Compare the 2020 BMW R1250RT with my BMW R1250GS Adventure (Ride and Review)
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It's a scandal!!! I hoped to bring you a review and comparison of my GS Adventure with an RT I borrowed while mine was looked at for connectivity issues. I rode it, reviewed it and on the day I edited it (a week or so after), BMW brought out a new RT!!!
Much of what I waffled about still holds though and I added a first look at the new on for a minute or so at the end.
Hope you enjoy it
Ride safe
Nick
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Thank you
Nick
Accessories on (or used for) My R1250GS
Motorcycle Dryer
Bruhl MD1400 1400W Motorcycle Dryer - amzn.to/33NGA79
Horn
Denali Soundbomb Horn - amzn.to/2qUA4Ni
Battery Charger (Dual Standard Connect and Canbus - Fits Din Socket to charge)
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Din/USB Twin Outlet Adapter
Optimate Dual USB Charger - 3300mA DIN Plug - amzn.to/2CJEl99
Tank Bag
Givi ST602 Sport Tanklock Bag - amzn.to/2CGK13G
Tanklock Ring for above (R1200/1250GS) - amzn.to/2QmYXvR
Protection
ACF50 Rust Protector (with buddy bottle, aerosols are poor) - amzn.to/2NKL5tJ
Clothing I wear
Crash Helmet
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Waterproof Jacket (Over Rukka Textile)
Tucano Urbano Nano Rain Jackket - amzn.to/2NNCnLe
Waterproof Trousers (Over Rukka Textile)
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Main Helmet Camera
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Mirror Mounted (rear-facing) Camera
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Fixed Front and Rear Cameras (supplementary footage)
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Case for mounting GoPro and Mic Adapter
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BOTH MICS below have leads for Mobile Phone (to use GoPro Adapter with these you need a TRS to TRRS Adapter)
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Helmet Microphone (needs GoPro Adapter) and Tie-pin mic Indoors
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Just about to get a GS adventure and started to think about the RT so this video is really useful! Thanks Nick!
Hi Ricci. Get and ride a few at the dealers. The RT is a very good touring bike 👍🏻
Another great video Nick, thanks for sharing.
Thanks Nick 👍🏻
thanks buddy. that was an amazing and very detailed review. good job!
Thanks Eugen 👍🏻
Great review, most detailed one i found.
Thanks a lot 👍🏻
Superb review Nick, the jury is out as to what touring bike I buy, you have made my mind up!! Thank you.
Hi Paul. Get over the dealers and try a few. The RT is very good and fully updated for 2021 too. Think you’ll like it 👍🏻
Good review, and the larger RT windscreen also works even better, basically enclosing you inside a nice protected little 'cocoon' while riding. Kick in the heated seat and grips, and it's remarkably comfy, even in very 'brisk' weather.
Thanks Kathryn. It felt that way although it had the sports screen 👍🏻
Excellent. Enjoyed the comparison.
Thanks Brad 👍🏻
Currently ride an 08 GS Nick and it literally took me years to get that " Boxer feeling" . Now I love them. If I was ever able to stretch the pension it would be an RT for me.
That’ll be a classic now I reckon? 👍🏻
New bike looks beautiful with improved functionality 👍🏻🏍
It does. They almost scuppered the making of my video but fortunately I was able to include the changes. Most of the rest still holds 👍🏻
Hi Nick Another Great and very informative video, clear talking great information as always. Keep up the Great videos. I look forward to the next one.👍👍
Thanks David. Hopefully more coming 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK Nick ive got a Kawasaki z1000 Sx Tourer. I really like the RT, but im only 5ft 8ins, and its a Big Bike, bit worried I couldn't move it around when stationary parking moving around etc, what's your thoughts..??
@@davidbirchall5124 well David it says the new RT is lighter than yours (226kg v 235kg). Of course it’s where hand holds are when pushing the bike around and riding position when in it so get a try one. Dealers are very happy to oblige. With low seat options and such and the low down weight of the boxer, I think you’d be surprised? 👍🏻
Interesting comparison, Nick. For me, the GS riding position is the deciding factor. And it makes the decision easy.
Think for me too Richard 👍🏻
I thought the same. And then ended up with the RT after 350 miles on high speed highways.
Great review . Well done . Thank you.
My pleasure Nik. Thanks for watching 👍🏻
Good video Nick, well worth watching 👍
I thought my experiences might be of some interest to prospective owners.
I’ve owned 3 x 1200 GSs (not GSAs), the most recent being a 2013 water cooled version. I loved them all, each one was markedly better than its predecessor. Sadly 45 years of riding and a physical job have all taken their toll and my wrists, ears and backside let me know about it!
My local BMW dealer let me have an RT demonstrator for 3 days. That absolutely sold the RT for me.
By comparison to the GS four things stood out on the RT. I found that the handlebar shape is really wrist friendly, the wind noise is noticeably less (and the quiet screen position is easily found), the saddle is way more comfortable and the stretch to the ground is much easier for my short-arse body! In addition the heated seat is WONDERFUL, the luggage is superb (but not as clever as the Vario system) and the dynamics are amazingly good for something that looks like a barge but definitely isn’t. I’m now on my second RT and my latest 1250 has the fully auto suspension system and that works really well. At 11 stone I have found pretty much every bike I’ve owned to be too stiffly sprung for my comfort. This RT though feels almost like a Cadillac, it glides along with minimal shocks getting through to hands or bum and yet when you turn the wick up the suspension cranks up too and everything remains remarkably under control.
Whilst my “young” head would still love another GS my “slightly older” body is not at all unhappy with an RT. I would recommend anyone to give an RT a good test ride before rejecting the notion of owning one.
