God's Not Dead: The Rhetoric of Christian Propaganda | Big Joel
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- In this video, I analyze God's Not Dead, a 2014 Christian propaganda film. The movie is incredibly interesting, and I hope you enjoy.
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RIP Steven Hawking. He may not have been Jesus but he sure was cool!
On a mathematical holiday, we mourn for one of mathematics' and science's greatest minds and contributors...
It's kind of ironic that one of mathematics' and science's greatest minds died on a day meant to celebrate math...
Big Joel even if Jesus could use his superpowers to walk on water, it's still arguably less impressive than what Steven Hawking has accomplished.
Well, now he is dead, SH knows the truth. He's probably wishing he hadn't been so arrogant and pointed to the reality of God instead of inferring that man was god. Personally, I was not impressed by his nonsensical rhetoric. :^)
nice bait lul
Imagine being a student and having to drag yourself out of bed for your 8 AM class and having it be this. Just your professor and some annoying guy arguing. Every class.
And if he’s really threatening to fail the student over religious beliefs then the student should just report him to the higher ups
TBH I'd just start bringing popcorn in with me. It'd probably be the most interesting thing to happen, may as well make the best of it.
Ahhhhhh concerning the bit about the Muslim girl wearing the hijab, I have heard plenty of CHRISTIANS say that women shouldn’t wear swimsuits, shorts, and miniskirts and even decry them as “harlots” “sluts” “vixens” “temptresses” and the sort for wearing THOSE things. Now, isn’t THAT basically the SAME THING? Seems rather incongruous and hypocritical, doesn’t it?
I'd hope a few students would chime in to make a point every now and then.
I mean, best case scenario, its an easy grade and a free study period
"God is the only way morality matters"
Every non-Christian Society (Especially the Athiest ones): Bruh
I'd wager that not even most christians believe that
If you think about it what is the point of being morale with no overall purpose in the end whether you were a good person or not
If you don’t believe
@@loganstrawn6366 even if nothing matters in the end what you do still affects people's lives. Emotions, ideas and thoughts are real wether the univerde ends or not
@@thehuman2cs715 to the movies point I never said emotions aren’t real but, if you can rob a bank or swear a person off without giving a hoot. As Christians we live for Christ and the Bible lays out a set of “rules” so we show others we are different. I can’t understand an atheistic perspective because I have been all in since I was born but, I know for a fact that you wouldn’t be able to understand where I am coming from until you read or hear the scriptures.
The fact that this movie features a University Philosophy professor having no retort to "God is the only source of objective morality" is quite staggering
If someone steals from you.
You don't have something anymore that was precious to you. This alone is enough to tell you that stealing isn't a good thing and you shouldn't do it to other people to make them feel as badly as you do.
You don't need an imaginary man sitting on a cloud to tell you not to
@@riffgroove I don't think this movie is intended for people who can make logical connections that far. I think its more for the "Its bad cause I said so" intellectuals of the christian community.
@@wako1576 "Christian intellectual" is an oxymoron.
@@riffgroove The issue is about finding an *objective* basis for morality - one that can judge wrong actions to be wrong regardless of who's doing the judging. If you base morality on emotions (i.e. "feeling bad"), then it's not objective. You can't tell whether someone is feeling bad or just faking it, and you can't always predict when someone is going to feel bad. Not to mention it allows a lot of concerning edge cases (if I steal from a comatose person who can't feel emotion, did I do anything wrong? Or worse yet, if I murder someone, then they can't feel emotions anymore cause they're dead, so is murder wrong?).
@hoodiesticks I stand by my original statement.
If you steal from someone, it doesn't take a rocket-scientist to determine they most likely won't be happy about it.
“ We would never have our women wear face scarves that is demeaning and against women’s rights “
Heads on home
“ Sara why you wearing such short shorts, I don’t care it’s 100 outside God doesn’t want you dressing like a common hussie, while you live in my house you will live under my rules! “
I don’t think that’s because her dads Christian I think that’s because he’s a dad and he doesn’t want her walking around in short shorts
@@godemperortrump6932 Hes just highlighting the hypocrisy
King Kai yeah but it’s a bad example
@@godemperortrump6932 Not really hard to understand
King Kai it’s not unreasonable to not want your daughter walking around in booty shorts
I became an atheist at the age of 9. Mom sent me to my room because I was naughty. I prayed to God to turn me into Godzilla so I could stomp around town and feel better. God didn't do that. Therefore, there is no God. And that makes more sense than God's Not Dead.
logic not found
What point is there in God if he ain't even gonna turn you into a behemoth
@@prozorozo exactly, i want my money back, goddammit
@@yarinoi8662 WHO dammit.
Science dammit
"Without God there's no reason to be moral!" You heard it here folks, empathy isn't real.
Empathy is not the reason for most of our morality.
Cat Suppository The Bible is against slavery but nice try
Cat Suppository they were talking about indentured servants read the KJV Bible
Cat Suppository verse??
Cat Suppository that still says servant
As a religious person myself, I'm so freaking happy that this movie made atheists AND theists mad. This movie sucks and I hate everything it stands for
Well I mean I assume it stands for God... So yeah, you shouldn't hate everything it stands for if you're religious.
@@boombox3819 No, this is demonizing any non-religious AND any religious that isn't Christian, when in reality, I (along with my faith, the Church of Jesus Christ) believe that there's still some value to be found from lots of different religions, Christian or not.
And that there's some great people out there who happen to be atheist/agnostic, if they didn't get the choice/chance to be religious or they were never introduced to it in a positive light, why should I blame them? This movie treats Christianity as much more cult-like than it needs to be. It's also conservative which is big cringe
@@WiloPolis03 it still stands for God, so you shouldn't hate everything it stands for.
@@boombox3819 It's taking something I support and twisting it into an incredibly self-righteous manner that's used dishonestly to push a conservative agenda; I'm not a fan of that.
@@boombox3819 Disliking this movie isn't disliking God. This is the worst portrayal of Christianity that they could have shown--shallow and inept.
Our teacher showed this in class and I remember thinking „is this a joke?“. Especially the discussion afterwards was ridiculous. I criticized the movie and most of the others were like „why can’t you just let people believe what they want to believe?“
The phrase “why can’t you just let people believe what they want” is rather annoying isn’t it? The philosophy of that sentence never seems to apply to the person it’s being spoken to.
They really showed that at a school?
i went to a catholic school and the whole class wanted to watch this other movie (forgot what is was called) but the teacher put on this .-.
ʙʀᴏ ʜᴜɢ it rly do be like that sometimes
Our philosophy teacher once showed us this movie. The funniest thing is, when I asked her if the movie is neutral and doesn't shove any beliefs (be it theistic or atheistic) she said yes. Honestly, the teacher was lowkey biased.
I cringed so hard at the “yOu’Re bEauTiFuL”
Becky has a girl crush
I find it funny how this christian movie has the most gay scene ever lol
"I wish you didn't have to do that"
"I wish you'd get out of my life and shut up!"
Please, it's your. Make it really bad.
I did too.
When I heard that line my response was...
“wHo ThE F*** aRe YoU?!!!”
Do you hate God?
Atheist's answer in real life: There's no such thing as God.
This is how you can tell this movie was made for propaganda.
lacountess i would not argue it that way. I would treat god as a fictional character, and then describe why that character is reprehensible.
Christopher Parks Same. To me it's like someone asking if I hate Santa or Dart Vader. I may hate or like these characters but it doesn't have an impact on them not being real.
Why do you even talk about God if you don't believe in him?
@@markkozin9730 because the people who do believe in him will literally justify his mass execution of children and the continued mistreatment of homosexuals.
Mark, there are lots of things ppl like to talk abt that they don’t think are real. God may not be real, but the Bible is real and very influential. As such, it seems like talking abt the main character of that book might be an important thing to do regardless of your faith.
I’m a Christian and when I was a kid my church went to see this. And the youth pastor ended up apologizing to the parents and students for taking them to see the movie.
Christians Trying Waaaaay Too Hard to Feel Persecuted: The Movie
Patrick Moriarty why don’t they fight for Christians in Egypt then if they care about Christian persecution then
I dont want to bother anyone but many "christians" are not christians. Many altering phrases to make their personal sins ok. This is also fed by strong influences from the Catholics which have altered the word for profit. Many have been tricked because they go along with what people say instead of reading the Holy Bible.
