And! The Brigadier also met with the Sixth Doctor. Technically it was an audio drama by Big Finish, but dammit, it should be considered canon regardless. Doubly so because it also has Evelyn as a companion.
I say the Invasion would have done better had it been made, and broadcast in its originally intended 6 parts and also the Cybermen should have been better portrayed than they were in the broadcast version where they hardly spoke much.
Yeah, while I like The Mind Robber purely because when a TV show starts feeling like it took a bad trip, my interest sparks purely for where its going...I LOVE The War Games. Its actually got the darkest ending to any story in Doctor Who history - whether you see the Regenerations as Death or not, being forced to change at the hands of all powerful Cyber Gods is a concept that would have anyone terrified. I also love how out of the blue it is. When you start watching it, you don't expect it to be his last story. Thats not the only reason I love it though. I love the whole feel of everything against the main heroes, how often they have to convince people "what we're saying is true" and how much you start questioning it when we reveal the other time zones outside of the World War 1 one. Yeah, overall, its my favourite story in Doctor Who...Troughton does that a lot with me. So yeah, if you haven't seen it, SEE IT!
3:58 I guess Steven Moffat thought it was wrong that Nicholas Courtney never showed up again in New Who so he made one of the Cyberman In series 8 The Brigadeer. Also it should be noted in the comics the 9th Doctor ended up reuniting with The Brigadeer, Benton and Harry
Time Lord 1 has been confirmed as Goth in some expanded media. That piece of expanded media also confirms this character to also be Gulliver from The Mind Robber, for some reason.
5:21 I think it's fair to argue that Terrance Dicks was more important than Holmes in the grand scheme of things. I prefer Holmes' writing but in terms of overall impact on the show I feel Dicks has made more of an impact
troughton is my favorite doctor of all time and this is my favorite season of all time. but i actually loved the krotons story so much so that it was almost my favorite story of all time! (nothing will beat robots of death for me)
08:10 - To be fair, I think the intent behind the Warlords’ motivations was that they were actually studying the captured human armies. As they are, as you said, already powerful, they wouldn’t benefit from the powerful, but non creative species like Rastons, Ogrons and other races like that. No, what the Warlords needed were a species that had committed a great majority of their history to the art of war/warfare and unleashing it upon themselves time after time, i.e., humans. So, with the help of the Warchief who, as established in the episode provided tardises to travel to various points in humanity’s history, the Warlords manage to go back in time and yoink up armies from both fronts of their respective wars from those points in history and place them in a mysterious time displaced realm of which not only do they control, but is split up into multiple areas made to look like the various war zones each pairing of armies originally came from. From there, under strict yet subtle mind control from Warlord’s disguised as key leaders of each army, each specific pair of armies are made to fight one another in the various 11 areas of this realm (also known as zones) as if they were still fighting in whatever wars they came from, completely unaware that they’re being secretly observed by the Warlords who are analysing them to extract the creative battle tactics all the various armies are using to fight each other so that the Warlords can copy and implement them into their own armies of themselves that they will use to conquer the galaxy and establish a vast galactic empire of which they will rule over for eternity! Or, at least that’s what I believe the Warlords’ plan actually was devised from my own personal viewing of the story. Make of it what you will and be free to comment!
About New Who being against killing, didn't Tennent's doctor kill the main villain in a badass manner in his first appearance? I preferred that version of number 10.
+Badre Bally With that and his bringing down of Harriet Jones, Xmas Invasion made him look like he was going to be a total badass. What happened?! lol!
I'm pretty sure after cassandra possessed him in new earth some of her evil thoughts might have remained in his brain, subconsciously making him want to help the bad guys, thinking killing is ok as long as he's not the one doing it
I know right? First time I saw that I was like: "this Doctor is gonna wreck shit" and then they completely forgot about that badass shit and he just moped.
Just asking about the Time Lords basically never having that level of power seen in the War Games anywhere else in Who. Is there a possibility that the lords there were using the powers of Rassilon, then when Omega attacked in The Three Doctors they lost the ability to take his power and use it? I'm just saying that I want some explanation for why The Time Lords have that kind of power once then never again.