Thanks for that Derek. I agree. The fashion/draw of a GS tends to unfairly leave the RT in its shadow. We’ll agree to disagree on the seat but agree totally on the rest. Ride safe 👍🏻
Not too sure how to put a new 'message' on here. Interestingly I ordered an LED option headlight - guess what my R1250RT turned up with halogen lamps!!! (that was in October 2020). The dealer said he had never seen one with an LED headlight but the option was on his screen in the show room as having been selected for my bike. Really annoyed about that and then, yes, guess what, BMW bring out a 1250 RT with a new LED headlight assembly!!!!! Getting Cyclops LED replacements.
It’s always a pleasure to watch your blogs had a 1200 2012 loved it 110 percent practical but boring.would have another if doing loads of miles I had a low seat as I am 5,8 thanks for sharing.
Thanks Stephen. 👍🏻
Great video as usual Nick. I am torn between the new 40th anniversary R1250 GSA, and the new 2021 RT. Both spectacular bikes for touring. Bloody hell, life's choices shouldn't have to be so tough!! Cannot afford another divorce, so I can only have one. (For now). Love the look and function of the TFT on the new RT. Thanks again Nick, ride safe mate.
It is a dilemma mate. If you’re only chewing miles and have a fair amount of that on motorway that ACC is wonderful. It’s the first option I’d tick if I changed my car. It’s maybe too relaxing. The TFT is lovely and thing they should have done that on this release of the GS
Very good review! Very interesting 👍
Thank you Billy 👍🏻
Had the 1200 RT SE and I prefer my GSA 12000. RT is for very long journeys and not for my lane riding. It's all about what you want to use it for. It's brilliant bike and beautifully made.
Thanks Alan. I think we concur. I’m an on road rider but on a weeks tour there always seems a few 5 mile stretches I’m glad I can stand up and let the bike drift a little. There’s much to be said for the RT though 👍🏻
Well done review of the RT.
Thanks a lot for viewing it 👍🏻
Good job mate , looking at getting an RT in the near future. Just the bike for the big open Australian roads.
Hi Graham. Thanks for watching. The 2021 bike is even better in my opinion 👍🏻
Great video. Very informative. 👍
Glad you liked it 👍🏻
I have both an RT and GS. RT is more cramped but LOVE the powered screen
It’s certainly a very good motorcycle 👍🏻
Thanks for the review. I have a 2010 R1200RTP and a Triumph Tiger Explorer 1200. While the RT is a wonderful bike, with great weather protection...I still prefer the ergonomics of the Explorer (GSstyle) because the knee angle is much closer to the 90 degree ideal and your back is more upright too, making for comfortable riding. The adventure bikes also allow you to stand up and stretch more easily. To be fair, the adventure bikes only come close to an RT when fitted with handguards and a touring windscreen. With those two provisos met, the adventure bikes are more comfy in my opinion, even doing road touring. Also, the adventure bikes have longer suspension travel...a big plus on bumpy roads.
Hi Lorne. Don’t think I can disagree with any of that. Rarely am I anywhere near off-road but I remember one day in Scotland I was glad not to have a sports bike or tourer. Not that it was easy on the GS but standing and letting the bike manoeuvre beneath me was preferable 👍🏻
I have a 1200 le. I bought it a week before-the announcement of the 1250. I knew some thing was a foot as it had every extra and all the packs loaded on it and at £16000 it was a steal. Really like the bike goes well has plenty of get up and go plus it has all the extras Hill start assist, pro assist gear shift cornering abs.
It’s certainly an accomplished tourer Mark 👍🏻
Nice video review. Have never ridden one but would like to take one out for a demo one of these days. The electronic luggage locks is a nice feature, as is the power wind screen. Still can't understand why a bike in these days of bluetooth helmet connectivity/comms , would have external speakers.
It is VERY good on highway (K1600 I tried) as you’re in a calm bubble, but you need to turn it down in town. I think the new one does away with the speakers???? (The publicity pictures show the radio in the TFT with the rider helmet volume setting (see far end of video in case you stopped after I said goodbye?) 👍🏻
Hi Nick, nice video, I had an R1100RT years ago a 1999 model and even that had an electric screen, I now have your old bike (not literally!) r1250gs and I agree that an electric screen would be a nice addition. A mate has a 1200 tiger which has it, come on BMW.
I often wonder who has Bertha (they’d better look after her). It’s definitely an option I’d take. 👍🏻
Nice video as always. A+ on your proper use of adverbs! :-). Even educated people in the U.S. seem to get them wrong a lot. I've noticed bikers don't seem to acknowledge one another when they ride by. Is that the norm where you live? In Michigan, you can ride almost anything with a motor in it and get a slight wave.
Hi Mark. Thanks for the comment. I’ve done OK in life through an ability to waffle I think, so glad I use adverbs correctly, it’s not intentional 🤣. We do actually acknowledge but it seldom a wave. This is because we ride on the left and waving would be with the right (throttle) hand and the bike would roll off. Generally it’s a slope of the head or sometimes a hanging leg. When filming I tend. It to as it’s distracting for the viewer to tip my head right with the camera on the helmet but it IS a thing here (so have a reticence to acknowledge GS riders, I know not why, but that can be a thing) ride safe 👍🏻
Hi Nick. FYI, the 1250 RT in Canada now has a large TFT.. looks great.
BTW, I bought the Denali light package from Steve yesterday. It is $300 CAD cheaper, including shipping, than buying the same package in Canada from a Toronto distributor. I suggested to Steve that he should promote his products more aggressively in North America.
Glad Steve got some business. There is a couple of minutes after I say goodbye at the end of this video on the 2021 model. It was spooky. The configurator was changing as I was editing the footage !! 👍🏻
I just discovered how to get rid of the annoying lurch when downshifting using the blipper...you just have to close the throttle completely before downshifting, and it's much smoother. Took me over a year to learn that technique. Give it a try and see if that works for you, Nick. Good video, btw.
I reckon that’s it James TBH. I’ve probably got a little throttle left. I’ve also been a manual blipper since riding as a kid. The riding position may have helped but it really worked well 👍🏻
They told you that when they first came out , or should have .
it's in the manual :) really
@@zoranv12 you read the manual 😱
@@nickhodgeUK I read it even before I got the bike! But I only read cars and motorbikes manuals. Have problems with electrical devices, I know it all and then ...
