They don't wear bullet-proof body armor. They don't call backup for a traffic stop and they never, ever advance with their weapons drawn. This is possible because the public does not hate or fear the police. They drive around with their lights flashing because they want people to know they are nearby, and nobody feels fear if you see them in your mirror. If they hoot the siren at you you stop and get out to find out what they want to talk about, and you don't get put up against the car or cuffed "for your safety and mine" and put face down in the mud. Why aren't the people afraid? Because the police don't abuse the people. Why don't the police abuse the people? Because when the people don't feel threatened they don't respond in a threatening manner. American police procedures make honest people hate them. Then the whole world is their enemy and they have to wear armor and go paramilitary nuts on the rank and file just to be sure they will see their kids again. It will take the legendary courage of the "thin blue line of heroes" to undo the damage of at least a half century. Get rid of the armor and the assault weapons, maybe even talk to the people you claim to "serve and protect". There is no other choice.
I really think this is meaningful. My mom graduated from the Central Police University in Taiwan and worked for the NSB of Taiwan. When she got married and moved to America, she's been adjusting and has done really well since she now teaches music and is providing for both her family here and in Taiwan. She told me the other day when we were driving to visit a family gathering that she is scared of police in America and that she wasn't scared of Police in Taiwan and she was trained to shoot and fight in hand to hand combat in Taiwan. That should really tell you something is wrong.
When you put it that way... I have to admit, in the few times I did family visits to Taiwan, I didn't feel particularly intimidated by Taiwanese cops when they were around, but they gave off the aura of genuine civil servant, rather than overeager wannabe ubermensch.
This was so powerful to me. Do you mind if I share this on my Facebook? People need to hear the peaceful nature of policing and it's success due to the respect from both the people and the police. You give respect, you gain respect and that's the problem in the US as you said. The fear and disrespect didn't just start from nowhere. It stemmed from the bullying and disproportionate treatment by the police to the black community.
@@zmdumpbox2340 yeah, I visited the Central Police University in Taiwan in 2018 and got to see their training equipment and style. It's a full educational process. They also get to chose what they specialize in at the university. For example, I got to see the motor policing division which uses drones, cameras, and eye witness accounts to fully recreate the scene of an accident, so that the vehicles can be moved as soon as the police arrive. You can also go into the more violent crimes area and be trained in a fully immersed 3d software using things like Oculus or go into their shooting gym where they train officers in the use of lethal force using paint guns in common looking areas of Taiwan. After talking to many government officials, the Police are actually considered civil servants and they get the equivalent pension of a civil servant in Taiwan. Police are reviewed by their superiors and the University every few years. It's an entire process and they make everything count.
@Dark Guardian Yeah, and that's the next problem you need to look into as a nation. Weapon ownership needs to be strictly regulated. In my country the cops usually don't use guns because they don't have to be afraid of every random person shooting at them.
it was a great quote and hits the nail on the head pretty well, but not quite complete. While white people definitely do not have to fear cops in the same way that black folks do, they still operate in the world knowing that breaking at least some laws is risky because cops exist. Take drunk driving as an example. If there were no police, and no one to pull you over for speeding, driving recklessly, or even driving impaired, do you think the streets would be safer? Just because you or I may not choose to engage in such behavior does not mean that more people would not do so in the absence of at least perceived chance of penalty. I think is the concept some of us are struggling with in terms of a post-police world. Having said that, we do NOT need the police presence we have currently,. and cannot sustain it as a culture.
@@bobf5360 Police don't stop people from getting in their car drunk. Just another example of something that would be more effective to deal with using a community solution. Maybe use some of that police money to give cab rides home to drunk people so they don't have to drive.
@@ivanmius I agree with you but i think it would be really hard to cover all the areas and see if people drink too much alcohol or not, what we could do instead is preventing people from getting too drunk or another solution that i can't think about, but you know we should really start to solve the problems that are at the real bottom, like why are these people getting drunk? Because they like to? Maybe but there are other factors like people having a bad day or something else...
@@ivanmiusI hear you, and its a nice thought, but i think the chance that they will be pulled over and given a DUI very much does act as a deterrent. The campaign against drunk driving in the 80s and 90s was primarily implemented as harsher penalties, check points, and more patrols. The same with seat belt laws; "Click it or Ticket" was a nice slogan, but the reason it worked was the potential threat of a "ticket". People are basically selfish, and will not act in the best interest of the largest number of people. This is why we have laws, and enforcement of laws. Enforcing them EQUALLY and without malice is what is missing. Again, not saying police don't need MASSIVE reform, but there will have to be some way to enforce laws beyond just hoping that people will do the right thing. I don't like that this is human nature, it just is.
That is a much better phrase. "Defund the Police" is unclear and doesn't explain how actual crimes will be dealt with. There is no magic world where all people stop being horrible, regardless of community programs. Alternately everyone goes full NRA and people just do crime solving vigilante style, which probably wouldn't be ideal.
That's too narrowly-focused. Taking police's military gear away deals with only a fraction of the problem. Police have committed many of their terroristic actions without military-style weapons. We have to do much, much more alongside demilitarizing them.
Troy Moten I’ve been sitting her for like twenty minutes trying to reply to this comment and put a helpful idea out there but there is so much to tackle with this topic but you’re right we can’t just take away their gear we have to take away the racism and superiority it’s not just the money it’s EVERYTHING
Regardless of all the negatives that has plagued 2020 i think it is indeed a great time to be alive. The witnessing of a movement, the begining of a change. A powerful time in history.
It wont happen over night. Wont happen in a year either. Its gonna take time it will take sacrifices. It wont take Biden either. We the people started it and will need to continue it and see it all the way through. And when that happens, whomever The People place in office will have to respect and honor it. Nothing worth having comes easy. Change wont be easy but it is possible.
@@dantasticmania8728 Crowder is such a pathetic little white supremacist it comes back around to being hilarious. Great example of unintentional cringe humor.
@Xr3737 ummmmm hummmm and god forbid you hear a different view! My personal community needs MORE patrolling. This is a scary thought. The nice social workers will run out scared!
I believe police should be REQUIRED to go to a therapist/ psychologists regularly. Their mental health and competency needs to constantly be monitored IMO
@@crissyc9831 they have enough to do that already, often the budget for police is higher than any other service in a community they just spend it all on guns and ammo that is often not needed but just in case they get to have that "movie shoot out" like they always dreamed of.
Imagine you have a kid that is drug addicted, how to you want to help? Drug rehabilitation! If your kid is homeless? A roof over it's head! No food? Food! No Job? Some money to pay the bills and maybe even education! Health problems? Healthcare! It's pretty easy to imagine what would be best for human you feel responsibility for. - But what does the government? Drug addiction? Police & Prison! Homelessness? Police & Prison! Stealing? Police & Prison! Psychological issues? Police & Prison! That's f&ckt up! #DefundPolice
Ok you make some good points, but we have to look at the cause, not just the affect and aftermath. In the examples you have provided, the question that I would ask is how did these people get in these situations and how do we prevent it from happening. This is a much larger rabbit hole than people think. You can't always fix a situation by being a crutch, we have to also have to be proactive to create preventative measures for these possible issues with families and individuals. Good post
@@Evolve816 you're absolutely right. But it is still true that the FIRST answer is to be a "crutch." That's gonna work most of the time. After that we can talk about other solutions.
Though most of the time first or even second and third offenders are just sent to go to rehab, so I think we just need more funding to those programs so they can take more people
Interesting that the “drain the swamp” folks have the biggest issue with defund the police. Innovation means disrupting a broken system. This country is founded in innovation. We need big thinkers to make change! Thank you to all the activists continuing this conversation!
@@whiskeysudsjackwagon8510 While this is part of the problem, right now it couldn't hurt the US to reach out to other countries for counselling in terms of riot control. It's blatantly obvious in countless video recordings that US police forces lack experience and proper training to deal with mass protests in a professional, deescalating way to put it mildly in order to protect citizens and their property while at the same time honouring their right to protest. The only way I've seen them trying and failing to control the masses was by randomly lashing out due to lack of discipline and coordination and shooting into the crowd as if they dealt with a Zombie apocalypse, which only leads to violence spiralling out of control on both sides. They almost seem to act in panic and probably fear for their lives in the same way most protesters do. I suggest they take advice and even exchange personnel for training purposes from countries like the UK or Germany who face crowds trying to bash their heads in on a weekly basis before and after certain football matches in a variety of cities which all would lie in ruins by now if riot police units there showed the same talent of letting things go out of hand, effectively creating a civil war zone. Or when in doubt, just ask the French since they seem to be in a constant state of protests and civil unrest for the better part of a century by now and definitely know a thing or two on how to deal with it. Granted, no one will go out of their way to support your POTUS in regaining situational control, this ship has sailed I'm afraid. But in order to protect the general public of the US and help to guide this tense situation to a peaceful outcome, these European nations will certainly provide any and all know-how and resources immediately. Of course, you can continue to do it your way and kill each other for no particular reason but I'll have you know that Europe did this for a thousand years and kinda grew tired of it because it turns out to get rather annoying after a while.
This country is founded on colonisation and mass killings and greed ???? And people needing to escape Europe because they were too poor, or they wanted to get rich or they were persecuted (so why not take the land of someone else like in Palestine) or people wanting to escape their crimes... Innovation ??? I don't really see it ??? At its start it was more than rough and "primitive" (primaire) ? And then indeed there were more space to experiment (and money coming from the ressources stolen from the oppressed weither it's slaves or natives...)
It was more nuanced than that, really. I suggest for those who lack much of an understanding of American History is to look up the Crash Course U.S History on TH-cam. There is a tendency for some parts of history to be romanticized and others to be shamed on too much, which is interesting. I didn’t want to watch it because I didn’t grew up in the U.S myself but after considering to watch some few 10 minute episodes, I realize U.S history basically influences a lot of cultural politics in the entire world. Now if only Americans wielded their influence more responsibly. What Americans do with Black Lives Matter there will inevitably influence the whole world, for better or worse, so I hope you guys realize that.
All of these European countries still have forces that specialize in rapid, efficient, and momentarily ruthless violence. Because sometimes, unfortunately, killing someone, or at least inflicting pain, is the key to solving a situation.
The "Defund the Police" does sound scary and easy to misinterpret. I think that "Repeal and Replace the Police" would be a message that conservatives could grasp much easier. You know, because this is what they wanted to with the healthcare - repeal the current failing system and replace it with much better one.
I agree, such a bad choice of words and so many dreamers. Why wouldn't they call it reform the police, because this is what they want to do . Reshape the police, or reeducate the police would sound a 100 times better. Also they talk about abolishing the police but they don't really mention what they will put in place. There were times when there was no police in history of human kind and what you got was public lynching, witch hunters , mass murders and genocide(see hitler and how it got to the top, or stalin). For no police to work you first need to have highly educated citizens , that have good moral values and are able to take rational decisions. But this is just in utopias and in reality there will always be some sort of Police force (call it local milizia, neighbourhood troops, sharia law enforcement gangs, mafia etc) because people are simply not trustworthy or else how do you explain antivaxx movement, covid -19 and all conspiracy theories, ISIS, immigrant crisis in europe or how Trump managed to get to rule USA? Their priority should be education and after, everything else will come by itself . But damn, there are so many broken things in US that I wouldn't know where to begin in the first place anyway.
I think reframing the message to be more palatable for conservatives would be a glaring example of neo-liberals co-opting and white-splaining what community organizers mean by "defund the police." Also, repeal and replace? that's the shit the GOP kept prefacing their intentions toward Obamacare with. No. Defund the police is perfectly clear, and if it makes people uncomfortable: good. Sit with that, cuz it says more about the audience than the message.
I definitely am not on with abolishing the police, they’re definitely an essential service. But I do agree with a lot of their “duties” to be given to more specialized people. Y’all are way too trusting to think we would be ok without the police.
Make the police take part in youth programs as part of their "duties". Also, they must live in the community they serve to better understand the families that live there. Be a big brother, join with schools in order to educate our youth about the role of law enforcement. We should not fear those who are protecting our community. As Sunny stated, they had this done in the Camden community... it works because crimes have dropped. Kids now wave at the police and call them by name. They should feel safe and have respect for our officers. But respect goes both ways.
I wouldn't want police officers to go any where near my kids!! ..anymore than I would want a Creepy Santa, or some dude in a White Van, or a Catholic Clergy to spend quality time with my kids. A little humor there... we do need to get rid of the Bad Officers & Warrior Police Culture first, before bringing officers into our community.
Let me say, I feel safe around cops where I live. That's not to say that departments all around the country don't need improvement. There needs to be higher educational standards for would-be cops. Requiring a four-year degree would be a start.
@A FreeOne Black cops are more likely to shoot black victims than their white counterparts. Minority cops also be reaching- I just think when you give a person that much authority- it just psychologically does something to them. 6 months of training max also doesn't help. We need to reform and reboot the law enforcement as we know it.
“They never do what we ask them to do”. So true. A cop has never helped me or my family. I think twice before calling them because I am afraid they will kill someone. Cops have forgotten they work for the community not against it. They can’t even pull you over with basic respect.
Ivette Love learn live I need to know how police got like this where did law “enforcement” even come from and if y’all want to do defund the police we have to fix the prisons and jails too we need rehabilitation and not punishment
You want to hear what's even more stupid if you keep calling these cops police even calling ball enforcement when that's not what they do and they keep telling you that's not what they do but you keep calling them the police or law enforcement well that's why they do to you what they want you because they've got you to believe that they are the police or that they enforce real law like the Constitution only a constitutional law enforcement officer has the authority to enforce the Constitution so when was the last time you as an American hired a constitutional law enforcement officer to protect your Constitution and to protect those rights guaranteed within the law if you don't know the law maybe you should take a course and read your Constitution and understand that the constitution is the supreme law and statues and ordinance are not considered laws that's why City patrolman do not enforce laws and County Sheriff deputies do not enforce any laws only the sheriff of the county is considered a constitutional law enforcement officer
Everyone is forgetting that the police force was originally an arm of the rich. As such, they have always been revenue collectors for the local councils, NOT arbiters of the law. Every police "apprehension" means revenue coming into the coffers of the rich - from the poor. Note how they disregard all poor people's rights when making arrests, and note how they cow to rich people when begrudgingly arresting them - Dave Chappelle had a great sketch on his show that illustrated exactly this disparity. "Protect and Serve" was always just a SLOGAN - never policy. And any time any citizen felt like they were protected or served, it was by accident, not design.
@@Naiya77_7 EXACTLY. Our Crime/Punishment/Crime/Punishment world is a little whack because have black men rotting in prison while their children languish because they had (or in some cases had PLANTED ON THEM BY THE COPS) a tiny amount of weed or something. Meanwhile, we have the president committing treason and pardoning traitors, while cops get away with stupidity, murder, and corruption left and right. And I really feel like the society at large is READY. We are SO ready to more forward. Things are different now because of the Internet. People want to contribute. They want to invent. But they can't focus because they are barely surviving week to week on their wageslave paychecks, while cops are constantly harassing them, beating them, killing them, planting fake drugs on them, arresting them without just cause and violating their constitution rights, drawing guns on them, and busting them for wanting to use a tiny amount of medicine called Cannabis to alter their consciousness for a moment in the day, to escape the hell that for them is America. This is stupid. Defund police to a quarter what they make over the course of the decade. Reallocate those funds to education and quality housing. Keep rents capped and set up a rent-to-own-voucher system that allows renters to build up their rent over their lifetime into a down payment on a home they would own, and just have caretakers and maintainers WITH ACTUAL STANDARDS this time, instead of landlords. Help adults get jobs and get education. Make college free for everyone period. ZONE OUT ALCOHOL so that it is as far away as possible from housing and schools. Make it difficult. It will DEFINITELY PAY OFF. LEGALIZE POT. Crime will virtually disappear.
