I mean I'd say citrine is infinitely better for team play, especially with randoms. Harrow wants to do everything himself while his team just sits there not dying. Citrine can do her own thing while actively helping the team. Also I feel like her abilities are just easier to use.
I don't get the argument for harrow not being a good support because he needs to be actively killing, has ow made supports into a heal bot that gets no action. Are supports in a horde shooter suppose to not kill?
@@syn1338 it's not that supports aren't supposed to get kills, but harrow needs to get a majority of kills to keep his skills going. I like harrow, but I don't really like using him in a squad of randoms
@@syn1338 imagine playing harrow and Ur squad has a saryn, mesa, volt or mirage etc, it's not that you can't get kill at all, it is just hard and annoying.
@@usscolumbia6149 except he doesnt need to kill much. A headshot on a normal build gives 350+ energy. More than most peoples energy bars. His 4 benefits the team by pressing it near them and not needing to do anything special. He gets full use from his 1&2 by finding one enemy spawn.
While Harrow requires completion of Chains of Harrow, Citrine is farmable after the Heart of Deimos quest, much earlier on into the game. Coincidentally, Citrine is also completely viable with the limited mods a player is likely to have when they are at this early stage. Flawed equilibrium also exists, and the regular equilibrium can be farmed from Lephantis (also in Deimos) which means that the early game energy issues are pretty much solved when using Citrine. Furthermore, her kit is good enough to take her all the way into steel-path. Absolutely insane frame for newer/early game players.
Not sure if it changed since this video but citrine's prismatic gem(her 3rd ability) synergizes with her 1st. Casting her first ability inside the radius will cause the gem to latch onto all targets hit by it inflicting the statuses. It also gives a huge buff to status chance and duration for weapons inside the radius meaning it synergizes amazingly with weapons that benefit from mods like condition overload or galvanized aptitude. Since its basically guaranteed heat and electricity procs and increased status duration means its amazing for crowd control. This gives her amazing control over a large room or around a defense objective that I think Harrow lacks in.
Harrow is one of my favorite frames, but I love Citrine and will probably play her a lot. Why? Because she feels totally different to play. Harrow is a very active frame - juggling abilities and watching cooldowns becomes my main focus. With Citrine, I can (comparatively) chill, while providing much of the same benefits. Plus her insane tankiness makes her a reasonable pick on solo Steel Path missions.
That's scary... A week ago I would've said this exact thing aswell :O If you're enjoying Citrine then I'm happy! After all that's the most important thing :D But from what you're saying, maybe you'd like my Harrow Build from last week, too.
From all that I’ve seen, this is honestly true. Haven’t watched the video, but if it’s just this guy downplaying Citrine… there’s something he’s completely missing.
@@UmbraFulgur Imo she's the better support for solo cause she need zero coordination to be strong and/or helpful. To me she's like some alt-dimension Inaros that happens to be a pretty dope support. Doesn't matter who gets the kills so she doesn't have to fight for them, so either they're in ranged to share benefits of like 4 buffs at once or they aren't. She can permanently function at full capacity either way.
@@UmbraFulgur and you're so wrong, because she doesn't really care if you are solo or in a team, she has a solid kit that just happens to benefit your team if they're around.
@@UmbraFulgur she has a baked in 5 status primer Literally slap a phantasma prime and kuva nukor on her and she, without any crits, does more damage than harrows red crits, bonus points for helminthing roar or xatas whisper instead of cc over her 4
Don't have Citrine yet, but I'm already noticing one thing you haven't considered with her 1 compared to Harrows regen. As you said earlier, things like Blessing and Conversion combo well with this skill, which of course helps in many builds. That's something Harrow doesn't really offer. Harrow is also a mixed bag. He wants to be away from the group to restore hp and energy, but wants to be with the group as well to provide the buffs, where Citrine appears to not really care if she's solo or in a group and just provides buffs regardless of who kills what. Citrine is by far easier to use because of this, having a lower skill floor but lower skill ceiling, whereas Harrow has a higher skill floor but higher skill ceiling. Citrine can just do whatever and not really care about whose where doing what. Harrow wants to know this stuff to be the most effective and has to watch his own pools to boot.
Yeah that's some valid points. The thing with the skill floor and ceiling is very true ^^ Especially in a good premade team I agree, it can be difficulat as a Harrow to get the DPS you need. Mostly in my random squads I haven't had any problems with this from my own experience though. But I agree, for less advanced players (in both personal experience as well as build quality) She would be the more logical choice. Thanks for your input ;)
Citrine's 3 is her best ability. It buffs Status Chance and Status Duration while you are in the crystal's range. Making it a massive buff to Expedite Suffering builds. Citrine is one of the only Frames that can slot Expedite in and make it her primary damage tool as the Crystal also buffs her 1's status duration. This buff also scales very well into steel path, turning her into a Status Execution machine. People are sleeping on her 3. As far as fun goes, Her 3 and 4 together can make even Archguns have strong supporting stats.
And you didn't even mention the massive buffs when galvanized aptitude or savvy are used. And that's for the whole team. Her 4 is her worst ability by far.
Honestly her 4 is her worst ability by far in most content, very slow casting time even with casting speed shards. Even though it gives you guaranteed red crits which is great, between the casting time and having to aim specifically at the crystallized body part you're not really gaining any DPS. Can be used effectively with specific setups, like with Phantasma or Kuva Nukor, but I don't think it adds anything special to her. Meanwhile her 1 is infinite energy, her 2 makes you immortal in any content that isn't level 1000+, her 3 applies a million status effects for CO and gives your weapons insane status chance + duration (and the ability itself does a ton of damage from base damage + DoTs). I personally subsume Roar over her 4 because it double dips on her 3's damage and increases her weapon damage + their status procs. Only time I'd ever subsume over anything else is like a level cap build where you'd have to shield gate to not get delete through her DR + health regen, in which case you'd replace her 2.
If built right this strategy wrecks on Duviri Circuit. Focus on getting decrees for Fearsome Bonanza, Close Contagion, the bonus damage to those with status, and some efficiency. You can go the distance with this build and carry a team or solo for a long time. Just keep your 2nd up so you don't die from eximus.
For people watching this in the future, there are a few things wrong in this video. MHBlacky says that Citrine does nothing unique and is just a harrow clone, but this isn't true. Her 3 ability increases status chance and status duration for all enemies, which no other frame in the game can do currently. Furthermore her 3 can attack multiple enemies and not just one enemy. You just need to stand inside the aura of the 3 and cast 1 on a group of enemies, the crystal will fire a beam that inflicts them all with status effects. Even if you don't do that, the shard also targets all enemies taking weapon damage from your allies as well, so it's amazing in a group. Her 2 (Damage Reduction Ability) can instantly provide 90% DR on cast with enough ability strength, so although you can maintain it by killing enemies, you can also just recast it to instantly get back to 90% DR.
I shall posit an alternative theory here, Citrine is not like Harrow, she is far closer in usage to *Nezha.* She has a passive heal, which combined with an innate 90% DR and the Adaptation, makes her remarkably tanky. After that, any support comes from Orb generation, in a similar manner to Nezha throwing his ring out. She has a crowd control ability on her 4, that is far better implemented as a CC that just happens to give crit, just like Bastile is a CC that just happens to strip and buff armor... also her 3 does seem to target multiple enemies, if you use her 1 in the range of it. tl;dr, Citrine is not Discount Harrow, she's an alternative to Nezha.
Ima try too get her now that at you made that comparison but I'm a nezha main is she as fun to play with? I love nezha for his ability too just provide the feeling of none stop action while still having room for different play styles and tactics
@streetvybzswag 1.0 Far as I know, she can really only do the "face tank, not die" version of Nezha, but she does it pretty damned well. I'd still have to spend more time with her to carve out a proper niche.
For me, the most important skill of Citrine is her 3. On launch it was weaker, but still, it increases the status chance for all allies inside it's area and it attacks your target (and allies's targets) and enemies affected by your 1 with tons of status. It also increases the status duration from her 1. I never compared her to any warframe. I think she's fun and viable. Harrow is also fun and viable. It's nice to have options.
Hey there, I commented yesterday on your best beginner Warframe video. So I said there that I will get her. It took 4-4.5 hours of nearly non-stop playing that mode mostly due to my inability to remember to upgrade not just the weapons and my Warframe but the mods as well. But I got carried at Wave 5 or 6 at least and I got the second game the Warframe blueprint then the neuroptic in the next game. And I farmed and buy the remaining two pieces. Now I need plastids and some Necralisk standing for a blueprint that will allow me to create a material which will be used to craft the pieces of Citrine. While I was at it, I upgreded my Karak and its mods so now it shoots like a minigun with a multishot multiplier mod maxed out and a fire rate booster maxed out. With 39 round it melts through the Grineer in that mission and I love it. New video idea: best beginner primary; if you already have a video about it then secondary
You have to try dropping her 4th for breach surge! Her 3rd will also hit everyone you hit with your 1st you can clear rooms with just that ability combo in SP
Actually when playing her I too was thinking that dropping her 4 might actually be better than dropping her 3 on occasions. Her 4 really doesn't resonate with me...