One must ALWAYS take care and be responsible while winding ones knob in traffic!
🤣🤣 Simon. I am sooooo childish sometimes I can’t help myself 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK that childishness might be a not insignificant part of why so many of us, supposedly adult, boys can't help but giggle with glee when we twist that trottle. Some things you just never get too old for!
Done the sports bikes, off roaders, touring bikes over the last 40 years, my last bikes were a VFR800 and a Blackbird, never owned a BMW. I am retired now and want comfort above fun hope the BMW 1250 RT SE gives me what I want, comments welcome please.
Hi Paul from South Africa 🇿🇦. I just picked up my R1250rt a few weeks ago. I also have come from a background of my sport oriented bikes. You will not regret it....I have not ridden so much, in a long time.
This is lovely bike,I believe that at least 60% of GS and GSA riders should go for an RT because they dont go off road,they are buying it just because it looks good,let's be honest.
I personally cant get these bmw options for this amount of money,that's ridiculous!
Very nice video from you sir,very informative very professional!Good sound,good footage!
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Thanks Alex. I agree in the main as I am one that doesn’t use the GS for all its purpose. The RT, particularly the new one, is a serious contender for me. I just wasn’t sure how low everything felt in comparison to the GS. I feel big and tall on it but slightly low and insignificant on the RT but that is the style of tourers. The K1600 I rode felt the same and that’s a ‘big’ motorcycle in all senses of the word except road presence. 👍🏻
Besides the sublime ride of a GS/GSA on the super slab, the Looks are everything. When you walk away you want to look back and like what you see.
@@roadglide you’re not wrong although many don’t find adventure bikes attractive (I do 👍🏻)
I’ve got an (2008) RT and love it, but have been contemplating changing to a GS (or perhaps a completely different mid-large ADV tourer) for a while. You’ve raised a couple points that I hadn’t thought of/seen before, so it’s been very helpful. Thanks for that, good job 🍻
No worries Scott. Good luck with your choices 👍🏻
The gearing in the final drive is different between RT and GS ;)
here are the final drive ratios : GS: 2.91 (32:11); RT: Optional 2.82 (31:11) or Standard-2.75 (33:12); RS: 2.82 (31:11)
Thanks for that Eggert. Could be the reason for sure 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK No problem, keep up the good work :)
Top vid . I am looking to chop in my current Beamer and was considering a GS but then this popped up. Food for thought. Clearly you love the BMW brand and GS specially but did you ever consider the KTM 1290 Super Duke GT for example before before buying the GS.
Honestly Kevin no. I never thought of motorcycles seriously again until I sat on a 1200GS at the Goodwood Festival of Speed and it immediately felt good. That was still maybe 2 years before I bought one. I’ve looked at the KTM and followed a guy who is passionate about them having ridden around the world on one and they are definitely a good motorcycle and probably more ‘hooligan’ than the GS. I guess it’s just what you like? 👍🏻
Nick it's a brilliant video. Please let me know if you are an advance rider or not. 👍
Hi Alan. No I’m not and only 2 years back after 30+ years away. I had a good grounding working on motorcycles for 8 years from 16 and also had a pretty serious accident at 18 so I know consequences and dangers I suppose. You can never train enough so I should do something for sure
Another great video Nick. When do you think they will bring the new 10” TFT to the GS.
Tough to know Andrew. If you work in a five year rotation then 2023 but wouldn’t surprise me if they drive to fit it in ASAP but it’s 4 inches wider and not sure about room although they will want to do away with the secondary Nav connection now the connected app is mature
@@nickhodgeUK let’s hope they get the connectivity issues sorted when it does appear. Hope you get your niggles sorted out too. I have had 3 RT’s, fantastic bike but I like you am over 6ft and the extra room of the GS makes all the difference
Hi Nick, excellent review. I had my GSA in for a service yesterday and took out the 1250RT for a 3 hour demo. My first impression was how small it felt but as you said I could plant my feet down flat on both sides (I’m 5’ 11”) I’ll) which is always good. My leg position however on the pegs felt really cramped compared to what I’m used to on the GSA, this took a few miles to get used to and I ended up with pain in my upper thighs with having to lift my legs higher. On reflection I should have tried to raise the seat which my have helped. I liked the view of the dashboard with the analog clocks, very tidy. I too agree that the heated seat option is not important to me because as you again said even on the coldest days I’ve never suffered from a cold backside. The steering was different, it seemed to fall into the bends nicely and slow manoeuvres were maybe slightly easier than my GSA. Anyway the strange thing is that after about 2 hours I started to gel with the RT and engaged with her and ended up really liking the machine. I’d like to ask your subscribers if anyone has fitted the footrest lowering kit to the RT and how they found it etc.
Cheers Charlie
PS just seen the new RT, very nice, should be some excellent used RT’s available soon!
Seems like a very similar GS/RT experience to mine? I felt insignificant and small and the legs just felt weird swept back and high. Hopefully you’ll get some replies to peg lowering. Maybe also there’s some reviews on say Nippy Normans site if Wunderlich or someone do them? Ride safe
I and others agree the stock foot pegs feel a tad too high. I'm 6'0" and finally pulled the trigger on ordering lowered pegs from a US company called Ilium Works - they call them sport-boards, but their are plenty of other companies that offer lowered foot pegs. - I'll have them installed by next week after they arrive. - Cheers!