@Duke Xuulu of Palestine hold up there fella. A Christian is someone that reads the bible and gives up there sins. If some one says im a Christians and shoots up steals, boasts, lusts after both people and things, curses profusely, on and on. There are several arguements people make "You can just ask Jesus to forgive you" if you keep doing the thing that you have been shown is wrong you have not truly accepted Jesus.
robert durben Bruh do you stone women?
@@johnnyrocketz7808 "why don't they fight for Christians in Egypt then if they care about Christian persecution then"
They _want_ to believe they're being persecuted, because they've been told they'll be persecuted for their beliefs, and that that proves they're right. Of course, they ignore the fact that people of other religions, and people with no religion, are also persecuted for their beliefs. It also ignores the fact that people fighting back against their attempts to force their beliefs on them is self-defense, not persecution.
Hijabs don't even look like that. It looks like a winter scarf...
I find it interesting that the main character in God’s Not Dead is Teddy ex boyfriend from Good Luck Charlie and I like to think that after Teddy and her family moved away at the end of the series he found god, went to college, and then the plot of this movie happened.
i was looking for this comment!!!
Why is this movie leveraging cancer so much? Cancer is a disease that lots of people and their families deal with. I'm not sure citing cancer as a great reason to belive in a god.
Also the "Duck Dynasty" guy also advocated adult men marrying young teenage girls so maybe not cite him either.
Because when you have cancer and you know the end is near people lose hipe,become depressed and stuff. They start to focus on hope after that
Phil Robertson also talked in graphic detail about how the anus of a man can’t possibly be as desirable and pleasurable as the vagina of a woman in an interview.
Yeah, it's very unfortunate that they have a hyper-focus on human suffering as a reason to believe in a god. In a sense, it's good that they want people to have hope, but this kind of level of modern day zealotry is ironically hopeless for their ideology to connect to more people.
Also if you watch the second movie (don’t do it, save yourself) as soon as she starts believing in god she ends up in remission, and still has all her hair. It’s ridiculous.
Wait wait...
Aren’t adult men technically teenagers?
Great Grandfather (20) dated and married my Great Grandmother (16)?
Even in their own media, evangelists come off as evil sociopaths
"It happened almost instantly, not like Darwin said"
Oh boy you don't know how freaking long a million years is I doubt you can even comprehend a few hundred
4:48 I just noticed how they placed a red exit sign above the professor and a green exit sign above the student. How subtle.
I don’t think a single professor has done this or can legally do this. Sometimes people act like christianity has like 12 followers.
Nothing brings empowerment out more than oppression in their minds, therefore if they can pretend to be oppressed for it they can feel even more proud of being Christian- even if *incredibly* disingenuous
Even as a Christian myself, I really hated how this movie handled the conflict. It pissed me off how the first question they decided to ask was the biggest most obvious one, and the answer they provided wasn’t really an answer at all. I really felt that the only thing this movie inspired was the bliss of ignorance when in reality, what we should be doing is encouraging people to look further and dig deeper.
To paint athiests/other-thiests as bad people is to plant a seed of bias in the heart of Christians. It encourages them to see unbelievers as the enemy when they in fact aren’t. The true enemy should be obvious enough.
I live in Texas. Here, there are not many Athiests who consider Christians 'the Enemy'. It is however, held almost unilaterally among Christians; that Athiests are 'the Enemy'.
Spencer Morgan However, that shouldn't be the case. As a Christian, it goes against our beliefs to regard any people as "the enemy" when the true enemy of Christians is Satan. Anyone who says another person or group of people is the enemy of Christianity is wrong
Spencer Morgan look at the comment section under this video, bunch of edgy atheists hatting on Christians
What's wrong with sharing my hats with people? Spell check would help me take your comment seriously (misspelled 'hating' as 'hatting'). Most importantly, disagreeing with a particular group's views (Christians) is a criticism, not hate. Passing laws which single out a group of people, and ban them from getting married is hate. See the difference?
That's the very definition of reactionism: the core defining feature isn't what you're for, but rather what you're against.
It's always college professors in these movies.
Almost as if the people who made this movie are afraid of higher education.
Or afraid of a high school education.
Our morality comes from a direct line straight to God? A lot of people were burnt at the stake in the name of God.
Good argument.
As well as various genocides committed in the name of god
But see faith is defined selectively in an always changing fashion. Those genocides were not the work of god even if done in his name, christians now can claim people who perpetrated those things were not true christians. While atheists, leftists and muslims are exactly the same as the professor, the journalist and the abusive father :) makes perfect sense when you get to select for everything.
Don't talk as if Christianity is at fault for everything. It's men who use that ideology for their own power. Even atheism has been used by dictators to further their reign, from Mao Ze Dong to Stalin, I can find examples for both Christianity *and* Atheism being used by cruel men for their own gain
TheShermanTanker not trying to assume anything. I would agree with you that being a bad person is not dependent on any major belief (excluding extreme/fringe/cult beliefs and ideologies of course). But for the purpose of this discussion there is a wide diversity (or numbers) of christians shown as good people with no nuance and very few (one each) of the kinds i mentioned above. Hence my comment about selection: singular characters are used to identify with a generalized ideology (atheism/liberals/muslims). While faith (in this instance christianity) is presented through multiple good characters.
Also, pointing out the generalizations that are made by the movie doesnt mean im saying atheists/muslims/liberals haven’t done or will never do bad things. Conversely pointing out the bad things associated with christianity doesnt mean everything about it is bad but just used it as a counterpoint to the movies theme of christianity=always good.
For the most part as far as i know arguments and attacks against christianity (and faith) go from general to specific (ideological belief=specific situation/ the holy lands=crusades) while often attacks against atheism and liberalism go from specific to general (stalin was an atheist= atheism the cause of killing 50-100million people)
All and all even that last thing i said is a generalization in itself based on excuses and arguments i see often.
This movie legitimately pissed me off when i watched it. My Bible class put this on as proof of how to "defend ones faith" but the entire time the points brought up throughout the movie were incredibly shallow and could easily be shot down. No ones a real person, you're either a good and righteous Christian or a evil and shallow non Christian. This movie was probably the major turning points in changing my faith.
It also paints athiest as the enemy to Christianity. I'm an athiest. I think religion is cool, just not for me.
Styles64 Certainly Heavily organized and centralized religion was often hijacked by priests and nobles to create societal controls. HOWEVER, ya know having a semi fictions dude that you can release on, and understanding that specific stories and truths were designed as metaphors and allegories, is chill. Just knowing it’s intellectual limits and forcing it down throats for power plays is well, not chill.
Styles64 No I totally agree, we’ll said
Fascinating maybe, cool, nah. In either case. The character in the movie was never an atheist to begin with. Atheists don't believe God exists, you can't hate something you think doesn't exist. There is a scene where the prof admits he hates god. Therefore, he's not an atheist, he never was.
something can be fascinating and frightening at the same time. Fascinating doesn't mean you find it admirable or good. It just means it's worthy of more study....so that we might better resist its effects.
Athiesm is an enemy 2 Christianity, the devil doesnt want u to believe in god, if u dont beleive in god, why would u try getting into heaven? The devil doesnt want u in heaven.
imagine living a righteous life, then dying and going to heaven and having to spend the rest of eternity living amongst rightwing evangelicals... doesnt sound like a heaven i'd want to go to.
What kind of argument is this 😂
I think that absolute majority of christians believe that you have to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour, so even if you lived a 100% sinless life and stayed atheist you would end in hell...
Also as was explained to me in one catholic FB group the only point of going to heaven is to serve God forever and thats your reward. Personal motivation (like that you don´t want to end in Hell...) is bad too, because you should do it purely for God and not think about yourself, so atheist in heaven is from that view already pointless.
@@tefky7964 this just proves that the idea of heaven is subjective. Growing up in a Christian household heaven was never described this way. It was described as a paradise where there is ever lasting happiness and harmony, where pain and sorrow do not exist, where even lions and deer are friendly and so on and so on.
I bet I could Google what the actual scripture says about heaven and it will probably be a vague but similar description. I had never heard it be described as a place where you go just to serve.
@@agonzalez8924 It has been a while since that communication, so I don´t remember it that well, but I think that it was still about heaven being nice place and all that, but when I asked if an atheist can end in heaven they basically answered that meeting God and serving Him forever is part of reward (and should be main motivation) so wtf would an atheist do in heaven.