@@MHBlacky_ENG her 4 isnt good, replacing it with literally any radial cc, or any damage multiplier makes her better Shes a status primer, not a crit frame
I've been using her quite a bit. She is... Absurd. Easier to use than Harrow (espescially replacing her 3 with whatever Helminth ability you want, I found Pillage to be the most hillarious), and the new Secondary arcane + her 4 makes the Kuva Nukor crit for absolutely ungodly amounts. Same with Cedo alt-fire. It lets you make some new absurd build combo's while she is very active playstyle wise AND effectively unkillable.
i like her spammy style so far, but what? 3hrs into her? i bought her complete set - will farm second for helminth. I have to say, i absolutely love your style as a content creator. balanced, no yell to sell shenanigans (ty spell check for that one ;0) and just a calm view point, supported with experience and testing. bravo. now off to check ur harrow guide -
90% dmg reduction can help other players in the squad to go for heavy offensive, I like to use mag and xaku but neither of them can play at ease in high level due to lack of dmg reduction and this fix it. And harrow third has requirements like get kill to get energy. On ur four, u must get shot for the crit. Where instead she offers all without such requirements - just shoot at the enemy crystals, energy orbs are drop no matter who did the killing blow, and it helps to proc orbs buff like arcane energize, blessing and more. She has a place that harrow can't fully takeover.
yep, she's going to basically bring back squishy frames on steel path premades by herself. Every pre-made now starts with Wisp and Citrine, and everything else is taste.
so imo this comment is stupid. even 90% dr doesnt really do much for the squishy frames as most frames build with 75 shield and 300hp in mind. in even entry level steel path the actual effect in game is almost meaningless. Personal take is that support frames are useless in the current state of the game. the game is way to easy to need them if you do you built your frame wrong and health tanks are for lazy people wanting to do low level content (yes entry level steel path is low level content) without really playing the game cause god forbid a frame cant sit in a corner and shoot a zar across the room. like at the end of the day they are still in the game and if you like them thats great just my take on what has been causing some braindead meta's. i personally dont think having so many braindead characters is healthy for the game.
Played Warframe and dropped it a couple times. I’ve matured now lol. I love warframe so far. Having a ton of fun exploring and discovering new mechanics and functions.
DR effectively makes the healing 250 hp per second since every health point is worth 10x normal damage. On top of that health orbs are also worth ~10x the ehp. Many people also run synth fiber and equilibrium making the energy and health amounts insane. Citrine is definitely better if you are coordinating with your whole squad. Maybe for endurance runs or the like.
define endurance because what i would think of as endurance citrine only really provides energy. the dr and health is useless after a certain level and you need to have some gating anyway so there is no reason to play her for endurance.
Citrine is actually really good for team play. She plays very well for long term missions. A citrine who spams her 1 and her 3 is a godsend for a korah nuke
When I saw her abilities, I looked at mods like condition overload or galvanized aptitude. In that case, depending on how many status effects your weapons have, you could be dealing anywhere from 10-8 different status effects, which seems like it could massively increase weapon damage, even if it's only on one target. Certainly a niche usage case, but definitely something not to be scoffed at
The rest of her kit is miles better, you're going to subsume on something much better and call it a day. Reminds me of the way DE keep trying to fix Mesa's 3. Please stop, under no earth am I ever keeping that over any other option on the helmitnth board.
@@targetthyself You mean Mesa's 1? Her 3 is her Damage Reduction, last I checked. Honestly it's gotten to the point where I genuinely prefer to keep her 1 over her 2 after all its buffs.
@@targetthyself for defense or any stationary mission, the 3 is nuts, spams status all over the place. For exterminate, capture etc. Yeah you will want to Helminth it off.
Citrine feels like what I call the dad role frame. She shines when she gots teammates who benefit from her. I consider her right in line with Harrow or Rhino. Albeit kinda simple in comparison. Also thirst frame exists and citrine got that over those two 😂
Citrine doesn't do anything new, BUT she does damn near every type of supporting all at once and VERY comfortably. You just do your thing and everyone benefits, or your team does their thing and everyone still benefits. I don't think making everyone in range a tank can really be overlooked just because high-level players already build for survivability. It allows people to make mistakes and not pay for them. I've haven't seen anyone die while in-range of my 2 so far, I have seen them die when out of range though. Near-permanent 90% DR is a LOT. Additionally, increasing energy orb drops will inherently have a little more value than directly granting energy because of both, it not being inhibited by energy-draining abilities, and not having as much go to waste as it can be left on the ground when full.
Pls ignore what he says about her 3rd. You can get it to hit in the thousands with enough power strength. Like everything thing in the game the mods are what make your frames shine
Don't have her yet, but she seems like she would be more useful for general support with randoms than Harrow. I enjoy playing Harrow, but there are enough people running nuke builds that there are times where it's hard to get as much value out of him. In organized team play, though, I'd definitely agree that Harrow can be more useful.
I came to this video expecting a person whinning about a new warframe, but after seeing the whole video i see that you have made a very quality video with good explanation and a very solid point, thanks.
Thank you for the motivating feedback ❤️ I have to add though that what many people said in the comments about Harrow being an inferior team support in scenarios where the Harrow player doesn't get consistent kills, that is true ad in these cases Citrine does have the upper hand 😉
You might wanna do a revisit on her. Third ability targets multiple enemies (i think it caps at 5 or so from what ive seen). Ive been using her for a few weeks now and is a solid frame. She is best with a team but can be ran solo fairly easily.
I wasnt sure if ther was a cap or not 5 is just the most visual ive seen i guess i shoukd have stated lol, but yeah you are right even on non steelpath theres no cap just a visual limitation.
Yeah I see some use for this frame. However, there are other frames which do what she does; Even better. What are your thoughts on the new weapons and possible builds for them?
Yes I find her abilities to all be useful be it as a team player or solo and her melee is great especially when she uses her ultimate to get red crits from it she is a frame I’d want on a steal path team even if just for her second ability it on it’s own makes a huge difference I’d recommend her for anyone who likes to help others but also wants to be self sufficient because she does both very well your build was very different then mine you had mods I have never got to drop despite playing for years that said even with my current build I believe this is a frame that can replace harrow as she is just as good easier to play and easier to get
@@3slaps As long as you're having fun with her there's no need to use someone else, true! :D Haven't tested the new weaopns yet but I'm looking forward to doing that in the upcoming days :D
Got Citrine a while ago, still playing her as she does insane amounts of damage with her crystals, her 4'th ability and giving you a better chance to get health and energy with her 1'st ability, yeah dude, definitely will continue to play with her she is strong.
Citrine is a fun frame and has insane synergy with nidus. Team up with your friend sometime who has nidus and you'll both be invincible. We're currently trying to get max arcane blessing for nidus and citrine.
8:40 it’s tied to an ability and harrow often times has to compete with his teammates for kills and enemies, which is a very uncomfortable experience. I’ve played harrow and he also to my knowledge doesn’t have damage reduction, which is a little bit more important than healing
9:29 Citrine has one big advantage in the energy department, which is channeling abilities. Abilities like Gloom from Sevagoth (this ability is in the helminth system) are a very powerful crowd control. But its just as power hungry. Gloom consumes gigantic amounts of energy, which cannot be restored through Trinitys Energy Vampire or Harrows 3rd. Also with downtime in beween the ability looses all its range, which is almost as if it was a cooldown. So letting it run out and simply recast it, is not an option. So the absolutely only way to keep this ability running is regenrating energy through Orbs (also utilizing Equilibrium), Arcane Energize AND archon shards increasing the amount of energy orbs provide. Again: Gloom is a channeling ability that needs LOADs of energy. Even Sevagoth himself can barely sustain this ability (at least if you want to mod it to an amount of range at which it is actually useful). So Citrine is one of the very few Warframes which can actually reasonably run this ability (Hyldrin is also one). For her 4th: I kinda wonder how and if it synergizes with Banshees Sonar. Gotta do some testing on that. Harrows 4th does.
Citrine: Can do her thing with relative ease, good for randoms. Harrow: Needs to focus on getting kills himself, but outpaces other supports doing so. Trinity: Basis of support in Warframe, a wonderful go-to Oberon: Hehe here's 500 armor and 100 healing per second
she does have a good place she is tough to kill she makes her teammates hard to kill good healing great energy economy so no need for energize you get her really easy and early in the game good weapon buffs good CC. she is just a really support that doesn’t have constantly worry about her team mates getting buffed cause the range is fixed at 50m
Citrine and Harrow are easily side grades to each other. However when it comes to weapon choice, this will decide which would be better for the circumstance. Also holy punctuation batman! This message was hard to read.
But Harrow doesn't look like a thunder egg. (It might only be in Australia that we call them that, but whatever you call the stunningly beautiful opaline stones that Citrine is modelled after, Harrow doesn't look like that. Thunder eggs are stunning and DE have captured tneir likeness beautifully in this new frame)
Haha never heard that name before but I like it ^^ And I like Thundereggs myself ^^ But personally I don't enjoy Citrines visuals that much though... However I'm happy for you that you enjoy her ;)
You skipped over one important fact in Citrines kit. Her press 3 does more than just shoot one enemy your targeting with a continuous stream of 4 status hits. It grants all allies within range, including Citrine herself, with a massive buff to status chance and status duration, meaning pretty much everyone's weapons are guaranteed their status procs, and the durations are doubled at minimum. This leads to the rapid melting of enemies left and right depending on what weapons your using. high crit, low status chance weapons, all of a sudden become guaranteed status proccing high crit weapons, critically multiplying that status damage, including those juicy pace setting initial and continual bleed procs. This also means weapons like the Cedo that do more damage the more status procs are on an enemy, and especially with Galvanized Savvy, adding even more damage per status proc, and her press three turns that weapon into a murder factory after the first shot, as whatever you just shot, is not only taking the stream of four status procs and elemental damages, but also every status built onto the Cedo, so that the Cedo's next hit, hits even harder. Using her three and four together, means the entire party now has guaranteed status procs, double duration minimum and its all crit damage, unless they can't hit the broad side of a barn. Also her press 2 can be added to by any other player, not just Citrine, so if others kill enemies, the Dr goes back up as well, so her party effectiveness isn't tied solely to her having to be the only one shooting things to buff a party. This becomes important when your party isn't the type to just wait around for you to shoot things. They're mowing things down with high end massive damage weapons that sometimes don't leave you a lot of targets to shoot. So it kind of feels better to just buff their ability to mow everything down, and survive with the DR. Her press three also extends the stat duration on her press one, doubling the time enemies are procced for dropping health or energy orbs. Since other players can kill them and force orbs to drop, they can also get energy top offs from the energy orbs when they need them, if they're not running equilibrium builds.