Frazer Hines said at an event yesterday, that if his agent and another hadn't been saying move on, he and Troughton would have probably stayed for years.
The Invasion was intended to be originally made and shown in 6 part and in that story the Cybermen were not as well portrayed as they should have been as main villains they rarely talked which was awful and never thankfully repeated in later Cyberstories in classic Dr Who stories.
The Dominators - Ok The Mind Robber - Great The Invasion - Amazing The Krotons - Bad The Seeds of Death - Great The Space Pirates - Shit The War Games - Magnificent
The dominators - 6/10 The mind robber - 10/10 The invasion - 10/10 The Krotons - 8/10 ( nice, funny. ) The seeds of death - 9/10 The space pirates - 9/10 ( fun, good, amazing action. ) The war games - 10/10 10/10 - 3
New Doctors aversion to kill compared to classic ones is understandable if you remember that he fought in the Time War and possibly killed thousands while at it. And someone probably made this argument already and all I managed to achieve was annoy you.
It has a lot of good episodes in it, some of which (e.g. Turn Left and to a lesser extent Midnight) are largely forgotten, and is judged for some bad eggs, far better than either the Moffat or Chibnall era.
My personal episode rating are The dominators/okay The mind robber/personal favourite The invasion/great The Krotons/okay The seeds of death/okay The space pirates/bad The war games/legend
10:40 I did something similar to Clive Swift talking about his sexually abusive mortician part in "Revelation of the Daleks" and he turned it right back on me and said "see, that's quite right young man, that was a good performance. Now why the fuck do people remember my shit roles like Keeping Up Appearances and Mr Copper."
Best Story:The War Games Worst Story:The Krotons(Least favourite really) Must See:The Dominators/The Mind Robber/The Invasion/The Seeds of Death/The Space Pirates
I know this video is old for a hot take, but I'm dropping one anyway: The War Games' Time Lords are nonsensically weird, and not at all interesting imo. Yeah, they're techno-gods, but by that logic, shouldn't the Doctor _also_ be a techno-god? Imagine how many problems would have been solved if he just used a fraction of his power to think the Daleks, or the Cybermen, or the Great Intelligence out of existence? Or get everyone back to the TARDIS? Or just do whatever Deus Ex Machina the episode requires him to? That's sort of the problem when you make a character part of an alien race, and give said race weird overpowered powers. Once you give them powers, you have to make an excuse as for why the main character never used them before. And before people say that the Doctor failed the academy, this fact wasn't established back in the War Games, I believe that was established in the Fourth Doctor's era. Plus, their supposed omnipotence makes the existence of the TARDIS, or TARDISes in general, kind of useless. Why use this archaic method of travel if you can just pop up somewhere at will? "Oh, but the Time Lords can now be defeated by a Dalek/the Doctor can just trick them and gain power!" Yeah, and the Doctor can ALSO be defeated by a Dalek/get tricked by someone and have them steal his TARDIS. He and the Time Lords are on somewhat equal ground now. Make the Time Lords military geniuses? That's alright then. Make the Time Lords bureaucrats? Well that's alright then. Make them the inventors of Time and Space travel? Oh well that's more than alright then. Make them techno-gods? That's the moment where you have to explain the dandy in the room that is the Doctor, and why he doesn't use said powers, and how he can be defeated so the episode has stakes.
...got to be honest, I think Series Six is the teeniest bit overrated, yes it has the Mind Robber, the Invasion, the Seeds of Doom and the War Games. But, it also has Dominators, Krotons and the Space Pirates. It's a mixed bag of stories for me, but Two, Jaime and Zoe are one of the best TARDIS teams, I'm not denying Series Six is good. Just maybe it's not one of the best seasons ever.
*2015* "If this teaches us anything it's that Chris Chibnal might become good someday" *Meanwhile, in 2018...* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.
I'm quite enjoying s11, The Doctors more like Classic Who (smart person, not that lonely god bollocks), its nakedly political like much of Classic Who and even includes the educational stuff that the Hartnell years did. Not a fan of 13 (she's New Whos Davison) but liking the series. Stunning intro too.
@@DiamandaHagan the funny thing is, I mostly agree with those points, but up until recently I haven't really been able to say I actually *enjoyed* any of the episodes, and chibnal being the episode writer is the common thread there.
