My only issue with Thogden is that he acts as if he knows more than he does. There's nothing wrong with not knowing something if you're honest about it.
The thing with Thogden for me is he reminds me of the annoying influencer side of YT, the side that feels disingenuous. That being said, I just click not interested and move on. But the people going out of their way to plot these weird dark fantasies of Thogden being harmed? That’s deranged and they need to go outside.
Very balanced view Vizeh, well done. I personally don't watch the vlogs just because it's not my thing, I watch his "one player your club should sign" videos, predictions etc etc. It's all just jealousy I feel like, and even though I do dislike his character in many ways, he's simply using his platform to his advantage, something which every single one of us would do if we were in his position, and we all know it.
I don't even know who Thogden is lol(im not english and seemingly hes behind Alfie, Niran and Vizeh in my algorythm) But the last sentence is just truth. Everybody would take advantage of their fortunate position.
Honestly the problem is people take thogden too seriously... he is a character and he obviously genuinely loves football and thats what great about him. He takes his fans on the trips he goes to to foreign countries to feel what not everyone can. His prem predictions are for fun, people need to just grow up and understand its not that deep. He is high energy and loves what he does and i love him for it, people who go out their way to hate need help and people who are bothered by how he acts shouldnt watch. What harm does thogden do, thats right NON.
I personally enjoy watching Thogden. I can see why many people don't like him, but as someone who lives in the Unted States and can't afford to go to these big European games, his videos give me a sense of what its like attending keeping me hopeful that one day I might be able to watch an epl or Bundasliga match live one day. And remember , just because you don't like a person, doesn't mean you have to personally attack them in the most vulgar way possible.
If you are interested in a particular club you should watch vloggers of said club who support them, without that real connection to a team you will never get the full experience because to get that requires more experience than just turning up for a game you think will get views, you also learn a bit if subtitles are required.
He’s just so unlikable and irritating, I don’t even think the abuse is directly because of the mistakes - rather the mistakes are an excuse to abuse him.
As an American, I've never though of Thogden in such a negative way. I did not even know that people viewed him in such a negative light. This is so sad as I grew up watching this guy and got me into watching the EPL Championship and League One. Here in the US, there is no football atmosphere like there is in Europe, and he allowed me to see how it felt to be a fan sitting in that stage. I personally never found him annoying. He's a young lad and that's his personality. I simply think that many are jealous of his growth as a TH-camr and it's sad how much hate this guy is getting because he really inspired me to start TH-cam and do what I love.
As an American I completely disagree. Never heard of Thogden and care less to know about him after this video. Seems like another dude at games. There's at least a dozen North American lads like him, and much better South American characters than this guy. Watch the Libertadores every once in a while. Oh wait. Your mls teams don't bother in that tourney. GL fellow American
This is genuinely a young lad with passion for the game living the dream. Of course he's gonna be hated for having an opinion that rubs people the wrong way sometimes. All he can do is ignore that hate and just keep doing what he is doing
@@Do27ggOP has one of the most reasonable takes in this entire comment section. I don't even know the guy whos spoken about in the video, but he is seemingly doing alot of traveling to football games, speaking about it and earning alot of money. You could call that the dream for any football fan. I dont need to explain to you that many people, especially on the internet, get angry when they simply disagree with you. And if he wants to keep a nice lifestyle and watch a lot of football its best to just continue. So how can YOU not agree with any of these points is the way better question.
@@LiftandCoa the fact you don’t even know who he is and how he carries himself explains why you are saying t what you said. Thogden is the biggest wet wipe I’ve ever laid my eyes on
It's not his fault he got lucky and was born in England and came of age in a social media Era, it's also not his fault he has a cheerful personality or his family has money. I actually find his hustle inspiring. Generally let's not be jealous of his luck In life. Let's just hope we will prepare enough to use our opportunites when we get them, so we can be just as lucky too.
As someone who watches footy content on youtube daily, I never had an issue with Thogden. Never followed him or his channels but when he would appear on other channels (Mark Goldbridge, Ben Foster, Etc.) I thought a dad son duo on youtube was nice and wholesome for a change
I dislike thogden and don’t rate his football opinions at all. But he dosent deserve all the abuse, he’s really annoying but hasnt done anything that bad
@Vizeh where's my heart Viz!? Jk man I been watching for 3 years and I haven't seen a more dedicated football TH-camr than you, you seriously surprise me with your topics each video, much love and keep being you mate ❤️
I work 12 hours a day myself in a Hospital and I know Thogden is living the dream but I still respect his work rate because he still puts in insane amount of hours to keep the dream alive. I can't hate him for that cause I would do exactly the same thing in his shoes. I think people don't realise that comparison is the thief of joy. Just compare yourself to who you were yesterday and make improvements where you can. It's not easy but nothing good comes easy.
I felt a bit bad for him when I listened to the fellas pod, I actually really rated chip and cal for kinda "big bro-ing" and giving real advice. I think he just needs to own it and give a bit back, but idk if that's really in his character. Great video btw mate, been really loving the new style
@@Maelsstrom because they're probably self-entitled prats that don't understand how much the game has grown in countries outside of their own that don't consider football their national sport.