It's not even Biblical and Christian when you look at it from an entirely Biblical perspective. As a matter of fact, I say that as a devout Christian myself this film and its sequels are ANTI-Biblical and here's why:
It depicts Christians as the loveable folks who could do no wrong and the non-Christians as the awful lot that is bent on trying to destroy Christianity even though the Bible explicitly and clearly teaches that all, including and ESPECIALLY those calling themselves Christians, have sinned and are sinners. Just read some of the Pauline Epistles. Apostle Paul and other Apostles condemned the contemporary Christians in their letters more than any other religious group. And what God's Not Dead shows and propagates is the exact opposite of that.
My mom sat me down and made me watch this movie with her before I left for college. Needless to say my therapist calls it truama now.
Lol I’m here cause my family just watched it and I need to freshen up on why this movie is terrible so I can hopefully convince them that the movie’s arguments are weak and the depiction of atheists is a strawman and the depiction of Muslims is dishonest and demonizing. I will attempt the impossible.
@@pretzelstick320 God speed warrior
Pretzel Stick good luck. When I tried to explain why this movie is bad to my family they just said “the details don’t matter, it’s just about having your faith tested :-)”
Okay??
my mom sat me down with all the other teens from my church and made us watch this, thank god i blocked out most of the movie lol
I commented elsewhere but me and my friends at my church love this movie, because we love tearing into shitty movies and this is a perfect example of it.
One thing (of many) that’s ironic about God’s Not Dead-a propaganda staple of the anti-LGBTQ Christian Right-is that Michael Tait (the lead singer of the Christian band The Newsboys shown in the film) is a gay man. I’m not outing him-it’s an open secret in Nashville. I don’t know why he stays in Christian music (probably cuz he gets to appear in movies and make tons of money off singing for huge Christian bands), but he does.
I don't often say that I hate things, because hate is a strong word, and I tend to avoid being negative.
But I hate these movies.
> Aisha is a muslim girl which over the course of the story finds Jesus
It was at this moment that I table flipped (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Idk why Christians have this strange belief that Muslims don't also revere Jesus. It's honestly really disheartening how little they know about Islam.
The disrespect
I know why, missiworld. They need Muslims to be the bogeyman. If they knew Muslims revered Jesus as a prophet, who are they going to easily hate? Can't be the Jews, since they need Israel to be around for the apocalypse to start.
The Muslim version of Jesus is very different from the Christian one. So different that it would be easy to mistake them for different characters entirely. Not to mention that, according to Muhammad, Jesus will return on the day of judgment and mock Christians for their belief that he was anything other than a prophet before watching the Christians be cast into Hel. It's easy to see why that would ruffle some feathers.
jesus is mentioned more than muhammad in quran literally
It's crazy to me how argumentatively, this movie is worth about as much as a "soyjak & chad" meme. this is pretty much one of those but with a budget.
The whole God is what gives us morality argument is just dumb. You're telling me if God didn't tell you murder was wrong you'd be down with it? It detracts from having faith in other people to do the right thing
Also, like, there were other religions before Christianity. The ancient Greeks, romans, Egyptians, even the many religions held by natives in North and South America, and many more were still moral without the Christian god, so why is it that suddenly god is the only source of goodness?
Never ever do anything that shakes such a Theists belief. Believe them when they say they would rape and murder if they didn't have God, just quietly move away and avoid making eye contact and hope the monstrous things never ever deconvert.
And if your whole reason to not murder somebody is because of God then..... You have serious problems
I hate how the muslim girl is supposed to be forced into wearing a hijab yet she’s free to wear a short sleeve shirt just shows the lack of understanding and research that goes into these things, they’re more concerned with making anyone who doesn’t believe the things they do seem bad or stupid rather than making a reasonable point
This movie should have been called the strawman's not dead.
a movie is a really long one-way conversation. an intro psychology class would explain why people care about each other
The people that make this shit know that, and make sure to omit any evidence against their arguments, and the people that watch this and take its message seriously probably don’t have the intelligence to pass an intro psych class.
Gods Not Dead: A movie taking place inside a philosophy class, written by someone who has clearly never stepped foot inside of a philosophy class
Yass
@Tron But that's a "No True Scotsman" fallacy. If the creators of this movie believe themselves to be Christian, it's kind of silly to assert that they're not "true Christians". You have to meet people where they are.
@Tron No. Christianity is a belief. It's not mandated by actions. It's a belief, and beliefs have different interpretations. I could say that you're not a true Christian if you don't fast for the whole period of Lent, that doesn't make it true. When it comes to religions, if somebody believes in a certain way, they believe in a certain way, and it's not your place to say what they are and aren't.
@Tron You don't think the evangelical Christians behind this movie have ever set foot inside a church? Really?
It’s basically an attempt at turning the incredibly lame “atheist professor myth”, in which a hilariously stereotypical yet curiously inept atheist professor gets bested by a plucky Christian student, into a whole feature film.
If that seems a of a bit thin and contrived premise, then, yup, it is. And it gets “fleshed out” with a greatest hits of fundamentalist evangelical canards (e.g. atheists being motivated by some form of hedonism or sinfulness, attacks on evolution, the general denunciation of college education as a sinister, atheist indoctrination plot, and various “therefore God” claims that tend to be wholly or mostly non sequiturs etc.).
This includes, as the clips shows, hawking some of the popular works of fundamentalist evangelical apologetics à la Lee Strobel, which are all really aimed at preaching to the choir, i.e. reinforcing fundamentalist evangelical beliefs, rather than (as most of them claim) convincing those who do not already subscribe to them.
You know for a philosophy professor he sure is bad at arguing
Hercules making Christian propaganda. That is flat out outrageous 😈😈😈😈
The Lonely Penguin Movie exaggeration? Nope. WLC has a degree in philosophy and commits many logical fallacies.
You know, I shat my pants
Gotta hit em with that Epicurean Paradox.
It’s almost like he’s a strawman created for this propaganda piece or something
I found it ironic that they included a scene where it shows a child being disowned, kicked out, and abused by a parent for doing something outside their religion when Christian parents have done the same to LGBT children for decades.
@Wystic I mean I know why it wasn't, I was just pointing out how ironic it is they tried to say Christianity is better than other religions by using that example when Christianity is just as guilty of doing it.
if im a father and my son is turns out to be gay/bi, as long as he doesn't turn into that "one they person that shout they literally exist for decades, and have room full of rainbow like it's their savior instead of just plain flag" then i wont disown him. it's my son and idrc if he gay as long as he doesnt turn into that one person
these christian disown their kid like nothing happened as what i see
@@iputapipebombintoyourmailb6210 so..... If they're really into gay pride advocacy, you WILL disown him? Wtf
@@DMO-DMO-DMO i say depend. they can beocme lgbt whatever they want. but if it on extreme case. then idk. disown dont solve it. but i say extreme
@@iputapipebombintoyourmailb6210 So you won't disown him... if he's not too gay? Am I reading this correctly??
that dude just said nazis believed evolution too LOL basically "did you know who drink water? that's right HITLER"
Even if it was true, the consequences of an idea have nothing to do with it's validity.
Hitler did use evolution as justification. But he massively misunderstood it.
@@lost4468yt he didn't. He rejected evolution. He even used the same arguments, that creationists use, like that animals stay within their "kinds" or that the "all powerful creator" made everything and so on. Hitler only used the word evolution as Progress, like when he talked about the evolution of technology.
He didn't believe in evolution.
@@BluePhoenix_ In fact, I recall books on evolutionary theory being on the list of things the Nazis called for burning. Don’t remember where I read it from so take it with a grain of salt.
@@sealogic4552 yes, that's correct, they burned Darwins books
You know those imaginary debates you have in your head during a shower? Someone made that into a movie
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The arguments in my head make way more sense than these movies 😂
well debates in my brain are 1000 times better than this movie
Sadly they made a fourth one
God's Not Dead is a film version of a 'Then everyone clapped' tumblr post.
stunningly accirate.
r/thathappened
You is right...
Kind of like Steven universe but as a cartoon.
I swear, I've seen a chain Facebook message with that EXACT plot.
Can we please point out how insensitive the main character (spensor) is when the professor says, "God took everything away from me" spensor doesn't address it, he doesn't comfort him, he just continues to push forward the narrative that the professor is an inhumane person with no emotions...
yeah because shoving your religion down someones throat is always more important than giving them emotional support
That's what Evangelicals do best...
@@shintopriestesskikyou5674 I hope you're being sarcastic.
(Edited) I realized it was. I must have been tired then.