One guest said, "Tell me one thing the police are good at?" My answer is that I've called 911 twice in my life to get an emergency response to my home. Both times, the police, in conjunction with EMTs, may have saved my life.
I feel that some people go to the extreme. We need police. No first world country has no police and America is most likely not going to be the first. I don't see any city giving them all the boot. We just need to fix the underlying problems as well. Once that is done there will be no need for so many police. The "ghetto" won't be so ghetto as communities will be healthier. Policemen won't like this but they can get other jobs. This is what I got from this whole thing.
@@sobeliever1638 it's not about not having a police anymore but having a decent one and more importantly a safenet for all those things that should not end up around the police at all (mental health, Homelessness, simply being poor or black... Or a woman... Or a leftist)
@stephen schuit - I think you’ve nailed it. The police are good at helping a few, rich, mostly white people. I would agree the police are good at that. I’d also say it’s disgusting to say that that is worth the widespread oppression of many, poor, mostly black people.
Ok, think of it like this... if those 2 calls to 911 weren't to the police but to the people that are trained to handle your types of emergency, chances are, your life would have been saved either way. That's all they saying, allocate money to the training of specialised skilled people for community requirements. And a 2nd thought, why were the police there in your emergency anyway, which from the sounds of it, you needed EMT more. There was no crime, if there was an EMT for every Cop, would cops have showed up at your home? I'm pretty sure only the EMT's would be all that was needed. That's all DEFUND the police is, take money from the police and create services that service and help the community.
This sounds all so complicated. Make it easy and look at democratic countries with a low crime rate. You will find a pattern. A system that is based on the understanding that humans who suffer existential fears (health, base income, education, safety) tend to commit crime. It is those people's answer to having no perspective in life. Countries who consider their main job to serve their fellow country men and women by making sure those basic human needs are met, also have a police force that considers their task to support rather than to threaten (or worse). So no need to reinvent. Learn from those that have already achieved a peaceful society.
If you don't understand some of the topics in depth, it is very ok. This is a learning moment for people who aren't woke yet. This is only about ways to solve our problem of systematic oppression that we've dealt with from white people in this country. Slave patrol is the police. They killing us again. Well let me actually DO something about it this time. Uncomplicated it for you. I wonder what YOU would be doing if it were reversed and your race was the one being openly hunted? If the men in your race that fathered you, were being killed in your face? By lots of people with this particular job... Africans were the original inventors. We don't look to copy what anyone else is doing. We don't do that. Not wired in us. We invent. Caucasian first taught me plagiarism. What's the most horrific crimes you can think of...? Is it a learned behavior? Use your brain. Complicated???? LOL 😆
@@101TexanNativez First of all, to an outside observer from across the pond, your defensive and almost hostile reaction comes across as an unpleasant surprise. The last thing any rational European has in mind is to downplay systematic oppression and racism in any shape or form in the US and beyond. Out of curiosity, what is it you want to do about it other than being angry and can you provide any further information on inventing a never before seen judicial system to establish law and to provide safety and prosperity equally in modern society? As a German, being angry is pretty much the state we're born in, factory settings if you will, and inventing stuff effectively isn't quite a strange concept around here so I'm interested. But please try to tone down this "our race = good, their race = evil" narrative, that's as racist as my grandparents and as we all know, their generation has been the undisputed world champion in that discipline which I can assure you isn't worth the trouble.
@@101TexanNativez Well, I am German so I know a thing or two about reinvention of a country that hunted down and killed a specific group of people... I can only encourage you to believe in daring not to get caught up in details but in looking at the bigger picture. Go vote.
@@Daswuessteich And looking back, it was the US that got us back into the saddle, made sure to (as much as they could) ne-nazify Germany and make it a stable state. We are what we are because the US had more interest in making Germany a wall against Russia and communism than it was interested in its own people. It's deeply saddening, actually. I know, I know - the US was aided by some smart, not-too Nazi to live with Germans and some French and British guys, but still. We wouldn't be where we are now if we hadn't been smack-bang in the middle of Europe. Look at Poland. - if someone had decided THEY would have been the ones worth re-structuring, Germany would probably still be a lot worse off. It shouldn't be such a problem for the US to re-imagine a police-system that takes into account that - I'm sorry to say it - humans are not a peaceful species as a whole. We can dream of "no more police ever", but crime is a part of our genetics. There will always be crime.
I love these panel discussions that Trevor (and his team, I guess) organize. These wonderful people are so knowledgeable and so well prepared for positive change, it's heart warming to see them talk.
Since he is doing the program from ‘his couch in NYC’ he has really grown tremendously in his skills at everything. He is doing a stupendous job. Bill Maher on HBO is floundering miserably without an audience on the other hand.
Bill Maher cares more for his ego and his ability to tease his guests than he does for actually listening to people and trying to improve life for the vulnerable. Bill Maher's audience is also super smug and encourages him to be like this. Trevor Noah is the voice we need.
diulikadikaday well put. That’s why when he came back on air and he inserts old footage of people laughing into his monologue it shows how desperate and insecure he is. It ruins any actual funny jokes. It’s very cringe worthy.
Republicans thinks it is OK to defund Education and Healthcare but make sure the police have all the amo they want and shouldn't be using. The police budget rises every year while any money to help the communities are cut.
Just like the military budget. . . . more money for weapons of war, war and bases oversea's but the need to cut social programs is what's draining the budget? What a joke and it's on all of us taxpayers.
Leonaza I believe you are mistaken, it is in fact in democrat cities that edcation has been defunded the most, it is also in democrat cities I hear the most problems from, relating to poice brutaity, crime, homelesness, drug abuse etc... I'm from Europe and these countries love the democrats, So maybe stop pointing fingers to the republicans and look at the faults in all of the political parties in your country because neiher are perfect....
Trevor!! .. can you please take this to the next level...by discussing Reform of BOTH Police and the Justice System ... those together have resulted in the highest incarcerations per Capita of ANY country in the World, some 10X higher than other Western countries that have far less crime ... our Policing & Justice Systems have failed us miserably, since the USA is #1 in criminal creation, incarcerations, brutal punishment, and recidivism. To ignore this, going status quo, is morally bankrupt.
I wish for a country where I won’t fear my father being shot because he decided to play some music in our own backyard. To not have my own mother have to record the police and put them live as they immediately bring out a gun and point it towards him. I hope for a better place to live.
Then just get rid of the police. They're no good right? I hope that happens so I can sit back and watch states that do that very thing, become more of crap holes than they already are!!!
TheJpgr1958 Not get rid of police, but use some of those funds and resources to fund more social workers and social psychologists, intervention and de-escalation will work in many cases better than just sending police to address every social problem.
It's crazy that we call. The same people when a bank is being robbed or a person is being raped that we (mostly white people) when music is being played "too loud."
Trevor Noah is one of the best person when it comes to do interviews. He allows his guests to speak finished before asking questions. He's a good listener asked the right questions that's makes him a brilliant and successful man.
Sorry this happened to you, it has never happened to me, and I shutter to think how I would feel if it did. I would hope in the future law enforcement are held more accountable for their mistakes, and would do better in weeding out "bad" officers.
DEFUND, SHUT DOWN... Start new without the damn police unions. Then do the same with the Justice System, end their incentives to increase incarceration rates (the highest in the World). My son was arrested in Travis City, MI, for a crime he didn't commit, the detectives report even cited the witnesses were lying ... while awaiting trial, a warrant was issued for his arrest, because the drug testing facility did not forward test results to the Court. Our justice system is totally fucked up, they strive to increase numbers, instead of reducing. Its a criminal creation machine that is screwing us. And several other similar experiences too., including the death of my daughter who the Macomb County Michigan police didn't even investigate, I've had enough!!! MY EXPERIENCE: the Police and Justice system do NOT HELP ME, they have made my life MUCH worse, and we are WHITE... I can't imagine how much worst this all gets with Racism heaped on top!!
@@yup_its_ME.512 Thank you for saying that, the police did not. We live in a country with the Worlds highest incarcerations per capita, with NO desire to move off that #1 position... many conservatives are proud of being #1, like Trump. .. It's morally bankrupt, since we know other Western countries with 10X lower incarceration rates, have far less crime, we are doing it WRONG, that is indisputable.
Because the former sounds like the current system is redeemable. The latter takes away the important factor of using money for other resources than police. Word choice is important. Defund the police makes you think, 1. "why, whats bad about the police now?" and 2. "Where is that money going instead." A lot of folks didn't get there was a problem until now or were ignoring it as "not their problem". _Defund the police_ catches everyone's attention and makes them have the conversation......At least all the good intentioned people. At this point no one cares about the people who are perpetual bad actors and will be negative regardless of what the slogan is.
I think a title with multiple descriptors would work better. “Defund and Revamp”, for example. Defunding alone isn’t going to make a racist department not racist, so massive structural change (revamp) is needed. It is a more complete (and equally chant-able) representation of what change we need.
You want to create shock value and get peoples attention and talking. "Defund the police" does that. "reform the police", "police reform" sound too generic and does not grab peoples attention by way of talking and engaging.. For example, "Black lives matter" will go as one of the most imaginative and creative 3 word in marketing. Black Lives Matter which in the first instance sounds offensive at first was supposed to get that reaction to get people talking and asking What do you mean BLM ? what about other lives?. BLM was supposed to create that reaction , shock value to get peoples attention and look where we are now. People of different races holding up BLM placards because they have seen, thought and talked about its true meaning with respect to black lives.
Normally you`d be right but in this case it`s even more dangerous than being neutral. Like these people are talking about ABOLISHING THE POLICE. O.K. This is NOT NORMAL.
I got the amazing opportunity to "be a Natalie Portman," when I got to take a semester-long class from Patrisse Cullors and Janaya Future Khan, another incredible activist, in art school. I wondered "how can we be worth their time?" because we were just 5 white women artists. I really appreciated how they pushed us hard, while also being incredibly positive - "I know you can learn, I know you can do better" in both art and life. That class has everything to do with the direction my art and my life has taken. Thank you Patrisse!
This was the most civil conversation about politics I’ve watched in a LONG while. Granted, these people seem fall near the same place on the political spectrum, but still, it’s refreshing to see people having a genuine conversation instead of yelling at each other. Keep it up Trevor👍🏼
I don't think they agree completely with each other 100 percent, but they don't want to point it out. This is still a comedy show , so is hardly likely they would try to get people from both sides to discuss their differences.
Meanwhile in actual reality 80 percent of black people were against defunding police and what ended up happening is the crime rate spiked in places that did it, hurting minorities the worst. Anyone that advocated for defunding the police has blood on their hands.
I just watched “13th” on Netflix and our country is on a slippery slope to becoming a penal country that may backfire on all of our middle class and lower class citizens through the use of loose arrest requirements, private prisons, and gps trackers.
It's already slipped. We are presently having corporations making and getting laws passed that benefit their bottom line and recognize our citizens as cattle. Capital is what is valued
This is having a profound impact in that the law enforcement groups (police) are reacting to this conversation, albeit negative, they are beginning to feel the pressure of what it's like when you are the target of peoples rage. It's interesting that New York's president of the police association is crying that they are being treated like animals and thugs, which he seems to conveniently forget that, that is what they behave like in thier interactions with people, especially African American people.
wait a minute- they are crying that they are being treated like animals and thugs while behaving like animals and thugs? Now that is a perfect trumpian response. We truly do live in a 1984 dystopia.
If you're seen as a thug no matter how you act, what incentive do you have to do your best to do the right thing. If you're already a thug what incentive do you have to become better when your seen as bad regardless of your actions to try to be better?
Imagine that. Why do they need 54% of the city's money, all they do is weaponize the department to fight with the people who by the way are mostly law abiding citizens.
You can look up your city council's allocation of general funds in your area easily. I found mine local to the Tampa area with a quick google search. Yeah, it's bad. We use almost half of our budget to fund the police. 120 million dollars. Guess what public housing recieves? Just one million
@@krsna17 now this is an eye opener because so much can be put into neighborhoods to help people with housing and other issues that would help with a more positive manor and the out come would have a better result..
“What about murder? What about rape? What if your child got kidnapped?” Great questions, then she says “The reality is the police aren’t doing a very good job at handling those situations.” And then changes the subject. So who should work on that then? What do you do when your child goes missing or someone gets raped? Who responds to a robbery or an attack? Who investigates a murder? What do they propose should replace that part of the system? That’s what I want to hear from the people proposing to straight up abolish.
@@spreston5230 It's all a psyop. NO ONE thinks like this. These are actors playing a role of sowing dissent. Read the comments, this is not what people think.
I appreciate this conversation, it has given me a clearer understanding of where the movement is coming from. I do think it's one that needs to continue. I agree that we need to address the lack of social programs to help the overall heath and safety of our fellow citizens. I absolutely think we need to abolish the military police mentality we currently have and have a force that is there to protect and serve every citizen. We need balance, accountability and justice for all. I think we need those programs that were mentioned to get there and a better redirected force to protect and serve. I know first hand that not all Officer's are bad. One was called to a house where a known mental patient lived. He had taken a butcher knife and was going to kill his room mate. The officer answered the call alone, with his mic keyed up and calling for help, he didn't banish his gun, he stepped out and between them to protect the room mate and used HIS TRAINING to talk the man from his weapon and get him the care he needed. He put his life in danger to do what he signed up to do. That is what we need more of. Those men and women are our heroes. The rest from the top down have to go with the other criminals that they are. Lets not throw the baby out with the nasty bath water, lets clean it all up. VOTE!
Thank you for this comment, truly. I agree that the system needs to be changed and allocating roles to other departments in conjunction with the police is a great idea. Defunding is okay, but completely abolishing them I don't agree with.
I remember in the 60's when the police fired high powered streams of water from fire hoses. Today, they're firing high powered bullets from military weapons.
@John Bennington I can describe them. I've lived most of my life in areas where several of my neighbors had actual RPGs and SKSs. However, in all honesty, if the residents of these neighborhoods had had access to the services that they really needed and had been treated like real, actual human beings instead of low class vermin that need to be handled with the same respect as any other vile pest, they would have neither wanted nor needed the weaponry.
@John Bennington In the 'shitty" EU country I'm from, regular police has only handguns. Anything heavier is only available for designated SWAT-like teams.
@@LINKINPARK262 If your neighbors had actual RPG’s them they were probably terrorists and your probably lived in the Middle East. As for the SKS’s , they are totally legal.
Thank you for 2 things: 1) Doing this panel. A lot of great information from the source is what helps change hearts and minds, and this panel was so valuable for the way they presented their arguments, facts, and opinions. 2) Thank you for perfect captions so I can share the video with friends in the Deaf community and they don't have to figure out what the captions are *trying* to say. Captions are so often overlooked, but for some among us, they're critical. Thank you for getting that right too!
Meanwhile in actual reality 80 percent of black people were against defunding police and what ended up happening is the crime rate spiked in places that did it, hurting minorities the worst. Anyone that advocated for defunding the police has blood on their hands.