@@danclarke4519 you realize many people live in places with inconsistent local clubs that barely play or no club at all. We aren’t all lucky enough to live in cities or towns with an organized football club
I see him as a guy just enjoying watching a sport he loves with his dad. Him and his Dad have a special bond and its honestly why i enjoy his content so much
I'm an American who follows European football, mostly EPL and UCL. I watch his videos to get the scoop on the weeks matches that no one else around me cares about. I didn't realize he was hated. I'm pushing 40 years old and can't imagine hating a kid who has passion. I just love watching a younger person with passion and excitement talk about what he loves with his dad. There are a lot of reasons to hate an aspect of football: streaming rights, human rights violations, corruption, money, etc, and a kid who grinded his own way through that with passion isn't one to hate. Then again, I'm not exactly over saturated with football content, I get the amount I need/want. So maybe if I was British this would be different, but I wouldn't turn hateful, just annoyed with the companies who seem to push it.
English Sarcasm Alert,My Friend:)..Obviously,I can only speak for myself but I pathologically hate Thogden because I am a JEALOUS, embittered person who hates the fact that a fresh-faced young lad had toured the World doing something that most Males would love to do for Free. Also, he is SUCCESSFUL, which makes me wild because we love a working-class underdog but to think he not only travels everywhere, in style but gets paid to do it is beyond sickening. As well as that, it is a proud British tradition to build someone up but when they reach a certain level of status and celebrity to bring them down to earth to show them, that WE, the PUBLIC, are still in charge. YOUNG, WEALTHY, SUCCESSFUL, and LIVING THE DREAM. I hate him!
Another argument came a lot more recently when Bolton (his own team) played a massive match in the playoff race and he went to some random game in Europe
Loving Vizeh new content man been watching him for almost 6 years now he’s always been a very underrated keep doing what you’re doing mate and as I said loving the way you are taking the channel to
I enjoy thogden as a football fan that wants to see more from the game and experience historic football moments in different angles, interviews, fans reaction because broadcasters usually silence fans chants on thogdens vlogs you fully hear it and it’s something another fan can’t offer
the fact he complained about working "15 hours a day" and "only getting 6 hours sleep" while attending stadiums built by slave labour is what really did it for me....
Someone else has made this similar comment but I don't think that Thogden was actually complaining about it. I believe that he was wondering whether the hate he received online for the work he did during the world cup was worth it
I have mixed opinions about Thogden. His videos are nice, I like them, but he sometimes acts like he knows everything. The hate on him is awful, he doesn't deserve it. He is having fun, and he deserves it. He blew up on yt, gets paid I believe quite nicely, so why can't he just have fun with the money? He sometimes makes mistakes, but who doesn't? Humans aren't perfect, but at least they learn to not make the same mistake again. I don't know him personally, but he seems like a nice bloke.
what pissed me off was when he was celebrating infront of the japanese fans wearing the belgium jersery, and thenn celebrating belgium getting knocked out, it makes no sense
Lmao you have a favourite each game. I support Germany and let's say our group had Netherlands and Japan. I would 100 percent support Japan. And then 4 years later Japan Is in another group with underrated teams like Canada and morocco.i would want Japan to get knocked out. Idk how you get pissed off about a man switching after 4 years
@@zuesnastrio3062 Lmao so switching up on teams is what is going to get you hate and thogden did it multiple times, clearly he isn’t from Belgium but celebrating crazy just for him to switch up just shows how fake he can be
Another thing he lied about was when he falsely claimed that Robbie from AFTV had demanded payment to appear in one of his videos - complete bollocks of course. The hate can go too far sometimes, but he is definitely a compulsive liar who needs to be called out for it!
As an Arab, seeing his videos and the charisma he acquired within the Middle East over his latest videos, I can’t help but like the guy. We all mess up sometimes, I hope he learns!
RIP English timestamps: 1:23 "83.4 percent of you who has watched..." 3:33 " ...people that does do football vlogging" 11:38 "... his multiple videos has done so well" 13:14 "people , especially in the hardcore scene , sees influencers..."
I respect what Thogden does and the success he has, he just comes off as a bit of a show-off, the tone he speaks in mostly sounds like he's bragging. He also tends to think his football opinions are genuine fact that should never be doubted, and always tends to call out other youtubers when they get stuff wrong eg. Rory Jennings. All the excess hate is unnecessary tho. These video essays aee amazing tho, really will take your fanbase to another level.
Theo is a fellow BWFC fan and Ive always enjoyed his BWFC vlogs. People can be so jealous of someone who has created their own success by doing something they love to do. Instead of hating, why not use it as inspiration to do the same for yourself. Haters never get anywhere
I don’t hate him, I just don’t believe he should be in the position he’s in. He doesn’t know enough about football to be on sky sports, for example. It’s not about lack of involvement, you don’t have to be part of the game for 30+ years to know about it. He doesn’t have a “footballing brain”, and that’s fine, just don’t talk about it on paid tv.
I've just decided to subscribe to your channel based on how balanced and objective this feature analysis video is. I wish more journalists took a leaf from your book. I am going to watch your response video to Thogdad next. Please keep up the great work by doing objective and balanced content. I am sure that you will based on this video. Thank you Vizeh!
The irony is that if these people spewing rubbish about him on Twitter had as much popularity and influence as he does, then they would be acting in the same manner as he does which will attract similar criticism and hate comments on social media
Personally I like him, as a Bolton fan who can’t attend a lot of games for travel, money and time reasons I like watching him to watch what it’s like from the Bolton end as the highlights on TH-cam for league 1 are so soulless
Personally I have no issues with Thogden and enjoy his videos. I find them interesting, informative (especially if I’m planning on visiting that ground/ team) and I was impressed with his fairly accurate WC predictions; sorry Messi fan here 🐐🇦🇷😂❤️
My only real problem with him is simply that he feels so sanitised and corporate and yet wants to act like just another regular football fan. You can't be living off mad sponsorship deals and constant media appearances and at the same time pretend you're just a regular fan. He should honestly at this point be treated in the same way media pundits are. Sure, they may be fans of football but there's still an obvious gap between, say, a regular Liverpool supporter and Jamie Carragher, or a regular United supporter and Gary Neville. Basically, Thogden can't have his cake and eat it. He can't be a massive media personality and still pretend to just be one of the lads at the same time.
