Unironically, the line "I'm a black preacher in the deep south, I could build you a church with all the bricks thrown through my window" goes hard. Like that's a great line, kudos to whoever wrote it.
@@ladyjellyfish4757it reminds me of the one philosophical line from Steve Buscemi's character in Spy Kids 2. Its always possible find good lines and scenes in bad movies.
Who is going around throwing bricks through the windows of black churches like it's a thing that black people just go through? I don't think that's like a glaring modern issue...I mean I know it has in the past but I feel like that kind of perpetuates a strange stereotype like black people are just constantly dodging bricks.
they forget the most important part of it. the quote isn't "god is dead", the quote is god is dead and we have killed him. This implies that we were the ones to create god in the first place. We made him up in our minds but now we have killed him. The quote is about lying to yourself about the truth of the world WHICH IS WHAT THIS ENTIRE SERIES DOES. it's honestly mindnumbingly ignorant.
Whoa whoa, don't bring the nitche into this, thoughts are bigger than big Joel, like he's big, but nitzbtah, was genuinely trying to reconcile living. So don't open the door, we only need one liver anyway, so find a Russian writer
Sam G you know I thought you were joking and then I found out it was true ;-; (I’m guessing Jojo is now implying that Jesus died or some other saint because I’m pretty sure they didn’t clarify)
It's a pretty bad sign when your christian propaganda is so bad at being christian propaganda that it's interpreted as being a critique of christian propaganda. It's like being interpreted as self-parody but without the humour.
It could be self-parody by intention as either an attempt to correct the weird us v. them mentality of the first two films or to try and discredit the movie by someone on the inside who doesn’t like these movies but has to make them.
I don't know man, I was shockingly impressed by this movie. There wasn't a clear cut borderline-Satanic villain, there was some real nuance in the writing, a far more accurate depiction of atheists in the lead dude's brother. I appreciated how the black preacher reamed out David A.R. White victim mentality, and how the film conceded that the kid who burned the church down had a legitimate reason to hate religion. Sure, it fell into some stereotypical molds and subliminal messaging, but it felt like a truly mature development.
As an atheist college student who goes to a state university, nobody hates the churches around campus. In fact, I like them, because they give us free food and Pokestops.
An as a Christian not all Christ think atheist or other religion ppl are evil An crazy we are all human An there crazy ppl in all groups also good loving ppl . I wish Christian movies will go away An stop we being oppressed crap
They didn't read half of a tumblr post, they saw a youtube video about a guy talking about half of a tumblr post and pretending it's a real big controversy.
God's Not Dead 1: The Phantom Secularist God's Not Dead 2: Attack of the Red Coffee Cup God's Not Dead 3: Revenge of the Atheist God's Not Dead 4: A New Pope God's Not Dead 5: The ACLU Strikes Back God's Not Dead 6: Return of the Evangelicals God's Not Dead 7: Our God Awakens God's Not Dead 8: The Last Christian God's Not Dead 9: The rise of Christ Rouge One: A protestants story
"Brother, who do you think you're talking to? I'm a black preacher in the South! I could build you a church with all the bricks thrown through my windows!" Was that... a genuinely good line... putting down a CHRISTIAN in a GOD'S NOT DEAD movie?! This is _fascinating._
It really is. And it's not unique either. Dave's brother, who used to be Christian but is not now, gets a number of actually good putting down Christians lines. It's pretty great.
This is another reason why i cant align with “christianity” as preached by white people. My ancestors werent even allowed to read the bible, and were enslaved by “christians” who used said book to reinforce their belief of oppression toward another ethnicity. If jesus died for their sins, then he picked a side before i was born. If he died for my sins, then who was helping the slavemasters? And truthfully, i dont wanna be in a heaven that has so many people i detested here on earth
kalstonii For me, it was the overt sexism in both the Old and New Testaments. Where women were forced to marry their rapists or that women were better off to remain silent. I am not even a woman and I feel that these things demoralizes the worth of women. It just astounds me that I know many Christian women that are actively against contraceptives and abortions because they think it is sinful. It saddens me.
I love how they killed the comic relief preacher friend at the beginning of the movie to solidify how edgy it was going to be this is the epitome of god's not dead movies
You're missing the whole point. The "God's Not Dead" trilogy is in fact the most ambitious work of speculative fiction in film history, set in an alternate universe where all of this makes perfect sense.
I don't even know what to take away from this statement. On one hand it would be one hilarious jab at the credibility of Christianity in modern America, on the other, that would be meta as fuck.
The scene where the blond girl tells Aisha "you're beautiful", when taken out of context, looks like a she's hitting on her. I don't think that's what Pure Flicks meant, but then again I don't recall them explicitly denying it soo ...
@@davidking4838 Some of them legitimately tout him as the second coming/chosen one of christ. I've never seen a more legitimate candidate for the biblical false prophet/antichrist in my life
That argument lacks any substance. You can't say Evangelicals have everything simply because Trump is president for the same reason you can't say black people did when Obama was. There is a lot more to both of these stories than just looking at the president. I look forward to people missing my point entirely and talking about race and religion because they have terrible reading comprehension and didn't realize that is not what I'm talking about. Key words "lacks any substance"
I was actually told that by a preacher at a church that I visited; that it was OK to question as long as it led me back to God. And of course he didn't mean "back to God," he meant "back to our trademarked idea of what God is."
Literally Gods Not Dead is the reason why my mom thinks the government is strictly against christians even though 1) my school has an interfaith and christian club 2) anthem literally says "one nation. Under god" 3) America was built by Christians for Christians for a while being anything else was unacceptable yet these movies that had out of context court case examples that had way more depth than just "people hate christians" convinced her that the government hates and wants to suppress christians. Propoganda at it's finest.
Cute Sushi Actually all the religious stuff is new (relatively). The law requiring “In God We Trust” be on all US currency and the rewording of “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance both happened during the Cold War (‘56 and ‘54, respectively). Basically framing the US as a country of good, moral Christians versus the immoral, filthy commie atheists (ie propaganda appealing to the majority of Americans’ own personal prejudices regarding religion).
Let’s not forget that many of our founding fathers were deists. These were Enlightenment era men highly skeptical of organized religion and they made their feelings clear in our founding documents. To claim that “America was built by Christians for Christians” is to concede ground with no historical basis for doing so.
Nailed it. They have their platitudes that say “it’s a relationship, not a religion.” In reality, it’s entirely a religion, because it’s all about having certain beliefs and following certain rules. They’re just kidding themselves.
@@melodyrichardson5051 I mean also if in a relationship the other partner has total and utter power over you and you're never allowed to leave the relationship then that's abusive so I don't think they're doing themselves any favors.
@@melodyrichardson5051 I hate it when an Evangelical tells me they are not religious but have a relationship to Jesus. I don't understand why someone convinces themselves of their own lies and tell them to others.
"Jesus" is the anglicized form of the latinized form of "Yeshua," from which we also get "Joshua." "Christ" means "anointed," i.e. "rubbed with oil for ceremonial purposes." Thus, one could translate "Jesus Christ" as "Oily Josh." Thus concludes the sum total of my contribution to any sort of discourse on the subject of not only Christianity but religion in general. Thank you and goodnight.
The third movie is basically like ''liberulz have become so powerful that they started recruiting people who aren't mustache twirling sociopaths and they made 'murica incompatible with our beliefs. Woe is us. Let's go build our own niche community.''
The Phantom Safety Pin Except opposite that. They saw the prejudice of society at that time and wanted nothing to do with it. His teachings (at his first church, anyway) were actually really good. Unfortunately, he wasn’t a good man. He was manipulative as hell and liked the power he wielded as a pastor too much. He also suffered from paranoia (a result of a drug problem, can’t remember what he was abusing but I think paranoia is a common result iirc). That blew my mind when I learned that. Just because someone preaches against racism, doesn’t mean they aren’t a manipulative cult leader.
@@gingergamergirl98 weirdly enough it's not uncommon for cult leaders to preach against racism. They take that hate and direct it towards "worldly" people. It serves to welcome in marginalized people, giving them a support group, and isolates the members from greater society. [Source: TellTale Atheist]
Not really. The third movie, to me at least, appears to be more critical of its own audience and its preceding movies than of the outside world. Keep in mind it was a different writer/director than the other two.
For what it’s worth, I attended a candlelight vigil in memory of a vintage Arby’s (with a giant, awesome lit sign) that’s being dismantled and torn down to make way for an expensive hotel no one wants. That vigil for a neighborhood icon that stood for 40 years and is a victim of gentrification was 1000% more heartfelt than the one in this “movie”
Oh man, I really don't like it when people do that. Calling other people sinners, without knowing the reason why they are like this and in a bad condition, and just jumped into conclusions. Maybe, instead of calling them sinners, try to talk to them and comfort them and help them. Don't call them sinners because of something they didn't do. It reminds me of that one video by the Dobre Brothers, an MV called 'Stop That'. It's a song for those who are getting bullied, the lyrics are basically ("You think you are ugly, stop that. You think you are not good enough, stop.") It's really lazy, instead of talking and comforting to those who are getting bullied, you just told them to "stop that", literally telling them to fix these issues by themselves. I have a feeling this whole "women are sinners" thing started because of the story of Genesis, where Eve ate the fruit from the tree and gave it to Adam, causing them to both be sinners, because a woman caused it, that's just not right. I have a feeling it's because there are some people out there who think women are inferior or below men (who are the "righteous ones"), and they will be the cause of you having lust or something, it doesn't make any sense!
I think you have the wrong idea of what us Christians make of it.. when we tell someone that they’re a sinner, we aren’t singling them out. Literally, we’re all sinners. Every single one of us. It’s not discriminating at all to tell someone that they’re a sinner, our hope is that they’ll realise this and understand their need to turn to God for repentance. Of course some Christians will just want to tell others that they’re going to hell, but the fundamental reasoning of it for most Christians is to see people get saved
Closing churches is actually an issue in the church, not because of people coming after them, but because people have stopped going and they can’t afford to keep them up and running
Or moving, in Germany a church from 19th century was demolished along with the village since they will build there a factory so a news church and village were build for the locals.
Which church ? Also every parish and every diocese is economically independent, a parish in say New York will be wealthier then a parish in Nairobi while the archdiocese of Cologne makes more money a year then the Vatican which has a budget of 300 million dollars, mostly used to pay the bills, the employes and other resources.
Ironically I feel like this is a perfect description of the 3rd movie, if you look at it as a satirization of the previous two movies, it’s beautiful, but it still tries to hold up some of the beliefs of the previous movies and the beliefs of the message is trying to say, and honestly, I wish it didn’t have to do that
Remember back in the first movie, when the script straight up fucking murdered the atheist with a car to make him accept God? And then somehow made Muslims the bad guys? Such wholesome beginnings
They should’ve put a mosque, synagogue, Hindu temple, Buddhist temple, and Mormon temple on the school campus. I wonder what the Evangelicals and pastor Dave would have done then?