I’m 12 years old. I’m scared of scary movies and bugs. I’m scared of Covid-19 and human beings. I’m scared of criminals like rapists, killers, and arsonists. I don’t want the police abolished because a world without police is stupid. I’m someone who if there is the smallest chance something can go wrong, I back out. You adults can purchase guns and restraining orders to protect yourselves, WHAT YOU REALIZE IS WHAT YOU’RE DOUNG TO US, us kids have to put up with the things you do. When you abolish the police, you’re leaving us to pick the pieces, destroying my future. I’ve always realized that if I wanted to be successful, I need to start young. Just yesterday, I was crying to myself in a corner “ I’m going to die, I’m going to die, I’m going to die” I’m 12 and I tell myself these things so that when it all goes horribly wrong, at least I know was prepared for the end. DON’T DESTROY MY FUTURE!
I'm for repeal and replace but I was totally lost when a couple of the panelists asked what do cops really do? I'm not rich and I lived next to the trap. I called police on dope boys, I wasn't going over there. I've called them on prostitutes walking down the street because I have kids playing outside. I called when someone was breaking into a house on my street as well. So who would I call if there is no police? Serious QUESTION!
My understanding is, and it seems there's not necessarily a clear vision, But from what's been done and a few cities, defunding would require reallocation of responsibilities and resources to better equipped organizations. Again from my understanding, This would limit the responsibilities and power of the police by reorganizing responsibilities based on qualifications and skills. For example, does the police really need to be dealing with homelessness? do they need to be called when music is too loud at a party? When somebody is barbecuing and possibly using the wrong kind of fire starter? What about issues that come from mental illness? We keep throwing more and more responsibilities on the police as if they can just fix everything. Also the relationship between poverty and crime is no secret, so in areas where there is high crime, It makes sense to invest in education, workforce opportunities, access to mental Health, and so on vs just throwing ppl in jail.. in which case you end up in a cycle.
@@jemi3822 police should ONLY be called for specific situations.... Not domestic, not mental health, not homelessness. The situations I see them being useful is if there's a massive threat to public safety and gun expertise is required, ie "a perp with a weapon" with immediate harm eminent. These situations occur very infrequently, just as the fire department doesn't get called until there's a fire Squad cars driving around looking for trouble has proven not to be effective. Psychological and emotional IQ test should also be mandatory for any jobs that carry a significant amount of power (capable of taking life).
2/3 times that you called the police are perfect examples of when the police were called for situations that would have been better handled by other services. Drug use criminalization has only hurt people, and not decreased drug use at all. Sex workers are also criminalized instead of being protected with safer conditions off the street. Health workers and/or social workers would have been able to intervene in those situations in far more meaningful ways than the police.
Plus we need to acknowledge that many people can't call under those conditions CURRENTLY. If you call they either won't respond at all or they will come out and be a threat to the people they're supposed to help. Many people can't call police NOW. Also because of all the crap they've put in place, they spend time on activities that make money or get them public acknowledgement rather than dealing with whatever comes up. Our cops in my town might answer but honestly most of their efforts are in ticketing people. Many people have said they can't get a call back after assaults. So even if there were zero police presence it would make no difference in those terms for a lot of people. It would be an improvement in a lot of cases (like where people are losing loved ones to unsolved, uninvestigated murders but also have to worry about being beaten to death if they have a taillight out)
Definitely a good time to really debate the issues here. There are different ways to get to social justice and equality and we have to consider all the approaches 🧐🤨
"Abolish means you're solving your own crimes": Meghan McCain's ignorant understanding of Abolish Police even AFTER just being eloquently schooled on the matter by Sunny Hostin Some people choose not to be educated to keep their partisan talking points alive
But abolish still means putting an end to something. Some people get scared because they take the word literally and then they tell you to do your own research on what they mean. Oh no we don't mean to abolish the police, but the system on how they work, and then you have other people saying oh no we want to get rid of the police we don't need them.
6:52: Trevor asks "Do you see a world without police, or is it a different kind of police?" The response is abolish means abolish. With no police, and no one to replace the police, who is solving your crimes? There was a big discussion about how this movement is decentralized. The problem with decentralization is you don't have a consistent message. I'm all for moving many (or maybe even all) police tasks to other groups, but simply defunding or abolishing the police without a plan to replace them will not go well. (Even with a plan, it is going to be a very rough ride for the transition.)
I'm from Germany. Nobody in their right mind would call for "defunding the police" here. Why? Because German policemen do not willingly kill people who are innocent or have committed some petty crime that you don't go to jail for. Because German policemen NEVER draw a gun and ask questions later. Because tasks that any police force is not designed to do are usually performed by those that are - like psychiatrists or social workers (or sometimes social workers and the police cooperate in cases where people on the street do show violent behavior). The problem in the US is the sequence of necessary reform - first defunding the police without having a new system already in place in order to keep the social peace is putting the cart before the horse and would cause unnecessary additional harm.
I feel like they shouldn’t disband the police but reform the departments and do routine checks on officers as well as make it easier to prosecute officers.
SaphireKancer90 then reinvent it. But fact is that law enforcement is necessary if you don’t want anarchy. And the name for law enforcement simply is "police". Comes from latin (politeia)
No one's going to remove police from the USA. All that's proposed is a change in funding to keep the police from being needed in the 1st place. Our police are burdened with social issues they are not prepared to deal with like homelessness drug addictions and mental illness. These should not be treated with the police.
@@onyxul are u dumb stupid or dumb cause trevor is an amazing spokesman he's funny but he mk so much more sense tahn most news reporters and this mk him look smarter than ever so watch ur mouth man
@@snipermaster6329 i thought it was until today when i saw his vision about statues and history and protests.Either an idiot or an hypocrite.Or both,i believe.But if you think again,hbo canceled "gone with the winds" because it was "racist".A movie from 1931,a movie for which the first black woman recieved an oscar.Compared to them,yep,might be a little smarter but not by much.I imagine the next move would be to bring down Rome because it was built with slaves,no?But how about the money?How about those country who benefits from slavery pay what they stole from others,all those great empires?No?
@@onyxul honey, please make a coherent point. You're all over the place. What is the question or argument that you're trying to make? If you want to call a Trevor Noah an idiot please at least demonstrate the bare minimum of being able to make a point.
Thank you SO MUCH Trevor for getting these folks on your show and having an honest, open, and accessible discussion about this. I cannot stress enough how valuable this is, especially on a platform like yours which reaches so many people. Peace!
I love Trevor’s work, this is so informative! Also I imagine this is what the all other networks imagine having all those talking heads on together is like lol. FOX/CNN/NBC should take note that a discussion panel should be like this, not just simply inviting a few sane people and one from the administration just to “provide balance” and have them fight on air
Also setup cameras everywhere outside of homes. If everything is filmed 24/7 we can all be sure that everyone is doing what they are supposed to. A camera on every tree and building if so if the police cameras are off you still have 10 others catching them being violent.
Make it like when a potentially drunk-driver refuses the breathalyzer. "We can't force you, but that means we have to assume that you're doing something wrong."
I’m an an Emt and respond to those mental health 911 calls or as they call them in my state: Edp calls= calls for emotionally disturbed people. These calls can get seriously out of hand and dangerous and I could not begin to imagine going into the homes of these individuals without a police officer. You try speaking to someone and getting them to ultimately do what you need them to do when they are not on their medication, or they have been in some altercation where tensions are high etc, without a police officer. We are going way way way to far with the Abolish the police idea.... that can’t and won’t happen. I know that policing needs reform but your kidding yourselves if you think police do not do anything. Cmon now, let’s not make this our motive....I refuse to support it.
It is a discussion. Of course, defunding police will not happen overnight and I'm sure that many in this country will ensure that the ones who will be involved in this system, will get a say in whether they will need protection or otherwise. I'm glad I saw this comment though, it made me realize that though this conversation is inspiring and hopeful, many discussions will need to take place- in order to make a system that actually does more good than harm. Short term and long....
But realize by shifting funding from the police to real robust mental health care, and care for the homeless that call would not be necessary. It's difficult to say what system would be ideal but the current system is broken and exists to protect wealthy white people from the rest of us
You are saying all you need is force to assist you and a level of protection that is not a problem but we are talking about when you are not there and the police are called what is left but a level of protection and force. The police is too broad , what you need is a unit trained in your specific needed with proper monitoring systems and proper communications with families. That unit will assist you the same way at all times because they are trained in that specific thing. But right now you call the police and all you get is a level of protection and force. We need more than that. We have reached a point where all we want is a level of protection and force. This is not right for the times we live in. If you had a mentally ill child and that child escaped would you want current law enforcement to care for your child. You would be lucky if your child came back without damage.
This was one of the most hopeful things I’ve seen in the past few weeks. Maybe it’s my mindset but I actually feel better after watching this. Thanks Trevor Noah.
Isn’t it crazy that the best eduction we are getting on this topic is coming from a comedian? Trevor - keep it up boss! People are listening to you and learning... I learn from you every day
Thank you so much for hosting this panel. I work as a public librarian and I know first hand that your panelists are very right about police being the only go-to, often, for social ills. I will never forget the day when one of our regular patrons, whom we knew to be homeless, was clearly having a mental breakdown. She spoke of wanting to harm herself. She cried to anyone who would listen. We were terrified that she wouldn't make it through the night if we made her leave come closing time. My colleagues and I called every shelter, social worker, and hospital in the area to try to get her help without having to call the police. They all said the same thing: it starts with the police. When I called the police officer, he said that *he* had to hear her threaten her life - but, of course, she clammed up with him around. I spoke with the woman in question and convinced her to go with him. She came back a few days later and thanked me, telling me that she had received the help she needed and that her life situation was improving. But why does it start with the police? Wouldn't it be better if a call to 911 resulted in the dispatch of some mental health professionals to such a scene rather than the dispatch of two men with guns?
Thank you SO much for this video! I recently heard of "defunding" the police and my first reaction was "What?! No way!" Taking money away from the police did not sound like the way to go, but now I understand that defunding the police is about reallocating resources. It makes a whole lot of sense now, and I totally agree that we should defund the police. Honestly, I still can't wrap my head about "abolishing" the police, but perhaps I need to watch more videos and do some more reading to understand the concept better. Thanks again!
So Cal oh so when social workers start getting stabbed and shot how will your idea work then? Who is better qualified? How is a social worker going to do against the most dangerous call police respond to? Which is domestic violence.
@@toastywaffles2551 I have my master's in social work and can say that yes we would be better trained to work with several of the issues. We are trained in de-escalation techniques that prevent people from becoming hostile. We work in domestic violence shelters, in homeless shelters, in psych wards, etc. We are already pretty familiar with these issues. This is not to say that police wouldn't have a role. But maybe funding more mental health workers to be the front lines and using police as a last resort. Or even if they had domestic violence units where a social worker is paired with a police officer and they go together. We are trained to quickly built rapport with a person and de-escalate as quickly as possible which prevents violence. I have seen many situations that could have turned violent if a social worker hadn't been present to help calm a person down.
Have to take a moment to thank you Trevor for presenting this and, in general, your open questioning manner. It helps me there is some possibility of understanding and finding a way to be supportive without being against.
@Willow B No it doesn't. The whole point of BLM is to push equality. Black lives need to matter AS MUCH as all lives. Read the racist comments, it's clear they do not at this point in history.
Willow B yes all lives matter and I totally agree with you but right now black lovers are being taken away by somebody that are meant to protect us so of course there’s a reason why it’s only called “Black live Matter”. Their job is to speak for the black lives. The name describes all that. If you want a momvement to speak about all lives, then start your own called “All lives matter “
no we dont...no one in their rite mind does this is retarded ....try it in Chicago first and let me know how it works out for ya then New Orleans....if it works out there then maybe lol
In my neighborhood it feels like there is no police anyways. There was a full shot out in front my apartment it took the police over a hour to come. Crazy cause right down the street police b there 24-7 giving tickets.
@@justinmathis8078 Lol! No! More paid officials, running away... you can't afford that kind of escalation forewer. Education works. Violence also works, but in the opposite direction to the one we should want to take, as a species.
They don't want to do the real work. They want to make quota with tickets and arrests but not deal with crime. If they fix the crime they're cancelling themselves out and know it
The officers giving tickets may not have the same jurisdiction to handle domestic violence, so your local pd may be overworked and aren't able to get there quickly.
It's funny, they talk like having a mental health specialist is a sure fire way to deescalate a situation. Their rationale isn't wrong, but i do believe that their vision is grossly underestimating the human factor. Police shouldn't be the go to for every situation, that i agree with, but to outright say we don't need them is quite dangerous. We need to adjust the current system, not remove it entirely.
It need to be removed entirely because it’s corrupt from the roots. You can change or reform something that was built of rotted ground. I know it’s hard to think about because there’s never been a world without the police but for us but they need to go and be replaced with something better😊. Also I’m not trying to argue with you, just state my case and the cases of many other people.
The Police and The whole Justice System needs to be reformed. As a Black Woman I have been pulled over many times and even went to Jail for smoking Weed. Even though I have a College Degree I was only able to find work as a Housekeeper cleaning Toilets. I'm not able to get a better Job because of the Criminal Record which also means I can't earn enough to help and support my Family. I really hope that there will be Progress soon.
Seal your record, you speak like you are owed a better life while you break the law. If weed is that important then your college degree is of no value to you, nor was the time it took to attain it.
We do not need to reinvent the wheel to fix this. Just look at how successful countries like Finland and other Northern European countries do it and copy that. They have strong social services and safety nets. They have little poverty because of living wages. They have fantastic educators, free college tuition, good mental help, etc. A big part of this will to be to wrest control of our government from the 1% so they and big corporations will finally pay their fair share of taxes. It will also mean fair living wages for every job which they will resist! Sure, we still need some cops for catching truly violent people like serial killers, robbers, muggers but those incidents should decrease if we improve all of the above. This is truly a time to redo a lot in how our society operates.
While I agree with the majority of what you are saying something funded by way of taxation is not "free" and I truly wish people would stop thinking that way. The simple reality is sometimes taxation leads to contradictory outcomes, especially here in the US where an old woman can have her farm ceased by the IRS for non-payment of a property tax she couldn't afford. Just please stop throwing the word free around, it's misleading.
@@justinemassey9233 I'm sorry miss but I have to disagree with this very "Sanders" economic theory. "The top 1%" is basically anyone making more than 300k a year. The ones who should be taxed is the "non-person" AKA the corporate "entities" which control billions of dollars or individuals worth billions, which in fact would be the top .0001%.
@Nicolaus Volentius the solution for one problem isn't inherently the answer to all problems. Unlike the US those nations have been regulating corporate wealth for decades. Even if you took 50% of EVERYONE'S EARNINGS In the US it would not equate to corporate control of American wealth. TBH folks from other nations should look into how our tax codes work and the level of write off available to business and corporation owners in comparison to that the individual. I will say it again, taxing the individual will not balance the scales of wealth.
So this question is not meant to be confrontational or sarcastic, I’m genuinely curious: when Trevor asked the woman about what to do for something like a kidnapping or a violent domestic dispute, her answer was a nonanswer. She said “well....the police aren’t very good at it”. Wtf... that’s literally not an answer. So my question is: is having NOBODY there to pulling an aggressive man who just beat his wife out of his house (which happens ALL the time) better than having someone imperfect doing it? And before you respond “well use deescalation tactics to convince him to leave on his own”, that is a utopian idealistic idea but not 100% realistic. You will ALWAYS have at least some people who refuse to cooperate despite deescalation tactics. What then? Until someone explains to me a proper answer, I don’t see how we could ever have a world with no police. And I am open to changing my mind so please respond below.