I think part of the reason people hate on Thogden is that, NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY TELL WHY HE'S SO POPULAR!!. Like that dude is everywhere, in everything and a lot of people(myself included) feel he doesn't have the expertise or even the entertainment value to be in these places, there are LOTS of TH-camrs and Influencers who deserve to be on places like Talksport and BBC before Thogden. so idk what he's done to get so much mainstream notoriety but when I see him in one of those chairs beside proper pundits I just can't help but think that someone else should be in that spot who would do the 'content creators' justice. Thogden and his ignorant takes just make it seem like TH-camrs don't know jackshit about football. That's just my thought though, time to start the video.
As Irish man I’ve huge respect for him nothing wrong with young lad who grew his platform and nice personality he deserves everything he’s got don’t hate him cuz u ain’t him going to work everyday when his jobs going watching football fair play to him
Irish guy 🇮🇪🇮🇪 Personally I didn’t find it wrong wut he did he did highlight the things that happen in the Middle East for tourists especially from the vid where his dad got help form extortion that’s gr8 cus u can be vulnerable like that I liked that a lot he’s not done anything wrong jus supporting him also qatar wc was the best wc I’ve ever seen
As someone who lives in the US, his vlogs do help us appreciate the culture and atmospheres in Europe. I love this game, but I’m disconnected due to the Atlantic.
He just feels so fake, I actually think he’s probably a decent guy behind the lens, it just seems everything he does he just ends up looking like he’s trying too hard, or is just scripting to fit a narrative that isn’t really his. He seems like an industry plant, even though I don’t think he is, he had a natural growth over the years.
Having done you tubing in the past, it's difficult and hard work and all credit to him for succeeding with subscribers etc. I'm 23 and in my honest opinion he isn't humble or down to earth. I loved his early stuff at Bolton games but as he got more publicity I feel he changed. One time when he was on Saturday social he kept butting in when someone was speaking because he didn't agree with her opinion. She hardly got a word in because of it and I lost any little respect I had then. If he was less arrogant and actually listened to others a bit more I think he could be great. Videos like yours are great, a story, you mean what you say and are personable. The mario balotelli video a good example. If he changes his way slightly, he could become a goat in vlogging but I think if it doesn't change soon, that'll go
He is famous and successful because he has a happy knack of bringing about great football content worldwide which most of us, have no access to and I have been to 1,770 matches, mostly,in London.
Thogden is just a young football mad fan. He’s set up a TH-cam and become very successful in what he does, he’s not and has never claimed to be any kind of expert, he simply voices hos opinions which we are all entitled to. I can understand how he may seem irritating to some but these comments and hate aimed at him are vile and completely nonsense.I genuinely believe they’re fuelled by jealousy of his success and people reading to much into his content. Although im not a fan of his I wish him every success in his career doing things others including myself can only dream of
My only issue is he speaks over his dad and fellow guests on sky sports constantly. It’s his opinion & nothing else. Other than that, he seems a cool lad & is just living the dream
Personally, I have never been a major fan of Thogden but I wont go out of my way on social media to send him death threats because that’s just taking it too far. If you don’t like an influencer/content creator, then thats ok because everyone has their own opinions but you don’t need to fantasise about them dying just because they’re a bit annoying
I've worked as a steward at games in Scotland and they normally don't let people in after around the 15-minute mark. How did Thogden get into a World Cup game deep into the 2nd half? Did he get in because he's Thogden?
I think us Brits don't like Thogden because he acts way too over the top for British people and I think that's why his only fans seem to be America where a bombastic personality is expected
I don't like him because I am a jealous, embittered Londoner seeing this young lad, living the dream, worldwide and doing something most of us would do for free and he is doing very well and is popular and successful. I don't like him. Too happy.Too young and worst of all,he is to successful:(
I am 69 and have been to 1,770 matches. People are jealous(I sound like a 14-year-old schoolgirl lol) but there are a number of people who "tolerate" you if you are considered below them "success wise" but should you appear equal or heaven forbid, be more successful then either watch them hate or disappear off the radar altogether. A favourite quote of theirs would be "He is harmless" until you start to succeed then they are a threat....lol
I met Thogden at the World Cup as an Aussie fan. He’s a good guy and I believe this is all fuelled by jealousy. No ego on him at all. Followed me on IG and still replies despite presumably getting loads of DMs etc.
To be honest, there has been many claims of Thogden not being nice benind closed doors. I met him at a Bolton Game (as an away fan) and he blanked me before whispering to Stephen; annoying brat'. Im no longer one of his fans and I find some of his stuff revolting. He acts like a cocky know-it-all and doesn't deserve a Ballond'or vote AT ALL and should be banned of the platform.. :/
Thogden is not a terrible guy but the reason he gets more hate then other people with outrageous takes is that he takes it very seriously and you can tell he gets angry at people and quite rude whereas a guy like Rory while he says silly outrageous things he always at least listens to other peoples perspective and at least understands that sometimes he is trolling, kind of like Buvey as well. They don't take themselves too seriously. A few times he has told people flat out and aggressively they are wrong and got slightly hostile towards people. He is still reasonably young and he has good content with the weekly prediction videos and the World Cup idea was a decent one and all in all he is an alright dude just at the same time as much as I agree he has too much hate there is a reason that the hate is there although I do not condone anyone just having a go at him try to at least be constructive he's a fine bloke!
he's awesome like for ppl who afford makes a vlog and makes a feel but the real problem is he thinks his opinion are the best and mocking ronaldo like he done nothing ,yu have to respect for the one who done this much to the game!