@@williammorahan4907lol where? I live near Knoxville and the University of Tennessee doesn’t have anything other than a church. If it’s required today, they sure haven’t gotten the memo
"GND 128 - the big revenge of return of the living god who is not dead at all honest totally oh and this will be the last film i mean seriously please stop attenting we want to do other movies"
"In the second we have a literal devil" I just remembered that guy actually plays the devil in a tv series called Reaper. And it's not just a quick appearance, he's the main villain.
Hey, remember the times when some communities banded together to stop mosques from being built nearby? Thank God the Religious Freedom-loving Evangelicals spoke up to defend the right of a religion to build a house of worship! Oh, wait... uh...
If the church burned down It's a more likely scinario that the school would allow the church to temporarly use the school gym for Sunday services until they can find a better location. That's what most communities would do. And not having a building to meet in has never stopped any Christians from worshiping, getting together and spreading the Gospel. They will just meet in a nother place and are united in Christ.
"So long as you've got a few people and a tent, you've got a church" -paraphrased Jesus quote. Yet I so rarely see that one put into practice, instead giant, vain chapels that could have fed small countries.
Ultra Atari, Harmony Alexandria. I'm gonna give you a short story from my life. I'm an Atheist, more or less. Out-and-out Anti-Christian on my worst days. I despise the God of the Bible as an evil, neglectful, horrific sonofabitch who I wouldn't piss on if He were on fire. With that said, I would fight for a church to stay open. If they are nothing else, they are places of sanctuary, rest, peace, and community (the better ones, not the megachurches but even they have some positive uses). The chapel at the hospital where I used to work was a great place to just sit down and ignore the world for ten minutes so I could get my head back together before going back to work. The airport chapels I've been have always provided the few minutes' refuge I needed before I had to face where I was going. And, in Basic, they were a welcome break from the grind of the week and a chance to get a half-hour of extra sleep even if I got nothing out of the service. Granted, these were non-denominational Army churches, but the point stands. Go into one and just sit. Don't read the books, don't look at anything, just sit. Listen to the people. Enjoy a few minutes' silence. Save your anger for the shitheel Christians who wield their religion like a club.
@@raidermaxx2324 Not sure whether you thought it was a bullshit number in being too high or too low, but in any case, almightytallestred was only slightly off: according to the Pew Research Center, roughly 70% of Americans identify as Christian. www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/ If you scroll down a little, there's a lot of interesting information on demographics, political views, and more specific beliefs.
I had a teacher in Middle School who spoke about God constantly. When I was in High School, he got arrested for possessing Child Porn. I still feel really weird about my time in his class, because the discussions we had in class brought me closer to a faith I was moving away from (ultimately as an adult, I'm pretty nonreligious but I do believe God is real), but also wow the irony.
Similar thing happened in my high school. Our teacher always talked about loving Jesus and loving his wife, but got caught sleeping with a student. Big yikes. People felt really betrayed.
@XDranzer000 Dame straight, can't stand these HYPOCRITES. Am no king of moralistic thinking but don't you my believe to justify behavior that goes against what my own book teaches!
That's because many religious people end up believing that they're good for the sole fact that they're religious or that they can just earn forgiveness by praying. Meanwhile, they tend to deem others as inferior, morally speaking, for simply not believing in their God. I say this because I went to a Catholic school and I used to see this a lot. Obviously, many religious peep are not like this, but those who are hypocritical happen to have this belief.
He filibusters because it's just like preaching, and preaching is all this guy knows how to do. It's the old "if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" saying brought to life.
"surely the parallels to christianity are not lost on you" the meta, blatant bluntness of this line makes me laugh and just want to clip it out and use it to describe itself and everything like it
I seriously dislike the anti-intellectualist rhetoric of a lot of these Christian propaganda movies, and their general suspicion towards the idea of secular education. Especially since university students nowadays absolutely have to go to university in order to get a single job that pays decent enough to *survive,* and public university is likely the only affordable option for a lot of people. It’s kind of elitist, ironically. Not everyone can make a livable wage right out of high school. Some of the “working class” in heartland America these movies target are earning double that of the university graduate fresh from U.C. Berkeley.
If people are already predetermined to go with god when they die, then you wouldn't need to raise people under a religious doctrine. It's almost like they know the bible is contradictory in what is real by it's own rules. That if you don't pound the idea into someones head, the idea will die. Also, if God is all powerful, than none of the attempts to shut him down would even work. Christianity is absolutely full of contradictions that they try to make work together. We have free-will. God is all knowing and all powerful, he knows our every move, thought and if we will go to heaven or not. God has planned all of this, and the devil will take over for 7 years in an apocalypse. He is already determined to win, after already purposefully knowing that the devil will break free. But he's all powerful, and knows he will win, but somehow not powerful enough to fix things now. Heaven is a place with out tears and we will be happy forever. After the apocalypse god will just go ahead and remake earth into the perfect view he wants, presumably with out the free choice of eating an apple he made that ruined everything.
They have to become anti-intellectual as the world gradually veers towards irreligiosity or else they have a serious paradox on their hands. Christianity will have to eventually become another breed of right-wing "populism" if it continues to assert its black-and-white vision as popular sentiment begins to turn away from it, though I doubt the whole thing will go rancid any time soon because of America's longstanding capability to resist social progress. With any luck it will anchor itself to paleoconservatism and go down with the ship. The Christians I grew up around certainly have a tendency for that kind of ideology, so it won't be a very big jump from where they were without actually being the minority.
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one big problem. berkeley is full of Antifa members. Not very nice people.
If evangelical wants to learn about god in school why not go to a private school. Furthermore, there are religious courses in college ,so why is this kid in a philosophy class?
Probably to disprove all the nasty unbelievers and spread the true faith. Which is good way to piss away 7 weeks and fail a course, trying to convert your weirded out classmates.
This is a thing for us - every movie can win multiple sequels. Who wishes to see The Return of the Werevampiremonsterhailtornado 24 - the Night of the Living Undead's Curse?
If they wanted the gods not dead trilogy to be taken seriously they shouldn't have made victim complex court cases that never would have made it before a real judge.
@@Kai...999, You say that, but a depressing percentage of Evangelicals believe this to be an incredibly plausible scenario (it's not, but they don't care).
Oh for the love of um...god, DON'T give them any ideas. I'm sure if some PureFlix lackey saw your comment they'd pitch it at the next meeting.... Don't brings this into being....please.
If there’s one nice thing I can say about GND 3, it’s that it makes for a fascinating case study in how trying to incorporate nuance into a movie with a world that has very little basis in reality ends up having it defeat its own position.
So, I may be able to help with the theme paradox. I grew up in fundamentalist Christianity and was kicked out for being gay, so I have been through the whole system. Christianity is based on the idea of persecution. The Bible is pretty clear that good Christians will be persecuted and the true and righteous ways of thinking will always stand at odds with society. Therefore Christianity really can't exist properly without something opposing it. Think Nietzsche's Master and Slave morality. The first two God's not Dead movies read that society is bad, but Christians will win through logic (or what they call logic). But in doing so, they're paradoxically proving Christianity is fine in modern civilization and will ultimately win. However, as with most persecution complexes, the only way to truly win is to be defeated. If Christians aren't continually persecuted, they must either not be true Christians, or their brand of Christianity must not be real. It's kind of similar to how people who are hypochondriacs actually really want to be justified in their belief they have a disease, not to simply not have one. So the only way to win is to be proven right by being persecuted till the end. "See I told you I was right" mentality. Something that's a striking parallel in the Bible is when Christ didn't defend himself in court before being crucified, even though it was clear to Pilate he didn't do anything wrong. If he had defended himself, they wouldn't have killed him. If they didn't kill him, he wouldn't have been persecuted. If he wasn't persecuted, he wouldn't have been right.
That's... actually very interesting and something I had never considered before. To be christian, they have to be persecuted and oppressed because the philosophy of Christianity has to be at odds with the secular world. Thanks for your comment, dude, you've given me some stuff to think about.
Kiernan Kern that’s actually pretty interesting. I’m not sure I agree. I will have to read it again, but it is in-depth analyses like yours that keeps me on my toes, questioning my beliefs. Most people Who is spit on Christianity make a bunch of straw men, much like the evangelicals do to secular people, but I find these comments quite interesting. The sad thing is, this is entirely avoidable, if only they would just let each other live instead of trying to tell each other how to live.
Limey Lassen yeah. It’s really sad that fundamentalists on both atheists and Christian side tell people that said extremes a representative of their opposing side as a whole. That’s quite convenient for them.
Everything I've heard about this movie sounds so weird and confused... It's like they had a moment of actual self-reflection, but also didn't want to give up their persecution complex. So they ended up in this weird spot where they can acknowledge that non-Christians aren't inherently evil and all these "oppression" scenarios are ridiculously contrived, but the end message is still "Christianity is doomed, woe is us." I can't decide if this is a step in the right direction, and maybe they'll arrive at an actual epiphany one of these days and become better people... or if this is a step in a worse direction, and they'll just descend even deeper into bitter resentment and victimhood. :-(
Dachusblot I’m entirely sure it’s the second scenario you mentioned. I’d interpret the ending of this film as allegorical; ‘The secularists are winning. Their numbers are larger, and growing to the point where they’re even recruiting people who aren’t avid Christ-haters [like all the non-Christian characters in the first two films were.] Assimilation is impossible at this point. We need to split off and begin our own little communities in places more tolerant toward our way of life.‘ It’s rapture theology. Persecution complexes don’t get less severe over time. Especially with the internet fueling and reinforcing the worldview.
Ironically they seem be doing an amazing job of proving Nietzsche's point "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.", note that Nietzsche was talking about the enlightenment - our decision to value logic and empiricism over faith and mysticism, that "we have killed him". Nietzsche was not actually an atheist, he disliked secularism, to this day he is one of the most misquoted philosophers ever. But if it was titled "god IS dead, we killed him", then they would not get any Christians watching the movie.
doombybbr I wonder if he was speaking about the evangelicals of his time, that they killed him because it destroyed the semblance of all Christian belief, love, preaching to sinners instead of persecuting them. In effect, they, trying to keep God alive, killed him. The reason I think this is because, on top of all the people I hear actively looking for satan everywhere they go, the preacher that runs this small church I go to told me that he didn’t like a lot of the churches he used to go to because they persecuted people who didn’t believe exactly as they did. It is his believe that this reason is why Christianity is dying. Perhaps, the people who make these movies are realizing this as well, slowly but Shirley.
Dachusblot I think the directors, given their previous film, were pushing for the good changes, but I imagine pureflix was breathing down their neck to stick to the pattern of the original.
*doombybbr* "he is one of the most misquoted philosophers ever" Congratulations, you're part of the problem. Here's the midsection to Parable of the Madman: _God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us -- for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto._ Tell me with a straight face that this is about enlightenment.
