Is He Too Much Horse For A Beginner?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 พ.ย. 2024
- In this video I work with a horse that is owned by a first time horse owner and I help figure out their next steps.
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Excellent job! However I think he's way too much for her.
This lady seems understanding yet is able to realize when she is out of her depth. Kudos to her for recognizing problems and finding/ implementing appropriate solutions!! Many very experienced horsemen are unable to do that...
That is so very true and well put
Agree. It's that ego that gets in the way.
Exactly what happened to me. I quickly realized I didn't know how to handle my new gelding and signed up for help with a trainer! Sometimes you don't realize that you are lacking, til you get a more nervous or dominant horse who is testing you as boss.
You are right. She obviously has no clue how to handle horses and that's logical as she is a complete beginner.
What a handsome horse! Just a bit spoiled. Glad you are helping the owner get this all sorted out!!
What an incredibly awesome tutor you are, Ryan! You are so great with your human clients - reinforcing the positive elements you see, not belittling and not blowin smoke up anyone’s a$$ either. You are a really gifted instructor and such an inspiration 😊
You said a mouthful! Instant change in the horse and sometimes that’s all it takes for an owner to watch and listen and learn. I think that’s awesome how Ryan is willing to go out to help people and horses. If this owner continues to watch Ryan’s ways she will have a great partner and both will build confidence.
Definitely over-horsed. But he’s a purty color! His owner appears to have high expectations of the horse despite her inexperience and his training level.
He looks like he’s very teachable. I like Ryan’s recommendation for this pair. Ryan’s program will be a key to success with any horse, including this guy.
I watched one of your videos for the first time and you are super. I had been trying to learn a little dressage for about 30 years. Never did well but had soo much fun!! I sometimes watch very intently and try to guess what a rider is doing good bad or ugly. I never say anything out loud but listen to others comments. Sometimes I surprise myself .
I did notice your student was trying her best and when you gave her some great suggestions. It helped a lot. One thing I noticed was more of a safety thing but could also maybe help balance Her feet were all the way forward in the stirrups. Made me nervous. Balls of the riders feet on the stirrups. It really did scare me.
Love what you do!
How are through bred horses much more difficult?
The halter was the very first thing I saw wrong. Helping with knowledge and giving her a better path to follow.
People can get horses dull to those as well.
As someone who has trained dogs for a few years, I loved watching this!! Horse training and dog training mimic each other so much.
Body language is used in both. Both animals respond to the use of pressure. Foundation work is critical in both.
And people get horses that are way above their skill set as do people who get dogs.
Punishment has long become known to be determental. As a dog trainer, you should see his actions are not +R. So how is he good?
@@joyneverla2652i didn't see no punishment at all. he's actually being real soft handed with the horse. he's only using his lunging whip because those are tools used with horses.
@@joyneverla2652- With horses release of pressure is their primary reward. As prey animals they live in constant state of fear. When you teach them behaviors to make them safe, that safety is major reward. When you’ve taught them that you are leader you free them from fear for they no longer have responsibility for here safety.
I thought the same thing. The training methods are similar. 😊
@@finngamesknudson1457 same with dogs!! Pressure on-pressure off works very well.
What a beautiful horse! I’m sure glad you showed him who’s boss and taught the owner about leadership before she gets hurt. Hopefully she’ll take your advice and learn from your video training series and have a trainer you recommend be involved also. God bless.❤️ Love your videos!
Man I wish I had your teaching skills. Every time I watch one of your videos I comment to myself on how professional, how expertly people-savvy you are. I'm a dog trainer. I have horses but one of the main reasons I watch your channel is so I can learn something about teaching.
Thank you 🙏
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Such practical advice! I really appreciate how respectful you are to both horse and rider. As someone who’s witnessed some horrific “old school” methods, I so appreciate how you teach!
I’m glad you addressed critical fundamental that horses are prey animals! Thank you.
Great work Ryan. It's stunning to watch communication develop this way, where a knowledgeable teacher finds the avenues into the student's mind, resulting in real dialogue between the two. Thank You for sharing.
I love what you do. You are a true horseman. I watch the respect you give the horse as well as the earned trust and respect the horse has for you. You have changed a lot of people's lives.
He seems like a smart horse who learns quickly.