@@LadyOfTheEdits that was the intention of the comment yeah
Yeah but there are a lot of religious therapy’s were the therapists instead of actually addressing the situation or the mental issues a patient is having they accuse them of sinning or saying it was all of gods will
The real question is why Josh pursuits a law degree at all when he obviously could get a top job as a video graphics editor.
Pixel Guy I was literally thinking the same thing. His PowerPoint game was something to behold.
Yay 500th like!
I would've liked this but it's currently at 666 and I didn't want to ruin that.
IKR! He made such a spectacular PowerPoint presentation in a short time.
Pixel
This movie creates a straw man athiest antagonist, and literally knocks it down with a car.
Subtle.
"Jesus, take the wheel" has a new meaning
The Wicked Witch of the North was the driver. Only she would have a big grudge against a strawman.
Here in Oklahoma the church is a lot of things. The community it's created has a lot of political power and very restrained well thought out marketing tools and content. A book none of the Christians have read is Tolstoy Anarchist Christian manifesto The Kingdom of God is Within Us which is highly subversive of Evangelical Politics that tells me the Leadership is politically oriented and not Jesus oriented.
@Voice of Reason even if we agree that a clump of cells is a human from day one.
That human being has no right to violate the body autonomy of another person against its will same as you cant draw blood from prisoners against their will or remove organs from a dead person against their will
@Under Bridge ugff please tell me about the corelation between ethnicity and cognitive ability since theres no research that has made the claim of a corelation let alone causal link
if my professor told me his 12 year-old trauma was the reason his entire education style is the way it is and the reason for his weird vendetta against my personal life, i would immediately call the dean and beg for a refund on that class
Lol I would've just reported him on the first lesson for how the class was conducted in relation to the given syllabus and the whole idea of an actual philosophy class.
I would've reported him for confronting me after class
I love how this professor teaches _philosophy,_ the class where most people learn to reason and build a well-structured argument, and he supposedly hates God, and he could utterly dismantle literally every one of the kid's main arguments using stuff he probably teaches in his 101 class, but he just... Doesn't. He stalks around the room with his face contorting into a bunch of different stupid expressions like "man, this kid is just absolutely _destroying_ me."
LMFAO
the film maker doesn't do one ounce of research. a couple of college student could even do better. they didn't even research how to wear a hijab. aisha looks like she force her hijab to be a niqab, no one fucking does that. if they wants to picture a muslim with a face veil at least do so decently.
also an philosophy proffersor is smart enough to know that belief isnt built on hatred or dislike, as well, which is his whole thing and the reason why he doesnt believe in god, just because he hates him, that only just shows that he recognises there is a God which is not what an aethiest is at all.
@@blepblep7245 The filmmakers probably didn’t even go to college, considering how much they hate higher education.
@@aconite72 probably home schooled to shield them from the evil illuminati lurking in schools 💀
Most unrealistic thing about this movie is how everyone in this class is paying close attention ALL THE TIME. Like, come on.
Seriously?!? Not one of those fuckers was sleeping or eating that entire class.
Most well-behaved class ever. In my grade, at least one person would've yelled out some snarky, anti-religious thing and trashed josh. As an atheist, kind of hard to believe that every single person there was a christian.
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING
@@saathvikgowda9909 I can see a literal Christian yelling “Shut up losers!” when they spent 80% of the class arguing with each other
@@saathvikgowda9909 really? This is university, not high school. I never once had anyone ever yell out and interrupt in university.
"The same philosophy which inspired nazi Germany, which is evolution"
That logic went from 0 to absolute bonkers quickly.
They seem to like to pretend that "evolution" = "social Darwinism" an idea not even proposed by Darwin and that is not scientific.
You gotta admit he's got a point, after all, there were *_LITERALLY ZERO OTHER FACTORS_* contributing to nazi germany.
Actually the best "argument" from Christians I've ever heard, it's also one of the worst "arguments" I've ever heard in general.
And yet they still believe the same ideology which inspired so many genocides.
the funniest part is its talking about social Darwinism, something that has literally 0 to do with darwin but another dude, who was already saying his shit before darwin anyway, so its technically older than evolution (and ofc the idea itself is as old as humans, i mean just think of royals or slavery)
"look, I won an argument against an atheist I made up"
"Using my car"
Perfect
Oh wow! Let's put it on the fridge!
And everyone clapped.
That's Ravi Zacharias in a nutshell.
Dude really asked his prof. Why he hated God. Bruh I dont believe in Santa but I dont hate Santa tf
Edit: Not trying to make a dumb edit but I wanted to say that now I'm a Buddhist, and I have more respect for Christians than I did 4 years ago. Religion is actually pretty sick. 👍
I love it when Christians call atheists “devil worshippers”. I can’t love or hate or worship anything I don’t believe in. And if I don’t believe in God, what about that statement makes you think I believe any more in Satan?
Lol your profile pic is perfect for this comment
Many Christians believe that atheists are just telling themselves god doesn't exist because they're mad at him. It's dumb as hell, but it's a super common belief
@@maia_gaia ikr. Bruh. I cant even tell my parents I'm athiest because they'll take me to church to "cleanse" me. AGAIN. I pretended that I wasn't athiest anymore after that, and we haven't gone to church since. Thank god lol. XD
@@cocktailonion696 Damn. With that logic, since I dont believe in peanut butter, I worship jelly. Wtf?
I always found that one scene where the Muslim girl is told she is pretty and shouldn't have to wear her hijab cringe inducing. (For reference, I grew up Pentecostal and saw this movie with my youth group.) A lot of Christian denominations advocate purity culture and tell women in the church that they have to dress modestly so as to not tempt men, to avoid falling victim to "worldly desires", to earn God's favor, etc. Demonizing Islamic women for dressing modestly because of their faith is hypocritical.
This.
This.
If there's anything a fundementalist christian and muslim had in common is the order to dress modestly so ... Nani?
Is that part of the strategy of Pure Flix: making movies formatted for youth groups?
@@supercellodude yes, i went to a youth group for the 1st time and they played this movie. Hated the movie
I went to a semi-private christian school purely because it was the closest to home, so we had a weekly class about religion (spoiler: we only talked about christianity), and our teacher, a father who tried to teach us about the immorality of lgbt+ people, suicide, and abortion, put us this film.
So you can imagine a whole class of 15 year olds either sleeping or laughting for an entire hour while he keeps telling us to shut up. Even the christian ones were. It's such a ridiculous movie.
🤣 That actually sounds like a really fun experience lol, what did your teacher do afterwards?
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holly fuck I just realized something! christian schools have "religious learning" but don't teach anything outside christianity
I also went to a catholic school because it was close to home and my parents didn’t speak Italian, so they never knew it was a catholic school. So for like 10 years they all thought that all schools in Italy taught Christianity in school.
So I was basically the only atheist in my whole class room but I had a lot of fun there. In Italy when you go to primary school and do religious class they prepare you for 2 of the 7 sacraments(penance and confirmation). Which usually means reading some bible passages and knowing the true meaning of Easter and Christmas. They also had a lot of extracurricular activities like going to church, but usually as children we just played after mass.
In middle school they prepare you for the holy communion, you don’t need to do it, but if you do it with them you only need to attend 1 year of classes instead of 3 and you can get married in the church. All my classmates did it because they wanted to get a Christian marriage in the future. In high school they basically say fuck you, after the holy communion in the eyes of the church you are an adult that can get married so do anything you want, just remember to never use 2 condoms at once because the friction may break both of them.😂😂😂
During high school we also dropped the pg rating and our religion teacher finally could tell us how Christians were brutally murdered by Romans and showing us different types of executions and famous paintings about them, it was truly a eye opening experience, especially after he told us how powerful the church was during the Middle Ages and how they treated heretics.
Christianity isn’t a movie though. It doesn’t sum up the Gospel.
plot twist: the white girl talking to ayesha was a lesbian and was referring to all her clothes, not just the hijabi
Michelle F i mean...she looked good 🤷🏽♂️
that would be cool if it was true tbh
Spinoff movie where the two get together and get married and live happily ever after
I know it’s a joke but evangelicals don’t believe in gays
Eric Figler “if you like the vag we’ll call you a-“
I don't trust him, he cheated on Teddy on good luck Charlie
😂
THAT'S WHAT HE'S FROM?? I KNEW HE LOOKED FAMILIAR
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
dayum, that is cold 🥶
@@smartiesinmyears5640 whats who from?