Wait, what? They killed off Jude? The guy that Dave had a bromance with in the first two movies? I've never watched any of these films and I'm still mad lmao
This story reminds me of the whole _Ground Zero Mosque_ what was going to be an Islamic Community Center in lower Manhattan. All efforts to stop the building (including marking the site as a _historical landmark_ ) have failed, though now the site will be used for high-end condos (because Manhattan needs more housing). It also makes me think of the Satanists who have placed themselves to end customs where churches and state interlace too much (such as prayers at the beginnings of committee meetings, or 10 commandments monuments on public land). Whenever it's decided that a church can do a thing because _any church_ can do that thing, the Satanists get in line to do that thing, and the thing is discontinued before it's their turn.
Satanists are the best kind of troll, y'all should check out The Church of Satan's twitter account, any time someone blames shit on "the Satan worshippers" they are on fucking point with their response.
The turks tried to make a mega mosque in my country ,the people weren't happy. The first who were against the idea were the mualim minority, the patriarch war ready to make a deal for the construction of a cathetral in Istambul(erdogan only accepted a small chapel Daniel only a cathedral.)
I think the meta self-criticism was an accident. They tried to give a more nuanced view of the whole subject matter, but because of their deeply-rooted perspective, they didn't fully understand the nuances and it came across as insincere or satirical. Though honestly, I appreciate their attempt and to some degree it still was a lot more nuanced than the previous two movies.
maybe it's kinda like the ladyballers thing, where they realised they couldn't just paint atheists as jerks and had to go all in 'even if the atheists aren't jerks, aren't forcing you to do or not do anything, we can't abide by that, we must still oppose them'
The real kicker? Eminent Domain is used more often by right wing allied actors (most who are Christians themselves) than anyone else (for fossil fuel company pipelines the most prevalent in modern times).
The "God's not Dead" movies would be hilarious, if the horrible propaganda, misrepresentation of people, aggressive anti anyone who isn't a certain type of Christian message, and persecution narrative weren't so strong that they became horrifying instead. One day people pushing religious ideas and themes will stop using dishonest tactics and techniques... but we aren't anywhere near there yet.
Also, the only time in which the minds of the obdurate will change, is upon being pronounced dead, when they have not even the mind to reconcile the falsehood that was their entire life. Funny isn't it? The nature of the unfalsifiable?
I like how there are some people in the comments hypothesising a possible lesbian relationship between Aisha and that blonde girl because of that one out of context clip from the first movie
I know im very late here, but I can’t not comment my thoughts. I was a Christian growing up and for many years as an adult. I can absolutely confirm that God’s not Dead 3 is not an intentional parody, but an attempt to inject genuine issues without actually making the correct changes. It’s saying “hey! We hear people when they criticize the church!” But it never actually adapts. That’s why it feels at war with itself. Normal rhetoric doesn’t fit with the real criticism, but they pretend acknowledging it is enough
15:50 Here's what you may be missing: the first two GnDs are centered around ripped-from-the-headlines pop-culture *myths*, the professor who teaches atheism, and the teacher punished for mentioning God. Neither exists, but both myths stem from an anxiety about being persecuted, right? GnD3 is also about a pop-culture persecution myth, ancillary to Evangelical Christianity, but not to an overlapping ideology: that of the social (Southern) conservative. That is, the belief that one's symbols are being attacked by students or "outsiders". This is more a reference to Charlottesville and its aftermath, and so I think it makes more sense to look at the narrative from that perspective. You have to recognize that for a lot of Evangelical Christians, their religion is indistinguishable from other cultural markers. The internal conflicts within the church (over abuse, intolerance of divorce, racism) are a parallel to the internal conflicts within conservatism over the Civil War, between the mythical "Lost Cause" of southern culture, independence, and gentility, and the historical reality of the CSA's foundational bedrock of white supremacy. Addendum: In a way, I think this is northern evangelicals saying "Just like our Southern brethren need to stop clinging to things that hold them in the past that keep them from moving forward (even though we all know it's fine fundamentally), so do we, whether it's a statue of Lee or an old-fashioned church where no one wants it. Time to move to the 'burbs!" Idk, I could be wrong, but the university professor sure talked about that church like a middle-of-the-road mayor talking about a Confederate monument.
If you're right about the "lost cause" business then the use of the name Jude may have been significant on that level too, as St. Jude is the patron saint of lost causes.
That honestly makes so much sense. Through this whole video I was confused by people saying the church was too controversial or lead to violence. Nothing that happens in the movie supports that. If you read it though as a stand in for confederate monuments though everything falls into place. People (myself included) do think confederate monuments stand for violence and controversy by their very nature and this films plays into the conservative fear of the same tactics and logic being applied to other elements of "traditional" southern life.
Sully 1991* "People do think Confederate monuments stand for violence and controversy by their very nature" I want to know what you think should be done about it and what criteria you would use to define an "offensive statue/monument".
They should have gone with the original draft. God's Not Dead Resurrection- The Search For God Where they travel to space in order to find physical proof of God not being dead.
@@CoryTheNorm It would be funnier if he died of auto-erotic asphyxiation. Just some planet's ring around his giant neck with a telescope pointed to some brothel from like the year 1000AD.
I was an atheist in college and I loved the chapel on campus because I used it as a quiet place to nap between classes or to study. People rarely came in and I don't think they really gave a shit about its presence on campus. These movies live in a fantasy world.
God's Not Dead is my favorite anime (i did the joke where you take a ridiculous piece of non-anime media and ironically refer to it as being anime, are you proud of me Big Joelius Caesar)
You say it's a joke, but this is clearly the rather well-known anime Neon Genesis Evangelion. It has Evangelicals and is as surreal as NGE's reputation suggests, what else could it be?
What I found funny is that this is a movie clearly made by and for evangelicals, but the church looks so mainline protestant/catholic/episcopalian. Also there is a choir/acolytes in traditional choir dress sitting next to Dave when he is preaching in church, while Dave is wearing regular lay clothes at 00:10.
You know what is the worst part? This gimmick of "Christians VS Atheists" would give a great movie if done right. But here everything seems so artificial and stupid that you can't take any situation seriously. Yeah, there is some groups and organizations that openly opposes themselves against christian, but both the Christians and their opposers has some deep motivations to do that, and none of these motivations involves stupid things like bulldozing churches. And the "villain" plan is the most imbecile thing I heard about: I mean, you decide to bulldoze a church right after another church gets burned down. Don't you think this could look, I mean, a bit suspicious?
@@Ivytheherbert - Right, but that kind of stuff would activate a horde of insurance investigators to descend on the college -- "Oh, so this place just **happened** to burn down, & now you just **happen** to want to bulldoze it & put in something else? My, how...convenient. We're going to have to see every communication that your board has had on this subject, all financial records for the property going back the last 20 years, & we're getting out our spelunking gear, so bend over & spread..."
As a Buddhist, I never know if I should be relieved or bothered that these movies are always "Christians vs. Atheists" and non-Christian religions (except sometimes Muslims) apparently don't exist in the black and white world these movies take place in.
Oh my, crazy idea: What if this film series is attempting a very slow form of Street Epistomology? What if, by film 5 or 6, they will be okay with Secularism? What if they will promote tolerance and acceptance for all? What if they are de-converting their flock?! Maybe they are insidiously brilliant, building up an audience only to slowly and eventually convert them to rational skepticism!!? A fella can dream...
Great video! I had this strange feeling all throughout the whole thing, and then I realized! The church this was filmed at was our chapel when I was in elementary school. Lol the scene at 13:32 is literally the inside of that old chapel and I haven't seen it in years. Turns out this whole thing was shot in my hometown! What a small world haha
I like how the movie is like “everyone hates us Christians” hmm maybe it’s because you seem to hate anyone else who has contradicting beliefs. Like try being a pagan sis
it talks about in the Bible that it's the Lords loving kindness that draws us near to Him, that's what many Christians fail to see and to live by. Jesus gave us two commandments the first is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. and the second greatest is to love one another as you love yourself. I'll admit there's alot of "religious" people out there who condemn others for committing sin but Jesus said to love you enemies not to condemn them.
The Christians who hate anyone who isn’t a Christian aren’t the face of the church, or rather, they shouldn’t be. Jesus hung out with prostitutes and drunks, “the healthy do not need a doctor” He is the doctor for the sick, the sinners (I.e you and me and the pagan next door) following His example should entail that we treat the sick with the medicine of The Love of Christ, He asked us to love our enemy’s and instead we hate both our friends and enemy’s. That’s all religion, a relationship with Christ and a heart for Him, is all we need. Not a church building or some attempt to seem oppressed (which may happen in some cases but not all that frequently)
Some atheist groups have an agenda . But in general its not a dues charging club with a roll call . Its just a state of being come to in both rational and irrational ways that they reject religion and belief in deities .
I tend to classify some of these groups as militant antitheists . They are that uncle at the family reunion no one hugs or makes small talk to . Some other's agenda are simply to fight for the rights of atheists . Most atheists though just go about their lives with no one knowing their stance on gods .
@@piepang7323 honest question; what idols are you speaking about? I realize this is an older comment, but the authentic Catholic Church doesn't worship idols (the Pope has a specific procedure to follow before anything is to be considered infallible and in matters of doctrine and teaching only; I don't recall hearing that procedure being employed in this matter, as a sidenote). On the concept of being born again, have you made a complete confession or otherwise sought advice on this with a mentor or pastor you can trust? In my own experience, being Catholic or Christian in general is more about one's relationship with God, the people around you, and learning to know Him better. It sounds to me like you're on the right path if you wish to continue with Christianity in general, let alone Catholicism. Take some time to reflect on it, and seek out someone you trust for advice if you haven't already. Hope this helps!
@@piepang7323 sorry but conspiracy theory channels aren't doing any favors. Priests having authority to, as an agent of God through the sacraments, absolve a confessor and assign penance is a basic doctrine this guy is incorrect on. If you have access to a catechism, please avail yourself of one if you wish to learn more. I'm willing to agree there have been controversial stances from Francis in particular
When it comes to films like this, the biggest issue I have is that they try to create a divide that isn't there between faith and a lack of faith. Religion can, and is almost certainly often a personal experience and everyone has their own views about it, but rather than trying to show a positive side to faith and promote peace and acceptance for everyone it instead tries to demonize any group that isn't strictly Christian, and make Christians out to be victims with situations that would never realistically happen. A philosophy professor would never try to be so certain about a lack of a god, and would especially not be interested in trying to force a specific worldview of any kind on their students (philosophy is meant to be the examination of many world views and abstract concepts, the exact opposite of saying only one exists). I don't have any issues with faith, and I wouldn't call myself unfaithful myself, but I do think a lot of these films either disregard any possibility of a contradiction that religious freedom requires a government that distances itself sufficiently from all religions (or at the very least treats them all equally), or that it has to frame any rationale that tries to "balance the scales" of faith is an attack on Christianity. It's even more confusing when it seems to create nonsense situations in order to promote these ideas. I don't see any real reason why secularism and Christianity has to be at war, and I don't understand the purpose of trying to frame it as any kind of war when it seems like most people simply want to give people the capacity to follow their own faith or lack thereof, whatever that might be, in ways that do not infringe on the ability for others to do the same.