@@craigfavorito9050 let us know how you find them Craig 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK Will do - forgot to mention I've spent a year now with my '19 R1250RT & feel that it's the most sorted-out distance touring rig you can buy for the money. You can spend a lot more, but the RT delivers for the price. I've owned just about all the the sport-touring motorcycles you can name - but BMW does build a very thought-out machine. I'm just now getting around to adding farkles - - This outfit has lots for BMW's : www.iliumworks.com/index.cfm
@@craigfavorito9050 thanks for that Craig. And good luck with the pegs 👍🏻
New sub here. Love the vid, very informative and succinct commentary. Cheers👍🏻🏍
Thanks Mike and welcome along. ‘Succinct commentary’ AKA ‘waffle’ 😂😂👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK no, it’s good stuff. I’m not in the least techy but went through to the end. Trouble with all the trick stuff on bikes now, there always seems to be a glitch that isn’t quite fixed before launch or is not apparent.
Love all the farkle stuff btw. Very nicely executed. BMW additions can be a nightmare can’t they?👍👍🏍
@@mikestewart7322 thanks Mike. Good to have you along 👍🏻
@@mikestewart7322 they can be flaky. Have a mate with a mew Rocket 3 but while the clocks (LED) are beautiful, they appear to be random number generators so we all suffer it. Most of my additions have be plug and play but they’re sometimes tough to do to my high standards 😂😂👍🏻
You’ve made me curious about the tuning, typically the ADV bikes are tuned more for torque at a loss of a little horsepower, let’s see if we can find out more. Thanks for the great video, I have a new goal and new screen saver!
Come back when you’ve done your homework Steve 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK according to website specs, same hp and torque at same rpms, same EXACT motor, I owe you a cold one (or, would you prefer room temp?) SWERVE CAREFULLY, my friend!
@@steveross2280 cold’s good 👍🏻
I’m on my third RT, looking for the latest in spring with the new TFT screen and 1250 engine. Absolutely love the bike, don’t like the sports screen I like the larger one. Very capable tourer which is not as heavy as much of the competition. However that price tag is forcing me to look at other brands
Everything seems to keep going up pricewise. If you will only ever do roadwork though it’s a very accomplished contender and I can tell you the 1250 engine is surprisingly better than the 1200 👍🏻
I was looking at the Yamaha FJR1300 but because of EU emission 5 rather than upgrade the engine to pass they've decided to discontinued it. Plus it was beginning to look a little dated compared to the new RT.
Plus with the shenanigans going on in Europe what is the point of buying a tourer if they won't allow you to tour. So I'll keep my R1200R for now.
Hi Nick... Any chance you’re going share your tip on down shifting on the blip. Very interested!! Great video.
Hi David. I will in a future one when I can show it clearly. I have to say it just worked on the RT so it may be the more lean forward riding position that rolled the throttle off fully. Watch this space 👍🏻
Couple of comments to add-up:
- as mentioned in previous comment, final drive gear radio (swing arm), final drive ratio is different GS/RT. Gearbox per se is the same. So on roads, GSx will require a lot more shifting /RT. Even more with 1250 and extra torque. The shorter GSx ratio is meant for off-road needs indeed. A nuisance if you only travel on tar,
- noise wise, the Akra exhaust the key contributor. Is you like silence & your neighbors, don’t go for Akra. GSA comes std with it, which explains why noisier than GS. Engine covering only comes second RT/GS/GSA. When you open the throttle, RT valves will open up, you’ll still enjoy the roar…
- heated seats and handle grips: it is white to push the level up to start with for it to thermalise all rapidly (it takes forever if not), then to take the setting down as soon as you feel the heat wave arriving. I do ride sub zero temps, all five levels useful once at equilibrium. My whife loves the heated seat, triggered more often than I do. Note that in severe cold (
Also a long comment. Thanks for adding. Just one point, the GSA (or RT, or GS) on this market come with the Acropovich exhaust as standard. Thanks again though 👍🏻
Interesting video........ what make and is your bike garage ? ...... looks similar to the one MK containers sell , what do you think of it?
It’s from Extendaline (extendaline.com/product/extenda-space/). It’s bigger than the one they sell as a motorcycle shed as the GS is large (and the garden furniture shares it in winter). It has a shelf a ramp and two great certified locks. Arrives as 6 panels and two of us took about an hour to assemble it. Very happy 👍🏻
Interesting comparison, i ride a 2020 R1250RT, which I find great.
Have you considered advanced rider training, IAM for example?
I have. You can never train enough but it is, as always finding time 👍🏻
Bmw seems like they have too many problems. Not near as many dealers here as in England and Europe. Be big pain here in Canada,will stick with Harley ultra for a while. No having to adjust valves every 20,000km either. Great review thanks 😊. 😎🏍💨💨💨💨🇨🇦👍🏻
Is it too many problems or the admit them?? Don’t know. I grant I’ve not done that mileage but so far on 3 GSs I’ve had few problems. Love the ride too
I have found after 80,000 miles on a 2014 R1200RT that the heated seat allows me to keep riding long distances down to 40F (4.5C). Without it you eventually start to cool down, dangerous on a long ride. Especially when you stop!
Hi Geoffrey. I think I acknowledge I’m seldom riding in low temperatures so I bow to your extreme experience. If we take the 2021 GS here which has a heated seat option for £295 (obviously the difference between ingrates and heated) then I’d probably have it but paying for aftermarket pair at £1,000 no thanks. Ride safe 👍🏻
Spot on that RT is not a direct comparative product to GS. I was neber able to get used to the position. Seat heater is a nice thing to have though. I did a DYI on my 2003 R1150GSA for less than 25 bucks using a renault heating element and switch. It IS very nice in subzero and wet conditions.
Hi Thomas. Thanks for the comment. I bow to the heated seat. I think it’s maybe I don’t get much sub-zero riding. Although I hated it in a few cars I had with leather seats too. Think it’s just me 🤣👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK oh i know what you're saying! i drive a Tesla which only comes with a heated seat and first thing i did was to install ventilated seats. (Wish i could do it for the bike... oh wait... maybe i can ask my seat guy for that!!) I seldom use the heated seats on the bike but it's one of those things where if you need it that day, you REALLY need it lol. Keep the rubber side down and shiny side up!!