"Muslim girl who, throughout the film, finds Jesus"
So... they basically ignore the fact that muslims not only believe in Jesus, but also hold him in extremely high regard, being one of the greater prophets. The only real difference between muslims and christians in this regard is that we muslims don't believe Jesus to be 'son of God', but a prophet.
There are big differences between Jesus in Christianity and the one in Islam.
@@biostephan1685 there is, which I pointed out in my comment. We both, nonetheless, consider Jesus someone holy and great.
@@DuelistKoi93Christians must believe that Jesus is the son of God and he was crucified and his teachings and so on ..... which Muslims don't believe and for that to happen you must find him first through faith. So that Muslim girl who must find Jesus seems completely understandable. It's like the chahada but for Christians.
@@biostephan1685 it doesn't matter. Both ideologies aren't progressive. It's just to provide people a sense of security.
@@canti7951 I'm an atheist, and i know that. I'm also an ex Muslim that's why i had to explain to him the differences.
My sister went to a Christian high school and they had her watch this movie in her Theology class. Now it's a running joke where if one of us is a jerk to the other, we'll say 'You're acting like an Atheist from God's Not Dead.'
I saw this movie in middle school, since I went to a private Christian middle school, and I bet no one there even remembers it. All I remember is making a funny Vanoss reference when the "Le epic atheist gets pwned" moment happens
I actually took philosophy classes in college taught by atheist professors. None were interested in dechristianizing anyone - on the contrary they often defended historical Christian philosophers like Descartes and Leibniz from atheists students who didn't understand those philosophers positions well enough.
@@coriiiiii2558 good point
@@coriiiiii2558 but there are anti theists, which is close enough
@@insert_edgyname8848 anti theists hate organized religion, not imaginary figures
@@patrickwalsh8913 well "imaginary figures" is kinda harsh dude... Like damn
i am a christian and descartes sucks
The portrayal of Aisha is so laughable. Do Christians think...muslim girls don't care about their looks? That no one ever tells them they're beautiful? That moment where the white girl complimented her was so weird for me.
Not to mention that it makes literally 0 sense that Aisha would be covering her face, even though she's wearing a short sleeved shirt and jeans. Like....I can't explain to people of non-muslim backgrounds how baffling of a mistake that is. That would be like an Indian movie portraying an American family wearing neon green spandex to church with no explanation.
Wren K I know! I’m just a white dude but if her dad’s really that traditional then why the hell is she wearing that outfit? Surely that’s a bit more revealing than not wearing a hijab would be.
Right?!?!
White girl says “You’re beautiful”
“OMG?!?!? How fortunate am I to have this wonderful white girl tell me I’m pretty! My life has been completed!”
Movie, you need to talk to more Muslim people. Or at least look at them. I live near a mosque, and my observations are that hijabs go AROUND the face and short sleeves aren't a thing. I think they're amazing, considering they wear jeans and long sleeves even in the summer and I live in a desert....
U can try explaining it to me, a person of non-muslim background. I think i will understand it fine. In fact i do understand it, but just don't have same emotional background do get outraged at this inconsistency.
It reminds me a little of that one PrankInvasion video where he's kissing "muslim" girls who have a hijab but are wearing shorts and a thong, lol
The funniest part about this movie is it’s plot is basically just “everyone deserves kindness, unless they’re not Christian then fuck them”
To be fair, that's the moral compass of most Christians, so it checks out
As Jesus taught
As a former evangelical Christian, I can attest that's what they actually believe, no matter what they say
or ducks I guess
@@shvzvzjshvzhs3160 what if they're christian ducks?
Could you imagine being a regular college student in this class and absolutely hating this kid and the professor? 😂 imagine the reviews you would find on the internet lmao. I would send an email to my dean or advisor like “hey can you please deal with this shit so I can actually get the education that I’m paying out the ass for?”
Ikr lol
Definitely, if I saw this happening in real life I'd go into Karen mode so fast oh my god. LeT ME spEAK tO YoUR MaNAGEr
Get that professor moved to a different class and reprimanded, and get the kid suspended for ruining the learning environment.
I was just imagining the rate my professor review a average student would have "Yeah the class was generally okay but the professor got in a semester long argument with a student on the existence of God. This isn't even a class dealing with religion and they wasted like 5 class sessions on it. Overall I would not recommend."
Not to mention this professor doesn't seem to know anything about Philosophy, I guess he's tenured.
These movies are the arguments Christians have in the shower with themselves with imaginary atheists as the shampoo applauds
its kinda fun how atheists used to do the same thing just 10 or so years ago
@@Crosshill honestly "winning debates with yourself in the shower" is a habit regardless of religion or politics
@@motnurky7055 and cirklejerking is easy cause theres an online community for everything and everyone, and you might even 'win' a debate against a real person if enough people updoot your sicc burns
To be fair, there are truckloads of atheists that tend to attack Christians for no reason. For some reason they like it more than attacking islam and Judaism
@@gem6105 Christianity is more attacked by Atheism from Europe or America than other religions because they know it better. I know a lot of christians, some muslims and probably no jews (as far as I know).
I absolutely love the Strawman "Atheists" in movies like this, their dialogue is always hilarious. There are always certain key words and phrases that Christian writers are irresistibly compelled to stick in non-believers' mouths, like "Atheistic" and "Worldview." Not to mention the fact that they all seemingly think Charles Darwin is the First Atheist Pope (TM), that lost souls devoutly adore like some 19th century apostle.
"and on this book of origin, I build my origin. This decree the flying spaghetti monster!!!
Michael Gipson
The Darwin thing is kind of telling really. They blindly follow and trust in the word of some people from long ago, so they assume atheists do too. It’s projection.
@@Contributron I agree, but I still try to be humorous. It helped us survive as a species for quite a while, and poking a little fun is rather amusing.
I'd probably find it funnier if characters like these didn't make people assume atheists are all traumatized liars who are undergoing an existential adolescent rebellion. But maybe it's just too personal for me to properly mock.
@AIFAHRA HORGGHRO Um...no? First off, if it was, they would be portraying the relatable Christians as teen-like, not the atheists. Second...look, I've seen a lot of these traumatized-liar "Hollywood Atheists," and both they and their not-atheist-but-not-True-Believer counterparts are diverse in presentation. The most straightforward interpretation is that a significant proportion of authors genuinely think atheists are like that. Which is also what plenty of fundies literally say out loud.
Why do they always pretend to be oppressed so bad💀
They are 😅 people still Christian’s in many countries no other country kills any other people of religion
@@missoreofreak
Did you actually research before saying so many straight-up lies?
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 It is hilariously fitting for Aldia to be criticising someone for blindly following a Lord... A Lord of Light, perhaps?
@@AivaskilIsu
A lie will remain a lie.
@@missoreofreak Please seek out a refund on anything you have spent on education and formally apologize to your teachers. I literally cannot piece together what you are saying from that disgrace to the English language you call a sentence.
Yelling "why do you hate god?!" over and over would lose literally any debate in real life, your opponent could pull down his trousers and play wipe out on his buttcheeks and he'd still be more credible
wHy 😖😖 do you HaTe 😫😫 GOD??? 😭😭
That is such a raw line I’m finna steal it
I give you award of best comment.
Ad hominem and non sequitur in one, right?
@@supercellodude straight up trash i would say
One of my favorite interactions was when a professor of mine briefly discussed evolution and a freshman Christian student tried to pull a "gods not dead" and debate him, going so far as to ask the professor why he hated god (like in the movie but more ham fisted).
Little did the student know that the Professor was also a pastor at a nearby baptist church who just so happened to have a Ph.D in Biology and was just making extra money as an adjunct lecturer.
Professor shot Bible verses like a cowboy shoots bullets.
Sam Millwood favorite comment in this comment section 😂😂
They should make a movie of this
I willing go into debt to see that professor to talk to my grandparents. Just to see that, I could die and I would be at peace.
That's what happens when you try to use straw arguments against real people.
o...
A healthy mix of faith and reason
Rearly seen
But great every time
(im hardcore atheist, but i do like this kind of people - who dont mix reality with faith)
The fact that people think empathy is a DLC only accessible through God is disturbing.
And ironically, they don’t have empathy for those that aren’t “chosen” or different in some way, be it sexual orientation or identity, race or especially class. American Christians fucking hate the poor 😭
I’ve never seen it described this way but I love it. Thank you
Some even include love, hope, or even intellect.
It pisses me off because their misunderstanding of nonbelievers can be so great, that we might as well not have a debate at all at that point.
