Anti Abortion Propaganda | Big Joel
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Today we're gonna talk about the Pureflix Propaganda film Unplanned! woo
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Footnote 1: I just wanted to add a footnote here to clarify: I’m not trying to imply here that all chemical abortions go off without a hitch. A friend talked to me about it and had a bad experience, so if you had one of those, I’m not here to tell you that it’s an easy or fun thing in all cases. The amount of pain and bleeding it causes seems to vary a lot. I’m just saying, Planned Parenthood doesn’t lie about the side effects of their medication or treat the suffering of its clients as unimportant. At least, I’ve found no evidence to suggest that is the case.
Footnote 2: So, I’m well aware that both these guys probably know full well that the argument they’re making won’t convince pro lifers. Cody no doubt doesn’t actually think he’s going to get Ben Shapiro, and an extremely important point in Ian’s videos is that this argument would NEVER convince pro lifers, because conservatives are broadly more concerned with punishing evil than actually doing something about the problem. But here, I want to make a distinction. A distinction between an argument that is likely to persuade people and an intellectually persuasive argument. We all intuitively understand that this is a meaningful distinction, right. We know that there’s no way to convince a flat earther that the earth is round, but we also know that the arguments we can provide for the roundness of the earth are very good. That if the flat earther was thinking rationally and cared about the evidence, he would accept that he was wrong. The problem I have with these arguments is not that they wouldn’t actually persuade real pro lifers. I know that I probably haven’t done that myself. Rather, my problem is that they aren’t intellectually persuasive. They accept the terms of pro lifers insofar as that they assume, for the sake of argument, that abortion is something people might rationally want to reduce. But they ignore the actual problem pro lifers have with them, that they think, on some level at least, that fetuses are people and that ending their lives is murder. If you really accept that, then your argument to ban abortion is as simple as the words “I believe murder should be socially prohibited, outlawed in some way.” And that’s just not a particularly hard claim to defend. Most people would agree with it. In other words, pro lifers don’t think abortions are like driving your car too fast or shoplifting, they think it’s a very important problem. And so, saying “well if we did this social thing, we’d at least reduce them somewhat.” it’s just not a good enough case. It’s not just that it wouldn’t persuade pro lifers, it’s that it shouldn’t persuade them because it’s not persuasive. It’s for this reason, by the way, that I make the case here that our argument for abortion needs to be as simple as “abortions are fine. They’re not a Big Moral Problem that needs solving. The core assumption of the pro life argument is wrong.” - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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what’s the piano song in the background
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Here in Brazil, there was a case of a 10-year-old girl who suffered continuous sexual abuse from her uncle and got pregnant. Her case only became public when the conservative media outlets started to publish it only because her case got thrown into court to allow her to get a legal abortion (in Brazil there´s no Planned Parenthood, and the only way to legally do an abortion is in cases of rape, bad formation of the fetus, and in case of the mother´s health being in danger). The first news about her case were demonizing even the idea of an abortion, even though it was a 10-year-old child. Fortunately, she was able to go through the procedure, but it infuriated a big part of the catholic and christian community. They were more upset and angry about the abortion than the fact that she was abused. In the day of the surgery, the girl´s info got leaked by an extreme right terrorist and people were surrounding the hospital protesting against the surgery and verbally attacking the doctor who volunteered to perform the surgery. They even got as far as calling THE VICTIM a murderer. What pissed me off about the whole incident was that they were madder with the doctor and the justice than they were with the abuser, like they literally ignored the abuser.
I remember hearing about that. I have no idea how anyone could do that to anybody, let alone a child. It's too cruel.
That tells you all you need to know about where their morals really are. For people that claim to care so much about children, they sure have no problem with them being used for perverts or being raised in horrible conditions.
I remember something similar happening in argentina. Sadly, the girl was unable to get an abortion and both her and the baby died. It was fucked up, how it could all have been prevented...
This was infuriating to read. Holy shit, society failed that poor young girl. That's exactly how right-wingers want societies to run
imagine actually seeing a pregnant 10 year old and thinking she should have to keep the baby... shit is wack
“Abortion is our fries and soda” is the funniest line ever to grace cinema and I can’t believe that actress was able to say it without breaking character.
Hamlet Derby great delivery too...
It makes a lot more sense when you realize every actor in that movie is against abortion and probably think those things are actually literally true.
Killing the poor and the sick is America's fries and soda and letting the rich get more powerful is their socialism. Hypocrisy from the right as always.
It really does though? over 600,00 Abortions are done per year? Woman brag about having an Abortion?
@@MaximusOrthodox And? There's 8 billion people on this planet. Who cares. No one should have to raise a mistake. Or pay the punishment for a mistake. Life isn't sacred. Life is only precious given the circumstances you have the means to be on board with it. Like consent.
trying to make it sound like abortion is grabbing the baby and strangling it while it tries to escape is insane
@@proudheartstudio maybe dont assume my gender cuz you got it wrong.
How about you quickly summarize how an abortion is done if you know so well? Describe the surgical and the pill version for me. Guess what? Both end with a dead baby
I mean it IS pulling body parts out onto a tray.
is it wrong i imagined an angry homer simpson choking a fetus with his bare hands
@@shortcatofficial2137 lmaoooo 😂😂
That's the whole "pro life" movement for ya
I saw this in theaters with my parents. I was 12. And for the first half of the movie, I thought it was supposed to be advertising abortion, because it looked like the main character had a good life because of her career. So in the theater, halfway through the movie, I leaned over to my Christian, far right pro-life mom and whispered “Do you think I could become an abortionist when I grow up?”
what did she say
@@mcplumpkin6191 she didn’t say anything, just looked at me with disappointment
@@monikorasort unfortunate
That backfired times a million.
this is so funny, thank you for this story
The mother of a friend of mine believes that babies born via caesarean-section don't have souls. I've never been able to figure out if that means they loose their souls, or that only by sliding down the birth canal is when the soul is installed...
Yay I don't have a soul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Souls are added to the baby at the soul-depositor next to the clitoris.
Omg... this thread... I cant breathe lol
Ahhaha I'm gonna tell my brother he doesn't have a soul xd
ERROR soul.exe has not been installed
The "barrels of fetuses" thing was weird. That's not how medical waste is handled.
True. There are so, so many regulations on the handling, storage, and disposal of medical waste, particularly human tissue. That part of the movie was wild.
Yes, it is.
@@Matthew-pw3ng Medical waste is _not_ stored in barrels, outside. There are several governing bodies that control how medical waste is stored and disposed of, and none allow that sort of haphazard behavior shown in the propaganda film.
My research doesn't even involve _human_ tissue and we still have a slew of regulations dictating lab procedures for biohazard materials.
@@Matthew-pw3ng hope you get better soon
@@Matthew-pw3ng have you ever even seen a barrel of human waste? Do you think you can dumpster dive for human fatty tissue like in Fight Club?
another thing to add to the “abortion is our fries and soda” idea is that planned parenthood provides BIRTH CONTROL. birth control = less pregnancy = less abortions. make it make sense
Funnily enough abortion went up when birth control became more accessible. The truth of the matter is the sexual revolution is the source of all this.
Abortion is birth control. It literally stops a baby from its birth
They mention that at the beginning of the movie but never bring it up again. For the rest of the movie they portray Planned Parenthood as mainly an abortion clinic that is dead set on doing more of that. It’s ridiculous.
Do you think abortion is good? Because if so, why do you care about having something that reduces abortion?
@@adriannedeforest8511 not exactly good, but a necessity
The husband is just like “Have a good day at the baby murder factory babe. I kinda wish you’d stop though.”
This is the thing. As horrible and cruel as planned parenthood protestors are, they’re at least honest. They act according to their beliefs. If you believed a hospital was doing baby murder, then you too would stand outside and harass anyone who went inside.
But most pro life people sub consciously understand that what they think is stupid. They associate with pro choice people, passive aggressively disagreeing with them but still acknowledging and treating them like people.
You’d never do that to an actual murderer because that’s insane.
absolutely love the fact that during operation scenes none of the nurses are wearing hairnets because god forbid these women not perform feminity 24/7
I think that was just a slip-up, or to demonstrate how 'unsafe' Planned Parenthood is.
rarely see that in general in movies or tv
Like how they wake up after a full night's rest in full hair/makeup?
@@DrVein they could have slept in makeup...which is gross but still?
@@gvtterslag If you sleep in make up it's going to be totally ruined and smudged in the morning
Is anyone gonna talk about how that scene where the fetus is trying to escape abortion looks like that one dorito ad
lmfao i thought that looked familiar
it's also an ultrasound of a literal full-term fetus, which wouldn't be aborted under any circumstances
Not the dorito baby 😢
Here’s the Doritos video
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@@dimthecat9418 hey. Hey what. What the fuck. What the fuck is going on in US advetisements. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea. Hey.
I remember my parents took me to this movie and I came out of it like, "imma go volunteer for planned Parenthood" because I was skeptical of the claims made, and my parents were like "this isn't where we wanted this to go"
Based
Based
Based and contraceptive-pilled
@@Technotoadnotafrog adsfdjkd no joke, i’ve been laughing at that for like 30 seconds 😂
So what did you learn from volunteering at PP that discredited the claims in the movie? Or is this just something you made up that didn't actually happen
I’m convinced there isn’t a single “pro-lifer” who actually understands the medical processes of abortion. Like, no pro-lifer has ever actually portrayed or described any type of abortion in even a remotely realistic way.
Then you're both stupid, and wrong 😂. Seriously though, we circulate videos of actual live procedures
Because the entire ideology of the pro-life movement relies on lies. If they actually told the truth and had good-faith debates they would lose every single time
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 really? Please point me to pro-life movements circulating honest and accurate information about abortion.
@@samuelbrown3405 This is ironic. I am neither "pro-life" nor "pro-choice", but I have witnessed (and sometimes taken part in) countless on-line debates about abortion over the years, and I can assure you that the most ignorance and dishonesty comes from the "pro-choice" side. By far. It's not even a close contest. The "pro-choice" people will come out with such ludicrous falsehoods as - and I'm paraphrasing, here, but accurately - "A foetus is not alive," "A foetus is just a clump of cells," "A foetus cannot feel anything," and even, "A foetus is part of its mother." And that's just the basics - ranging from at least partially wrong to spectacularly wrong - before we even get to anything more specific that might require more than a passing familiarity with basic, school-level biology.
"Pro-life" people certainly can say things that are just as stupid, of course, but only if they happen to make a religious statement, which despite much "pro-choice" propaganda to the contrary, is by no means always the case, and even when they do that, it tends to be not a central part of their actual argument. (In my experience, it is _rarely_ the case that a "pro-life" person will make an explicitly religious argument, even in cases where they do happen to be religious.)
I won't go so far as to say the entire ideology of the pro-choice movement is based on lies, because there is one honest argument that I see from the pro-choice side, and it's a particularly powerful one. The only problem with it is that it is so blatantly _right-wing:_ it is the argument that nobody has any moral responsibility to look after anyone but themselves. Actually, to be fair, it's that nobody has the moral responsibility to allow anyone else to use their _body._ It works, in a way, but it sits uncomfortably with every other principle that is seen as belonging to the political left: that every one of us has a responsibility to act collectively look after each other; that we want to ensure that everyone's basic needs are met; that we should side with the powerless against those who have power over them. Having a weak and vulnerable child killed to avoid having to continue to provide sustenance for them violates all three of those principles. The idea that "nobody has the right to use my body" is an argument that would sit far more comfortably alongside ideas like "nobody has the right to step on my land" (so I can shoot trespassers if I want) and "nobody has the right to take my money" (so I can shoot the tax collector too), which are always seen as very right-wing. This is a digression, I admit, but it never ceases to amaze me that people don't see that the "pro-choice" position is a right-wing position.