Just one of the many, many youtubers who fell into the trap of letting analytics guide your path. Barring the world cup stuff, his content just seems very algorithm-safe. And I find it rather boring - so I don't really watch him or comment much about him. He's like... if that Morgz guy made football videos, you know.
What’s even worse is he was complaining how hard he was working traveling to stadiums that migrant workers fucking died in. Like dude they had it harder than you. They didn’t live…
It’s because he’s doing what every one of us wishes we were doing. Travelling the world watching footie! He’s a lovely guy and can’t understand the hate.
I've never had a problem with him taking away a ticket from another fan because, from what I've seen, he only has the more expensive tickets which most normal fans won't get.
Years ago, a guy sat right in front of me died of a heart attack during the game. Match wasn’t stopped, and only knew h died cos he went with his brother who also had season tickets so we’re always in the same seats, and overheard him say he died with that seat being empty the rest of the season. I was only 15/16.
The best solution to all this beef is deleting the tweet part of this video. EDIT: unsubscribing until you delete that tweet part in the video; this way the beef can be solved and I can enjoy vizeh, thogden and thogdad again
I loved his World Cup series but hated how he attended a game for a “few minutes.” It was never clear whether he gave the tickets or newly empty seats away. I assume that he was wasting tickets … which is unforgivable.
My only issue with Thogden is that he acts as if he knows more than he does. There's nothing wrong with not knowing something if you're honest about it.
That’s fair lad
so does every other football fan.
@@Harvm but other football fans dont have a YT CHANNEL thats spreads hate
@@matsumoto_9562 what?? switching teams does not spread hate
True. But all these TH-camrs seem to be like that it's not just Thogden.
The thing with Thogden for me is he reminds me of the annoying influencer side of YT, the side that feels disingenuous.
That being said, I just click not interested and move on. But the people going out of their way to plot these weird dark fantasies of Thogden being harmed? That’s deranged and they need to go outside.
Spot on, there’s one thing not liking an influencer but I do feel like he’s over-hated now
Shush Little American
Me two, that's why I unsubbed just rn.
@@parovozrufclm And why you say that?
@@parovozrufclm What’s that have to do with anything? He’s just saying his opinion on the topic.
Very balanced view Vizeh, well done. I personally don't watch the vlogs just because it's not my thing, I watch his "one player your club should sign" videos, predictions etc etc. It's all just jealousy I feel like, and even though I do dislike his character in many ways, he's simply using his platform to his advantage, something which every single one of us would do if we were in his position, and we all know it.
Appreciate it lad
I don't even know who Thogden is lol(im not english and seemingly hes behind Alfie, Niran and Vizeh in my algorythm)
But the last sentence is just truth.
Everybody would take advantage of their fortunate position.
Stealing from kids isn’t jealousy
Honestly the problem is people take thogden too seriously... he is a character and he obviously genuinely loves football and thats what great about him. He takes his fans on the trips he goes to to foreign countries to feel what not everyone can. His prem predictions are for fun, people need to just grow up and understand its not that deep. He is high energy and loves what he does and i love him for it, people who go out their way to hate need help and people who are bothered by how he acts shouldnt watch. What harm does thogden do, thats right NON.
I totally agree.The seriousness these football fans take is too far.
I AGREE
Exactly.
Liam pin this plz
@Xavier Lynch jelousy
I personally enjoy watching Thogden. I can see why many people don't like him, but as someone who lives in the Unted States and can't afford to go to these big European games, his videos give me a sense of what its like attending keeping me hopeful that one day I might be able to watch an epl or Bundasliga match live one day. And remember , just because you don't like a person, doesn't mean you have to personally attack them in the most vulgar way possible.
Spot on!
He can just be a little annoying that’s my only complaint.
Correct
If you are interested in a particular club you should watch vloggers of said club who support them, without that real connection to a team you will never get the full experience because to get that requires more experience than just turning up for a game you think will get views, you also learn a bit if subtitles are required.
You said exactly what I was thinking
When are we getting 'How did AwayDays become TH-cam's sexiest Football Creator'?
Next week cutie pie❤️
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I was going to like this comment until I saw it has 69 likes. Very fitting.
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for the mistakes thogden has made, the abuse he gets for them is so insane.
He’s just so unlikable and irritating, I don’t even think the abuse is directly because of the mistakes - rather the mistakes are an excuse to abuse him.
Yeah I mean if you don't like him then move on & find a TH-camr you do like, no need for any hate.
@@ghc3155 he called Ranieri among worst 3 epl manager. Deserve it.
@@eavyeavy2864 since when does that deserve a beheading 💀💀
@@XXXTENTAClON227 football fans are clearly one of the most toxic community out there,what do you expect?
As an American, I've never though of Thogden in such a negative way. I did not even know that people viewed him in such a negative light. This is so sad as I grew up watching this guy and got me into watching the EPL Championship and League One. Here in the US, there is no football atmosphere like there is in Europe, and he allowed me to see how it felt to be a fan sitting in that stage. I personally never found him annoying. He's a young lad and that's his personality. I simply think that many are jealous of his growth as a TH-camr and it's sad how much hate this guy is getting because he really inspired me to start TH-cam and do what I love.