100% too much for a beginner. A lovely horse, but hasn't been taught the basics. I never used to let even my yearlings be sold until you could handle them safely, touch them all over, throw rope on them, back them up, lead them quietly, tie them solid etc. Just the basics
Exactly. I'd hate to see him under saddle already with a green owner, dangerous
He needs major training. I have been tbere done that and I had to give him away after 1.5 years. A trainer that I trusted ruined him. Be very, very careful of who you allow to work with your horse.
the "excuse you" he understood! 😂
and no shame in asking a trainer for help. :D
I did get good advice watching Ryan Rose demonstrate how to be a leader with this horse. appropriate response to pressure, personal space, confidence and yields . 8 months with my 15yo QH mare, she is very smart, testing all the time. it's my first horse. had 1 1/2 yrs of riding lessons also worked on the ground at horse facilities 4 years. 72yrs young . that is a beautiful gelding!
Your method of instruction here is excellent - clear explanations paired with focused demonstrations. A+!
I love how Ryan acknowledges both the rider and the horse. For example, unsafe for the rider and also causes the horse to be anxious more. He includes how the horse is and considers its instincts. Truly a very kind trainer yet effective!
Great diplomacy Ryan. Honest and encouraging. Nice horse just needs things clarified with consistency.
Love Ryan's explanations in this video. also this horse is gorgeous!!!
The struggle she had at the beginning was easy to read. The horse was the alpha and had the bling to prove it. 😅
Beautiful horse and a pleasant training session. Calmed down both the horse and the human. 😊
Yep nice horse, I liked him.
Love your channel, Ryan. Thank you for your knowledge of such a huge, beautiful animal ⭐️.
Ppl need to know that 1,000 pounds of horsey can be very dangerous.
A perfect outline of a hoof mark on your stomach can be life-threatening.
That reminded me of a patient I had many years ago. I was a travel nurse in Savannah, Ga. The gentleman was training a young stud Colt in the round pen. He kicked him and left two perfect hoof prints on the fellas chest. He was ok and didn't end up with any cardiac issues. I was amazed at the accuracy of the hoof marks.
Ryan is so spot on ! Love watching and learning !!! So wonderful with the horses and evaluations !!!
love to see you do a talk with native horse channel. she is german. this that you teach is a an all animal thing and very useful for learning even if one does not live with horses.
What i realy like here, and in your other video aswell, is how the training session goes smooth. I mean every little step is gentle. And what amazed me the most is how quick the horse pick up knowledge along the way. This is fascinating for me as i dont know anything about horses and dont own one myself. Wishes the best for this duo
My personal experience. I started with a rank Appy. I had a lot of experience with cattle but very little with horses. I found a great horseman and started going to his clinics. I put in all the work myself. It was in my opinion the best way to learn. I also had a nice horse to learn equitation but the Appy made me sticky, gave me confidence and taught me to get calmer when things got tough. A good clinician can teach her some ground exercises in one clinic that she can put right into practice. Be as hands on with your horse as you possibly can. To me sending a horse to a trainer is a waste unless you are there for all of the work. Otherwise when you first get the horse back you're working off the trainers feel but it doesn't take long for the horse to revert back to your feel..
not if your body can't hold up to a lot of work - then a trainer is golden - or when your job presses .... or many other things - I am GLAD your way worked -but we all have different life context .... judging by your abilities is not kind to others - and I hope they don't judge you by THEIR abilities.
@@TwistedRootsVanVelzerPress you misunderstand. Training is not worth very much if the person who owns the horse is not fully invested in the training. It great to find a good trainer, one that can get all the troubled spots filed far back in the horse's mind. The owner however needs to understand what brings those spots to the surface and how keep them way to the back of the filing cabinet. Otherwise the owner is just operating for a little while on the feel of trainer. If time or physical ability is a question mark on a particular horse, maybe the safest thing to is rethink the horse. That's not a bad thing a I have been on the edge with one of mine a few times.
Thanks for another excellent video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@ryanrosehorsemanship when are you coming back to TX
Somebody should have told her about green + green = black and blue. She needs a solid, experienced horse. One that you might put a kid on.
Very true! Haven't heard that in years : ) This isn't the first time I've seen a Palomino allowed to get away with too much. I don't know his history but I guessed his attitude from the thumbnail colour lol Some people really lavish attention on pretty coloured horses, esp the palomino's from my experience. They just love and gush on them so much, it spoils them. I ended up with two badly behaved palomino's that had never been told no by young ladies. Didn't take much for them to learn basic manners.
Yesss....But she needs more training before she buys any horse. She is totally clueless.