You have to consider all these additions from a new player base. If I recall harrow can't be farmed until approx 50hrs to 70hrs of game play in. Where as citrine can be acquired very early on making her a great starter frame that can even go into steel path. Harrows kit is more complex and offers more overall output. It's not that she's not great, she's accessible where as harrow isn't nearly for casual players
She's my main for playing with people, she thrives in the group and is a shotgun menace, i got her signature weapons the first day while grinding on styana pass, she hits hard
You're missing a trick not modding range. The 3 skill applies 4 statuses to everything you and your allies shoot within its circle. Through terrain. Add in Archon Continuity and youre getting free Corrosive for 76% Armor strip just attacking. With Condition Overload, Galvanized Savvy etc that is monstrous base damage buffing for free. One click, 40s of status priming every attack. The 4 looks great but the energy cost and long cast time are a bit of a downer. Can subsume the slot for something to cover her weaknesses - Khora/Nidus for grouping - Caliban for more through terrain CC and damage buffing - Baruuk for map-wide sleepy-go-bye-bye...
One month on, full tech having been discovered, let’s add some points; Citrine’s 3 buffed to target faster. Why? Because it turns out that it will target all enemies hit by her 1 in turn. Makes the ability great for all Condition scaling. On top of that, the ability grants Status Chance to all allies in range, something nearly no other Warframe does. Citrine offers passive healing, Orb healing, Orb energy, team-wide DR, Status boosts as well as bonus status effects to enemies with no line-of-sight check while you’re in range, CC and a Crit boost that even works on Acolytes. As a Support frame, very few come close.
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My budy said it right, citrine is a damn good frame that is far easier for new-ish players to get. You can get her much earlier in your grind and she is more forgiving to farm. I like her style and her abilities are fun. She may not be peak meta but she has her place
Revenant with new augment makes the whole squad immortal and gives 100% dmg boost with Roar or 100% armor strip with Pillage. Banshee with Sonar makes the whole squad deal dmg cap and with Silence + shield gate she is very survivable even in steel path, especially if you slap on a Resonator on her
@@amolistic_ 5 stacks is 5 seconds of immortality for your whole squad in affinity range and the ability is recastable. And wth do you need mod slots for? I can take half the mods from my revenant and still be OP.
@@kuchigyz6231 Recasting while you still having 20 or more stacks just for your teammate is...Unnecessary. What is the point of recasting your 20 or more stacks of Mesmer skin, just to give your teammate a max 5 stacks (83.33% strength Mesmer skin) of Mesmer, unless you wish to go for 3 more stacks of Mesmer, I don't see any much value in this augment in general gameplay, nor does it contribute much in a game of kpm and cc to render enemies unable to resist while you mercilessly murder them. Yes, 5s of invulnerability period is very good, but in a game where undead is easily obtainable by a vazarin focus school and those meta ways, and any facetanking build is undead in the general content where most of us stay anyways. this is a very saturated category already, adding another tank buff is no point at all. But even on level cap content, everyone bring vazarin already, rolling guard exists, shield gate exists, and it has reached to a point where you can't just sacrifice your safety to just give your teammates a 5s invulnerability. Enemies that can't act because of cc or died to you is equivalent to you being undead, too.
I'm actually very much in that "just unlocked Arbitration and SP recently, and don't have a lot of the more advanced mods" section of players. Though, I also have some clan mates that've been with the game since the beginning, and they really like playing as Citrine. So, it does seem like some of it might just come down to personal preferences. Plus, the farming is actually not all that hard. It took me just 2 days to get the parts and crystals to buy the parts I didn't get, for the frame and the weapons. Just playing in public matchmaking. So, that also makes for a nice earlier access farm, vs some of the more grindy late-game farms for other frames.
I think the best description of Citrine I've seen was from some other youtuber who said she's an "antisocial support". She's just doing her own thing and killing stuff, without actively trying to do support stuff, but still if your team happens to be nearby, they'll get health regen, damage reduction, red crits and will be showered with globes, and that's an awesome niche to fulfill. Also, keep in mind that for Harrow to do all the stuff he does arguably better than Citrine, he needs all 4 of his abilities, while Citrine can easily drop her stupid crystal and pick something like Gloom for the slow effect or Pillage for armor stripping (which again will provide a benefit to the party while she's just doing her own thing).
@@V2ULTRAKill well, it seems there was a buff to the prismatic gem ability in the meantime between my original comment and your reply, so you might be right now.
@@sousuzumi even pre buff it was her best It was a free 5 status primer from the start which alone increases average dps by more than red crits do unless youre using something like a rubico, which isnt exactly a great idea for standard mission types
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Great points to consider. Not sure if I agree. I just started using her. Harrow I have used a lot though. Harrow has increased fire rate, critical chance, healing, energy, and fire rate. But Cytrene may be much more tanky and that increased CD might be better than the increased CC. I will experiment some more.
keep in mind, harrow NEEDS to have stronger benefits to warrant playing him around his rather big disadvantages. Harrow has to have enemies around to support his team, he has to deal damage to heal, kill for energy, take damage for crits, apply cc for survivability. The big problem is you have to have enemies around while being in range of allies, those same allies who will do everything in their power to delete half the map, especially problematic since half the community plays aoe weapons or room clearing frames. Harrow has to actively fight against his team to support them. Meanwhile citrine, while her abilities are arguably less effective, doesn’t require your team to play around you, nor do you have to play around them. Yes she requires kills for her dr buff, but it also scales with assists (which is quite common with all of her abilities, especially the crystal in mind) while also being able to apply 90% dr immediately. Her 1st ability can apply health and energy regardless of who kills the enemies, on an ability with a fast cast and wide range. The crystal can provide huge status buffs and priming potential regardless of whos dealing damage, and her crit boost wont go to waste if there are no enemies around. (if you get a weak crit buff with a high duration harrow build, you’re stuck with that poor buff for the full length of the ability) Sorry for the long paragraph, i main harrow and theres a reason why people consider him a strong but not top tier support, what he brings to the table is super strong but can be hard to provide in certain team comps. citrine seems to be a great alternative for those who want to support their team, while being much more independent and consistent. tldr: harrow has stronger buffs but is inconsistent and difficult to manage with dr steve map deleter/citrine has weaker but more consistent support
Thank you for the fair and detailed input ^^ I agree. If you're playing in a team where you don't get the kills and damage you need as Harrow then Citrine is definitely superior. Maybe it's because I don't have a group to play with at the moment but when I go in random squads I ususally don't have that much of a problem with this. In a good premadse though... well yeah... Probably uncle Harrow won't see much combat xD
The issue I have with this video is not discussing how her sytche can be built into a condition overload ranged shooter. Her kit offers five status on its own, while I'm still fairly new, she's one of my better damage dealers due to this combo.
well while she is nothing new, i want to add that you forgot to mention that the 3rd ability boosts your status chance by a LOT, something that i can't think of anyone else doing
Citrine is a great support. And I mean -- for real. It's the first warframe in the game that can't do much by itself, but makes the party 100 times better. I would not use her to solo anything, but in a party, if you know what you're doing, is as good as Wisp, if not better. Also, don't underestimate her signature weapons. The heavy gun-scythe (Corufell) is a S tier weapon, especially if built for heavy hits. On that, I prefer the corrupted charge (x2 multiplier) build to the build-up-to-x12 build, but your mileage may vary. The primary shotgun (Steflos) is a B tier weapon, but it's perfect for her: it's a primer for the gun-scythe, and a marker for assist. Her signature skill, preserving shell, needs either kills or assists to keep up, and while the Corufell is a killing machine, the Steflos is designed to mark a large amount of targets for priming, to either be sloughetred by a Coruflell gun shot, the prismatic gem (ability 3) ray or your teammates. Also, with very high crit multiplier they devastate targets hit Crystallize (skill 4). Talking of that (skill 4), the heavy scythe gun-blade hit seems to be designed to seek-and-destroy the crystal growths generated by Crystallize. A couple of shots aimed in the general direction of the mobs with any amount of combo multiplier will clean a room. It's as if the weapon is scripted to seek and destroy crystallize mobs. TLDR: 1. use Citrine with her signature weapons; it's half the fun without. 2. by herself she's weak, in a team of 2 or more she's a powerhouse. Use her if you want to feel the real experience of a support role. Multiply the power of your team, that's what Citrine is about.
You should doing a video asking for returning players to come play warframe and drop their vaulted relics into the ecosystem. Help out newer players etc, could be an amazing call to arms for the community - Just an idea from a fellow returner
@MHBlacky @ Minute 2:20, als Du sagtest: Der Kristall greift nur ein Gegner an, das stimmt so leider nicht ganz, ich habe sie selbst, ihr 3 arbeitet mit ihrer 1 zusammen. Heißt: Du castest die 3 und castest dann die 1 auf die Gegner, dann werden bis zu 6 Gegner (zumindest so viele habe ich gezählt) gleichzeitig von ihrem Kristall angegriffen. Dann scaliert ihr drei 1:1 mit ihrer Stärke, heißt, Stärke gleich Statuschance, was ihre 3 wiederrum sehr stark mit Statuswaffen macht und nicht nur das, die zusätzlich Statuschance bekommen alle Teammates auf Frames und ALLE Waffen die im Team sind. Sie ist als Supporter eingestuft, so sollte sie auch behandelt werden, sie kann ziemlich viele Waffen und Warframes stärken und die Kombos sind teilweise ziemlich krass.
if you have ability strength numbers that doesn't result in 90% DR but have killed enough enemies for it to cap AND THEN recast it, the DR numbers will use the highest previous value. Meaning once you recast it, it still stays at 90% DR
also, the new arcane Double Back despite me disliking the way it currently functions as it doesn't fit what the arcane's description implies, makes for good sub DR when you're trying to build your ability DR up to 90
Although I have to say is we have alot of similar frames. Baruuk, Excalibur, valkry, voruna. What makes them unique I'd the concept. Like tribous once said someone may not want to be or like concept of bdsm chain wizard so while the builds the same it's nice to know theirs options with concepts
Unlike ANY OTHER FRAME, her four provides enough crit chance to allow any sniper rifle or shotgun spec'd with crit damage to one shot acolytes without any armor strip. Her kit is so survivability built that you can put 4 mods on her and have ABSOLUTELY no issue in steel path. . . With her base kit. I can't say that for ANY OTHER frame.
