Fixing Horses Who Pull Back
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- Using the Functional Tie Ring to get horses who pull back better at standing tied. This video is meant to supplement the article on www.functionalhorsemanship.com
Using the tie ring, the lead rope feeds through the ring allowing the horse to pull back but provides an immediate release when there is a pause in the pull back. I always do this to my horses before I ever hard tie as it reduces the chances of them getting into trouble when hard tied. They learn they don't have to pull back or they can stop and the pressure goes away. After hooking the lead through the Functional Tie Ring, I use the least amount of pressure, such as with a flag, to get them to pull back in the friction provided controlled manner. I take the stimulus away, give them a minute to think it over as I rub on them, re-tighten the lead, and begin again. If you are consistent with your approach, the horse will pull back less and less, eventually not pulling back. Before you try this on a horse who pulls back, read the article, check to see if the lead you are using feeds through the tie ring easily enough, and best case if you get a horse competent person to help you the first time as there is potential to get you or your horse hurt if you don't do about this in a particularly careful way.
Thank you for this video. I have several horses but one mare that sits back. The "sitting back" is a serious and dangerous problem. I use the blocker tie ring for saddling but need something more secure for trailer tying. I will be ordering one. Thanks again!
this is excellent! my horse has broken halters, lead snaps and run off with my deck from spooking while tied. quick release only tightens when horse pulls back, but teaching him how to stand is excellent!
****Please make a video on dealing with overly alert horses? not spooky exactly, but horses on the constant lookout for monsters, and teaching them to relax (mine is like this even in his pasture, and he's near top of the herd!)
Like the honesty of this demonstration. Not hiding anything re the horse's behavior. I like blocker ties. Though we teach our foals by hard tying them very early on. Then move onto blocker tie as I can take anywhere with me.
I once had two older mares, not bred by me, who pulled back horribly. They were too old to hard tie. The blocker tie cured the problem.
The comment about tying to a horse float is not relevant when using a blocker tie as this horse is not hard tied. I would agree with the comment if the house were hard tied.
EXCELLENT teaching tool - gonna get a double ring asap 👍👍 Thanks
I use tie rings for both my boys and they are just great, thankyou for showing
You don't tie a horse to a secure fixed object until the horse knows how to tie.
Thanks so much, I am a long time horseman, and never had a reason to need this solution but I do now and I am thankful you have provide a solution. Ride on.
Would love to get hold of a few of these in australia
Neat video! Think this is a great way to teach a horse to tie confidently. I've also heard about using something strong but stretchy to let the horse move a little if he gets scared. I have seen too many videos of people hard tying with only about a foot of rope and then intentionally spooking the horse. What usually follows in those videos is a sustained pullback where the horse doesn't stop fighting the tie.
People watching this, NEVER tie a horse to a trailer that isn't hitched to a vehicle. A horse can easily pull a smaller horse trailer like the one shown.
Hello Ponyabout Town. The trailer in the video is 3,600 lbs. Even my stoutest horse, a 1,350 pound 15.2 HH QH could not budge that trailer pulling sideways. A common lead rope snap or the halter itself would break well before Super Horse could pull a trailer sideways. Having said that, when using a common yacht braid lead rope with my Functional Tie Ring, the lead rope will begin to pull through and around the bevel on the tie ring at 18 pounds pressure. Newer and stiffer lead ropes would require additional pulling pressure but certainly not 800 lbs which is the weight of the roan in the video. Appreciate your caution, it is always appropriate to be more cautious than not, but unwarranted in this case.
really
Actually you have to and I own 8 horses and you day never tie a horse to. A trailer even no those rings are for you to keep your horse from bucking when you put in tack you idoit
HORSES RULE love horses what?
H Dog your dumb do you no language
I can't get past him even THINKING of doing this without knowing how his horse handles a flag.
If your using 30’ do you continue to move towards him until he stops? What if you run out of rope?
I'm confused, isn't this teaching a horse to pull back in order to release the pressure? Horses pull and are able to move away from whatever they are scared of right? Don't we want to teach them that pulling doesn't result in a release of pressure?
The key is in the pressure he puts on the horse with the flag. As long as the horse pulls back he still applies pressure. But, as soon as the horse stops pulling back, the pressure goes away, teaching the horse that coming forward or at least not pulling back is the only way to have relief from the pressure.