Grainne Ni Malley how would a neighborhood association deal with a family asking for help removing a man who has beat his wife or kids multiple times? Again not being sarcastic or anything but STILL nobody is providing a concrete example of how you confront the violent individual and get them from point a to point b. Vaguely saying “cops are bad at that” isn’t an answer because there are examples of them doing it every day. I don’t understand why nobody can help me understand how they’d deal with this type of situation. Just the other day a local pizza place was robbed. The police came to the scene, scanned the footage, identified the thief, and went and arrested him. Again, this type of crime solving happens in white AND black neighborhoods every day. Someone provide me a detailed explanation of how that would’ve been resolved with no police. Just explain the actual technique and I’ll be on board with the movement
Grainne Ni Malley again a vague and 100% meaningless answer. A place can be robbed of more than the cash or “sustenance” it has. But thanks for trying.
@Grainne Ni Malley There’s nothing of substance in there at all. This is why I don’t support this BS movement. What solutions do you propose? What would be better than police for these types of situations? You say you “know what to do”. What is that?
In Finland the police have a 3 and a half year education. Even after that they're constantly evaluated. And ONLY like 20% of that training if even that is use of force. We have crime scene investigation, we have psychology, etc. etc. The application to the school takes months and you have psychological tests, aptitude tests etc.
I believe in the US however the police do need to be educated more, chosen more firmly. But to do so the system needs to change. The police can't do their job properly which is solving crimes if they're given 100 other tasks that don't relate to their job and non sufficient training. And then ontop of that they're put into a system that I dare to say even encourages violence or at least doesn't do anything about it.
Am Swedish man. Will vouch for Finland. While i don't approve of ANY police, nuances DO exist, and the general attitude, and funding, of a given society, matters... A LOT!
Take their toys away, and make them personally (privately) liable.
Police your police, daily... and if you can not: To hell with them!
Literally all an American person needs is a high school diploma, 6 weeks of training and to NOT score too high on an IQ test.
Will also testify as a Finn, don't remember when I'd have last heard that a police had to shoot anybody for anything...
But I think this thing has also risen to cover more systematic and deeper running problems of designed scarcity and economy ahead run, what appears to be nepotist police state.
What made Finland a well-fare state ( I say made in past partly as the poorest get cut down here just like there, while the corporations get loans and special rights. All to come have been cut) were good, free education, healthcare system, which includes mental health and social services, you could try and fail, yet get back up.
Today, it isn't that easy to rise from the pit. Health care is medication more often than not.
So, as well as being supportive of the black lives matter movement, I also feel this is also about more, as there is more behind that. Why don't black lives matter in our societies? Poor lives? Human well-being? but economy? Why? The roots are deep here..
Why does USA have a gigantous overkill military budget, so big that they basically have to give and auction them to the police or trash over produced military equipment, but no real medicare? Education? Those cost a fraction of what arms deals do, that's why, it's the bottom line. And they don't produce cattle, they have no profit to be made instantly to any corporation entity. Parts that they can ruin and make money out of, like education and student debts, they already do so.
Finland, we also condemn Saudi-Arabia about the human rights, among our selves, yet sell grenade launchers to them to be used against the Yemeni people.
Flags, borders, they are just to keep us separated, from understanding our power. Monarchy in the UK, yet cuts need to be always made from where there is the least money. Nations are for slaves, corporations or money have no borders, no nation or accountability. Just a diplomat pass to everywhere and huge leverage and power,
If this felt like a huge piece of txt, it kind of proves how we are dumped down, made anxious. Meme replicators.
This sounds like actual change or progress. I like it. Too often we hear or say things need to change but no one knows where to start or how to change. May we all assist the process of Real Change on this Earth and do whats right and just for Ourselves and the Biosphere 🙏
Like we don't have enough money to take care of the elderly, but we definitely need some fighters!! Against...Russia? Finland? Few damn billion dollar fighters wont much save us if Russia decides to come a knocking. Sweden? Unlikely as Norway. Maybe USA or China, who knows, but the same, wtf does few fighter jets help tiny Finland?
Actually, Finlands dirty secret, the Saami-people, our own indigenous tribe pushed up north and autonomy taken... Live in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. They might rebel?
What USA does with all those trillions, can't even fathom, a deathstar?
I love that Trevor was able guide the conversation while everyone got to be heard. We need more people like Trevor that has the ability to make everyone heard but not silencing others.
@ChadThunderCock wow. Your name on here says alot about you but your comment is what is ignorant. Did you truly listen or just stew the whole time waiting to talk shit? Naybe you should research some of these resources and open you mind and heart to a world where opportunity and support for all equally can lift up millions and create a safer and more productive society. Why not believe we might be able to do it? How depressing to think we cant.
TREVOR FOR PRESIDENT!
EXCELLENT DIPLOMACY SKILLS!!
His ability to listen plays a big part in his own measured and frequently on point rhetoric. He's brilliant
Makes actual news shows look like total noobs & shouting matches
Unless you have a different opinion lol
"He who opens a school door, closes a prison." - Victor Hugo
That is so beautiful!
@@pineapplesoda I thought so too. 💗 Prevention is better than the cure.
@@reneec13reni prevention, on the path to heal.
Renee Chen who invented condoms closed many prisons!
Unless you create a monetary incentive to keep prison doors open. In that case when you open up education, you close a rich white man's wallet and that's not tolerated.
Trevor Noah has an incredible way of asking the right questions. That is a skill wildly underrated.
He also seems to really do his research. I also appreciate his perspective as ´´not´´an American, from South Africa, his view on US politics, culture, race, etc.
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He grew up in South Africa during apartheid. His birth was literally illegal due to having a white father. I don’t think this is a trendy SJW thing for him.
Agreed. This was a great panel discussion.
he is a thinker in disguise of comedian.
Absolutely true. He researches, reads and asks pertinent questions.
I was an MP in the Marines and it shocks me how the policing environment in the civilian sector is more militaristic than it was for me as an actual military policeman. We were taught that we were policing our brother and sister Marines and their families. We had a "police your neighbor" approach where as Civilian police have been trained with an "us against them" mentality and have been give ordinance and taught tactics used by actual occupying forces. De-funding, restructuring and reallocating resources and responsibilities is the way to go. However it doesn't need to be a lip service approach. Actual action needs to be taken to change the culture of policing and those that can not adjust need to be removed. While I'm on my soap box I'll add this. I'm a proponent of UBI for so many of the reasons stated in the conversation I just heard. Not only would Universal Basic Income help abolish poverty it would reduce stress, anxiety, crime and allow for many of the issues our police are asked to "fix" on the back end, to actually be fixed at a community level on the front end. I miss Andrew Yang.
Cops are militarized to protect & serve the 1%.
very interesting..Thank you sir👍🏽
I m the 100th one to like
I agree with most of what Calabash said regarding police and a fundamental change in policy in required. However, UBI is disturbing if it results in a normalization of wages, because then you have communism. Otherwise it is just a higher paying form of welfare that someone will have to foot the bill for.
I am an Army veteran. I deployed 3x to warzones. The part that I am always so appalled about is the casual way police point the barrels of their guns at people.
Muzzle awareness was always a priority in the army. Some weapon holsters were banned because their positioning made it so the muzzles could be pointed in the direction of people.
We train not to flag our battle buddies. Flagging is just having the muzzle flash towards a teammate even for a second.
We follow an Escalation of Force protocol which doesn't involve pointing our guns until the latter of the 2nd step of 5 steps.
Finally, the percentage of shootings that end in death is alarming. Part of the escalation of force protocols is shooting to disarm prior to shooting to kill. So how are so many unarmed individuals being shot to death?
This is all common sense in the army while living in a combat zone. How are police failing in normal civilization? They point their guns at everyone whether they are a danger or not and no one survives encounters with them. At some point, they are just appointed thugs. They don't have any concerns outside their own well-being and enjoyment.
All of them need to do a ride along in Chicago lol
Right!
Honey, they're in LA. Potatoes Po-ta-toes. You're not listening to what they're saying.
@@beachgirl48 says the white person to the minority... 🙄
@@beachgirl48 Come to Detroit honey. I guarantee your finger will be dialing 911 in the first 2 minutes.
@@razgrizraven For brake light laws and seatbelt laws. Oh the horror
I am elderly with grandchildren living with me...and haven't been outside my home in 4 months due to this pandemic.....my support is my vote...come November I"ll be voting for leaders who support these changes. It's time to clean house of the complacent, compliant and silent.
Thank you for speaking up and voting. Stay safe and lets make a better world for the little ones :)
AMen Now❄️🙏😎!
Problem is, L, we don't have any leaders who are willing to do this very important work, on either side, because we have 2 totally corrupt parties.
@@ritamariekelley4077 Nothing scares a politician more...than the POWER of the people's vote...AND how easy it is for the average citizen to find out where the politician stand on issues, facts they gather all on their own using the information highway. What some people fail to realize; the politicians KNOW how powerful these two things are...and for YEARS have worked to reduce voting and information impact....from gerrymandering...to just recently requiring in- person voting during a PANDEMIC....to creating their own narratives and having supporters repeat them ad nauseam....all clues to candidates I will not vote for. Voting is the one right an American citizen has... that goes straight from the hand...to the tally.
P Muller that was so well said and correct. Not to be snide but I don’t know how on earth you could have been a registered Republican. Biden is full of flaws however he is an actual human with compassion who loves this country.
Trump is an empty shell of a man who cares about nothing but himself and his image. He has zero compassion and a limited intellect at best. He has a decades long history of being a racist.
He is unfit to lead. He was even unfit to run his own companies successfully.
As a social worker, I absolutely love the idea of calling someone like me or another mental health provider instead of the police. I specialize in mental health, and have de-escalated quite a few people over the years. I’ve worked in crisis counseling, so getting a random call at 2 AM about a mentally disturbed person who is getting unruly is definitely in my skill set as well as other mental health and medical professionals.
ETA: I should have said JUST the police, not instead of the police. It made it sound like I'd be alone and I don't plan to.
I think the problem is that everyone knows how do dial 911 however few know how to contact someone like you.
Thanks for caring and keep up the good work.
Salute to u! Keep it up!!
Honest questions: Are you willing to go to the scene of a violent, disturbed man an risk your life? What about a drunk, violent man who just beat the shit out of his wife?
macolyis you taking it to a level of rape and murder by a minority is reactionary and NOT what the social worker is talking about. You sound EXACTLY like Trump coming down his escalator in Trump towers in 2015 talking about Mexicans being rapists and murderers and carrying drugs. I am not going to argue with someone like you.
Me too as psychologist my self I'd love to help and be part on this kind of service, which is my every day job.
@@S.T.A.550 I worked in a prison (not jail, prison) and a psychiatric hospital. I've had things thrown at me, spat at, threatened, followed, and gropped. I'm still doing my thing. Also, no one said we'd show up alone. We could be on-call or embedded. That's the way we worked when I was a sexual assault crisis counselor.
I’m a black woman born and raised in a high poverty, high crime neighborhood. People who think we can abolish policing are delusional. Reform? Yes. Defund? Yes. Abolish? No.
Hi Big Mona, you are absolutely right. Good negotiators always start by asking for way too much . It looks too radical and too extreme then when they settle in the middle it feels comfortable.
They are not really talking about taking all the money. Just economic sanctions if they don't get it together . For instance they don't need to buy used military equipment and come out every protest like it's a war on the citizens they are supposed to protect, not attack.
@@nicktaylor5952 Kamala Harris was talking about defunding the police as a budget cut and she's a person
@@CJ-uo5cl CJ the mainstream media has you in their back pocket. Smh. The police are not Iran. They are our ally. Trust me, not all police are bad. You've just been inundated with negativity about isolated incidents so much the past few days that you actually think the best fix is a quick fix. Don't let the media program you to slowly acquiesce to the radical ideas being aired on shows like this.
@@2345-i8b "not all police are bad" does not justify doing nothing. If one cop kneels on the neck of a fellow citizen and kills him, while three other police men around him do nothing, then we have a problem. If that is a real possibility in the system that we've created, we need to change something about that system. That should simply not be possible and it doesn't have to be.
There might be some police departments, where not all cops are bad.
Did you see that video of the police men shoving that 75year old man? Two police officers got fired. In response, their entire team resigned out of solidarity, like 50 cops. When those criminal cops, who let a 75year old man bleed out on the street (there were like 30 police men standing around and walking past that man without helping him or calling for help!) walked out of the court house, the entire PD stood and clapped for them in solidarity to show their support! SUPPORT for WHAT? An ENTIRE police department clapping for cops who rightfully got fired for harsh misconduct. Old people often die when they fall and receive no help. That that man could've died and not a single one of those cops cared.
Tell me where the good cops are in that police department? Shoving the man was wrong, not doing anything about it was wrong, not helping the man was wrong, there is no reason to celebrate cops who do that, celebrating them is wrong, yet everyone in that police department participated in at least one of those actions. Where is the cop that does the right thing, the thing that isn't wrong? Don't tell me that police department still has good cops.
That is the kind of gang mentality that is a threat to our constitutional state. Accountability is fundamental.
What I've taken from this panel is that the Defund the Police movement isn't about doing away with law enforcement altogether but about challenging our cultural perception of law enforcement by redistributing responsibilities and resources to organizations that are better at handling them and away from an institution that has been soaking in systemic racism since before the birth of this nation.
I imagined that my only source of income came from working in a company whose policy around the security detail is handled in the same way that the United States in handling the police force and it made me sick.
I cannot afford to donate, but I will spread the message of Black Lives Matter and Defund The Police.
Pretty much - its Rethink Law Enforcement and Community Services away from the Generic Shoot and Arrest Model we have now
It’d be very helpful if people like the Minneapolis (where I live) City Council leader wouldn’t dismiss basic law enforcement as unimportant! If they & Defund Police advocates would guarantee basic ideal law enforcement, then I certainly won’t be queasy about the new movement.
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It's strange how everytime a community or even an entire society tries or strives for something radically progressive their ideas are downplayed as a form of potentially causing chaos and unrest even though the new ideas come into existance as a form of countering that very chaos, injustice and unrest
@Lou Hayhurst You should be sending your reparations bill to the descendants of those Democrats who were responsible for the slave trade, the gross majority of whom are white southern Republicans.
@@vinayakohri1293 it's because people don't like change unless it obviously benefits them more than the current system it's a survival thing
So glad America has someone like Trevor Noah who isn't from this country but is working towards making it good
A lot of the people that help make it good or live here aren't from here.
@papa joe stalin of Stalinist stanistan He is from from Africa in South Africa.
papa joe stalin of Stalinist stanistan he is South African
Yesss!!!
@@SuperUnathi it is south Africa (a country) in African continent
5:10 Quick fact-check: The LA police department receives 1.5 billion of a budget of 10.5 billion. That's 14%, not 54%.
It's good that we have this discussions, even if I personally don't see the benefit of abolishing the police altogether. Restructuring or reinventing, sure; but crime doesn't go away just because you get rid of the police.
It's similar to saying "let's get rid of the health care system, because healthcare is too expensive for most people", it's true that it is too expensive, but abolishing it and seeing everyone die "equally" is not a viable way to solve the problem.