While none of my professors denied God (quite the opposite in fact, the ones who mentioned God mentioned Him as though He is real), my friend's brother claimed that he had a professor that said to his class, unprompted, "We all know God's not real." Now, could my ftoend's brother have been lying? Maybe, but I don't think so. The truth is, every professor has some sort of code or belief system and even the ones who try hard to be unbiased usually end up teaching their students to have at least some of these values. So yes, there are professors out there who might push atheism, albeit not very many.
What? A GND film that isn't totally rubbish propaganda, but has a modicum of introspection about the Christian persecution narrative? Imagine my shock. Thanks for the video! =8)-DX
I mean this is an old video BUT When I was in high school from 07 to 11 there was actually a push to not teach evolution and instead teach creationism and given the town I was in creationism won and no one in my graduating class and a few classes after us never learned evolution just creationism. So when I hear Christians bitchimg about being taken down I kind of cringe because like they are the reason I had to wait until college to learn about it on a professional level not just reading about it. No pity for Christians they pushed their rhetoric down everyone's throats in a public school for years.
This is pretty much the opposite reading Renegade Cut had. I was kinda annoyed you both had uploaded a video about this movie in the span of a few days but you did an excellent job of providing a unique viewpoint. Your voice is sweeter anyway.
With most people that I know, I don't have to constantly remind myself over and over "he's not dead...HE'S NOT DEAD!! HE'S ALIVE!! HE'S *NOT* DEAD!!!!" I've only really seen people resort to that when they're a lunatic desperately clinging to delusions.
Judging by Wikipedia article, the third movie is written and directed by Michael Mason, while the first two movies are both written by Chuck Konzelman, Cary Solomon and directed by Harold Cronk. Considering that the films are done by different people, what if the third one really is a satire of the whole series?
You picked apart what seems to be a mess of a movie extremely well and delivered your analysis with alot of clarity. Your channel is fast becoming one of the top video essay channels out there and I look forward to more content 😊
I had 2 high school teachers (one was a substitute) who were preachers/pastors/whatever they're called. the Sub had to actually tell us, and even then we were all super suprised. the actual tenured teacher was so obvious that he skipped to all the parts of the english textbook that contained religious allegories, and made us read psalms, and nothing else...
Listening to this well-reasoned, intelligently structured, eloquently delivered video essay made me feel extremely mature; stifling a giggle every time you casually drop the word 'schlooble' did not.
The thing that bothers me about these movies is their always the victim. They act like America is against Christianity but that couldn’t be farther than the truth!
For me the double narrative a bit like a queerbaiting. Some people will interpret the film like the two before: Christians are prosecuted by the government and some will see it as a self deconstruction of the series. Just like when some people watch cap America and Bucky doing their bromance they see a great and moving friendship when others see gayness I dunno, some writers push queerbait to form of art (not like the accidental suggestion of gayness like in the Avengers saga). Why can't the same happens in the GND trilogy?
They're deconstruction-baiting. Planting seeds that it's self aware and satirizing itself in order to attract a non-evangelical audience while staying ambiguous enough to promote the persecution complex that the first two movies had.
Unironically, the line "I'm a black preacher in the deep south, I could build you a church with all the bricks thrown through my window" goes hard. Like that's a great line, kudos to whoever wrote it.
I feel like a rapper could say that. Bars honestly
fantasy
Straight up an incredible point and it deserves to be in a much better film than this
@@ladyjellyfish4757it reminds me of the one philosophical line from Steve Buscemi's character in Spy Kids 2. Its always possible find good lines and scenes in bad movies.
Who is going around throwing bricks through the windows of black churches like it's a thing that black people just go through? I don't think that's like a glaring modern issue...I mean I know it has in the past but I feel like that kind of perpetuates a strange stereotype like black people are just constantly dodging bricks.
Imagine misinterpreting a Nietzsche quote so much that you make three movies based on your misinterpretation.
Antony Chigurh literally 💀
they forget the most important part of it. the quote isn't "god is dead", the quote is god is dead and we have killed him. This implies that we were the ones to create god in the first place. We made him up in our minds but now we have killed him. The quote is about lying to yourself about the truth of the world WHICH IS WHAT THIS ENTIRE SERIES DOES. it's honestly mindnumbingly ignorant.
Imagine taking a bit of middle eastern mythology so seriously that you try to build a theocracy based on it 2 millennia later.
Whoa whoa, don't bring the nitche into this, thoughts are bigger than big Joel, like he's big, but nitzbtah, was genuinely trying to reconcile living. So don't open the door, we only need one liver anyway, so find a Russian writer
@@caleblightfoot6397 actually across 2 milenia
Can't wait for the God's not Dead anime adaptation, Neon Genesis Evangelical
Jesus anime? Sounds familiar...
BRUH
GET IN THE CHURCH SHINJI
Wait until they see JoJo part 7 where the corpse parts of Jesus are a maim plot device
Sam G you know I thought you were joking and then I found out it was true ;-; (I’m guessing Jojo is now implying that Jesus died or some other saint because I’m pretty sure they didn’t clarify)
It's a pretty bad sign when your christian propaganda is so bad at being christian propaganda that it's interpreted as being a critique of christian propaganda.
It's like being interpreted as self-parody but without the humour.
...Incidentally, "self-parody without the humor" is actually a pretty good way to describe depression.
It could be self-parody by intention as either an attempt to correct the weird us v. them mentality of the first two films or to try and discredit the movie by someone on the inside who doesn’t like these movies but has to make them.
Its like the tucker carlson defence
“No reasonable person would take mr Carlson seriously”
@@E4439Qv5 Nice
I don't know man, I was shockingly impressed by this movie. There wasn't a clear cut borderline-Satanic villain, there was some real nuance in the writing, a far more accurate depiction of atheists in the lead dude's brother. I appreciated how the black preacher reamed out David A.R. White victim mentality, and how the film conceded that the kid who burned the church down had a legitimate reason to hate religion. Sure, it fell into some stereotypical molds and subliminal messaging, but it felt like a truly mature development.
As an atheist college student who goes to a state university, nobody hates the churches around campus. In fact, I like them, because they give us free food and Pokestops.
ew you play pokemon go in 2018
Star Child some people like to enjoy things
Amen to the free food
@@starchild2900 just because it's not considered "cool" and "hip" to play it, doesn't mean it's bad.
An as a Christian not all Christ think atheist or other religion ppl are evil An crazy we are all human An there crazy ppl in all groups also good loving ppl . I wish Christian movies will go away An stop we being oppressed crap
They’re making a prequel. Gods Not Dead: Rise Of The Planet Of The Atheists
Led by Andy Serkis, playing a man named Caesar, and just like with the Serkis Apes films, we'll side with the "villains" of the saga :v
One can dream right
“Athes together strong.”
And the sequel, God is not dead 4: The atheists strike back
You say that...but the actual working title for the forth movie is God’s Not Dead: We The People
"In the name of tolerance and diversity, I say we destroy her!" Their research on college students consisted of reading half a Tumblr post.
Or 2, that they mixed up in their head... cuz those are opposites...
I think that was a quote from the second movie that was being said by the lawyer for the Christian lady as hyperbolic sarcasm.
@@DecayConstant
Well no wonder that was one of the dumbest things I ever heard, it was meant to be sarcastic...
They didn't read half of a tumblr post, they saw a youtube video about a guy talking about half of a tumblr post and pretending it's a real big controversy.
"Texas bill will allow deatg penalty for woman who get abortions"
"We'll prove hiw pro-life we are...
With murder."
Every time the girl says "you're beautiful" to Aisha I keep hoping she was going to confess her love but gets nervous and backs down.
A gay love affair facing Christians persecution would be a better story than the actual movie tbh
@@homosexualitymydearwatson4109 Pureflix won't produce the interesting movies though 😔
I wish you didn’t have to do that 🥺💞🙌
I knew I wasn't the only one thinking that
@@homosexualitymydearwatson4109 username checks out
God's Not Dead 1: The Phantom Secularist
God's Not Dead 2: Attack of the Red Coffee Cup
God's Not Dead 3: Revenge of the Atheist
God's Not Dead 4: A New Pope
God's Not Dead 5: The ACLU Strikes Back
God's Not Dead 6: Return of the Evangelicals
God's Not Dead 7: Our God Awakens
God's Not Dead 8: The Last Christian
God's Not Dead 9: The rise of Christ
Rouge One: A protestants story
+magnetothewhite That was the whole point lmao
*The student from the first movie is given his old bible and he tosses it off a cliff*
The coffee cup one got me😂
Wonderfully clever.
Red coffee Cup?
"Brother, who do you think you're talking to? I'm a black preacher in the South! I could build you a church with all the bricks thrown through my windows!"
Was that... a genuinely good line... putting down a CHRISTIAN in a GOD'S NOT DEAD movie?!
This is _fascinating._
It really is. And it's not unique either. Dave's brother, who used to be Christian but is not now, gets a number of actually good putting down Christians lines. It's pretty great.
This is another reason why i cant align with “christianity” as preached by white people. My ancestors werent even allowed to read the bible, and were enslaved by “christians” who used said book to reinforce their belief of oppression toward another ethnicity. If jesus died for their sins, then he picked a side before i was born. If he died for my sins, then who was helping the slavemasters? And truthfully, i dont wanna be in a heaven that has so many people i detested here on earth
@@kalstonii I feel that pain. A lot of people across the world do actually
kalstonii For me, it was the overt sexism in both the Old and New Testaments. Where women were forced to marry their rapists or that women were better off to remain silent. I am not even a woman and I feel that these things demoralizes the worth of women. It just astounds me that I know many Christian women that are actively against contraceptives and abortions because they think it is sinful. It saddens me.
Iron Revenant And that still happens today with Islam 😔
I love how they killed the comic relief preacher friend at the beginning of the movie to solidify how edgy it was going to be
this is the epitome of god's not dead movies
Can I be honest and say that I was sad to see comic relief preacher friend die? Dude seemed like a total bro.
Yeah, he was more or less the best thing about the first two movies. Totally earnest, and not nearly so weighed down by an ideology of persecution.
Epitome? I'd say epitaph is a more fitting word honestly.
Also, black dude dies first.
Scorchle God’s not dead...but the black guy is.
Bro when the black pastor said “who do you think you’re talking to” I SCREAMED
Well to be fair he those have a point
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And the face he made too! He was CALLING👏HIM👏OUT👏
PREACH THEM FELLA
Loved that moment
You're missing the whole point. The "God's Not Dead" trilogy is in fact the most ambitious work of speculative fiction in film history, set in an alternate universe where all of this makes perfect sense.
I don't even know what to take away from this statement. On one hand it would be one hilarious jab at the credibility of Christianity in modern America, on the other, that would be meta as fuck.
I'm kms I love this comment
It’s also connected to and set in the same universe as cloverfield
MCU (Muh Christianity Universe)
It's a great window on the worldview of conservative american christians.
Just wait until the next film: God's Not Dead 4: A God Day to Not Dead
God's Not Dead 6: Jesus vs. Jason
God's Not Dead 7th Heaven: Commander Decker did what?