He does tend to be weaker than the others, yeah. Maybe they should go back to the Classic Who style of having a head writer and a head producer who work in concert rather than having a 'showrunner'.
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And! The Brigadier also met with the Sixth Doctor. Technically it was an audio drama by Big Finish, but dammit, it should be considered canon regardless. Doubly so because it also has Evelyn as a companion.
there was also Dimensions in Time but we don't talk about that abomination
The War Games is fucking incredible
I say the Invasion would have done better had it been made, and broadcast in its originally intended 6 parts and also the Cybermen should have been better portrayed than they were in the broadcast version where they hardly spoke much.
Yeah, while I like The Mind Robber purely because when a TV show starts feeling like it took a bad trip, my interest sparks purely for where its going...I LOVE The War Games. Its actually got the darkest ending to any story in Doctor Who history - whether you see the Regenerations as Death or not, being forced to change at the hands of all powerful Cyber Gods is a concept that would have anyone terrified. I also love how out of the blue it is. When you start watching it, you don't expect it to be his last story. Thats not the only reason I love it though. I love the whole feel of everything against the main heroes, how often they have to convince people "what we're saying is true" and how much you start questioning it when we reveal the other time zones outside of the World War 1 one. Yeah, overall, its my favourite story in Doctor Who...Troughton does that a lot with me. So yeah, if you haven't seen it, SEE IT!
3:58 I guess Steven Moffat thought it was wrong that Nicholas Courtney never showed up again in New Who so he made one of the Cyberman In series 8 The Brigadeer. Also it should be noted in the comics the 9th Doctor ended up reuniting with The Brigadeer, Benton and Harry
Bernard Horsfall was also in The Mind Robber, he played the Traveler, it’s so nice to see this actor in my two favorite Patrick Troughton stories
Time Lord 1 has been confirmed as Goth in some expanded media. That piece of expanded media also confirms this character to also be Gulliver from The Mind Robber, for some reason.
5:21
I think it's fair to argue that Terrance Dicks was more important than Holmes in the grand scheme of things. I prefer Holmes' writing but in terms of overall impact on the show I feel Dicks has made more of an impact
10th: turkey
2nd: oh my giddy aunt
4th: oh thats bang out of order, you know his villains made out of tin foil.
"Chris Chibnall may be good one day" oh God I hope so.
Nope
troughton is my favorite doctor of all time and this is my favorite season of all time. but i actually loved the krotons story so much so that it was almost my favorite story of all time! (nothing will beat robots of death for me)
08:10 - To be fair, I think the intent behind the Warlords’ motivations was that they were actually studying the captured human armies. As they are, as you said, already powerful, they wouldn’t benefit from the powerful, but non creative species like Rastons, Ogrons and other races like that. No, what the Warlords needed were a species that had committed a great majority of their history to the art of war/warfare and unleashing it upon themselves time after time, i.e., humans. So, with the help of the Warchief who, as established in the episode provided tardises to travel to various points in humanity’s history, the Warlords manage to go back in time and yoink up armies from both fronts of their respective wars from those points in history and place them in a mysterious time displaced realm of which not only do they control, but is split up into multiple areas made to look like the various war zones each pairing of armies originally came from. From there, under strict yet subtle mind control from Warlord’s disguised as key leaders of each army, each specific pair of armies are made to fight one another in the various 11 areas of this realm (also known as zones) as if they were still fighting in whatever wars they came from, completely unaware that they’re being secretly observed by the Warlords who are analysing them to extract the creative battle tactics all the various armies are using to fight each other so that the Warlords can copy and implement them into their own armies of themselves that they will use to conquer the galaxy and establish a vast galactic empire of which they will rule over for eternity!
Or, at least that’s what I believe the Warlords’ plan actually was devised from my own personal viewing of the story. Make of it what you will and be free to comment!
Awww, I like the goofy prospector guy.
About New Who being against killing, didn't Tennent's doctor kill the main villain in a badass manner in his first appearance? I preferred that version of number 10.
+Badre Bally With that and his bringing down of Harriet Jones, Xmas Invasion made him look like he was going to be a total badass. What happened?! lol!