Exactly how I feel abt him… just seems like a kid living his dream. Football fans are the worst man
As an American I completely disagree. Never heard of Thogden and care less to know about him after this video. Seems like another dude at games. There's at least a dozen North American lads like him, and much better South American characters than this guy. Watch the Libertadores every once in a while. Oh wait. Your mls teams don't bother in that tourney. GL fellow American
no football atmosphere like there is in europe? let me take you to an Austin FC game bro😂we've sold out every game in our history
@@void_skyy and it will still be nothing like real football 😂😂
@@JF1908x whens the last time you watched an mls game?
Very fair analysis mate. In real life Thogden is a great guy and I think pretty much anyone who has met him can confirm 👍
Thank you lad
Theo is a good guy
But don't bring thogden to football analysis,
@@INTJ791 Don’t bring him near your kids either, he might steal their stuff
Fiago!
He’s a young lad watching football with his dad having the time of his life, just leave the guy alone if you don’t like him don’t watch his videos…
That’s fair enough!
This guy have bias opinions
@@ameEeeee3 cope
@@ameEeeee3 everyone does he just says them
@@ameEeeee3 everyone has biased opinions
Theo is a good guy, he doesn’t deserve this amount of hate
Definitely overhated
agreed and well said
Agree he is one of my favourite TH-camr
His dads a torie
@@Whulewiswhy should that make us hate thogden?
This is genuinely a young lad with passion for the game living the dream. Of course he's gonna be hated for having an opinion that rubs people the wrong way sometimes. All he can do is ignore that hate and just keep doing what he is doing
There Is something called bad opinion because he can't bother to do 15 minutes research before making opinion
This is thogdens burner, there’s no way anyone can think that
@@Do27ggOP has one of the most reasonable takes in this entire comment section.
I don't even know the guy whos spoken about in the video, but he is seemingly doing alot of traveling to football games, speaking about it and earning alot of money.
You could call that the dream for any football fan. I dont need to explain to you that many people, especially on the internet, get angry when they simply disagree with you. And if he wants to keep a nice lifestyle and watch a lot of football its best to just continue.
So how can YOU not agree with any of these points is the way better question.
@@LiftandCoa the fact you don’t even know who he is and how he carries himself explains why you are saying t what you said. Thogden is the biggest wet wipe I’ve ever laid my eyes on
It's not his fault he got lucky and was born in England and came of age in a social media Era, it's also not his fault he has a cheerful personality or his family has money. I actually find his hustle inspiring.
Generally let's not be jealous of his luck In life. Let's just hope we will prepare enough to use our opportunites when we get them, so we can be just as lucky too.
I don't mind the football vlog, I criticize football analysis
@@INTJ791 This, i actually think his vlogs are fun and really well produced. But please stay away from analysis Thogden, it's for your own good.
As someone who watches footy content on youtube daily, I never had an issue with Thogden. Never followed him or his channels but when he would appear on other channels (Mark Goldbridge, Ben Foster, Etc.) I thought a dad son duo on youtube was nice and wholesome for a change
I dislike thogden and don’t rate his football opinions at all. But he dosent deserve all the abuse, he’s really annoying but hasnt done anything that bad
I think it's part and parcel with becoming more famous so I don't have any sympathy for someone who exploits the sport for financial gain.
loving the new videos Vizeh great work, in comparison to the fifa stuff its clear your enjoying yourself again which is great! all the best 🙌
Glad you enjoy it!❤
@Vizeh where's my heart Viz!? Jk man I been watching for 3 years and I haven't seen a more dedicated football TH-camr than you, you seriously surprise me with your topics each video, much love and keep being you mate ❤️
I work 12 hours a day myself in a Hospital and I know Thogden is living the dream but I still respect his work rate because he still puts in insane amount of hours to keep the dream alive. I can't hate him for that cause I would do exactly the same thing in his shoes. I think people don't realise that comparison is the thief of joy. Just compare yourself to who you were yesterday and make improvements where you can. It's not easy but nothing good comes easy.
Credit to Viz for remaining neutral throughout, very easy to sway to 1 particular side. Fair play.
It’s only fair too haha
I felt a bit bad for him when I listened to the fellas pod, I actually really rated chip and cal for kinda "big bro-ing" and giving real advice. I think he just needs to own it and give a bit back, but idk if that's really in his character. Great video btw mate, been really loving the new style
Think he needs good people around him to keep him grounded aye, thank you lad
He gives fans like me a match day experience and culture experience that us across the world can't experience.
Exactly, i dont know how people cant understand and appreciate it.
@@Maelsstrom because they're probably self-entitled prats that don't understand how much the game has grown in countries outside of their own that don't consider football their national sport.
@@Maelsstrom probably because you aren’t interested in your local club
@@danclarke4519 you realize many people live in places with inconsistent local clubs that barely play or no club at all. We aren’t all lucky enough to live in cities or towns with an organized football club
@@captainCaybrew bro your names hayden wood you're not living in a somalian mud hut and you have internet access lol
I see him as a guy just enjoying watching a sport he loves with his dad. Him and his Dad have a special bond and its honestly why i enjoy his content so much
Dang what he do, I mainly just watched him for world cup predictions, kit ratings, things like that
Ikr
Out of all people, he definitely gets a lot of attention
Same bro
@@GetMeOutOfMyMisery based profile pic
@@LocalNoob_2 lol yea
It seems like this is a good vid, Also Vizeh you're doing a madness right now with your videos in a positive way
Thank you lad!