You could've just said "I made a Harrow build a while ago. Since I prefer Harrow over Citrine you should go watch that video. . . Again." But that wouldn't have been a ten minute video.
@Hailey umbral intensify, umbral vitality, equilibrium, steel charge. All of those frames will breeze through steel path, acolytes and all, with no problems AT ALL?
Probably won't drag me away from limbo, but i am excited to play around with her. I'll probably not get around to any optimization (not anytime soon, anyway) but a passive healer with free crits and armor sounds like my kinda deal.
I do not know how many people know about this, but my issue with citrine is the fact the her 4 gives only fixated 300% crits, but you can in fact make builds go beyond 300% crit to further multiply your crit multiplier, that's where Harrow would definitely be better because he adds a straight increase 50% body shot and 200% headshot, not fixated like Citrines. Essentially you have Tier 1 crits which are yellow crits, T2 crits which are orange, T3 crits which are red, then T4, T5, T6 so and so forth, those will all show up as red still but they will keep adding a whole extra layer each of your modified crit multiplier Harrow will always surpass Citrine damage wise, Citrine will probably always be better at survival though with just simply having that extra 90% damage reduction from her 2nd and the only reason why she has better survivability
So... I do wanna say that Citrines 1st ability can trigger her 3rd. So it ends up working really well together because as her enemies die from the bleed of er 1st and the damage of her 3rd combined, if there's any enemies in the area that are still suffering from the DoT of her 1st, then her 3rd will begin targeting them one by one as well for it's entire duration. Also, her 3rd ability CAN attack multiple targets, because it's rainbow attack is triggered by allies doing damage within the feild as well. If all 4 of you are attacking different targets, it will shoot at 4 enemies. Sadly, it doesn't stack if you are all attacking the same enemy, but still :) This Warframe is turning out to be one of my favorite frames ever. Lol she's so much fun and i LOVE the added lightshow :)
When your told your better off with harrow and no one still wants a harrow on the team. harrows utility is replaced by running zenirik with magus repair (energy and heal) and same for this frame.
As a largely solo player, -- thick into Arbitration and SP Survival, because they're my favorites, -- I majorly run Nidus and Harrow. Citrine is a synergy frame, that requires investment. Simply put: relatively easy to get, but not really accessible for most players to maximize. Harrow is a pure support though, -- and I say "pure" because his mitigation is useless at SP levels save stalling the inevitable nuke. Citrine, brings squad mitigation, passive health Regen, and drops blood health and energy at the cyclic to keep energy intensive frames going(pair a Citrine with a Wisp, or Inaros and watch magic) Better team synergy.
feel this frame is good for new player because to get harrow you need to get far in the star chart. Plus kuva spy mission was a pain to get when your not full equip or don't have a stealth warframe. Because she like Harrow new players will learn how to build make builds.
Yeah i felt this way too. Most of the big youtubers are praising her as excellent but really the main reason to use her is to give everyone on your team health regen and DR, so like a sidegrade wisp that adds DR instead of more health regen. her third ability really needs some buffs to be useful as well and i can't help but feeling why am i using her instead of "x frame" all the time. She isn't bad, but if you already have other frames, perhaps the broken op Mag for example, she doesn't really offer much to you. But if you are a somewhat new player she's great to farm and get yourself.
? . . . ? We not even gonna talk about 300% crit or that if you do it correctly using her 3 in a group and using an aoe stat weapon also boosts the SC via strength? and how well that works with condition overload. It only targets one enemy but it prioritizes enemies hit by ur weapon. So if you use say kuva ogris with nightwatch use that ability and fire into the crowd it will take a shot at all of them continuously switching targets? Or that the SC buff is a group buff if I recall correctly? We just not touching that?
@@adarkwind4712 300% crit on specific enemies in front of you, most of which are not on the head so you lose out on head multipliers, which boosts your damage almost or more than 300% crit chance would.
Yeah man that was precisely how I felt when playing her. And also as you say as a relatively fresh player I probably would love the living hell out of her because of all the stuff she provides without needing a proper build. I really see this as her primary niche ^^
I've always been a fan of support warframes even though I play mostly solo... trinity, equinox (night form)... citrine is just a new warframe for fun and I really like the buffs and its powers. .. personally I don't really like her 4th power so I replaced it with nourish (grendel helmint) and the aura I have combat discipline which heal 20hp to allies per kill and lose 10hp but i get my hp instantly with her passive in addition to proc viral from nourish since combat discipline damage you.. i love her 3th ability just for the status since i'm using the cedo i don't need to throw the glaive.. I like citrine her gameplay is quite interesting imo and I have lot of fun using her
I'm happy to hear that :D I personally don't really enjoy her but as we all know, taste is subjective and I'm happy that she gives you joy. That's the most important thing! :D
So what about using AOE weapons with the 3 to counter the lack of AOE from the ability.. And hit multiple enemies therefor effecting more enemies.. And also use AOE weapons with the 4 to guarantee Crystal hits in a wider range.. Would that work??
There are ways to play WF so that no huge health pool is needed even in Steel Path. It's been a while for me but afaicm -- shield gating, adaptation, particular operator schools and flat armor buff mods. Relying on health will get you one-shot in SP anyway eventually even on full health.
imo, Citrine doesnt have to be as active as Harrow to bring similar results. Except the crit factor ofc, where Harrow has to click 4 and tank some shots. Remember, there is quite a roster when it comes to doing damage, Harrow may not get kills to get supportive values for others, Citrine doesnt have to do much
My only problem with citrine is her cast speed. I think she is perfect in as a support frame and she can do most content without shield gating. Harrow parastic armor is great but if you build him that way he really cant support as well as a normal citrine build wich is super tanky and extremley supportive.
I very much prefer Citrine to Harrow. I hate the fact that for Harrow to shine, the team has to sit on their ass. Citrine can provide DR, heals, increased status and crit chance, additional basic element statuses for CO and she doesn't have to get the kills. Harrow needs his own kills and with the dominance of AoE abilities/weapons, you comepete with the squad instead of supporting and I hate that playstyle.
Has Harrow been changed to be less selfish? If not, I don’t think he’s as much a “better” option as he is a side-grade. He ain’t gonna do much on a team that doesn’t let him do all the work.
Well you are a bit wrong with ability 3. It coworks with ability one, what means the prism turret attacks everything that has been infested with ability 1, with multible rays.
Citrine seems to have been made for low mr/new players. Easy to farm, Passive and active healing, an ability to apply all basic status since new players don't have access to all of them, Early game % dmg resistance and a way to buff weapon damage and live the critical dream- Ah damn i was writing this before you said it yourself lmao
Max range is all that matters and you have infinite health and energy orbs and 90% DR for everyone. The 1 doesn't require kills like Harrow and can be spammed through walls. That makes her infinitely more mobile than Harrow or the various stuck in one area frames. The 3 is the only non mobile and you can helminth it or just deploy it as you arrive at big mobs.
I mean I'd say citrine is infinitely better for team play, especially with randoms. Harrow wants to do everything himself while his team just sits there not dying. Citrine can do her own thing while actively helping the team. Also I feel like her abilities are just easier to use.
I don't get the argument for harrow not being a good support because he needs to be actively killing, has ow made supports into a heal bot that gets no action. Are supports in a horde shooter suppose to not kill?
@@syn1338 it's not that supports aren't supposed to get kills, but harrow needs to get a majority of kills to keep his skills going. I like harrow, but I don't really like using him in a squad of randoms
@@syn1338 you're trying to compete with other warframes for kills just so you can be useful, that's not fun
@@syn1338 imagine playing harrow and Ur squad has a saryn, mesa, volt or mirage etc, it's not that you can't get kill at all, it is just hard and annoying.
@@usscolumbia6149 except he doesnt need to kill much. A headshot on a normal build gives 350+ energy. More than most peoples energy bars. His 4 benefits the team by pressing it near them and not needing to do anything special. He gets full use from his 1&2 by finding one enemy spawn.
While Harrow requires completion of Chains of Harrow, Citrine is farmable after the Heart of Deimos quest, much earlier on into the game. Coincidentally, Citrine is also completely viable with the limited mods a player is likely to have when they are at this early stage. Flawed equilibrium also exists, and the regular equilibrium can be farmed from Lephantis (also in Deimos) which means that the early game energy issues are pretty much solved when using Citrine. Furthermore, her kit is good enough to take her all the way into steel-path. Absolutely insane frame for newer/early game players.
Agreed! That's precisely what I said in my conclusion ;)
Old returning player here. Are you supposed to unlock Heart of Deimos first? I figured you had to have Old War stuff complete for either.
@@shadowshedinja6124 HoD unlocks Necramechs and such, it's first given to you when you get to MARS, much earlier than Mot, with no other requirements
@@Orion_44 no you have to complete Heart of Deimos otherwise otak won’t send you a letter and unlock the node
@@moonmoonow4514 that's what I said? HoD is a quest that comes WAY before CoH
Not sure if it changed since this video but citrine's prismatic gem(her 3rd ability) synergizes with her 1st. Casting her first ability inside the radius will cause the gem to latch onto all targets hit by it inflicting the statuses. It also gives a huge buff to status chance and duration for weapons inside the radius meaning it synergizes amazingly with weapons that benefit from mods like condition overload or galvanized aptitude. Since its basically guaranteed heat and electricity procs and increased status duration means its amazing for crowd control. This gives her amazing control over a large room or around a defense objective that I think Harrow lacks in.
Damn, i wanna try this tomorrow... As for now i just keep spamming the 1st ability hahahaha
She actually very quickly became one of my favorite frames to play of all time.
Same here.
Citrines 3rd is one of my all time favourite abilities, it’s so amazing
Harrow is one of my favorite frames, but I love Citrine and will probably play her a lot. Why? Because she feels totally different to play. Harrow is a very active frame - juggling abilities and watching cooldowns becomes my main focus. With Citrine, I can (comparatively) chill, while providing much of the same benefits. Plus her insane tankiness makes her a reasonable pick on solo Steel Path missions.
That's scary... A week ago I would've said this exact thing aswell :O
If you're enjoying Citrine then I'm happy! After all that's the most important thing :D But from what you're saying, maybe you'd like my Harrow Build from last week, too.
