Hi Nick, I came from a 1200 GSA to a 1250 GS Exclusive and with no regrets. I changed the standard GS screen to a Puig Touring screen, and actually found the wind noise and protection better than the GSA!! Yes it has a better tank range, but I can get over 200 miles out of my GS, a full tank on a GSA can be an issue when trying to move the GSA around a car park or on an adverse camber. I find the balance of the GS better suited to me, I also think it is a better looking bike ( personal opinion). Whatever you decide to do, good luck and safe riding>
@@nickhodgeUK Yes Nick the GS is a great machine, but I think it will be my last. I am now 65 and in a couple of years might down size my bike. Top of my wish list at the moment is the Moto Guzzi V85TT.
I like you brought my r1250gs at the same time, but I haven’t put the amount of miles on as you, mine is just over 3,000. What with the current situation I haven’t put as many miles on it as I would have liked. If I did decided to change I will wait until the 3 year warranty will run out in 2022. I am just in the process of sorting out a slightly bigger screen. I went down the same route regarding panniers and top box, I changed my Givi Trekker ones that I had fitted to the Honda NC750X, just brought a new rack and top box plate when Sportsbikeshop had 10% off. The new pannier rack is also detachable so makes for much easier cleaning or just leave them off if required. I think if I changed I would stick with the GS as I don’t want the extra weight of the GSA, I find that I need a break after 220 miles so don’t need the extra mileage anyway. Also I don’t like cleaning wire wheels had enough that with some of the older bikes I have had. Best of luck deciding !!
The Puig Touring windshield is the best of them all. I had the dark smoke on my 1200GS Rallye and now on the black my 1250GS Exclusive. I’m 6’4” and keep the windshield in the lowest setting (even at highway speeds). Everyone has their favorite GS. Both bikes are great and each have their own pros/cons. Get it to fit your needs/wants. After owing my 1200GS, I thought I would get the 1250GSA, but the GS fits what I want out of the bike.
I've been down this rabbit run myself. :-) Currently on my 5th GS. Had the first hexhead for 11 years, then (3 years ago) switched to 1200 GSA, followed by 1200 GS, followed by 1250 GS (Exclusive). A couple of weeks ago, I sold the 1 year old GS1250 back to the supplying dealer (losing £4k on the purchase price) and bought a 2008 GS1200! Basically, having done the whole latest tech / shift-cam, etc, etc over the last 3 years (and fully indulged in the 'new bike day' experience (with all the costs that go with that, e.g. running in servicing, etc), I genuinely missed the 'old school' e.g. 'proper' speedo and rev counter etc and no longer want to be looking at an ipad style TFT screen etc. Buying a new bike generates a fresh 3 year warranty (great, when you consider the cost of repairing all that technology if/when any of it fails!), fresh tyres / brakes, etc, etc, as you acknowledged in the video, but having been down this road big time over the last 3 years (and spent thousands of pounds unnecessarily!), my honest opinion is it's not worth it. But, if the deal is compelling / winning, you only live once! Go for it! Regarding GS versus GSA. You can put the GSA screen on the GS and change the wind deflection dramatically, but in very hot weather, touring around e.g. Portugal / Spain etc in the summer, you will MISS the airflow to the body and especially on the legs! Those huge GSA petrol tanks prevent any wind whatsoever to the crotch / butt. It gets hotter than hell on those things! Also, the additional weight changes the bike's ability to change direction quickly when e.g. trying to avoid a massive pot hole. The GSA just doesn't 'flick' like the GS. You are right however in that it handles the same as the GS on long swooping bends. In some ways the additional weight makes it more planted in fact. The GSA seat height is taller and the seat it's self is slightly wider at the front. For riders below 6 foot, this can make the seat slightly uncomfortable as it is a bit of a stretch to sit astride it compared to the GS (particularly when putting your feet down at stops etc). I think the GSA works best for 6 ft+ riders with the GS better for shorter riders. By the way, on screens, I tried (and preferred) the ultra short 'rallye' screen on both the GS and the GSA. Less is more with screens. Clean air flow (no buffeting) and they look cool (especially the tinted one). Again, better for sub 6 ft riders. Good luck!
The Adventure: Better tank size, (A MAJOR advantage) Better wind protection. Better road presence. Crash bars and some other stuff already fitted. Luggage racks. Standard GS: Lighter. (Very little when fuel, crash bars and some other things are removed from weight difference) Lookes better. (A matter of taste)
Hi Nick, many thanks for the video. As somebody who had a GS and is now on his second GSA, I would like to pass on my thoughts. Like you, I am tall at 6'2" and find that the GSA is better suited to my build; the seat height is also higher than the GS though I have mine on the lower setting. There is no doubt that the GSA has more presence on the road; the bigger tank and fairing, screen, the (excellent) spot lights etc. all combine to give more confidence on the road. The bike feels that you could ride it through a barn door and not feel it! I have the MRA Vario screen, which I originally fitted to my GS and then transferred to my other two bikes; it's an excellent piece of equipment, but all personal of course. I bought the black Bumot cases as they are cheaper than the BMW ones, but still fit the OEM frames. I didn't purchase the Bumot topbox though as it only comes in one size that will not take two helmets; instead I bought the Givi Trekker 58L that does take two helmets, in black so it conforms to the side cases. I also bought the Bumot tool case in the same colour. I have the HP model, but didn't want the gold wheels as (again personal) I don't like the colour; I therefore had the black wheels fitted and this was a no cost option (you might want to check that before forking out an additional £60). When swapping over accessories form the GS to the GSA, there are a couple of things to consider due the differing geometries of the two bikes. You need (if you use one) the appropriate side stand plate as the side stand on the GSA is longer and the wrong one can scratch the frame; the Mudsling will rub against the rear tyre until it has worn down a bit, so I therefore fitted a rear hugger instead that was also a lot cheaper (£30 on eBay). In summary, the GSA suits me better than the GS; I just love this motorcycle. You don't notice the extra weight from the bigger tank when riding ,and on occasion have had nearly 400 miles out of one tank of fuel. I hope this has been useful; whichever way you decide to go, they're both excellent bikes that do so many things, so well. Cheers, Andy
Thanks for the detailed answer Andy. What tyres do you have as I think that may be the mudslingers issue as they list some that rub. I have no side stand plate but must get one. I’m pretty sure it’s just my Denali D4’s that need another bracket as the GS one doesn’t fit. I’ll take a look at the side cases and toolbox for sure as there is attraction to using existing frames. Thanks again. Ride safe 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK Hi Nick, the first time I experienced rubbing from the Mudsling was when I fitted Mezeler Tourance Nexts and then when I put Bridgestone A41 Adventures on; the hugger I have on now is (in my opinion) I better option. The Bumot cases are very good indeed; they hinge lengthwise rather than widthwise like the BMW and Givi cases. The design of the hinge allows the lid the stay rigid in various positions - check out this video th-cam.com/video/alYt_rhA7UQ/w-d-xo.html Cheers, Andy
Hi Nick, I have my GSA HP for a month now. It is already 2700 km on. With last tank i made 573 km before fill in. It is 40 mm higher than the GS, so I can't flat foot, but not so bad. For the top case I have installed the GIVI Trekker Outback 58 L, pretty good, for the daily use is great and the bike does not look bad with that big box on the back. For side panniers I have the SW-Motech Trax Adventure. Very good quality and you don't need to trow away the BMW frame, since you only need to buy the adapter plates to install the side panniers. Each day I enjoy more to ride this motorcycle. I can't advise you on what to do, because it is a personal choice you must do. what ever you feel you will love the most and suits you better. Never mind what others say. Safe Rides. All the best.
Get what you want brother, it's what life is all about. Why work your whole life if you can't enjoy the benefits? I too will be getting the GSA variant when its time(sooner rather than later would be good)! To me personally, the 1250gsa is the ulitimate tourer as I live in Australia and we have a lot of country to explore. Extra fuel range is a bonus especialy if you head out to the back of beyond and you don't want to carry too much in the way of extra fuel. Comfort, reliability and a decent seat height mean a lot to me these days. Stay safe brother.
I bought a 2018 GSA coming over from a Harley. Have not looked back at all!! Love it and as you say - major road presence which here in the US, you need it!!!
I think the geometry of the GSA is a benefit as it relates to Rake and Trail. I like my wheels touching the ground. Of course the Fuel capacity is a winner hands down. You can't go wrong.
Hi Nick, I’m surprised you don’t feel a difference in the handling. They’re two different bikes with different geometries. The GSA is 20mm higher and a 21mm shorter wheelbase. Hence their steering wheel angle is also different. You’re right, the wind protection is far better and quite bad with the standard GS shield. I ride all year. I just sold my 1 year old GS with 14.000km for the GSA exclusive. I find the suspension more comfy too and I would say it’s like comparing a Range Rover Sport to a Range Rover Vogue 😉 Greetings from Luxembourg
Thanks Jean. I truly did 10 miles and it felt like my bike even with a full fuel load. Now the traffic was bad (Friday) so there may be some difference in every small area but it wasn’t noticeable to me. At least not as I had thought. The seat I did notice after I set it Hugh, front, low back same as my GS as I was sooooo slightly off flat feet. Ride safe 👍🏻
From over 30 years of sports bikes, I went directly to a GSA and am now on my 3rd. I picked up the 1250 less than 2 weeks ago and am loving the GSA way. I initially considered the GS but decided that I wanted the bigger fuel tank as well as the extra items; engine bars, lights, spoked wheels, and bigger presence. Items I’d want to add to a GS, so made sense to get the GSA. Re fuel stops, you hit the nail on the head. I don’t mind stopping when other members of the group need to stop to fuel, but it’s nice not have to faff around filling up - gives a chance to just chill for a few minutes. It’s also quite usual for others of the group to comment, along the lines of liking the idea themselves. I also visit family up north and I don’t like stopping, so it’s good to get there in one hit. By the way, the GSA rides a tad higher than the GS, so seat height is slightly higher, apart from that they are exactly the same. The GSA is not much heavier than the GS - add engine bars, spots, and a bigger screen to a GS and you’re not far off the GSA.
The height is interesting. I have standard height frame, suspension, etc (as the test bike). I have my seat high-front, low-back as it slides me away from the tank and into the front of the pillion seat, a bit like a lumbar support. I can plant both feet flat. On the test bike I mirrored that and I was marginally off flat feet both sides so it must be in the seat I guess??? It’s about an inch I reckon? Thanks for comment
Yes, go for it. I have owned 2 GS and 2 GSA’s. Currently a 1250 GSA. The reasons are: 1. Range I get 570 km and it is essential if you are ever going to a country where gas is not as easy to get, like Argentina, or for me, going through Northern BC to the Yukon. Also so convenient not to gas up as often as my friends on sport bikes, 2, Wind protection -as you noted, a big difference. I fitted a Wunderlich screen which is even bigger than stock, but I think I am taller than you. 3. Road presence. A nice difference. 4. Resale value. You should get much of the extra cost back when you sell it.. Yes, go for it.
You’re a very smooth rider, Nick. The suspension is better adjusted on your GS than on the Adventure. Suggestions: (1)test ride in heavy rain, (2) fit the extra windshield on your GS (I suspect it may well be better than the Adventure). Excellent report😉
Hi Nick I have a 1250GSA HP TE and considered changing to a standard GS TE. I took the GS out for the day from my supplying dealer and really enjoyed it. It felt lighter, nimbler and I could flat foot far easier. However. like you I prefer the extra wind protection and the road presence of the GSA. For me the deciding factor in sticking with the GSA is the extra suspension movement which you didn't mention. I spend a lot of the summer months riding in the Alps etc but when not on tour the Yorkshire Dales are my main hunting ground. Some of the roads I spend a lot of time on are awful and the GSA comes into it's own here as it just glides over all the ruts and potholes. GSA for me Mike
Hi Mike. Thanks for the comment. I thought both really handle certainly road potholes and such beautifully. What I do find with the GSA is that I use the suspension adjustment more than I did on the GSs’ I’ve had which stayed on auto from day 1-end 👍🏻
It's a definite "no" from me, Nick. I have the MRA vario screen on my R1250GS and (for me) it definitely improves the wind protection by pushing the main force above my helmet. Yes, there is some noise from the sides of the screen but certainly for my use, it's fine. I have met a bunch of guys with GSA's and many of them say they are considering a switch to the GS.... Everyone wants what they ain't got!
Swap it! 😂 Easy to say when it ain’t my money! I test drove both. The GS was lighter due to the gas tank. But I had no problems with the GSA. I bought the GSA because I had wanted one for so long, I thought I’d be disappointed if I got anything else. It did not disappoint! When riding around town, I rarely fill it up. Maybe 5 gallons. But when I travel, it makes a difference! Good luck!
If you want GSA, go get one. Some reasons are understandable, but to spent less time at filling stations seems to be no reason at all. Especially if you are on the road with a group with some sport bikes with then 1/3 of your fuel range since you would have to wait for them anyway... unless you'd be orbiting the fuel station, while your fellas are filling up.... :-) I will defo stick with my 1250 Exclusive no A... :-) Stay safe and enjoy riding!
I bought a 1200 GSA Triple Black 2 years ago and love it. Coming from a Yamaha MT10 it was quite a change! Id always liked the GSA having sat on them at bike shows etc but decided to have a test ride on a quiet weekend and it exceeded all my expectations. Found a good deal including black BMW panniers and Nav 6 thrown in and had every option so I snapped it up. When I took mine in for its first service I test road a 1250 GS, thought it was smoother and quicker as a 1250, but really disliked the GS size. I'm not particularly tall at 5.9, but it felt like a toy and just didn't have the 'king of the road' feeling that the GSA gives, both from a feeling of tackling any weather and road but also from being seen. For when I use it to commute, the tank range is great as its 130 mile round trip. Other bikes I had to fill up daily, this I don't which really changes the experience - its not always about tank range in one go for me, but nice to do multiple days riding and not have to worry about finding fuel. The protection and support the bigger tank gives i think makes a difference too. I wont be changing from the GSA, just maybe to a 1250 in the future!