Vizeh is da best
I'm an American who follows European football, mostly EPL and UCL. I watch his videos to get the scoop on the weeks matches that no one else around me cares about. I didn't realize he was hated. I'm pushing 40 years old and can't imagine hating a kid who has passion. I just love watching a younger person with passion and excitement talk about what he loves with his dad. There are a lot of reasons to hate an aspect of football: streaming rights, human rights violations, corruption, money, etc, and a kid who grinded his own way through that with passion isn't one to hate. Then again, I'm not exactly over saturated with football content, I get the amount I need/want. So maybe if I was British this would be different, but I wouldn't turn hateful, just annoyed with the companies who seem to push it.
English Sarcasm Alert,My Friend:)..Obviously,I can only speak for myself but I pathologically hate Thogden because I am a JEALOUS, embittered person who hates the fact that a fresh-faced young lad had toured the World doing something that most Males would love to do for Free. Also, he is SUCCESSFUL, which makes me wild because we love a working-class underdog but to think he not only travels everywhere, in style but gets paid to do it is beyond sickening. As well as that, it is a proud British tradition to build someone up but when they reach a certain level of status and celebrity to bring them down to earth to show them, that WE, the PUBLIC, are still in charge. YOUNG, WEALTHY, SUCCESSFUL, and LIVING THE DREAM. I hate him!
6:45 these are quite possibly the two most accurate rules I’ve ever seen, fair play
Another argument came a lot more recently when Bolton (his own team) played a massive match in the playoff race and he went to some random game in Europe
Loving Vizeh new content man been watching him for almost 6 years now he’s always been a very underrated keep doing what you’re doing mate and as I said loving the way you are taking the channel to
Thank you very much, I try my best!
You’re welcome mate have you thought about doing a video on Jack Wilshere would be a really interesting typical to touch on?
The new content fr has been fantastic, he’s gonna blow up again soon
I enjoy thogden as a football fan that wants to see more from the game and experience historic football moments in different angles, interviews, fans reaction because broadcasters usually silence fans chants on thogdens vlogs you fully hear it and it’s something another fan can’t offer
the fact he complained about working "15 hours a day" and "only getting 6 hours sleep" while attending stadiums built by slave labour is what really did it for me....
Someone else has made this similar comment but I don't think that Thogden was actually complaining about it. I believe that he was wondering whether the hate he received online for the work he did during the world cup was worth it
No one cares mate 😂 “really did it for me” 😭 jealousy at its finest
I don’t mind him
But then again, I just discovered him and I’m smart enough to not engage in twitter
I have mixed opinions about Thogden. His videos are nice, I like them, but he sometimes acts like he knows everything. The hate on him is awful, he doesn't deserve it. He is having fun, and he deserves it. He blew up on yt, gets paid I believe quite nicely, so why can't he just have fun with the money? He sometimes makes mistakes, but who doesn't? Humans aren't perfect, but at least they learn to not make the same mistake again. I don't know him personally, but he seems like a nice bloke.
Your commentary/informational videos are underrated ash, keep up the good work 💪😤
Glad you think so!❤
honestly Liam i’m loving the new content, keep up these story-short essay type vids
what pissed me off was when he was celebrating infront of the japanese fans wearing the belgium jersery, and thenn celebrating belgium getting knocked out, it makes no sense
Lmao you have a favourite each game. I support Germany and let's say our group had Netherlands and Japan. I would 100 percent support Japan. And then 4 years later Japan Is in another group with underrated teams like Canada and morocco.i would want Japan to get knocked out. Idk how you get pissed off about a man switching after 4 years
Does whatever he thinks is most entertaining I guess
@@zuesnastrio3062 Lmao so switching up on teams is what is going to get you hate and thogden did it multiple times, clearly he isn’t from Belgium but celebrating crazy just for him to switch up just shows how fake he can be
@@elcuhyeee6253 no switching up on your main team is what gets you hate. switching up as a neutral literally means nothing
@@Vizeh but can’t you see why some people are hating on him, I 100% agree on the jealousy point but to me this is what it looks like
The Qatar beaheading comment had me fucking rolling lmfao
Another thing he lied about was when he falsely claimed that Robbie from AFTV had demanded payment to appear in one of his videos - complete bollocks of course.
The hate can go too far sometimes, but he is definitely a compulsive liar who needs to be called out for it!
As an Arab, seeing his videos and the charisma he acquired within the Middle East over his latest videos, I can’t help but like the guy. We all mess up sometimes, I hope he learns!
Love your new format of vids. Keep the good work up mate
Glad you like them!❤
Theo is just a lad trying to make content to his fans and also enjoy his life and make his fan happy
2022/23 is really both Burnley and Vizeh revelation
Yo Vizeh I used to watch your fifa videos back in the day and suddenly TH-cam is recommending me all your new videos now good job bro!!!!!!!
All love❤️
RIP English timestamps:
1:23 "83.4 percent of you who has watched..."
3:33 " ...people that does do football vlogging"
11:38 "... his multiple videos has done so well"
13:14 "people , especially in the hardcore scene , sees influencers..."
I respect what Thogden does and the success he has, he just comes off as a bit of a show-off, the tone he speaks in mostly sounds like he's bragging. He also tends to think his football opinions are genuine fact that should never be doubted, and always tends to call out other youtubers when they get stuff wrong eg. Rory Jennings. All the excess hate is unnecessary tho.
These video essays aee amazing tho, really will take your fanbase to another level.
Those are very valid comments tbf!