The character in the movie who’s family was Muslim and she was a “closeted Christian” I guess. When her family found out and disowned her she had nothing and turned to other Christians for support. While I was watching that play out, I couldn’t help but see the irony when something like that happens to an lgbtq child in a strictly religious family, especially Christianity. It was a bit hipocritic in a since that they preach to believing in your religion regardless of what everyone else thinks. Yet there are still religious people out there who completely disown others who do something against the religion even if it’s something they can’t control. I just thought that was a bit interesting.
It becomes more ironic if you see that "you are beautiful, i wish you didn't have to do that" scene lol.
Christians are hypocritical? Shocking lol
@@juliavargas13 aren't most Muslim women cool with the Hijab though?
@@quasar7951 Far was I know they are. The most complains about the Hijab are in Iran and other countrys when it is compulsory and even non-muslim women have to use it.
@@juliavargas13 yeah
“Without God, there’s no reason to be moral.” Buddy, people have all sorts of gods, but they still lack morality.
@Mitchell Fanning Exactly. And the flipside, too: there are great people out there who aren’t religious.
@@TerranPersoid725 And where do they get their morals then?
~99% of U.S. prisoners are religious...
@@nathanielyee9203 emphaty
@@nathanielyee9203 humans can understand emotions and will figure out what is right and wrong bacause they care about each other. You don't need to be part of a religion to be a good person.
Point is, you shouldn't need religion to be a good person, and if you do, you're not a good person.
"[the movie] treats science as a religion" - this is the problem with a lot of Christian evangelizing, in my opinion, as a Christian. A lot of evangelical Christians, especially particularly devout ones, are only able to understand science as a religion. It's frustrating to watch, because it's such a fundamental misunderstanding of a hugely important thing...
I normally avoid the tin foil hat, but that is actually quite deliberate and it’s got a more sinister purpose than you realize. They are trying to blur the lines, in terms of legal definition of religion. If they can eventually persuade a federal judge to declare the teaching of science to be a religion, then they can get the prohibition of prayer in public schools or the prohibition on teaching creationism struck down.
@@dkupke This could be deliberate on the part of a small group, but I highly doubt it's the way the average evangelical thinks. That being said, I also generally prefer to presume incompetence over malice.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS
You can be Christian and follow science but you can’t be Christian and also a Muslim for example
@@jamesofnoaffiliation You underestimate Evangelicalism
The funniest moment for me in this movie is when the Chinese student was talking to his parent. He's speaking in Cantonese while the father is speaking Mandarin.
It's like you're speaking English and your son's speaking Italian.🤣
Holy shit that's hysterical. Like, I can only assume the director just said "say this in chinese" to both actors.
I actually do this sometimes with my parents. My mom speaks mandarin while my dad speaks cantonese, so sometimes I start talking to one of them and forget to switch, which results in me speaking one language and them speaking another, though I usually switch after a sentence or two.
@@henrywong7607 yeah, that might happen, but let's be honest that's probably not what the writers of the movie intended lol
@@henrywong7607 i somehow doubt they were thinking about it like this
@@muggerpugger3231 @Émile I know, just wanted to share a cool story
Girl to other girl with Hijab: I wish you didn’t have to wear that.
Girl with Hijab: I wish you didn’t have to wear that stupid headband Karen but here we are.
Jesus Hijab girl, i thought Islam was a religion of peace!
@@thehermit8618 me too, but with that absolute murder? im not sure!
The funny part is, I thought her calling the Arab girl beautiful gave off some big gay vibes.
Karen could wear a hijab too
@T'ai Chi for Arthritis - Rebecca they're just big hypocrites. not just Christians, almost all religious people in general
I was dying when the professor is dying at the end and no one decides to help him but instead the students tell him to accept Jesus before he goes and that it's not to late 😂
That's seriously how it ends?? They want to depict Christians as good people but end the movie with weird cult bs? Sounds like some Children of the Corn shit 😂
@@nightlizard8595 Children of the Corn is what I was thinking of this entire video!! Haha
@@nightlizard8595 it ends that way to show that it's never too late to accept Jesus into your heart. I've been changed by the Lord's grace and I can tell you first hand that he's helped me get over a life of depression and drugs. God was there when no one else was. All you have to do is truly look for him and he will reveal himself to you.
@@christianfudge3506 you're only proving my point that this is some creepy occultist Children of the Corn shit
@@christianfudge3506 Not better.
I love how they portray this atheist professor as a villain that seeks to destroy Christianity. Which is how most Christians view atheist in the real world
We should pray for them
Marcel Zachary to whom? Christians?
I mean, isn’t that what the modern world is trying to do?
Captainpep No not really, their is no large movement to destroy Christianity, maybe there a few people who actively seek to destroy religion. That’s not a majority, what’s really happening is more people are questioning the Bible and Christians who identify themselves very closely take this as an attack. Christians aren’t being persecuted, at least in the western world.
Swolsuke the way I see it, it feels that the modern world itself is trying to push Christianity away from everything and that if you are a Christian then you’re a homophobe, sexist, etc
I want the Monty Python crew to make a spoof called "God's not quite dead, he's getting better!"
Im dying help
Or maybe, "God's Only Mostly Dead", starring Billy Crystal.
@wute aevere you have no taste
Haha yeah only the parrot is really dead lol
@@66fiveandahalf
He’s not dead he’s just sleeping
Meanwhile when my philosophy class talked about religion the professor was respectful and neutral towards all religions. There were Muslims and Christians in the class who were allowed to speak to their own experiences without preaching or trying to prove their beliefs are more valid than anyone else's. It was a surprisingly non-toxic environment and a good learning experience. Christians spend so much time hating and vilifying the Islamic religion without even realizing how much they have in common.
Like... it takes a special brand of tone deaf for Christians to make this movie portraying a Muslim family as controlling and intolerant of different beliefs. Look in a mirror lately?
Exactly. This movie wasn’t realistic. And it villainized unbelievers…which actually backfires on the goal of reaching them for Christ.
@@KingdomStoryFilms don’t get it twisted, the goal of this film was never to convert people. It was only to make Christians feel good about themselves for an hour and a half.
We are not the same, as a middle eastern who's also Muslim I had to laugh?! like wtf is this?! the dress isn't even correct.
@@tutu3909?? We Muslims have many things in common with Christians
i dont know what Christians youve been meeting but i havent persecuted anyone for their religion, neither has anyone in a 1000 mile radius from me
I like how they think atheists believe God died and not that he just wasn’t there ever.
To be fair, 'God is dead' is a metaphor from a pretty famous Nietzsche quote. Considering the Prof. teaches philosophy, I'm fairly sure having him swear by it is intentional
I believe in a beginning scene, the professor does point this out, saying "God is dead" is a false statement, as God never existed. When he was requiring them all to write it over and over again, starting the whole plot because the main character didn't. Fun fact, he gave bonus points for someone who wrote"god is dead" instead, using a lowercase for God
@@EvelynFTTE This is so cartoon-ish.
One of the most misunderstood quotes . Most think Nietzche wrote in celebratory tone but it wasn't at all it was a lamantation.
That’s like saying I had a son named Jeff and Jeff died recently even though I’m a virgin and never even had sex
It says a lot about American Christians that they can’t imagine being kind and caring for others if God didn’t make them
There’s Christians that hate this movie in the comments they all don’t think like this
@@thatsalotofdamage8568 yes but only American Christian's deny science except nazis
You guys forget that wesbero Baptist church still exist.
You know
THAT church
@@lop1991 there's also a christian dude arguing for a year in the comments by contradicting himself but also going "you're incorrect" to everyone lmao
yes because you wouldnt exist to be kind and caring if god didnt make you
The main protagonist looks like a low budget josh hutcherson
Apparently, the main protagonist was the real life boyfriend of Bridget Midler of “Good Luck, Charlie.” He also played the role of the boyfriend in that show as well.
Haha that’s a pretty spot on description
I was trying to remember who he reminded me of, that's exactly it
Trapped on a Ethics class with Josh Hutcherson
@ LMAOOO true
The legal cases in the credits that "Inspired" God's Not Dead are really interesting and telling - two of them are cases of Christian counsellors who wanted to somehow discriminate against LGBT patients and sued for their right to do so. Some are about funding for student religious organisations. One is seemingly basically the plot of God's Not Dead but more interesting - Lopez v Candaele is about a student who used their speech class to preach about God, and was interrupted and reprimanded by their teacher. He then for some reason sued the university because he claimed their sexual harassment policy violates free speech.