Many people have commented about the fuel being readily available and they’re right of course but for me it’s one opportunity to do ‘optional’ while others are doing ‘necessary’. Change GoPro batteries, check route, have a drink/eat and not be accused of ‘faffing’. Leave that to those having to stop in every town! 😂👍🏻
Funny! I’m thinking about changing my adv for the GS as I dont feel the extra tank capacity is justified. Reach out to me nick if you need anything denali. I’ll look after you for a shout out! Officially now the biggest Denali retailer in UK and about to move to new business premises with fitting centre etc.
A BIKE THING thanks for that. If I swap I will surely need a light bracket and was looking to upgrade the CanSmart to Gen 2 too. Not sure about more lights but may fit strips on Panniers
Nick Hodge yes so let me sort out the gen2 and the mount for you. You’ll need to route a second harness through for the D4s. You want B6s to be fitted to the givi pannier boxes? Would mean drilling but flush mount gaskets come with them.
Nick Hodge I was leaning towards the GS at one stage with the lower height, nice seat etc but the extra weather protection and the extra range do come in handy here in Australia. A friend of mine got his GSA before me and yes, his last ride in the rain really only saw the toes of his boots getting wet. I guess I’ll find out myself shortly, mines on the way, just gotta wait for it to PD’d and apparently that’s going to take a few days. I can’t wait.
Hi Nick, a really good comparison there and very unbiased. I have a 1250gs TE Rallye which I got in March before lockdown. I nearly went for a dealer approved used Adventure with 3000 on the clock but saved 4k getting mine as an ex-demo with 800miles on it. she'll be one in September, looking back I'm happy with that decision. I'm 6' and have to navigate a cobbled lane with a very big camber and raised manhole cover right outside my garage, I can only just touch the ground with the seat in low going over that. 75% of my riding is with the boss on the back and having firmly planted feet at times is a huge advantage when off-camber at a stop, potholes in car parks etc. The GSA may be a bit too tall, just occasionally. Re the fuel, I agree on a 250kg bike you won't notice the extra but your only going to get through a 20 ltr tank in less than 2 hours on an autobahn! I fitted a MRA Vario screen which stopped all my head buffeting and more importantly for Nicky on the back as well. Touratach lower and upper bars with Denali D2's and S4's give as much road presence as a GSA in my opinion. The Rallye also comes with the bigger footrests, I may get the deflectors shown in one of the other posts though. I thoroughly recommend the Bumot Defender Evo panniers, best made one I have seen and the Frozen Grey colour matches BMW's cylinders. Ridercamtv guys have a good review here th-cam.com/video/BwjEbv9nrog/w-d-xo.html. At the end of the day I think it's a head verses hart decision, I wish you luck with that one, I would probably spend it on a trip to Norway :-)
Thanks a lot for the detail. I took a look at the Bumot panniers, not sure they’re not a bit too agricultural but noticed the colourways. Like they fit the standard racks too 👍🏻
GSA all the way (340 miles)! I have varios on mine, they suit me OK. If I need more luggage space I attach a BMW Soft Bag 3 to the top box rack or on the pillion seat. The increased tank range is very useful when touring proper for example I don't need to buy expensive Dutch petrol!. All the best from Knutsford, Nick
I tried both models before buying and bought an adventure for the reasons you are thinking about swapping the bikes for now, never regretted getting the adventure.
Everything you have spoken about is what I experience on my Gsa the road presents is absolutely superb. If I ride through traffic everyone moves out of the way and honestly people see you coming for miles. I feel safer on this bike than all of the bikes I have owned. I know people like to throw hate on the size but thats what I love the most about it. Nice vid Nick
Left waiting, sweltering in frustrating queues , while friends who chose the alternative R1250GS HP (with varios or soft luggage ) gently filters, makes progress to the destination.
@@maxflight777 I was riding through miles of traffic yesterday. The brilliant thing is everyone moves out of your way when you ride a GSA through traffic. Its actually quite enjoyable to do it
I come from the 2011 1200GSA air cooled. I bought the 1250GSA. I like the bigher tank, the wire wheels and all the "scafolding" bars. I also like the heavy weight. I am tall and i let the weight work for me
I got my 2020 GSA HP in February after watching your videos. It’s the best bike I’ve ever had. The gas tank, crash bars and wind deflection features are the obvious advantages over the GS model. But, considering the upgrades you did on your bike, if it was me I wouldn’t swap for the GSA. I think only if the higher tank capacity is what you really want then consider the upgrade.
Hi Nick. I picked up a GSA Exclusive TE in Kalamata with Gold Wheels a few weeks ago. The bike collection was delayed due to COVID but BMW think it was the first one made in that colour and with the Gold wheels. Maybe you will be the second!
I am expecting my new 2021 GS Adventure to be delivered to the dealer in the next 2 weeks and I am looking forward to picking it up. I had the GS and the added peace of mind the extra fuel gives me will be very nice. I have had range anxiety with the GS after being in a near empty situation. In the states we do have roads that can span a large distance without fuel stations. I’ve also had the same problem in Baja. I did get the low suspension option fitted from the factory that brings the seat height in line with the GS.
Hi Doug. You will notice the difference, not just in range but in weather protection too. On the downside she’s not so nimble as the GS particularly with the tank full. If you struggle with seat height you’ve made a wide choice with the lowered suspension. I’ve a long leg but at 6ft1in the GSA can test it particularly if anything slopes away at a stop. Ride safe 👍🏻
I just took a test ride on a GSA and it definitely feels a lot smaller on the road compared to when you are sitting on the bike in the showroom. IMO, it's not as nice looking as the GS and I don't need the fuel capacity but the wind and rain protection is undeniable. I'm having a tough time making the decision between the two myself. I think your upgrade cost is very reasonable though with all things considered.
@@nickhodgeUK Yes sir. I purchased their Ergo Screen Marathon 2 and have really enjoyed the extra protection it affords. I also like wearing a high visibility Rev It Tornado 2 jacket for increased road presence as well.
Clearly down to personal choice and satisfying that niggling itch if its too great. If your std GS doesn't bug you every ride then stick with it. Mine is all I need in a bike (GS 1250 Exclusive) and I struggled with the std/adv conundrum before I bought it. Spoked wheels, upper and lower crash bars from Touratech and that much favoured MRA screen made the bike look and feel great for me. I guess once I added the BMW aux lights and a full set of yes, Touratech luggage 🙄, I'd have spent the same as buying the Adventure version, in reality more. However, 'farkled up' I like the look of mine much more than the GS ADV Exclusive so as I say down to personal taste. A point on luggage systems if you go for it. Be careful with the width of the topbox in your set up. I've seen some set ups where folks can't tilt the pannier lids up properly due to the topcase getting in the way. As ever a cracking vid with clear audio and thoughtful presentation👍
Thanks Pete. Oh the itch 😂. Yes I saw that with the cases although the kids of the panniers do disconnect both ends to lift off completely if that’s an issue. Most of the time with mine I only ride with the top box on. Who wants to ride with empty panniers? For me however that’s a down on the GSA. It leaves the ugly scaffolding in place. Dilemmas, dilemmas. Ride safe 👍🏻
Hi Nick! If you had a 1200GS, I would say straight away "Yes, do it" but having a 1250, don't think it's the right thing, at least for now. The best scenario would be to give it a year more, enjoy your GS and then check again if your desire to trade is still applicable. I have an Africa Twin (just 1 year old) and I am scratching myself to buy also a 1250GSA Exclusive but in my case the difference is quite big, it's a step up in several ways. Even thought, I find it difficult to justify the GSA as my bike is like new and I mainly do offroad where the AT is really really good, so switching to a bigger beast is not probably the best. But, when doing on road trips, the wind protection and huge fuel tank make it all worth. I ride a lot with a mate with a 1200GSA and I started to love that thing since we switched bikes in 1 trip. Nevertheless, I will only trade it next year, as I still need to enjoy a bit more my AT. As for the GSA, not going for the gold wheels, have it on my AT, what a pain to keep them clean and shiny (also, due to the chain... something that is not part of a GS ehehe). Basically, justifying your trade is difficult as you are probably aware, it really comes down to the desire to get a new bike and if money is not an issue, go for it. Life is short! Stay safe.
António Ramos Hi Antonio. I too thought Nick’s video was informative and interesting. I was also intrigued by your post which mirrors my situation to a tee. I have an’18 model AT Adv Sport which I am considering swapping over to the new 1250 GS Adv......ah but for the price difference. Love the Honda ( DCT) but shaft drive and BMW road cred make such a strong case. Would love to know which way you decide to go. Manfred Pohlenz
@@Pohlenzm Hi Manfred, thanks for the reply! I am more than happy to share my opinion, I apologize in advance for the long comment. My standard AT is a manual but I do get your point... DCT is really good, it's getting better and better and that is a really good selling point for Honda. BMW's quickshifter is pretty good, works up and down and it's smooth but yes... It's not like an auto gearbox. Have you compared the price of a GSA and the new AT Adventure Sports? Not sure where you are from but in some countries the price difference is around 1000€ and BMW has some good financial deals. That difference is not much and honestly, Honda priced the bike quite highly (but that's another topic, it's easy to understand why they did that, they wanted to clearly state which competition where they aiming at. It's a question if the bike is worth that or not). But... Focusing on the 1250GSA, I would go for it for 2 reasons: boxer engine (iconic & more powerful - not that you would need more power than an AT, let's be honest) and weight distribution, the GSA is so good on the twisties and also off road as the weight is concentrated bellow, with a low center of gravity. One thing that I hate in the AT is the fact it's too top heavy. The weight is focused on the top of the bike, lifting that bike from the ground is a real workout. If the money is not a really huge streach, go for it. And... I also get your point on the GS riding community. Is strong for sure.
António Ramos Hi mate. Lovely to read your reply...and so soon. I am in Australia where the new AT in full spec is about $26.500. The GSAdv is around $31.000 so still a difference. Also, the depreciation on my Honda means any change over will be about $11,000. The AT is a beautiful bike and in DCT form like mine, SO easy to ride off road. ( though admittedly a bit boring on road. Not for lack of power, rather lack of things to do!) Biggest issue as you say, is it’s top heavy ness.
@@Pohlenzm No worries, love to chat about bikes! The price difference between the GSA and the AT Adventure Sports is quite substancial then... so if I got it right, in order to make the trade you will need to spend around 11.000$? That's something... (actually, I think it would be around the same in my scenario, 10.000€!). I think that a couple of simple questions could get you the answer you are looking for: Assuming that you really want to change your bike, if you bought a new AT Adventure Sports, will you be still thinking about a GSA? Desiring one? Asking yourself if you made the right purchase? Or will you be 100% happy? In my case, I know I will continue to find the bike not so great on road and continue to desire a GS, so I rather save more money to go for it. Nevertheless, there is the need to be financially responsible so I would only advice a purchase if you are able to financially reach out to a 1250GSA. If yes, go for it! Or you can try to check a fairly new 2018/2019 1200GSA that already have the TFT screen and all the good stuff. I have also checked that and it can be a good option sometimes but the BMW financial deals on new bikes are pretty good so for around 2000$ more I would rather have a new bike. Don't know how it is in Australia. Cheers!
Nick, thanks for the nice review! Just before the lockdown in Belgium I switched from the F700 GS into the R1200 GSA LC from 2015. I hand no doubt what so ever... I had to have an adventure because of all the features that you have indicated in you video. The 2 main reasons to go for the adventure were for me the significant larger fuel range as well as the better standard equipment. As everybody knows in Europe we don t have a problem finding petrol stations around every corner of the street, but I am a guy that wants to fuel the bike wants it and not when the bike needs it (you see what I mean). As you have indicated, the extra weight is not at all an issue. What is also great on the GSA are bigger very solid foodpegs. I would say, if you have the resources, just go for it, no doubt a out it!! Ride safe and please keep posting your interesting videos!!
Thanks for great input Kim. The pegs are interesting and I forgot that. Often on long trips I have to stand to ‘let air under’ me! Doing that in the little rubber covered GS ones does mean very careful placing before standing. The GSA larger ones may help that??
Nick, I don’t have experience with the small foodpegs from the GS, but only experience with the bigger foodpegs from the GSA. I absolutely love the bigger foodpegs becdause the are so solid and you have an extremly good grip on them. Because of the fact that till now, never go off road, I put after market rubbers on it from Wünderlich. Affordable price and very easy to install. In this way you have a very big surface where you can put your feet on. I am curious about your decision!!
Nick - new subscriber here again! 'Ive got the very bike you're looking at buying. Mine is a 2019 GSA Excl TE with full BMW luggage. It's a cracking bike. I tried both and the GSA is far better as a touring bike. Taking it steady with luggage I've seen 380 miles out of it on a tankful. It allows for a full day's touring without worrying about fuel. The Bumot Luggage is better than the BMW stuff but I bought BMW as i got a 0% deal on it which suited me.Weather protection is loads better too.Just buy one!!!
@@nickhodgeUK I have had Givi panniers and currently have the tanklok tank bag on the GSA for wallet/phone/docs etc. Spot on gear in my experience. Sure we'll be watching you take delivery of a GSA soon!
Personally it’s a no-brainer, I think the GSA is far more practical with the larger fairing and screen suiting me perfectly; the added benefits of a bigger range etc are an added bonus. Ultimately I think the GS is a brilliant bike, but the GSA is definitely the better version. Is it worth the cost of upgrading? - I think so - the added benefits will be worth it.