Great video. Easy to get, very helpful. Cheers from down under 👍🤠
That exactly what I was thinking. By giving the horse the ability to pull the rope through the ring, and lengthen their own rope, you can teach the horse that when they pull, the rope will get longer... the key is the timing when releasing the pressure from the bag... if you release too early, than all you're teaching is pulling is the right answer... but if you're waiting until the horse stops pulling, then it can teach them pulling is the wrong answer.. I think it depends on the horse, and how good you are with pressure/release timing
brokenandcracked this video is useless in my mind because I never tie a horse while im sacking them out I hold the rope in one hand and the flag in the other and let them move showing them that it doesn’t hurt and moving doesn’t get them away from the pressure. This guy talking about how a horse he has been working with for years spooking from a vehicle door tells me he needs to learn a lot more about desensitizing a horse to its surroundings and noise before he try teaching others lol
Henry Henry He specifically says this horse hasn’t been sacked out and that he has no idea what he will do with the pressure from the flag. This clearly isn’t a horse hes been working with for a long time.
Your not confused, this guy's confused. He knows just enough to screw one up.
That’s a figure eight from rappelling.
exactly
Great video thanks, sounds like your cameraman took a little nap will filming. ; ) he's breathing pretty hard. 😂
Thank you I was having a hard time listening to the guy with all of the breathing.
It would have been more of an informative video if Darth Vader wouldn't have stolen the spot light. I really could not concentrate because that was all I heard.
oh thank god, i had headphones in and i thought i was hearing myself breathing lmaoo
😂 exactly right
He looks a little thin could use a little bit more fat on his side and his hip bone? I'm not an expert I'm just curious.
barbara collins. Says he's older horse but no excuse for being so thin
He can be fed better and supplements will help him a lot. Poor horse
If your not fattening him up to eat he is just in nice condition
This is a good video. Thank you. I like this horse, too.
I've got a horse no one on earth can fix
When tied, his eyes get three times normal size, and he shoots back like a Howitzer shell going off. Everything a horse can muster in a thousandth of a second.BAM!!!
surprised he hasn't broken his own neck.
it is not defiance or he doesn't want to work, it is sheer Terror that he is feeling.
he thinks he's going to die horribly
Untie him and all the fear evaporates that moment and it's like nothing ever happened.
it just shuts off like a light.
I've had him four years and I tack him up just holding the lead rope. He's fine that way.
I've tried at length to cure him but nothing will work.
Ill fix him....if you want him fixed.
Get a heavy nylon halter, and a heavy rope. Tie him to an "open view" solid post or telephone pole - not to a wall or trailer where he can't see 360°. Once he settles down ON HIS OWN give him some treats. Make sure you or no one else is freaking out with the horse - stand and calmly watch or just walk away so he knows you're not causing his issue. A few times of this should break the habit. If not, then saddle him, lead him to the post/pole, tie up a front foot and tie him up. If he goes down stretched out on the rope - let him lay there for a few minutes and calm down and figure things out, then get him up and DO IT AGAIN IMMEDIATELY - and do it until he LEARNS to stand. Any horse can learn - and (no offense intended) when people say "my horse can't be fixed" they're just saying "I have no clue what I'm doing".
Some horses just need to be free. They are just like people and some are mentally handicapped and some need to be in the state pen. You can’t train them all… I’ve trained horses for 50 years, some need to be left alone.
Most horses become problem tie horses by someone like this "trainer" using items like a $3 lead rope snap and the hardware store 500 lb capacity carabiner. He points out the weak snap and still uses it. None of the rope halter are intended to be used with snaps. Tie ol' thin in the skin solid and wish him the best of luck. And, never tie a horse to the side of a trailer if he can get to the valve stems. If you have never seen that wreck, you are in for a treat.
I was taught by an old timer to hobble train all horses and it can save your life if you ever get into wire your horse will react much differently than if not trained. I know your not supposed to tie up hobbled but if they paw your trailer they wear the cuffs. If anyone says anything about it then have them show you where their trailer is and on which side may you tie up.
@@KC-ww3zh Totally agree with you on hobbles and a loose lead. It works and its the best way ever to teach them to ground tie as well. Then you never need to hard tie period.
Cute lil horse!
What about a tractor inner tube they pull back and they can keep pulling back it releases the pressure on its own. I mean this method seems to work good too nice video
Cody Mcgonagill this is useless information you should never tie a horse when you flag them they should be fully desensitized before you tie them and don’t come at them with the flag like if you don’t move it’s going to hurt
My horse dragged my three horse trailer ten feet once before I could pull the release
An Tarren that’s why you use one of those rings so they can get off before they get hurt
Should NEVER tie a horse to an empty trailer - sorry, and not intending this to be rude - but you're just exposing your own ignorance. Once the trailer started moving it just spooked him more
@@dr.mikejohnson571 you did come across as rude. So, why would you need to tie your horse if it's IN the trailer?! I don't understand what you mean by an empty trailer. An unhooked trailer perhaps? Sorry, but I tie my horses to my "empty", unhooked trailer all the time. It's the safest place for me to do it due to my location. Where else are people supposed to tie their horses?!