@@omp199 Oh get absolutely fucked, you disingenuous fuckmuppet. "I'm not pro-life or pro-choice, but I'm going to spew explicitly pro-life bullshit talking points."
Hey dipshit, you know all of those things that you claim are "dishonest" about the pro-choice side? Yeah, those are actually backed up by facts and science.
B Movie Planned Parenthood: "Abortion is our fries and soda."
My last brain cell: "They're eating the fetus?"
Eatus the fetus
Me and the lads going to get some adrenochrome top-ups.
LMAO!!!!
my edgy last brain cell: hey I thought that's what your enemies do lmao
Fetuses are great with cheese
I used to go to Planned Parenthood for birth control and checkups. The staff was always kind. The only part that sucked, was having baby killer screamed at me by the forced birthers who hung out across the street.
There was a group that used to hang out right outside my high school they would give you free hot dogs and then at the bottom of the little paper they would put pictures of dead fetus and botched abortions it didn’t really work tho cause people would take the free food and throw the paper away so they decided to go around the parking lot putting abstains and fetus pictures on peoples cars eventually it became such a big deal that they were no longer allowed on school property they responded to that by harassing our principal for “being a worldly person and a baby killer “even tho the principal was literally a devout catholic who just didn’t want his students to be uncomfortable in school basically you can’t win with these guys
That is wild that they thought it was ok to do that in the first place! I never knew they were slinking around highschools. Of course, they probably didn’t have any pamphlets about birth control, even though that would prevent an abortion in the first place.
That sucks. I'm really sorry. So many people don't realize that most of what PP does is birth control, sex ed, testing, and community outreach. It's called "planned" for a reason. No many people know this but they also *help* people get pregnant, too
seriously, when i went to planned parenthood for hrt they had to have tons of security to keep those ppl out, i was rly worried someone would yell at me or attack me or my sis
yeah last time I went to planned parenthood these old white ladies came outta nowhere telling me that they could help me. I almost knocked that old jackass down how the fuck your religious pamplets gon help me get an std/hiv test fucking idiots. no empathy for me no empathy for you. and I couldn't help but think they were making the abortion assumption because I'm black
i'm jewish. comparing abortion to the holocaust is one of the most disgusting things someone can say. they're saying that my death is just as sad as the death of a clump of cells.
Next time one of those religious people try to bother you, use the following argument: If a hospitalized person's brain is dead, this person is medically and legally dead, and ventilatory support can be immediately withdrawn, EVEN IF their heart muscle was still beating (such withdrawal is not murder), which means that life doesn't start at the cardiac muscle or any other muscle in your body, but in your brain, and even though that brain-dead body has DNA and cells and even a beating cardiac muscle, it still doesn't mean it's alive. (according to both medicine and law).
So, given that we're not God, we can only approximate when "life" (consciousness) starts. According to the Scientific American, consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation.
And less than 1% of abortions happen after the 24th week, let alone the 28th because "abortions" at those periods are simply premature births.
And yet, if Moses or the unknown author knew about abortions, he would've banned it too, much like all the laws in the Old Testament (and church father quotes) that control women's bodies or mischaracterize women as Eve's based on earlier myths circulating the Old Middle Eastern region. Those earlier creation myths had three things in common: humans were made out of clay, knowledge and self-awareness are a pivot, and woman is the blame for the fall and suffering of the world. COMPLETELY coincidental, right?
Moses or the unknown author were simply trying to deify their own culture, be that the validity of child marriage (a prerogative right for men at the time) or the validity of homophobia or transphobia (Deutronomy 22) and a power-thirsty need for control of humans they considered property. It is clear that those men nowadays are just following in Moses's legacy and it is no surprise.
Even according to the Bible, Jesus died and sacrificed himself and carried a cross, not because anyone forced him to, but because he CHOSE to. Choice is what gives any love or sacrifice meaning.
Oh boy, wait 'til you hear about anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, transphobes, homophobes, racists, sexists, and pretty much everyone else with terrible views using that historical genocide as an easy out to portray themselves as victims.
clump of cells with a heart brain and spinal cord yeah just a clump of cells. also do you not think about the millions of german teenagers who were forced to fight in the war who did not want to? do their lives not matter to you?
A brain dead patient is distinct from an embryo or fetus in a number of relevant ways. A brain dead patient is a corpse with no hope of recovery. A fetus is on a clear developmental trajectory through all stages of the human lifecycle and is more like a patient we are seeing making a complete recovery in hospital than a brain dead patient
@@justinaacuriouswanderer1496 Consciousness is not a prerequisite for life. Many living things are not conscious.
I'm a trans guy who goes to Planned Parenthood for HrT. Literally, the nicest, kindest folks I've ever met. They made sure I knew everything I needed to know, gave me seven pages to read through to make sure I wanted to go with it, and in fact, I did. I'm a month on now, and I get calls from them making sure I'm alright. PP is wonderful.
that sounds like a nice place to get hrt from
for the record, im not american, i have little to no idea who planned parenthood are, just, from your description of it
@@squibble311 it’s a public reproductive and sexual health clinic that provides access to trans affirming healthcare, STD/STI tests, lots of different types of birth control, cervical cancer and other reproductive cancer screenings, and provides access to abortion. it’s a seriously wonderful service that is constantly under attack because the evangelical conservatives can’t stop salivating over the idea of making the handmaid’s tale a reality.
Yup, they've added a whole new business - now, they exploit the mentally ill too!
I'm trans too and I can relate to this a lot! but why didn't you capitalize the R in HRT!!!!?!????!!! blasphemy.... /j
So because they're nice to their customers abortion is ok? I don't follow that logic, please explain.
I love when people say the baby could have been a doctor. You could easily flip it and say the baby could have been a serial killer or something like that.
@Humanity Galatica I think you're missing the part about it being a murder
LOL, you should tell those pro-lifers: that baby could become an aborter.
Exactly, you could say an unborn fetus could be a saviour of an entire nation so much as you could say they can become a man as bad as Hitler
I had a math teacher (yeah, math teacher) once read us an email copypasta about "What if Jesus was aborted?" And I remember thinking, "Well, what if Hitler was aborted?"
But they never talk about that part
@@AntheanCeilliers If Jesus was aborted most likely the pro life movement was a lot smaller these days.
As someone who's dabbled in vegetarianism and veganism, I can confirm that having frank conversations about exactly what does and doesn't count as murder is extremely difficult and unpleasant and rather do basically anything else
Yes, I found it interesting that all of the characteristics Big Joel associates with "personhood" apply to animals. I wonder if he's vegan or just morally inconsistent like most of us.
@Nectar Vam as someone who went vegan for like a week and ate like 4 boxes of oreos in that time-yes. vegans/vegetarians can be gluttons lol
Glad I'm not the only one who's said "please kill me" in the middle of one of those conversations.
Hey xidnaf fancy seeing you here
Relatable. I think its a unique type of vegan that fits the stereotype of strident sjw that is always talking about animal rights and the fact that they're vegan. I've been vegan for almost 4 years now and the issues is so intransigent that there has never been anything I would want to talk about less.
Pro Life people: life begins at conception
Ancient Japan: yeah, kids aren't fully human until 7 so if you wanna return to sender, go for it
that makes ancient japan, and virtually every people group, culpable in evil infanticide.
@alephnaught8343 ehh what are ya gonna do about it, the past's a different country and so is Japan so that's like different country squared
@@alephnaught8343is a joke comment my guy, why you getting so emotional LOL
@@alephnaught8343 7 is not an infant bro learn math
@@alephnaught8343Eh, arguments can be made for it
As someone raised in a conservative, Christian household, and as somehow who was pro life for 30 years, here are the things that caused me to change my stance to fully pro choice.
1. You hit on this one first thing. So much of banning abortion rests on philosophy, or when life actually begins. There’s no one to show scientifically when a soul comes into being, so it comes down to a religious viewpoint. And it’s utterly ridiculous to expect laws to be made because “the Bible says” yada yada… I should never expect anyone else to be held accountable to my religious beliefs if they don’t hold the same beliefs.
2. There’s no way to draw a clear line between medically necessary abortion, and elective abortion. Listening to any medical doctor who practices womens healthcare will educate a person on how nuanced the issue is. And banning abortion will absolutely, inevitably cause harm to women needing abortion for medical purposes. How can I, as someone who believes God loves everyone equally, say it’s bad to cause harm to someone needing abortion, but throw women electing for abortion under the figurative bus? If abortion is banned, women will die. Who am I to say the unborn fetus is worth more than the life of a woman? There is no way to draw an absolute line as to when abortion is “ok” and when it isn’t.
3. If roe v wade is overturned, the people most affected will be the marginalized. Some states may still provide abortion services, but that does mean everyone will be able to afford to take time off work and travel for these services, and in some cases find childcare.
4. Embryos and young fetuses cannot possibly feel pain, or have self awareness, in the way so many prolifers and Christians are taught. They’ll argue the heart starts beating at 25 days into pregnancy. No. The cells that will eventually form a working heart begin responding to electrical signals. Not at all the same thing. There is no nervous system at that time, and throughout early pregnancy. The embryo/fetus cannot feel pain if the nervous system is not developed.
5. If prolifers really wanted to lessen abortion, they would support comprehensive, age appropriate sex education. It’s cute they think not telling young teenagers about sex will keep them from having it. If kids are going to do it no matter what, and they are, then they need to know everything about how sex, pregnancy,contraception, gender identity, and so forth work. And contraceptives need to be available easily and freely and at low or no cost. I also firmly believe that if proper womens healthcare, including abortion, is available widely, we would see a reduction in abortion after the first trimester.
Just some of my thoughts on the matter that helped me to see beyond my upbringing.
It's nice to see someone of faith have a viewpoint similar to mine, it feels hard sometimes.
@@briangrosenbach I think the progressive Christian movement is gaining momentum, but there's a lot of evangelical/ fundamentalist nonsense to overcome as far as how non Christians see the Christian religion. I'm sure there are people of other faiths who would also identify as progressive.
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It's weird to hear the "nice" pro-life woman say, "We can't force them to do anything." But actually, that is exactly what she wants to do! If she wants abortion to be illegal or unavailable, then people would be forced into carrying unwanted pregnancies. Being nice about it doesn't change the inherent coercion in their position.
@ChrisFarmer One common trope I’ve noticed is that pro-lifers refuse to accept that their legislation will force pregnant people to stay pregnant and give birth. Apparently, the act of a person, with a fully functioning uterus and ovaries, having sex and being pregnant against their wishes means that they should “face the consequences” of that. I’ve had pro-lifers say that a person who consented to sex CANNOT be pregnant “against their will”, because of their choice to have sex.
It makes no sense and just demonstrates that their true motive is to punish (mostly) women for having sex.
If anything it makes it more sinister. Christians have a very creepy brand of 'nice'.
That is christian bread and butter. Very nicely and politely condemning your entire existence
It's glaring that they can't see it. Like they can't even comprehend that the argument "we can't force them" makes no god-damned sense when you understand she seems to think that she can, and is actively trying, to force people to not have abortions. So apparently she can't force the angry bigot to be nicer, oh but she tots can force the women to not have abortions.
They want "nice" cops and "nice" landlords and "nice" bosses. They don't care about the coercion, they just care about aesthetics.
I often see that a lot of pro-life people fight so hard for fetuses to be born but they don't show that same vigor after they are born. They fight so hard for the unborn but care little about the living.