If money is an issue spend a grand on service, tyres and brake pads. Save 4K.. if not go for it! My 1250 Gs HP is staying after test riding the 1250 GSA. I prefer the lighter feel and look. (Only because of the paint job, mind)
You're in a win/win situation either way. I switched from a Ducati Multistrada to a 1250 GSA and I went the GSA route because my friends ride them and the internet says you should. Unfortunately, I lost that bike in an accident and while I had no complaints with the GSA, I was reluctant to replace my GSA with another GSA. My reasons: - I've never been on a significant ride with only GSA riders so fuel stops are more frequent than even required on a GS. - I don't like riding with side cases on the bike unless I'm on a trip and, to me, the GSA looks like an overweight middle-aged man trying to fit into skinny jeans without the side cases on. :) - The width of the tank precluded me from seeing where I was going to put my feet when coming to a stop - The bike handled less sharply than my Multi (no real surprise there). But I felt the smaller GS would likely feel slightly more sharp and I do like how much lighter it feels. How light a bike feels is may be personal but I spend quite a bit of time in the mountains and while I had no issue handling either, I prefer the way the GS feels. So, upon re-purchase, I bought the GS HP with the taller suspension. I also added the lower OEM crash bar and mounted Erica and Darla Clearwater lights so I have plenty of road presence. :D Decide with confidence, either is great! My decision in the next year is a bit more difficult for me. I'm either going back to a Multistrada or adding a Streetfighter V4S as a stable mate to the GS.
Just completing a tour (live on Isle Of Wight) of peak district, lake district, Yorkshire moors, north and south Wales. And finally south coast on my 2019 GSA HP rallye. My mate on his tiger had to stop twice as much as me for fuel which adds time. Loaded up with camping gear didn't faze it one bit. Yes heavy when fully fueled and loaded. But coped without any drama. Even in the rain it didn't miss a beat. And they look the nuts.
@@nickhodgeUK my only grumble would be the seat comfort. But we were riding on average 250-300 miles a day. My arse started to suffer after about the 200 mile mark. Will need to look into ways to add comfort without adding weight. Other than that can't complain. I have to say, there is some truly fantastic riding in this country. Going to do Scotland around late April next year now.
Nick Kennedy did Scotland last August. It was fantastic. May put together some footage but definitely have Garmin routes if you wanted. Based in Inverness and rode each day out of there. 90 mile shortest, 300 mile longest. Covered whole of Highlands in a 5 day stint (plus one stop on way up and two on way back so 8 days in all)
I ride my R1200GSA HP in Canada with the lower spots a little up in your face, and the high beam always on between sunrise and sunset. Incidence of failure-to-notice events, you know, the pull out in front of you, or turn across your path, have dropped to effectively zero. And I have never had anyone flash their annoyance at my high beam. There's your street presence in action. No flashing Denali's apparently needed up front. But could use some more brilliance at the rear, for sure. Nick: Buy the GSA. What's 5 grand over the next five years?
Hi Nick, It was never a question for me to go for the GSA and until today I didn‘t regret it at all = more wind protection, more distance, more weight on the front especially in the alps when you are fully packed and has to manage steep climbings. I am really interested how you will decide at the end! Cheers mate, stay safe
I changed my 2016 GS for a 2018 GSA (both 1200). Two years in now with the GSA and two Alps tours and don't regret it in the slightest. It is a more comfortable ride and incredible 400 mile tank range when touring. Another year and I will be looking at the 1250GSA.
But especially with pillion and luggage the GS became too light for me on the forehand, and the little extra weight of the GSA compensates for this perfectly, but this is not noticeable at all in solo operation
All that you said, and you said a lot. All without taking a breath too. 😂. The GSA is outstanding. It’s got absolutely knockout looks. It’s really not all that much larger and does give you a better sense of presence. Life’s short, now just do it! Then go out square away with A Bike Thing and get a pair of D7’s and a lovely Sound Bomb horn. You will look and sound most impressive. Ride safe and ride often. Peace.
Nick Hodge 👍🏻🥇Nick Hodge Ok Nick it is. However so focused on the first sentence you failed to appreciate the input of wonderful GSA, much more important. Happy riding.
Hi Nick, I had to think long and hard before I chose a new GS in March over the Adventure. I’m a tall guy at 6ft 3” and coming from a RT I too did find the wind an issue but decided on the GS and just fitted a wunderlich screen which is brill. The only other main difference is the bigger fuel tank but I thought I have to stop for my riding buddies so didn’t really need a bigger tank. I also think the GS with it’s lighter weight is a little more flickable and easier to move around the garage etc.
Nick Hodge well they do say a change is as good as a rest and I think you’ve decided, and when I’ve had mine a couple of years or 3 I might follow you. Can’t wait for the vid. Great content by the way 🏍🏍
I wouldn’t go to a GS from my GSA TE. True you don’t need the extra fuel but it’s nice to know when touring I’m not going to be the one that runs out of fuel and can even assist other riders that might have run out. Either way, they are great bikes.
You will need to factor in the reduced trade in value of your bike if you leave it another year and also the possibility of the new bike increasing in cost. I'm looking at trading in my 2017 1200 GSA against a 1250 GSA exclusive and I will have to find considerably more than you've mentioned in the video. Go for it, the larger fuel tank was the one thing that swayed me towards the bike.
Cheers Sam. Bear in mind BMW are offering £1,000 (technically) extra on the trade-in. Dealer gives £500, they give £500 up to end of September on all ‘R’ models. I say technically as you don’t really know trade in anyhow but I’m fairly happy with the deal 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK Apologies if I missed it and you mentioned it in your video, and the dealer has more than likely told you, but are you aware of the extra £1000 BMW are doing towards trade ins on new GS Adventures at the moment?
@@nickhodgeUK Ah great stuff, I thought you would be aware, but didn't want you to miss out just in case! That offer is why I have just changed as well, having thought I was going go have to wait at least another year. I changed from Vstrom 1000 though, so didn't have the difficult decision you have to make! Also a thank you to you, having watched your videos, I have ordered myself the plug and play USB port, din socket relocation kit and MachineArt avant and mudsling over the weekend from Nippy Normans. Looking forward to getting those 👍🏻
I'm 6 foot with size 12 feet. Adventure is the only solution. But here's the thing. if you have an accident, and I have, an empty 30L tank is so much more protection than a 20L. Its the difference between walking away and being wheeled away in a different vehicle. True Story.
You mention weather Between the larger screen, deflectors and the fact that my legs are BEHIND the tank and not flapping out in the wind as on the GS (your video), my R1250GSA will keep me almost completely dry in a very heavy Canadian downpour, as long as I keep going. Slow and stop and you're like anyone else - soaked in a minute. (So stop under something!!) Cheers.
Thanks Nick, great videos. I am 1.90 tall and found the riding position better on the GS as the bigger tank on the GSA pushed my legs further apart. Prefer the GS personally.
Both great bikes with pros and cons on both that sort of levels them back out again. That’s the conclusion after testing the new GS last week (see that video too). Ride safe 👍🏻
I have the Bmw panniers which are superb but I will say you can feel the drag factor from riding without. They will definitely raise the fuel consumption
Thanks Andrew. The differences are small but fairly important to me. Road presence is probably the biggest. Fellow riders already call me the ‘Christmas tree’ but then always want me head of the filtering line when traffic queues with my alternating lights/turn signals 😂 certainly the swap won’t get less money
That's the same bike as I fancy, but with the black wheels and the aluminium sanded weave tank. I have the added incentive that my 2018 GS Exclusive is the last of the 1200's. I suffer from tinnitus from years of riding bikes with no ear plugs, so wind noise is a major factor in bike choice for me. Do I dare book a test ride? Could be expensive! 😬
Great video nick! I myself have a 1250 adventure Rallye te, by far the best bmw I’ve owned to date! At 6‘1“ I experience next to no buffeting with the screen in the highest position. Great bike!
Hello Nick. Excellent video very well presented. You have some thinking to do !!!. The GS TE is an excellent bike I had the 1200 version. It did everything I wanted it to even passed my ROSPA test on it. All good until I test-rode a GSA 1200, that was before the 1250 was launched. The bike rode a little better than my GS, the weight was no issue, it handled I found easier very nimble for its weight. Wind protection much better, I find the wind hits the top of my shoulders, and goes just over my head, no helmet buffering. Comfort very good, performance excellent 55 to the gallon. I bought one and love it, I am not saying it’s ‘way better’ the the GS TE but for me the GSA is better for my needs. The bike came with the BMW hard cases attached ‘result’ there, but my old GS I bought GiVI Dolomite Trekker cases in black and they are much better than the BMW stuff. If you choose to have the GSA you will not regret it, it’s a step up and does have more road presence, all around a brilliant bike. Down to you now mate, hope my comments help. Good stuff.
Thanks Johnny. That does help. It’s all the same reasons I have... and it’s a new bike of course 😂 I was surprised how quickly it felt ‘just like mine’ handling and size wise. Like 10 miles!!! Ride safe and look forward to the 1250.
Absolutely adore my R1250GS Exclusive TE. Honestly, if the GSA came in the all black getup I’d gave it in a heartbeat! That being said, I do love the Kalamata paint job on the GSA. Now you’ve got me thinking...........
Good video in your usual informative articulate style Nick. For me it’s all about road presence and I speak with the not nice experience of a car pulling out in front of me ending up with me flying across his bonnet! “ I didn’t see you” I was lucky, only a broken bone in my foot! ! So don’t fit the alarm system to your house after the break in! Go for the GSA, I’m a high vis Helite Airvest man too but then I am a bit hyper after my low level flying experience! Like the RT too but found the foot pegs a bit high for me compared to my GSA. Looking forward to seeing your decision video, I too like the exclusive paint scheme, that’s the one I’d go for.
Thanks for the comment. The RT is a fine machine often overlooked but it’s lower being a tourer and I love my high ‘perch’. Maybe my next money pit will be the K1600??
It depends on the cost to change, however I think we all know what you really want to do!.................Do it Nick! You've talk me into a test ride with my local dealer............won't tell the Missus yet thought!
All I did on my 1250Gs was fit the same screen as on the GSA. The downside to all these big screens winglets and so on is on a hot day boy you wish they weren’t there. The bike chucks out a lot of heat as it is. The reason I didn’t get the GSA was it is taller on the new bike compared to the GS ( suspension travel I believe is more )and for 90% of the time you spend riding you look as if your off on a world tour when your not which is daft. 300 miles with no break not for me even before 200 miles I would have stopped for a coffee or whatever. I have ridden through torrential rain on less protected bikes and it’s not the protection that has got to me it’s just tiring.
It’s a feature you hope you. Ever have to use but I’ve seen reports where people were grateful of it particularly when riding alone. I wonder in the vastness of North America though if cell signal has enough coverage for it to be worthwhile and strong enough a feature to sell without fear of litigation?? £330 option here
Is it worth the extra money?.. only you can tell! i personally would keep the GS and fit the adventure screen to it if that's a plus for you. I found the standard GS screen directed all the wind to my crash helmet, it didn't matter which position it was set at, making for a very noisy ride. i fitted a sports screen that looks really good, it sits just above the satnav and it is much quieter and you get clean air on you which i prefer. the larger tank on the adventure could occasionally be a plus but I'm not sure if it's worth extra just for that. It has more presence though but I'm not sure if other traffic would notice it more than a standard GS with the extra lights on like you have
Those are all my quandary too. I keep saying to myself though I am getting a new bike with no miles not just a screen 😂😂 one minute I convince myself. Next I’m talking myself out of it. Both bikes are soooo good but similar for sure
Ha ha man maths at it's best 😉. I'm on my 3rd GS TE now and it's big enough for me but I'm only 5'7". A mate who's had both recons the GSA is a little more planted but the GS is a bit more nimble because of it's slightly lighter weight and the alloy wheels being lighter so it turns a bit quicker? If you do change you'll find the spoked wheels a PITA to keep clean if that's a concern and I'd recommend you get the tank coated in the protective plastic film from Nippy's as the matt paint Mark's ever so easily. No doubt you'll let us know which way you go with this and I look forward to hearing what it is. Cheers Ade
You'd already made up your mind on the road down to the test to get the GSA. But saving a years road tax and a few more miles range in the tank seem pretty poor reasons to swap a bike with hardly any miles on it and spend £5k plus luggage just for the fun of it. Buy a GSA screen and a set of lights and you've got all the wind protection and "precense"you'll ever need.
I had but not sure now. It’s tough to justify although it’s always going to be the case with any depreciating asset I guess? I’ve also not too many 3 year ‘cycles’ left in my motorcycling (or general) life so may have to shorten them 😂👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK If cash isn't the issue do it.....I px'ed a Triumph Speed Triple RS (19 plate and I was the first owner) with under 1K miles for a GS1250 TE Exclusive in Black with black spoke wheels which had 5300 miles 1 owner on a 19 plate (Bought in November 19) I'd never rode a GS or any BMW bikes until I went to Spain in Oct 19 where I rode a 1200GS including off road and out of the whole group of 7 guys I was the only one who didn't own a GS or a BMW.........until I came back to England. Was always a sportsbike / super naked buyer and my brother and his mates couldn't believe it when I rolled up on a "BMW GS" They weren't laughing after a day's tour ride in the saddle especially when I was keeping up and passing some on the twisties with NO back , shoulder or knee pains!!!! What a bike though, I love it, the do it all bike for an old boy pushing the wrong side 56!! PS. The dealer was doing a £500 cash back/money off at the time.
Hi. I ordered tje sw motech paniers. The Adventage i think is if i don‘t Need them i also can uninstall the Paniers Frame with some simple clicks and i have a cleaner Look on my 1250 GS Adventure. Maybe it is worth a look. Greetz
The GSA exclusive in that military green colour is lovely, if you want it just get it, otherwise you'll spend more money on your existing bike and just end up buying this one anyhow, life's too short just enjoy it!
So difficult. Deep down I’m very happy with the ‘deal’. I just live my GS and not sure there’s enough but hey. Life is short. If we bought motorcycles with our head we’d all be in Puch Maxis 😂
@@nickhodgeUK exactly, that's my excuse anyhow for just buying a regular GS exclusive! When the wife asked I told her I'm using my barber fund that has been redundant the last 15 years 😂
Hi nick I have the 1200 gs adventure rally it’s last of the 18yr fully loaded and I love it some people mention that it’s a massive bike but they are all big at the end of the day and as you say give good presence on the rd . Screen on mine standard and is perfect re size of the bike after being on it a short time the size isn’t an issue 👍 , Steven
Cheers Steven. My dilemma is that I love my GS and somehow for that money difference I wanted some 'wow' difference but deep down knew I wouldn't as all the GS 1200/1250's are superb. It's whether my head will rule........