Will you be doing a video on the connectivity issues and solutions on the GS?
Hi Vincent. There is one already. Once this lockdown ends I will be getting all TFT updates. There is at least one (Nov 2020) and the app updated to v3 yesterday. Here’s hoping 🤞🏻
I own the bike and I agree with you about the sporty position. I am not that happy about the long distance between the steering and shoulders and I am not happy about the windscreen border that covers your eyeline when is completely open.
Thanks for the comment. Interesting points. I found the large screen on the K1600 a bit off putting when looking through it as it’s not really flat and distorts stuff in peripheral vision but I guess it’s only a button press to lower it. Ride safe 👍🏻
Oh you should check out the amazing k1600gt .
Hi Steven. I’ll sure ride one when it’s out here in UK. Dealer thinks next week or two. I rode the old one and that’s on the back of my GSs 1st year service
You may be looking at the data for the 2021 model which got a refresh today including the 10. 3 TFT.
Yep. That’s at the end of the video 😂. The TFT was on the site two weeks ago when I rode it but for sure refers to the 2021 model.
Hi Nick, could you do a comparison video about the new Multistrada v4 vs the GS1250 ? It would be great to see your viewpoint
It would be a case of seeing if I could loan one but may start trying some other comparisons. This one was popular 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK No worries, maybe once the bike comes to market. Your reviews are always very in depth and dedicated. Keep them coming. 👍🏻
Nick, do you think the front riding lights / indicators combination may confuse the odd car waiting to pull out of a side road ?
I guess it’s possible although nothing goes off. I stopped that function on my Denalis as it switched them off entirely when I switched flashers on (feature in CanSmart unit) and I felt that could look like a ‘flash to come’?
Excellent comparison! I confess I much prefer the instrument layout on the RT to the TFT on the GSA allthough it's rumoured the RT will soon get the TFT 'upgrade'... I'm on the shorter side, so of the two I think I'd take the RT..... although £1K for a top box is ridiculous.... I'll get a Givi or something (anything?) else thanks.....it would be interesting to know what it costs BMW to buy / produce it.... my concience wouldn't allow me to purchase a 'top box' for a £1K..... even if I had the money.
Paul. After the end of the review there’s a short piece in the new RT that darn BMW launched yesterday 🤣🤣👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK Ah, sorry, I left after you said 'Goodbye' and put your thumb up! Have to say, it confirms my original thinking... I much prefer the 'cockpit' of the earlier bike, from the pictures it looks like the TFT was an after thought rather than integrated into the design.
@@paullee6663 Ha Ha Paul. I never blame anyone for baling early although in fairness you had reached the end. The review was to be a leisurely edit last night and over the weekend but as I started to grab stills, like quicksand the configurator was changing before my eyes!!! Randomly I did read when I was fetching the bike on 6th October that it had TFT as standard so must have happened upon the changes in train for yesterday. Sped up my need to get the review out though for sure 👍🏻
Engine noise is greater on the 1250 than the 1200's not because of the boxer configuration but due I suspect to the valve train noise.
Hi David. May be. I’m not sure though. They did change the chain from standard to toothed type for the shift cam. That may make more noise??? The shift cam shouldn’t as that only changes the lift. The clearance remains the same and the can just slides in and out at certain revs so not doing it too regularly. There is a definite phenomenon of left cylinder rattle that seems to vary. I’ve not peered long enough in to the engine to be able to decide myself. I only got a brief view. Without question ‘thinning’ the emissions is unlikely to make an engine quieter and the 1250 engine is at least Euro 4 compliant and rumour has it that was always Euro 5 as the new GSs are with no apparent power, engine or exhaust change although we don’t know for sure. Weakening the mixture can make the engine knock. Mine is much smoother on cruise for example with premium unleaded. Interesting debate 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK one other thing that will impact the noise too is the fact that the RT has a lower final drive ratio 2.75 vs 2.91 for the GS. So higher Revs on the GS at the same speed. I found the RT sluggish to get up to speed compared with my R
@@dgomes265 that’s good information. She did seem a little less urgent on the on-ramp but equally while filming I didn’t want to really gun her to 80+ 🤣👍🏻
Bikers have gone crazy about the dash. Two round gauges, speed and rpm, are still round in most expensive cars. The TFT shows everything you need , and don't. I had this layout on my 1600B and two other GS and GSA and never complained. Now, I have the TFT and it makes no difference to me. I ride the GS for what it is, not for it's dash. What I don't like in the RT is the riding position. I felt like I was sitting on the top of the bike.
I think many people don’t have to have the TFT however it’s the way most are going? Even the ‘clocks’ on the new Triumph Rocket 3 are projected TFTs. You’re right though. I got comfort from a 2011 merc I owned with an analogue clock. 👍🏻
I can't believe people are buying into TFT it is a cost cutting measure. It's a lot cheaper to make software for generic screen vs engineering/manufacturing custom analog dials.
The guy that does the pricing for the BMW motorcycle accersories is the same guy that does the scoring on the QI Quiz Show.
No it’s a random number generator 🤣🤣 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
You mention the lower seat which therefore changes the position of your legs. i've heard reviewers of the 2021 RT complain it's not as comfortable as the GS which is a bit strange as it's meant to be a tourer for munching up the miles? How did you find it, uncomfortable?
For the time I rode it it was comfortable and that was helped by the lower height of the seat I felt too. It’s wider than the GS seat for sure. It is a ‘sporty’ riding position for a tourer though with the pegs set back 👍🏻
Hi Nick, sorry for a late comment, been busy :)
I was looking at that windscreen in your video.... it felt so strangely small hehehe
(The RT) It is soooo comfy! I dont like the TFT on the 2021 model by the way, but I would love to get those light systems and Cruise control w/ radar. Dont particularly like the headlights design though.
The sound system is not that usefull imho. Plus you would get the ugliest aerial ever in the 2020 model. the 2021 model has it hidden (aleluia?!) :)
On the top box, other lovely feature is the internal light, and the bottom mat ;) Annoying is you need to take the pillion sit to remove the connector if you want to take the top box out.