I'm pretty sure after cassandra possessed him in new earth some of her evil thoughts might have remained in his brain, subconsciously making him want to help the bad guys, thinking killing is ok as long as he's not the one doing it
I know right? First time I saw that I was like: "this Doctor is gonna wreck shit" and then they completely forgot about that badass shit and he just moped.
10th throw a sasuma.
Sorry no 2nd chances.
Just asking about the Time Lords basically never having that level of power seen in the War Games anywhere else in Who. Is there a possibility that the lords there were using the powers of Rassilon, then when Omega attacked in The Three Doctors they lost the ability to take his power and use it?
I'm just saying that I want some explanation for why The Time Lords have that kind of power once then never again.
Just watched the Mind Robber, excellent story. I love it when Doctor who dares to be weird for real.
“And if his career is anything to go by, it means that Chris Chibnall might get good one day”
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh ‘bout that
It's amazing how prescient I can be, what with s11 being better than any of RTDs.
Indeed
Frazer Hines said at an event yesterday, that if his agent and another hadn't been saying move on, he and Troughton would have probably stayed for years.
The Mind Robber is one of my favorites too!
The Invasion was intended to be originally made and shown in 6 part and in that story the Cybermen were not as well portrayed as they should have been as main villains they rarely talked which was awful and never thankfully repeated in later Cyberstories in classic Dr Who stories.
The Dominators - Ok
The Mind Robber - Great
The Invasion - Amazing
The Krotons - Bad
The Seeds of Death - Great
The Space Pirates - Shit
The War Games - Magnificent
Ironically, a spaceship powered by love would fit quite well into The Mind Robbers.
The dominators - 6/10
The mind robber - 10/10
The invasion - 10/10
The Krotons - 8/10 ( nice, funny. )
The seeds of death - 9/10
The space pirates - 9/10 ( fun, good, amazing action. )
The war games - 10/10
10/10 - 3
Genuinely hate The Space Pirates. 1 or 2 out of 10 for me.
New Doctors aversion to kill compared to classic ones is understandable if you remember that he fought in the Time War and possibly killed thousands while at it. And someone probably made this argument already and all I managed to achieve was annoy you.
Billions* (or at least he thought so until recently)
Day of the doctor undoing the end of the war makes all this pacifism rubbish pointless
Let's not forget that the whole "the man who never would" was in reference to gunning down an unarmed and helpless opponent.
Am I the only one who likes the rtd era
I do, too. It's the reason I got into Doctor Who.
It has a lot of good episodes in it, some of which (e.g. Turn Left and to a lesser extent Midnight) are largely forgotten, and is judged for some bad eggs, far better than either the Moffat or Chibnall era.
4:35 "Chris Chibnall might become good some day."
Well... his last episode of the series ever wasn't *bad*, so... you were almost right?
My personal episode rating are
The dominators/okay
The mind robber/personal favourite
The invasion/great
The Krotons/okay
The seeds of death/okay
The space pirates/bad
The war games/legend
That Chibnall comment, though. That aged like a fine wine.
TheHylianBatman it really did. Second there I thought he just recorded it
yep
You're going to be really upset then, when you watch the video where Hagan talks about how Series 11 was the best overall season of New Who.
that Chibnall comment about him being good one day, kek
+The Jeff Sentence We can only hope.
Oh the irony
how is it a classic when the solution to two endings are the same?
I tend to consider Time Lord 1 the same person as Goth just because it’s too good a possibility not to in my opinion.
10:40 I did something similar to Clive Swift talking about his sexually abusive mortician part in "Revelation of the Daleks" and he turned it right back on me and said "see, that's quite right young man, that was a good performance. Now why the fuck do people remember my shit roles like Keeping Up Appearances and Mr Copper."
I never noticed 2:18 in "that way" until now. Which is doubly sad...
Does anybody know where I can buy War Games, for a reasonable price, and with a region 1 code? Please help me out here
I found war games on ebay for about 20 aus dollars, so 15 us, multi region!
They aren't called the war lords but there leader is
I'm kinda sad that the war games is out of print in the USA. :(
YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodPeeta But our DVD players aren't able to play it. That's no problem for me as I've got a special player.