God's not dead 9: J.C's rapture adventure
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@@societycrumbles God's not Dead 11: Cousin Satan's Island Adventure
The scene where the blond girl tells Aisha "you're beautiful", when taken out of context, looks like a she's hitting on her. I don't think that's what Pure Flicks meant, but then again I don't recall them explicitly denying it soo ...
I would ship if if that girl wouldn't have acted so disrespectful.
Matt I. Yeah same
Another comment pointed out how the idea of 2 girls from different disagreeing religions who are in love would be a very good idea for a movie.
I am absolutely certain that somewhere there is a fanfiction about those two
@@aunix16
If there isn’t I will watch all of these goddamn movies and write one.
Imagine unironically writing a movie about how "the government" hates evangelical Christianity whilst Trump is president.
And Trump is your "Man of God"......LOL. The world has gone insane.
@@davidking4838 Some of them legitimately tout him as the second coming/chosen one of christ. I've never seen a more legitimate candidate for the biblical false prophet/antichrist in my life
@@joshaboi7467 Still better than Biden.
That argument lacks any substance. You can't say Evangelicals have everything simply because Trump is president for the same reason you can't say black people did when Obama was. There is a lot more to both of these stories than just looking at the president.
I look forward to people missing my point entirely and talking about race and religion because they have terrible reading comprehension and didn't realize that is not what I'm talking about. Key words "lacks any substance"
@@douggieharrison6913 Some races are better than others. Like the Indy 500
"It's okay to ask difficult questions..."-ASssSSsss longAsYouStillBelieveInMyGod
I was actually told that by a preacher at a church that I visited; that it was OK to question as long as it led me back to God. And of course he didn't mean "back to God," he meant "back to our trademarked idea of what God is."
Literally Gods Not Dead is the reason why my mom thinks the government is strictly against christians even though 1) my school has an interfaith and christian club 2) anthem literally says "one nation. Under god" 3) America was built by Christians for Christians for a while being anything else was unacceptable yet these movies that had out of context court case examples that had way more depth than just "people hate christians" convinced her that the government hates and wants to suppress christians. Propoganda at it's finest.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
Your mom is brainwashed, and I am so sorry. :(
Cute Sushi Actually all the religious stuff is new (relatively). The law requiring “In God We Trust” be on all US currency and the rewording of “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance both happened during the Cold War (‘56 and ‘54, respectively).
Basically framing the US as a country of good, moral Christians versus the immoral, filthy commie atheists (ie propaganda appealing to the majority of Americans’ own personal prejudices regarding religion).
gingergamergirl98 Never knew that me being an atheist British, Classical Liberal, Conservative now makes me a “commie atheist”
Let’s not forget that many of our founding fathers were deists. These were Enlightenment era men highly skeptical of organized religion and they made their feelings clear in our founding documents. To claim that “America was built by Christians for Christians” is to concede ground with no historical basis for doing so.
Evangelicals only accept questioning faith if the ultimate result is deciding that the evangelicals are right.
Nailed it. They have their platitudes that say “it’s a relationship, not a religion.” In reality, it’s entirely a religion, because it’s all about having certain beliefs and following certain rules. They’re just kidding themselves.
@@melodyrichardson5051 I mean also if in a relationship the other partner has total and utter power over you and you're never allowed to leave the relationship then that's abusive so I don't think they're doing themselves any favors.
@@melodyrichardson5051 I hate it when an Evangelical tells me they are not religious but have a relationship to Jesus. I don't understand why someone convinces themselves of their own lies and tell them to others.
"You're beautiful... I wish you didn't have to do that."
Is she... hitting on Aisha? Because that sounds like an interesting twist.
Everyone has said this and I love that. No amount of Christian filmmakers can stop the internet now!
Are you shipping a propaganda film?
@@tompatterson1548 Yuh
@@tompatterson1548 Propaganda cannot stop horny!
Shipping ahoy!
"Jesus" is the anglicized form of the latinized form of "Yeshua," from which we also get "Joshua." "Christ" means "anointed," i.e. "rubbed with oil for ceremonial purposes." Thus, one could translate "Jesus Christ" as "Oily Josh." Thus concludes the sum total of my contribution to any sort of discourse on the subject of not only Christianity but religion in general. Thank you and goodnight.
The real questions are finally answered 😩 Thank Oily Josh for your gracious contribution
I love you
Oily Josh loves the little children
little ghost Cursed comment.
Genius
The third movie is basically like ''liberulz have become so powerful that they started recruiting people who aren't mustache twirling sociopaths and they made 'murica incompatible with our beliefs. Woe is us. Let's go build our own niche community.''
This is literally how Jonestown started.
The Phantom Safety Pin Except opposite that. They saw the prejudice of society at that time and wanted nothing to do with it. His teachings (at his first church, anyway) were actually really good. Unfortunately, he wasn’t a good man. He was manipulative as hell and liked the power he wielded as a pastor too much. He also suffered from paranoia (a result of a drug problem, can’t remember what he was abusing but I think paranoia is a common result iirc).
That blew my mind when I learned that. Just because someone preaches against racism, doesn’t mean they aren’t a manipulative cult leader.
CaptainMarvell92 Returns sounds like Christian communism is going to arrive in America in any moment
@@gingergamergirl98 weirdly enough it's not uncommon for cult leaders to preach against racism. They take that hate and direct it towards "worldly" people. It serves to welcome in marginalized people, giving them a support group, and isolates the members from greater society. [Source: TellTale Atheist]
Not really. The third movie, to me at least, appears to be more critical of its own audience and its preceding movies than of the outside world. Keep in mind it was a different writer/director than the other two.
For what it’s worth, I attended a candlelight vigil in memory of a vintage Arby’s (with a giant, awesome lit sign) that’s being dismantled and torn down to make way for an expensive hotel no one wants. That vigil for a neighborhood icon that stood for 40 years and is a victim of gentrification was 1000% more heartfelt than the one in this “movie”
Ha, idk if that's bizarre or awesome
+J Girl both, but mostly the latter
RIP Arby's :'''''[
Calidum Carnem Funny, my younger brother is an assistant manager at the one in my hometown. He’s got a bright future ahead, lol!
Candlelight vigil for an Arby's.
How fat is your city?
calling women who were abused and beaten sinners is very common for in the church, Its one of the reasons I personally left religion
Oh man, I really don't like it when people do that. Calling other people sinners, without knowing the reason why they are like this and in a bad condition, and just jumped into conclusions. Maybe, instead of calling them sinners, try to talk to them and comfort them and help them. Don't call them sinners because of something they didn't do. It reminds me of that one video by the Dobre Brothers, an MV called 'Stop That'. It's a song for those who are getting bullied, the lyrics are basically ("You think you are ugly, stop that. You think you are not good enough, stop.") It's really lazy, instead of talking and comforting to those who are getting bullied, you just told them to "stop that", literally telling them to fix these issues by themselves.
I have a feeling this whole "women are sinners" thing started because of the story of Genesis, where Eve ate the fruit from the tree and gave it to Adam, causing them to both be sinners, because a woman caused it, that's just not right. I have a feeling it's because there are some people out there who think women are inferior or below men (who are the "righteous ones"), and they will be the cause of you having lust or something, it doesn't make any sense!
"Gods love has basicallymade it so I have to attack you for being a victim"
I think you have the wrong idea of what us Christians make of it.. when we tell someone that they’re a sinner, we aren’t singling them out. Literally, we’re all sinners. Every single one of us. It’s not discriminating at all to tell someone that they’re a sinner, our hope is that they’ll realise this and understand their need to turn to God for repentance. Of course some Christians will just want to tell others that they’re going to hell, but the fundamental reasoning of it for most Christians is to see people get saved
So it’s a good thing that this movie calls out that behaviour no ?
@@sjappiyah4071 yes but then people shouldn't use that as an argument against all Christianity
Closing churches is actually an issue in the church, not because of people coming after them, but because people have stopped going and they can’t afford to keep them up and running
Or moving, in Germany a church from 19th century was demolished along with the village since they will build there a factory so a news church and village were build for the locals.
"Can't afford to keep them running." That's rich, pardon the pun, considering how much money the church as an organisation makes.
Tyrannis Pax he’s not talking about mega churches, it’s small churches that only have about 20-40 people going to them that can’t afford to stay open
+Luna Even so, with the amount of "treasures they store up on earth" as a whole, you'd think they'd want to do more for their communities.
Which church ? Also every parish and every diocese is economically independent, a parish in say New York will be wealthier then a parish in Nairobi while the archdiocese of Cologne makes more money a year then the Vatican which has a budget of 300 million dollars, mostly used to pay the bills, the employes and other resources.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from this franchise is that you’re beautiful, I wish you didn’t have to do that
Rofl.
Ironically I feel like this is a perfect description of the 3rd movie, if you look at it as a satirization of the previous two movies, it’s beautiful, but it still tries to hold up some of the beliefs of the previous movies and the beliefs of the message is trying to say, and honestly, I wish it didn’t have to do that
Remember back in the first movie, when the script straight up fucking murdered the atheist with a car to make him accept God? And then somehow made Muslims the bad guys?
Such wholesome beginnings
They should’ve put a mosque, synagogue, Hindu temple, Buddhist temple, and Mormon temple on the school campus. I wonder what the Evangelicals and pastor Dave would have done then?
Tried to convert the people in the other establishments I presume.
Isn’t that what colleges and universities are *required* to do nowadays?
@@williammorahan4907lol where? I live near Knoxville and the University of Tennessee doesn’t have anything other than a church. If it’s required today, they sure haven’t gotten the memo
@williammorahan4907 That’s definitely one way to demonstrate your ignorance lmao
@@williammorahan4907no they usually dont have religion. not acknowledging *any* religion is respecting any religion a student has.
Can't wait until u do a vid on God's Not Dead 69: Risen From The Grave
God's Not Dead 72: Satanic Boogaloo. Like footloose except with demons.
"GND 128 - the big revenge of return of the living god who is not dead at all honest totally oh and this will be the last film i mean seriously please stop attenting we want to do other movies"
Just wait for part 4, where it turns out it was all part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
This Ain't God's Not Dead XXX
God's Not Dead: The Anime
"In the second we have a literal devil" I just remembered that guy actually plays the devil in a tv series called Reaper. And it's not just a quick appearance, he's the main villain.
joe i'mjoe intentional maybe?
Leland Palmer?
Maybe that dude needs to reflect on why he's typecast.
Or maybe he has cultivated that look and is indeed The Devil.
I felt like it was a reference to that.
@joe mjoe
Oh that's what Joel was referencing... I thought he was making a "Lawyers in Hell" joke...
Can’t we all just get along and agree
That my religion is the true religion and you need to change your beliefs
Come on, you know that Unitarianism is the One True Faith.
No. Go away
Feminism is my only religion
No it isn't. It's Rastafarianism
That's when the Universalists come in and say _You may not believe in my salvation, but I believe in yours._
Hey, remember the times when some communities banded together to stop mosques from being built nearby? Thank God the Religious Freedom-loving Evangelicals spoke up to defend the right of a religion to build a house of worship! Oh, wait... uh...
