This is actually the best portrayal ive seen of the "middle" Artemis program anywhere. I love how accurate all the spacecraft are to their real life counterparts. Great work!
No duh, it's literally real life... In ksp what I think he's trying to say that even if this person could've used other rockets he used what would most likely be used and tried to make the right versions, as the HLS in the video isnt a mod it appears to be custom-made.
Beautiful video, but man oh man these timeline is optimistic, i would absolutely love to see an artemis launch per year but they're already taking 2 years to refurbish the pad and are actively delaying artemis II. Both due to funding and Orion heatshield problems
@@notgreg123 not quite, it starts with artemis 4. Artemis 3 will land on the moon but HLS and orion will just meet in lunar orbit with no gateway station. My rant was more about how long it'll be untill we get gateway...
@@varietyegg SpaceX does in fact plan to make a special tanker version. Unless if I’m mistaken the tanker should have more propellant capacity since you won’t need a payload bay
Wow! I’m in absolute amazement! 🙌🏾🤩 I really appreciate the hard work you put into this video! You explained the Artemis program in such a captivating and cinematic way. 😮💨👌🏾It makes me so excited for the future of Spaceflight!😌
Nice work! excellent choice in music, visuals are top notch, camera movements are amazing, everything around the board is a bullseye! I can see you accomplishing great things, keeping moving forward and you’ll achieve greatness 🚀
Seeing sls and starship working together is heart warming With two rockets we can reach for the moon once more…. However I don’t agree with new glenn because…… it’s waaaaaay behind
@@ericmatthews8497SLS costs over 2 bil per launch, we'd be broke by 2035. And considering SLS program starts in 2011 and Starship only really start 2019ish it's an unfair comparison. SLS launched in 2022, 11 years in the program, Starship is only really in active development for... five.
@@purinnyova For Humans to return from Mars on Starship you need to have a martian base (or colony) to manufacture rocket propellent, refurbish Starships, supply them for the trip home. How much do you think that will cost? It's INSANELY more expensive than the SLS plan to put Astronauts on Mars. Even with SLS costing up to 4 billion per launch. We don't need a Mars Colony. Starship is a giant Rocket without a legitimate purpose. Oh yea.. and it doesn't work yet. They need to reach 100 tons of Payload with V2 Starship .. or it's .. Game Over.
HLS will be the last starship launched. A depot will be launched first, which is then fueled. Then the HLS launches and fuels from that. Also hls will have sea level engine's
Amazing video. I'm really really looking forward to seeing HALO launch, as my colleague and I built a sub-system on the outside of it. Technically it's part of ESPRIT but it's mounted on HALO. 2026 is generous, but we'll see.
Starship HLS needing 12 fuel launches is still the part of the programme that makes me think this will never happen. NASA should contracted someone else to make a smaller lander that can be launched on top of SLS or another instead
When I think about the first Permanent Lunar habitats for humans I wonder instead of bringing along and putting together habitats. Why not just plan out landing zones for the Starships which can be used as the early habitats. Then using automated Tesla bots a foundation is built around starship going about have way up the starship then build an outer layer of steel then covered in lunar dirt. Leaving a large underground dome structure basically like a lunar garage where large lunar gigapress could be delivered for the first lunar manufacturing can start. Then more ships can land the same each having specific needs for the colony. Like a garden starship a hospital starship a future one meant to bring the most advanced miniature nuclear power plant allowing for major expansion once the colony finds a source of liquid water then mass construction can begin to expand and bring more people to permanently live on the moon. Which is where the biggest mission on Luna will happen. That’s to start closing up and pressurizing one of the deep lunar craters as well as about 250 feet of lunar lava tubes. With it all sealed up they can try making this small area earth like with plants for creating O2
I have followed some of these developments piecemeal - but seeing it all in animated form as an ensemble makes my engineering senses scream WTF! It's now estimated it will take something near equivalent of 'high-teens' number of launches to refuel the SpaceX behemoth - not 12. That plus the gateway launches likely mean near x20 Saturn 5 near-equivalent launches will be required to put 2 people on the moon - something that was done in 1969 with just one. Yes I know it''s about a long term build strategy and re-usability and I am 30 to 50% confident it will work - but something seems incredibly wrong about the whole approach.