She's talking about budget proposals. When they allocate new money for budget proposals, of the total increase LAPD gets 54%, some services get less, and others get -% to accommodate the LAPD budget increase. That's at least how it was originally put to me by someone. The panelist def could've worded it better but nice fact checking!
We must always be careful, especially when it is an idea we are sympathetic to, to know that activists always twist data to fit their cause.
For them, the ends justify the means, or they are willfully ignorant of the nuance in the data.
Thanks for being careful
“What about murder? What about rape? What if your child got kidnapped?” Great questions, then she says “The reality is the police aren’t doing a very good job at handling those situations.” And then changes the subject. So who should work on that then? What do you do when your child goes missing or someone gets raped? Who responds to a robbery or an attack? Who investigates a murder? What do they propose should replace that part of the system? That’s what I want to hear from the people proposing to straight up abolish.
S Preston oh don’t worry the community will solve it!!!
@@spreston5230 I think your point is valid overall, but consider that some people are not very well served by the current system either. www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/06/29/milwaukee-girl-found-chicago-mom-social-media-savvy-activists/745876002/
Take a moment and realize that what you just watched (or *are watching* if you read comments while still watching the vid) could not possibly happen on Fox News. I’m not talking about the specific content at all, I mean having a civil discourse where a group of people work collectively to share their ideas and visions, where the host wants to hear what the guests have to say, where the “competition” is to make the best presentation of the topic at hand, rather than what Fox wants to show, which is conflict, ego, one person dominating another person in a “battle of ideas.” Agree or disagree with any particular policy point, it doesn’t matter, Fox never wants to build anything up, they are only interested in the spectacle of tearing things down.
Not just Fox though John, it's like that on most cable news networks unfortunately. Their jobs are to get views rather than to educate, and we're all worse off for it.
Sad to say this is true of all Cable news. Cable news is more like a "show" than news. I think someone pointed that out CNN keeps bringing on people whose ideals have been disproven just to spice up shows.
They're looting everything hiding behind George Floyd.And cnn and nbc don't show anything about that.This are facts.I'm romanian,don't give a shit about what happens in the US but i hate propaganda.I've lived 9 years in comunism so i know what i'm talking about.And what cnn and nbc and all the democrat media does is exactly this:propaganda against Trump.They stoped presenting facts long time ago.th-cam.com/video/sQK269QHfLc/w-d-xo.html I didn't see this on cnn and nbc.
@@onyxul fox is also propaganda. politics is nasty.
Well let's not jut blame Fox for this, all mainstream media doesn't really provide good discourse. And to be honest, this one doesn't either. There is some disagreements, but ultimately its more or less an echo chamber. If you have the same values, yea you aren't going to talk over one another. You aren't going to get into screaming matches.
The day I realized #DefundThePolice was necessary was when my 9 months pregnant Ugandan friend and her two sisters were surrounded by police in LA.
- *TEN* police cars surrounded them, sirens running, hemming them in behind and before
-a helicopter was circling.
- guns were drawn,
- officers were holding back beying canines
- they had instructions yelled at them from megaphones.
This is two weeks before my friend gave birth. Fortunately, she survived.
Turns out, the police were looking for suspects of a burglary. The only description they had was three black people, and my friend and her sisters qualified. 🙄
54% of Los Angeles unrestricted /discretionary budget goes. To policing. That's insane! 👀
When you have police driving military tanks in a little one street hick village, there is a problem.
Remember when LAPD killed Rodney King?
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@ChadThunderCock if they had a better moral compass to begin with they wouldn't have done a lot of the things they had. Somethings can't be reformed. The culture that surrounds them will be the same, the blue code will always be held higher than their police code of conduct to protect and serve. Of course not all police are bad, but the good ones allowed things to get to where they are so they just as guilty.
@ChadThunderCock you obviously didn't listen to what was being said here
Re older people not showing up at protests: we are avoiding the crowds because of CV-19.
In our town, the second day of protests a local group organized a drive by honk-your-horn protest, specifically to help those that were self distancing to be able to participate. Police blocked the streets we originally were going to drive down, and the on-foot protestors had to face the police groups that had been called in from around the count, who showed up with their best military riot gear and weapons. The honkers circled the area. The videos afterwards had this background of continuous honking, a reminder that there were more paying attention than those on the street. Even being kept a few blocks away, solidarity was messaged.
great!
I have lived in Taiwan for 15 years and I can testify that there is a better way of policing. The police here are not bullies and are not obsessed with proving how tough they are. They don't wear bullet-proof body armor. They don't call backup for a traffic stop and they never, ever advance with their weapons drawn. This is possible because the public does not hate or fear the police. They drive around with their lights flashing because they want people to know they are nearby, and nobody feels fear if you see them in your mirror. If they hoot the siren at you you stop and get out to find out what they want to talk about, and you don't get put up against the car or cuffed "for your safety and mine" and put face down in the mud. Why aren't the people afraid? Because the police don't abuse the people. Why don't the police abuse the people? Because when the people don't feel threatened they don't respond in a threatening manner. American police procedures make honest people hate them. Then the whole world is their enemy and they have to wear armor and go paramilitary nuts on the rank and file just to be sure they will see their kids again. It will take the legendary courage of the "thin blue line of heroes" to undo the damage of at least a half century. Get rid of the armor and the assault weapons, maybe even talk to the people you claim to "serve and protect". There is no other choice.
I really think this is meaningful. My mom graduated from the Central Police University in Taiwan and worked for the NSB of Taiwan. When she got married and moved to America, she's been adjusting and has done really well since she now teaches music and is providing for both her family here and in Taiwan. She told me the other day when we were driving to visit a family gathering that she is scared of police in America and that she wasn't scared of Police in Taiwan and she was trained to shoot and fight in hand to hand combat in Taiwan. That should really tell you something is wrong.
When you put it that way...
I have to admit, in the few times I did family visits to Taiwan, I didn't feel particularly intimidated by Taiwanese cops when they were around, but they gave off the aura of genuine civil servant, rather than overeager wannabe ubermensch.
This was so powerful to me. Do you mind if I share this on my Facebook? People need to hear the peaceful nature of policing and it's success due to the respect from both the people and the police. You give respect, you gain respect and that's the problem in the US as you said. The fear and disrespect didn't just start from nowhere. It stemmed from the bullying and disproportionate treatment by the police to the black community.
@@zmdumpbox2340 yeah, I visited the Central Police University in Taiwan in 2018 and got to see their training equipment and style. It's a full educational process. They also get to chose what they specialize in at the university. For example, I got to see the motor policing division which uses drones, cameras, and eye witness accounts to fully recreate the scene of an accident, so that the vehicles can be moved as soon as the police arrive. You can also go into the more violent crimes area and be trained in a fully immersed 3d software using things like Oculus or go into their shooting gym where they train officers in the use of lethal force using paint guns in common looking areas of Taiwan.
After talking to many government officials, the Police are actually considered civil servants and they get the equivalent pension of a civil servant in Taiwan. Police are reviewed by their superiors and the University every few years. It's an entire process and they make everything count.
@Dark Guardian Yeah, and that's the next problem you need to look into as a nation. Weapon ownership needs to be strictly regulated. In my country the cops usually don't use guns because they don't have to be afraid of every random person shooting at them.
"what we are asking them to imagine is a world like the one that they live in"
Yessssss!!! This was everything💯💯
it was a great quote and hits the nail on the head pretty well, but not quite complete. While white people definitely do not have to fear cops in the same way that black folks do, they still operate in the world knowing that breaking at least some laws is risky because cops exist. Take drunk driving as an example. If there were no police, and no one to pull you over for speeding, driving recklessly, or even driving impaired, do you think the streets would be safer? Just because you or I may not choose to engage in such behavior does not mean that more people would not do so in the absence of at least perceived chance of penalty. I think is the concept some of us are struggling with in terms of a post-police world. Having said that, we do NOT need the police presence we have currently,. and cannot sustain it as a culture.
@@bobf5360 Police don't stop people from getting in their car drunk. Just another example of something that would be more effective to deal with using a community solution. Maybe use some of that police money to give cab rides home to drunk people so they don't have to drive.
@@ivanmius I agree with you but i think it would be really hard to cover all the areas and see if people drink too much alcohol or not, what we could do instead is preventing people from getting too drunk or another solution that i can't think about, but you know we should really start to solve the problems that are at the real bottom, like why are these people getting drunk? Because they like to? Maybe but there are other factors like people having a bad day or something else...
@@ivanmiusI hear you, and its a nice thought, but i think the chance that they will be pulled over and given a DUI very much does act as a deterrent. The campaign against drunk driving in the 80s and 90s was primarily implemented as harsher penalties, check points, and more patrols. The same with seat belt laws; "Click it or Ticket" was a nice slogan, but the reason it worked was the potential threat of a "ticket". People are basically selfish, and will not act in the best interest of the largest number of people. This is why we have laws, and enforcement of laws. Enforcing them EQUALLY and without malice is what is missing. Again, not saying police don't need MASSIVE reform, but there will have to be some way to enforce laws beyond just hoping that people will do the right thing. I don't like that this is human nature, it just is.
I do have to Believe that the statement to
“Demilitarize the Police”
would be more quickly and widely accepted by the
average American ??
That is a much better phrase. "Defund the Police" is unclear and doesn't explain how actual crimes will be dealt with. There is no magic world where all people stop being horrible, regardless of community programs. Alternately everyone goes full NRA and people just do crime solving vigilante style, which probably wouldn't be ideal.
That's too narrowly-focused. Taking police's military gear away deals with only a fraction of the problem. Police have committed many of their terroristic actions without military-style weapons. We have to do much, much more alongside demilitarizing them.
Troy Moten I’ve been sitting her for like twenty minutes trying to reply to this comment and put a helpful idea out there but there is so much to tackle with this topic but you’re right we can’t just take away their gear we have to take away the racism and superiority it’s not just the money it’s EVERYTHING
Have to keep simple for the Hopple Heads like Fox n Conman n Thief do,,
But the idea needs to sell first
Think MAGA
Then the hard work begins
Regardless of all the negatives that has plagued 2020 i think it is indeed a great time to be alive. The witnessing of a movement, the begining of a change. A powerful time in history.
I just hope these positive things can really start to take root, before the next big catastrophe comes along and simply wipes them out.
IF WE use it wisely.
CHANGE IS MESSY BUT WORTH IT
Is ironic the tragedy of covid19 brought this to light otherwise people would have sadly move on like on the other horrific cases before
It wont happen over night. Wont happen in a year either. Its gonna take time it will take sacrifices. It wont take Biden either. We the people started it and will need to continue it and see it all the way through. And when that happens, whomever The People place in office will have to respect and honor it. Nothing worth having comes easy. Change wont be easy but it is possible.
When you find the real news on a comedy channel.. and comedy on a news channel..
and dont forget Mature
I only find tragedy on news channels, though.
Yes it's called Louder With Crowder, very funny and educational.
Comedians have to be aware of the news and its social context to be funny in the first place. Cable "news" personalities in particular...don't.
@@dantasticmania8728 Crowder is such a pathetic little white supremacist it comes back around to being hilarious. Great example of unintentional cringe humor.
why is the Daily Show doing a better job of reporting the news than actual news channels
Been that way a long time now too.
this is not news. this is an idealistic panel of wokeness. everyone is tooting the same horn with no diversity of thought.
@Xr3737 ummmmm hummmm and god forbid you hear a different view! My personal community needs MORE patrolling. This is a scary thought. The nice social workers will run out scared!
I believe police should be REQUIRED to go to a therapist/ psychologists regularly. Their mental health and competency needs to constantly be monitored IMO
I totally agree.
That would require substantially more money towards law enforcement.
Therapy costs 💰 for the entire police force
@@crissyc9831 they have enough to do that already, often the budget for police is higher than any other service in a community they just spend it all on guns and ammo that is often not needed but just in case they get to have that "movie shoot out" like they always dreamed of.
You guys are aware not even the President is required to get a psychological evaluation?
Imagine you have a kid that is drug addicted, how to you want to help? Drug rehabilitation! If your kid is homeless? A roof over it's head! No food? Food! No Job? Some money to pay the bills and maybe even education! Health problems? Healthcare! It's pretty easy to imagine what would be best for human you feel responsibility for. - But what does the government? Drug addiction? Police & Prison! Homelessness? Police & Prison! Stealing? Police & Prison! Psychological issues? Police & Prison! That's f&ckt up! #DefundPolice
This could work great as a speech.
Ok you make some good points, but we have to look at the cause, not just the affect and aftermath. In the examples you have provided, the question that I would ask is how did these people get in these situations and how do we prevent it from happening. This is a much larger rabbit hole than people think. You can't always fix a situation by being a crutch, we have to also have to be proactive to create preventative measures for these possible issues with families and individuals. Good post
@@Evolve816 you're absolutely right. But it is still true that the FIRST answer is to be a "crutch." That's gonna work most of the time. After that we can talk about other solutions.
@@Evolve816 True- reforming the police goes hand in hand with decreasing crime rates in impoverished and minority communities.
Though most of the time first or even second and third offenders are just sent to go to rehab, so I think we just need more funding to those programs so they can take more people
Interesting that the “drain the swamp” folks have the biggest issue with defund the police. Innovation means disrupting a broken system. This country is founded in innovation. We need big thinkers to make change! Thank you to all the activists continuing this conversation!
Real big thinkers killing, looting and pillaging out there BBBIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG thinkers, yup!
@@whiskeysudsjackwagon8510 While this is part of the problem, right now it couldn't hurt the US to reach out to other countries for counselling in terms of riot control. It's blatantly obvious in countless video recordings that US police forces lack experience and proper training to deal with mass protests in a professional, deescalating way to put it mildly in order to protect citizens and their property while at the same time honouring their right to protest. The only way I've seen them trying and failing to control the masses was by randomly lashing out due to lack of discipline and coordination and shooting into the crowd as if they dealt with a Zombie apocalypse, which only leads to violence spiralling out of control on both sides. They almost seem to act in panic and probably fear for their lives in the same way most protesters do.
I suggest they take advice and even exchange personnel for training purposes from countries like the UK or Germany who face crowds trying to bash their heads in on a weekly basis before and after certain football matches in a variety of cities which all would lie in ruins by now if riot police units there showed the same talent of letting things go out of hand, effectively creating a civil war zone. Or when in doubt, just ask the French since they seem to be in a constant state of protests and civil unrest for the better part of a century by now and definitely know a thing or two on how to deal with it.
Granted, no one will go out of their way to support your POTUS in regaining situational control, this ship has sailed I'm afraid. But in order to protect the general public of the US and help to guide this tense situation to a peaceful outcome, these European nations will certainly provide any and all know-how and resources immediately. Of course, you can continue to do it your way and kill each other for no particular reason but I'll have you know that Europe did this for a thousand years and kinda grew tired of it because it turns out to get rather annoying after a while.
This country is founded on colonisation and mass killings and greed ???? And people needing to escape Europe because they were too poor, or they wanted to get rich or they were persecuted (so why not take the land of someone else like in Palestine) or people wanting to escape their crimes... Innovation ??? I don't really see it ??? At its start it was more than rough and "primitive" (primaire) ? And then indeed there were more space to experiment (and money coming from the ressources stolen from the oppressed weither it's slaves or natives...)