In the timeless words of Adin Ballou,
I have covenanted to forsake all and follow Him, through good and evil report, until
death. But I am nevertheless a Democratic Republican citizen of the United States,
implicitly sworn to bear true allegiance to my country, and to support its Constitution, if need be, with my life. Jesus Christ requires me to do unto others as I would that others should do unto me. The Constitution of the United States requires me to
do unto all working people
the very opposite of what I would
have them do unto me, viz., assist to keep them in a grievous bondage… But I am
quite easy. I vote on. I help govern on. I am willing to hold any office I may be elected
to under the Constitution. And I am still a Christian. I profess on. I find no difficulty in keeping covenant both with Christ and the Constitution…
Jesus Christ forbids me to resist evil-doers by taking 'eye for eye, tooth for tooth,
blood for blood, and life for life.' My government requires the very reverse, and
depends, for its own self-preservation, on the halter, the musket, and the sword, seasonably employed against its domestic and foreign enemies. Accordingly, the land is well furnished with gibbets, prisons, arsenals, train-bands, soldiers, and ships of
war. In the maintenance and use of this expensive life-destroying apparatus, we can
exemplify the virtues of forgiving our injurers, loving our enemies, blessing them
that curse us, and doing good to those that hate us. For this reason, we have regular Christian chaplains to pray for us, and call down the smiles of God on our holy
murders…
I see it all; and yet I insist that I am as good a Christian as ever. I fellowship all; I vote
on; I help govern on; I profess on; and I glory in being at once a devoted Christian,
and a no less devoted adherent to the existing government. I will not give in to those
miserable Non-Resistant notions. I will not throw away my political influence, and
leave unprincipled men to carry on government alone…
The Constitution says - “Congress shall have power to declare war…” I agree to
this. I endorse it. I swear to help carry it through… What then, am I less a Christian? Is not war a Christian service? Is it not perfectly Christian to murder hundreds
of thousands of fellow human beings; to ravish defenseless females, sack and burn
cities, and enact all the other cruelties of war? Out upon these new-fangled scruples!
This is the very way to forgive injuries, and love our enemies! If we only do it all in
true love, nothing can be more Christian than wholesale murder!
Bullshit. There is plenty of pro-life people, who are foster parents and who support foster homes, other parents, etc.
The unborn ARE living. You know, there are atheistic pro-lifers.
@@MrCmon113 Way to miss the point.
Irrelevant...
Yeah my sister works at planned parenthood and the workers are told to confirm with patients that they want the abortion. Sometimes patients will cry or be hesitant, in which case they are told to reschedule and think on it, and not pressured into it. Also planned parenthood doesn't just do abortions, and some of the clinics don't even do them.
I wonder why so many planned parenthoods closed after the overturn of roe v wade. At the very least, abortion is the majority of what they do. They lure women in, deceive them by acting kind (which is not the same thing as actually being kind) and then they kill women’s children. It’s sad
@@adriannedeforest8511 what? By closing do you mean no longer providing abortions? Because like no planned parenthoods have closed since the Dobbs decision. I mean youtube doesn't like it when I link things but if you look it up the top five results all refute your claim.
@@ezra7088 um yes, there have definitely been ones that have closed. And then there have been some that have moved to different states because theyre so desperate to make money off of desperate women by killing their unwanted babies
As a twin, I grew up with many families with twins or triplets. With multiple births, it's sometimes necessary to "reduce" for the mother's health and safety and prevent complications down the line. I grew up with people who were meant to be "reduced," but their parents risked it. Pro-lifers at my school would harass them, asking, "well, wouldn't it have sucked if your parents aborted you" and the answer I always heard was, "no, I wouldn't be around to care. I'm not suicidal. I'm glad that I'm alive, but if my mom had chosen to reduce, how would I have known what I was missing?" Before my parents knew they were having twins, all the tests concluded that I would die shortly after being born if my mom carried me to term. It turns out the lab work was off because there were two of us. But if somehow my mom could get an abortion before she got another ultrasound and my sister and I were aborted, I wouldn't be around to care. I love my family, and I'm glad that my sister and I are alive and healthy, but I was still brain dead when my mom faced this decision. Even if we pretend a fetus is a person, I would never have to mourn the loss of the person I may have become. My mom would. When it comes to the debate over abortion, everyone focuses on the fetus when we should be focused on the pregnant person. What it ultimately comes down to is bodily autonomy. No one should be forced to carry a child to term if they don't want to.
I was pro-life until I lived in a country that criminalizes abortion and saw the real-world consequences of that.
After you see a baby sleeping on a sidewalk you start to prioritize living children's lives over a potential one.
Hiiii I love your work!!
Specially in 3rd world countries. I live in Honduras and its sad to see every day kids on the streets asking for money or food. If anyone ask me if they should abort I always say dont do it. But here a lot of woman are raped and force to have a child they can't support. The goverment punish abortions but never support the women and her newborn after...
@@LOSTmyHOST we often overlook the consequences of even the actions deemed morally correct.
Argentina: not only kids living in the streets: it was the nro 1 cause of maternal mortality. Fortunately, after almost 15 years fighting they got that right and there is an NGO of medical professionals and anotherone of feminist women lawyers trying to make sure is accesible everywhere. The stories that came out were horrifying.
I agree.
As an unplanned kid, the pro life movement is awful. I wasn't born because I was loved or wanted, because I had a stable family. I was born because someone convinced my mom she "didnt want to live with that hole in her life" so instead she ruined 3. My dad never wanted kids but ended up taking care of us until his suicide, my mom sudenly realized she didn't know how to do anything and joined a cult for support.
Thanks to her new age bs and DIY psychiatric treatment I spent years 12-20 with a drug habit. My little sister is finally getting real treatment for schizophrena. Mom still thinks shes a good parent just because she "kept us" and expects to be worshipped. A lot of my freinds are in the same boat, unwanted/unplaned, kicked out as teens and strugling with mental health and addiction. Everyone wants to "save a baby" no one gives a fuck about the person they become.
Exactly, unplanned = unprepared, people would rather punish both mom and child rather than help the mom.
Sending you love and thanks for testimony 🙏🏼
Sorry for the things you went through. I fail to see how the prolife movement is horrible, or at least, worst than the alternatives though.
The alternative is that you would not exist, you and every unplanned child will simply never have had the chance at life to begin with, robbed of their right to live if they were aborted.
@@travismatos9068 It comes down to "ignorance is bliss" though, if he were never born, he would never have to feel the pain of an unplanned life, not "robbed" rather "saved". Personally I wouldn't want to suffer for something that wasn't my fault by being born.
@@dodoubleg182 by that logic no person should ever have children. If the goal of abortion is to rid the chance of that child living a painful life that implies it would be best to abort all babies because statistically speaking there’s always chance of that child undergoing hardship and experiencing pain throughout their life, and the best way to avoid it, would be to kill them before they are conscious of what’s happening and “save” them from suffering.
The medical scenes are hilarious. It's obvious they didn't even bother to consult a family practioner, much less an OB/GYN. It's also a pretty clever appeal to emotion. A dirty, underhanded, false appeal to emotion, but crafty nonetheless.
Misoprostol is pretty well tolerated and is responsible for the vast majority of terminations. And 95% are done prior to 16 weeks. These people seem to think doctors go to great lengths to harvest and dissect a ball of tissue the size of a donut hole.
What is even going on at 12:33? You don't just dump biohazard material in a plastic bin and leave it out. It gets incinerated, for fucks sake.
Why let facts get in the way of a good scare? (Sarcasm, BTW.)
they shouldn't call themselves pro-life
they should call themselves pro-birth.
Actually they've bern dubbed forced-birthers, and that accurately describes them. So that is what they should be called.
Anti-choice
Why? Because we don't agree w/ you that government programs to benefit the poor are the bestest thing ever? Because we know enough economics to realize that saddling the poor w/ wasteful regulations, oppressive taxes and the like in order to "give" them welfare is TERRIBLE for them & their kids? Because we know government schools are evil failures that harm kids? Why do we have to support liberalism - which fails at everything - in order to be pro life? We're against all of liberalism's stupid ideas - abortion, socialism, woke-ry. It's all stupid & we're perfectly consistent in opposing all of it.
Assholes? I like calling them that
Exactly, as they have no regard for the life of the pregnant woman or child
in Belgium, abortion is legal but there is at the same time a good sex education + free contraceptives for woman up till 18 years.
Results 20x less abortions as compared to the States
Republicans and conservatives are ironically the main reason abortions are so common but they co ststnly try to ban it
@My president is Doanld Trump ever heard of empathy
@My president is Doanld Trump Ever heard of spelling your frigging username accurately? Because obviously you didn't. At least not enough.
@My president is Doanld Trump If it were that simple, then Abstinence only education would've solved the problem by now. Pretending that people will just stop having sex is the reason why there are so many unwanted pregnancies.
@My president is Doanld Trump ever heard of stop forcing your life style on others, not everyone is into modesty
The biggest killer to the "the soul enters the human body at conception" idea is monozygotic twins, generally known as identical twins.
During the first 14 days after conception the zygote can split... this either means that:
EITHER identical twins have half a soul shared between them and their lives are half as morally valuable as other people... which is ridiculous
OR only one of the twins has a soul and the other is a soulless evil twin... which is also ridiculous
OR a new soul is created or added in during the division process... which completely undermines the fundamental idea that the soul confers personhood at conception.
Edit: A couple of people have suggested a 4th option, that a zygote could have 2 (or more) souls before splitting and each twin (triplet, quad etc.) will have only 1 soul afterwards.
This undermines the idea that personhood starts at conception as it would be impossible to identify a Zygote as an individual person. It's just a container that can contain an indistinguishable number of souls. The only way to tell how many is to look backwards... so why wouldn't we expect a Zygote destined for abortion or miscarriage to have contained 0 souls from the start?
_Good twin evil twin dynamic_
this is so funny i'm gonna use this argument, thanks for the public service
I mean who doesn't love the evil twin trope
I'm pretty sure some hardcores are more comfortable with the idea that twins only have half of a soul, or only one has a soul, or neither of them, than accepting abortion. Many of them are literally brainwashed
What about when one twin eats the other?
I remember as an older teenager I went to planned parenthood to get an abortion, and was quickly informed that I had an ectopic pregnancy and needed to seek immediate emergency medical attention. It ended up saving my life, I began bleeding internally before the doctors at the hospital could get me into surgery and had to be rushed into emergency surgery at around 12am. Since then, I’ve had a couple other experiences with Planned Parenthood providing me help with birth control (placement and removal of) and pregnancy tests over my life. The idea that they “sell” abortions or put patients’ lives at risk has just never been my experience. Edit to add: I’m currently having my first (planned, intentional) pregnancy, and Planned Parenthood were the doctors who removed my IUD and congratulated me on the start of my journey into parenthood. I now have an OBGYN overseeing my care during pregnancy.
Congrats on the pregnancy. I appreciate you sharing your story. I've heard other stories similar to yours. PP is an essential resource for many.
I dated a guy once who was pro life and the questions of wether or not to have sex came up I was hesitant because I’m in school and would have got an abortion if some how I got pregnant and he totally flipped the switch and said he’d totally be fine with it, the second it becomes inconvenient to have the belief pro life people often flip
You are making an extreme, general claim about ALL pro life people based on your own experience. That’s called BAD LOGIC.
Guess what? A lot of guys are immature and you were right to say you should wait to have sex until youre ready to have babies
Erst kommt das Fressen, dann kommt die Moral.
@@adriannedeforest8511 ani choice men would 100 percent get an abortion if they could suddenly become pregnant. without fail, trust me :)
@@adriannedeforest8511 no one is obligated to be celibate because they don’t want children.