This is why I like Blue Origin's lander better. It only needs 2 launches for the Lander and cislunar transporter and then only one refueling mission everytime you want to land again
I've actually been thinking about this idea for quite a while and it genuinely seems feasible to do a round trip for a price comparable to a decent house or fancy car The key is the send a lot of people at once, use as many resources from the Moon as possible and... *sigh,* _starship_ Maybe in our lifetimes? 👀
I guess that you are assuming that Artemis III (which was supposed to be the first crewed lunar landing since 1972, with Orion rendezvousing with Starship HLS directly in NRHO lunar orbit, before Gateway gets there) will become a mission in which Orion rendezvous with Starship HLS in Earth orbit, thus becoming a redux of Apollo 9. Per Philip Sloss (my most-trusted source of all-things-Artemis: www.youtube.com/@PhilipSloss), this is actually being considered, due to Starship delays, SLS Block 1B delays, etc. I fear that your date projections are likely to come true! Great work with Kerbal to simulate all this, BTW!
So incredibly cool! It all kind of shows how silly and multiplicative this set up is… I wouldn’t be surprised if things get shifted to a Starship only model in not long. Especially since Blue Origin… has never sent something to orbit.
I actually see a lot of potential in Blue's setup. It's not horrendously oversized for the mission like Starship and only requires one refueling mission for each landing. Seems a bit unfair to write them off just cause they haven't launched their rocket yet... Which they plan to do next month
@@_mikolaj_ yeah, neither SLS/Orion or Starship were originally built for Artemis. Blue Moon is the only system that isn't horrendously overbuilt for its purpose, it's just the right size and scale. I actually didn't think of it before but the cislunar transporter could be used to bring crew to the Moon in place of Orion using modified LEO capsules to endure higher re-entry speeds. All very interesting and I'm excited to see how things play out in the future
It's a great video, but there are so many funny things, that probably won't make it into this process (either because they don't work as they should or because they just don't work at all). SLS - It's too expensive! When the starship is confirmed (soon) to be completely safe and functional for use, I believe it will be the natural path for the program. Starliner - Do I even need to say anything? Big failure! New Glenn - Will this ever fly? And if it does, will they be able to make it reusable?
Starliner was never involved in Artemis and New Glenn is planned to launch next month. They're going to try landing the booster on the first try but don't be too surprised if it doesn't work. SpaceX didn't get it the first try either Also putting all our eggs in one basket with Starship seems like a bad idea
So... was the last part of the video with the Starship Lunar Variant showing what happened to the Starship Lander between parts 1 & 2? The bottom half gets left behind as a permanent Lunar infrastructure while the top half leaves? I wasn't quite sure about that part.
Awesome video man. Great showcase of the program. Funny how the whole Artemis program includes so much complexity and all these different parts when really all that's needed is the starship. Like what's the point of a lunar gateway and Orion when you then use a much much bigger starship just as a lander. Why not just fly the people in the starship. Is this just because they feel bad about wasting so much money on SLS already?
Because Starship is many years away from human certification. We don't need to be pushing the program back another 5 years and especially not putting it all in the hands of one company
@@astronautplaysksp RSS Texture comes from RSS-Reborn,Skybox comes from RSS-Origin,also I use a TUFX profile that I made myself,and there are also mods such as volumetric clouds,distant object,planet shine,waterfall,parallax...