I hate Islam
If the church burned down It's a more likely scinario that the school would allow the church to temporarly use the school gym for Sunday services until they can find a better location. That's what most communities would do. And not having a building to meet in has never stopped any Christians from worshiping, getting together and spreading the Gospel. They will just meet in a nother place and are united in Christ.
nice.. you are the literally the cartoon version they fight against
Harmony Alexandria Did your parents beat you as a child? (that is, if you're already 18 years old or more) You sound really angry.
"So long as you've got a few people and a tent, you've got a church" -paraphrased Jesus quote. Yet I so rarely see that one put into practice, instead giant, vain chapels that could have fed small countries.
Harmony Alexandria
I'm in agreement. i just say a student union sounds much better. hell a taco bell sounds better than a church
Ultra Atari, Harmony Alexandria. I'm gonna give you a short story from my life. I'm an Atheist, more or less. Out-and-out Anti-Christian on my worst days. I despise the God of the Bible as an evil, neglectful, horrific sonofabitch who I wouldn't piss on if He were on fire.
With that said, I would fight for a church to stay open. If they are nothing else, they are places of sanctuary, rest, peace, and community (the better ones, not the megachurches but even they have some positive uses). The chapel at the hospital where I used to work was a great place to just sit down and ignore the world for ten minutes so I could get my head back together before going back to work. The airport chapels I've been have always provided the few minutes' refuge I needed before I had to face where I was going. And, in Basic, they were a welcome break from the grind of the week and a chance to get a half-hour of extra sleep even if I got nothing out of the service. Granted, these were non-denominational Army churches, but the point stands.
Go into one and just sit. Don't read the books, don't look at anything, just sit. Listen to the people. Enjoy a few minutes' silence.
Save your anger for the shitheel Christians who wield their religion like a club.
With roughly 75% of adult Americans identifying as Christian you can really feel those atheists closing in ^^
coould you provide a link to evidence that this statistic you just pulled outta your ass, is actually a fact? cuz thats a bullshit number.
@@raidermaxx2324 Not sure whether you thought it was a bullshit number in being too high or too low, but in any case, almightytallestred was only slightly off: according to the Pew Research Center, roughly 70% of Americans identify as Christian. www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/
If you scroll down a little, there's a lot of interesting information on demographics, political views, and more specific beliefs.
Thyme And space totally wrecks angry raidermax Compilation #4
issac Guys it was a joke!!
Its not that high , and there is squabbling amongst the sects as to which ONE is legitimately Christian . They are strained allies .
God's not dead IV: The new faith.
God's not dead V: The State Strikes back.
God's not dead VI: Return of the righteous.
God's not dead VII: the Faith awakened
God's not dead VIII: the last pastor
God's not dead IX: the rise of the crucifix
God’s Not Dead: The Antichrist Menace
God’s Not Dead: Attack of the Muslims
God’s Not Dead: Revenge of the Atheist
Basically, God’s Not Dead 3 can be summed up as follows: “Are we the baddies? Nah, there are very fine people on both sides.”
And then 4 comes back with "but really, the atheists are the bad guys who have infiltrated the government"
I had a teacher in Middle School who spoke about God constantly.
When I was in High School, he got arrested for possessing Child Porn. I still feel really weird about my time in his class, because the discussions we had in class brought me closer to a faith I was moving away from (ultimately as an adult, I'm pretty nonreligious but I do believe God is real), but also wow the irony.
Similar thing happened in my high school. Our teacher always talked about loving Jesus and loving his wife, but got caught sleeping with a student. Big yikes. People felt really betrayed.
@XDranzer000 Truth
@XDranzer000 Dame straight, can't stand these HYPOCRITES. Am no king of moralistic thinking but don't you my believe to justify behavior that goes against what my own book teaches!
That's because many religious people end up believing that they're good for the sole fact that they're religious or that they can just earn forgiveness by praying. Meanwhile, they tend to deem others as inferior, morally speaking, for simply not believing in their God.
I say this because I went to a Catholic school and I used to see this a lot. Obviously, many religious peep are not like this, but those who are hypocritical happen to have this belief.
Creepy stuff with kids and Christiani/catholic "authorities" have a long history, man.
You don't have to filibuster. You absolute madman.
This savagery gives me life.
Cup Of Cozy filibuster, like the invation of nicaragua
He filibusters because it's just like preaching, and preaching is all this guy knows how to do. It's the old "if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" saying brought to life.
If God isn't dead...He should pay Property Tax.
Imagine if it were retroactive too, national debt suddenly completely paid off
Give on to Caesar and all that.
TAX ON THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE!
You win, good job.
Should non profit charities also pay taxes then?
"surely the parallels to christianity are not lost on you"
the meta, blatant bluntness of this line makes me laugh and just want to clip it out and use it to describe itself and everything like it
wow thanks movie you came dangerously close to s u b t l e t y there
Me when I come back from a day off after 3 days
zack snyder would be proud
I seriously dislike the anti-intellectualist rhetoric of a lot of these Christian propaganda movies, and their general suspicion towards the idea of secular education. Especially since university students nowadays absolutely have to go to university in order to get a single job that pays decent enough to *survive,* and public university is likely the only affordable option for a lot of people.
It’s kind of elitist, ironically. Not everyone can make a livable wage right out of high school. Some of the “working class” in heartland America these movies target are earning double that of the university graduate fresh from U.C. Berkeley.
If people are already predetermined to go with god when they die, then you wouldn't need to raise people under a religious doctrine. It's almost like they know the bible is contradictory in what is real by it's own rules. That if you don't pound the idea into someones head, the idea will die.
Also, if God is all powerful, than none of the attempts to shut him down would even work. Christianity is absolutely full of contradictions that they try to make work together.
We have free-will.
God is all knowing and all powerful, he knows our every move, thought and if we will go to heaven or not.
God has planned all of this, and the devil will take over for 7 years in an apocalypse. He is already determined to win, after already purposefully knowing that the devil will break free.
But he's all powerful, and knows he will win, but somehow not powerful enough to fix things now.
Heaven is a place with out tears and we will be happy forever.
After the apocalypse god will just go ahead and remake earth into the perfect view he wants, presumably with out the free choice of eating an apple he made that ruined everything.
They have to become anti-intellectual as the world gradually veers towards irreligiosity or else they have a serious paradox on their hands. Christianity will have to eventually become another breed of right-wing "populism" if it continues to assert its black-and-white vision as popular sentiment begins to turn away from it, though I doubt the whole thing will go rancid any time soon because of America's longstanding capability to resist social progress. With any luck it will anchor itself to paleoconservatism and go down with the ship. The Christians I grew up around certainly have a tendency for that kind of ideology, so it won't be a very big jump from where they were without actually being the minority.
one big problem. berkeley is full of Antifa members. Not very nice people.
@ yes every single person who goes there is an antifa member ready to beat you with a bikelock
If evangelical wants to learn about god in school why not go to a private school. Furthermore, there are religious courses in college ,so why is this kid in a philosophy class?
Probably to disprove all the nasty unbelievers and spread the true faith. Which is good way to piss away 7 weeks and fail a course, trying to convert your weirded out classmates.
Hes a law student, you have to take philosophy for a law degree
So pumped for God’s Not Dead Rising: Revengeance
I'm going to have God's Not Dead: Survival
God's Not Dead 5: The Phantom Pain
NANOBIBLES, SON
*_The Meems!_*
RULES OF NATURE!!
Ugh! “Oppression Tourism” is such a good phrase for these movies.
God's Not Dead 11: The Next Commandment
God's Not Dead 12: Apostle Rising
God's Not Dead 40: Jesus v Satan: Dawn of Temptation
That last one sounds kind of erotic.
My favourite was “Gods not dead 22: Je Je's bizzare rapture Adventure“
I would watch the FUCK out of Jesus v Satan: Dawn of Temptation
@@JMBAD_art How about Satan vs Manbearpig where Satan dies fighting trying to save us all.
@@jinkisaragi874 Fun fact: Jesus' birth name is Yeshua bar Yoseph, or Joshua Josephson. Therefore, Jesus is a JoJo. This is canon in Part 7.
They made a THIRD???
You'd be surprise how many Christian films can get funded because of religious dogma.
Yes Creepy, yes they freaking did.
This is a thing for us - every movie can win multiple sequels. Who wishes to see The Return of the Werevampiremonsterhailtornado 24 - the Night of the Living Undead's Curse?
Yess this is the first i'm hearing of it I can't wait for Hugo and Jake to take down this flaming heap of christian propaganda.
Sharknado's competitor.
If they wanted the gods not dead trilogy to be taken seriously they shouldn't have made victim complex court cases that never would have made it before a real judge.
🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂 true
You mean they made an unrealistic scenario to tell a narrative? Gosh, movies never do that.
@@Kai...999,
You say that, but a depressing percentage of Evangelicals believe this to be an incredibly plausible scenario (it's not, but they don't care).
They're making a God's Not Dead Cinematic Universe
I can't wait till Gods Not Dead: Divinity War
Oh for the love of um...god, DON'T give them any ideas.
I'm sure if some PureFlix lackey saw your comment they'd pitch it at the next meeting....
Don't brings this into being....please.
They should introduce superheros. The holy crusader for example.
If there’s one nice thing I can say about GND 3, it’s that it makes for a fascinating case study in how trying to incorporate nuance into a movie with a world that has very little basis in reality ends up having it defeat its own position.
So, I may be able to help with the theme paradox. I grew up in fundamentalist Christianity and was kicked out for being gay, so I have been through the whole system. Christianity is based on the idea of persecution. The Bible is pretty clear that good Christians will be persecuted and the true and righteous ways of thinking will always stand at odds with society. Therefore Christianity really can't exist properly without something opposing it. Think Nietzsche's Master and Slave morality. The first two God's not Dead movies read that society is bad, but Christians will win through logic (or what they call logic). But in doing so, they're paradoxically proving Christianity is fine in modern civilization and will ultimately win. However, as with most persecution complexes, the only way to truly win is to be defeated. If Christians aren't continually persecuted, they must either not be true Christians, or their brand of Christianity must not be real. It's kind of similar to how people who are hypochondriacs actually really want to be justified in their belief they have a disease, not to simply not have one. So the only way to win is to be proven right by being persecuted till the end. "See I told you I was right" mentality. Something that's a striking parallel in the Bible is when Christ didn't defend himself in court before being crucified, even though it was clear to Pilate he didn't do anything wrong. If he had defended himself, they wouldn't have killed him. If they didn't kill him, he wouldn't have been persecuted. If he wasn't persecuted, he wouldn't have been right.
That's... actually very interesting and something I had never considered before. To be christian, they have to be persecuted and oppressed because the philosophy of Christianity has to be at odds with the secular world. Thanks for your comment, dude, you've given me some stuff to think about.
Growing up as a Roman Catholic this was very insightful and really explains a lot now that I really think about it. Good Comment:)
Kiernan Kern that’s actually pretty interesting. I’m not sure I agree. I will have to read it again, but it is in-depth analyses like yours that keeps me on my toes, questioning my beliefs. Most people Who is spit on Christianity make a bunch of straw men, much like the evangelicals do to secular people, but I find these comments quite interesting. The sad thing is, this is entirely avoidable, if only they would just let each other live instead of trying to tell each other how to live.