Sex is primarily a social action, not a reproductive one.
@@user-ct6jz3im2o no need to make it about gender, I know this same holds for pro-life women.
Let's not demonize it and instead provide a mature response, because this kind of talk makes people vindicative and actively harm, for example, their daughter that might get pregnant
Weird problem:
If person-hood begins at conception, then [monozygotic] twins are one person.
lol, gotta remember this one
Well, monozygotic twins.
and anyone who absorbed a non-monozygotic twin is a...murderer? cannibal? two people??
Beyond: Two Souls up in this bitch
Oop-
I think this movie is even more ironic for one specific reason: Planned Parenthood is a nonprofit organization 🤔
I was about to say like. In order to receive government funding they can't charge/make money from abortions, nor can rhey allocate government funds to them. Abortions are always paid for by donations
Lies, they sell the organs of babies to the black market
@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 That's a good joke, almost thought you were serious. 😂
@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 I don't know who is a troll or who isn't at this point
False. A lot of people make their living working there.
In school the class I was in wanted everyone to participate in a mock argument on whether or not it's right to use new fetuses to help in the growth of stem cells, and the teacher said that an early fetus can't feel pain because they are so under developed. I was like " If that's true then what's the problem?"
Honestly! Like people get mad about fetal stem cells being used in science, but if the fetus is dead why does it matter? It’s like donating a body to science in my opinion
@@Saltynebula-xi2di People make irrational connections between things (fetus becomes human, therefore fetus is sacred!!1!), get emotional about them, and then take them as a reason to disregard incredibly valuable science.
@@adriannedeforest8511
If we’re talking about a person who has a life, emotions, can feel pain outside of being under anesthesia, pleasure, has thoughts, etc, then yes, it is wrong to murder them. But we’re not talking about a living human. We’re talking about something that doesn’t have a single characteristic that would make them “human” outside of what they could potentially grow into. They don’t have thoughts, they don’t experience pain, and they don’t have any type of emotions. Ergo, you’re argument is ridiculous and redundant.
@@adriannedeforest8511
People who can’t feel pain can still think, experience emotions, make plans, etc.
Those who can’t do those things are considered “vegetables” and brain dead and most people agree that it’s far more merciful to just take them off life support at that point rather than to allow them to continue to live in a husk of their former selves being unable to say, do, feel, or even think anything.
And I didn’t say “characteristics for life”, I said “characteristics of a ‘human’ outside of what they could potentially grow into”.
What makes a human “human”? Is it merely that they have a beating heart? Or that they have certain physical characteristics such as arms, legs, a nose, a mouth, eyes, ears, and whatever else?
Last I checked, it’s what we feel that makes us human. Our complexity and higher intelligence compared to other living beings that exist in the world. Early-term fetuses do not have that complexity. They never even chose to be conceived.
@@lumini3172 infants cant think or make plans. None of those things make a person human. Youre making all this up for your convenience. And taking someone off life support is very different from sticking a knife in them, vacuuming them into a thousand pieces or poisoning them, which is what happens in abortion.
Lol so a human zygote with human DNA is not human? You might want to check your reasoning on that. Fetuses are not potential humans. They are part of the human species according to scientific facts. Just because a human is at an early stage of development doesnt mean he’s suddenly not human. What makes a human human according to science is DNA, and they has to be living. A growing fetus fits both those characteristics. Lol last you checked? You obviously skipped high school biology class. Science doesn’t define the human species by what we feel because some people dont fit that definition since they dont feel anything. Infants DEFINITELY dont have higher intelligence or complex minds. They’re completely underdeveloped and only have the POTENTIAL for reasoning. But infants are still human. Same with fetuses
They care so much about the fetus's "life" until it actually comes to life out of the womb, they don't care if it gets neglected or dies from cruelty afterwards.
"Life begins at conception and ends in a mass sh00t1ng"
- a random internet post
Right thats why the majority of parents who adopt multiple children while already having children of their own are pro life Christians and the people who run pregnancy help centers that help women after birth are also pro life Christians
They Certainly dont care if the kid has religious trauma or if the pregnant teen will die if they dont get an abortion
@@Yoma_all women are six times more likely to commit suicide after having an abortions. If you actually cared about girls and women, you wouldn’t support abortion
Nor do they care about the life of the mother
Joel is, at this point, more than 50% sweater.
Obi-Wan: "he's more sweater than objectively hot troubadour, now"
He is just slowly turning into a sweater
His face even has a sweater
He should be in Knives Out 2.
He's wearing a cosby sweater and I'm kinda thinking that's a bad look after, yanno?
The barriers to abortion is about punishing women. Each step that's added is humiliating and degrading.
These Christo-Fascists will mob around the Planned Parenthood center and scold every woman going inside even though 90% of them are going for contraception or to get tested for STDs. They are so f*cking brainwashed and self righteous it's not even believable.
Is it okay to kill a child that is 1 month away from being born?
Colton Barta yes, if a woman decides she no longer wants to sustain a fetus, she has that right at any stage - but that doesn’t really happen though. A fetus one month away from birth would just be induced or delivered via c-section.
Colton Barta Is that what you think is happening?
@@mcmasters1484 Stop making stupid strawman arguments that never happen. It only proves you can't actually argue using real facts or reason.
Texas: We believe that everybody should have the freedom to choose what they do with themselves.
Woman: Okay I choose not to go through with the pregnancy.
Texas: Not like that.
"We need a smaller government to stop them LIBERALS from ruining our lives!"
*women, gay people and trans people exist*
"Government, please save us!"
you can choose not to have sex and then you don't get pregnant.
@@xq39I assume you can also choose not to get sexually assaulted as well?
@@xq39 Tell that to rape victims.
@@xq39 People have urges sometimes and shit happens. Contraceptives do not have a 100% sucess rate. No one deserves to be put into an unplanned pregnancy and be forced to go through with it.
My mom dragged me along to see this movie with her (in theaters) when I was only about 13 or 14. She said it was banned in a lot of places because it was too realistic and "they" (meaning "looney liberals" according to her) don't want people to see the TRUE horror that abortion "really is".
All I can remember was my mom talking through most of the movie to make a point to me. It was annoying.
As someone in my discord server says,
"If you plant a seed then take it out, you haven't cut down a tree".
If a human is alive, and then you make it not alive, then have you murdered it?
@@josemorgan8048 it's alive, yes, but only as alive as a plant. You are probably with picking flowers, so why aren't you ok with this?
@@sprout8841 Because plants do not feel pain and humans do.
If someone kicked a sunflower as hard as they could and then kicked an aborted fetus or baby as hard as they could I imagine your reaction would be very different and for good reason.
@@josemorgan8048 Actually studies have shown that flowers something similar to pain and they often communicate with each other :)
@@andreaspell3940 link me the study. I'm about to destroy you with logic and facts
kinda scary how easily the anti-abortion movie started slipping in anti-Semitic ideas
oh heck i didn't clock that, would you mind telling me what part exactly?
@@eggboy6926 when the PP lady says to the protester, "have you seen the names of our donors?" Soros is the first name she mentions.
@@linasayshush ohh that makes sense, thanks
Naming Soros is anti semitic?
@@-flanders-8975 why name Soros specifically?
I never understand how a potential person is valued more than the pregnant women who is already living, contributing to society, having sentient thoughts and feelings.
Misogyny is a hell of a drug
@@slinky9582Imma copy paste my previous argument but
It doesn't actually matter if the baby feels pain or if it is a human. What matters is the owner of the uterus. Imagine you get in a car crash that was entirely your fault. The person you crashed into has very injured kidneys, and you are the only viable match. However, the hospital is really shitty, and the operation will take 9 whole months, over which you will feel pain, you will be mentally unwell, your body will bloat painfully. It will be a very uncomfortable process for many. At the very end you will undergo extreme pain, a risk of injury and a high risk of death. After that you are responsible for them for 18 years, paying for everything they need. That is, if the other person survives at all. Worst case scenario, You both die painfully even after you donate your kidney. Best case scenario, you go through an extremely painful process and pay for the surgery and then pay for everything the stranger wants to buy for 18 whole years.
Do you think you should have the choice to not donate your kidney? If not, what does this mean for bodily autonomy under the law? If you think you should be legally required to give your kidney in this situation, how far could the government go? If your right to keep your kidney in this situation is not respected, how do you know the government won't take that further and restrict bodily autonomy in other areas? Are you ok with the government deciding who does and who doesn't get to keep their organs?
@@slinky9582 the guys response to your claim was stupid, honestly. these what-if scenarios that i see people making up to try and justify their point (whether its pro life or pro choice) only comes to show how we as people always end up simplifying topics that are far too complex and morally grey to have a simple yes or no answer.
obviously taking the life of a potential child is something that we default to being morally wrong, and that's a general consensus. but what makes both pro life and choice arguments fall on death ears is the fact that experience builds morale. there are so many little details that go into something as morally questionable as abortion that one can only comprehend it if they've had one themselves.
in the end, there's not really going to be any winners regardless, and both sides are going to have to sit quietly with that fact.
Why is contributing to society in there? You wouldn't say someone who wasn't contributing to society shouldn't be able to get abortions
@@gurneyqueen5782 nobody except literal vegetables on life support contributes *nothing* to society.
literal vegetables on life support...i.e. what is essentially a braindead mass of organs that are only arguably alive by the notion that they show cellular activity.
by jove! it seems this is reminding me an awful lot of a fetus!
"Outlaw abortions and force every clinic that provides them to shut its doors? Well, no. That seems a bit dramatic" me, a person living in Texas, "well shit, that happened"
The parts of the movie that are supposed to disgust and enrage the anti-abortion folks are so ridiculous that they're unintentionally hilarious. A fetus trying not to be aborted? lmao
If a fetus ever tried to dodge the abortion that baby is Superman and must be allowed to live
I know, I lost my shit when that happened. It just looks so fake even at a glance
This fetus be roll-dodging like it's fighting a dark souls boss
When I went to school I had a class of religion and the teacher once put a disk on the radio that had registered an anti-abortion track where a baby, with a chipmunk-like voice, used to talk like an adult, wondering why his parents were always discussing, and then, when the abortion part came, the "baby" started screaming supplications in pain. In the end he was in Paradise and kept watching at his mother. It was supposed to be sad but that voice and the lines of the "baby" were so lame that I almost laughed.
evan schmidt It was still kind of unnerving to watch. I mean, as body horror goes, that one got me feeling seriously icky. I get that was their goal.
"We can't force them to do anything" *Except give birth!*
Or kill, or steal, or torture, or not be a creep to kids,
Yk stuff like that
I mean, still. Their point is right. They can't force them to, and the people in the movie aren't going to. When it comes to real people, that's not really the case.
Abortion and forced birth are both objectively immoral actions. Just made a video on it feel free to comment
@@Mornings that's based on whether you consider a fetus a human
@@Mornings I don't think you know the definition of "objective"...
The term "pro-life" itself is awful as it's carefully crafted to imply that anything else is "pro-death."
Yes…because abortion kills babies
Whats pro-choice crafted to imply?
@@umbertorodrigez8213 I don't think that's the witty rebuttal you think it is.
@@johnroscoe2406 wit is the poor mans correct
@@umbertorodrigez8213 You're not very bright are you.
I'm here after Roe v Wade has been overturned. What the hell is going on in my country?? How much harm will be caused because of this? How many women, girls, and/or pregnant people will die and suffer because of this due to complications?