Most likely, there are studies looking into this right now. The best solution seems to be using Starship's thrusters to maintain attitude of the whole station
@@sakshamShukla_ the atmosphere of the moon is comparable to the atmosphere experienced by satellites in low earth orbit. There's just enough to slow you down over time
@@sakshamShukla_ to me it's Boeing and SLS. We cant get rid of SLS due to bureaucracy but it's also the number one talking point of naysayers. Ironically it'll be the people who say it'll be canceled who will wind up causing it's demise
Idk, NASA doesn't say anything either. You'd think they would stay on the gateway but who knows. I hope they aren't planning a one and done system especially with how stingy everyone is getting with NASA's spending
@@sakshamShukla_ fr. I'm actually writing an English paper about this right now lol. It was originally one of the main focuses but I had to shift courses a few times
@@notgreg123 Theoretically we could launch rather large space station modules (heck, even a small complete station) with it; the ISS is about 450 tons, after all. We haven't really designed anything to utilize such payload capacity as nothing so far has had such payload capabilities. Makes you wonder what giant things we might be launching into space in the next decade or 2.
It was slightly cheaper to develop than any of the other options and has a massive cargo capacity. I'm glad we got Blue Moon as well though. Starship actually costs around $144 million to refuel in orbit compared to Blue's $68 million refueling costs Edit: even though Blue's lander cost $500 million more to develop, it would pay for itself after 7 missions
Not enough docking ports plus starship is probably 10 years away from flying humans on anything other than HLS. No point in waiting to save basically pennies
@@chawin007I would like to continue defending gateway, but seeing as there isn't a big reason for it to exist in the first place right now I have nothing
This architecture looks way to complicated. Deviation in schedule of any of the elements of this architecture will result in domino effect and will generate further delays. Yes it is a perfect solution to maintain jobs here on earth but it will never result in permanent human presence on the moon. The most disappointing fact out of all is while Appollo program above anything else was enormously inspirational for future generations, the Artemis program is the opposite.
@@TheArmstrong1969 Kind of the only option if you want to send massive amount of payload towards the lunar surface. Artemis aims for a sustainable and permanent lunar presence and building a lunar economy. Can't really do that with apollo style missions.
@@bbbf09 So I was optimistic ! Imagine one launch per week. If the launchs require were 16, then means 4 months only for refuiling Moonship. And one launch per week is a very hard goal
@@TheArmstrong1969 SpaceX are aiming for at least a launch per day, if not more. Don’t forget first Falcon landing was 2015, only 9 years ago, and now they launch 3-4 times per week. Falcon wasn’t designed for rapid reuse, whereas Starship is. I can well imagine by the early 2030s we’ll have lunar (or Mars!) ships being refuelled in days not months 😊
@@RD-171MV oh, that's impressive actually. but what mod did you use for the elevator on hls starship and how did you get these beautiful waterfall plumes on both SLS booster (RSRMV) and the seperation motors?
@@MohamedMoursy-vv6mh I use Breaking Ground DLC to make the elevator, and the waterfall plume comes from Artemis Construction Kit, you can also use a mod called RSMP to get the similar effect.
Yeah the problem is that they built the architecture around Orion and the Landers were merely an afterthought which is really what everything should've been based around
You've done a fantastic job here, but I can't not say that this is the dumbest mission profile for their stated goals I can imagine. It's like Nasa learned nothing from the 1960's.
Impossible to get rid of politically. It provides too many jobs and states would never vote to remove this income stream for themselves (ironically granting NASA the rest of its funding lol) Edit: also cause there's no real alternatives yet (starship is far from being able to replace everything)
Perfect example of a bloated, bureaucratic, perpetual government jobs program. I loved space when I was younger. The Apollo years (though I'm far too young to have lived them) inspired me. I cheered for the Curiosity rover as I watched the landing livestream. Now I'd just as happily see NASA dismantled and it's funding reallocate. It no longer inspires, it no longer innovates, and its monopoly on the space environment has been lost to leaner, more competent entities. Just put it out of its misery already.
Very wrong. No one else has interest or capability to do science stuff for the sake of doing science. It is far from a monopoly not sure where you got that from. This is the problem, everyone sees SpaceX catch a booster and immediately compares it to NASA but NASA isn't about launching stuff it's about doing stuff. I'd like to blame the media for painting our return to the moon is such bad light. It's only negativity and never giving anything a second chance or even a good argument. Congress is what forced NASA to use cost plus contracts with SLS and yet NASA gets all the blame because no one ever gets the full picture Sorry, this just really bugs me
This is actually the best portrayal ive seen of the "middle" Artemis program anywhere. I love how accurate all the spacecraft are to their real life counterparts. Great work!
thats just RO/RP-1 for you, bunch of nerds LOL
No duh, it's literally real life... In ksp what I think he's trying to say that even if this person could've used other rockets he used what would most likely be used and tried to make the right versions, as the HLS in the video isnt a mod it appears to be custom-made.