It was more nuanced than that, really. I suggest for those who lack much of an understanding of American History is to look up the Crash Course U.S History on TH-cam. There is a tendency for some parts of history to be romanticized and others to be shamed on too much, which is interesting. I didn’t want to watch it because I didn’t grew up in the U.S myself but after considering to watch some few 10 minute episodes, I realize U.S history basically influences a lot of cultural politics in the entire world. Now if only Americans wielded their influence more responsibly. What Americans do with Black Lives Matter there will inevitably influence the whole world, for better or worse, so I hope you guys realize that.
All of these European countries still have forces that specialize in rapid, efficient, and momentarily ruthless violence. Because sometimes, unfortunately, killing someone, or at least inflicting pain, is the key to solving a situation.
The "Defund the Police" does sound scary and easy to misinterpret.
I think that "Repeal and Replace the Police" would be a message that conservatives could grasp much easier. You know, because this is what they wanted to with the healthcare - repeal the current failing system and replace it with much better one.
True- it would help to the cause.
I can still see Tucker Carlson twisting that into something.
I agree, such a bad choice of words and so many dreamers. Why wouldn't they call it reform the police, because this is what they want to do . Reshape the police, or reeducate the police would sound a 100 times better.
Also they talk about abolishing the police but they don't really mention what they will put in place. There were times when there was no police in history of human kind and what you got was public lynching, witch hunters , mass murders and genocide(see hitler and how it got to the top, or stalin). For no police to work you first need to have highly educated citizens , that have good moral values and are able to take rational decisions. But this is just in utopias and in reality there will always be some sort of Police force (call it local milizia, neighbourhood troops, sharia law enforcement gangs, mafia etc) because people are simply not trustworthy or else how do you explain antivaxx movement, covid -19 and all conspiracy theories, ISIS, immigrant crisis in europe or how Trump managed to get to rule USA?
Their priority should be education and after, everything else will come by itself . But damn, there are so many broken things in US that I wouldn't know where to begin in the first place anyway.
I think reframing the message to be more palatable for conservatives would be a glaring example of neo-liberals co-opting and white-splaining what community organizers mean by "defund the police." Also, repeal and replace? that's the shit the GOP kept prefacing their intentions toward Obamacare with. No. Defund the police is perfectly clear, and if it makes people uncomfortable: good. Sit with that, cuz it says more about the audience than the message.
No. Defund, abolish the police is good. It's getting everyone's attention. It's making the police scared.
Please do this more Trevor. Its so very valuable.
Agreed
I definitely am not on with abolishing the police, they’re definitely an essential service. But I do agree with a lot of their “duties” to be given to more specialized people. Y’all are way too trusting to think we would be ok without the police.
So basically, the police need to be traded in for hostage negotiators.
I agree with you Umar.
I don't see how a grown human can say abolish the police.
Gun sales will go thru the roof if police are abolished🤣😂
Make the police take part in youth programs as part of their "duties". Also, they must live in the community they serve to better understand the families that live there. Be a big brother, join with schools in order to educate our youth about the role of law enforcement. We should not fear those who are protecting our community. As Sunny stated, they had this done in the Camden community... it works because crimes have dropped. Kids now wave at the police and call them by name. They should feel safe and have respect for our officers. But respect goes both ways.
I wouldn't want police officers to go any where near my kids!! ..anymore than I would want a Creepy Santa, or some dude in a White Van, or a Catholic Clergy to spend quality time with my kids. A little humor there... we do need to get rid of the Bad Officers & Warrior Police Culture first, before bringing officers into our community.
Would work if the force was smaller and consisted of people vetted for racially discriminatory behaviour.
Leonaza7 I agreed with your statement and I also feel that before a person becomes a police person they must take an attitude test.
Let me say, I feel safe around cops where I live. That's not to say that departments all around the country don't need improvement. There needs to be higher educational standards for would-be cops. Requiring a four-year degree would be a start.
@A FreeOne Black cops are more likely to shoot black victims than their white counterparts. Minority cops also be reaching- I just think when you give a person that much authority- it just psychologically does something to them. 6 months of training max also doesn't help. We need to reform and reboot the law enforcement as we know it.
“They never do what we ask them to do”. So true. A cop has never helped me or my family. I think twice before calling them because I am afraid they will kill someone. Cops have forgotten they work for the community not against it. They can’t even pull you over with basic respect.
Ivette Love learn live I need to know how police got like this where did law “enforcement” even come from and if y’all want to do defund the police we have to fix the prisons and jails too we need rehabilitation and not punishment
You want to hear what's even more stupid if you keep calling these cops police even calling ball enforcement when that's not what they do and they keep telling you that's not what they do but you keep calling them the police or law enforcement well that's why they do to you what they want you because they've got you to believe that they are the police or that they enforce real law like the Constitution only a constitutional law enforcement officer has the authority to enforce the Constitution so when was the last time you as an American hired a constitutional law enforcement officer to protect your Constitution and to protect those rights guaranteed within the law if you don't know the law maybe you should take a course and read your Constitution and understand that the constitution is the supreme law and statues and ordinance are not considered laws that's why City patrolman do not enforce laws and County Sheriff deputies do not enforce any laws only the sheriff of the county is considered a constitutional law enforcement officer
@@Naiya77_7 in the US the police are the descendants of Slave Patrols, sooo...
Everyone is forgetting that the police force was originally an arm of the rich. As such, they have always been revenue collectors for the local councils, NOT arbiters of the law. Every police "apprehension" means revenue coming into the coffers of the rich - from the poor. Note how they disregard all poor people's rights when making arrests, and note how they cow to rich people when begrudgingly arresting them - Dave Chappelle had a great sketch on his show that illustrated exactly this disparity.
"Protect and Serve" was always just a SLOGAN - never policy. And any time any citizen felt like they were protected or served, it was by accident, not design.
@@Naiya77_7 EXACTLY. Our Crime/Punishment/Crime/Punishment world is a little whack because have black men rotting in prison while their children languish because they had (or in some cases had PLANTED ON THEM BY THE COPS) a tiny amount of weed or something. Meanwhile, we have the president committing treason and pardoning traitors, while cops get away with stupidity, murder, and corruption left and right.
And I really feel like the society at large is READY. We are SO ready to more forward. Things are different now because of the Internet. People want to contribute. They want to invent. But they can't focus because they are barely surviving week to week on their wageslave paychecks, while cops are constantly harassing them, beating them, killing them, planting fake drugs on them, arresting them without just cause and violating their constitution rights, drawing guns on them, and busting them for wanting to use a tiny amount of medicine called Cannabis to alter their consciousness for a moment in the day, to escape the hell that for them is America.
This is stupid. Defund police to a quarter what they make over the course of the decade. Reallocate those funds to education and quality housing. Keep rents capped and set up a rent-to-own-voucher system that allows renters to build up their rent over their lifetime into a down payment on a home they would own, and just have caretakers and maintainers WITH ACTUAL STANDARDS this time, instead of landlords. Help adults get jobs and get education. Make college free for everyone period.
ZONE OUT ALCOHOL so that it is as far away as possible from housing and schools. Make it difficult. It will DEFINITELY PAY OFF.
LEGALIZE POT.
Crime will virtually disappear.
One guest said, "Tell me one thing the police are good at?" My answer is that I've called 911 twice in my life to get an emergency response to my home. Both times, the police, in conjunction with EMTs, may have saved my life.
Be like Natalie Portman. Research. Open up your mind to information outside of your comfort zone.
I feel that some people go to the extreme. We need police. No first world country has no police and America is most likely not going to be the first. I don't see any city giving them all the boot. We just need to fix the underlying problems as well. Once that is done there will be no need for so many police. The "ghetto" won't be so ghetto as communities will be healthier. Policemen won't like this but they can get other jobs. This is what I got from this whole thing.
@@sobeliever1638 it's not about not having a police anymore but having a decent one and more importantly a safenet for all those things that should not end up around the police at all (mental health, Homelessness, simply being poor or black... Or a woman... Or a leftist)
@stephen schuit - I think you’ve nailed it. The police are good at helping a few, rich, mostly white people. I would agree the police are good at that. I’d also say it’s disgusting to say that that is worth the widespread oppression of many, poor, mostly black people.
Ok, think of it like this... if those 2 calls to 911 weren't to the police but to the people that are trained to handle your types of emergency, chances are, your life would have been saved either way.
That's all they saying, allocate money to the training of specialised skilled people for community requirements.
And a 2nd thought, why were the police there in your emergency anyway, which from the sounds of it, you needed EMT more. There was no crime, if there was an EMT for every Cop, would cops have showed up at your home? I'm pretty sure only the EMT's would be all that was needed.
That's all DEFUND the police is, take money from the police and create services that service and help the community.
Thank you for bringing this panel together. Much appreciated to hear these people discuss
This sounds all so complicated. Make it easy and look at democratic countries with a low crime rate. You will find a pattern. A system that is based on the understanding that humans who suffer existential fears (health, base income, education, safety) tend to commit crime. It is those people's answer to having no perspective in life. Countries who consider their main job to serve their fellow country men and women by making sure those basic human needs are met, also have a police force that considers their task to support rather than to threaten (or worse). So no need to reinvent. Learn from those that have already achieved a peaceful society.
If you don't understand some of the topics in depth, it is very ok. This is a learning moment for people who aren't woke yet. This is only about ways to solve our problem of systematic oppression that we've dealt with from white people in this country. Slave patrol is the police. They killing us again. Well let me actually DO something about it this time. Uncomplicated it for you. I wonder what YOU would be doing if it were reversed and your race was the one being openly hunted? If the men in your race that fathered you, were being killed in your face? By lots of people with this particular job...
Africans were the original inventors.
We don't look to copy what anyone else is doing. We don't do that. Not wired in us. We invent.
Caucasian first taught me plagiarism. What's the most horrific crimes you can think of...? Is it a learned behavior? Use your brain. Complicated???? LOL 😆
@@101TexanNativez First of all, to an outside observer from across the pond, your defensive and almost hostile reaction comes across as an unpleasant surprise. The last thing any rational European has in mind is to downplay systematic oppression and racism in any shape or form in the US and beyond.
Out of curiosity, what is it you want to do about it other than being angry and can you provide any further information on inventing a never before seen judicial system to establish law and to provide safety and prosperity equally in modern society? As a German, being angry is pretty much the state we're born in, factory settings if you will, and inventing stuff effectively isn't quite a strange concept around here so I'm interested.
But please try to tone down this "our race = good, their race = evil" narrative, that's as racist as my grandparents and as we all know, their generation has been the undisputed world champion in that discipline which I can assure you isn't worth the trouble.
@@101TexanNativez Well, I am German so I know a thing or two about reinvention of a country that hunted down and killed a specific group of people... I can only encourage you to believe in daring not to get caught up in details but in looking at the bigger picture. Go vote.
@@101TexanNativez Re-read the comment..
@@Daswuessteich And looking back, it was the US that got us back into the saddle, made sure to (as much as they could) ne-nazify Germany and make it a stable state. We are what we are because the US had more interest in making Germany a wall against Russia and communism than it was interested in its own people.
It's deeply saddening, actually.
I know, I know - the US was aided by some smart, not-too Nazi to live with Germans and some French and British guys, but still. We wouldn't be where we are now if we hadn't been smack-bang in the middle of Europe. Look at Poland. - if someone had decided THEY would have been the ones worth re-structuring, Germany would probably still be a lot worse off.
It shouldn't be such a problem for the US to re-imagine a police-system that takes into account that - I'm sorry to say it - humans are not a peaceful species as a whole. We can dream of "no more police ever", but crime is a part of our genetics. There will always be crime.
Oh 6 boxes of people talking on news and no one's shouting at each other? My brain can't handle this calmness and respect!!
Because they all agree with this nonsense.
They are not shouting because they all agree on that police =bad.
If you want see people not yelling just go watch the Rubin report man. They talk about politics and talk normally instead of outright crazy.
I love these panel discussions that Trevor (and his team, I guess) organize. These wonderful people are so knowledgeable and so well prepared for positive change, it's heart warming to see them talk.
Since he is doing the program from ‘his couch in NYC’ he has really grown tremendously in his skills at everything.
He is doing a stupendous job.
Bill Maher on HBO is floundering miserably without an audience on the other hand.
Bill Maher cares more for his ego and his ability to tease his guests than he does for actually listening to people and trying to improve life for the vulnerable. Bill Maher's audience is also super smug and encourages him to be like this. Trevor Noah is the voice we need.
Bill Maher kill himself when he said the n-word. We don't rock with him no more.
Totally agree. He's really grown. His show is awesome and he's also raising a lot of money for non-profits! It's awesome.
diulikadikaday well put. That’s why when he came back on air and he inserts old footage of people laughing into his monologue it shows how desperate and insecure he is. It ruins any actual funny jokes. It’s very cringe worthy.
In TEARS ... so proud and appreciative that THIS conversation was given a platform for an intelligent, clear and indepth conversation! Thank you!
Republicans thinks it is OK to defund Education and Healthcare but make sure the police have all the amo they want and shouldn't be using. The police budget rises every year while any money to help the communities are cut.
Just like the military budget. . . . more money for weapons of war, war and bases oversea's but the need to cut social programs is what's draining the budget? What a joke and it's on all of us taxpayers.
The prison industrial complex got republican my their balls..
EXCELLENT point Leonaza7!
True we do things in such an ignorant way we cause our own problems while we have fairly logical and easy solutions to them.
Leonaza I believe you are mistaken, it is in fact in democrat cities that edcation has been defunded the most, it is also in democrat cities I hear the most problems from, relating to poice brutaity, crime, homelesness, drug abuse etc... I'm from Europe and these countries love the democrats, So maybe stop pointing fingers to the republicans and look at the faults in all of the political parties in your country because neiher are perfect....
Trevor!! .. can you please take this to the next level...by discussing Reform of BOTH Police and the Justice System ... those together have resulted in the highest incarcerations per Capita of ANY country in the World, some 10X higher than other Western countries that have far less crime ... our Policing & Justice Systems have failed us miserably, since the USA is #1 in criminal creation, incarcerations, brutal punishment, and recidivism. To ignore this, going status quo, is morally bankrupt.
There it is... "What we're asking these people to imagine is a world that they already live in." YES!
lbacker90 ?
I wish for a country where I won’t fear my father being shot because he decided to play some music in our own backyard. To not have my own mother have to record the police and put them live as they immediately bring out a gun and point it towards him. I hope for a better place to live.
That happened to your family or someone? So scary!
That is terrifying and I can't imagine how your family must feel.
Then just get rid of the police. They're no good right? I hope that happens so I can sit back and watch states that do that very thing, become more of crap holes than they already are!!!
TheJpgr1958 Not get rid of police, but use some of those funds and resources to fund more social workers and social psychologists, intervention and de-escalation will work in many cases better than just sending police to address every social problem.
It's crazy that we call. The same people when a bank is being robbed or a person is being raped that we (mostly white people) when music is being played "too loud."
I love how dense the information is, and how easy to watch this is.
Trevor Noah is one of the best person when it comes to do interviews. He allows his guests to speak finished before asking questions. He's a good listener asked the right questions that's makes him a brilliant and successful man.
defunding the police sounds great IDGF i've been held at gunpoint b4 for nothing. I was so scared.
I'm so sorry. I can't imagine. That would be terrifying. We need to change and do better.
Sorry this happened to you, it has never happened to me, and I shutter to think how I would feel if it did. I would hope in the future law enforcement are held more accountable for their mistakes, and would do better in weeding out "bad" officers.