Totally get it nick , I must admit not worrying about fuel and the wind protection along with road presence is a great thing to have as for fuel when I’m just local I never fill my tank no need I fill it about 3/4 Then on tours I fill it . I thought about going the other way from you I looked at a 1250 hp rallye last wk but I don’t think I can part with the GSA TBH 😉👍
Saw new colours coming. Like the ‘M’ treatment on the XR? That’s a seriously good bike for people who want to ‘play a tune’ on a bike still. Think they’re all moving to Euro 5 too shortly. Not sure that’ll be huge. Probably tweets to fuelling and exhaust. As with computers though, if you wait because..... I find you’ll wait for ever. I’m 61 next week!!!! 😂
@@nickhodgeUK yea i know mate, my GSA is 2 and a half now and done 16.5k. so just waiting at the mo to see what comes out soon for the 2021 year. Love mine tho but better things come lol
Hi Nick, was watching your vid here, as was wondering, do you feel the Go pro on the side oof your helm? I have the same lid, and am working out how to fit mine.
Hi Paul. Often get asked that in comments and no. Don’t notice it. I wish stuff were smaller of course but with modular helmet it can’t go on the chin bar that would probably be best 👍🏻
I'm a couple of years away from buying a GS/GSA, but based on this, I'd go with the GSA. I have pretty bad tinnitus, and wind noise aggravates it, so staying out of the wind is a big deal for me. Honestly, if it wasn't, I'd probably go for the Tiger 900, but that skinny windscreen ain't gonna do it. I'm 6'1", btw, or 186 cm. Curious how tall you are?
Having owned both, the size of the GSA makes it a more visible to the other Motorists. I always ride with all three lights on, so it is intimidating to the others on the Road. If the money is not an issue, go for it! You will get your Money back in resale value later on. Here in the US, GSA has a better resale value than the GS. Besides, it is always amazing how kids and other bikers look at the GSA. Like, how the hell do you ride that thing? Everyone loves it :)
hi nick great video could you tell me please do the givi panniers fit on the gsa's standard pannier rack/bars or do you have to also buy a givi specific rack ? i was going to go for the bmw ones but after seeing video the givi one's look great
Hi Andy. The Givi DO require a specific rack to fit. I went for the Bumot Evo ones (separate video) and those DO NOT require any special equipment. They are slightly heavier made of 2mm aluminium v 1.5mm on Givi or BMW (Touratech) but in my opinion they are very good 👍🏻
Had a gs then a gsa now back to gs. I find the gs more nimble , I can’t ride a bike for more than 200 miles so the bigger gsa tank is of no use to me especially as I ride with others with much smaller tanks.. miss the spots but no big deal..
Yep. I think that sometimes I’ll miss the ‘smaller’ nature of the GS. I think I’m at a 200 mile limit but not having to fill up every time everyone else does is for me a benefit. They moan like hell when I’m ‘faffing’ with all my camera batteries and stuff but are first to shout ‘when’s the Scotland video coming’! It gives me stress-free ‘faff’ time too 😂 ride safe
It sounds like you really want to move to the GSA. I currently ride an RT and if I was looking at a GS, it would be a GSA. (In truth though I'd first look at a K1600 GTL)
That’s so interesting cliff. I was thinking of that. I think it’s in my 1st year service video I test ride one. Without doubt it’s a bike I like and will probably get similar eventually. It’s just both in Scotland and Cornwall there were quite a few occasions I was glad to have the GS. Particularly Scotland. Having said that I sometimes plan far to much of a ‘ride’ avoiding main roads and that can end up in tracks!! I could just ride somewhere and enjoy the view 😂😂
a big (literally) decision, does it have to be a new bike? nearly new GSA maybe an option, i'm on my 3rd GS i use it as a commuter, weekend ride and tour, it does everything very well. I do however get better fuel economy, touring (we go quite slow) Northern Spain i can get 70+ mpg
Hi Nick, got the high chassis R1250 GSA, Exclusive in Kalamata last September, awesome. My mate Gareth got a low chassis same as mine just after ‘unlock’. It has onboard tracker and he also got gold wheels. BMW will not warranty the bike with alloy wheels, ask me how I know?…. Joe
Nick Hodge I was so tired of cleaning the spokes on my R1150 GSA. The dealership asked BMW Germany about my R1250 GSA request to swap spokes for alloys, their reply was that the alloy wheel was not designed for the weight and function of the GSA. There is some evidence that on some models the alloy wheels were warping and in some cases collapsing. This evidence is factual and not antidotal. BTW, my mate Gareth also got the gold wheels, I told him he’s a ‘big tart’🤪😂🤣😂🤣😂👍😎
@@RGSABloke My mate has the BMW R1250GS Exclusive with gold bits all over. I always said mine was 'more subdued' where his was just 'bling'. Now look at me? I think the tank colour is subdued though? ;)
Hey Nick, thank your nice video review. I think you can still fit the adventure windscreen on a standard GS, and I have seen wind deflectors from Wunderlich at Nippy Normans that should fit the standard GS again. I am quite happy with my standard one as I don’t think I would need the extras that the Adv offers over the standard model
Yep you can fit the screen for sure. I’m sat here in garden still undecided. I was looking to change at 3 years but part-ex until September comes with £1,000 from BMW. Tough decision
The £1000 discount is a good incentive for sure... but I would be still undecided on what to do as the bikes are very similar. The good thing is that you could still fit all of the things you mentioned, including the Givi luggage, in the current bike. By the way, these are the wind deflectors I mentioned earlier: www.nippynormans.com/r1200gs-lc-mark-45-2013-on-2017-on/wunderlich-wind-deflectors-clear-r1200gs-lc-2017-on-r1250gs. Tough decision indeed, but whatever you’ll decide it will make you happy(ier) and that’s why we ride :)
surely your tank range is only as useful as the smallest bike you have with you.. although you wont have to fill up when others do, you will still have to stop with them... unless you're doing a solo trip of course.. my tank range is 300miles, my wife's is 150ish, so I end up just filling up at the same time as her anyway as its just easier... so my extra tank range means nothing unless I am on my own. which for a trip is not very often.
Having watched the video, it seems to me your thinking of buying a £5k windscreen. If you bought a std GS Exclusive with gold wheels, you have the luggage, lights, crash bars already. The extra 10 litres will be less efficient than 20l and if you'd have ridden the last 9000 miles on a GSA you would have saved 45 minutes of forecourt time!! Re presence, how many motorists are really gonna notice you that much more. Watching your videos, you're no fool, don't do it, swap? Yer why not, your heads is heading that way, but just go buy a after market screen for a normal GS and swap the extras over. Be interested to know how much difference the small wonder deflectors make. 27.02 mins, show an ill fitting jacket flapping around. Yer maybe less so on the GSA, but no the less. I took a Tiger 1200 out and the wind protection was too good, it felt like a car with the windows up! Spoilt the ride. Good vids by the way 👍
G'Day Nick, great video and review thanks. I'm looking at getting back in the saddle and buying a new GSA if we ever get past this covid mess here in Melbourne. Cheers, Nick S
I went to a BMW dealer in Melbourne soon after I bought my GS in November 2018. In fact Australia was still awaiting its launch. It had a BMW museum upstairs and we had a great chat with the guy who owned them. Can’t remember the district but have pictures on my phone. Vic certainly is going through it again. Stay safe 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK awesome, not too far away from me and where I was thinking I would book a test ride. Really appreciate the heads up and the great videos. I'm coming back to biking after around 10 years break and looking at doing some vlogging, so found your helmet video really useful. Thanks again, Nick S
It's brilliant I have the adventure hp te the only nit pick I have is that my right leg gets a bit warm in hot weather i don't know if you have the same thing on the gs.
Hi Nick Congrats on your upgrade choice. I've had my R1250 GSA TE since spring 2019 and its a super machine. However, I've had a major issue with the front calipers leaking brake fluid. Leaking whilst standing over a period of time when I noticed drips on the wheel and garage floor. It took a good 3 months to get them replaced and I've not had any problems since. BMW UK at the time were 'super' reluctant to admit any fault with the product and the dealer seemed to be in the dark as well. Initially they could not even provide a lead time on replacement parts which I interpreted as being ". . . get in the queue . . ." I cannot find any recall info in the UK BUT there is a recall in the USA as per following link (www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/BMW/R%2525201250%252520GS). Good luck on your new purchase.
Cheers. BMW are always reluctant to admit any issue. My favourite is the oil light on the first screen of the TFT. Most of the time it’s just greyed out. Very, very occasionally green. I asked at service and they gave me the bulletin. Could make much out of it apart from basically the moon needed to be blue, you needed to have your underwear on backwards and odd socks on. Noticed in the latest TFT software update..... they removed it from that screen 😂😂 just a gap where it used to be. Ride safe 👍🏻
I have done it already. I regret. Too tall, too top heavy. If your are not tall and strong, absolutely get the « low chassis » option. I miss the nimbleness and feeling of the GS.
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Hi Nick, I came from a 1200 GSA to a 1250 GS Exclusive and with no regrets. I changed the standard GS screen to a Puig Touring screen, and actually found the wind noise and protection better than the GSA!! Yes it has a better tank range, but I can get over 200 miles out of my GS, a full tank on a GSA can be an issue when trying to move the GSA around a car park or on an adverse camber. I find the balance of the GS better suited to me, I also think it is a better looking bike ( personal opinion). Whatever you decide to do, good luck and safe riding>
Thanks Peter. I love my GS for sure
@@nickhodgeUK Yes Nick the GS is a great machine, but I think it will be my last. I am now 65 and in a couple of years might down size my bike. Top of my wish list at the moment is the Moto Guzzi V85TT.
+ 1 for the Puig touring screen, if you are 6 foot + it's better than the GSA screen.
I like you brought my r1250gs at the same time, but I haven’t put the amount of miles on as you, mine is just over 3,000. What with the current situation I haven’t put as many miles on it as I would have liked. If I did decided to change I will wait until the 3 year warranty will run out in 2022. I am just in the process of sorting out a slightly bigger screen. I went down the same route regarding panniers and top box, I changed my Givi Trekker ones that I had fitted to the Honda NC750X, just brought a new rack and top box plate when Sportsbikeshop had 10% off. The new pannier rack is also detachable so makes for much easier cleaning or just leave them off if required.
I think if I changed I would stick with the GS as I don’t want the extra weight of the GSA, I find that I need a break after 220 miles so don’t need the extra mileage anyway. Also I don’t like cleaning wire wheels had enough that with some of the older bikes I have had.
Best of luck deciding !!
Thanks. If they weren’t both so good it’d be easier for sure
The Puig Touring windshield is the best of them all. I had the dark smoke on my 1200GS Rallye and now on the black my 1250GS Exclusive. I’m 6’4” and keep the windshield in the lowest setting (even at highway speeds).
Everyone has their favorite GS. Both bikes are great and each have their own pros/cons. Get it to fit your needs/wants. After owing my 1200GS, I thought I would get the 1250GSA, but the GS fits what I want out of the bike.
Thanks for contributing Gene
I've been down this rabbit run myself. :-) Currently on my 5th GS. Had the first hexhead for 11 years, then (3 years ago) switched to 1200 GSA, followed by 1200 GS, followed by 1250 GS (Exclusive). A couple of weeks ago, I sold the 1 year old GS1250 back to the supplying dealer (losing £4k on the purchase price) and bought a 2008 GS1200! Basically, having done the whole latest tech / shift-cam, etc, etc over the last 3 years (and fully indulged in the 'new bike day' experience (with all the costs that go with that, e.g. running in servicing, etc), I genuinely missed the 'old school' e.g. 'proper' speedo and rev counter etc and no longer want to be looking at an ipad style TFT screen etc. Buying a new bike generates a fresh 3 year warranty (great, when you consider the cost of repairing all that technology if/when any of it fails!), fresh tyres / brakes, etc, etc, as you acknowledged in the video, but having been down this road big time over the last 3 years (and spent thousands of pounds unnecessarily!), my honest opinion is it's not worth it. But, if the deal is compelling / winning, you only live once! Go for it! Regarding GS versus GSA. You can put the GSA screen on the GS and change the wind deflection dramatically, but in very hot weather, touring around e.g. Portugal / Spain etc in the summer, you will MISS the airflow to the body and especially on the legs! Those huge GSA petrol tanks prevent any wind whatsoever to the crotch / butt. It gets hotter than hell on those things! Also, the additional weight changes the bike's ability to change direction quickly when e.g. trying to avoid a massive pot hole. The GSA just doesn't 'flick' like the GS. You are right however in that it handles the same as the GS on long swooping bends. In some ways the additional weight makes it more planted in fact. The GSA seat height is taller and the seat it's self is slightly wider at the front. For riders below 6 foot, this can make the seat slightly uncomfortable as it is a bit of a stretch to sit astride it compared to the GS (particularly when putting your feet down at stops etc). I think the GSA works best for 6 ft+ riders with the GS better for shorter riders. By the way, on screens, I tried (and preferred) the ultra short 'rallye' screen on both the GS and the GSA. Less is more with screens. Clean air flow (no buffeting) and they look cool (especially the tinted one). Again, better for sub 6 ft riders. Good luck!
Thanks for such a detailed comment. Maybe there is a continuing market in retro? 😂👍🏻
The Adventure:
Better tank size, (A MAJOR advantage)
Better wind protection.
Better road presence.
Crash bars and some other stuff already fitted.
Luggage racks.