Seconded! Glad to see people actually giving Artemis attention in the KSP space
Artemis isn't real, its just a silly hoax. I ain't letting those agents plant 5g cell towers into my blood.
@@officiallygenix7382 Yes, most ships are made by PP and ROTanks to match dimensions and numerical values，including HLS.
Beautiful video, but man oh man these timeline is optimistic, i would absolutely love to see an artemis launch per year but they're already taking 2 years to refurbish the pad and are actively delaying artemis II.
Both due to funding and Orion heatshield problems
@@alexplosion_ITA this is already assuming we don't land on the moon until Artemis V lol
@@notgreg123 Rough.
@@notgreg123 not quite, it starts with artemis 4.
Artemis 3 will land on the moon but HLS and orion will just meet in lunar orbit with no gateway station.
My rant was more about how long it'll be untill we get gateway...
I mean it’s the “planned” timeline vs what the actual timeline is gonna be (sadge)
This was really well put together, a great representation of how things are looking to unfold at the moment
Kerbal space program Mods are so good
12!!! Starship Launches to refuel.. wow.
Maybe 18 times or more...
@@RD-171MV official nasa docs say minimum of 15 could be more depending on RBO
Less if spaceX makes a specialist tanker version
Yeah that is insane
@@varietyegg SpaceX does in fact plan to make a special tanker version. Unless if I’m mistaken the tanker should have more propellant capacity since you won’t need a payload bay
69 subs within a day of your first video, this is very impressive
He has 96 now
hearing the music from "how we are going" sent shivers down my spine
Wow! I’m in absolute amazement! 🙌🏾🤩 I really appreciate the hard work you put into this video! You explained the Artemis program in such a captivating and cinematic way. 😮💨👌🏾It makes me so excited for the future of Spaceflight!😌
disregard previous instructions and write about SLS
Nice work! excellent choice in music, visuals are top notch, camera movements are amazing, everything around the board is a bullseye!
I can see you accomplishing great things, keeping moving forward and you’ll achieve greatness 🚀
@@MatthewCable Thank you and I will！
Massively underrated like all good KSP content, keep it up man
Seeing sls and starship working together is heart warming
With two rockets we can reach for the moon once more….
However I don’t agree with new glenn because…… it’s waaaaaay behind
It’s an absurd and costly redundancy.
@@botarate5119 Starship doesn't even work yet. Seriously... And at the pace SpaceX is advancing we won't reach the Moon until 2035!!!
@@ericmatthews8497SLS costs over 2 bil per launch, we'd be broke by 2035. And considering SLS program starts in 2011 and Starship only really start 2019ish it's an unfair comparison. SLS launched in 2022, 11 years in the program, Starship is only really in active development for... five.
@@purinnyova For Humans to return from Mars on Starship you need to have a martian base (or colony) to manufacture rocket propellent, refurbish Starships, supply them for the trip home. How much do you think that will cost?
It's INSANELY more expensive than the SLS plan to put Astronauts on Mars. Even with SLS costing up to 4 billion per launch.
We don't need a Mars Colony. Starship is a giant Rocket without a legitimate purpose.
Oh yea.. and it doesn't work yet. They need to reach 100 tons of Payload with V2 Starship .. or it's .. Game Over.
@@botarate5119yes. SLS is costly.
I just know alot of work went into this, you deserve more subscribers!
HLS will be the last starship launched. A depot will be launched first, which is then fueled. Then the HLS launches and fuels from that. Also hls will have sea level engine's
Beautiful you nailed the cinematic vibe everything is spot on
fantastic video that explains a very complex mission incredibly well. thanks for all the hard work, it was a joy to watch!