@@angeloddrevThat's a shame. I adore palominos, but they need training and boundaries just like any other horse. I used to work at a stable that had a palomino that was so gentle and well trained you could put the greenest rider on him. They often put young children on him on trail rides. He was one of the most push button and bomb proof horses I have ever met. He had such smooth gaits, too. Wonderful horse.
What a nice horse, and quite trainable. Ryan I applaud your methods and especially the owner for knowing she needs help. This horse is clearly asking for boundaries. He pushes and fusses constantly, trying to understand her. He needs lots of training. So much to unpack here. I hope this lady will subscribe to your channel and follow the training instruction.
Horses need boundaries just like children
Good job! Using a stick flag or whip forces a horse to focus on tool being used and not your body. If you choose to use a tool and get meaningful results then remove stimulus and use your body in the same manner as using tools.
Your right! managing your feet is probably one of the most effective and efficient ways to get solid understanding are we not attempting to manage his feet?
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I use a flag. I consider it part of my body. An extension of my hand if you will.
A handsome green broke horse that needs a bunch more training and desensitization. The owner needs to learn more horsemanship training too. If she follows up on Ryan’s advice it should work out very well.
Seems like a nice horse . I think your suggestion with a trainer as a team they’ll be great ! What’s on his left front foot?
At the very beginning he seemed to be playing with all the lead rope activity without actually realizing she wanted stillness . The opposite actually happened. A trainer tune up for both 👍
I liked your advice, Ryan. I see so many horses at Save A Horse Australia relinquished. It would be good if there were fewer horses in the world that were owned by people for life. Don't buy a horse without having a couple of years of lessons first at least and continuing with lessons after. The same goes with dogs. Don't get one if you can't take the dog for a walk and do basic training.
It’s hard to know what you’re buying as a beginner. I have two years of riding experience and recently bought my first horse. I was told he was used as a lesson horse and was very safe. Turns out he has practically no groundwork foundation and will bite or kick if you try to make him move. The vet says he’s healthy and clear to ride. So here I am watching a ridiculous amount of horse training videos because I will be retraining my horse from the ground up. Whatever happens, I made a commitment to this damn horse and will be keeping him until the day one of us dies.
@karstelobster8203 I admire your commitment and gumption. If your horse gets to be too much for you, find a person who can bring out the best in him. Not every person is a good match for a horse and not every horse is right for you.
Next time I advise taking a very experienced horse person with you or even two. If I buy a horse I'm taking my riding instructor and a friend who runs the horse rescue. I would never go on my own and I've been riding horses since I was 5 years old. The excitement blinds the purchaser and the sellers know that.
Beautiful horse
Where to i get an RR jacket? Is there merch coming?
If you have to ask that question the answer is yes . Green horse green owner even with excellent help is risky for both
They are both high energy and their energy is clashing. She needs to be shown how to crib her energy too. I think they can learn to be good for each other but right now neither of them are sure of the other. Consistency on her part in everything is just as important to this horses his consistency in behavior is to her.
Another great video!
A beginner rider needs a finished horse that has a suitable, calm temperament. A young horse needs an accomplished rider and usually some professional training. Beginner rider with green horse often ends in disaster.
No, how do I do that with a yearling who rears when I do exactly what you’re doing
Spot on! Thank you!
7:40 that makes so much sense actually. Thank you
Definitely too much horse for a beginner, but agree with Ryan; more training for BOTH the horse and the rider, so y'all feel more confident of what to do "in case".
Great video ❤
Not the right horse for a beginner but would be an awesome project for and intermediate to experienced rider
Beautiful palomino!
He is one gorgeous Palomino ❤🐎
What happened to the other bell boot?
Yikes I thought he was going to fling her right over the fence with his head at the beginning of the vid.He gave it a good solid try there anyway.😬
I think she'll get that under control now that she's learning what to do. She seemed like a no-nonsense gal that just needs the know-how.
What is wrong with the front hoof.....is this painful?
Beautiful horse!!!! Well behaved. Joannie ♥️ ♥️ ♥️ ♥️
I know for sure he is a healthy horse, see all those dapples, those rings on his body, that's a healthy horse, from Bellrose NY
He's beautiful
How often would you need to do these exercises with stick and string before you no longer need the stick and string ? I am sure horses know if you have a stick in your hand or not. So perhaps they may not yield their space if you don’t have the stick in hand ?
thank u guru 😊
cute horse needs some basics but otherwise looks good to me!