DEFUND, SHUT DOWN... Start new without the damn police unions. Then do the same with the Justice System, end their incentives to increase incarceration rates (the highest in the World).
My son was arrested in Travis City, MI, for a crime he didn't commit, the detectives report even cited the witnesses were lying ... while awaiting trial, a warrant was issued for his arrest, because the drug testing facility did not forward test results to the Court. Our justice system is totally fucked up, they strive to increase numbers, instead of reducing. Its a criminal creation machine that is screwing us. And several other similar experiences too., including the death of my daughter who the Macomb County Michigan police didn't even investigate, I've had enough!!! MY EXPERIENCE: the Police and Justice system do NOT HELP ME, they have made my life MUCH worse, and we are WHITE... I can't imagine how much worst this all gets with Racism heaped on top!!
BigCooter.com I deeply regret for what you have gone thru.
@@yup_its_ME.512 Thank you for saying that, the police did not. We live in a country with the Worlds highest incarcerations per capita, with NO desire to move off that #1 position... many conservatives are proud of being #1, like Trump. .. It's morally bankrupt, since we know other Western countries with 10X lower incarceration rates, have far less crime, we are doing it WRONG, that is indisputable.
Why not call it "Reform The Police" or "Restructure The Police" to avoid confusion?
Good point, and they should. Word choice is important here
Because the former sounds like the current system is redeemable. The latter takes away the important factor of using money for other resources than police. Word choice is important. Defund the police makes you think, 1. "why, whats bad about the police now?" and 2. "Where is that money going instead." A lot of folks didn't get there was a problem until now or were ignoring it as "not their problem". _Defund the police_ catches everyone's attention and makes them have the conversation......At least all the good intentioned people. At this point no one cares about the people who are perpetual bad actors and will be negative regardless of what the slogan is.
I think a title with multiple descriptors would work better. “Defund and Revamp”, for example. Defunding alone isn’t going to make a racist department not racist, so massive structural change (revamp) is needed. It is a more complete (and equally chant-able) representation of what change we need.
I think because it needs to be clear that at least some of their power/ authority is being stripped away. No need to soften the message.
You want to create shock value and get peoples attention and talking. "Defund the police" does that. "reform the police", "police reform" sound too generic and does not grab peoples attention by way of talking and engaging.. For example, "Black lives matter" will go as one of the most imaginative and creative 3 word in marketing. Black Lives Matter which in the first instance sounds offensive at first was supposed to get that reaction to get people talking and asking What do you mean BLM ? what about other lives?. BLM was supposed to create that reaction , shock value to get peoples attention and look where we are now. People of different races holding up BLM placards because they have seen, thought and talked about its true meaning with respect to black lives.
I love how Trevor respectfully challenges them, not that he’s against it but it’s crucial to have a honest dialogue about what we really want!
Normally you`d be right but in this case it`s even more dangerous than being neutral. Like these people are talking about ABOLISHING THE POLICE. O.K. This is NOT NORMAL.
Look at the comment above yours and that should tell he wasn’t asking hard questions.
When the people are afraid of their government, that’s A Tyranny; when the government are afraid of their people, That is liberty... Thomas Johnson
When you own slaves and yet ascribe to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", you're a piece of shit.
; Me, regarding Thomas Jefferson
The AJ hauls right!!
they should have done the same thing with the socialism thing
I want to be a" Natalie Portman" - thx for opening my eyes to this.
I got the amazing opportunity to "be a Natalie Portman," when I got to take a semester-long class from Patrisse Cullors and Janaya Future Khan, another incredible activist, in art school. I wondered "how can we be worth their time?" because we were just 5 white women artists. I really appreciated how they pushed us hard, while also being incredibly positive - "I know you can learn, I know you can do better" in both art and life. That class has everything to do with the direction my art and my life has taken. Thank you Patrisse!
Me as well!
Only Floyd that is missing is Pink Floyd. Why we don't protest for this guy th-cam.com/video/8QqNgnS3uss/w-d-xo.html
Well if you were I'd love you with my dying BREATH mmmmmm natalie
Wow this panel is my A team they should make marvel movies and action hero for our children to aspire to be your my heroes thank you
As an old head political activist of 26 years, you all give me so much hope for the future! I love and appreciate your FIRE! 💗✊🏾🌞 #defundthepolice
This was awesome! Thank you, Trevor Noah. I feel much better educated about de-funding and abolishing and policing in general
This was the most civil conversation about politics I’ve watched in a LONG while. Granted, these people seem fall near the same place on the political spectrum, but still, it’s refreshing to see people having a genuine conversation instead of yelling at each other. Keep it up Trevor👍🏼
I don't think they agree completely with each other 100 percent, but they don't want to point it out. This is still a comedy show , so is hardly likely they would try to get people from both sides to discuss their differences.
it is what it is, they all agree, not an anomaly. they shed light on the subject, from each of their angles.
People who agree on everything achieving nothing.
Meanwhile in actual reality 80 percent of black people were against defunding police and what ended up happening is the crime rate spiked in places that did it, hurting minorities the worst. Anyone that advocated for defunding the police has blood on their hands.
“Defund” and “abolish” are poor choices to describe the real goals of this movement.
Exactly.
What do you feel the real goals are?
I have heard that argument before. What would you say then?
Mikyla Wilfred Demilitarize and retrain the police?
I just watched “13th” on Netflix and our country is on a slippery slope to becoming a penal country that may backfire on all of our middle class and lower class citizens through the use of loose arrest requirements, private prisons, and gps trackers.
It's already slipped. We are presently having corporations making and getting laws passed that benefit their bottom line and recognize our citizens as cattle. Capital is what is valued
If you really cared, you'd shave your head in solidarity with BLM, White, girl!
Penal country, that's why they built a wall to keep you in?
Slippery slope is a logical fallacy. Enjoy your propaganda.
@@FeedYourGreed Apparently you enjoy yours
This is having a profound impact in that the law enforcement groups (police) are reacting to this conversation, albeit negative, they are beginning to feel the pressure of what it's like when you are the target of peoples rage. It's interesting that New York's president of the police association is crying that they are being treated like animals and thugs, which he seems to conveniently forget that, that is what they behave like in thier interactions with people, especially African American people.
wait a minute- they are crying that they are being treated like animals and thugs while behaving like animals and thugs? Now that is a perfect trumpian response. We truly do live in a 1984 dystopia.
If you're seen as a thug no matter how you act, what incentive do you have to do your best to do the right thing. If you're already a thug what incentive do you have to become better when your seen as bad regardless of your actions to try to be better?
@@crissyc9831 Young black men have been asking that question for a LOOONG time.
@@cf453that's exactly my point. if that line of thinking has obviously been harmful to young black men, why apply that to another group of people?
@@crissyc9831 cops arnt a group of ppl there an army for the rich it's a job... don't like your job quit guess what you can't quit being black
This aged so well that there is a nationwide uptick in crime.
Thank you for your love and light 😊
What??? LAPD recieves 54% of the city's budget 🙄🙄🙄. What happens to the other important sectors?
Imagine that. Why do they need 54% of the city's money, all they do is weaponize the department to fight with the people who by the way are mostly law abiding citizens.
After checking the LA budget, I don't believe into that 54% figure.
You can look up your city council's allocation of general funds in your area easily. I found mine local to the Tampa area with a quick google search. Yeah, it's bad. We use almost half of our budget to fund the police. 120 million dollars. Guess what public housing recieves? Just one million
@@krsna17 now this is an eye opener because so much can be put into neighborhoods to help people with housing and other issues that would help with a more positive manor and the out come would have a better result..
I feel some talking points were dodged rather than answered.
Shepherd Welsh like which ones?
“What about murder? What about rape? What if your child got kidnapped?” Great questions, then she says “The reality is the police aren’t doing a very good job at handling those situations.” And then changes the subject. So who should work on that then? What do you do when your child goes missing or someone gets raped? Who responds to a robbery or an attack? Who investigates a murder? What do they propose should replace that part of the system? That’s what I want to hear from the people proposing to straight up abolish.
@@spreston5230 eaxctly
@@spreston5230 It's all a psyop. NO ONE thinks like this. These are actors playing a role of sowing dissent. Read the comments, this is not what people think.
I appreciate this conversation, it has given me a clearer understanding of where the movement is coming from. I do think it's one that needs to continue. I agree that we need to address the lack of social programs to help the overall heath and safety of our fellow citizens. I absolutely think we need to abolish the military police mentality we currently have and have a force that is there to protect and serve every citizen. We need balance, accountability and justice for all. I think we need those programs that were mentioned to get there and a better redirected force to protect and serve. I know first hand that not all Officer's are bad. One was called to a house where a known mental patient lived. He had taken a butcher knife and was going to kill his room mate. The officer answered the call alone, with his mic keyed up and calling for help, he didn't banish his gun, he stepped out and between them to protect the room mate and used HIS TRAINING to talk the man from his weapon and get him the care he needed. He put his life in danger to do what he signed up to do. That is what we need more of. Those men and women are our heroes. The rest from the top down have to go with the other criminals that they are. Lets not throw the baby out with the nasty bath water, lets clean it all up. VOTE!
It starts and stops at the top...and unfortunately Donald Trump is at the top. Our country is going backwards under Trumps rule. Vote him out.
Thank you for this comment, truly. I agree that the system needs to be changed and allocating roles to other departments in conjunction with the police is a great idea. Defunding is okay, but completely abolishing them I don't agree with.
I remember in the 60's when the police fired high powered streams of water from fire hoses. Today, they're firing high powered bullets from military weapons.
Sad isn’t it? And they target women, children, and the elderly. Fucking pathetic.
@John Bennington I can describe them. I've lived most of my life in areas where several of my neighbors had actual RPGs and SKSs.
However, in all honesty, if the residents of these neighborhoods had had access to the services that they really needed and had been treated like real, actual human beings instead of low class vermin that need to be handled with the same respect as any other vile pest, they would have neither wanted nor needed the weaponry.
@John Bennington In the 'shitty" EU country I'm from, regular police has only handguns. Anything heavier is only available for designated SWAT-like teams.
@@LINKINPARK262 If your neighbors had actual RPG’s them they were probably terrorists and your probably lived in the Middle East. As for the SKS’s , they are totally legal.
Beautiful panel, Trevor. So much I learned from these brilliant scholars and activists. Gives me hope that together, we can figure this out.
Figure what out? They have no answers.
Thank you for 2 things: 1) Doing this panel. A lot of great information from the source is what helps change hearts and minds, and this panel was so valuable for the way they presented their arguments, facts, and opinions. 2) Thank you for perfect captions so I can share the video with friends in the Deaf community and they don't have to figure out what the captions are *trying* to say. Captions are so often overlooked, but for some among us, they're critical. Thank you for getting that right too!
Meanwhile in actual reality 80 percent of black people were against defunding police and what ended up happening is the crime rate spiked in places that did it, hurting minorities the worst. Anyone that advocated for defunding the police has blood on their hands.
We see what happened to Malcolm and Martin and the black panthers when you have one central leader.
I’m 12 years old. I’m scared of scary movies and bugs. I’m scared of Covid-19 and human beings. I’m scared of criminals like rapists, killers, and arsonists. I don’t want the police abolished because a world without police is stupid. I’m someone who if there is the smallest chance something can go wrong, I back out. You adults can purchase guns and restraining orders to protect yourselves, WHAT YOU REALIZE IS WHAT YOU’RE DOUNG TO US, us kids have to put up with the things you do. When you abolish the police, you’re leaving us to pick the pieces, destroying my future. I’ve always realized that if I wanted to be successful, I need to start young. Just yesterday, I was crying to myself in a corner “ I’m going to die, I’m going to die, I’m going to die” I’m 12 and I tell myself these things so that when it all goes horribly wrong, at least I know was prepared for the end. DON’T DESTROY MY FUTURE!
I'm for repeal and replace but I was totally lost when a couple of the panelists asked what do cops really do? I'm not rich and I lived next to the trap. I called police on dope boys, I wasn't going over there. I've called them on prostitutes walking down the street because I have kids playing outside. I called when someone was breaking into a house on my street as well. So who would I call if there is no police? Serious QUESTION!
My understanding is, and it seems there's not necessarily a clear vision, But from what's been done and a few cities, defunding would require reallocation of responsibilities and resources to better equipped organizations.
Again from my understanding, This would limit the responsibilities and power of the police by reorganizing responsibilities based on qualifications and skills. For example, does the police really need to be dealing with homelessness? do they need to be called when music is too loud at a party? When somebody is barbecuing and possibly using the wrong kind of fire starter? What about issues that come from mental illness?
We keep throwing more and more responsibilities on the police as if they can just fix everything.
Also the relationship between poverty and crime is no secret, so in areas where there is high crime, It makes sense to invest in education, workforce opportunities, access to mental Health, and so on vs just throwing ppl in jail.. in which case you end up in a cycle.
@@jemi3822 police should ONLY be called for specific situations.... Not domestic, not mental health, not homelessness. The situations I see them being useful is if there's a massive threat to public safety and gun expertise is required, ie "a perp with a weapon" with immediate harm eminent. These situations occur very infrequently, just as the fire department doesn't get called until there's a fire
Squad cars driving around looking for trouble has proven not to be effective.
Psychological and emotional IQ test should also be mandatory for any jobs that carry a significant amount of power (capable of taking life).
2/3 times that you called the police are perfect examples of when the police were called for situations that would have been better handled by other services. Drug use criminalization has only hurt people, and not decreased drug use at all. Sex workers are also criminalized instead of being protected with safer conditions off the street. Health workers and/or social workers would have been able to intervene in those situations in far more meaningful ways than the police.
@@luckyluke7388 i agree...the job description is too general and job expectation are too widely spread
Plus we need to acknowledge that many people can't call under those conditions CURRENTLY. If you call they either won't respond at all or they will come out and be a threat to the people they're supposed to help. Many people can't call police NOW.
Also because of all the crap they've put in place, they spend time on activities that make money or get them public acknowledgement rather than dealing with whatever comes up. Our cops in my town might answer but honestly most of their efforts are in ticketing people. Many people have said they can't get a call back after assaults. So even if there were zero police presence it would make no difference in those terms for a lot of people. It would be an improvement in a lot of cases (like where people are losing loved ones to unsolved, uninvestigated murders but also have to worry about being beaten to death if they have a taillight out)
Definitely a good time to really debate the issues here. There are different ways to get to social justice and equality and we have to consider all the approaches 🧐🤨
A FreeOne Would it not be better if he were the President rather than the man who screams "Law and order, send in the military!"?
This channel gives better news coverage than the ACTUAL news channels.
Much needed conversation 💯💯💯
"Abolish means you're solving your own crimes": Meghan McCain's ignorant understanding of Abolish Police even AFTER just being eloquently schooled on the matter by Sunny Hostin
Some people choose not to be educated to keep their partisan talking points alive
But abolish still means putting an end to something. Some people get scared because they take the word literally and then they tell you to do your own research on what they mean. Oh no we don't mean to abolish the police, but the system on how they work, and then you have other people saying oh no we want to get rid of the police we don't need them.
6:52: Trevor asks "Do you see a world without police, or is it a different kind of police?"
The response is abolish means abolish. With no police, and no one to replace the police, who is solving your crimes?
There was a big discussion about how this movement is decentralized. The problem with decentralization is you don't have a consistent message. I'm all for moving many (or maybe even all) police tasks to other groups, but simply defunding or abolishing the police without a plan to replace them will not go well. (Even with a plan, it is going to be a very rough ride for the transition.)