Best Story:The War Games
Worst Story:The Krotons(Least favourite really)
Must See:The Dominators/The Mind Robber/The Invasion/The Seeds of Death/The Space Pirates
I'd rather swallow a toad than watch The Space Pirates again
KidSnivy69 What's bad about it?, just out of curiosity.
Roller Coaster Oh, it's not necessarily bad. It just couldn't keep my interest, to me it was meh.
Yeah, it does go on, Episode Two's great though, maybe the story will get interest if it's discovered?
Roller Coaster It plausible
I know this video is old for a hot take, but I'm dropping one anyway:
The War Games' Time Lords are nonsensically weird, and not at all interesting imo. Yeah, they're techno-gods, but by that logic, shouldn't the Doctor _also_ be a techno-god? Imagine how many problems would have been solved if he just used a fraction of his power to think the Daleks, or the Cybermen, or the Great Intelligence out of existence? Or get everyone back to the TARDIS? Or just do whatever Deus Ex Machina the episode requires him to? That's sort of the problem when you make a character part of an alien race, and give said race weird overpowered powers. Once you give them powers, you have to make an excuse as for why the main character never used them before. And before people say that the Doctor failed the academy, this fact wasn't established back in the War Games, I believe that was established in the Fourth Doctor's era. Plus, their supposed omnipotence makes the existence of the TARDIS, or TARDISes in general, kind of useless. Why use this archaic method of travel if you can just pop up somewhere at will?
"Oh, but the Time Lords can now be defeated by a Dalek/the Doctor can just trick them and gain power!"
Yeah, and the Doctor can ALSO be defeated by a Dalek/get tricked by someone and have them steal his TARDIS. He and the Time Lords are on somewhat equal ground now. Make the Time Lords military geniuses? That's alright then. Make the Time Lords bureaucrats? Well that's alright then. Make them the inventors of Time and Space travel? Oh well that's more than alright then. Make them techno-gods? That's the moment where you have to explain the dandy in the room that is the Doctor, and why he doesn't use said powers, and how he can be defeated so the episode has stakes.
I really wish that people would stop putting down The Space Pirates.
Id be happy to as soon as it stops being crap:P
DiamandaHagan How can it?
Well we're not going to carry it around everywhere, are we?
And they don't remove them from history but dematerialise them
...got to be honest, I think Series Six is the teeniest bit overrated, yes it has the Mind Robber, the Invasion, the Seeds of Doom and the War Games. But, it also has Dominators, Krotons and the Space Pirates. It's a mixed bag of stories for me, but Two, Jaime and Zoe are one of the best TARDIS teams, I'm not denying Series Six is good. Just maybe it's not one of the best seasons ever.
*2015*
"If this teaches us anything it's that Chris Chibnal might become good someday"
*Meanwhile, in 2018...*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no.
I'm quite enjoying s11, The Doctors more like Classic Who (smart person, not that lonely god bollocks), its nakedly political like much of Classic Who and even includes the educational stuff that the Hartnell years did. Not a fan of 13 (she's New Whos Davison) but liking the series. Stunning intro too.
@@DiamandaHagan the funny thing is, I mostly agree with those points, but up until recently I haven't really been able to say I actually *enjoyed* any of the episodes, and chibnal being the episode writer is the common thread there.
He does tend to be weaker than the others, yeah. Maybe they should go back to the Classic Who style of having a head writer and a head producer who work in concert rather than having a 'showrunner'.
Season 6 wasn't very good really...
Steven Cassidy what?
War games.
Mind robber.
Invasion.
Seeds of death.
Even dominators, Krotons, space pirates are not bad.
The only ones I rate are the War Games and the Invasion. You can junk the rest @@jamescarr3983
The Mind Robber is a pile of poo. How can you say Dominators was worse. How to get out of 2 cliff hangers in TMR? "it doesn't exist". very weak!
+Martin robo Oooooh those be fighting words! The Mid Robber is a masterpiece!
+Laddergen correct. but mind robber is frankly weak.
+Martin robo I don't think so. The Mind Robbers is brilliant. The entire idea of the Land of Fiction makes that story godly.