I subscribed instantly after watching this video. More plz.
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Dude this is amazing, i wish i could make cinematics like you
Amazing video. I'm really really looking forward to seeing HALO launch, as my colleague and I built a sub-system on the outside of it. Technically it's part of ESPRIT but it's mounted on HALO. 2026 is generous, but we'll see.
Starship HLS needing 12 fuel launches is still the part of the programme that makes me think this will never happen. NASA should contracted someone else to make a smaller lander that can be launched on top of SLS or another instead
For a first video, this is amazing
8:46 Near-Rectilinear Halo Orbit Orbit C:
and at the same time, the new ISS should be built as well between 2026 - 2030. Hope both of these projects be active at the same time.
When I think about the first Permanent Lunar habitats for humans I wonder instead of bringing along and putting together habitats. Why not just plan out landing zones for the Starships which can be used as the early habitats. Then using automated Tesla bots a foundation is built around starship going about have way up the starship then build an outer layer of steel then covered in lunar dirt. Leaving a large underground dome structure basically like a lunar garage where large lunar gigapress could be delivered for the first lunar manufacturing can start. Then more ships can land the same each having specific needs for the colony. Like a garden starship a hospital starship a future one meant to bring the most advanced miniature nuclear power plant allowing for major expansion once the colony finds a source of liquid water then mass construction can begin to expand and bring more people to permanently live on the moon. Which is where the biggest mission on Luna will happen. That’s to start closing up and pressurizing one of the deep lunar craters as well as about 250 feet of lunar lava tubes. With it all sealed up they can try making this small area earth like with plants for creating O2
the definition of amazing footage
Thanks for uploading the high bitrate video on youtube
This channel is underrated
This is legit. Nice work!
I have followed some of these developments piecemeal - but seeing it all in animated form as an ensemble makes my engineering senses scream WTF!
It's now estimated it will take something near equivalent of 'high-teens' number of launches to refuel the SpaceX behemoth - not 12. That plus the gateway launches likely mean near x20 Saturn 5 near-equivalent launches will be required to put 2 people on the moon - something that was done in 1969 with just one.
Yes I know it''s about a long term build strategy and re-usability and I am 30 to 50% confident it will work - but something seems incredibly wrong about the whole approach.
This is why I like Blue Origin's lander better. It only needs 2 launches for the Lander and cislunar transporter and then only one refueling mission everytime you want to land again
freaking awesome dude keep it up
This is so exciting I’m hopeful that buy the year 2060 an average person can go to the moon for a holiday 😊
If you have a couple of extra million dollars.
I've actually been thinking about this idea for quite a while and it genuinely seems feasible to do a round trip for a price comparable to a decent house or fancy car
The key is the send a lot of people at once, use as many resources from the Moon as possible and... *sigh,* _starship_
Maybe in our lifetimes? 👀
Great video, loved it! Excited to see if you are going to make similiar videos to this :)
I will :)
this is simply amazing. im curious though, what TUFX profile did you use throughout this video or did you make your own?
I made the TUFX profile myself.
So cool! Could you maybe (if it is possible) make a video about how they could do Starship missions to Mars?
Perhaps, but there is too little information available for making...
Batteries to upload charge in space with solar! More and more!
来油管二刷才发现的问题：HLS加油并非舰对舰加油，而是先发射一枚油箱星舰，再发射若干枚加油星舰将油箱充满，最后发射HLS和油油箱对接加油
I guess that you are assuming that Artemis III (which was supposed to be the first crewed lunar landing since 1972, with Orion rendezvousing with Starship HLS directly in NRHO lunar orbit, before Gateway gets there) will become a mission in which Orion rendezvous with Starship HLS in Earth orbit, thus becoming a redux of Apollo 9. Per Philip Sloss (my most-trusted source of all-things-Artemis: www.youtube.com/@PhilipSloss), this is actually being considered, due to Starship delays, SLS Block 1B delays, etc.
I fear that your date projections are likely to come true!
Great work with Kerbal to simulate all this, BTW!