Will this work for a horse that will stand tired but if spooked she will pull back and run away .
He's sickle hocked means he's calm. I get what this exercise is doing.
You might want to feed your horse or get a natural Sweeten feed if your horse doesn't eat right take it to a vet.
I have a horse that really sits back with any poll pressure. she CHRONICALLY sits back. would the tie ring help with that?
Great video sir! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
What I got from this video is someone teaching his horse to back up while tied. Not something I would want to teach my horse just so a video could be taken.
seems you missed the point entirely
Even though he is still tied, when he pulls back he gets some release. Not good. That teaches him that pulling is the right answer. I want a horse to realize that pulling back is the wrong answer. And that standing still and relaxed is the right answer.
What about the big ass horses that set back when they're just done standing. Mine is almost 1600lbs and he doesn't set back out of anxiety. He does it directly from a place of "FU I'm done standing here now!"
Natural spook is one thing, ATTITUDE is another. Tie him to a telephone pole for a half a day. If he doesn't figure it out rig a poll pressure device. I put blunt points on a clip and clip it to the halter at the poll. He can figure out on his own that pulling hurts and he's the one hurting himself
@@dr.mikejohnson571 That is stupid and the old cowboy way.
Doesn't matter how big they are - your job is to train them to stop bad behavior. If you can't/don't know how to, then you're a horse OWNER, not a horseman or horse trainer.
@@gerrycoleman7290 Ehhhh.... YOU'RE stupid, and aren't a horseman. 😙 Yes - I'm an old cowboy. Watch some old cowboy movies and watch the horses and how well trained they are. I specialize in training rank, spoiled horses that ignorant and stupid people like you
consider untrainable and even put down, when they only need some
simple training and discipline.
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This horse would get MUCH WORSE from me. YOU'D get your ass stomped in to the ground like the lifelong "horse owner" who has NO CLUE HOW TO TRAIN A HORSE, and goes through the motions of BS they think is good training. IGNORANT PEOPLE LIKE HER AND YOU GET KILLED BY HORSES EVERY YEAR, and good horses with BAD OWNERS AND WORSE CLUELESS "TRAINERS" get permanently pastured or put down every year.
First 2 seconds told me everything
I thought the same thing. This dude's gonna get somebody hurt with this tactic.
@@bdub78dub90 How and why...??? Especially vs a horse that blows up for no reason when tied
when my horse pulls back I just let her pull back. If she is gonna be stubborn then she's gonna be stubborn. She has pulled back in the trailer before and I stood aside waiting for her to realize that if she don't pull she won't have no pain or pressure on her head. She did it 1 more time after that and she hasn't done it again since June of 2017.
Mandolin Rain Nix agreed, I just stand there and let my horse looks stupid.. I’m not releasing the pressure when she can do it herself.
Until... the rope breaks and all that weight rockets backwards. Deadly combo.
Where can I get one of those????
Should have a neck collar on, ropes inflict way too much pressure on nerves etc. The thinner the rope the more pressure on the horse. This would have caused major soreness to that horses poll. Neck collars take pressure off the poll area and release and support.
This way is forcing the horse through fear first. There are far better ways than this. Unfortunately
Congratulations, you just taught this horse to pull back while tied to the trailer! This pulling back issue is done during his first year or two of life! How? Desensitize him with a blanket, tarp, flag etc etc etc. while NOT tied to the trailer
You must be a special kind of stupid
Lol, my horse is too strong. Nothing holds him back. He puls and cuts every haler, rope or an iron ring inside the fance. He even pulled the tree out
I just bought your tie ring it's great 😀
this horse should have more food!!!!!!!!!!!
Evi Dustin its an old horse they are just boney when theyre old. hes fine
He’s not even that skinny and he’s an old horse- stop calling people out 😂
Nice 🙏Thanks
The cowboy has his timing off. I agree with many others. You stay where you are and keep waving the flag (stimulus) until the horse relaxes. He is releasing the stimulus too soon.
Where do you find that tie ring?
Why are you flagging a tied horse? And you taught him to pull back by coming at him with the flag in front of you like look at this scary thing I have if you don’t move it’s going to hurt you.
If you don't lead him back after he stops, aren't you just teaching him to pull back? Your releasing pressure when he pulls back!
I'd cut those d rings right off the trailer. You want to see one pull back hard enough to break its neck, tie one to a trailer and watch it paw the valve stem off.