From all that I’ve seen, this is honestly true. Haven’t watched the video, but if it’s just this guy downplaying Citrine… there’s something he’s completely missing.
@@MHBlacky_ENG come play with me please 😢
I wouldn't call her an entry level harrow. Her kit offers some fun interactions with helminth which harrow doesn't provide.
@@UmbraFulgur she still provides red crits and DR to yourself that is far from useless. Even in solo play
@@UmbraFulgur Imo she's the better support for solo cause she need zero coordination to be strong and/or helpful. To me she's like some alt-dimension Inaros that happens to be a pretty dope support. Doesn't matter who gets the kills so she doesn't have to fight for them, so either they're in ranged to share benefits of like 4 buffs at once or they aren't. She can permanently function at full capacity either way.
@@UmbraFulgur and you're so wrong, because she doesn't really care if you are solo or in a team, she has a solid kit that just happens to benefit your team if they're around.
@@UmbraFulgur you just stink at playing support frames 😒
@@UmbraFulgur she has a baked in 5 status primer
Literally slap a phantasma prime and kuva nukor on her and she, without any crits, does more damage than harrows red crits, bonus points for helminthing roar or xatas whisper instead of cc over her 4
Don't have Citrine yet, but I'm already noticing one thing you haven't considered with her 1 compared to Harrows regen. As you said earlier, things like Blessing and Conversion combo well with this skill, which of course helps in many builds. That's something Harrow doesn't really offer. Harrow is also a mixed bag. He wants to be away from the group to restore hp and energy, but wants to be with the group as well to provide the buffs, where Citrine appears to not really care if she's solo or in a group and just provides buffs regardless of who kills what. Citrine is by far easier to use because of this, having a lower skill floor but lower skill ceiling, whereas Harrow has a higher skill floor but higher skill ceiling. Citrine can just do whatever and not really care about whose where doing what. Harrow wants to know this stuff to be the most effective and has to watch his own pools to boot.
Yeah that's some valid points. The thing with the skill floor and ceiling is very true ^^ Especially in a good premade team I agree, it can be difficulat as a Harrow to get the DPS you need. Mostly in my random squads I haven't had any problems with this from my own experience though. But I agree, for less advanced players (in both personal experience as well as build quality) She would be the more logical choice. Thanks for your input ;)
Citrine's 3 is her best ability. It buffs Status Chance and Status Duration while you are in the crystal's range. Making it a massive buff to Expedite Suffering builds. Citrine is one of the only Frames that can slot Expedite in and make it her primary damage tool as the Crystal also buffs her 1's status duration. This buff also scales very well into steel path, turning her into a Status Execution machine.
People are sleeping on her 3.
As far as fun goes, Her 3 and 4 together can make even Archguns have strong supporting stats.
not too mention when u add archon mods into the equation
i have to try expedite, didnt think of that
Dude recommends taking something off that increases status chance by like 260% lol
And you didn't even mention the massive buffs when galvanized aptitude or savvy are used. And that's for the whole team. Her 4 is her worst ability by far.
Honestly her 4 is her worst ability by far in most content, very slow casting time even with casting speed shards. Even though it gives you guaranteed red crits which is great, between the casting time and having to aim specifically at the crystallized body part you're not really gaining any DPS. Can be used effectively with specific setups, like with Phantasma or Kuva Nukor, but I don't think it adds anything special to her. Meanwhile her 1 is infinite energy, her 2 makes you immortal in any content that isn't level 1000+, her 3 applies a million status effects for CO and gives your weapons insane status chance + duration (and the ability itself does a ton of damage from base damage + DoTs). I personally subsume Roar over her 4 because it double dips on her 3's damage and increases her weapon damage + their status procs. Only time I'd ever subsume over anything else is like a level cap build where you'd have to shield gate to not get delete through her DR + health regen, in which case you'd replace her 2.
Her 3 clears her surroundings pretty damn fast if you smash all enemies at once with her 1. I actually rely on that combo on Steel Path
If built right this strategy wrecks on Duviri Circuit. Focus on getting decrees for Fearsome Bonanza, Close Contagion, the bonus damage to those with status, and some efficiency. You can go the distance with this build and carry a team or solo for a long time.
Just keep your 2nd up so you don't die from eximus.
her 3 is deus ex in combo with mass status nuke (lance\bramma) or splitbeam (nukor\atomos\ocukor) guns
She ROCKS in steel path!
crazy how you recorded all this citrine footage with one hand
Gemussy on top!!
For people watching this in the future, there are a few things wrong in this video. MHBlacky says that Citrine does nothing unique and is just a harrow clone, but this isn't true. Her 3 ability increases status chance and status duration for all enemies, which no other frame in the game can do currently. Furthermore her 3 can attack multiple enemies and not just one enemy. You just need to stand inside the aura of the 3 and cast 1 on a group of enemies, the crystal will fire a beam that inflicts them all with status effects. Even if you don't do that, the shard also targets all enemies taking weapon damage from your allies as well, so it's amazing in a group. Her 2 (Damage Reduction Ability) can instantly provide 90% DR on cast with enough ability strength, so although you can maintain it by killing enemies, you can also just recast it to instantly get back to 90% DR.
I shall posit an alternative theory here, Citrine is not like Harrow, she is far closer in usage to *Nezha.*
She has a passive heal, which combined with an innate 90% DR and the Adaptation, makes her remarkably tanky. After that, any support comes from Orb generation, in a similar manner to Nezha throwing his ring out. She has a crowd control ability on her 4, that is far better implemented as a CC that just happens to give crit, just like Bastile is a CC that just happens to strip and buff armor... also her 3 does seem to target multiple enemies, if you use her 1 in the range of it.
tl;dr, Citrine is not Discount Harrow, she's an alternative to Nezha.
Ima try too get her now that at you made that comparison but I'm a nezha main is she as fun to play with? I love nezha for his ability too just provide the feeling of none stop action while still having room for different play styles and tactics
@streetvybzswag 1.0 Far as I know, she can really only do the "face tank, not die" version of Nezha, but she does it pretty damned well. I'd still have to spend more time with her to carve out a proper niche.
For me, the most important skill of Citrine is her 3.
On launch it was weaker, but still, it increases the status chance for all allies inside it's area and it attacks your target (and allies's targets) and enemies affected by your 1 with tons of status.
It also increases the status duration from her 1.
I never compared her to any warframe. I think she's fun and viable. Harrow is also fun and viable. It's nice to have options.
ypu can't really compare warframes, they all are different and different playsyyles
Hey there, I commented yesterday on your best beginner Warframe video. So I said there that I will get her. It took 4-4.5 hours of nearly non-stop playing that mode mostly due to my inability to remember to upgrade not just the weapons and my Warframe but the mods as well. But I got carried at Wave 5 or 6 at least and I got the second game the Warframe blueprint then the neuroptic in the next game. And I farmed and buy the remaining two pieces. Now I need plastids and some Necralisk standing for a blueprint that will allow me to create a material which will be used to craft the pieces of Citrine. While I was at it, I upgreded my Karak and its mods so now it shoots like a minigun with a multishot multiplier mod maxed out and a fire rate booster maxed out. With 39 round it melts through the Grineer in that mission and I love it.
New video idea: best beginner primary; if you already have a video about it then secondary
You have to try dropping her 4th for breach surge! Her 3rd will also hit everyone you hit with your 1st you can clear rooms with just that ability combo in SP
Actually when playing her I too was thinking that dropping her 4 might actually be better than dropping her 3 on occasions. Her 4 really doesn't resonate with me...
@@MHBlacky_ENG her 4 isnt good, replacing it with literally any radial cc, or any damage multiplier makes her better
Shes a status primer, not a crit frame
@@V2ULTRAKillTHANK YOU IM GLAD YOU UNDERSTAND
I've been using her quite a bit. She is... Absurd. Easier to use than Harrow (espescially replacing her 3 with whatever Helminth ability you want, I found Pillage to be the most hillarious), and the new Secondary arcane + her 4 makes the Kuva Nukor crit for absolutely ungodly amounts. Same with Cedo alt-fire. It lets you make some new absurd build combo's while she is very active playstyle wise AND effectively unkillable.
Agreed! I think for some absurd and funny off meta builds she can be a real blessing :D
i like her spammy style so far, but what? 3hrs into her? i bought her complete set - will farm second for helminth. I have to say, i absolutely love your style as a content creator. balanced, no yell to sell shenanigans (ty spell check for that one ;0) and just a calm view point, supported with experience and testing. bravo. now off to check ur harrow guide -
Thank you for the lovely words, bro
90% dmg reduction can help other players in the squad to go for heavy offensive, I like to use mag and xaku but neither of them can play at ease in high level due to lack of dmg reduction and this fix it. And harrow third has requirements like get kill to get energy. On ur four, u must get shot for the crit. Where instead she offers all without such requirements - just shoot at the enemy crystals, energy orbs are drop no matter who did the killing blow, and it helps to proc orbs buff like arcane energize, blessing and more. She has a place that harrow can't fully takeover.
yep, she's going to basically bring back squishy frames on steel path premades by herself.
Every pre-made now starts with Wisp and Citrine, and everything else is taste.
@@targetthyself yeap, other than nuliffy or enemy that goes BURRRR radiowave the two together just make everyone a tank.
so imo this comment is stupid. even 90% dr doesnt really do much for the squishy frames as most frames build with 75 shield and 300hp in mind. in even entry level steel path the actual effect in game is almost meaningless. Personal take is that support frames are useless in the current state of the game. the game is way to easy to need them if you do you built your frame wrong and health tanks are for lazy people wanting to do low level content (yes entry level steel path is low level content) without really playing the game cause god forbid a frame cant sit in a corner and shoot a zar across the room. like at the end of the day they are still in the game and if you like them thats great just my take on what has been causing some braindead meta's. i personally dont think having so many braindead characters is healthy for the game.
@@smolneko550 ah yes sure. Good point. Moving on.
Played Warframe and dropped it a couple times. I’ve matured now lol. I love warframe so far. Having a ton of fun exploring and discovering new mechanics and functions.