I was raised as pro-life, I was taught that the debate is whether or not a fetus should have the right to be born. However, there is SO much debate surrounding whether or not a fetus even IS a person to begin with. Do you know what IS indisputable? The fact that the person carrying the fetus is already a fully developed person!
So to me, if the debate of whether or not a fetus has the right to live is weighed against the debate of whether or not the parent has the right to live, I will choose the parent every time.
Fully formed people who are indisputably people should not be made to suffer and potentially die because of a fetus whose personhood is disputable.
People should have the right to choose.
Earlier today I concluded a week long Twitter fight with a woman who was anti-abortion and her entire argument was that a fetus is human and alive, and no one should even want to “slaughter” (her word) any living human. That’s it. And for a week I’ve been idiotically telling her in every way under the sun “that’s great, but stop telling people abortion is dismemberment, it’s not accurate, you know it’s not accurate.” The discussion finally ended when she admitted her bias was more important than telling the truth and I was like, welp, it’s not the victory I wanted, but I’ll take it.
the irony of the pro-life character saying “we can ask them to stop and we do but we can’t force them to do anything” lmfao
lmaoo that line took my last brain cell, the other one was taken by "abortion is our fries and soda"
Yeah guys we should let that Criminal blow up that Hospital because it's their choice.
Imagine watching a murder happen before you very eyes, and the only thing you can do is beg them to stop. You beg and beg, but they say "its my body, my free will, my choice." You try to tell them that they are taking away another person's free will, destroying another person's body, but they continue to kill with no remorse. After all the killing is done and over for the day, they call you close minded and try to paint you as the bad guy.
The south used the slaves, the Nazis killed the jews, planed parent hood is killing the children. History repeats itself.
@@iamsethhasting8911 hahahahahahahaha
@@iamsethhasting8911 Facts.
can’t believe the “nice pro-life lady” said that they couldn’t force the “mean pro-life man” to do anything, but her whole stance is not allowing women to have control over their own bodies?
that's exactly what i was thinking when that scene came up lmaooo
Any control whatsoever is control over bodies. Are you an anarchist?
@@MrCmon113 why are you going that far, we just talking about how this movie character is contradicting herself lol
@@MrCmon113 Are you a fascist or authoritarian, since you think the government should take control away from people?
@@paraphidd
That's not an answer. I never made any absolutist statement. You think that "bodily autonomy" is absolute. Hence taxes, prisons, etc cannot be justified.
My opinion on Abortions is this:I will never have one, I don't want to have abortions unless I absolutely have to, however I do believe that other women deserve the right to choose between carrying a child to term or aborting them. And I think it's wrong for organizations to convey Aborting as equal to Murder when it is not
I hope you never need or want an abortion so you can keep your ideals, but a lot of people who think like you have found themselves looking for an abortion. Look up "The only moral abortion is my abortion"
the only good anti-abortion opinion
...why is this a sentence i wrote? wtf 🤔😅
I agree ,Abortions are traumatic and i hate how people in the comments are making it seem like it was easy peasy. People are selfish and think its cool to ignore the fact that a living fetus isnt valid, im pro choice but i also believe we should respect the fetus and not forget about it .
@@GiubileiFernando a Year late but I might as well address it, I'm saying that I don't think an Abortion is right for myself but other people should be able to make that decision for themselves. Not that I think Abortions are all-around a bad or Immoral thing just that personally I wouldn't have one unless I had to.
Nobody is forcing you to get an abortion, dumbass. That choice is up to you.
My big issue with the prolife movement has always been how it tries to claim that it’s “preserving life” and “helping people” while actively doing so much more harm than any abortion that’s not being done with a wire hanger. I’m someone who’s been personally hurt in multiple ways by the prolife movement despite never even considering terminating a pregnancy myself.
First off I, like a lot of other people in the comments, was an unplanned pregnancy. I was born to parents who weren’t emotionally or financially ready to have a baby. My mother was resentful and abusive, and any time I told her I was unhappy with my life or hurt by how she treated me she’d basically retroactively threaten me with how she should have gotten an abortion or abandoned me as a baby so I should be grateful I was even alive. We lived in a house that was falling apart and unsafe. We often went hungry. I was left alone from a very young age and would cry myself to sleep after weeks of not seeing my parents. As a teen I was suicidally depressed and abused worse after my mother remarried a man who hated me even more than she did. I ran away from home and lived on the streets. I tried to end my life multiple times. I’m in a better place now and no longer wish to end my life, but 5 good years after a lot of hard work and therapy and support from my adult friends I never got growing up doesn’t mean the first 20 years of never having my needs met and actively wanting to die go away. In fact it left some scars so deep I’ll probably never recover from it. It is so horrible to knowing let children suffer bc there is a possibility they might one day have a better life you have no intention of bringing into existence.
Another big reason I was hurt by the prolife movement is that I have fertility problems. At one point the town I lived in had a Planned Parenthood that could’ve provided health screenings and contraception and OB checkups bur they were literally run out of town by our local pro-lifers even tho the clinic never provided abortions. Bc of this and the fact that my abusive parent worked at the only hospital in our area, I wasn’t able to get any kind of birth control other than condoms, which promptly failed and left me with an unplanned pregnancy I couldn’t see the doctor to monitor. I actually didn’t want to end my pregnancy, just make sure I had a healthy baby bc I was about to move out with and get married to my high school sweetheart. Unfortunately I had a serious complication that could have been found early if I’d been able to have checkups but instead only came up after it threatened my life. I’d tried to get an ultrasound early on at the CPC that’d replaced PP in our town but was turned away for literally lifesaving medical help bc I told them I wasn’t considering an abortion. The same people also found out I’d lost my pregnancy and started telling people around town that I was a baby killer after I not only lost a baby I already had a name and a nursery for, but also nearly died in the process and had my fiancé break off our engagement bc he was too emotionally messed up by what happened...
I also had to have a D&C as I’d only partially miscarried but wound up having to wait for WEEKS and eventually travel to a different state bc despite my baby having no heartbeat my state officially decided it counted as a late term abortion which would have been illegal. I wound up developing sepsis and almost died for a second time.
In the last couple years I’ve learned that that initial lost pregnancy and the fact that I was forced to wait for treatment after losing it directly caused damage to my uterus that has made it impossible for me to carry a pregnancy to term now. I’ve lost 3 more pregnancies since then and am actively trying to get my tubes tied bc getting pregnant is both something I’m extremely capable of and something that is nearly guaranteed to cause me serious physical and psychological harm. In the process I’ve learned that the same groups that rally against abortion have also rallied against contraception and sterilization. I have to fight every single month with my insurance company to cover my life-saving contraception bc they’re catholic owned and as such think preventing pregnancy is as bad as ending it. They won’t cover my tubal ligation either despite it being for a medically necessary reason, but even if they did literally every doctor I’ve talked to has said they won’t bc I’m too young, not married (despite being engaged to a man who I made this decision with), or don’t have any children yet. They literally won’t let me make a decision about my body or my life when the stakes are life or death bc they are so sure they know better for me than I do and seem to demand I use my body to make babies based on their personal beliefs.
I’m not even preventing myself from having children, just making it so if I do it’s safely, using a surrogate so I don’t die in the process, and genetic testing so I don’t pass down my health issues to my children. But there are simply too many people with a vested interest in what I do with my womb ready to straight up sacrifice me for no gain then say they were doing the moral, godly, life-respecting thing by forcing me into a deadly position.
This was so heart-breaking to read, I hope you're doing well now
Sounds like the script for that movie was also unplanned
HAHAH, this comment is so underrated 😞
I CACKLED
ah fuck ya got me
And alsoquite possibly yanked out of someone's nether regions...
Comment of the year 2022. Honestly I want to compile comments and see which of the nominees are my personal favorite.
Here’s how planned parenthood actually works:
1. You call them when you suspect that you are pregnant.
2. They will ask you several questions such as when your last period was, if you have taken a pregnancy test, if you would like to keep this confidential, etc.
3. Based on your answers they will set up a date for you to come in. A FEW DAYS BEFORE YOUR APPOINTMENT, they will call you to give you the risks, potential complications, to gain your consent, to reassure you in anyway, and answer any and ALL of your questions.
4. Once you reach your appointment date you will go there and someone will take your information (just like any other doctors appointment). They will also ask you which method you would like: oral or surgical. Both these methods the person who calls you will explain to you in detail.
5. Before you go in, they take payment. This differs on the state. This is another thing the person will tell you about.
6. Once you have paid and are called in by a nurse, they will take you to a room for you to dress down from the waist down. This is almost like a GYN appointment. They are going to do an ultrasound to check your uterus to see a multitude of things: if it’s safe for you to get an abortion, if you’re even pregnant or if it’s another issue, to guess how far along you are, etc. before they even do this they will ask if you’re comfortable and if you would like to see the screen of the ultra sound.
7. If you are pregnant and they determine it is safe for you, depending on your choice of oral or surgical they will take you to another room and take your vitals. Regular lab work.
8. You will get your procedure done, they will counsel you on aftercare AND THEY WILL SCHEDULE YOU FOR A FOLLOW UP APPOINTMENT. They do not just give you the abortion and call it a day. Throughout all of this they will ask you if you’re comfortable.
This is based on research and my own personal experience. Never once I have I felt like a villain while getting my procedure done (it turns out I miscarried before my procedure but they were still super nice to me and gave me a urine pregnancy test to be sure). Depending on your clinic they will also ask if you need any counseling which can be covered by your insurance.
What is "You will get your procedure done" a euphemism for? Call it what it is.
@@josemorgan8048 so out of everything I said...that’s what you take issue with? It’s a procedure, like what do you want me to call it?
@@andreaspell3940
How long is the interval between procedure and follow-up? More importantly, do you have to pay for the additional follow-ups, or is that already covered in the initial fee?
@@davidhong1934 It’s important for call as soon as you suspect that you are pregnant. Planned Parenthood will schedule you in on or after your 6th week. For reference I called mid December and had my appointment the 9th of January. If you call early enough this gives you the choice of taking the pill or the physical procedure. Planned parenthood won’t preform abortions until you’re about six weeks and the pill is a choice for you up until the 12th week. Afterwards it would be limited to the physical procedure. Depending on your state the cap for that varies - for mine after the 20th week planned parenthood won’t proceed with abortions. That’s also the answer for your second question and it’s one to ask the person that calls you a few days before your scheduled appointment OR when you are scheduling your appointment. Planned parenthood is pretty good at making sure your questions are answered. Because my case was unique (I miscarried before my appointment), an in-person follow up wasn’t needed for me. They called just to make sure I was comfortable. So all in all - ask plenty of questions and be aware of your state laws and limitations regarding this. Even though my state is mostly red, the abortion laws are kind of lax and efficient compared to other places.
And also the follow up time is two weeks but if you feel any complications they urge you to seek medical attention at an actual urgent care or hospital (if you feel as if you’re having an emergency DO NOT go to planned parenthood) and after you inform them they will move up your follow up date.
The arithmetic of souls is a funny point. Sometimes twins develop earlier or later during the pregnancy. Sometimes twins revert into a single person during a pregnancy. What is happening with the souls of the babies during this?
I never understood the part where the lady said “abortion is our fries and soda”, it’s not, Planned Parenthood’s “fries and soda” is birth control not abortion.
"We can't force them to do anything" - a pro-life advocate.
The blatant hypocrisy.
we can't...it's not really hypocrisy. How many pro lifers do you know that tied a pregnant woman up and made her give birth? Or put a gun to her head and make her be pro life? Yeah none.