Lmao! So when you take your horses - wherever you take them to USE THEM, you just turn em loose and hope they stand there for you to get saddled and ready to go? 🤔 If your horse is doing that you're a poor trainer and don't need a trailer - 'cause your horses aren't ready to ride 😉
Hobbles!
You tie a horse to keep them from going somewhere. These tie rings basically teach a horse TO PULL BACK!!! You tie him up, put on the pressure, he pulls back, you release pressure, and then reward him. Lesson learned. "He wants me to pull back when I am scared." I agree with just about all of the training methods used now days vs. old school methods, but I am sorry the only solid way to teach a horse to not pull back is still old school. Hard tie them right away with something that won't break. They learn really quick that it does no good at all to pull back. Yes you do run the risk of injuring the horse, but this is the only way to guarantee they'll never pull back, and maybe hurt, or kill a person. I have seen a horse pull back that was tied to a trailer at a rodeo, and damn near killed a little kid that was walking by. I'd rather risk killing the horse by PROPERLY teaching them to NEVER pull back, then kill a person. I'll say it again, THESE STUPID TIE RINGS TEACH HORSES TO PULL BACK!!!
You should watch the video again. The gentleman said you do not release the pressure of the flag until the horse stops pulling back or shows some sign that he is going to stop pulling back. This method helps the horse desensitized to the pressure without injury. I think the person kept this video short for viewers sake, but in a real training you would keep doing it or you would do another, or as many sessions as needed to show the horse pulling is not necessary. The trainer said this but may not have been as clear as it needed to be. I had a horse that got hit by a tarp that blew on an extremely windy day while tied and started to pull as well as be scared of anything blowing. I had to desensitize to a flag 8 times(did it in 9 days) and because my release was correct, he is actually a calmer, quieter horse now than before the tarp incident.
My horse has broken our tie post two times already, and snapped 2 halters, all from being hard tied. I'm willing to try his tie ring because we dont want him breaking anything else
that's a completely retarded comment. If you can't teach a horse not to be dangerous without hurting, injuring or even killing him, you should never ever own a horse. It's that simple.
Excellent stuff.
I wonder why he’s pulling back, you’re freaking shaking A flag at him..Seems fine otherwise. You should be teaching him to stand still not to pull back
the flag is a good desensitization tool
Equine Emmy but not for use when the horse is tied hold the rope in one hand and the flag in the other and let him move he will see it doesn’t hurt and he can’t get away from it by moving as soon as he tries to stop as he will if you have done your other ground work properly then shop the flag and let him release, there’s lots wrong with this video other than the tied horse when flagging the way he moves at the horse with the flag is telling the horse look what I have and if you don’t move it will hurt you. He taught this horse to be scared of the flag in the first two tries cause he stopped when the horse moved.
@@imagineifyouwereaworm ............if used with proper timing, rhythm, and feel.
Great video!
really good video thanks
he might make a nice child or small adult pleasure riding horse?
nice to see all people care about is how to exploit the shit out of a poor animal
Eva Him becoming a child or small adults pleasure horse is exploitation??? ...How so??!
You gonna get somebody hurt. All your doing is teaching him to be scared of your flag.
WHY do people who KNOW NOTHING about horses open their piehole and blather bullshit?
@@dr.mikejohnson571 because they have never even been around a horse except the ones on TV. Or there are also the ones that ride their horse but have no idea how to correct bad habits which they probably caused.
Might learn how to use the flag first.
But ur teaching the horse to pull back
very dangerous method I Will never use that EVER.
Can't stand the guy breathing sound hard. Very distracting.
Yesterday I witnessed a horse rear, fall to the side and die from head injuries when being trained for hauling back. The trainer hard tied the horse with a lead rope and cotton rope tied around the girth and through the legs. The horse was so frightened she froze then jumped straight up and over. It was the end of her 7 years. I had suggested to the owner to get a tie ring the day earlier. She brought the horse to a trainer instead who believed his methods would work. Very sad.
I’d have gotten the tie ring as I’ve seen it in my trainer’s barn and she explained it was in case a horse hauled back and not injure itself.
Get a rope the same as you have there; put a Honda in one end; put the lasso around his girth; run the rope between his front legs and tie him up to a solid post or rail; give him a good tap on the nose; then watch him grunt when he tightens the rope right up around his girth (just make sure that the rope can readily loosen when the pressure comes off) ; Do that a few times and that’ll stop his farting in church!
He's way underweight even for a older horse.
he is young, which means he is probably growing and when animals grow they get riby then fill out
Kimberley Gager He’s really not. Seeing a small amount of rib does not equal an underweight horse.