Standard GS:
Lighter. (Very little when fuel, crash bars and some other things are removed from weight difference)
Lookes better. (A matter of taste)
Hi Nick, many thanks for the video. As somebody who had a GS and is now on his second GSA, I would like to pass on my thoughts. Like you, I am tall at 6'2" and find that the GSA is better suited to my build; the seat height is also higher than the GS though I have mine on the lower setting. There is no doubt that the GSA has more presence on the road; the bigger tank and fairing, screen, the (excellent) spot lights etc. all combine to give more confidence on the road. The bike feels that you could ride it through a barn door and not feel it! I have the MRA Vario screen, which I originally fitted to my GS and then transferred to my other two bikes; it's an excellent piece of equipment, but all personal of course. I bought the black Bumot cases as they are cheaper than the BMW ones, but still fit the OEM frames. I didn't purchase the Bumot topbox though as it only comes in one size that will not take two helmets; instead I bought the Givi Trekker 58L that does take two helmets, in black so it conforms to the side cases. I also bought the Bumot tool case in the same colour. I have the HP model, but didn't want the gold wheels as (again personal) I don't like the colour; I therefore had the black wheels fitted and this was a no cost option (you might want to check that before forking out an additional £60). When swapping over accessories form the GS to the GSA, there are a couple of things to consider due the differing geometries of the two bikes. You need (if you use one) the appropriate side stand plate as the side stand on the GSA is longer and the wrong one can scratch the frame; the Mudsling will rub against the rear tyre until it has worn down a bit, so I therefore fitted a rear hugger instead that was also a lot cheaper (£30 on eBay). In summary, the GSA suits me better than the GS; I just love this motorcycle. You don't notice the extra weight from the bigger tank when riding ,and on occasion have had nearly 400 miles out of one tank of fuel. I hope this has been useful; whichever way you decide to go, they're both excellent bikes that do so many things, so well. Cheers, Andy
Thanks for the detailed answer Andy. What tyres do you have as I think that may be the mudslingers issue as they list some that rub. I have no side stand plate but must get one. I’m pretty sure it’s just my Denali D4’s that need another bracket as the GS one doesn’t fit. I’ll take a look at the side cases and toolbox for sure as there is attraction to using existing frames. Thanks again. Ride safe 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK Hi Nick, the first time I experienced rubbing from the Mudsling was when I fitted Mezeler Tourance Nexts and then when I put Bridgestone A41 Adventures on; the hugger I have on now is (in my opinion) I better option. The Bumot cases are very good indeed; they hinge lengthwise rather than widthwise like the BMW and Givi cases. The design of the hinge allows the lid the stay rigid in various positions - check out this video th-cam.com/video/alYt_rhA7UQ/w-d-xo.html
Cheers, Andy
Hi Nick,
I have my GSA HP for a month now. It is already 2700 km on. With last tank i made 573 km before fill in.
It is 40 mm higher than the GS, so I can't flat foot, but not so bad.
For the top case I have installed the GIVI Trekker Outback 58 L, pretty good, for the daily use is great and the bike does not look bad with that big box on the back.
For side panniers I have the SW-Motech Trax Adventure. Very good quality and you don't need to trow away the BMW frame, since you only need to buy the adapter plates to install the side panniers.
Each day I enjoy more to ride this motorcycle.
I can't advise you on what to do, because it is a personal choice you must do. what ever you feel you will love the most and suits you better. Never mind what others say.
Safe Rides.
All the best.
Thanks Jose. I felt it was higher but in no way was I just on one-foot or as I saw once. A guy slide sideways off the saddle at each stop 😂
Get what you want brother, it's what life is all about. Why work your whole life if you can't enjoy the benefits? I too will be getting the GSA variant when its time(sooner rather than later would be good)! To me personally, the 1250gsa is the ulitimate tourer as I live in Australia and we have a lot of country to explore. Extra fuel range is a bonus especialy if you head out to the back of beyond and you don't want to carry too much in the way of extra fuel. Comfort, reliability and a decent seat height mean a lot to me these days. Stay safe brother.
I bought a 2018 GSA coming over from a Harley. Have not looked back at all!! Love it and as you say - major road presence which here in the US, you need it!!!
You need it here too for sure. Ride safe 👍🏻
I think the geometry of the GSA is a benefit as it relates to Rake and Trail. I like my wheels touching the ground. Of course the Fuel capacity is a winner hands down. You can't go wrong.
I agree. I’m loving it 👍🏻
Hi Nick, I’m surprised you don’t feel a difference in the handling. They’re two different bikes with different geometries. The GSA is 20mm higher and a 21mm shorter wheelbase. Hence their steering wheel angle is also different. You’re right, the wind protection is far better and quite bad with the standard GS shield. I ride all year. I just sold my 1 year old GS with 14.000km for the GSA exclusive. I find the suspension more comfy too and I would say it’s like comparing a Range Rover Sport to a Range Rover Vogue 😉 Greetings from Luxembourg
Thanks Jean. I truly did 10 miles and it felt like my bike even with a full fuel load. Now the traffic was bad (Friday) so there may be some difference in every small area but it wasn’t noticeable to me. At least not as I had thought. The seat I did notice after I set it Hugh, front, low back same as my GS as I was sooooo slightly off flat feet. Ride safe 👍🏻
From over 30 years of sports bikes, I went directly to a GSA and am now on my 3rd. I picked up the 1250 less than 2 weeks ago and am loving the GSA way. I initially considered the GS but decided that I wanted the bigger fuel tank as well as the extra items; engine bars, lights, spoked wheels, and bigger presence. Items I’d want to add to a GS, so made sense to get the GSA.
Re fuel stops, you hit the nail on the head. I don’t mind stopping when other members of the group need to stop to fuel, but it’s nice not have to faff around filling up - gives a chance to just chill for a few minutes. It’s also quite usual for others of the group to comment, along the lines of liking the idea themselves. I also visit family up north and I don’t like stopping, so it’s good to get there in one hit.
By the way, the GSA rides a tad higher than the GS, so seat height is slightly higher, apart from that they are exactly the same. The GSA is not much heavier than the GS - add engine bars, spots, and a bigger screen to a GS and you’re not far off the GSA.
The height is interesting. I have standard height frame, suspension, etc (as the test bike). I have my seat high-front, low-back as it slides me away from the tank and into the front of the pillion seat, a bit like a lumbar support. I can plant both feet flat. On the test bike I mirrored that and I was marginally off flat feet both sides so it must be in the seat I guess??? It’s about an inch I reckon? Thanks for comment
Yes, go for it. I have owned 2 GS and 2 GSA’s. Currently a 1250 GSA. The reasons are:
1. Range I get 570 km and it is essential if you are ever going to a country where gas is not as easy to get, like Argentina, or for me, going through Northern BC to the Yukon. Also so convenient not to gas up as often as my friends on sport bikes,
2, Wind protection -as you noted, a big difference. I fitted a Wunderlich screen which is even bigger than stock, but I think I am taller than you.
3. Road presence. A nice difference.
4. Resale value. You should get much of the extra cost back when you sell it..
Yes, go for it.
Cheers James and ride safe 👍🏻
You’re a very smooth rider, Nick. The suspension is better adjusted on your GS than on the Adventure. Suggestions: (1)test ride in heavy rain, (2) fit the extra windshield on your GS (I suspect it may well be better than the Adventure). Excellent report😉
Thanks Ernie. I’ll try and do that
Hi Nick
I have a 1250GSA HP TE and considered changing to a standard GS TE. I took the GS out for the day from my supplying dealer and really enjoyed it. It felt lighter, nimbler and I could flat foot far easier. However. like you I prefer the extra wind protection and the road presence of the GSA. For me the deciding factor in sticking with the GSA is the extra suspension movement which you didn't mention. I spend a lot of the summer months riding in the Alps etc but when not on tour the Yorkshire Dales are my main hunting ground. Some of the roads I spend a lot of time on are awful and the GSA comes into it's own here as it just glides over all the ruts and potholes.
GSA for me
Mike
Hi Mike. Thanks for the comment. I thought both really handle certainly road potholes and such beautifully. What I do find with the GSA is that I use the suspension adjustment more than I did on the GSs’ I’ve had which stayed on auto from day 1-end 👍🏻
It's a definite "no" from me, Nick. I have the MRA vario screen on my R1250GS and (for me) it definitely improves the wind protection by pushing the main force above my helmet. Yes, there is some noise from the sides of the screen but certainly for my use, it's fine.
I have met a bunch of guys with GSA's and many of them say they are considering a switch to the GS.... Everyone wants what they ain't got!
Hi Richard, thanks for the comment. There's always a bit of that I think. I do love my GS
Swap it! 😂 Easy to say when it ain’t my money! I test drove both. The GS was lighter due to the gas tank. But I had no problems with the GSA. I bought the GSA because I had wanted one for so long, I thought I’d be disappointed if I got anything else. It did not disappoint! When riding around town, I rarely fill it up. Maybe 5 gallons. But when I travel, it makes a difference! Good luck!
The Adventure is a great bike. I definitely miss it 👍🏻
If you want GSA, go get one. Some reasons are understandable, but to spent less time at filling stations seems to be no reason at all. Especially if you are on the road with a group with some sport bikes with then 1/3 of your fuel range since you would have to wait for them anyway... unless you'd be orbiting the fuel station, while your fellas are filling up.... :-) I will defo stick with my 1250 Exclusive no A... :-) Stay safe and enjoy riding!
Thanks Claus. It is only one of the reasons. Not sure what I’d do with the time waiting. Maybe just get angry 😂
I bought a 1200 GSA Triple Black 2 years ago and love it. Coming from a Yamaha MT10 it was quite a change! Id always liked the GSA having sat on them at bike shows etc but decided to have a test ride on a quiet weekend and it exceeded all my expectations. Found a good deal including black BMW panniers and Nav 6 thrown in and had every option so I snapped it up. When I took mine in for its first service I test road a 1250 GS, thought it was smoother and quicker as a 1250, but really disliked the GS size. I'm not particularly tall at 5.9, but it felt like a toy and just didn't have the 'king of the road' feeling that the GSA gives, both from a feeling of tackling any weather and road but also from being seen. For when I use it to commute, the tank range is great as its 130 mile round trip. Other bikes I had to fill up daily, this I don't which really changes the experience - its not always about tank range in one go for me, but nice to do multiple days riding and not have to worry about finding fuel. The protection and support the bigger tank gives i think makes a difference too. I wont be changing from the GSA, just maybe to a 1250 in the future!
Many people have commented about the fuel being readily available and they’re right of course but for me it’s one opportunity to do ‘optional’ while others are doing ‘necessary’. Change GoPro batteries, check route, have a drink/eat and not be accused of ‘faffing’. Leave that to those having to stop in every town! 😂👍🏻
Funny! I’m thinking about changing my adv for the GS as I dont feel the extra tank capacity is justified.
Reach out to me nick if you need anything denali. I’ll look after you for a shout out! Officially now the biggest Denali retailer in UK and about to move to new business premises with fitting centre etc.
A BIKE THING thanks for that. If I swap I will surely need a light bracket and was looking to upgrade the CanSmart to Gen 2 too. Not sure about more lights but may fit strips on Panniers
Nick Hodge yes so let me sort out the gen2 and the mount for you. You’ll need to route a second harness through for the D4s. You want B6s to be fitted to the givi pannier boxes? Would mean drilling but flush mount gaskets come with them.
I'll go ahead and say it. Fit the adv screen and other stuff that you like on normal gs and save the 5k for a super duper trip. Stay safe.
You’re not alone in that sentiment either 👍🏻
Nick needs to ride in the rain. There's the massive difference between GS and GSA. GSA tank fairing is a true effective fairing - legs dry.
Gregory Shore spoke with a guy on a GSA outside dealership. He said with GSA it’s only feet and lower shin get wet
Nick Hodge I was leaning towards the GS at one stage with the lower height, nice seat etc but the extra weather protection and the extra range do come in handy here in Australia. A friend of mine got his GSA before me and yes, his last ride in the rain really only saw the toes of his boots getting wet. I guess I’ll find out myself shortly, mines on the way, just gotta wait for it to PD’d and apparently that’s going to take a few days. I can’t wait.
TheTripleDubya aka Dubya 07 that’s exciting. Ride safe 👍🏻
Hi Nick, a really good comparison there and very unbiased. I have a 1250gs TE Rallye which I got in March before lockdown. I nearly went for a dealer approved used Adventure with 3000 on the clock but saved 4k getting mine as an ex-demo with 800miles on it. she'll be one in September, looking back I'm happy with that decision. I'm 6' and have to navigate a cobbled lane with a very big camber and raised manhole cover right outside my garage, I can only just touch the ground with the seat in low going over that. 75% of my riding is with the boss on the back and having firmly planted feet at times is a huge advantage when off-camber at a stop, potholes in car parks etc. The GSA may be a bit too tall, just occasionally. Re the fuel, I agree on a 250kg bike you won't notice the extra but your only going to get through a 20 ltr tank in less than 2 hours on an autobahn! I fitted a MRA Vario screen which stopped all my head buffeting and more importantly for Nicky on the back as well. Touratach lower and upper bars with Denali D2's and S4's give as much road presence as a GSA in my opinion. The Rallye also comes with the bigger footrests, I may get the deflectors shown in one of the other posts though. I thoroughly recommend the Bumot Defender Evo panniers, best made one I have seen and the Frozen Grey colour matches BMW's cylinders. Ridercamtv guys have a good review here th-cam.com/video/BwjEbv9nrog/w-d-xo.html. At the end of the day I think it's a head verses hart decision, I wish you luck with that one, I would probably spend it on a trip to Norway :-)
Thanks a lot for the detail. I took a look at the Bumot panniers, not sure they’re not a bit too agricultural but noticed the colourways. Like they fit the standard racks too 👍🏻
GSA all the way (340 miles)!
I have varios on mine, they suit me OK. If I need more luggage space I attach a BMW Soft Bag 3 to the top box rack or on the pillion seat. The increased tank range is very useful when touring proper for example I don't need to buy expensive Dutch petrol!.
All the best from Knutsford,
Nick
Cheers Knutsford Nick. Ride safe 👍🏻
Thank you for your in depth comparison and for some beautiful country side. As always great video. Thank you for sharing.