JESUS, this is worst than i thought
That last guy deserves to be on a watchlist
@@justaghostinthesealiterally. Honestly could’ve gone either way with the speech class one, that would actually be an interesting discussion. But the second part?! Like what 😀
They're not even using arguments and questions atheists actually _use._
If they did they would be straw manning the situation to where it would be unwatchable.
Maybe because they could never debunk real arguments :)
@@riotgrrrl8807 lmao headass
Cryptid Fan Good argument.
derpy clause Yes, but the point is, if you can't defend your beliefs against real arguments, you shouldn't hold them.
When Nietzsche stated "God is dead" he didn't mean "God does not exist, he is 'dead'" because that would be a meaningless statement for an atheist to make. What he actually meant was "Human beings have progressed past the NEED for an external figure of worship, when we can find self-actualisation within" which is a much more interesting and nuanced argument than perma-offended, pearl-clutching evangelicals like to give him credit for.
Whether or not you agree with his point, it's far, far more complex than "Duhhh God's not real 'cause I say so."
hotelmario510 Yeah i think anyone but a baby or a braindead holy roller would get the connotation
Wonderful, wonderful point!
My favorite response that misses the point of Nietzsche is the pithy response I read on the back of an apologetics book:
"God is dead"
- Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead"
- God
Just... Wow, so petty.
@@olefredrikskjegstad5972 Not petty, just your misunderstanding of the meaning of their counterpoint.
@@LeRoyBoxley434 Hardly. The actual book wasn't anything more substantial than your usual apologetics fare. It didn't have anything new to bring to the table than the standard stuff. Not a creationist or fundamentalist work, in fairness, but being above the level of someone like Ken Hamm or Kent Hovind isn't something to aspire to.
I love how the girl who is " forced to wear a hijab" by her dad is still showing her arms. I get many hijabis might want to show their arms, but this movie is trying to paint muslim fathers as controlling people who force their daughters to conform to islam, and they couldn't even get that right. Not to mention the hijab is more like a hybrid between a shayla and a niqab. It's so inaccurate it's funny.
I have been friends with some Muslims and some Muslims do act like this and some don’t but I will say the majority leans to them doing this 😅
Did literally no one in this film even look at a single picture of a hijabi and see how we actually cover our heads
Like... the short sleeves?? The LAUGHABLE attempt at a niqab look? have mercy
@@nkozi they literally heard about headcoverings and made it up. No research
Nkozi Cole they also forget that many Muslim women choose to wear a hijab and it isn’t forced on them, but that would require a degree of truth which they simply can’t live with
Kai Flood wrong, everyone knows that all Muslim women are FORCED to wear a hijab. This movie accurately depicts all Muslims and their beliefs.
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15:20 That's not how Islamic modesty code works. I'm not speaking ethically, just from factual perspective. No pious Muslim father is going to force his daughter to cover her hair and face while allowing her to wear jeans and short-sleeved blouses. It starts with form-concealing clothing for the arms, legs, and chest. Some people stop there. I have friends and peers who are pretty religious and dress like that without veiling. Then if someone decides that's not modest enough, they had the headscarf. From there, you go for a chador (a cloak that covers the hair, shoulders, and chest, and maybe the lower body too). And finally, there's the face-concealing niqab (the one that covers the whole body and leaves only a slit for the eyes).
The movie instead has her cut out the highest level modest garment, stick it on her face, and leave everything else like a Christian/non-hijabi Muslim girl. If this seems besides the point, I just wrote it because it supports your point that the movie uses Islam as a prop with no actual attention or curiosity in how Muslims actually live.
While I agree with your larger point about Islam as a prop, I do want to correct your assertion that "No pious Muslim father is going to force his daughter to cover her hair and face while allowing her to wear jeans and short-sleeved blouses."
When I was in college, I saw this ALL the time. At least 50 girls I passed in the hallway were sporting that garb. I was even good friends with a girl that wore tight jeans/blouses and covered her hair. She told me that her dad would have been very angry/disappointed if she didn't cover, but when she stopped he never beat her, it just kinda strained their relationship. I also go to a YMCA in a heavily populated muslim area so I see little girls wearing basically normal american style clothes and head scarfs.
Joe- I mean, Muslim or not, they're girls in college. About the same time the Christian girls realize that "not causing a brother to stumble" doesn't necessarily mean bulky sweaters 24/7, I'm sure many Muslim girls figure out that no one is calling them a slut because they can see her elbows.
I'm pretty sure it varies between countries. When France was trying to "free" Algerians from their religion many used only face-concealing. Partially because it could be quickly hidden from the police, but it retained the intended religious value.
You can see pictures of women in jeans with the chador or niqab in pictures from Iran during the 70's too.
Joe Kanter i think the point isnt that muslim girls dont wear jeans, but that a strict muslim father who forces her to wear hijab would definitely object to it. Why force her to wear the headscarf, then be fine with her wearing short sleeves and skinny jeans?
The thing with Iran thought is that before the US put a dictator in charge and fucked up the country, they were considered one of the most liberal states in the middle east, so having jeans on in the 70s wasn't really a big issue for them. They were on the path of becoming a 1st world nation before we screwed everything up.
Pretty easy to win an argument when you write both sides.
Tell that to Plato lol
Seriously, the professors character comes across as though some teenager who was homeschooled by fundamentalists was trying to imagine what a “Godless intellectual” is like, without actually having been to college.
Godless intellectuals along with Muslims. I'm embarrassed for the writers and their levels of unfamiliarity with the subjects.
moar schtuff , that was funny.
I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what happened
When the protagonist presented these arguments for the existence of God I just kept imagining Dawkins' reaction to this. He would snort himself into oblivion and then rant about all the logical fallacies that he spotted. Plus scientific and biblical inconsistencies. He would probably be done in a week.
Ikr--the class isn't even a serious philosophy class, and the professor would probably be fired or suspended on ethical grounds for his antics in real life.
Can we talk about how she has short sleeves with a hijab on
No.
Some people don’t really care. I didn’t until I just stopped wearing it.
@@acreativeusername9782 huh...some people just wear long sleeves no hijab then. Were you forced?
isnt the point of a hijab to just cover the hair
@@zapsoda4984 yeah but the point is to be modest. What's the point of covering your hair to be modest if I can see your cleavage. Same difference
The problem with "bad things happen because of free will" is that it presupposes that all suffering is a result of human actions, which is blatantly untrue
Damn, I really shouldn't have voted for that hurricane that flooded my house, real bad idea in hindsight
Yeah, that's not true at all. Bad things can happen because of free will, but that's because free will inherently grants us the ability to do anything good or bad. Not all bad things happen because of free will. For example, you're capable of murdering someone because of free will, but a hurricane killing someone isn't caused by free will.😊
@@samt3412 I know it's considered a pretty basic criticism of religion but I honestly haven't heard a good response to the problem of evil
@@nickchambers3935 speaking as a Christian, I view it as God granting us free will. As for why He did that, I think it's because love is a choice, and therefore God wanted us to be able to make choices. However, the granting of free will also granted us a capacity for malice, and therefore evil.
@@samt3412 Sure. But there is the problem of non human evil (Hurricane). Also, what is free will?
I also like how this universe takes place in an alternate reality where Christian rock is the biggest thing on the goddamn planet.
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Well, actually, certain acts (such as Newsboys) really do fill stadiums. I know it seems weird not being in that scene; you're really not even aware of it's existence from anything mainstream. But I came from that world and I've been to those concerts...they really are that big, believe it or not.
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Damn. I mean there _are_ furrie conventions. I shouldn't be surprized this exists
@@xSmittyxCorex true. Where I live a local Christian Death Metal show sold out a venue.
Lots of people like the music for the sound more than the lyrics.
Personally, I'm more a lyric guy. But fuck with their guitar riffs weren't damn good live.
In their ideal world all other forms of rock are banned.
The white girl telling the Muslim girl she’s beautiful was pretty sugar gay if ur asking me
That's what I thought too.
This comment kinda implies Muslim is a race XD
Stellar Aevum well i knew the white girl was white but i have no idea what race the muslim girl is idk its the easiest way to identify them from the video
@Ruben Colon Uh yeah I have. Alot actually Depends if you mean "white" as in the skin, lots of arabs are white or you meant "white" as in European uh yeah. Ever heard of Bosnia? European country. 51% Muslim. Not from immigrants.