@@kva5751 or blown up abortion clinics. Or shot doctors who they *suspected* of giving abortions. Or screamed at women making the hardest choice ever, sometimes throwing things at her. Or held fundraisers at church to lobby for the closure of clinics and hospitals that provide abortions, thus forcing the woman to carry the baby to term, travel at great expensive (which she probably cant afford), or recieve a very risky back alley abortion. Oh man, you pro-lifers dont force anything on anyone, now do you... especially not the death of innocents, huh?
@@kva5751 yep, just look at all this choice here... 6 states with only one clinic. The overall number of clinics dropping by almost half. Yep, non of you forced birthers are removing choice at all
www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/health/six-states-with-1-abortion-clinic-map-trnd/index.html
You may not be putting a gun to someone's head and tying them down, but you are forcing women to give birth. And it's wrong.
@@kva5751 lol you went quiet after you got proved wrong
@@k_anth no Iv actually commented back. This pathetic page either deletes my comments, or TH-cam does. LOL. It’s really not the worth the hassle. I sleep just fine at night knowing I’m not for killing. Can you say the same ? 😘 hope you know what an abortion looks like at every trimester. Good to know exactly what you stand for ✌🏼
It's about punishing women for having sex. That's it. That's why you can't say "what about banning abortion but having widely available free contraception and comprehensive sex education so that people understand what sex is and can take educated risks". They'd say "no, people would still be having premarital sex."
Yep, they are obsessed with forcing people to face the consequences of their actions. The Christian worldview is centered around sin and punishment and atonement, so the idea that someone can make a mistake or act irresponsibly and then sidestep the consequences is abhorrent to them. In this way, forced birth is just revenge. Talk about potential lives or killing babies is emotionally compelling but at the end of the day it always takes a back seat to just making people live by their book of rules at any and all costs, and punishing them if they don't.
It's premarital sex AND sex in marriage that's for pleasure rather than procreation. The pleasure part is the sin! That's why arguments about how most women who get abortions are married and have other children don't work for them, either. They are still angry those women had sex for pleasure and want to see them punished for it, on some level.
@@clixx13 They never want to say that, but that's the only explanation that makes any internal sense.
@@jenniferw7928 Yet, somehow they NEVER bring up punishing men for using sex for pleasure. Hmmmm, wonder why?
i can only speak for my (past) self when i say that i didnt really think like that when i was pro life.
i personally only cared about that specific potential an unborn baby has and was so sure on it being an actual person already. for me and my parents, it was more like a too emotional way to see it by having empathy with the zygot (if that makes sense) which is why i viewed abortion as murder. i guess also because of the argument that god created every human being individually and by killing it you would destroy a gift from god. i think that many of the pro-life followers have different reasons to be pro-life.
i consider myself pro-choice now and do not stand behind any of these values anymore.
its like these people think that an abortion is some spontaneous "fun for the weekend" plans and not a highly traumatic and impactful decision and experience.
Then don’t do it. It’s traumatic for the baby too, who’s getting murdered
@@adriannedeforest8511 A small accumulation of cells that have no consciousness? Have you ever killed a fly? By your logic that is far worse, an abortion before the fetus gains any consciousness is more like using a disinfectant on your counter top killing of the bacteria there.
@@adriannedeforest8511 They literally don't feel anything fucking hell, this shit has been proven so many times.
@@youngman7365 um in later term abortions they do, but thats not the point. The point is, killing people is wrong. Sometimes when people get stabbed, their body goes into shock and they dont feel any pain. Does that mean its ok to proceed in killing them??
@@adriannedeforest8511 bozo
It is better to not have a person at all rather than neglecting and traumatizing one
So we should find all children being abused today and murder them?
Wow! Just wow! Do you know how many neglected traumatized people have gone on to do great things? Take Oprah, for only the most obvious. Heck, I'd go further - we're all neglected/traumatized in some way. Everybody in the 3rd world might qualify. Everybody born before 1800 could too. You have no faith in humanity. Friend, reconsider - we can & do overcome horrors all the time; it's inspiring. Not something to be aborted.
@@chrispaige8880So we should have people with life long trauma because there’s a small chance that they can do good things?
@@PeakBruhMoment Yes. Or would you prefer we murder everyone who has merely a "small" chance of doing good things? And how do you decide what's a small chance? How do decide their chances? You're awfully quick to kill people; are you certain you won't be on the wrong end of that calculation?
Unplanned: See? See how *painful* abortion is?
Everyone: Yeah, so is childbirth. What's your point?
And abortion is MUCH safer than giving birth.
@@bookywooky89 Nothing safer than death
@@bookywooky89 because the plan is to kill a fetus, to KILL a fetus. Of course it is safer
@@sophialegutko8057 ROFLMAO!! 🤣🤣🤣
Stabbing someone is safer than surgery
"Comfy pro-choice GENIUS absolutely DESTROYS pro-life Christian with FACTS AND LOGIC"
“comfy” is the best gladiatorial title of all time
Comfy 😌
comfy is a perfect description
@@flightrisk7566 based.
Big "Comfy Henry" Joel
Its really as simple as nobody has the right to use your body against your will. We dont force people to donate organs, blood, kidneys. IF someones invading your private space its your right to take them out.
Period
@@mayanovak2497 Nice
Are you threatened by a fetus?
@@senormacaco2834 duh
@@senormacaco2834 during an unwanted pregnancy yes. It feeds off your body and causes you immense amounts of pain.
Christian propaganda movies are actually horror movies
Reality shows soon
I had an abortion at the women’s clinic at 18 and I couldn’t afford it at all. I had to apply for a payment option the clinic offered and by the time I got it, it was almost too late. Top it off with people calling me a murderer when I looked for help online, and not being able to tell my parents, my friends or anyone other than strangers online... it was one of the worst experiences of my life, yet it’s 8 years later and I still don’t regret it. Stuff like this bothers me so much, these people have no idea what they’re talking about.
It sounds horrible, I am glad that everything has ended well, when I hear cases like yours I hope that at some point we can get to have free and safe abortions and much more sex education.
I consider protestors outside abortion clinics little more than cowards. It’s easy to harass scared women in precarious positions. Never mind young girls in precarious medical positions. They should all be forced to endure a pregnancy against their will and see how they like it.
Btw I’m sorry you went through that
I’m glad you were able to get that abortion and proud of you for keeping going with your life
👌
hope you are holding up well, you are really strong person to be able to go through that. :)
"abortion is our fries and soda" is the best sentence of all time
But expired
And we LOVE fries and soda😂💅😎
Excuse me, can I get the abortion combo please? Yes, I will Karen out if I don't get my fries n soda.😤
Yummy, yummy, in my tummy.
I fail to see how murder of children is fries and soda
6:32 this is totally unrelated, but she’s actually incorrect in her analogy. Fast food chain restaurants (most notably McDonald’s) make the majority of their money not by selling food but from real estate, specifically from rent paid by franchisees who are given the rights to use any trademarks owned by the McDonald’s company. IIRC, a staggering 82% of the company’s revenue comes from payments made by individual franchises rather than company-owned restaurants.
Even in the context of the bizaro world where this movie take place... the fries and soda argument dosen't work.
The protagonist try to concentrate there effort on contraception products, cundom, pill or others... that product is massly manufactured and distribute... so THIS is their fries and soda... the abortion is A LOT MORE COSTLY, it's their hamburger and meat, because you must pay a big ammount of money someone that can do the abortion, a very complicated surgery, making it even more costly.
So even in their own logic, it dosen't work.
And wait a minute... the problem is not abortion or "not believing in god or the soul" in this case... the problem is capitalism... in this crazy made up situation, the real problem is Capitalism, not abortion at all... but of course, those reactionary american won't question that.
Reactionaries seens to have been becoming more socialist than me now, I honestly don't think that public healthcare should expand to universal abortion because of responsability and etc. (I haven't put much thought on It actually, pretty sure anyone could change my mind fairly easily) but seens like public healthcare, according to this foolproof logic, should go all the way with abortion since profit on abortion is bad, yay I guess.
60,000 is such a crazy number of abortions to be performed by a single person in 8 years, that’s 20.5 people a day every day for all 8 years. In TEXAS.
I mean in America alone since the 1970s there has been 67 million abortions.
@@-tom-8720 ok? It’s still a wild number for a single person in 8 years to be responsible for?
If you consider handing a woman two pills to be "performing an abortion" then sure.
@@M123Xoxo Na it’s still like a crazy lot, cuz like think of the paperwork alone
@@maddogboom15 like like like
"this systemic mass murder is just part of living, i guess" *americans when settling the west*
*Americans right now in the face of foreign military intervention*
Why compare Settling the west to abortion?
@@astrophysicalgdjohnson3361 "systemic mass murder" ig.
Europeans when colonizing anywhere
@@brttnyncl2 Americans when colonising everywhere
I remember there were a bunch of pro-lifers outside of my high school one time. They were standing near the road of the entrance of our school and handing out really graphic pamphlets and signs with gore on them. It was really disturbing and me and a bunch of other students didn't really take them seriously. I also went to a catholic elementary and junior high school and we debated abortion. No one really knew anything about it because we were like 13/14 and the teacher really hammered down how bad abortion is in the eyes of god and stuff. Both situations felt very weird and influenced my ideas about abortion at the time. I've changed since then after doing my own research about abortion, but the fact that these groups try to influence children/teens opinions with gore and fear is very disturbing.
This sounds nearly identical to something that happened at my high school last year, I wonder if it was the same organization?
@@FroggyLover69 It might've been. I only saw them once at my time in high school. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a common thing.
Yo guys if you ever find out what organization it is, hit them up and let them know to call me and hit me up with some fetus gore pamphlets.
On the second day of school, we got a discussion on whenever or not we were prolife or prochoice. And the teacher got upset over a prochoice kid
Well god has killed babies before. Great flood, egyptian firstborns, the people native to the promised land...
So basically, they are preaching falsehood (which is a sin) and god gets more upset about that than babies being killed. -kindly, someone who was raised in the south, in a pew, and has actually read the bible
I'm sure that a ton of people have said this already, but the best way to reduce abortions is to reduce unwanted pregnancies. Contraception is by far the most effective and easiest way to do this. However, "pro-lifers" tend to be against contraception as well, even though it is clearly the lesser of the two evils by an incredible degree. I personally just don't understand how teenagers having sex is comparable to murder. I know that for a fact, if I believed fetuses were actually people, I would be for distributing condoms as much as possible (which works) rather then promoting sexual abstinence (which doesn't).
As a pro-lifer myself. This is it. Contraceptives aren't even an evil. I hate how religious types take it when there's plenty of secular reasoning to be pro-life.
@@slinky9582 I'm nervous about the precedence, sir. Are you entitled to a kidney of mine to save your life? My liver tissue, whole blood, plasma, fibrin, or bone marrow? The inside of my body is not my own any longer, and I don't know what you might take from me.
@@nerveagent1905 that's a slippery slope fallcy. What exactly entales that if you couldn't get an abortion you would then later down the line be forced to donate your kidneys. There's a huge difference from having your uterus used to carry a life you are responsible for creating and permanent losing a kidney for something you had nothing to do with. If i hit you with a car and you needed blood to live and I were the only person with the type you needed to survive. From a purely moral standpoint, i should be donating the blood.
@@nerveagent1905 If I did donate a kidney to you, I couldn't kill you to get it back a couple of months later. This is a better analogy for pregnancy and abortion as the "organ donation" has already taken place in pregnancy
Naturally sexual abstinence does work. It's just that it may not actually be practiced. Contraceptives could be used to plug this gap. However it's argued that abstinence is only not practiced in some places due to societal and cultural conditioning. If you're a teen and all music, films, games, tv shows and culture tells you sex is no big deal and you should be having as much as possible, then why be surprised when attitudes to sex become casual. A much wider societal change needs to take place
If these people actually thought that fertilized eggs were people, they'd demand that couples who are "trying for a child" send all their tampons and pads to a lab to "rescue" any fertilized eggs that got flushed out.