I'm from Germany. Nobody in their right mind would call for "defunding the police" here. Why? Because German policemen do not willingly kill people who are innocent or have committed some petty crime that you don't go to jail for. Because German policemen NEVER draw a gun and ask questions later. Because tasks that any police force is not designed to do are usually performed by those that are - like psychiatrists or social workers (or sometimes social workers and the police cooperate in cases where people on the street do show violent behavior). The problem in the US is the sequence of necessary reform - first defunding the police without having a new system already in place in order to keep the social peace is putting the cart before the horse and would cause unnecessary additional harm.
Also super awesome: Patrisse always calls everyone her "team" - even in our little class. It's a great way to bring people together toward the goal.
I love how comedy shows are bringing more value thank news shows! That was a really nice job! Thank you, Trevor Noah and the team!
I love Trevor being a community organizer here. And we are all online participants.
I feel like they shouldn’t disband the police but reform the departments and do routine checks on officers as well as make it easier to prosecute officers.
It is rotten to the core
i dont like the idea of waiting for officers to corrupt shit in order to punish them. i feel like the problem needs to be nipped at the bud
"Reforming" will not work, when the issue is the entity itself.
SaphireKancer90 then reinvent it. But fact is that law enforcement is necessary if you don’t want anarchy. And the name for law enforcement simply is "police". Comes from latin (politeia)
No one's going to remove police from the USA. All that's proposed is a change in funding to keep the police from being needed in the 1st place. Our police are burdened with social issues they are not prepared to deal with like homelessness drug addictions and mental illness. These should not be treated with the police.
Trevor: “I want to be Natalie Portman”.
She's too smart for this idiot.
Karmaisabitch 999 Trevor is an idiot? Wow. Look at your handle and think again.
@@onyxul are u dumb stupid or dumb cause trevor is an amazing spokesman he's funny but he mk so much more sense tahn most news reporters and this mk him look smarter than ever so watch ur mouth man
@@snipermaster6329 i thought it was until today when i saw his vision about statues and history and protests.Either an idiot or an hypocrite.Or both,i believe.But if you think again,hbo canceled "gone with the winds" because it was "racist".A movie from 1931,a movie for which the first black woman recieved an oscar.Compared to them,yep,might be a little smarter but not by much.I imagine the next move would be to bring down Rome because it was built with slaves,no?But how about the money?How about those country who benefits from slavery pay what they stole from others,all those great empires?No?
@@onyxul honey, please make a coherent point. You're all over the place. What is the question or argument that you're trying to make?
If you want to call a Trevor Noah an idiot please at least demonstrate the bare minimum of being able to make a point.
Thank you SO MUCH Trevor for getting these folks on your show and having an honest, open, and accessible discussion about this. I cannot stress enough how valuable this is, especially on a platform like yours which reaches so many people. Peace!
I love the fact that Trevor is uploading so regularly on this matter
I love Trevor’s work, this is so informative!
Also I imagine this is what the all other networks imagine having all those talking heads on together is like lol.
FOX/CNN/NBC should take note that a discussion panel should be like this, not just simply inviting a few sane people and one from the administration just to “provide balance” and have them fight on air
Thank you Trevor for putting this group together.
Can we just take a minute to acknowledge how incredibly brilliant this panel is?
Are you kidding me? It is all rhetoric. Where are the clear policies?
Landry 314 🤫 you’re making too much sense for this comment section
New law:
No footage -> no charges
camera off -> job lost
This concerns body cameras in places cops will still exist.
Interesting 🧐
Also setup cameras everywhere outside of homes. If everything is filmed 24/7 we can all be sure that everyone is doing what they are supposed to. A camera on every tree and building if so if the police cameras are off you still have 10 others catching them being violent.
Imagine taking a bathroom break with a body cam
Henrik Nystrom Imagine murdering an innocent person without one.
Make it like when a potentially drunk-driver refuses the breathalyzer. "We can't force you, but that means we have to assume that you're doing something wrong."
AMEN 🙏🏽 thx to you all who I hear speaking TRUTH!!! 💚😍❤️🐾
I’m an an Emt and respond to those mental health 911 calls or as they call them in my state: Edp calls= calls for emotionally disturbed people. These calls can get seriously out of hand and dangerous and I could not begin to imagine going into the homes of these individuals without a police officer. You try speaking to someone and getting them to ultimately do what you need them to do when they are not on their medication, or they have been in some altercation where tensions are high etc, without a police officer. We are going way way way to far with the Abolish the police idea.... that can’t and won’t happen. I know that policing needs reform but your kidding yourselves if you think police do not do anything. Cmon now, let’s not make this our motive....I refuse to support it.
It is a discussion. Of course, defunding police will not happen overnight and I'm sure that many in this country will ensure that the ones who will be involved in this system, will get a say in whether they will need protection or otherwise.
I'm glad I saw this comment though, it made me realize that though this conversation is inspiring and hopeful, many discussions will need to take place- in order to make a system that actually does more good than harm. Short term and long....
But realize by shifting funding from the police to real robust mental health care, and care for the homeless that call would not be necessary. It's difficult to say what system would be ideal but the current system is broken and exists to protect wealthy white people from the rest of us
You are saying all you need is force to assist you and a level of protection that is not a problem but we are talking about when you are not there and the police are called what is left but a level of protection and force. The police is too broad , what you need is a unit trained in your specific needed with proper monitoring systems and proper communications with families. That unit will assist you the same way at all times because they are trained in that specific thing.
But right now you call the police and all you get is a level of protection and force. We need more than that.
We have reached a point where all we want is a level of protection and force. This is not right for the times we live in.
If you had a mentally ill child and that child escaped would you want current law enforcement to care for your child. You would be lucky if your child came back without damage.
This was one of the most hopeful things I’ve seen in the past few weeks. Maybe it’s my mindset but I actually feel better after watching this. Thanks Trevor Noah.
Isn’t it crazy that the best eduction we are getting on this topic is coming from a comedian? Trevor - keep it up boss! People are listening to you and learning... I learn from you every day
I think Trevor is really coming into his own during this season and being and objective voice of reason and humor. Thank you!
Transparency 🔍 needed on prior police officers disciplinary records 🗂!
good point👍🏽
When society opened up the files on Priests and Boy Scout leaders abuse records...things changed. Abuse must see the light of day and it withers.....
Thank you so much for hosting this panel. I work as a public librarian and I know first hand that your panelists are very right about police being the only go-to, often, for social ills. I will never forget the day when one of our regular patrons, whom we knew to be homeless, was clearly having a mental breakdown. She spoke of wanting to harm herself. She cried to anyone who would listen. We were terrified that she wouldn't make it through the night if we made her leave come closing time. My colleagues and I called every shelter, social worker, and hospital in the area to try to get her help without having to call the police. They all said the same thing: it starts with the police. When I called the police officer, he said that *he* had to hear her threaten her life - but, of course, she clammed up with him around. I spoke with the woman in question and convinced her to go with him. She came back a few days later and thanked me, telling me that she had received the help she needed and that her life situation was improving. But why does it start with the police? Wouldn't it be better if a call to 911 resulted in the dispatch of some mental health professionals to such a scene rather than the dispatch of two men with guns?
Mr Floyd rest in peace you have changed the world literally ❤️
It's amazing to see 😍
Thank you SO much for this video! I recently heard of "defunding" the police and my first reaction was "What?! No way!" Taking money away from the police did not sound like the way to go, but now I understand that defunding the police is about reallocating resources. It makes a whole lot of sense now, and I totally agree that we should defund the police. Honestly, I still can't wrap my head about "abolishing" the police, but perhaps I need to watch more videos and do some more reading to understand the concept better. Thanks again!
Nope that still makes less sense. Why would you want to take funding away and provide less training and better equipment?
Same. I don't get nor am in support of the abolishing part. It seems like utopia to me. I am all for everything else.
@@toastywaffles2551 Did you watch the video? They would give certain tasks to people better trained for them.
So Cal oh so when social workers start getting stabbed and shot how will your idea work then? Who is better qualified? How is a social worker going to do against the most dangerous call police respond to? Which is domestic violence.
@@toastywaffles2551 I have my master's in social work and can say that yes we would be better trained to work with several of the issues. We are trained in de-escalation techniques that prevent people from becoming hostile. We work in domestic violence shelters, in homeless shelters, in psych wards, etc. We are already pretty familiar with these issues. This is not to say that police wouldn't have a role. But maybe funding more mental health workers to be the front lines and using police as a last resort. Or even if they had domestic violence units where a social worker is paired with a police officer and they go together. We are trained to quickly built rapport with a person and de-escalate as quickly as possible which prevents violence. I have seen many situations that could have turned violent if a social worker hadn't been present to help calm a person down.
Have to take a moment to thank you Trevor for presenting this and, in general, your open questioning manner. It helps me there is some possibility of understanding and finding a way to be supportive without being against.
How I wish everyone viewed life in the same line
@Willow B No it doesn't. The whole point of BLM is to push equality. Black lives need to matter AS MUCH as all lives. Read the racist comments, it's clear they do not at this point in history.
@Willow B You obviously do not understand the movement. Maybe read up on it.
Elaborate please
said every conqueror in history hahaha be careful with that one :p
Willow B yes all lives matter and I totally agree with you but right now black lovers are being taken away by somebody that are meant to protect us so of course there’s a reason why it’s only called “Black live Matter”. Their job is to speak for the black lives. The name describes all that. If you want a momvement to speak about all lives, then start your own called “All lives matter “
Trevor: "I wanna be Natalie Portman as well."
We all do, Trevor, we all do.
Be Natalie Portman, no, want Natalie Portman, OH! HELL! YES!
no we dont...no one in their rite mind does this is retarded ....try it in Chicago first and let me know how it works out for ya then New Orleans....if it works out there then maybe lol
Trevor is absolutely RIGHT! We need central leadership and a unified message/goal!!
In my neighborhood it feels like there is no police anyways. There was a full shot out in front my apartment it took the police over a hour to come. Crazy cause right down the street police b there 24-7 giving tickets.
So they hid/ran? Not surprised at all... unfortunately.
More police maybe? Lol
@@justinmathis8078 Lol! No! More paid officials, running away... you can't afford that kind of escalation forewer. Education works. Violence also works, but in the opposite direction to the one we should want to take, as a species.
They don't want to do the real work. They want to make quota with tickets and arrests but not deal with crime. If they fix the crime they're cancelling themselves out and know it
The officers giving tickets may not have the same jurisdiction to handle domestic violence, so your local pd may be overworked and aren't able to get there quickly.
It's funny, they talk like having a mental health specialist is a sure fire way to deescalate a situation. Their rationale isn't wrong, but i do believe that their vision is grossly underestimating the human factor. Police shouldn't be the go to for every situation, that i agree with, but to outright say we don't need them is quite dangerous. We need to adjust the current system, not remove it entirely.
It need to be removed entirely because it’s corrupt from the roots. You can change or reform something that was built of rotted ground. I know it’s hard to think about because there’s never been a world without the police but for us but they need to go and be replaced with something better😊. Also I’m not trying to argue with you, just state my case and the cases of many other people.
Big up, Trevor. Respect💯🇺🇸💪🖤
The Police and The whole Justice System needs to be reformed. As a Black Woman I have been pulled over many times and even went to Jail for smoking Weed. Even though I have a College Degree I was only able to find work as a Housekeeper cleaning Toilets. I'm not able to get a better Job because of the Criminal Record which also means I can't earn enough to help and support my Family. I really hope that there will be Progress soon.
Seal your record, you speak like you are owed a better life while you break the law. If weed is that important then your college degree is of no value to you, nor was the time it took to attain it.
@Nicolaus Volentius truth! thank you. hypocrites
We do not need to reinvent the wheel to fix this.
Just look at how successful countries like Finland and other Northern European countries do it and copy that. They have strong social services and safety nets. They have little poverty because of living wages. They have fantastic educators, free college tuition, good mental help, etc. A big part of this will to be to wrest control of our government from the 1% so they and big corporations will finally pay their fair share of taxes. It will also mean fair living wages for every job which they will resist!
Sure, we still need some cops for catching truly violent people like serial killers, robbers, muggers but those incidents should decrease if we improve all of the above.
This is truly a time to redo a lot in how our society operates.
Yes well put
While I agree with the majority of what you are saying something funded by way of taxation is not "free" and I truly wish people would stop thinking that way. The simple reality is sometimes taxation leads to contradictory outcomes, especially here in the US where an old woman can have her farm ceased by the IRS for non-payment of a property tax she couldn't afford. Just please stop throwing the word free around, it's misleading.
@@shep1173 If we properly tax the top 1% then yes, these services could be free to the rest of Americans.
@@justinemassey9233 I'm sorry miss but I have to disagree with this very "Sanders" economic theory. "The top 1%" is basically anyone making more than 300k a year. The ones who should be taxed is the "non-person" AKA the corporate "entities" which control billions of dollars or individuals worth billions, which in fact would be the top .0001%.
@Nicolaus Volentius the solution for one problem isn't inherently the answer to all problems. Unlike the US those nations have been regulating corporate wealth for decades. Even if you took 50% of EVERYONE'S EARNINGS In the US it would not equate to corporate control of American wealth. TBH folks from other nations should look into how our tax codes work and the level of write off available to business and corporation owners in comparison to that the individual. I will say it again, taxing the individual will not balance the scales of wealth.
I love that he's deciding to have this conversation as a black man wearing a hoodie. 💓💓
So this question is not meant to be confrontational or sarcastic, I’m genuinely curious: when Trevor asked the woman about what to do for something like a kidnapping or a violent domestic dispute, her answer was a nonanswer. She said “well....the police aren’t very good at it”. Wtf... that’s literally not an answer. So my question is: is having NOBODY there to pulling an aggressive man who just beat his wife out of his house (which happens ALL the time) better than having someone imperfect doing it? And before you respond “well use deescalation tactics to convince him to leave on his own”, that is a utopian idealistic idea but not 100% realistic. You will ALWAYS have at least some people who refuse to cooperate despite deescalation tactics. What then? Until someone explains to me a proper answer, I don’t see how we could ever have a world with no police. And I am open to changing my mind so please respond below.
Grainne Ni Malley how would a neighborhood association deal with a family asking for help removing a man who has beat his wife or kids multiple times? Again not being sarcastic or anything but STILL nobody is providing a concrete example of how you confront the violent individual and get them from point a to point b. Vaguely saying “cops are bad at that” isn’t an answer because there are examples of them doing it every day. I don’t understand why nobody can help me understand how they’d deal with this type of situation. Just the other day a local pizza place was robbed. The police came to the scene, scanned the footage, identified the thief, and went and arrested him. Again, this type of crime solving happens in white AND black neighborhoods every day. Someone provide me a detailed explanation of how that would’ve been resolved with no police. Just explain the actual technique and I’ll be on board with the movement
Grainne Ni Malley again a vague and 100% meaningless answer. A place can be robbed of more than the cash or “sustenance” it has. But thanks for trying.
Grainne Ni Malley you have an impressive vocabulary but that may be the most convoluted thing I’ve ever read that doesn’t actually say a damn thing.
@Grainne Ni Malley
There’s nothing of substance in there at all. This is why I don’t support this BS movement. What solutions do you propose? What would be better than police for these types of situations? You say you “know what to do”. What is that?