Of course that's only for fundamentalists. Moderate christians aren't as obsessed with persecution.
Limey Lassen yeah. It’s really sad that fundamentalists on both atheists and Christian side tell people that said extremes a representative of their opposing side as a whole. That’s quite convenient for them.
Everything I've heard about this movie sounds so weird and confused... It's like they had a moment of actual self-reflection, but also didn't want to give up their persecution complex. So they ended up in this weird spot where they can acknowledge that non-Christians aren't inherently evil and all these "oppression" scenarios are ridiculously contrived, but the end message is still "Christianity is doomed, woe is us."
I can't decide if this is a step in the right direction, and maybe they'll arrive at an actual epiphany one of these days and become better people... or if this is a step in a worse direction, and they'll just descend even deeper into bitter resentment and victimhood. :-(
Dachusblot I’m entirely sure it’s the second scenario you mentioned. I’d interpret the ending of this film as allegorical; ‘The secularists are winning. Their numbers are larger, and growing to the point where they’re even recruiting people who aren’t avid Christ-haters [like all the non-Christian characters in the first two films were.] Assimilation is impossible at this point. We need to split off and begin our own little communities in places more tolerant toward our way of life.‘ It’s rapture theology. Persecution complexes don’t get less severe over time. Especially with the internet fueling and reinforcing the worldview.
Ironically they seem be doing an amazing job of proving Nietzsche's point "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.", note that Nietzsche was talking about the enlightenment - our decision to value logic and empiricism over faith and mysticism, that "we have killed him".
Nietzsche was not actually an atheist, he disliked secularism, to this day he is one of the most misquoted philosophers ever.
But if it was titled "god IS dead, we killed him", then they would not get any Christians watching the movie.
doombybbr I wonder if he was speaking about the evangelicals of his time, that they killed him because it destroyed the semblance of all Christian belief, love, preaching to sinners instead of persecuting them. In effect, they, trying to keep God alive, killed him. The reason I think this is because, on top of all the people I hear actively looking for satan everywhere they go, the preacher that runs this small church I go to told me that he didn’t like a lot of the churches he used to go to because they persecuted people who didn’t believe exactly as they did. It is his believe that this reason is why Christianity is dying. Perhaps, the people who make these movies are realizing this as well, slowly but Shirley.
Dachusblot I think the directors, given their previous film, were pushing for the good changes, but I imagine pureflix was breathing down their neck to stick to the pattern of the original.
*doombybbr* "he is one of the most misquoted philosophers ever"
Congratulations, you're part of the problem. Here's the midsection to Parable of the Madman:
_God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us -- for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto._
Tell me with a straight face that this is about enlightenment.
Wait, what? They killed off Jude? The guy that Dave had a bromance with in the first two movies? I've never watched any of these films and I'm still mad lmao
This is the most valid comment
*S T U D E N T U N I O N B U I L D I N G*
*soviet
Fucking commies
@@razvanrepciuc5811those GODDAMN commies!
*MOSKAU INTENSIFIES*
@@wamlythecrabgod2199 MOSKAU, QUEEN OF THE RUSSIAN LAND, BUILT LIKE A ROCK TO STAND.....PROUD AND DIVINE!
A GND movie where secularists aren't mustache twirling villains? Call me impressed.
They are making progress un writing, maybe in the 6th movie they will do a half-decent movie. Maybe?
This story reminds me of the whole _Ground Zero Mosque_ what was going to be an Islamic Community Center in lower Manhattan. All efforts to stop the building (including marking the site as a _historical landmark_ ) have failed, though now the site will be used for high-end condos (because Manhattan needs more housing).
It also makes me think of the Satanists who have placed themselves to end customs where churches and state interlace too much (such as prayers at the beginnings of committee meetings, or 10 commandments monuments on public land). Whenever it's decided that a church can do a thing because _any church_ can do that thing, the Satanists get in line to do that thing, and the thing is discontinued before it's their turn.
Those Satanists are doing God's work lol.
Satanists are the best kind of troll, y'all should check out The Church of Satan's twitter account, any time someone blames shit on "the Satan worshippers" they are on fucking point with their response.
I knew a Satanist at my Catholic High School. He was the nicest asshole I had ever met.
The crazy thing is, if you actually read the bible, Satan is actually far more moral and sympathetic than God.
The turks tried to make a mega mosque in my country ,the people weren't happy. The first who were against the idea were the mualim minority, the patriarch war ready to make a deal for the construction of a cathetral in Istambul(erdogan only accepted a small chapel Daniel only a cathedral.)
Oppression tourism was such an intelligent phrase, holy shit good job man
Still waiting for God's Not Dead: Infinity War
...you mean Left Behind?
and then for God's Not Dead: Endgame.
christians snaped from antichrist
Divinity War
I think the meta self-criticism was an accident. They tried to give a more nuanced view of the whole subject matter, but because of their deeply-rooted perspective, they didn't fully understand the nuances and it came across as insincere or satirical. Though honestly, I appreciate their attempt and to some degree it still was a lot more nuanced than the previous two movies.
I second this
the black pastor was pretty cool for that one
maybe it's kinda like the ladyballers thing, where they realised they couldn't just paint atheists as jerks and had to go all in
'even if the atheists aren't jerks, aren't forcing you to do or not do anything, we can't abide by that, we must still oppose them'
Why does the atheist brick-thrower look the same as Josh Wheaton from the first movie???
What if it is josh wheaton
It's his long lost evil twin, Jack Schneider.
God's Not Dead...but Pastor Jude is. R.I.P. :'(
I see what you did there ;)
Josh Wheaton? Could that be a reference to a certain celebrity atheist?
Clones bruh.
I can't get over the fact I got an ad for PureFlix AND Trump on this video
The real kicker? Eminent Domain is used more often by right wing allied actors (most who are Christians themselves) than anyone else (for fossil fuel company pipelines the most prevalent in modern times).
Big time projection
The "God's not Dead" movies would be hilarious, if the horrible propaganda, misrepresentation of people, aggressive anti anyone who isn't a certain type of Christian message, and persecution narrative weren't so strong that they became horrifying instead.
One day people pushing religious ideas and themes will stop using dishonest tactics and techniques... but we aren't anywhere near there yet.
Too bad that the only way they can pedal their beliefs as absolute truth is through lies and misrepresentations
Also, the only time in which the minds of the obdurate will change, is upon being pronounced dead, when they have not even the mind to reconcile the falsehood that was their entire life.
Funny isn't it? The nature of the unfalsifiable?
"Oppression Tourism"
This is an amazing and concise way to describe this midset that seems to be growing in popularity recently. Thanks for that :P
I like how there are some people in the comments hypothesising a possible lesbian relationship between Aisha and that blonde girl because of that one out of context clip from the first movie
Honestly, it seems like a movie made entirely about that relationship would be better than GND.
@@bluedragonfly8139 Amen.
God's Not Dead Episode 4: Morman Boogaloo
Gods not dead:god strikes back
Church good, state bad
Ooga booga
Not wrong
@@todd2.08 ok.
No , Church is the rightful state . They all believe this is a Christian country .
Four legs good, two legs bad
Fire BAD!
I know im very late here, but I can’t not comment my thoughts.
I was a Christian growing up and for many years as an adult. I can absolutely confirm that God’s not Dead 3 is not an intentional parody, but an attempt to inject genuine issues without actually making the correct changes. It’s saying “hey! We hear people when they criticize the church!” But it never actually adapts. That’s why it feels at war with itself. Normal rhetoric doesn’t fit with the real criticism, but they pretend acknowledging it is enough
“Heartbroken Atheist Boy”
Lmao me
💀💀
Gasp! Student unions?! True evil!
*in a thicc southern accent*
Thats where the students do their Satan Magic and homosexual heresies
@@MistCellaneous-5 Not to mention "Union" = "COMMUNISM!"
Alan Bareiro *cue aggressive soviet anthem*
15:50 Here's what you may be missing: the first two GnDs are centered around ripped-from-the-headlines pop-culture *myths*, the professor who teaches atheism, and the teacher punished for mentioning God. Neither exists, but both myths stem from an anxiety about being persecuted, right?
GnD3 is also about a pop-culture persecution myth, ancillary to Evangelical Christianity, but not to an overlapping ideology: that of the social (Southern) conservative. That is, the belief that one's symbols are being attacked by students or "outsiders". This is more a reference to Charlottesville and its aftermath, and so I think it makes more sense to look at the narrative from that perspective. You have to recognize that for a lot of Evangelical Christians, their religion is indistinguishable from other cultural markers. The internal conflicts within the church (over abuse, intolerance of divorce, racism) are a parallel to the internal conflicts within conservatism over the Civil War, between the mythical "Lost Cause" of southern culture, independence, and gentility, and the historical reality of the CSA's foundational bedrock of white supremacy. Addendum: In a way, I think this is northern evangelicals saying "Just like our Southern brethren need to stop clinging to things that hold them in the past that keep them from moving forward (even though we all know it's fine fundamentally), so do we, whether it's a statue of Lee or an old-fashioned church where no one wants it. Time to move to the 'burbs!" Idk, I could be wrong, but the university professor sure talked about that church like a middle-of-the-road mayor talking about a Confederate monument.
That's an insightful point!
If you're right about the "lost cause" business then the use of the name Jude may have been significant on that level too, as St. Jude is the patron saint of lost causes.
That honestly makes so much sense. Through this whole video I was confused by people saying the church was too controversial or lead to violence. Nothing that happens in the movie supports that. If you read it though as a stand in for confederate monuments though everything falls into place. People (myself included) do think confederate monuments stand for violence and controversy by their very nature and this films plays into the conservative fear of the same tactics and logic being applied to other elements of "traditional" southern life.
Interesanté
Sully 1991* "People do think Confederate monuments stand for violence and controversy by their very nature"
I want to know what you think should be done about it and what criteria you would use to define an "offensive statue/monument".
They should have gone with the original draft.
God's Not Dead Resurrection- The Search For God
Where they travel to space in order to find physical proof of God not being dead.
"Space: The Final Frontier. We will find out if God is alive...or die trying."
Holy crap, I would pay to see that in theaters.
Did they just expect to go into the milky way and find a stone tablet with *GOD* carved on it?
It would have been a better story, might not have sold as well..
Side note, your avi's Garry right?
@@CoryTheNorm It would be funnier if he died of auto-erotic asphyxiation. Just some planet's ring around his giant neck with a telescope pointed to some brothel from like the year 1000AD.
Haruhiro Grimgar God died from wanking? That explains alot about men.
I was an atheist in college and I loved the chapel on campus because I used it as a quiet place to nap between classes or to study. People rarely came in and I don't think they really gave a shit about its presence on campus. These movies live in a fantasy world.