DR effectively makes the healing 250 hp per second since every health point is worth 10x normal damage. On top of that health orbs are also worth ~10x the ehp. Many people also run synth fiber and equilibrium making the energy and health amounts insane. Citrine is definitely better if you are coordinating with your whole squad. Maybe for endurance runs or the like.
define endurance because what i would think of as endurance citrine only really provides energy. the dr and health is useless after a certain level and you need to have some gating anyway so there is no reason to play her for endurance.
She pretty good for the 1 to 2 hr endurance most people run. Hardcore endurance runners may think differently though.
@@christianflex4all naw in hardcore endurance shes still useful due to prismatic gem
Citrine is actually really good for team play. She plays very well for long term missions. A citrine who spams her 1 and her 3 is a godsend for a korah nuke
When I saw her abilities, I looked at mods like condition overload or galvanized aptitude. In that case, depending on how many status effects your weapons have, you could be dealing anywhere from 10-8 different status effects, which seems like it could massively increase weapon damage, even if it's only on one target. Certainly a niche usage case, but definitely something not to be scoffed at
The rest of her kit is miles better, you're going to subsume on something much better and call it a day. Reminds me of the way DE keep trying to fix Mesa's 3. Please stop, under no earth am I ever keeping that over any other option on the helmitnth board.
@@targetthyself You mean Mesa's 1? Her 3 is her Damage Reduction, last I checked. Honestly it's gotten to the point where I genuinely prefer to keep her 1 over her 2 after all its buffs.
@@targetthyself for defense or any stationary mission, the 3 is nuts, spams status all over the place. For exterminate, capture etc. Yeah you will want to Helminth it off.
@@awrebyaweIf you're doing Capture or Exterminate why are you using Citrine to begin with.
@@targetthyself no its not
Prismatic gem is OBJECTIVELY citrines best ability, almost on par with breach surge for how absolutely ridiculous it gets
Citrine feels like what I call the dad role frame. She shines when she gots teammates who benefit from her.
I consider her right in line with Harrow or Rhino. Albeit kinda simple in comparison.
Also thirst frame exists and citrine got that over those two 😂
I don't see the thirst appeal
@@b3ardedragon921 whatta bout dat gemussy????
Citrine doesn't do anything new, BUT she does damn near every type of supporting all at once and VERY comfortably. You just do your thing and everyone benefits, or your team does their thing and everyone still benefits. I don't think making everyone in range a tank can really be overlooked just because high-level players already build for survivability. It allows people to make mistakes and not pay for them. I've haven't seen anyone die while in-range of my 2 so far, I have seen them die when out of range though. Near-permanent 90% DR is a LOT. Additionally, increasing energy orb drops will inherently have a little more value than directly granting energy because of both, it not being inhibited by energy-draining abilities, and not having as much go to waste as it can be left on the ground when full.
Pls ignore what he says about her 3rd. You can get it to hit in the thousands with enough power strength. Like everything thing in the game the mods are what make your frames shine
Don't have her yet, but she seems like she would be more useful for general support with randoms than Harrow. I enjoy playing Harrow, but there are enough people running nuke builds that there are times where it's hard to get as much value out of him. In organized team play, though, I'd definitely agree that Harrow can be more useful.
agreed she super strong
I came to this video expecting a person whinning about a new warframe, but after seeing the whole video i see that you have made a very quality video with good explanation and a very solid point, thanks.
Thank you for the motivating feedback ❤️ I have to add though that what many people said in the comments about Harrow being an inferior team support in scenarios where the Harrow player doesn't get consistent kills, that is true ad in these cases Citrine does have the upper hand 😉
You might wanna do a revisit on her. Third ability targets multiple enemies (i think it caps at 5 or so from what ive seen). Ive been using her for a few weeks now and is a solid frame. She is best with a team but can be ran solo fairly easily.
No target cap, try it on steel path. Everyone who gets hit the her 1 gets swept by the beam
I wasnt sure if ther was a cap or not 5 is just the most visual ive seen i guess i shoukd have stated lol, but yeah you are right even on non steelpath theres no cap just a visual limitation.
Do you think you'll keep playing Citrine in the long run? 🤔
Yeah I see some use for this frame. However, there are other frames which do what she does; Even better.
What are your thoughts on the new weapons and possible builds for them?
Yes I find her abilities to all be useful be it as a team player or solo and her melee is great especially when she uses her ultimate to get red crits from it she is a frame I’d want on a steal path team even if just for her second ability it on it’s own makes a huge difference I’d recommend her for anyone who likes to help others but also wants to be self sufficient because she does both very well your build was very different then mine you had mods I have never got to drop despite playing for years that said even with my current build I believe this is a frame that can replace harrow as she is just as good easier to play and easier to get
Yup. Probably more than harrow. I use Nezha with roar solo generally and I’ll probably use Citrine in a group.
@@3slaps As long as you're having fun with her there's no need to use someone else, true! :D Haven't tested the new weaopns yet but I'm looking forward to doing that in the upcoming days :D
@@adarkwind4712 Sure, if you prefer her playstyle then absolutely go for it! Your team will thank you for it ;)
Just as happy to see a citrine as I am happy to see a wisp in my group for general things like steel path dailies or sorties ect
her 3 also buffs your status chance and status duration to people in the range of the crystal which is very good
I'm just glad we've got a new Frame that's not in an end game area like Stynax, or arguably Voruna is.
Got Citrine a while ago, still playing her as she does insane amounts of damage with her crystals, her 4'th ability and giving you a better chance to get health and energy with her 1'st ability, yeah dude, definitely will continue to play with her she is strong.
Citrine is a fun frame and has insane synergy with nidus. Team up with your friend sometime who has nidus and you'll both be invincible. We're currently trying to get max arcane blessing for nidus and citrine.
8:03 if you play warframe incorrectly, then yes, you probably will get out classed in about 20 minutes or so in an endurance based run
8:40 it’s tied to an ability and harrow often times has to compete with his teammates for kills and enemies, which is a very uncomfortable experience. I’ve played harrow and he also to my knowledge doesn’t have damage reduction, which is a little bit more important than healing
9:29 Citrine has one big advantage in the energy department, which is channeling abilities.
Abilities like Gloom from Sevagoth (this ability is in the helminth system) are a very powerful crowd control. But its just as power hungry. Gloom consumes gigantic amounts of energy, which cannot be restored through Trinitys Energy Vampire or Harrows 3rd. Also with downtime in beween the ability looses all its range, which is almost as if it was a cooldown. So letting it run out and simply recast it, is not an option. So the absolutely only way to keep this ability running is regenrating energy through Orbs (also utilizing Equilibrium), Arcane Energize AND archon shards increasing the amount of energy orbs provide. Again: Gloom is a channeling ability that needs LOADs of energy. Even Sevagoth himself can barely sustain this ability (at least if you want to mod it to an amount of range at which it is actually useful). So Citrine is one of the very few Warframes which can actually reasonably run this ability (Hyldrin is also one).
For her 4th: I kinda wonder how and if it synergizes with Banshees Sonar. Gotta do some testing on that. Harrows 4th does.
The crystal attacks every enemy hit by her first ability and the number of targets is based off her range with my testing, on Xbox btw
Citrine: Can do her thing with relative ease, good for randoms.
Harrow: Needs to focus on getting kills himself, but outpaces other supports doing so.
Trinity: Basis of support in Warframe, a wonderful go-to
Oberon: Hehe here's 500 armor and 100 healing per second
she does have a good place she is tough to kill she makes her teammates hard to kill good healing great energy economy so no need for energize you get her really easy and early in the game good weapon buffs good CC. she is just a really support that doesn’t have constantly worry about her team mates getting buffed cause the range is fixed at 50m
she’s easier to get than harrow and wisp and debatable that she is a better harrow
Citrine and Harrow are easily side grades to each other. However when it comes to weapon choice, this will decide which would be better for the circumstance.
Also holy punctuation batman! This message was hard to read.
@@Cross1nsan1ty? What about it was difficult?
@@adarkwind4712 no just memeing about the grammar.
But Harrow doesn't look like a thunder egg. (It might only be in Australia that we call them that, but whatever you call the stunningly beautiful opaline stones that Citrine is modelled after, Harrow doesn't look like that. Thunder eggs are stunning and DE have captured tneir likeness beautifully in this new frame)
Haha never heard that name before but I like it ^^ And I like Thundereggs myself ^^
But personally I don't enjoy Citrines visuals that much though... However I'm happy for you that you enjoy her ;)
You almost get to 20k hope you get there
You skipped over one important fact in Citrines kit. Her press 3 does more than just shoot one enemy your targeting with a continuous stream of 4 status hits. It grants all allies within range, including Citrine herself, with a massive buff to status chance and status duration, meaning pretty much everyone's weapons are guaranteed their status procs, and the durations are doubled at minimum. This leads to the rapid melting of enemies left and right depending on what weapons your using. high crit, low status chance weapons, all of a sudden become guaranteed status proccing high crit weapons, critically multiplying that status damage, including those juicy pace setting initial and continual bleed procs. This also means weapons like the Cedo that do more damage the more status procs are on an enemy, and especially with Galvanized Savvy, adding even more damage per status proc, and her press three turns that weapon into a murder factory after the first shot, as whatever you just shot, is not only taking the stream of four status procs and elemental damages, but also every status built onto the Cedo, so that the Cedo's next hit, hits even harder. Using her three and four together, means the entire party now has guaranteed status procs, double duration minimum and its all crit damage, unless they can't hit the broad side of a barn. Also her press 2 can be added to by any other player, not just Citrine, so if others kill enemies, the Dr goes back up as well, so her party effectiveness isn't tied solely to her having to be the only one shooting things to buff a party. This becomes important when your party isn't the type to just wait around for you to shoot things. They're mowing things down with high end massive damage weapons that sometimes don't leave you a lot of targets to shoot. So it kind of feels better to just buff their ability to mow everything down, and survive with the DR. Her press three also extends the stat duration on her press one, doubling the time enemies are procced for dropping health or energy orbs. Since other players can kill them and force orbs to drop, they can also get energy top offs from the energy orbs when they need them, if they're not running equilibrium builds.