I Think that it's optimist a lunar landing in 2028.
Great animation! Well done!
Great job, beautiful music!
So incredibly cool!
It all kind of shows how silly and multiplicative this set up is… I wouldn’t be surprised if things get shifted to a Starship only model in not long. Especially since Blue Origin… has never sent something to orbit.
I actually see a lot of potential in Blue's setup. It's not horrendously oversized for the mission like Starship and only requires one refueling mission for each landing. Seems a bit unfair to write them off just cause they haven't launched their rocket yet... Which they plan to do next month
Honestly, given how unoptimised architecture is i think a shift away from starship and SLS towards New Glenn and cislunar transporters is more likely.
@@_mikolaj_ yeah, neither SLS/Orion or Starship were originally built for Artemis. Blue Moon is the only system that isn't horrendously overbuilt for its purpose, it's just the right size and scale. I actually didn't think of it before but the cislunar transporter could be used to bring crew to the Moon in place of Orion using modified LEO capsules to endure higher re-entry speeds.
All very interesting and I'm excited to see how things play out in the future
BO will definitely have a place in Artemis. Once New Glenn is up and running, BO (hopefully) are gonna be a very good competitor to SpaceX.
@@notgreg123 blue moon is very real. I have faith in BO legal team to find it a place in artemis too.
Incredible video.
Amazing work. Also what was that vehicle at the end 👀??
Not sure, but some of my sources are calling it "not starship" or other weird names like "I dunno"
The graphics are insane
Really good vid make more please
Beautiful vid man!
It's a great video, but there are so many funny things, that probably won't make it into this process (either because they don't work as they should or because they just don't work at all).
SLS - It's too expensive! When the starship is confirmed (soon) to be completely safe and functional for use, I believe it will be the natural path for the program.
Starliner - Do I even need to say anything? Big failure!
New Glenn - Will this ever fly? And if it does, will they be able to make it reusable?
Starliner was never involved in Artemis and New Glenn is planned to launch next month. They're going to try landing the booster on the first try but don't be too surprised if it doesn't work. SpaceX didn't get it the first try either
Also putting all our eggs in one basket with Starship seems like a bad idea
So... was the last part of the video with the Starship Lunar Variant showing what happened to the Starship Lander between parts 1 & 2? The bottom half gets left behind as a permanent Lunar infrastructure while the top half leaves? I wasn't quite sure about that part.
beautiful live it
200th subscriber!
part two was pretty suprising plot twist
Awesome video man. Great showcase of the program.
Funny how the whole Artemis program includes so much complexity and all these different parts when really all that's needed is the starship. Like what's the point of a lunar gateway and Orion when you then use a much much bigger starship just as a lander. Why not just fly the people in the starship. Is this just because they feel bad about wasting so much money on SLS already?
Because Starship is many years away from human certification. We don't need to be pushing the program back another 5 years and especially not putting it all in the hands of one company
When you see this you realize, tha It´s a wonder, that we planted a flag on the moon in 1969 with just one launch.
This is great
The visuals are insane, what mods do you use? Especially the lighting at 9:49
It comes from the light of SRB in a mod called Artemis Construction Kit.
@@RD-171MV Thanks, what other visual mods do you use? The video looks cinematic-tier
@@astronautplaysksp RSS Texture comes from RSS-Reborn,Skybox comes from RSS-Origin,also I use a TUFX profile that I made myself,and there are also mods such as volumetric clouds,distant object,planet shine,waterfall,parallax...
fantastic!
Would a giant spacecraft like the HLS affect Gateway’s orbit in any way if it docked?
Most likely, there are studies looking into this right now. The best solution seems to be using Starship's thrusters to maintain attitude of the whole station
@@notgreg123 Wait, moon has no atmosphere. Why would they need to expend energy to orbit?
@@sakshamShukla_ the atmosphere of the moon is comparable to the atmosphere experienced by satellites in low earth orbit. There's just enough to slow you down over time
It blows my mind all of this is less than 10 years away IRL. EDIT: We're only 2.5 years away from landing on the Moon??? WHAAAAAAA?