He is a good guy and makes great content don't see a point to hate on him
May not like his personality, and could be some jealousy
@@Vizeh they're butthurt cause he can go to games and they can't. Gotcha 😂😂
Theo is a fellow BWFC fan and Ive always enjoyed his BWFC vlogs. People can be so jealous of someone who has created their own success by doing something they love to do. Instead of hating, why not use it as inspiration to do the same for yourself. Haters never get anywhere
I don’t hate him, I just don’t believe he should be in the position he’s in. He doesn’t know enough about football to be on sky sports, for example. It’s not about lack of involvement, you don’t have to be part of the game for 30+ years to know about it. He doesn’t have a “footballing brain”, and that’s fine, just don’t talk about it on paid tv.
I’ll never forget when he done a video at Newcastle and zoomed in on the poor bloke who had a heart attack and put it on the thumbnail!!! 😩
I've just decided to subscribe to your channel based on how balanced and objective this feature analysis video is. I wish more journalists took a leaf from your book. I am going to watch your response video to Thogdad next. Please keep up the great work by doing objective and balanced content. I am sure that you will based on this video. Thank you Vizeh!
the main reason he gets hate is because of envy, thats it
The irony is that if these people spewing rubbish about him on Twitter had as much popularity and influence as he does, then they would be acting in the same manner as he does which will attract similar criticism and hate comments on social media
I personally love theo and his vids i dont see no problem in anything i started watching him in 2021 before the problems
Forgetting that they went on a tirade of AFTV and Robbie for no reason whatsoever.
Personally I like him, as a Bolton fan who can’t attend a lot of games for travel, money and time reasons I like watching him to watch what it’s like from the Bolton end as the highlights on TH-cam for league 1 are so soulless
Personally I have no issues with Thogden and enjoy his videos. I find them interesting, informative (especially if I’m planning on visiting that ground/ team) and I was impressed with his fairly accurate WC predictions; sorry Messi fan here 🐐🇦🇷😂❤️
He did also call Robbie from AFTV a prick which was completely unjustified.
My only real problem with him is simply that he feels so sanitised and corporate and yet wants to act like just another regular football fan. You can't be living off mad sponsorship deals and constant media appearances and at the same time pretend you're just a regular fan. He should honestly at this point be treated in the same way media pundits are. Sure, they may be fans of football but there's still an obvious gap between, say, a regular Liverpool supporter and Jamie Carragher, or a regular United supporter and Gary Neville. Basically, Thogden can't have his cake and eat it. He can't be a massive media personality and still pretend to just be one of the lads at the same time.
Genuinely the Micheal Owen of youtube "pundits"
I think part of the reason people hate on Thogden is that, NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY TELL WHY HE'S SO POPULAR!!. Like that dude is everywhere, in everything and a lot of people(myself included) feel he doesn't have the expertise or even the entertainment value to be in these places, there are LOTS of TH-camrs and Influencers who deserve to be on places like Talksport and BBC before Thogden. so idk what he's done to get so much mainstream notoriety but when I see him in one of those chairs beside proper pundits I just can't help but think that someone else should be in that spot who would do the 'content creators' justice. Thogden and his ignorant takes just make it seem like TH-camrs don't know jackshit about football.
That's just my thought though, time to start the video.
As Irish man I’ve huge respect for him nothing wrong with young lad who grew his platform and nice personality he deserves everything he’s got don’t hate him cuz u ain’t him going to work everyday when his jobs going watching football fair play to him
Irish guy 🇮🇪🇮🇪
Personally I didn’t find it wrong wut he did he did highlight the things that happen in the Middle East for tourists especially from the vid where his dad got help form extortion that’s gr8 cus u can be vulnerable like that I liked that a lot he’s not done anything wrong jus supporting him also qatar wc was the best wc I’ve ever seen
As someone who lives in the US, his vlogs do help us appreciate the culture and atmospheres in Europe. I love this game, but I’m disconnected due to the Atlantic.
He may not be a real fan but he can express himself as a real fan on his channel. It does feel natural
He just feels so fake, I actually think he’s probably a decent guy behind the lens, it just seems everything he does he just ends up looking like he’s trying too hard, or is just scripting to fit a narrative that isn’t really his.
He seems like an industry plant, even though I don’t think he is, he had a natural growth over the years.
That is a accurate way to describe him tbf!
Yo this guy right, he a fucking Industry plant! 💀💀💀
Having done you tubing in the past, it's difficult and hard work and all credit to him for succeeding with subscribers etc. I'm 23 and in my honest opinion he isn't humble or down to earth. I loved his early stuff at Bolton games but as he got more publicity I feel he changed. One time when he was on Saturday social he kept butting in when someone was speaking because he didn't agree with her opinion. She hardly got a word in because of it and I lost any little respect I had then. If he was less arrogant and actually listened to others a bit more I think he could be great. Videos like yours are great, a story, you mean what you say and are personable. The mario balotelli video a good example. If he changes his way slightly, he could become a goat in vlogging but I think if it doesn't change soon, that'll go
I really do love this new content by big V in this doc style keep it up
Thank you lad!
Part of the job. He's got to stand above that.
Lets be honest, he is famous only because of his father. Unfortunately, he didnt teach him how to not be an arrogant manchild…
He is famous and successful because he has a happy knack of bringing about great football content worldwide which most of us, have no access to and I have been to 1,770 matches, mostly,in London.
Thogden is just a young football mad fan. He’s set up a TH-cam and become very successful in what he does, he’s not and has never claimed to be any kind of expert, he simply voices hos opinions which we are all entitled to. I can understand how he may seem irritating to some but these comments and hate aimed at him are vile and completely nonsense.I genuinely believe they’re fuelled by jealousy of his success and people reading to much into his content. Although im not a fan of his I wish him every success in his career doing things others including myself can only dream of
THE IRISH GUY FINALLY GETS RECOGNITIONNNNNN
My only issue is he speaks over his dad and fellow guests on sky sports constantly. It’s his opinion & nothing else. Other than that, he seems a cool lad & is just living the dream
He's hated?