Cheers Glenn. I miss Oxfordshire
I tried both models before buying and bought an adventure for the reasons you are thinking about swapping the bikes for now, never regretted getting the adventure.
Thanks for the comment Ian 👍🏻
Everything you have spoken about is what I experience on my Gsa the road presents is absolutely superb. If I ride through traffic everyone moves out of the way and honestly people see you coming for miles. I feel safer on this bike than all of the bikes I have owned. I know people like to throw hate on the size but thats what I love the most about it. Nice vid Nick
Thanks for the comments 👍🏻
The problem is that you can’t “ride through traffic” on a GSA !
Left waiting, sweltering in frustrating queues , while friends who chose the alternative R1250GS HP (with varios or soft luggage ) gently filters, makes progress to the destination.
@@maxflight777 I was riding through miles of traffic yesterday. The brilliant thing is everyone moves out of your way when you ride a GSA through traffic. Its actually quite enjoyable to do it
I come from the 2011 1200GSA air cooled. I bought the 1250GSA. I like the bigher tank, the wire wheels and all the "scafolding" bars. I also like the heavy weight. I am tall and i let the weight work for me
Thanks for the comment Robert. I’m edging toward... 😉
I got my 2020 GSA HP in February after watching your videos. It’s the best bike I’ve ever had. The gas tank, crash bars and wind deflection features are the obvious advantages over the GS model. But, considering the upgrades you did on your bike, if it was me I wouldn’t swap for the GSA. I think only if the higher tank capacity is what you really want then consider the upgrade.
Thanks for the comment. Love you have the bike now. I would swap all the accessories over for sure
Hi Nick. I picked up a GSA Exclusive TE in Kalamata with Gold Wheels a few weeks ago. The bike collection was delayed due to COVID but BMW think it was the first one made in that colour and with the Gold wheels. Maybe you will be the second!
Hope you enjoy it. Ride safe 👍🏻
I am expecting my new 2021 GS Adventure to be delivered to the dealer in the next 2 weeks and I am looking forward to picking it up. I had the GS and the added peace of mind the extra fuel gives me will be very nice. I have had range anxiety with the GS after being in a near empty situation. In the states we do have roads that can span a large distance without fuel stations. I’ve also had the same problem in Baja. I did get the low suspension option fitted from the factory that brings the seat height in line with the GS.
Hi Doug. You will notice the difference, not just in range but in weather protection too. On the downside she’s not so nimble as the GS particularly with the tank full. If you struggle with seat height you’ve made a wide choice with the lowered suspension. I’ve a long leg but at 6ft1in the GSA can test it particularly if anything slopes away at a stop. Ride safe 👍🏻
I just took a test ride on a GSA and it definitely feels a lot smaller on the road compared to when you are sitting on the bike in the showroom. IMO, it's not as nice looking as the GS and I don't need the fuel capacity but the wind and rain protection is undeniable. I'm having a tough time making the decision between the two myself. I think your upgrade cost is very reasonable though with all things considered.
Hi Mark. I’m on tour at the minute but 2,000 mile into a tour. I’ll post some comments shortly I hope. Both are superb bikes 👍🏻
I agree about the original GS "small" screen, but I fixed the wind issue with a much larger Wunderlich screen. Very happy now.
Thanks James. Suggestions I got for that never included the Wunderlich. Just the GSA slotted on, the MRA and I think the Puig?
@@nickhodgeUK Yes sir. I purchased their Ergo Screen Marathon 2 and have really enjoyed the extra protection it affords. I also like wearing a high visibility Rev It Tornado 2 jacket for increased road presence as well.
Clearly down to personal choice and satisfying that niggling itch if its too great. If your std GS doesn't bug you every ride then stick with it. Mine is all I need in a bike (GS 1250 Exclusive) and I struggled with the std/adv conundrum before I bought it. Spoked wheels, upper and lower crash bars from Touratech and that much favoured MRA screen made the bike look and feel great for me. I guess once I added the BMW aux lights and a full set of yes, Touratech luggage 🙄, I'd have spent the same as buying the Adventure version, in reality more. However, 'farkled up' I like the look of mine much more than the GS ADV Exclusive so as I say down to personal taste. A point on luggage systems if you go for it. Be careful with the width of the topbox in your set up. I've seen some set ups where folks can't tilt the pannier lids up properly due to the topcase getting in the way. As ever a cracking vid with clear audio and thoughtful presentation👍
Thanks Pete. Oh the itch 😂. Yes I saw that with the cases although the kids of the panniers do disconnect both ends to lift off completely if that’s an issue. Most of the time with mine I only ride with the top box on. Who wants to ride with empty panniers? For me however that’s a down on the GSA. It leaves the ugly scaffolding in place. Dilemmas, dilemmas. Ride safe 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK I get that Nick. Taste is an odd thing as conversely I think the scaffolding adds to the bikes charisma😂😂
Hi Nick! If you had a 1200GS, I would say straight away "Yes, do it" but having a 1250, don't think it's the right thing, at least for now. The best scenario would be to give it a year more, enjoy your GS and then check again if your desire to trade is still applicable.
I have an Africa Twin (just 1 year old) and I am scratching myself to buy also a 1250GSA Exclusive but in my case the difference is quite big, it's a step up in several ways. Even thought, I find it difficult to justify the GSA as my bike is like new and I mainly do offroad where the AT is really really good, so switching to a bigger beast is not probably the best. But, when doing on road trips, the wind protection and huge fuel tank make it all worth. I ride a lot with a mate with a 1200GSA and I started to love that thing since we switched bikes in 1 trip. Nevertheless, I will only trade it next year, as I still need to enjoy a bit more my AT. As for the GSA, not going for the gold wheels, have it on my AT, what a pain to keep them clean and shiny (also, due to the chain... something that is not part of a GS ehehe).
Basically, justifying your trade is difficult as you are probably aware, it really comes down to the desire to get a new bike and if money is not an issue, go for it. Life is short! Stay safe.
António Ramos Hi Antonio. I too thought Nick’s video was informative and interesting. I was also intrigued by your post which mirrors my situation to a tee. I have an’18 model AT Adv Sport which I am considering swapping over to the new 1250 GS Adv......ah but for the price difference. Love the Honda ( DCT) but shaft drive and BMW road cred make such a strong case. Would love to know which way you decide to go. Manfred Pohlenz
@@Pohlenzm Hi Manfred, thanks for the reply! I am more than happy to share my opinion, I apologize in advance for the long comment. My standard AT is a manual but I do get your point... DCT is really good, it's getting better and better and that is a really good selling point for Honda. BMW's quickshifter is pretty good, works up and down and it's smooth but yes... It's not like an auto gearbox. Have you compared the price of a GSA and the new AT Adventure Sports? Not sure where you are from but in some countries the price difference is around 1000€ and BMW has some good financial deals. That difference is not much and honestly, Honda priced the bike quite highly (but that's another topic, it's easy to understand why they did that, they wanted to clearly state which competition where they aiming at. It's a question if the bike is worth that or not). But... Focusing on the 1250GSA, I would go for it for 2 reasons: boxer engine (iconic & more powerful - not that you would need more power than an AT, let's be honest) and weight distribution, the GSA is so good on the twisties and also off road as the weight is concentrated bellow, with a low center of gravity. One thing that I hate in the AT is the fact it's too top heavy. The weight is focused on the top of the bike, lifting that bike from the ground is a real workout. If the money is not a really huge streach, go for it. And... I also get your point on the GS riding community. Is strong for sure.
Thanks for such a thoughtful comment 👍🏻
António Ramos Hi mate. Lovely to read your reply...and so soon. I am in Australia where the new AT in full spec is about $26.500. The GSAdv is around $31.000 so still a difference. Also, the depreciation on my Honda means any change over will be about $11,000. The AT is a beautiful bike and in DCT form like mine, SO easy to ride off road. ( though admittedly a bit boring on road. Not for lack of power, rather lack of things to do!) Biggest issue as you say, is it’s top heavy ness.
@@Pohlenzm No worries, love to chat about bikes! The price difference between the GSA and the AT Adventure Sports is quite substancial then... so if I got it right, in order to make the trade you will need to spend around 11.000$? That's something... (actually, I think it would be around the same in my scenario, 10.000€!). I think that a couple of simple questions could get you the answer you are looking for: Assuming that you really want to change your bike, if you bought a new AT Adventure Sports, will you be still thinking about a GSA? Desiring one? Asking yourself if you made the right purchase? Or will you be 100% happy? In my case, I know I will continue to find the bike not so great on road and continue to desire a GS, so I rather save more money to go for it.
Nevertheless, there is the need to be financially responsible so I would only advice a purchase if you are able to financially reach out to a 1250GSA. If yes, go for it! Or you can try to check a fairly new 2018/2019 1200GSA that already have the TFT screen and all the good stuff. I have also checked that and it can be a good option sometimes but the BMW financial deals on new bikes are pretty good so for around 2000$ more I would rather have a new bike. Don't know how it is in Australia. Cheers!
Nick, thanks for the nice review! Just before the lockdown in Belgium I switched from the F700 GS into the R1200 GSA LC from 2015. I hand no doubt what so ever... I had to have an adventure because of all the features that you have indicated in you video. The 2 main reasons to go for the adventure were for me the significant larger fuel range as well as the better standard equipment. As everybody knows in Europe we don t have a problem finding petrol stations around every corner of the street, but I am a guy that wants to fuel the bike wants it and not when the bike needs it (you see what I mean). As you have indicated, the extra weight is not at all an issue. What is also great on the GSA are bigger very solid foodpegs.
I would say, if you have the resources, just go for it, no doubt a out it!! Ride safe and please keep posting your interesting videos!!
Thanks for great input Kim. The pegs are interesting and I forgot that. Often on long trips I have to stand to ‘let air under’ me! Doing that in the little rubber covered GS ones does mean very careful placing before standing. The GSA larger ones may help that??
Nick, I don’t have experience with the small foodpegs from the GS, but only experience with the bigger foodpegs from the GSA. I absolutely love the bigger foodpegs becdause the are so solid and you have an extremly good grip on them. Because of the fact that till now, never go off road, I put after market rubbers on it from Wünderlich. Affordable price and very easy to install. In this way you have a very big surface where you can put your feet on. I am curious about your decision!!
Nick - new subscriber here again! 'Ive got the very bike you're looking at buying. Mine is a 2019 GSA Excl TE with full BMW luggage. It's a cracking bike. I tried both and the GSA is far better as a touring bike. Taking it steady with luggage I've seen 380 miles out of it on a tankful. It allows for a full day's touring without worrying about fuel. The Bumot Luggage is better than the BMW stuff but I bought BMW as i got a 0% deal on it which suited me.Weather protection is loads better too.Just buy one!!!
Thanks for the input. I’ve the luggage dilemma too yet but feeling Givi still favourite and actually SW Motech 2nd I think. Ride safe
@@nickhodgeUK I have had Givi panniers and currently have the tanklok tank bag on the GSA for wallet/phone/docs etc. Spot on gear in my experience.
Sure we'll be watching you take delivery of a GSA soon!
Personally it’s a no-brainer, I think the GSA is far more practical with the larger fairing and screen suiting me perfectly; the added benefits of a bigger range etc are an added bonus. Ultimately I think the GS is a brilliant bike, but the GSA is definitely the better version. Is it worth the cost of upgrading? - I think so - the added benefits will be worth it.
Thanks for adding to the debate 👍🏻
If money is an issue spend a grand on service, tyres and brake pads. Save 4K.. if not go for it! My 1250 Gs HP is staying after test riding the 1250 GSA. I prefer the lighter feel and look. (Only because of the paint job, mind)
Thanks Paul. You can get HP paint in the Rallye Adventure you know 😂
Nick Hodge thanks for the reply. Yes the GSA HP is nice but not as nice as mine! I am considering the GSA at change over, which is 18 months away!
You're in a win/win situation either way. I switched from a Ducati Multistrada to a 1250 GSA and I went the GSA route because my friends ride them and the internet says you should. Unfortunately, I lost that bike in an accident and while I had no complaints with the GSA, I was reluctant to replace my GSA with another GSA.
My reasons:
- I've never been on a significant ride with only GSA riders so fuel stops are more frequent than even required on a GS.
- I don't like riding with side cases on the bike unless I'm on a trip and, to me, the GSA looks like an overweight middle-aged man trying to fit into skinny jeans without the side cases on. :)
- The width of the tank precluded me from seeing where I was going to put my feet when coming to a stop
- The bike handled less sharply than my Multi (no real surprise there). But I felt the smaller GS would likely feel slightly more sharp and I do like how much lighter it feels. How light a bike feels is may be personal but I spend quite a bit of time in the mountains and while I had no issue handling either, I prefer the way the GS feels.
So, upon re-purchase, I bought the GS HP with the taller suspension. I also added the lower OEM crash bar and mounted Erica and Darla Clearwater lights so I have plenty of road presence. :D
Decide with confidence, either is great!
My decision in the next year is a bit more difficult for me. I'm either going back to a Multistrada or adding a Streetfighter V4S as a stable mate to the GS.
Thanks for the detail. Much thought. Love the overweight man squeezing into skinny jeans 😂😂
Just completing a tour (live on Isle Of Wight) of peak district, lake district, Yorkshire moors, north and south Wales. And finally south coast on my 2019 GSA HP rallye.
My mate on his tiger had to stop twice as much as me for fuel which adds time. Loaded up with camping gear didn't faze it one bit. Yes heavy when fully fueled and loaded. But coped without any drama. Even in the rain it didn't miss a beat.
And they look the nuts.
You’ll go past my door on way to ferry! Good job you’re not returning from Spain. Red Funnel are keeping island safe! 👍🏻😂
@@nickhodgeUK my only grumble would be the seat comfort. But we were riding on average 250-300 miles a day. My arse started to suffer after about the 200 mile mark. Will need to look into ways to add comfort without adding weight. Other than that can't complain.
I have to say, there is some truly fantastic riding in this country.