@@rollinthunder1000 Albanians and Bosnians
Movie: "her dad hits her and disowns her when he finds out she's christian"
Me: *looks at the homeless rates of LGBT+ people, who are often kicked out of their homes by their christian parents* ..... u m
Movie: "Her dad forces her to wear a hijab for their god"
Me: .... *looks at apostolics and women forced into modesty/purity culture by their churches and religious schools* U M - - -
I understand the point that you're trying to make but religions aren't monoliths. Not all Muslims are intolerant of other religions or deny women rights. But at the same time not all Christians are intolerant of the gay community or force purity culture on their daughters. Try to be aware that individuals and smaller communities exist within religions that believe different things and just because someone's Christian doesn't mean they're somehow responsible for a subset of their community that is intolerant.
@@harrygarris6921 I am aware. Because I'm a Christian myself lol. Just because not everyone in a group is a certain way doesn't mean we shouldn't acknowledge those issues. If we as Christians want to make a change, we have to be self aware and talk about these things.
@@sophisticatedPJs I wasn't aware that you were criticizing the church from within, my bad. I do agree with you that is an important thing to do to some extent.
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As an atheist im sooo glad to see actual beliver beeing critical of the church organization, and practices
soo
good on you my friend
You are one of the *sane* belivers
Yep👏
In his first argument, he also got the science completely wrong. The big bang was not an explosion of light. The big bang was not an explosion of... anything. Because the big bang was not an explosion. There was not an outward release of energy but, instead, a rapid expansion of the very spacetime "fabric" of the universe that the energy was already inhabiting.
Even if you want to call it "functionally" an explosion - the next thing gotten wrong is that the big bang started about 370,000 years *before* photons had enough of a free path for the universe to become "transparent" and light (as we see it) could happen. Before then it was all super-dense plasma that couldn't emit any light because there were too many free charged particles everywhere scattering the photons.
Finally, no physicist believes that the universe was created out of nothing when the big bang happened. In fact, for the big bang to even happen, the energy of the universe had to have *already been there* in a singularity. As for where *that* energy came from... gotta go with a big ol' "?" because we have no way of learning anything about any events before just after the big bang started. That energy could be eternal or created or something else we can't even imagine yet.
Oh, it gets even worse than that... I am surprised that Joel didn't hone in on it, but regardless, his relation of the Big Bang Theory is so easily attacked from a learned Atheist's point of view AND an indication of how the kind of Christians behind this couldn't even throw a Catholic a bone; the Belgian cosmologist he referenced, Georges Lemaître, who started the whole BBT a'rolling, was a Catholic priest, so it's hardly revelatory that he believed it representative of God's existence.
Plus, I doubt Lemaître would have agreed with his wording of it, or even referenced Genesis as anything other than analogous or metaphor.
Ok bill nye
This really is just pragerU the movie
God, no.
PragerU videos look like actual university courses compared to this...
@@E4439Qv5 they look like it. but they sound about the same. arguing from emotion and theoreticals rather than any actual reasoning
Evidently you’ve never watched a PragerU video but hey you can keep being misinformed
RadioTSM {Operator Teddy Timis} not surprised leftists have a deep hate of truth
@@trekrl2327 what truth are you referring to?
I feel like the movie uses Christianity as a baseline, and as something everyone is born as. All the Christian characters are normal people, the atheists want to be Christian and are just atheist for some reason that broke their Christianity, and the Muslim chick wants to be Christian but her dad is forcing her to go against her instincts. By putting Christianity in characters in a natural, inborn way, the movie subliminally tells its audience that god is everywhere and you would only refuse him, i.e. the inborn truth, if you had something happen to you that makes you wrong.
That’s a very interesting take-I’ll have to think on that.
That’s a pretty cool take
Let's be honest, that was not a stylistic chouce. It happend purely because the creators of the movie are to stupid to see the world any other way.
This movie reminds me a lot of bad harem animes where everyone likes the edgy main character for no apparent reason.
This is literally how a lot of them think; they use having a conscience as justification for innately believing in God and that version of morality, and if you don't agree you must be doing bad things to get rid of that inner feeling. I completely agree that this movie uses Christianity as a baseline. In my experience (aka my dad forcing me to watch this movie and its sequel) the goal is more to radicalize a Christian audience than it is to actually prove anything about the validity of the religion, which is why Christianity is undefined except in regards to other factors.
I think this is also how more extreme or regular Muslims think
God said "Let there be light", which in Latin is "Fiat lux". Yet the Genesis is made by Hyundai, NOT Fiat. Explain that, and whatever you come up with won't make any less sense than this movie's nonsense strawman atheist.
The universe is actually a 2008 Dodge Grand Caravan used $2k please buy it my mom wont buy me a new car until this one is gone
Honestly I’d take either
The bible was written in Greek, not latin. Therefore the big bang is actually referring to Trojan Condoms.
@@L0LWTF1337 And the Trojan Man is their freaking prophet
"With no god there's no real reason to be moral"
Remember that time god said that it's fine to have slaves and that it's fine to beat the shit out of the slaves and if they die this is not even a bad thing? Yeah, we definetly need god to be moral...
Remember that literally *other* cultures with their own sets of moralities exist before, during, and after the death of Yeshua...
If God can't convince people to be good to each other without the threat of eternal punishment, then he's not much of a leader.
Demanding obedience and worship or else he'll get the belt is the tactic of an abusive parent, rather than one of a benevolent creator.
That was the God of the old testament, after Jesus came then God changed his ways and got better with the whole morality thing.
@@erockbrox8484 The new testament ain't any better buddy. Jesus literally had a temper tantrum over people doing trades
Oh , oh , remember when God said it was fine to fight nine wars against muslims , and whatever war crime commited was fine because it was a "holy war" ?
When I saw that this movie was criticizing Islam for being oppressive and unwilling to let their followers indulge in free will, I was reminded of that Spiderman meme with the two identical Spidermen pointing at each other in accusation.
Nabzarella Dare haha totally. Both of these ‘spidermans’ are awful in actuality. Religion kills.
+Nabzarella Dare ? More like Dabzarella Dare. Cause you stuntin on them
Ok but christians don't behead you for challenging doctrine lol
christians will readily engage their opposition as well
*A vbad anon acount* Way to confuse Islam in general, with Islamic extremists.
*Nabzarella Dare* I had a whole comment typed out but it didn't send so i'll just link you this and you can draw your own conclusions
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#/media/File:Map_of_countries_with_death_penalty_for_atheists.svg
Gotta love how he says "evil exists because god allows free will" without mentioning that god will also damn your soul to hell for all eternity even if you do stuff that wouldn't be considered evil with that exact same free will.
Also, if God is all-powerful, then why couldn’t he let us have perfect free will while also being free of evil and suffering? Surely he would have been capable of doing that, right?
@@elfin2865 The short version is that the classical definition of omnipotence excludes logical impossibilities, although my longer refutation of Epicurus includes things like compatibilism and the movie Minority Report
@@justineberlein5916 So, the classical definition of omnipotence isn’t actually omnipotence as we’d define it, then? Because an entity who can do anything except for logical impossibilities isn’t omnipotent, so far as I would use the term, because they have a limitation.
@@elfin2865 So... keep in mind as I attempt to explain things that this is very much a simplification. Like the philosophical concepts involved are the sort that I wouldn't be at all surprised if people have written entire essays about. Also, I'm going to try to use English terms, although I'll occasionally use Latin where English translations would obscure connections.
The main two concepts involved here are actuality and potentiality. Essentially, actuality is the state of a thing actually existing or happening, while potentiality is the potential for a thing to exist or happen. (Latin literally 'to move") The potentia, then, of omnipotentia is the ability to actualize something and "convert" potentiality into actuality. However, logical impossibilities lack even potentiality. For example, three-sided squares don't just not exist, but *can't* exist. Thus, omnipotentia needn't include the potentia to actualize such a thing, because they can't exist.
So basically, omnipotence is classically understood as the ability to make anything that can exist exist, but not to make things that can't exist be able to exist. And at least in my opinion, it makes a lot more sense when you mention things like three-sided squares, which are, by the definition of "square", impossible. They just aren't as interesting, because it doesn't stumble into the debate about compatibilism that becomes involved when you start discussing things like whether it'd be possible for an omnipotent being to create a universe with both predestination and free will.
@@justineberlein5916 tl;dr, logic is a more powerful force in the universe than God. Interesting.