I think some people aren't educated on that fact, that sometimes the fertilized egg doesn't stick to the uterine lining.
@@alastorlapid2365 yet they are not crying for all the opportunities of imaginary humans they could grow up to be. If it's really a baby for em, it's odd for em to don't feel a thing if they die.
@@alastorlapid2365 ??? It happens all the time xd same as abortions. Pro life people seem super upset about abortions they don't even know about yet they don't feel nothing for all the wanted babies that actually die(? And are doing nothing to help those people as well. Uhmm ok. One is reasonable and the other isn't. Ok.
@@gladiusdomina4399 Oh, its a very emotion thing when a couple who is pro-life is trying, thinks they got pregnant, and the fertilized egg does not implant. This early of a miscarriage is sometimes called a chemical pregnancy. My now pregnant wife and I had what we believed to be a chemical pregnancy in December. We cried and morned the loss of what we thought would be our first child for more than two weeks. We did our best to put on happy faces for the holidays, but it was challenging. It impacted us emotionally for the next two months, and we had a LOT of very difficult feelings and conversations. My mother had 13 confirmed pregnancies - 6 children were born, 7 were miscarriages. Each miscarriage resulted in weeks of tears that could not be hidden from me and my siblings - no matter how early the miscarriage was. While some people may not feel the same way, those who truly believe in life starting at conception have a very hard time with every baby lost through miscarriages of every sort.
@@jaydisberger1014 ammm it would be easier to handle if they actually accepted conscious life doesn't start at fecundation. And my whole point is towards pro life people who are not even trying to make a baby yet they cry over unknown unborn bunch of cells and try to control other's bodies. And well xD one experience to another... I've had a miscarriage, yet I didn't hurt that much about it since I never saw it as an actual baby. And also my stress was about my life plans changing without me wanting it yet, and I assume that was because all I cared about was myself, as the only conscient being trapped in that situation.
Each has their own experience :) the shitty thing is making others take life changing decisions because certain group thinks this "intent in process of human being" has more value than the actual adult with already formed brain, total conscious feelings and personal past traumas to attend.
I can't honestly imagine anyone involved in the making of this film has ever been inside of a Planned Parenthood. I went there for my first ever OB/GYN and it was the safest, most supportive environment I've ever been in medically. It's so utterly bizarre to see it portrayed this way.
for sure. it's wild that they have the gall to say "abortions are our fries and soda" when only 3% of all medical treatment PP performs are abortions.
Right??? I had my first exam done at PP and it was the first time a doctor had ever treated me so well. They asked before they did everything, were supportive and non judgemental, and answered my questions openly and honestly. It's hilarious to me the way they portray it.
Unfortunately, you're very wrong. The lady behind this, Abby what's-her-name actually worked at PP. At some point she actually stole medical information and handed it over to Christian fanatics.
So it's even worse than you think.
@@Nocturnalux That is so, so much worse. It would be one thing if they fell into lies they were taught, and another thing entirely to know for a fact that the place is nothing like that, having worked on the inside, and still sell lies like this. I was raised by people who think like this and I believed a ton of dumb things because of it for a long time... every once in a while I still discover that there is something I learned that is completely wrong. Some of these lies about PP I once believed. To perpetuate this shit is disgusting.
Obviously they didn't manage to sell you their drinks and French fries
Considering that they mention Planned Parenthood by name multiple times, couldn't they sue Pure Flix for defamation or something similar?
Interesting how they haven’t tried to sue yet…very telling in fact
@@adriannedeforest8511 🗿
@@lxmesoda what flawless logic in that rebuttal 😂
@@adriannedeforest8511 ikr
@@lxmesoda maybe have a reason for your beliefs before believing them mindlessly
I'm european and I really can't stand the fact that those debates still exist in 2021.
Hey weird question but please answer: is a skin cell a living organism?
Hey here is your answer :
people be crazy in the us, im telling ya
total nutcases
I actually went to go see that movie in theaters with my Christian mother.
(Spoilers for all you avid pure flix fans)
I remember the emotional climax of the film were the main character is in the abortion room and the music is loud and intense and the whole thing is dramatic then the doctor goes
"Beam me up Scotty" and flicks the abortion switch and the music cuts and I absolutely lost it in the theater I just thought that was so funny. As it turns out that was NOT infact suppose to be a comedic moment and I was the only one laughing. my mom was not happy
That's pure gold
OMG. BEAM ME UP SCOTTY. Like what does that even mean in context? Energize the baby out of the uterus?????
@@rachelb4339 Yeetus the fetus
You are a GD superstar.
Shine on you crazy diamond!
Garth Hacksaw Imagine getting an abortion and the doctor says “beam me up Scotty”
I dislike the word “pro life”, especially since quite a few who are anti-abortion support the death penalty and fewer gun laws, while denying universal health care and social network expansion.
Also, not many vegans and vegetarians.
I dislike "pro-choice". I prefer pro-death. The choice part is incidental and practical. The death part is the important one.
@@MrCmon113
I’m not a huge fan of either terms myself. I believe in a right to choose whether a woman or girl wants to have a child and pro-life stances such as paid federal maternity leave and universal health care.
ok couple things here.
-Not saying im for the death penalty, in a perfect world we would be able to help all criminals, but comparing an innocent unborn baby and someone who hurt people one way or another really isn't a great argument. You see the big difference right?
-fewer gun laws? Guns are def. a right. Well in America they are. I'm all for self defense. There are many cases where people have died because they couldn't get access to a gun in time because the laws are already pretty strict. Guns are very important , especially for women.
-Def don't have a problem with universal healthcare.
-animal life and human life are not equal.
@@kva5751, a couple things to note
- In a perfect world there would be no criminals to begin with.
- Humans are animals.
@@MrCmon113 And I dislike pro-life, I prefer pro-state forced pregnancy.
I love how they literally have no idea how abortions work yet they made a movie
Abby Johnson literally worked at Planned Parenthood and witnessed that abortion AND had two herself. Maybe think before you comment
@@adriannedeforest8511 anecdotal experiences don't make the depiction of abortion in the movie any less stupid and wrong
@@adriannedeforest8511 maybe think before you comment
@@mannynoneya7143 do me a favor and do what no pro choice person has ever done for me and answer this question: how does a fetus not fit the seven characteristics of life in the same way an infant does?
@@adriannedeforest8511 and that… means she can’t make propaganda?
As someone who has had the debate that opened this video many, many times, continuing the argument invariably results in them blurting out that what they really want is to use babies to punish women for having sex. That's all they care about. Not the babies. The sex.
As an ex evangelical christian, this is exactly right. You get taught not to have sex out of marriage in the first place, and of course every marriage is happy with equal partnership and access to the pill, so no excuses for getting pregnant unplanned. It's your willful, headonistic, sinful fault if that happens.
Definately it is about the 'sins' of the woman rather than anything else. And then the attitide 'well, you shouldn't have been such a harlot then, should you?'
Wow, just wow! I've literally never met anyone who made that argument; what makes you think you've found a representative sample?
@chrispaige8880 "There are consequences to having sex", "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime", "back in the day, the only birth control pill a woman needed was an aspirin, held between the knees". Do any of these sound familiar?
@@Nerdsammich Right - what's the problem w/ these arguments? If you want to be free, you must live w/ the consequences of your choices; anything else isn't real freedom.
@@chrispaige8880 The point is that forced-birthers want to enforce a particular consequence for an activity that only they think is wrong. As I said, they don't care about babies. They just want to punish women for having sex, and a baby is the punishment. So not only do they hate women, they kind of hate babies too.
when my gf and i went in to planned parenthood the first thing the lady asked was if my gf wanted a hug and once they were done she showed us what our options were the first being to keep the baby and what support we could look forward to from them. on the way in though there were christian protestors calling us just the ugliest names one guy even said they are sacrificing babies to satan in there.
the entire experience of dealing with everything and everyone those people outside the first clinic to were the hardest most vile part of the process. They make me ashamed that i was a chirstian as a child :l
@@StrawberryMilk my gf her name was amy xc lol jk
Those people are not real Christians. Anyone can call themselves a Christian, but that doesn't make them one. Remember that. If you were an actual christian when you were a child, there's nothing to be ashamed about.
I hope that whatever choice you guys ended up making was the right one for you. I thank God all the time that I've never had to sit down and think that over because I've had a few scares myself and I know a couple women who had to make that choice themselves
And they call themselves Christians
@@kva5751 pfft nah im ashamed as fuck to have even be part of any religion
"We can't force him to do anything"
the character says while supporting laws that would force people to go through pregnancy when they don't want to
Forcing children to die is a thousand times worse
@@adriannedeforest8511 i really hope youve never had a period or ejaculated before. otherwise your body count would be pretty concerning no?
@@adriannedeforest8511
They were forced to be conceived so I don’t get the point here?
@Crystalyte a fetus does not fit the scientific definition of a parasite but it DOES fit the scientific definition of a human life and killing human lives is wrong
@@lumini3172 and technically all humans were forced to be born so we should kill all humans? I guess i dont get YOUR point
Speaking of the "fighting fetus" scene, we don't use ultrasound for every Dialation & Evaculation. And the fetus can't move like that.
I remember I had a friend in high school who claimed he was doing secular research on abortion... by reading Unplanned🤦♀️
Update: I love him a lot & we are still close friends! He's a good person, he always has been, however his parents are EXTREMELY conservative. Most of his family are far right-wingers. He had/has really good relationship with his parents, so it seemed like they encouraged him to "do [his] own research"... but their version of that was fucking Unplanned, which is rough. We are both 20 & he's grown up a lot since. He's still a Republican but he's open to conversations & genuine, opposite perspectives as opposed to just watching things like, "CRINGE SJW DESTROYED BY BEN SHAPIRO'S UNFATHOMABLE LOGIC!!!" Anyway, yeah. Just wanted to add that this was obviously a mistake but he was just a bit ignorant at the time. To some degree, we all were, just in various ways.
“Hey imma learn about the Jim Crow period in a nationalist way” reads memoirs by lynchers
[me, popping my collar]: well, actually, according to the Bible, life begins when a baby takes its first breath
edit: also numbers 5:11-31 actually says that if a woman cheats on her husband and gets pregnant, she must get an abortion
Where
which part is that so i can use it against christians lmao
@@deanmoriarty6015 genesis 2:7
It’s implies that Adam wasn’t alive until he was given breath
@@hobbitfromspace1500 thank you sir
@@andrewjejdjsjsjshshsj5850 genesis 2:7
Do "pro-life" people ever start programs to help women after they give birth? Are there adoption agencies for people who cannot care for children?
Nope
Haha no
With how many of them there are, I'm certain that there must have been ONE positive example, somewhere. Outliers do not a rule make, tho; the super-ultramajority of them still _suuuuuuucccckkk._
The cult i was in used to have an adoption program, añd it was literally just abusing teens into giving up their healthy white babies to "worthy childless couples" so basically it was just Jesus-approved child traffiking
In the sense that adoption can be a big business and some white evangelicals are obsessed with collecting children and giving them "a proper christian life" they do care about it. They need a poopl of disadvantaged exploitable women they can extort healty white babies out of, and I wouldn't put it far from them that they support policies to keep this pool ever present.
The less picky that want to look extra christian aim at exploitable children in various underprivileged and vulnerable children in Afrikan East-Asian and Eastern-European counties to stea.. I mean " lift out". Extra points go to those who put on "extra burden" and go for disabled children.