Not sure if you have checked the lights during the night on this 2020 RT though, its so powerfull! :)
Year 2050: BMW offers the GS with an electric screen ^_^
TMI on the closest clothing sweaty layers hahahaha! The bottom heat, its really nice if you are completely freezing on a long tour! ;)
I am not shame of admitting - I am afraid of offroading, so I always do tarmac. A GS would not make sense, and I dont appreciate its aesthetics. I love my RT - I don't have the quickshifter as I am not a sporty driver, and must admit, love shifting. I also don't use the bike for commuting, maybe if that was the case, I would appreciate it more?
Thank you for the video!
Thanks for the detail Daniel. Many of the points I found. Maybe I’d get used to the lower ride?? That Active Cruise Control, even at £500 is a winner on a touring bike. I love it in my car. I just hope it can’t brake quite as fiercely as my Golf. 😱. Ride safe 👍🏻
Awesome. How many liters is the gallon in the UK? In the USA, it is about 3.78. I had an option to buy a 2020 1250RT or the 2021 1250gs. I ended up with the GS. Personally I liked the seating position of the GS, but the wind protection of the RT. The RT also had the radio and music and I love the analog display compared to the mind boggling TFT. Both are good, if I had the $$$ and the space, I would have both 😀
Hi Krish. It’s 4.54. Litres to an imperial gallon. Derived from the fact we have a 20oz pint where yours is 16oz 👍🏻
Hi Nick, I will second the comment from James, took me a while to find the answer also, throttle hard on the stop(closed), works a treat, can I go off topic, some input on your GoPro set up please, this time round it sounds really good and clear?
Ride safe.
I have done a video on my helmet set up. The equipment is now (doesn’t matter) a GoPro 8 with mic adapter brick in a ulanz or similar case that holds that adapter under (it does mean it’s not waterproof as the door’s off but I’ve not had issue). I connect a cheap Amazon Lavalier microphone (aufgeld). It’s an iPhone TRSS (3 stripe) mic but has a two stripe adapter. Run around inside the helmet shell with duct tape. Emerging by my left cheek (my helmet is a flip). In fact it tickles it’s that close. I retain the foam wind cover but also put a mini dead cat fluffy wind cover over. At speed I have to have my visor closed and all vents to the lid closed. Below motorway you can have the visor open. I have a boom mic from my headset/intercom and I route to the other side (left) to save any possibility of feedback. Think that’s it but the vid shows the real detail and I think my videos have links??? 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK appreciated Nick, I also use the 8 in the media mod, still experimenting with mic type and position, will now check out your video.
I'd feel embarrassed riding through a town with the radio going full belt. I'd also be embarrassed by the £1,150 bill for it lol. You should do more bike reviews.
Ha ha. That’s true. I rode the K1600 and it was surprisingly good but if you don’t turn it down through town, you’re the dick with the lowered Vauxhall Nova with loud exhaust, loud music and windows open 😂😂👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK Ha Ha yes, Love the new GS though, can't wait to try one. Had bikes years 20 years ago but want one now!
@@glideman all the GSs are nice. I’m not disappointed with mine and the new ones as I’m not a ‘black’ colour lover and they’re heavily bias. Hope to ride one soon. Only option I’d have liked o think is the multi function rear indicators. Nice though 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK Yes we do like all the toys, hope they add an electric screen soon.
@Grannys Gusset I’ve handcuffed myself ready 🤣🤣🤣
I ride comando. I wonder if the new tft nav is satellite or uses cellular ? I think sat is much better in the states we have many sqaure thousands and thousands of sqaure miles of dead zone for cellular service
Hi Mark. No it uses the app but the maps are downloaded to the phone so no need for cell service
kinda need to update and edit for the tft comments
I find the quick shifter very iffy. You have to either roll off on roll on just right to get a smooth change not intuitive in my view.
I find that with downshifting on the GS whereas upshifting is fine but on the RT. Downshifting just seemed to work. I’d be sure it’s the same electronics and mechanism so I guess either fuelling, riding position or adjustment
Good review but i would rather like to know more about riding experience in terms of handling .. how different it is when compared to the GS1250 Adv.
Yes sorry. I sort of touched on it but only had the bike a short while. 👍🏻
What is the BMW Motorcycles break in period? Does it recommend to keep the rpm low for a the first 500 or so miles?
There is a run-in period of 600 miles (1,000km) after which you have a service. Service intervals vary after that but most bikes are 1 year or 9,000 miles I think?
@@nickhodgeUK Thank you.
good vid however there are some key points you have negated to mention. As a passenger bike the RT is far better than a GS or almost anything else out there. Not only is the position and comfort good for the pillion its also a hell of alot easier to mount! Its low seat height is a big plus for many of us shorter in the leg - can't say that about any adventure bike. The RT is a far more fun bike than you make out as well it is not just a mile muncher, I guess this conclusion is drawn as much as anything from its perceived nature rather than what it can actually do.
Thanks for the comment David. I think my view was patently a comparison with the GS but in closing I think I made it clear this was a very accomplished machine. Granted I had no passenger and certainly in the boxer line up top for passenger comfort. Again the armchair on the K1600 and certainly the ‘wing’ would likely be above it. The K1600 is the only one I’ve rode and the mounting height is similar and certainly a negative with the GS. For me it’s too low which diminishes my like of ‘road presence’ I am hoping to ride the 2021 bike soon and the adaptive cruise control and improved TFT/Nav will I believe enhance a very good motorcycle still further. Just hope Euro5 doesn’t take anything away as I felt power delivery on this one was excellent 👍🏻
Greate review only wrong thing is the road..wrong side hehe you can never understand that but..it feels wery scary left side ..great video otherwise thums up !