Going to do Scotland around late April next year now.
Nick Kennedy did Scotland last August. It was fantastic. May put together some footage but definitely have Garmin routes if you wanted. Based in Inverness and rode each day out of there. 90 mile shortest, 300 mile longest. Covered whole of Highlands in a 5 day stint (plus one stop on way up and two on way back so 8 days in all)
I ride my R1200GSA HP in Canada with the lower spots a little up in your face, and the high beam always on between sunrise and sunset. Incidence of failure-to-notice events, you know, the pull out in front of you, or turn across your path, have dropped to effectively zero. And I have never had anyone flash their annoyance at my high beam. There's your street presence in action. No flashing Denali's apparently needed up front. But could use some more brilliance at the rear, for sure. Nick: Buy the GSA. What's 5 grand over the next five years?
Thanks Gregory, see the latest video for the outcome ;)
Hi Nick, It was never a question for me to go for the GSA and until today I didn‘t regret it at all = more wind protection, more distance, more weight on the front especially in the alps when you are fully packed and has to manage steep climbings. I am really interested how you will decide at the end! Cheers mate, stay safe
Thanks Achim. It’s a serious decision. I love my GS
I changed my 2016 GS for a 2018 GSA (both 1200). Two years in now with the GSA and two Alps tours and don't regret it in the slightest. It is a more comfortable ride and incredible 400 mile tank range when touring. Another year and I will be looking at the 1250GSA.
Mark Crumb similar scenario Mark 👍🏻
The more weight to the front is precisely why I don't like the gsa over the regular gs!
But especially with pillion and luggage the GS became too light for me on the forehand, and the little extra weight of the GSA compensates for this perfectly, but this is not noticeable at all in solo operation
All that you said, and you said a lot. All without taking a breath too. 😂. The GSA is outstanding. It’s got absolutely knockout looks. It’s really not all that much larger and does give you a better sense of presence. Life’s short, now just do it! Then go out square away with A Bike Thing and get a pair of D7’s and a lovely Sound Bomb horn. You will look and sound most impressive. Ride safe and ride often. Peace.
My mates call me ‘Nick (Why use one word when one hundred is better)’ 👍🏻😂
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Ok Nick it is. However so focused on the first sentence you failed to appreciate the input of wonderful GSA, much more important. Happy riding.
Hi Nick, I had to think long and hard before I chose a new GS in March over the Adventure. I’m a tall guy at 6ft 3” and coming from a RT I too did find the wind an issue but decided on the GS and just fitted a wunderlich screen which is brill. The only other main difference is the bigger fuel tank but I thought I have to stop for my riding buddies so didn’t really need a bigger tank. I also think the GS with it’s lighter weight is a little more flickable and easier to move around the garage etc.
Yep all valid. My GS is lovely. Who doesn’t want a new bike though ? 😂👍🏻
Nick Hodge well they do say a change is as good as a rest and I think you’ve decided, and when I’ve had mine a couple of years or 3 I might follow you. Can’t wait for the vid. Great content by the way 🏍🏍
I wouldn’t go to a GS from my GSA TE. True you don’t need the extra fuel but it’s nice to know when touring I’m not going to be the one that runs out of fuel and can even assist other riders that might have run out. Either way, they are great bikes.
I agree Trevor. I’ve really loved my GS 👍🏻
You will need to factor in the reduced trade in value of your bike if you leave it another year and also the possibility of the new bike increasing in cost. I'm looking at trading in my 2017 1200 GSA against a 1250 GSA exclusive and I will have to find considerably more than you've mentioned in the video. Go for it, the larger fuel tank was the one thing that swayed me towards the bike.
Cheers Sam. Bear in mind BMW are offering £1,000 (technically) extra on the trade-in. Dealer gives £500, they give £500 up to end of September on all ‘R’ models. I say technically as you don’t really know trade in anyhow but I’m fairly happy with the deal 👍🏻
I may be biased having picked up a brand new R1250GS Adventure Exclusive TE two days ago, but you definitely should 😁
Slightly bias but that ok 👌😉
@@nickhodgeUK Apologies if I missed it and you mentioned it in your video, and the dealer has more than likely told you, but are you aware of the extra £1000 BMW are doing towards trade ins on new GS Adventures at the moment?
Ash Morgan yep that’s what makes it more tempting. My bike was £17500 two years ago and they’re giving me £13,100 for it (I was expecting about £12k)
@@nickhodgeUK Ah great stuff, I thought you would be aware, but didn't want you to miss out just in case! That offer is why I have just changed as well, having thought I was going go have to wait at least another year. I changed from Vstrom 1000 though, so didn't have the difficult decision you have to make! Also a thank you to you, having watched your videos, I have ordered myself the plug and play USB port, din socket relocation kit and MachineArt avant and mudsling over the weekend from Nippy Normans. Looking forward to getting those 👍🏻
Ash Morgan good news Ash. Enjoy and ride safe 👍🏻
I'm 6 foot with size 12 feet. Adventure is the only solution. But here's the thing. if you have an accident, and I have, an empty 30L tank is so much more protection than a 20L. Its the difference between walking away and being wheeled away in a different vehicle. True Story.
Hi Peter. It’s another perspective for sure. The GSA is all ‘out front’
You mention weather Between the larger screen, deflectors and the fact that my legs are BEHIND the tank and not flapping out in the wind as on the GS (your video), my R1250GSA will keep me almost completely dry in a very heavy Canadian downpour, as long as I keep going. Slow and stop and you're like anyone else - soaked in a minute. (So stop under something!!) Cheers.
Cheers Gregory. See my comments in your other replies. Thanks for input
Thanks Nick, great videos. I am 1.90 tall and found the riding position better on the GS as the bigger tank on the GSA pushed my legs further apart. Prefer the GS personally.
Both great bikes with pros and cons on both that sort of levels them back out again. That’s the conclusion after testing the new GS last week (see that video too). Ride safe 👍🏻
I have the Bmw panniers which are superb but I will say you can feel the drag factor from riding without. They will definitely raise the fuel consumption
I had a GS1200 and was really happy with it until I rode the GSA so I paid the change over $$, the main reason for the change was wind protection
Thanks Andrew. The differences are small but fairly important to me. Road presence is probably the biggest. Fellow riders already call me the ‘Christmas tree’ but then always want me head of the filtering line when traffic queues with my alternating lights/turn signals 😂 certainly the swap won’t get less money
About the range Nick, i have the 1200 GSA Rallye, i can get well over 400 miles if i dont thrash it, which on a tour, is so beneficial.
Yep a few have said that Michael. I’m pretty gentle and get generally up to 55mpg
Nick Hodge the readings I’m getting at the moment say 61mpg
That's the same bike as I fancy, but with the black wheels and the aluminium sanded weave tank. I have the added incentive that my 2018 GS Exclusive is the last of the 1200's. I suffer from tinnitus from years of riding bikes with no ear plugs, so wind noise is a major factor in bike choice for me. Do I dare book a test ride? Could be expensive! 😬
Do it... you know you want to 😂
Great video nick! I myself have a 1250 adventure Rallye te, by far the best bmw I’ve owned to date! At 6‘1“ I experience next to no buffeting with the screen in the highest position. Great bike!
Thanks for commenting Brian and Ride safe 👍🏻
Hello Nick. Excellent video very well presented. You have some thinking to do !!!. The GS TE is an excellent bike I had the 1200 version. It did everything I wanted it to even passed my ROSPA test on it.
All good until I test-rode a GSA 1200, that was before the 1250 was launched. The bike rode a little better than my GS, the weight was no issue, it handled I found easier very nimble for its weight. Wind protection much better, I find the wind hits the top of my shoulders, and goes just over my head, no helmet buffering. Comfort very good, performance excellent 55 to the gallon.
I bought one and love it, I am not saying it’s ‘way better’ the the GS TE but for me the GSA is better for my needs. The bike came with the BMW hard cases attached ‘result’ there, but my old GS I bought GiVI Dolomite Trekker cases in black and they are much better than the BMW stuff.
If you choose to have the GSA you will not regret it, it’s a step up and does have more road presence, all around a brilliant bike. Down to you now mate, hope my comments help. Good stuff.
Thanks Johnny. That does help. It’s all the same reasons I have... and it’s a new bike of course 😂 I was surprised how quickly it felt ‘just like mine’ handling and size wise. Like 10 miles!!! Ride safe and look forward to the 1250.
Absolutely adore my R1250GS Exclusive TE. Honestly, if the GSA came in the all black getup I’d gave it in a heartbeat! That being said, I do love the Kalamata paint job on the GSA. Now you’ve got me thinking...........
Nothing wrong with provoking thought 💭👍🏻
Nick Hodge it is when it’s going to cost me 5 grand 😂
@@nickhodgeUK Well, Nick - It seems as though BMW answered my prayers and released the triple black again. I pick my GSA Triple Black up on Monday 😂
@@doabarbell5748 fantastic. It was only a matter of time as I think the GS in that is the best seller. Enjoy! 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK hope to see you around as I’m a Southampton boy myself!
Good video in your usual informative articulate style Nick. For me it’s all about road presence and I speak with the not nice experience of a car pulling out in front of me ending up with me flying across his bonnet! “ I didn’t see you” I was lucky, only a broken bone in my foot! ! So don’t fit the alarm system to your house after the break in! Go for the GSA, I’m a high vis Helite Airvest man too but then I am a bit hyper after my low level flying experience! Like the RT too but found the foot pegs a bit high for me compared to my GSA. Looking forward to seeing your decision video, I too like the exclusive paint scheme, that’s the one I’d go for.
PS the accident was on a BSA Bantam! Cheers
Thanks for the comment. The RT is a fine machine often overlooked but it’s lower being a tourer and I love my high ‘perch’. Maybe my next money pit will be the K1600??
It depends on the cost to change, however I think we all know what you really want to do!.................Do it Nick!
You've talk me into a test ride with my local dealer............won't tell the Missus yet thought!
I’ll keep your secret 😂
@@nickhodgeUK Thanks Nick.......Mum's the word!
The adventure is awesome on and off road. Negative is the seat height.
I’m only just off flat feet both sides (like just a tad) although it is without doubt and inch or so taller???
All I did on my 1250Gs was fit the same screen as on the GSA. The downside to all these big screens winglets and so on is on a hot day boy you wish they weren’t there.
The bike chucks out a lot of heat as it is. The reason I didn’t get the GSA was it is taller on the new bike compared to the GS ( suspension travel I believe is more )and for 90% of the time you spend riding you look as if your off on a world tour when your not which is daft. 300 miles with no break not for me even before 200 miles I would have stopped for a coffee or whatever. I have ridden through torrential rain on less protected bikes and it’s not the protection that has got to me it’s just tiring.
Yep without question there’s two sides to protection. Hot and cold 👍🏻
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Sounds like you need to sell the bike and drive a car with windows, heat and a/c. My goodness the complaints. Just a genuine comment.
Hi Nick, what kind of configuration for GoPRO you are running on your helmet. I really like the view....
There is a video on that on the channel 👍🏻
Only just found your channel. Great videos, well produced and informative. Keep up the great work 👍
Thanks Lee and welcome along 👍🏻
So wish the SOS button was an option here in the States. I have a fully loaded R1250GSA and love it.
It’s a feature you hope you. Ever have to use but I’ve seen reports where people were grateful of it particularly when riding alone. I wonder in the vastness of North America though if cell signal has enough coverage for it to be worthwhile and strong enough a feature to sell without fear of litigation?? £330 option here
Is it worth the extra money?.. only you can tell! i personally would keep the GS and fit the adventure screen to it if that's a plus for you. I found the standard GS screen directed all the wind to my crash helmet, it didn't matter which position it was set at, making for a very noisy ride. i fitted a sports screen that looks really good, it sits just above the satnav and it is much quieter and you get clean air on you which i prefer. the larger tank on the adventure could occasionally be a plus but I'm not sure if it's worth extra just for that. It has more presence though but I'm not sure if other traffic would notice it more than a standard GS with the extra lights on like you have
Those are all my quandary too. I keep saying to myself though I am getting a new bike with no miles not just a screen 😂😂 one minute I convince myself. Next I’m talking myself out of it. Both bikes are soooo good but similar for sure
Ha ha man maths at it's best 😉. I'm on my 3rd GS TE now and it's big enough for me but I'm only 5'7". A mate who's had both recons the GSA is a little more planted but the GS is a bit more nimble because of it's slightly lighter weight and the alloy wheels being lighter so it turns a bit quicker? If you do change you'll find the spoked wheels a PITA to keep clean if that's a concern and I'd recommend you get the tank coated in the protective plastic film from Nippy's as the matt paint Mark's ever so easily. No doubt you'll let us know which way you go with this and I look forward to hearing what it is. Cheers Ade
Thanks Ade. It’s a dilemma but you know the decision will appear here 👍🏻
If you don’t need the tank capacity I wouldn’t bother just changed from the adv to “normal” Gs
Thanks for the comment Christopher. A few have ‘gone back’ 👍🏻
You'd already made up your mind on the road down to the test to get the GSA. But saving a years road tax and a few more miles range in the tank seem pretty poor reasons to swap a bike with hardly any miles on it and spend £5k plus luggage just for the fun of it. Buy a GSA screen and a set of lights and you've got all the wind protection and "precense"you'll ever need.
I had but not sure now. It’s tough to justify although it’s always going to be the case with any depreciating asset I guess? I’ve also not too many 3 year ‘cycles’ left in my motorcycling (or general) life so may have to shorten them 😂👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK If cash isn't the issue do it.....I px'ed a Triumph Speed Triple RS (19 plate and I was the first owner) with under 1K miles for a GS1250 TE Exclusive in Black with black spoke wheels which had 5300 miles 1 owner on a 19 plate (Bought in November 19)
I'd never rode a GS or any BMW bikes until I went to Spain in Oct 19 where I rode a 1200GS including off road and out of the whole group of 7 guys I was the only one who didn't own a GS or a BMW.........until I came back to England.