9:53 "Outlaw abortions and force every clinic that provides them to shut its doors? Well, no. That seems a bit dramatic."
Ah, aged like milk :')
Sad states are fully banning it. I am not pro-choice by any means but Abortion should always be legal in a lot of cases, the rest can just use birth control.
I think the key to understanding this lies in understanding the gap between anti-abortion rhetoric and what they actually believe. You talk about how in the film Abby's family and husband accept her even though they believe she's helping kill children and you're puzzled by this. I think the explanation is that "abortion is murder" is, for most pro-lifers, just a slogan, a way of framing the argument to benefit their position. What abortion is really about is controlling women's sexuality; it stems from a fear of the sexual liberation of women. In terms of the argument Cody makes, I agree, if you believe abortion is murder you wouldn't be fine with making it legal, but that doesn't explain why almost all pro-lifers promote abstinence only education and oppose the distribution of contraception. If I really believed abortion was murder I would be doing everything in my power to stop it, including preventing pregnancies. Pro-lifers don't do this because to them sex is the problem, sex is bad, sex is dirty/wrong, especially for women, especially for unmarried women. Pregnancy is the price women pay for having sex, in this view, so if a woman can have sex and just get an abortion, she can just do whatever she wants and that is terrifying to these people. It is a challenge to their view of the ideal society, where women are subservient to men, and good women get married and have lots of babies and bad women are forced to keep their babies and live in poverty--serves them right, is the thinking.
literally this. I changed a lot when I watched Innuedo Studios "I Hate Mondays" video. highly recommend if you haven't seen it. it's a great look into the reason why arguing with conservatives isn't a valuable time investment, because the fundamental core ideas of conservatism are not and never have been rooted in logic.
There are pro-lifers who are for contraception, but they have the belief contraceptives are 100% effective. When told that is not so they default to "then if you don't want to have kids then keep your legs closed". They adopt the same position than those pro-lifers who are agaisnt contraceptives right off the bat: pregnancy is a punishment for having sex for pleasure.
You nailed it. The thing that’s ironic is how much they claim “it’s for the innocent unborn” um no bitch, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say using an unborn child as a metaphorical stick to hit women with for having sex outside of marriage or for being raped means you’re using that “baby” as a means for punishment. It’s so fucking disgusting.
That's why I refuse to engage with people who make those points. It's very clearly not about giving actual reasons to outlaw abortion so much as it's about punishing women. Being forced to birth and raise a child you don't love is an extremely harsh and unbalanced punishment for having sex, which doesn't deserve to be punished in the first place. It's about being hateful, not productive, and those people aren't worth the brain cells. They often also take on a similar stance with class and economics, that poor people have somehow done something to deserve the disadvantages of poverty. Or even that poverty is unavoidable and necessary in order for everyone else to live a middle to upper class life, as if poor people are society's mandatory sacrificial lamb. They're just cruel privileged morons not worth engaging with.
I love this argument because it's so bizarre. How would I "control" a woman's sexuality by banning abortion? Banning abortions forces her to have MORE sex? With MORE partners? It requires her to have MORE. vaginal sex or LESS vaginal sex? It requires her to be with men? Or women? Or non-binaries? Literally, what aspect of her sexuality can I control via pregnancy? If you claimed I wanted to control her reproduction, the argument would - at least - be coherent, but sex? What does this have to do w/ sex? Seriously - please explain how this works.
Joel 2020... transitioning into his final beard form
Like many of us
Winter coat
No he’s going further. He’s gonna get a mountain man beard
Patrick Willems shaved his, but there must always be a quarantine beard
100% the thing I thought as the video started
Forcing women to bear children, will inevitably lead to children being born to families/single persons who don't want them, can't raise them or both. This leads to increased chances of children experiencing physical, verbal, sexual abuse, neglect, being exposed to adverse life events, developing various mental and physical illnesses etc. The amount of children being raised in families that cannot provide for them (physically, but most importantly, psychologically) is just sad... The other argument, that women should give their unwanted children for adoption... Yes, as if the majority of children spend some time in institutions and then get adopted by loving and capable families. That's not really the case. I live in Greece for example and I have seen first hand how children in all kinds of orphanages grow up. The hardcore pro-lifers should be campaigning for ubiquitous and proper sex ed, relationship skills and contraception usage. That's how you reduce abortions without forcing women to bear children. But the same group, usually holds a very negative stance towards sex ed, because they are usually pro (total) abstinence and against premarital sex and they cannot fathom/don't care that proper sex ed increases young people's sex rates by a bit, but it also increases SAFE sex rates by a lot, while abstinence only programs are near total failures... Religious dogmatism blinds you...
Let's not forget how impossible it would be to force women to be healthy for whole 9 months. They don't want the children so they will drink and smoke. If you put them in some kind of closed institution they will still harm children because of all the stress they will experience. During early pregnancy human body recognizes foetus as parasite and tries to get rid of it. If the body feels like it's in danger then it will be even more likely to reject the unwanted burden
You can't force women to be happy. Especially if they were rape victims
The pro-life laymen don't care about what happens after birth because the suffering isn't happening to them and can be ignored.
The pro-life people in power don't care about the suffering, because that suffering will most assuredly lead to a poorer quality life and education and stoking those insecurities keep them in power.
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 Exactly, it never occurred to me how women who are forced to bear will likely harm themselves directly and indirectly... Very valid point.
It's simple. The "pro-life" people aren't pro-life. They're pro-birth. They couldn't give less of a shit about a person once they're born, whether they be one minute old or one century.
@@scaper8 They say they're against abortion, but they will never criticize forced sterilization in concentration camps operated by ICE.
The fact that we watched that movie at biology class because our teacher was extremely biased Christian 💀
I've got a feeling that 1. This movie was written by a man and 2. Has never walked into a Planned Parenthood building and talked to anyone there.
The two men who wrote it look like stereotypical old white Christian dudes
There are women in the movie. Abby Johnson was a woman who had two abortions and the whole movie is her account of her experience at planned parenthood. Do your research before you say things without thinking.
@@adriannedeforest8511 shes the ONLY person w that experience
I'm sorry, but *THE ZYGOTE* sounds like a chaos lord from Warhammer of some shit.
Every time I hear it in the video I can't stop imagining a horrific creature covered in fangs and spikes, lusting for blood.
The Zygote, a monster of Khornate and Tzeentchian influence is a terrible beast, with the raw strength to defeat Warlord-class Titans single-handedly, but with a devious, cunning wit that makes them a nightmare for any foe. Some say the Zygote was what struck down the Emperor, felling Horus to cover its tracks before vanishing into the ether, not claiming responsibility so the blame would fall to others, and it could continue to work from the shadows, striking without warning or mercy and disappearing as quickly as it appeared, lying in wait to claim its next meal.
Hahah omg it actually does sound like that
Fittingly, it made me think of Metroid: Other M and "THE BABY"
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and that's why we must abort them 😌💅
How is this not just slander against planned parenthood? They do so much more than just abortions - which, in and of themselves, are necessary for the health and safety of countless people.
My intuition is that Planned Parenthood doesn't have the legal fund or public support to pull off the kind of suit they'd need to get PureFlix in tepid water for their grossly defamatory depiction.
@@timothymclean They are a bit lean on funding but there is a strong majority support in the country for PP (and even stronger support for legal abortions). It probably is more that they view it as a waste of resources and would at as a justification to do more against him by all those majority GOP state houses.
@@Danny-jl2sd LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK, PLEASE 👏👏👏👏
I went to planned parenthood for my abortion and they were so kind. I felt so informed and respected. Their was pro lifers outside which I was surprised about but they didn't stop me
Those other things they do are the burgers, abortions are just the fries and soda, I think.
"A zygote doesn't love, doesn't make plans, doesn't feel pain. It is not a person."
Whilst you are right, as a depressed person, I have exactly the same feelings as a zygote. Groovy. 😎
welp. the roe vs wade case was ruled over. :(
Came here to make this comment, and then drink heavily
@@benraisher same
@@benraisher ikr, I cannot wait till I get the opportunity to move to the Netherlands.
Background info to keep in mind: the traditional moment of "ensoulment" according to Christian tradition was the quickening, when the mother first feels the fetus moving. In Judaism, it isn't until the baby takes its first breath outside the womb -- and predictably, no, there isn't a scriptural reason for this discrepancy, nor for the modern shift to the belief that "life begins at conception." It wasn't pushed like that until the latter half of the twentieth century, when it was weaponized to act as a wedge issue.
I'm *sure* that has nothing to do with expanded rights and autonomy for women that occurred around the same period - that's just gotta be a coincidence, yeah?
Ensoulment, in Christianity, is called..."the quickening"?
...maybe _that's_ why Highlander: the Source took the STUPID turn it did...
@@christopherb501 No, I may just have been unclear; the moment when a pregnant person first feels the fetus move is referred to as the quickening, but I'm not 100% confident about the origin or history of the term - it's used by Christian scholars in the dark ages to delineate when a baby is "alive," but I don't know where exactly the term comes from, and its modern interpretation has nothing to do with souls.
@@khill8645 I stand by my crack theory; nothing about that movie makes any sense as is.
You mean to tell me that people with no understanding of human biology or fertility, people who didn't enforce the washing of doctors hands until the latter half of the 19th century, didn't conceive of the moment of conception (that they couldn't and didn't understand) as the beginning of life? Colour me shocked.
Also, the Republicans were pro-abortion, I believe up through the late 60s/early 70s, until the “moral majority” movement was “Christianized”, and like you said, it became a wedge issue.
Glad someone brought those other details up, though. I knew about “the quickening”, as I’m a Christian and like to study Christian history, but not about the “first breath” in Judaism, fascinating! The verses in Leviticus (I’m pretty sure, maybe Deuteronomy tho) were the way to figure out if your wife cheated on you are described, and you’re told how to know whether or not her pregnancy is the husband’s, by drinking the potion, and if it causes a miscarriage, that means she was a dirty cheating harlot, that makes more sense now. I guess if the baby/fetus had no soul yet, then this method of “Russian roulette abortion” was far more sensible to the Jewish people, or whichever Levite leaders came up with that crap, though I’m not sure if that was what they believed whenever the Pentateuch/Torah was written, and that lovely little rule created. I really hope that wasn’t something that was put into practice very often..
The hypocrisy/shortsightedness of people fighting tooth and nail to save fetuses while doing nothing to improve infant mortality rates in the US, which, for a rich and developed country, absolutely suck...
@@MiloDC infant is not a fetus. Infant mortality refers to the number of born infants who die before age 1.
@@MiloDC You sound dumb as hell, infant =/= fetus
Its a mater of priorities. Millions of children have died due to abortion, which makes it a top priority to bring an end to. To give an example, abortion has brought more death than the genocide of the Jews. We want to stop abortions, then we will move to help survival rates.
@@iamsethhasting8911 Lol. Great logic! Putting the carriage in front of the horses. Good luck with that!
@@eeaotly I'm actually doing things in the proper order. In order to make sure that the lives of future living children are better, we need to make sure that the children have a life in the first place. Abortion takes away a human's right to life in order to make the mother's life better. A life should only be traded for another life, nothing less. In most situations abortion trades a life for something less than another life, abortion is not logical. Over the past 40 years arround 35 million children died due to abortions, I'm trying to make sure that we don't lose another 35 million over the next 40 years. If you see a flaw in this logic, please point it out to me.
The logical next step would be for every woman of child bearing age to be medically checked every month to make sure she is not pregnant. That was done in Romania several years ago. That way abortion was prevented and women that had miscarriages were further traumatized.