How do you know you don’t ride on the wrong side Palle? 🤣👍🏻
I don’t like the new light arrangement, the indicators are not that easy to see and as always led lights tend to be directional I.e. you have to square on not from an acute angle
Do you mean in the new GSA David??
Looks like that is a 2019 or 2020 RT given it doesn't have the TFT. The TFT only came in the 2021 model.
That is correct. If you watch to the end you will see the launch of the new one as I was editing the video 👍🏻
when you say lower, were your legs uncomfortable?
Hi Colin. No, but also not really on long enough to decide really. Just felt ‘different’ and slightly weird 👍🏻
What I hate about my GS compared to my K1600 is that as soon as I’m going fast enough to want to put the screen up, I’m going too fast to be able to put it up due to wind resistance. Not only that, but I need to loosen the reinforcements first. Very annoying.
Hi Ryan. It is something I love about the 1600. I find myself adjusting it a lot to get the flow I want at that particular time and condition 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK Honesty, I think that’s because somehow the airflow is better on the GSA. I have a Vstream and I think it helps, but doesn’t fully account for the difference. I’m actually more comfortable on the GSA, and the airflow is less tiresome, on the GSA compared to the K1600. I can’t understand how or why, but it is.
The one think I’m surprised with on the 1600 is what a difference the airflow deflectors on the side of the fairing do make. Thought it was a gimmick when the dealer showed me but with the heat here recently it’s been well worth using
@@nickhodgeUK In the summer here in Tennessee, it makes the K1600 the best bike I have to stay cool, compared to my GSA and ZZR1400. It’s fairly noisy on the motorway, but if I keep a cooling vest wet, I’m absolutely fine in 100f heat. It got up to 104f a few weeks ago and I rode for 10 hours no problem on the K1600. I must’ve stunk though. 😉
I can see where your coming from but really the RT and GS are equally good because one is made for luxury touring and the other is made for adventure so it’s a bit unfair to compare them. They both have there place and which ever people buy it’s what suit’s them.
I agree Donna. I was surprised how much I liked it
As you may know by now. The 2021 RT is where the real changes have been made. A full 10.5” TFT! Full of safety tech and front end and cockpit appearance changes. Ride safe and ride often. Peace.
Indeed. Although I say goodbye at the end of the video there’s a ‘stop press’ at the end. I had to hurry the video out as while I was editing the configurator was changing!! So there’s a couple of minutes on the 2021 machine at the end 👍🏻
Nick Hodge
You are right Nick!! Well done.
Did you say something about NOT using the headlight....in reference to the '21 GS and you not riding at night anyway? Why would you NOT use a headlight, even during the day?
Hi Jim. Difference between headlight and daylight running light. That comes on by law (with the other Denali lights). The headlight comes on automatically from a sensor in the TFT. It’s seldom dark enough for that. The feature on the 21 GS is its cornering headlight. I’d not use that feature hardly at all 👍🏻
I like using my high beam headlight just to be seen better, but I think drivers here in the U.S. are a lot worse than over there.
@@jimsnider3971 techically riding on high beam with oncoming vehicles here is illegal (whether you’d get pulled up is another matter). Certainly my bike is lit up like a Christmas tree at all times but I seldom ride at night to benefit the new cornering headlight 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK The new light worries me a bit....seems like a very expensive thing to fix for what it offers. I've been riding for years on high beam and have never had an issue with the police over here....and I don't mind bothering other people out there when it comes to my safety....LOL
HHHHOWWWWW MUUUUUUCHHHHH 😂. Mind you from what I've seen so far (the configurator didn't work too well when I tried it) the 2021 GS' prices have gone up too if you want the heated seats etc. so I won't be changing my 2020 any time soon. It'll be interesting to see if the latest euro regs have changed the 1250 engine at all as I'm sure my euro4 2018 GS didn't pull as well mid range as my 2016 euro3 bike.
My understanding is that the 1250 was eu5 complaint when it was first released. Obs not badged as such at that time as only EU4 was being released. So no change. EU4 1200 was an end of life fudge, so a different fish.
In fairness I added stuff like the sport pack and SOS 🆘 but no different than my bike. The only thing is the audio which is what punches it over the £20k mark. For a reasonable spec though it’s well broken the £19k barrier that my 2020 GSA was below. I do like the ACC. Having had it in my car it’s the first option I’d have next time and that TFT is lovely. Ride safe
That’s interesting to know. It’s listed as 4 (even my few week old GSA). You can be sure that the more they squeeze the more ‘lean’ everything becomes which isn’t ideal for the engine, but I guess better for the planet we’re leaving behind. Unfortunately internal combustion engines were never intended to be that 🤷♂️👍🏻
@@samsara3694 That makes sense-if they knew what euro5 entailed it would be better to make the 1250 meet that from the outset rather than do it twice. £20k for a bike is too salty for me though😰
If I were you I’d give a bit more space between yourself and the car in front at stops…or at least angle/offset to one side. I hope you never get hit from behind like I did on my R Nine T, you’ll end up a beemer sandwich. Luckily, I had plenty of room and wasn’t injured at all, bike was totaled though. I’ve got a 2012 R1200RT now…so I sorta lucked out.
Thanks for advice. I’ll try and remember and glad you escaped it. Ride safe 👍🏻
10:18 such low revs must be deadly for the engine.....
I wonder Nick what you would have thought of the RT 's normal standard front screen for weather and wind and noise protection on the bike, instead of the "sport" issue screen?? which I think is pointless.
If anyone riding a bike didn't want touring bike type protection, I would suggest is on the wrong kind of bike. Why not get a different bike?.....The RT is a specialist touring bike! it doesn't propose to be any other kind of bike. A bit expensive for one to buy this bike and then "busy themselves" trying to convert this bike into a bike more akin to some half faired naked bike, for those hot summer days whilst riding.
Buy a different bike, these RT's are "touring Kings" quite obviously and bloody expensive! for being that and specially designed. That sport screen, in my view, is a waste on this type of bike and,...why?? Don't buy an RT........Having said that it truly is up to each and every rider to choose for themselves how it should go for them in what bike and type they see themselves having.