Was always a sportsbike / super naked buyer and my brother and his mates couldn't believe it when I rolled up on a "BMW GS"
They weren't laughing after a day's tour ride in the saddle especially when I was keeping up and passing some on the twisties with NO back , shoulder or knee pains!!!!
What a bike though, I love it, the do it all bike for an old boy pushing the wrong side 56!!
PS. The dealer was doing a £500 cash back/money off at the time.
Iain Ian I know so many similar stories where people don’t like them. Don’t want to like them, ride one, buy it 😂 (My mates Sean is just that)
@@nickhodgeUK An amazing bike!
Hi. I ordered tje sw motech paniers. The Adventage i think is if i don‘t Need them i also can uninstall the Paniers Frame with some simple clicks and i have a cleaner Look on my 1250 GS Adventure. Maybe it is worth a look. Greetz
Thanks for the comment. I’ll take a look
Very useful video Nick. I'm thinking of doing the same thing as it has the bigger road presence in all areas.
Cheers Mark. The choice is weird. A great bike for a great new bike. I genuinely am torn
Not if you choose the camofladge colour! Ha ha!
The GSA exclusive in that military green colour is lovely, if you want it just get it, otherwise you'll spend more money on your existing bike and just end up buying this one anyhow, life's too short just enjoy it!
So difficult. Deep down I’m very happy with the ‘deal’. I just live my GS and not sure there’s enough but hey. Life is short. If we bought motorcycles with our head we’d all be in Puch Maxis 😂
@@nickhodgeUK it's just £50 a week over 2 years pretty cheap hobby, a visit to the hairdresser for the wives would cost more..😉
allenfazer thats true although if you seen any of my videos it’s been a long while since I’ve needed a hairdresser and it was 75p then I think? 😂
@@nickhodgeUK exactly, that's my excuse anyhow for just buying a regular GS exclusive! When the wife asked I told her I'm using my barber fund that has been redundant the last 15 years 😂
Hi nick I have the 1200 gs adventure rally it’s last of the 18yr fully loaded and I love it some people mention that it’s a massive bike but they are all big at the end of the day and as you say give good presence on the rd . Screen on mine standard and is perfect re size of the bike after being on it a short time the size isn’t an issue 👍 , Steven
Cheers Steven. My dilemma is that I love my GS and somehow for that money difference I wanted some 'wow' difference but deep down knew I wouldn't as all the GS 1200/1250's are superb. It's whether my head will rule........
Totally get it nick , I must admit not worrying about fuel and the wind protection along with road presence is a great thing to have as for fuel when I’m just local I never fill my tank no need I fill it about 3/4 Then on tours I fill it . I thought about going the other way from you I looked at a 1250 hp rallye last wk but I don’t think I can part with the GSA TBH 😉👍
Just do it Nick, you know it will happen.. New colours will be out soon as well..
Saw new colours coming. Like the ‘M’ treatment on the XR? That’s a seriously good bike for people who want to ‘play a tune’ on a bike still. Think they’re all moving to Euro 5 too shortly. Not sure that’ll be huge. Probably tweets to fuelling and exhaust. As with computers though, if you wait because..... I find you’ll wait for ever. I’m 61 next week!!!! 😂
@@nickhodgeUK yea i know mate, my GSA is 2 and a half now and done 16.5k. so just waiting at the mo to see what comes out soon for the 2021 year. Love mine tho but better things come lol
Hi Nick, was watching your vid here, as was wondering, do you feel the Go pro on the side oof your helm? I have the same lid, and am working out how to fit mine.
Hi Paul. Often get asked that in comments and no. Don’t notice it. I wish stuff were smaller of course but with modular helmet it can’t go on the chin bar that would probably be best 👍🏻
I'm a couple of years away from buying a GS/GSA, but based on this, I'd go with the GSA. I have pretty bad tinnitus, and wind noise aggravates it, so staying out of the wind is a big deal for me. Honestly, if it wasn't, I'd probably go for the Tiger 900, but that skinny windscreen ain't gonna do it. I'm 6'1", btw, or 186 cm. Curious how tall you are?
Thanks Roger. I’m just the same height. Well was in my prime. May have shrunk a little in these later years 😂👍🏻
Having owned both, the size of the GSA makes it a more visible to the other Motorists. I always ride with all three lights on, so it is intimidating to the others on the Road. If the money is not an issue, go for it! You will get your Money back in resale value later on. Here in the US, GSA has a better resale value than the GS. Besides, it is always amazing how kids and other bikers look at the GSA. Like, how the hell do you ride that thing? Everyone loves it :)
Another vote ‘for’. Cheers, ride safe 👍🏻
hi nick great video
could you tell me please do the givi panniers fit on the gsa's standard pannier rack/bars or do you have to also buy a givi specific rack ?
i was going to go for the bmw ones but after seeing video the givi one's look great
Hi Andy. The Givi DO require a specific rack to fit. I went for the Bumot Evo ones (separate video) and those DO NOT require any special equipment. They are slightly heavier made of 2mm aluminium v 1.5mm on Givi or BMW (Touratech) but in my opinion they are very good 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK thanks nick yes i just found your other video with the bumot panniers they look great i think i will go for these now also
Hi Nick, Powerbronze make an excellent taller screen for the 1200/1250 gs its the same shape as standard but taller.
Thanks for the pointer 👍🏻
Had a gs then a gsa now back to gs. I find the gs more nimble , I can’t ride a bike for more than 200 miles so the bigger gsa tank is of no use to me especially as I ride with others with much smaller tanks.. miss the spots but no big deal..
Yep. I think that sometimes I’ll miss the ‘smaller’ nature of the GS. I think I’m at a 200 mile limit but not having to fill up every time everyone else does is for me a benefit. They moan like hell when I’m ‘faffing’ with all my camera batteries and stuff but are first to shout ‘when’s the Scotland video coming’! It gives me stress-free ‘faff’ time too 😂 ride safe
It sounds like you really want to move to the GSA. I currently ride an RT and if I was looking at a GS, it would be a GSA. (In truth though I'd first look at a K1600 GTL)
That’s so interesting cliff. I was thinking of that. I think it’s in my 1st year service video I test ride one. Without doubt it’s a bike I like and will probably get similar eventually. It’s just both in Scotland and Cornwall there were quite a few occasions I was glad to have the GS. Particularly Scotland. Having said that I sometimes plan far to much of a ‘ride’ avoiding main roads and that can end up in tracks!! I could just ride somewhere and enjoy the view 😂😂
a big (literally) decision, does it have to be a new bike? nearly new GSA maybe an option, i'm on my 3rd GS i use it as a commuter, weekend ride and tour, it does everything very well. I do however get better fuel economy, touring (we go quite slow) Northern Spain i can get 70+ mpg
Wow. 70+ that’s amazing. I get a best of about 55 on mine currently. Ride safe
Hi Nick, got the high chassis R1250 GSA, Exclusive in Kalamata last September, awesome. My mate Gareth got a low chassis same as mine just after ‘unlock’. It has onboard tracker and he also got gold wheels. BMW will not warranty the bike with alloy wheels, ask me how I know?…. Joe
Ha ha. How do you know joe?
Nick Hodge I was so tired of cleaning the spokes on my R1150 GSA. The dealership asked BMW Germany about my R1250 GSA request to swap spokes for alloys, their reply was that the alloy wheel was not designed for the weight and function of the GSA. There is some evidence that on some models the alloy wheels were warping and in some cases collapsing. This evidence is factual and not antidotal. BTW, my mate Gareth also got the gold wheels, I told him he’s a ‘big tart’🤪😂🤣😂🤣😂👍😎
@@RGSABloke My mate has the BMW R1250GS Exclusive with gold bits all over. I always said mine was 'more subdued' where his was just 'bling'. Now look at me? I think the tank colour is subdued though? ;)
Hey Nick, thank your nice video review. I think you can still fit the adventure windscreen on a standard GS, and I have seen wind deflectors from Wunderlich at Nippy Normans that should fit the standard GS again. I am quite happy with my standard one as I don’t think I would need the extras that the Adv offers over the standard model
Yep you can fit the screen for sure. I’m sat here in garden still undecided. I was looking to change at 3 years but part-ex until September comes with £1,000 from BMW. Tough decision
The £1000 discount is a good incentive for sure... but I would be still undecided on what to do as the bikes are very similar. The good thing is that you could still fit all of the things you mentioned, including the Givi luggage, in the current bike. By the way, these are the wind deflectors I mentioned earlier: www.nippynormans.com/r1200gs-lc-mark-45-2013-on-2017-on/wunderlich-wind-deflectors-clear-r1200gs-lc-2017-on-r1250gs. Tough decision indeed, but whatever you’ll decide it will make you happy(ier) and that’s why we ride :)
surely your tank range is only as useful as the smallest bike you have with you.. although you wont have to fill up when others do, you will still have to stop with them... unless you're doing a solo trip of course.. my tank range is 300miles, my wife's is 150ish, so I end up just filling up at the same time as her anyway as its just easier... so my extra tank range means nothing unless I am on my own. which for a trip is not very often.
Yep for sure. I made that point but also, as example, I can use the time to change GoPro batteries as I have to post these 😂
Hello, like the video. Go for R1250GSA. I have 2019 mod exclusiv that i like a lot
Thanks Arve
Having watched the video, it seems to me your thinking of buying a £5k windscreen. If you bought a std GS Exclusive with gold wheels, you have the luggage, lights, crash bars already. The extra 10 litres will be less efficient than 20l and if you'd have ridden the last 9000 miles on a GSA you would have saved 45 minutes of forecourt time!! Re presence, how many motorists are really gonna notice you that much more. Watching your videos, you're no fool, don't do it, swap? Yer why not, your heads is heading that way, but just go buy a after market screen for a normal GS and swap the extras over. Be interested to know how much difference the small wonder deflectors make.
27.02 mins, show an ill fitting jacket flapping around. Yer maybe less so on the GSA, but no the less. I took a Tiger 1200 out and the wind protection was too good, it felt like a car with the windows up! Spoilt the ride. Good vids by the way 👍
Cheers Andy. I’m surprised the jacket is Ill-fitting the weight I’ve put on during lockdown 😂👍🏻
Going for 1250 GSA Pro HP Style version with Gold Wheels tomorrow in India. So should you eyes closed...
I count that as a yes vote Dhiraj. Ride safe. 👍🏻
G'Day Nick, great video and review thanks. I'm looking at getting back in the saddle and buying a new GSA if we ever get past this covid mess here in Melbourne. Cheers, Nick S
I went to a BMW dealer in Melbourne soon after I bought my GS in November 2018. In fact Australia was still awaiting its launch. It had a BMW museum upstairs and we had a great chat with the guy who owned them. Can’t remember the district but have pictures on my phone. Vic certainly is going through it again. Stay safe 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK I'd be very interested to know where that is, although its probably closed at the moment.
DNS1 just looked at the Geotag on the photos and it’s Doncaster BMW
@@nickhodgeUK awesome, not too far away from me and where I was thinking I would book a test ride. Really appreciate the heads up and the great videos. I'm coming back to biking after around 10 years break and looking at doing some vlogging, so found your helmet video really useful. Thanks again, Nick S
DNS1 no worries and ride safe when you do 👍🏻
It's brilliant I have the adventure hp te the only nit pick I have is that my right leg gets a bit warm in hot weather i don't know if you have the same thing on the gs.
Alfonso Taddeo I ride ‘hot’ anyhow Alfonso. Anything over 17 degrees as it this video and it’s mesh gear for me. Can’t say right leg especially though
See you on the GSA in the next vid. No doubt about it all the way through your vid your convincing yourself.
You may be right. I genuinely am torn though
Enjoyed the video Nick. Go for it, you only live once.
Thanks Ed. An unqualified Yes vote 👍🏻
Hi Nick, just out of interest is that a gopro 8? cheers
The one facing me is yes. It’s a 7 on my helmet
I looked at the 1250 HP and HPA, settled on the HP as to me the A just looks to fat
Nice video Nick! Thank you for sharing!
Try the 1250RT 😄😄 I love mine! Is there wind? What wind? Ah that thing when you move the windscreen down? 😂😄😂
That’s not such a silly suggestion. We all have adventure bikes we tour with and the tourer gets forgotten
Hi Nick
Congrats on your upgrade choice. I've had my R1250 GSA TE since spring 2019 and its a super machine. However, I've had a major issue with the front calipers leaking brake fluid. Leaking whilst standing over a period of time when I noticed drips on the wheel and garage floor. It took a good 3 months to get them replaced and I've not had any problems since. BMW UK at the time were 'super' reluctant to admit any fault with the product and the dealer seemed to be in the dark as well. Initially they could not even provide a lead time on replacement parts which I interpreted as being ". . . get in the queue . . ." I cannot find any recall info in the UK BUT there is a recall in the USA as per following link (www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/BMW/R%2525201250%252520GS).
Good luck on your new purchase.
Cheers. BMW are always reluctant to admit any issue. My favourite is the oil light on the first screen of the TFT. Most of the time it’s just greyed out. Very, very occasionally green. I asked at service and they gave me the bulletin. Could make much out of it apart from basically the moon needed to be blue, you needed to have your underwear on backwards and odd socks on. Noticed in the latest TFT software update..... they removed it from that screen 😂😂 just a gap where it used to be. Ride safe 👍🏻
Adventure all the way!
Straight to the point 👍🏻
Well Nick have you ordered the new one?
See the latest video.....
I have done it already. I regret. Too tall, too top heavy. If your are not tall and strong, absolutely get the « low chassis » option. I miss the nimbleness and feeling of the GS.
Oh that’s a curve ball. I think you’re the first that regrets it. Most who have so far are liking it. How tall are you?
Nick Hodge 1.78m
The Big Jacobski thanks. I’m 1.85 which helps a little
Decisions, decisions 😩😩 You could ask your 2.61K subscribers to vote on whether you should or not!
Not sure we’d be better off. Running 50/50 it seems at minute in comments
Great Video.
Thank you