Yeah I agree
Jake looks so much like a lovely palomino i know named ed
Dollars to doughnuts, she bought him for his looks. Ignore the appearance, people, focus on behavior!
Yes to a point. You have to make sure a horse has good confirmation.
@danw6014 my background is in on-track Standardbreds. I've seen many horses with minor or moderate conformation flaws that still succeeded because they had "try" and were willing to work with you. What I was getting at was that newbie buyers/owners need to pay attention to temperament *first* because that's going to determine how hard or easy a horse is going to be to work with. Many people look at color first and ignore large red flags in temperament.
@@JohnAmidon-c6r I doubt she knew what to look for temperament wise. She didn't seem to know anything about horses.
What was on his forehead? It looked like stitches. And the one little boot. Just curious if anyone knew.
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Hi Ryan, how would you handle horses that pull back when taking their halter off for turnout?
Two halters? Keep a halter under with the lead rope attached and practice taking the second halter off the top? I would set it up just like I was going to turn out normally but hang on to them, bring them back forward, put the second halter back on. Then I would reset by walking back out the gate, and then go back into the turn out area and repeat taking the top halter off again. I would do this until the horse stands easily, and then graduate to having the lead rope around the neck close up by the ears and take the bottom halter off. If they try to leave I would hold on to them with the lead rope around the neck, bring them back up, put the halter back on, and reset. Repeat until you can be the one to leave, pulling the lead rope free as you go. Repeat every day, don't skip any days.
@@jmwhorsemanshipthank you!!
Yes he is too much horse for a beginner. She needs a older well broke bomb proof❤
You can tell from the very beginning he’s too much. No fault to the owner as a beginner, just definitely needs something more suitable and safer for her to learn on. ❤
Ryan to the rescue!!! I’m so happy Lyvia reached out to you and you gave her the tools that will set them up for success!!! 🥰
What is that thing around his front hoof?
When he moves away it means he doesn’t want to be near that moving stick
I think it would be helpful to us viewers if in your description of the video you told us the actual length of the session we're watching. It's obvious that this session lasted longer than 17 to 18 minutes but how much longer is not discernible. That way our expectation of how long it should take us is more practical.
Id be happy to answer your questions on my patreon page.
Looks like my boy , the lady needs to also pick-up his hooves and brush daily he needs to get used to her ❤
Responding to thunder? or mic wind
The blue halter does not fit properly.
I learned so much within the first 5 minutes, thank you! You communicate your method very well.
can you make a book of your patreon content?
🤔 interesting idea
@@ryanrosehorsemanship i would like that! not only of your patreon content but any of your horsemanship knowledge, experiences, tips, etc. 😁
Please fix her halter.
Why do so many people not know how to fit their halters?
16:31 lol
Lol! Love this horse!
I don't think he's too much for her. In fact, if she follows through with the training he suggested, they could become a great team
Why did anyone allow her to have this as her first horse experience? Smh you should learn so much more before owning your own horse, glad she's getting help
Hello Mr. Ed lol 😀
At least the horse has glitter on its halter.
😂
A horse wants a leader working together! Just sayin
Just watching this horse with this woman in the first 3 minutes gave me anxiety. She needs a different sport or an older, push-button, solid mount and ALOT of education. This poor horse needs a lot of re-training and leadership. This is how horses, through no fault of their own, end up in the slaughter pipeline and it makes me sad.
My god….she’s gonna get hurt. Please intervene.
I've said this before and it's still the most important thing I ever say :
DO NOT BUY A HORSE UNTIL YOU HAVE TAKEN AT LEAST 6 MONTHS OF WEEKLY RIDING LESSONS FROM A WELL RATED TEACHER. INUDING HORSE CARE TRAINING.
Any time someone buys a horse with no knowledge or experience two things usually happen: the person gets hurt (sometimes very seriously), the horse essentiay gets the idea it's in charge and becomes more difficult or even dangerous. And sometimes the horse ends up being put down because it hurt or killed someone thru no fault of it's own.
Please for your well being and that of the horse :
DO NOT GET A HORSE UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HAVING AND RIDING A HORSE IS ABOUT.
this is not like riding a bicycle, this is a 1000 + pound animal with a mind of it's own and a very sensitive nervous system.
I'm sure this trainer knows his way around a horse, but this woman stated that she knows NOTHING about horses, so everything he is telling her is way too advanced for her understanding or skill level.