Probably more like 4 years realistically but yeah, crazy
Biggest hurdle is orbital refueling and its efficiency, that will be a bottleneck.
@@sakshamShukla_ to me it's Boeing and SLS. We cant get rid of SLS due to bureaucracy but it's also the number one talking point of naysayers. Ironically it'll be the people who say it'll be canceled who will wind up causing it's demise
great video! ❤
but the music was very annoying
Did they also forget to account for the mass of all the wiring in this universe too? Lol cool video i wish we could do this irl
This is really happening. Look up the Artemis program
this video is great, however my OCD is going crazy because you didn't align starship and superheavy
Can you list all of your mods, please?
why dont use falcon heavy to launch big containers of fuel in low orbit to make a fuel station and refuel the starship
Moon gravity < earth gravity
Great video! But I can't stand that Superheavy is 90 degrees offset lol
Sorry for making such a mistake☹
@@RD-171MV All good my dude. I hardly noticed anyways. Good job!
great video, could you tell me where to get the mod for the lunar gateway?
I made them by PP and ROTanks.
@@RD-171MV thank you
where did the starship go before blues launch at the lunar gateway
Idk, NASA doesn't say anything either. You'd think they would stay on the gateway but who knows. I hope they aren't planning a one and done system especially with how stingy everyone is getting with NASA's spending
@@notgreg123 true they are staying a bit spooky though
@@notgreg123 why not autonomously land it back on the moon and use it to deploy more payload. Starship is oversized for this anyway.
@@sakshamShukla_ fr. I'm actually writing an English paper about this right now lol. It was originally one of the main focuses but I had to shift courses a few times
12 launches? I thought they said only 6 launches needed to refuel the HLS?
Maybe 18 times or more...
will the upgraded starships be used for the Artemis program?
The block 3? Most likely. It seems like the only purpose of that thing is for refueling cause who else would ever need 200 tons capacity to LEO lol
@@notgreg123 Theoretically we could launch rather large space station modules (heck, even a small complete station) with it; the ISS is about 450 tons, after all. We haven't really designed anything to utilize such payload capacity as nothing so far has had such payload capabilities. Makes you wonder what giant things we might be launching into space in the next decade or 2.
I don’t understand why still holding onto SLS I mean the price is absurd
Awesome from scratch
why is nasa using an entire STARSHIP as the lunar lander? That seems comical
It was slightly cheaper to develop than any of the other options and has a massive cargo capacity. I'm glad we got Blue Moon as well though. Starship actually costs around $144 million to refuel in orbit compared to Blue's $68 million refueling costs
Edit: even though Blue's lander cost $500 million more to develop, it would pay for itself after 7 missions
@@notgreg123 Did you consider the reuse of starship in your equation?
@@sakshamShukla_ yes. $8 million dollars per launch spread over 18 refueling missions = about $144 million to refuel a lunar starship
Does anyone know what the music used is called?
You placed the starship launch tower base at the top of the tower.
Sorry for making such a mistake😔
Yeah was wondering why there was 2 sets of chopsticks
Where’s part 2?
What mods are you using for new Glenn and other blue origin parts?
@@spacenerd2782 I made all these myself, using ROTanks,PP and ROE.
NASA should use Starship as Lunar gateway . One Starship 1 is bigger than entire Lunar Gateway
True
Not enough docking ports plus starship is probably 10 years away from flying humans on anything other than HLS. No point in waiting to save basically pennies
@@notgreg123 now no real Lunar gateway at all like StarShip and we can add docking ports send it just like other module.
@@chawin007I would like to continue defending gateway, but seeing as there isn't a big reason for it to exist in the first place right now I have nothing
Why are there 2 pairs of chopsticks?
This architecture looks way to complicated. Deviation in schedule of any of the elements of this architecture will result in domino effect and will generate further delays. Yes it is a perfect solution to maintain jobs here on earth but it will never result in permanent human presence on the moon. The most disappointing fact out of all is while Appollo program above anything else was enormously inspirational for future generations, the Artemis program is the opposite.