Very much so
While we are here lads.... Newcastle for UCL? Yes or no?
@@progamerman27 probably
Also Viz, when are you gonna talk about the amazing season Burnley is having rn!!!
NVM I'm a freakin idiot
So basically hes a bit out of touch but people are just salty they cant be him? Thats half of TH-cam how the hell is this vid even necessary
Personally, I have never been a major fan of Thogden but I wont go out of my way on social media to send him death threats because that’s just taking it too far. If you don’t like an influencer/content creator, then thats ok because everyone has their own opinions but you don’t need to fantasise about them dying just because they’re a bit annoying
Not the first time football fans did that.If there was an award for the most toxic community we would surely be in that
In Brazil have Lucas Thilty who go to every 2022 World Cup game too
People hate him cause he is successful. He is in all of your heads.
Farkin straight fax
When u said "atmosphere" I really felt tht😭😭🔥
I like his football vlogs and that is literally just it he makes some good videos and i have nothing more to say
I've worked as a steward at games in Scotland and they normally don't let people in after around the 15-minute mark. How did Thogden get into a World Cup game deep into the 2nd half? Did he get in because he's Thogden?
He's a proper helmet ⛑
Why would you hate someone in the first place? what did they do? Kill someone? Bully someone? Harass, Stalk, endanger?
I think us Brits don't like Thogden because he acts way too over the top for British people and I think that's why his only fans seem to be America where a bombastic personality is expected
I don't like him because I am a jealous, embittered Londoner seeing this young lad, living the dream, worldwide and doing something most of us would do for free and he is doing very well and is popular and successful. I don't like him. Too happy.Too young and worst of all,he is to successful:(
I am 69 and have been to 1,770 matches.
People are jealous(I sound like a 14-year-old schoolgirl lol) but there are a number of people who "tolerate" you if you are considered below them "success wise" but should you appear equal or heaven forbid, be more successful then either watch them hate or disappear off the radar altogether.
A favourite quote of theirs would be "He is harmless" until you start to succeed then they are a threat....lol
I met Thogden at the World Cup as an Aussie fan. He’s a good guy and I believe this is all fuelled by jealousy. No ego on him at all. Followed me on IG and still replies despite presumably getting loads of DMs etc.
To be honest, there has been many claims of Thogden not being nice benind closed doors. I met him at a Bolton Game (as an away fan) and he blanked me before whispering to Stephen; annoying brat'. Im no longer one of his fans and I find some of his stuff revolting. He acts like a cocky know-it-all and doesn't deserve a Ballond'or vote AT ALL and should be banned of the platform.. :/
Loving this content Viz
Thank you bro!
Thogden is not a terrible guy but the reason he gets more hate then other people with outrageous takes is that he takes it very seriously and you can tell he gets angry at people and quite rude whereas a guy like Rory while he says silly outrageous things he always at least listens to other peoples perspective and at least understands that sometimes he is trolling, kind of like Buvey as well. They don't take themselves too seriously. A few times he has told people flat out and aggressively they are wrong and got slightly hostile towards people. He is still reasonably young and he has good content with the weekly prediction videos and the World Cup idea was a decent one and all in all he is an alright dude just at the same time as much as I agree he has too much hate there is a reason that the hate is there although I do not condone anyone just having a go at him try to at least be constructive he's a fine bloke!
whats wrong with what theos doing, hes just sharing his passion with everyone. Big ups to him
he's awesome like for ppl who afford makes a vlog and makes a feel but the real problem is he thinks his opinion are the best and mocking ronaldo like he done nothing ,yu have to respect for the one who done this much to the game!
Just one of the many, many youtubers who fell into the trap of letting analytics guide your path. Barring the world cup stuff, his content just seems very algorithm-safe. And I find it rather boring - so I don't really watch him or comment much about him.
He's like... if that Morgz guy made football videos, you know.
What’s even worse is he was complaining how hard he was working traveling to stadiums that migrant workers fucking died in. Like dude they had it harder than you. They didn’t live…
It’s because he’s doing what every one of us wishes we were doing. Travelling the world watching footie! He’s a lovely guy and can’t understand the hate.
I've never had a problem with him taking away a ticket from another fan because, from what I've seen, he only has the more expensive tickets which most normal fans won't get.
Why promote hatred towards a person. If you don't like thodgens vlogs don't watch them it's really simple.
Facts if you don’t like him you would think people would just not watch him and not let him live rent free but they all jealous
He looks like a haunted Ventriloquist Dummy
Cos he supports Bolton
Years ago, a guy sat right in front of me died of a heart attack during the game. Match wasn’t stopped, and only knew h died cos he went with his brother who also had season tickets so we’re always in the same seats, and overheard him say he died with that seat being empty the rest of the season. I was only 15/16.
Remember his diss track on you aha
The best solution to all this beef is deleting the tweet part of this video.
EDIT: unsubscribing until you delete that tweet part in the video; this way the beef can be solved and I can enjoy vizeh, thogden and thogdad again
Theo to me is a quite big knob in my honest opinion but some comments were way too far.
Definitely overhated
@@Vizeh I dislike him but 100%
I loved his World Cup series but hated how he attended a game for a “few minutes.” It was never clear whether he gave the tickets or newly empty seats away. I assume that he was wasting tickets … which is unforgivable.