You have to consider all these additions from a new player base. If I recall harrow can't be farmed until approx 50hrs to 70hrs of game play in. Where as citrine can be acquired very early on making her a great starter frame that can even go into steel path. Harrows kit is more complex and offers more overall output. It's not that she's not great, she's accessible where as harrow isn't nearly for casual players
i will never change her 3rd ability... i love it!
She's my main for playing with people, she thrives in the group and is a shotgun menace, i got her signature weapons the first day while grinding on styana pass, she hits hard
You're missing a trick not modding range. The 3 skill applies 4 statuses to everything you and your allies shoot within its circle. Through terrain. Add in Archon Continuity and youre getting free Corrosive for 76% Armor strip just attacking. With Condition Overload, Galvanized Savvy etc that is monstrous base damage buffing for free. One click, 40s of status priming every attack. The 4 looks great but the energy cost and long cast time are a bit of a downer. Can subsume the slot for something to cover her weaknesses - Khora/Nidus for grouping - Caliban for more through terrain CC and damage buffing - Baruuk for map-wide sleepy-go-bye-bye...
One month on, full tech having been discovered, let’s add some points;
Citrine’s 3 buffed to target faster. Why? Because it turns out that it will target all enemies hit by her 1 in turn. Makes the ability great for all Condition scaling. On top of that, the ability grants Status Chance to all allies in range, something nearly no other Warframe does.
Citrine offers passive healing, Orb healing, Orb energy, team-wide DR, Status boosts as well as bonus status effects to enemies with no line-of-sight check while you’re in range, CC and a Crit boost that even works on Acolytes.
As a Support frame, very few come close.
Good video! I was hoping if you could make a video about which syndicate should I join or the pros and cons about them, it would help a lot. Greetings from Chile 🇨🇱
My budy said it right, citrine is a damn good frame that is far easier for new-ish players to get. You can get her much earlier in your grind and she is more forgiving to farm. I like her style and her abilities are fun. She may not be peak meta but she has her place
Revenant with new augment makes the whole squad immortal and gives 100% dmg boost with Roar or 100% armor strip with Pillage.
Banshee with Sonar makes the whole squad deal dmg cap and with Silence + shield gate she is very survivable even in steel path, especially if you slap on a Resonator on her
5 stacks only, which is quite...little, tbh.
@@amolistic_ 5 stacks is 5 seconds of immortality for your whole squad in affinity range and the ability is recastable. And wth do you need mod slots for? I can take half the mods from my revenant and still be OP.
@@kuchigyz6231 Recasting while you still having 20 or more stacks just for your teammate is...Unnecessary.
What is the point of recasting your 20 or more stacks of Mesmer skin, just to give your teammate a max 5 stacks (83.33% strength Mesmer skin) of Mesmer, unless you wish to go for 3 more stacks of Mesmer, I don't see any much value in this augment in general gameplay, nor does it contribute much in a game of kpm and cc to render enemies unable to resist while you mercilessly murder them.
Yes, 5s of invulnerability period is very good, but in a game where undead is easily obtainable by a vazarin focus school and those meta ways, and any facetanking build is undead in the general content where most of us stay anyways.
this is a very saturated category already, adding another tank buff is no point at all.
But even on level cap content, everyone bring vazarin already, rolling guard exists, shield gate exists, and it has reached to a point where you can't just sacrifice your safety to just give your teammates a 5s invulnerability.
Enemies that can't act because of cc or died to you is equivalent to you being undead, too.
@@amolistic_ let them die then, idk what do you want me to tell you
@@kuchigyz6231 it is just my opinion. Nothing too special.
I'm actually very much in that "just unlocked Arbitration and SP recently, and don't have a lot of the more advanced mods" section of players. Though, I also have some clan mates that've been with the game since the beginning, and they really like playing as Citrine. So, it does seem like some of it might just come down to personal preferences. Plus, the farming is actually not all that hard. It took me just 2 days to get the parts and crystals to buy the parts I didn't get, for the frame and the weapons. Just playing in public matchmaking. So, that also makes for a nice earlier access farm, vs some of the more grindy late-game farms for other frames.
I think the best description of Citrine I've seen was from some other youtuber who said she's an "antisocial support". She's just doing her own thing and killing stuff, without actively trying to do support stuff, but still if your team happens to be nearby, they'll get health regen, damage reduction, red crits and will be showered with globes, and that's an awesome niche to fulfill.
Also, keep in mind that for Harrow to do all the stuff he does arguably better than Citrine, he needs all 4 of his abilities, while Citrine can easily drop her stupid crystal and pick something like Gloom for the slow effect or Pillage for armor stripping (which again will provide a benefit to the party while she's just doing her own thing).
Nooo
Citrines prismatic gem is her BEST ability
You helminth off her 4
@@V2ULTRAKill well, it seems there was a buff to the prismatic gem ability in the meantime between my original comment and your reply, so you might be right now.
@@sousuzumi even pre buff it was her best
It was a free 5 status primer from the start which alone increases average dps by more than red crits do unless youre using something like a rubico, which isnt exactly a great idea for standard mission types
I started playing the game and your videos are one of the best to watch... So I want to request to create a vid about what's the best warframe and weapons for beginners this 2023 and how to grind it easily and a beginner guide for void relic
I have her, i farmed her (had to buy every single part, sadly). She's fckn great, her 3rd avility is insanely fun to use
I have never seen someone smoke copium like crack mans is meat riding harrow like crazy
He is a Masochist
Third Ability with 4th replaced with Sickening Pulse yields some interesting results. Archon mods can also work with it.
Great points to consider. Not sure if I agree. I just started using her. Harrow I have used a lot though. Harrow has increased fire rate, critical chance, healing, energy, and fire rate. But Cytrene may be much more tanky and that increased CD might be better than the increased CC. I will experiment some more.
Thanks man ;) You don't have to agree with me at the end of the day but the discussion is always interesting ;)
Wish you a lot of fun with her ^^
keep in mind, harrow NEEDS to have stronger benefits to warrant playing him around his rather big disadvantages.
Harrow has to have enemies around to support his team, he has to deal damage to heal, kill for energy, take damage for crits, apply cc for survivability. The big problem is you have to have enemies around while being in range of allies, those same allies who will do everything in their power to delete half the map, especially problematic since half the community plays aoe weapons or room clearing frames. Harrow has to actively fight against his team to support them.
Meanwhile citrine, while her abilities are arguably less effective, doesn’t require your team to play around you, nor do you have to play around them. Yes she requires kills for her dr buff, but it also scales with assists (which is quite common with all of her abilities, especially the crystal in mind) while also being able to apply 90% dr immediately. Her 1st ability can apply health and energy regardless of who kills the enemies, on an ability with a fast cast and wide range. The crystal can provide huge status buffs and priming potential regardless of whos dealing damage, and her crit boost wont go to waste if there are no enemies around. (if you get a weak crit buff with a high duration harrow build, you’re stuck with that poor buff for the full length of the ability)
Sorry for the long paragraph, i main harrow and theres a reason why people consider him a strong but not top tier support, what he brings to the table is super strong but can be hard to provide in certain team comps. citrine seems to be a great alternative for those who want to support their team, while being much more independent and consistent.
tldr: harrow has stronger buffs but is inconsistent and difficult to manage with dr steve map deleter/citrine has weaker but more consistent support
Thank you for the fair and detailed input ^^
I agree. If you're playing in a team where you don't get the kills and damage you need as Harrow then Citrine is definitely superior.
Maybe it's because I don't have a group to play with at the moment but when I go in random squads I ususally don't have that much of a problem with this. In a good premadse though... well yeah... Probably uncle Harrow won't see much combat xD
The issue I have with this video is not discussing how her sytche can be built into a condition overload ranged shooter. Her kit offers five status on its own, while I'm still fairly new, she's one of my better damage dealers due to this combo.
I like how rhinos "distinguishing factor" is his helminth ability
I mean wisp is the same
Ty subbed. Looking forward to you future contents.
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well while she is nothing new, i want to add that you forgot to mention that the 3rd ability boosts your status chance by a LOT, something that i can't think of anyone else doing
i am enjoying playing CITRINE
with her 3rd, it might be a good idea to bring marked for death, and toss a condition overload on a sniper
Citrine is a great support. And I mean -- for real. It's the first warframe in the game that can't do much by itself, but makes the party 100 times better. I would not use her to solo anything, but in a party, if you know what you're doing, is as good as Wisp, if not better.
Also, don't underestimate her signature weapons. The heavy gun-scythe (Corufell) is a S tier weapon, especially if built for heavy hits. On that, I prefer the corrupted charge (x2 multiplier) build to the build-up-to-x12 build, but your mileage may vary.
The primary shotgun (Steflos) is a B tier weapon, but it's perfect for her: it's a primer for the gun-scythe, and a marker for assist. Her signature skill, preserving shell, needs either kills or assists to keep up, and while the Corufell is a killing machine, the Steflos is designed to mark a large amount of targets for priming, to either be sloughetred by a Coruflell gun shot, the prismatic gem (ability 3) ray or your teammates. Also, with very high crit multiplier they devastate targets hit Crystallize (skill 4).
Talking of that (skill 4), the heavy scythe gun-blade hit seems to be designed to seek-and-destroy the crystal growths generated by Crystallize. A couple of shots aimed in the general direction of the mobs with any amount of combo multiplier will clean a room. It's as if the weapon is scripted to seek and destroy crystallize mobs.
TLDR:
1. use Citrine with her signature weapons; it's half the fun without.
2. by herself she's weak, in a team of 2 or more she's a powerhouse. Use her if you want to feel the real experience of a support role. Multiply the power of your team, that's what Citrine is about.
You should doing a video asking for returning players to come play warframe and drop their vaulted relics into the ecosystem. Help out newer players etc, could be an amazing call to arms for the community - Just an idea from a fellow returner
@MHBlacky @ Minute 2:20, als Du sagtest: Der Kristall greift nur ein Gegner an, das stimmt so leider nicht ganz, ich habe sie selbst, ihr 3 arbeitet mit ihrer 1 zusammen.