Hi Paul. I agree. Not sure why it’s an additional cost option on a tourer. If you want one there’s plenty of aftermarket. For example (although never fitted) on my GS I felt the screen to small (height) so bought an MRA one. Then I bought the GSA which has the larger screen 👍🏻
Why do Brits measure distance in miles & not kilometers? Aren't they on metric for everything? He said he's done 120 miles on it. Just curious.
Nope. We’ve always used both for everything bar distance (miles) and fluid (pints 20oz ones!!). Personally I use pounds and ounce for weight but generally cm,m for length. We’ve always been strange but also want to do anything the French DON’T 🤣👍🏻
An electric screen on a GS is bunk. Isnt a GS heavy enough? Off road with a motor drive screen? Go buy an RT if an electric screen nis a must to you. It doesnt belong on a GS or Adventure.
In your opinion Michael? If you competitively use a GS(A). Maybe 5% of GS(A) owners then yes, the screen is not even an issue. I too agree the RT or K16 are great bikes but for most of the GS(A) owners I suspect, they would love a push button adjustable screen. That is however my opinion only 👍🏻
wow. no. much less wind resistance. and you are informing us? bye
Twenty-six minutes of trivia. I despair of today's motorcyclists. For you next video why not focus on your fridge and how you rearrange the shelves for greater convenience?
I think it’s slightly unfair to call me today’s motorcyclist when the first bike I rode was 1975 but thanks for watching and commenting 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK You come across like a new biker - rather like the Missenden Flyer in fact - because you've got lost in the marketing detail and gadgetry. Motorcycling used to be an escape from petty concerns not a route into them. Tell me this, if you've overcooked it on a bend, it's too late to brake and - heart in mouth - you've got to lean it further than you've ever done before to get it around which would fare better, the GS or the RT? Or, if you had to ride one of the bikes flat out (well as fast as you dare) from Nice to London only stopping for petrol which one would you choose? Issues like these are the fundamentals not the knob v switch for the bloody screen or how warm your ass is on the heated seat. And answers to questions like these will not be found by following cars along suburban or semi-rural roads at 45 mph. The Missenden Flyer doesn't take his GS off road because he hasn't recovered from the mental scarring of falling off it .......in a car park. I shouldn't laugh, but has the country which produced the the Lampkins, Hailwood, Dunlop, Sheene, Fogarty, etc, come to this? Check out Jon's moto garage on TH-cam. He does benefit from Arizona weather but he rides bikes as they were meant to be ridden and the conclusions he reaches I respect.
@@trailingarm63 I had the bike a day. Tough to come to major conclusions in that time. It was a comparison between my GS and the RT for a bike that is similar in size. It was never meant to be a full review of the RT. I had it overnight while the GS was in for repair. Most seemed to have liked it, although not liking it is an equally valid opinion. Like many social media commenters there are comments in generality about people they actually don’t know. I started riding in 1975, worked 8 years as a motorcycle mechanic. Was runner up in Honda mechanic of the year in 1978. Rode bikes daily by the seat of my pants when motorcycles were far less controllable than they are now. Try a K2 CB750 flat out on s-bends, you’ll know. When your only recourse to a tank slapper was to stick with it. I do this for fun, for people’s interest. It takes many hours of my time and glad many seem grateful. I await your much more exciting content. Ride safe 👍🏻
@@nickhodgeUK That's a good CV and I appreciate your experience. I bet you've fixed a fair few cam-chain tensioners in your time. Like you I've come through about 45 years of bikes and experienced many of their strengths and shortcomings. I watched your video because for the last five years I've ridden an R1200R. It's light, has gyroscopic handling and is rock steady at 130 mph (on track days, officer). However, I don't commute anymore and I'm getting old (60) and would appreciate a bit more wind protection on long rides. I'm thinking about swapping to either a GS or an RT. But I still want a bike which will handle extremely well - on the ragged edge if necessary. I watched your 26-minute video in its entirety but it did not really answer my question. I'm a similar height to you, long legs, so bike height is not an issue. Which one would you get if you were in my position? Regarding my future content. I have to admit I was a print journalist for 30-years but I feel like a dinosaur now. I did cross continents and took a lot of risks but I'm hoping that younger people will do it and I can applaud them from my sofa!
@Trailing Arm my particular expertise was the chain tensioners on CX500 v-twins which required engine removal to replace. 1.5 hours start to finish. Actually often the chain tensioning was ok. Much of the rattle was caused particularly on 4-cylinder machines by out of balance carbs. Balance those with vacuum gauges (particularly the CB400F) and rattles often went away.
Back to GS/RT. I was impressed with the RT it handled well as do most boxer engine bikes actually as the excessive weight they have is very low. I love the road presence of the GS (or even more so the GSA) as it is a much ‘taller’ bike and that’s a big thing for me. However I would say for handling the 10L less tank size on the GS makes it more ‘flickable’ that the GSA. All things considered I’d go for a standard GS for your list. I like the GSA as I’m not so needing to have my knee down, love the extra range, improved weather protection and size. However there was nothing wrong with my GS either. I loved that bike. You WILL notice a difference between the 1200/1250 in acceleration, smoothness and overall ‘behaviour’, barring the gearing if you find yourself in 2nd/3rd at very slow speeds. That’s the only area I’d be critical of the GS/Boxer/Gearing. All that said, I approach 62 and as my left knee gets worse, the RT becomes more attractive as a bike with many of the good solid features of the GS but with a very feet planted feeling. Go ride both. I think you’ll be surprised 👍🏻
holycow. 3 mins in and no info yet. just babble.
You obviously like the GS better so your biased, the things you do not like about the RT an RT rider would disagree with you because they would be biased to the RT so really your not giving an unbiased review.
Ah but maybe you’re biased toward the RT. It’s only ever opinion 👍🏻