She should not waste any money on training this particular horse; she should sell this horse immediately and take 6 to 12 months of riding lessons and THEN if she still wants a horse she should buy an older, bomb proof, dead broke super sweet and gentle horse.
Good luck and stay safe. 🐎🌾
Thanks for your infinite wisdom 😂
I cannot believe u let her hold him him while he's hitting her over and over in the chest. She could not even pay attention to what u were saying cause she was ready to get knocked out.
How old is that horse? Someone who is clueless with horses would do better with an older broke horse.
OMG. NO Experience. Does not have an instructor.
This is a tragedy waiting to happen. Yeah, maybe she can learn some ground work but, with THIS horse, it's, in my judgment, she could get seriously injured.
She needs to learn to ride, essential elements of horsemanship.
Yeah, he'll do great with this horse.
Why bu a horse, I'd you've never ridden before???
She is NOT skilled at handling horses and even I can see it (but I have handled a lot of dogs and learned to train them)...
It seems like this owner knows nothing about horses. Why would she buy a horse if she doesn't understand horses and their basic behavior? I feel bad for this horse. Sadly, I think she only learned it is ok to hit the horse with a stick more then anything else, she barely pays attention to you. The language you are speaking, using words like "engaging his hind quarters" etc...mean nothing to her. Why do people insist on buying horses when they know nothing about them? She needs more training then the horse. Side note: Why does the horse have only one bell boot on its left front?
What she needs is a different trainer. He knows nothing of LIMA or +R.
@@joyneverla2652 I think you misunderstood my comment. Ryan did everything just fine, except deal with someone who knows nothing about horses. When he used the stick to prevent the horse from invading his space, she will not understand that he is NOT hitting the horse with the stick, he is deterring the horse from walking in his space by getting a slight negative respose. She may unfortunately only take away the act of hitting the horse and not the act of just gently deterring a negative action at that time. I think Ryan is great!! Wish he would come to New York!!
That’s what I was thinking. Look at her behavior in the beginning frustrated and angry.
@@orcaalley2170Right? It's like she hates the horse, just being a horse. She doesn't realize the issue is with her 100%
The horse looks like he's had a frontal lobotomy with that huge scar on his forehead. Did he hit his head on a trailer while loading or what?
Didn’t read your intention? Um because 3 seconds earlier you were swatting at him now you trying to pet with the same swat stick and he doesn’t know you
what?
He's all over her, not a good match, sell him and get an older more even minded and experienced horse.
STOP talking and help her !!
First two minutes of the video and I'm just cringing
nope not even close this is a human issue stop putting it on the horse. WTF is wrong with you. Be honest and tell the lady she is causing all of this. This pisses me off. this horse needs no work what needs work is the human the lady. She needs training the horse will follow as she gets training, I like Ryan Rose but he sucks at keeping it honest and real. he is helping nothing by so-called working on horse manors. What he needs to do is train the humans. One more thing, wtf is the deal with "horse Trainer" talk and talk and talk, for eff sake just tell the person the movements to learn and a simple reason why, stop and move on, Humans, retain very little when you overload their mind with words. Also, why is ever Ryan's video the same, I don't care about the problem or the horse he does the same thing every time, no matter what. What this means is if you have seen one video you have seen them all. This is not just a Ryan thing 99% of horse trainers on TH-cam do the same thing. I promise you people there is a lot more to training a horse than this simple basic routine. Okay getting professional training will not stop, that one day when it is cold and windy and the horse spooks to tell her that is just wrong. Horses are animals and something new happens daily. No amount of training will stop a horse from being a horse. Lady, I can fix your problem, here it is. don't worry about the horse. You, You go get training you study and learn about horses, get some training with horses. Volunteer somewhere, work with horses. Work with your own horse as you are learning. You are the problem and it is not a bad thing, it is never the horse it is always the humans that need work.
"She needs training the horse will follow as she gets training"
That's what he's doing: showing her how to become the leader with her horse.
Research, research, and practice. Ryan is a great source, also David Alonso from Mexico, Pat ans Deb from Nevada, Tim Anderson from US, Rick Gore from Texas, Steve Young from UK. Great horsemanship lessons.
Where can I find your TH-cam channel?
I have a question for you. And I mean this in good faith: do you want answers to your questions or is this more of an energetic broadcast of your opinions?
Cool story bro, lets see your amazing training then?
Beautiful horse.