Heißt: Du castest die 3 und castest dann die 1 auf die Gegner, dann werden bis zu 6 Gegner (zumindest so viele habe ich gezählt) gleichzeitig von ihrem Kristall angegriffen.
Dann scaliert ihr drei 1:1 mit ihrer Stärke, heißt, Stärke gleich Statuschance, was ihre 3 wiederrum sehr stark mit Statuswaffen macht und nicht nur das, die zusätzlich Statuschance bekommen alle Teammates auf Frames und ALLE Waffen die im Team sind.
Sie ist als Supporter eingestuft, so sollte sie auch behandelt werden, sie kann ziemlich viele Waffen und Warframes stärken und die Kombos sind teilweise ziemlich krass.
if you have ability strength numbers that doesn't result in 90% DR but have killed enough enemies for it to cap AND THEN recast it, the DR numbers will use the highest previous value. Meaning once you recast it, it still stays at 90% DR
also, the new arcane Double Back despite me disliking the way it currently functions as it doesn't fit what the arcane's description implies, makes for good sub DR when you're trying to build your ability DR up to 90
if 'actually' difficult arena-style content existed citrine would be hands down a great team support frame
Although I have to say is we have alot of similar frames. Baruuk, Excalibur, valkry, voruna. What makes them unique I'd the concept. Like tribous once said someone may not want to be or like concept of bdsm chain wizard so while the builds the same it's nice to know theirs options with concepts
Unlike ANY OTHER FRAME, her four provides enough crit chance to allow any sniper rifle or shotgun spec'd with crit damage to one shot acolytes without any armor strip. Her kit is so survivability built that you can put 4 mods on her and have ABSOLUTELY no issue in steel path. . . With her base kit. I can't say that for ANY OTHER frame.
You could've just said "I made a Harrow build a while ago. Since I prefer Harrow over Citrine you should go watch that video. . . Again." But that wouldn't have been a ten minute video.
@@MoneyShot127 Yeah I've been enjoying Citrine a lot lately.
Octavia, Saryn, Wisp, Khora if one of those four mods is an augment, Revenant, probably a couple of others that I'm forgetting or haven't tried.
@Hailey umbral intensify, umbral vitality, equilibrium, steel charge.
All of those frames will breeze through steel path, acolytes and all, with no problems AT ALL?
Probably won't drag me away from limbo, but i am excited to play around with her. I'll probably not get around to any optimization (not anytime soon, anyway) but a passive healer with free crits and armor sounds like my kinda deal.
One thing I have noticed with the 3. Weapons that chain get support on all the chained targets...
I do not know how many people know about this, but my issue with citrine is the fact the her 4 gives only fixated 300% crits, but you can in fact make builds go beyond 300% crit to further multiply your crit multiplier, that's where Harrow would definitely be better because he adds a straight increase 50% body shot and 200% headshot, not fixated like Citrines.
Essentially you have Tier 1 crits which are yellow crits, T2 crits which are orange, T3 crits which are red, then T4, T5, T6 so and so forth, those will all show up as red still but they will keep adding a whole extra layer each of your modified crit multiplier
Harrow will always surpass Citrine damage wise, Citrine will probably always be better at survival though with just simply having that extra 90% damage reduction from her 2nd and the only reason why she has better survivability
So... I do wanna say that Citrines 1st ability can trigger her 3rd. So it ends up working really well together because as her enemies die from the bleed of er 1st and the damage of her 3rd combined, if there's any enemies in the area that are still suffering from the DoT of her 1st, then her 3rd will begin targeting them one by one as well for it's entire duration. Also, her 3rd ability CAN attack multiple targets, because it's rainbow attack is triggered by allies doing damage within the feild as well. If all 4 of you are attacking different targets, it will shoot at 4 enemies. Sadly, it doesn't stack if you are all attacking the same enemy, but still :)
This Warframe is turning out to be one of my favorite frames ever. Lol she's so much fun and i LOVE the added lightshow :)
Prismatic gem trick
Place it, use pull, use her 1st on the blom of pulled enemies, proceed to shoot everything
Rinse, repeat
@@V2ULTRAKill oh i never thought of that!! Thanks!
@@ezkillionaire3276 it primes every enemy, triggers max stacks of savvy on your phantasma prime, and nukes
When your told your better off with harrow and no one still wants a harrow on the team. harrows utility is replaced by running zenirik with magus repair (energy and heal) and same for this frame.
As a largely solo player, -- thick into Arbitration and SP Survival, because they're my favorites, -- I majorly run Nidus and Harrow.
Citrine is a synergy frame, that requires investment. Simply put: relatively easy to get, but not really accessible for most players to maximize.
Harrow is a pure support though, -- and I say "pure" because his mitigation is useless at SP levels save stalling the inevitable nuke.
Citrine, brings squad mitigation, passive health Regen, and drops blood health and energy at the cyclic to keep energy intensive frames going(pair a Citrine with a Wisp, or Inaros and watch magic) Better team synergy.
feel this frame is good for new player because to get harrow you need to get far in the star chart. Plus kuva spy mission was a pain to get when your not full equip or don't have a stealth warframe. Because she like Harrow new players will learn how to build make builds.
Yeah i felt this way too. Most of the big youtubers are praising her as excellent but really the main reason to use her is to give everyone on your team health regen and DR, so like a sidegrade wisp that adds DR instead of more health regen.
her third ability really needs some buffs to be useful as well and i can't help but feeling why am i using her instead of "x frame" all the time.
She isn't bad, but if you already have other frames, perhaps the broken op Mag for example, she doesn't really offer much to you. But if you are a somewhat new player she's great to farm and get yourself.
? . . . ? We not even gonna talk about 300% crit or that if you do it correctly using her 3 in a group and using an aoe stat weapon also boosts the SC via strength? and how well that works with condition overload. It only targets one enemy but it prioritizes enemies hit by ur weapon. So if you use say kuva ogris with nightwatch use that ability and fire into the crowd it will take a shot at all of them continuously switching targets? Or that the SC buff is a group buff if I recall correctly? We just not touching that?
@@adarkwind4712 300% crit on specific enemies in front of you, most of which are not on the head so you lose out on head multipliers, which boosts your damage almost or more than 300% crit chance would.
So don’t shoot the head shoot the crystal. And almost is still not more.
Yeah man that was precisely how I felt when playing her. And also as you say as a relatively fresh player I probably would love the living hell out of her because of all the stuff she provides without needing a proper build. I really see this as her primary niche ^^
Since she came out, I have not touched any other frame anymore. I am so sorry you have not understood her power yet
I've always been a fan of support warframes even though I play mostly solo... trinity, equinox (night form)... citrine is just a new warframe for fun and I really like the buffs and its powers. .. personally I don't really like her 4th power so I replaced it with nourish (grendel helmint) and the aura I have combat discipline which heal 20hp to allies per kill and lose 10hp but i get my hp instantly with her passive in addition to proc viral from nourish since combat discipline damage you.. i love her 3th ability just for the status since i'm using the cedo i don't need to throw the glaive.. I like citrine her gameplay is quite interesting imo and I have lot of fun using her
I'm happy to hear that :D I personally don't really enjoy her but as we all know, taste is subjective and I'm happy that she gives you joy. That's the most important thing! :D
So what about using AOE weapons with the 3 to counter the lack of AOE from the ability.. And hit multiple enemies therefor effecting more enemies.. And also use AOE weapons with the 4 to guarantee Crystal hits in a wider range.. Would that work??
Seems like Citrine would pair very well with a skill 2 focused Mirage as a duo team.
Wait u can add ability to helmets now?
There are ways to play WF so that no huge health pool is needed even in Steel Path. It's been a while for me but afaicm -- shield gating, adaptation, particular operator schools and flat armor buff mods. Relying on health will get you one-shot in SP anyway eventually even on full health.
The clear middle ground here is just to put both of these Frames on the same Team to stack and reap both of the heightened benefits.
imo, Citrine doesnt have to be as active as Harrow to bring similar results. Except the crit factor ofc, where Harrow has to click 4 and tank some shots. Remember, there is quite a roster when it comes to doing damage, Harrow may not get kills to get supportive values for others, Citrine doesnt have to do much
My only problem with citrine is her cast speed. I think she is perfect in as a support frame and she can do most content without shield gating. Harrow parastic armor is great but if you build him that way he really cant support as well as a normal citrine build wich is super tanky and extremley supportive.
I very much prefer Citrine to Harrow. I hate the fact that for Harrow to shine, the team has to sit on their ass. Citrine can provide DR, heals, increased status and crit chance, additional basic element statuses for CO and she doesn't have to get the kills. Harrow needs his own kills and with the dominance of AoE abilities/weapons, you comepete with the squad instead of supporting and I hate that playstyle.
Has Harrow been changed to be less selfish? If not, I don’t think he’s as much a “better” option as he is a side-grade. He ain’t gonna do much on a team that doesn’t let him do all the work.
luckly they got Citrine the augment, now she at least provides that nice crit in a more consistent way
Well you are a bit wrong with ability 3. It coworks with ability one, what means the prism turret attacks everything that has been infested with ability 1, with multible rays.
what is the syandana you use at the start of the video? need :o
Citrine seems to have been made for low mr/new players. Easy to farm, Passive and active healing, an ability to apply all basic status since new players don't have access to all of them, Early game % dmg resistance and a way to buff weapon damage and live the critical dream- Ah damn i was writing this before you said it yourself lmao
I was going to farm citrine but I realize that some of her parts required crystals and since I'm not good at minding them I quit😢
If you use her third and her first the gem targets more than one enemiy at the time
2:57 im from the future, and this ability gets better with the "recrystalize" augment
Max range is all that matters and you have infinite health and energy orbs and 90% DR for everyone. The 1 doesn't require kills like Harrow and can be spammed through walls. That makes her infinitely more mobile than Harrow or the various stuck in one area frames. The 3 is the only non mobile and you can helminth it or just deploy it as you arrive at big mobs.