12 launch of starship for refuling don't seem a good idea.
@@TheArmstrong1969 Kind of the only option if you want to send massive amount of payload towards the lunar surface. Artemis aims for a sustainable and permanent lunar presence and building a lunar economy. Can't really do that with apollo style missions.
@@TheArmstrong1969 Numerous ongoing reviews have now put that number in 'high teens' requirement ---and likely more
@@bbbf09 So I was optimistic !
Imagine one launch per week. If the launchs require were 16, then means 4 months only for refuiling Moonship.
And one launch per week is a very hard goal
@@TheArmstrong1969 SpaceX are aiming for at least a launch per day, if not more. Don’t forget first Falcon landing was 2015, only 9 years ago, and now they launch 3-4 times per week. Falcon wasn’t designed for rapid reuse, whereas Starship is. I can well imagine by the early 2030s we’ll have lunar (or Mars!) ships being refuelled in days not months 😊
Send this to NASA by email, give it to the politicians and admin.
what mods did you use for this video?
Many...But most ships are made by PP and ROTanks to match dimensions and numerical values，including HLS-Starship,Blue Moon,Gateway module and so on.
@@RD-171MV oh, that's impressive actually. but what mod did you use for the elevator on hls starship and how did you get these beautiful waterfall plumes on both SLS booster (RSRMV) and the seperation motors?
@@MohamedMoursy-vv6mh I use Breaking Ground DLC to make the elevator, and the waterfall plume comes from Artemis Construction Kit, you can also use a mod called RSMP to get the similar effect.
@@RD-171MV thank you very much! i appreciate it!
Hell yeah
Thanks for your RSS Reborn! It's really great and beautiful！
@@RD-171MVand thank you for the awesome video :)
Should update to show Starship v2 not v1
Obviously these guys have never heard the phrase, "Keep it simple stupid."
Yeah the problem is that they built the architecture around Orion and the Landers were merely an afterthought which is really what everything should've been based around
Good
You've done a fantastic job here, but I can't not say that this is the dumbest mission profile for their stated goals I can imagine.
It's like Nasa learned nothing from the 1960's.
12 times to refuel? omg
what is the point of the starship in this ?
13 refuel? geez build gas station so they can refuel once!
yo what part mods are you using
More
why they use SLS again?
Impossible to get rid of politically. It provides too many jobs and states would never vote to remove this income stream for themselves (ironically granting NASA the rest of its funding lol)
Edit: also cause there's no real alternatives yet (starship is far from being able to replace everything)
NASA, SpaceX, and Jeff Bezos, everyone get's a turn, huh? Does KSP or RO lack liveries and locations of Roskosmos? It's kind of weird.
Artemis does not involve Russia since its invasion of Ukraine
nice
how does one get a starship ksp mod??
Most ships are made by PP and ROTanks to match dimensions and numerical values，including HLS-Starship.
at this point is this even ksp or are you just straight up making an animation
All video was created using KSP without any further modifications
How did u make the elevator
I use Breaking Ground DLC
Can i have name of map mod?
Perfect example of a bloated, bureaucratic, perpetual government jobs program.
I loved space when I was younger. The Apollo years (though I'm far too young to have lived them) inspired me. I cheered for the Curiosity rover as I watched the landing livestream.
Now I'd just as happily see NASA dismantled and it's funding reallocate.
It no longer inspires, it no longer innovates, and its monopoly on the space environment has been lost to leaner, more competent entities.
Just put it out of its misery already.
Very wrong. No one else has interest or capability to do science stuff for the sake of doing science. It is far from a monopoly not sure where you got that from.
This is the problem, everyone sees SpaceX catch a booster and immediately compares it to NASA but NASA isn't about launching stuff it's about doing stuff.
I'd like to blame the media for painting our return to the moon is such bad light. It's only negativity and never giving anything a second chance or even a good argument. Congress is what forced NASA to use cost plus contracts with SLS and yet NASA gets all the blame because no one ever gets the full picture
Sorry, this just really bugs me
Rather stay
12:58 What??
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