Gods not dead 4 : "is it still not obvious we're straw manning everyone ? Cause we'll make it super clear this time"
God's Not Dead is my favorite anime
(i did the joke where you take a ridiculous piece of non-anime media and ironically refer to it as being anime, are you proud of me Big Joelius Caesar)
I don't know how Joe feels about you, but I am proud of you.
You say it's a joke, but this is clearly the rather well-known anime Neon Genesis Evangelion. It has Evangelicals and is as surreal as NGE's reputation suggests, what else could it be?
ahh Nichijou
Neon Genesis Evangelion is my favorite Christian movie ;)
What I found funny is that this is a movie clearly made by and for evangelicals, but the church looks so mainline protestant/catholic/episcopalian. Also there is a choir/acolytes in traditional choir dress sitting next to Dave when he is preaching in church, while Dave is wearing regular lay clothes at 00:10.
You know what is the worst part? This gimmick of "Christians VS Atheists" would give a great movie if done right. But here everything seems so artificial and stupid that you can't take any situation seriously. Yeah, there is some groups and organizations that openly opposes themselves against christian, but both the Christians and their opposers has some deep motivations to do that, and none of these motivations involves stupid things like bulldozing churches.
And the "villain" plan is the most imbecile thing I heard about: I mean, you decide to bulldoze a church right after another church gets burned down. Don't you think this could look, I mean, a bit suspicious?
@@Ivytheherbert - Right, but that kind of stuff would activate a horde of insurance investigators to descend on the college -- "Oh, so this place just **happened** to burn down, & now you just **happen** to want to bulldoze it & put in something else? My, how...convenient. We're going to have to see every communication that your board has had on this subject, all financial records for the property going back the last 20 years, & we're getting out our spelunking gear, so bend over & spread..."
As a Buddhist, I never know if I should be relieved or bothered that these movies are always "Christians vs. Atheists" and non-Christian religions (except sometimes Muslims) apparently don't exist in the black and white world these movies take place in.
Oh my, crazy idea:
What if this film series is attempting a very slow form of Street Epistomology? What if, by film 5 or 6, they will be okay with Secularism? What if they will promote tolerance and acceptance for all? What if they are de-converting their flock?!
Maybe they are insidiously brilliant, building up an audience only to slowly and eventually convert them to rational skepticism!!?
A fella can dream...
Great video! I had this strange feeling all throughout the whole thing, and then I realized! The church this was filmed at was our chapel when I was in elementary school. Lol the scene at 13:32 is literally the inside of that old chapel and I haven't seen it in years. Turns out this whole thing was shot in my hometown! What a small world haha
good shit Joel
ohshitwaddup, Peter!
.... Wow you weren't kidding when you said people were obsessed with your girlfriend
+Big Boy Dan Cannon "Remember GamerGate" has to be the lamest war cry.
@@EmeraldMinnie THE FEMENAIS ARE GOING TO TAKE MY WAIFU GAME REEEEEEEEE
Peter Coffin h
I like how the movie is like “everyone hates us Christians” hmm maybe it’s because you seem to hate anyone else who has contradicting beliefs. Like try being a pagan sis
Or just nicer. That works too.
it talks about in the Bible that it's the Lords loving kindness that draws us near to Him, that's what many Christians fail to see and to live by. Jesus gave us two commandments the first is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. and the second greatest is to love one another as you love yourself. I'll admit there's alot of "religious" people out there who condemn others for committing sin but Jesus said to love you enemies not to condemn them.
as a christian i think yeah christians shouldn't push there beliefs to everyone who doesn't want to
Being a polytheist, I agree with you.
The Christians who hate anyone who isn’t a Christian aren’t the face of the church, or rather, they shouldn’t be. Jesus hung out with prostitutes and drunks, “the healthy do not need a doctor” He is the doctor for the sick, the sinners (I.e you and me and the pagan next door) following His example should entail that we treat the sick with the medicine of The Love of Christ, He asked us to love our enemy’s and instead we hate both our friends and enemy’s. That’s all religion, a relationship with Christ and a heart for Him, is all we need. Not a church building or some attempt to seem oppressed (which may happen in some cases but not all that frequently)
I was unaware that atheism had an agenda. But it seems like Chrstianity has always had an agenda. At least the intsitutuion aspect of it.
Some atheist groups have an agenda . But in general its not a dues charging club with a roll call . Its just a state of being come to in both rational and irrational ways that they reject religion and belief in deities .
I tend to classify some of these groups as militant antitheists . They are that uncle at the family reunion no one hugs or makes small talk to . Some other's agenda are simply to fight for the rights of atheists . Most atheists though just go about their lives with no one knowing their stance on gods .
*institution
@@piepang7323 honest question; what idols are you speaking about? I realize this is an older comment, but the authentic Catholic Church doesn't worship idols (the Pope has a specific procedure to follow before anything is to be considered infallible and in matters of doctrine and teaching only; I don't recall hearing that procedure being employed in this matter, as a sidenote). On the concept of being born again, have you made a complete confession or otherwise sought advice on this with a mentor or pastor you can trust? In my own experience, being Catholic or Christian in general is more about one's relationship with God, the people around you, and learning to know Him better. It sounds to me like you're on the right path if you wish to continue with Christianity in general, let alone Catholicism. Take some time to reflect on it, and seek out someone you trust for advice if you haven't already. Hope this helps!
@@piepang7323 sorry but conspiracy theory channels aren't doing any favors. Priests having authority to, as an agent of God through the sacraments, absolve a confessor and assign penance is a basic doctrine this guy is incorrect on. If you have access to a catechism, please avail yourself of one if you wish to learn more. I'm willing to agree there have been controversial stances from Francis in particular
When it comes to films like this, the biggest issue I have is that they try to create a divide that isn't there between faith and a lack of faith. Religion can, and is almost certainly often a personal experience and everyone has their own views about it, but rather than trying to show a positive side to faith and promote peace and acceptance for everyone it instead tries to demonize any group that isn't strictly Christian, and make Christians out to be victims with situations that would never realistically happen. A philosophy professor would never try to be so certain about a lack of a god, and would especially not be interested in trying to force a specific worldview of any kind on their students (philosophy is meant to be the examination of many world views and abstract concepts, the exact opposite of saying only one exists).
I don't have any issues with faith, and I wouldn't call myself unfaithful myself, but I do think a lot of these films either disregard any possibility of a contradiction that religious freedom requires a government that distances itself sufficiently from all religions (or at the very least treats them all equally), or that it has to frame any rationale that tries to "balance the scales" of faith is an attack on Christianity. It's even more confusing when it seems to create nonsense situations in order to promote these ideas. I don't see any real reason why secularism and Christianity has to be at war, and I don't understand the purpose of trying to frame it as any kind of war when it seems like most people simply want to give people the capacity to follow their own faith or lack thereof, whatever that might be, in ways that do not infringe on the ability for others to do the same.
While none of my professors denied God (quite the opposite in fact, the ones who mentioned God mentioned Him as though He is real), my friend's brother claimed that he had a professor that said to his class, unprompted, "We all know God's not real." Now, could my ftoend's brother have been lying? Maybe, but I don't think so. The truth is, every professor has some sort of code or belief system and even the ones who try hard to be unbiased usually end up teaching their students to have at least some of these values. So yes, there are professors out there who might push atheism, albeit not very many.
"my all time favorite PAstOR dAvE" your videos are so calming and yet always manage to make me laugh
Christian America "Waahhhh we're the victims"
Also Christian America "We're dripping in so much money we don't know what to do with it"
What? A GND film that isn't totally rubbish propaganda, but has a modicum of introspection about the Christian persecution narrative? Imagine my shock. Thanks for the video!
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It's about time they saw to the log in their own eye.
It's almost as if I could imagine your shock.
.....except it throws that introspection the the wayside for more “muh persecution” bullshit.
Bazinga
modicum [ˈmɒdɪkəm]
noun > a small quantity of a particular thing, especially something desirable or valuable.
"his statement had a modicum of truth"
I mean this is an old video BUT
When I was in high school from 07 to 11 there was actually a push to not teach evolution and instead teach creationism and given the town I was in creationism won and no one in my graduating class and a few classes after us never learned evolution just creationism. So when I hear Christians bitchimg about being taken down I kind of cringe because like they are the reason I had to wait until college to learn about it on a professional level not just reading about it. No pity for Christians they pushed their rhetoric down everyone's throats in a public school for years.
This is pretty much the opposite reading Renegade Cut had. I was kinda annoyed you both had uploaded a video about this movie in the span of a few days but you did an excellent job of providing a unique viewpoint. Your voice is sweeter anyway.
It's telling that this movie actually dialled back the ridiculous persecution narrative the other movies had, and it didn't do as well as them.
With most people that I know, I don't have to constantly remind myself over and over "he's not dead...HE'S NOT DEAD!! HE'S ALIVE!! HE'S *NOT* DEAD!!!!" I've only really seen people resort to that when they're a lunatic desperately clinging to delusions.
"Death of Chrisian propaganda."
Literally gets an ad about the blonde and glasses kid from Home Alone having some connection with God.
Henry I love your work dearly but I think it’s possible you’re giving the people who write these movies too much credit here
Judging by Wikipedia article, the third movie is written and directed by Michael Mason, while the first two movies are both written by Chuck Konzelman, Cary Solomon and directed by Harold Cronk. Considering that the films are done by different people, what if the third one really is a satire of the whole series?
You picked apart what seems to be a mess of a movie extremely well and delivered your analysis with alot of clarity. Your channel is fast becoming one of the top video essay channels out there and I look forward to more content 😊
Not many years ago I was at a school where one of my teachers loved to talk about god in her non-Jesus related class and nobody got onto her for it.
I had 2 high school teachers (one was a substitute) who were preachers/pastors/whatever they're called. the Sub had to actually tell us, and even then we were all super suprised. the actual tenured teacher was so obvious that he skipped to all the parts of the english textbook that contained religious allegories, and made us read psalms, and nothing else...
Listening to this well-reasoned, intelligently structured, eloquently delivered video essay made me feel extremely mature; stifling a giggle every time you casually drop the word 'schlooble' did not.
The thing that bothers me about these movies is their always the victim. They act like America is against Christianity but that couldn’t be farther than the truth!
I just hate these movies.
But I love you, Joel. That's why I watch these.
I forgive you.
"Jeff the Profeff"
Lmfao
For me the double narrative a bit like a queerbaiting. Some people will interpret the film like the two before: Christians are prosecuted by the government and some will see it as a self deconstruction of the series. Just like when some people watch cap America and Bucky doing their bromance they see a great and moving friendship when others see gayness
I dunno, some writers push queerbait to form of art (not like the accidental suggestion of gayness like in the Avengers saga). Why can't the same happens in the GND trilogy?
Are you asking God's Not Dead to add a homosexuality reference, or what are you talking about?
They're deconstruction-baiting. Planting seeds that it's self aware and satirizing itself in order to attract a non-evangelical audience while staying ambiguous enough to promote the persecution complex that the first two movies had.
Jesus, Bro!
@Jehovah You can...look it up on Google.
You know queerbaiting is a bad thing because it's a way for people to avoid actual representation
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