Lake District camping in hard wind and rain th-cam.com/video/Hbspo1CkipU/w-d-xo.html or maybe Bivi camping in the Peak district th-cam.com/video/VUvDIz2PA74/w-d-xo.html
I did this once up near a peak in Snowdonia, accidentally I might add. Didn't go so well either, but certainly wasn't 20mins from the car. Had to trek down the mountain in pitch black with crazy wind and constant downpour on no sleep. Got to the car the next morning. I strongly advise against it ahah
Definitely the right call getting off that hill. Glorious sunset, absolutely stunning. The Lanshan tents are cracking tents, mine has been through a few storms in Scotland and Wales and not a dint, but the storms didn't have that lightning, that was terrible. Glad the pair of you are okay. Nice one!
we too were camping on Kinder on Tuesday night, Northern Edge near Red Brook. We were perhaps a mite more exhausted being older and having walked from Langsett on a hot day. We didn't bail, safer staying close to the ground on an air bed than to walk off upright and presenting a more attractive target for the lightning.....a great lightshow and I slept so well after the storm!!!! but each totheir own
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I have never been so glad to get off a hill. Felt very vulnerable on the top of a hill in a tent. It was a awesome camp tho buddy. Until the next one 🤙👊
Hi Paul, if that's the storm on Tuesday i was motorbike camping near Butterton, i just put a zip in my canvas polish lavvu and set off on Monday for a couple of days chilling in the dales, four solid hours of rain and wind and the tent didn't let any water in which was a surprise because i had not treated it with any water proofing solution. Thanks for taking the time to make your videos they inspire retired old fogeys like me to get out and about as much as we can, all the best. Bob.
Brutal conditions up there. Just goes to show how quickly things can turn bad, and how delicate we really are when mother nature has a grump on. Glad you made it down safe and look forward to your next Video. ATB Neil.
This is so nyce, I also love spending time in nature and sleeping in a tent with my best friend....I love watching your videos because I have learned a lot from watching
Paul thanks for sharing your adventures! As a Hammock camper the need for two trees naturally leads you to a valley and out of harms way each night... The Army who have to be out in all weathers are Masters at taking advantage of 'micro terrain' features - that will be dips and gullies and using a tarp - camping exposed might provide great morning views but is it sensible? Personally I love 'The Natural Navigator' by Tristan Gooley - as I grow to appreciate what the signs of nature can tell us about correct navigation, I'm also becoming more aware that nature can also signal safety or danger - a mountain or hill top bereft of feeding animals perhaps indicates something important about events about to unfold - in short - where are the sheep? is a pertinent question. Finally, as an avid cloud watcher, and linking this to meteorology - simple weather forecasts are possible on the fly and depending on the wind speed (faster air flows makes quicker weather changes and shorter forecast predictions) are good for 1 to 4 hr look ahead. All this adds up to having a more sensitive awareness of our surroundings, learning to read the signs and using this local information to our local advantage...
That was definitely a good call mate. I was up Mam Tor about a month ago when two of our party suddenly had their hair stand on end. They didn't have any sense of the potential danger. So I got them straight down off the great ridge and to lower ground. A couple of mins after we did a lightning bolt landed somewhere around the top of Mam Tor. We were less than a mile away. It rained but we didn't get the wind like that mate. Great educational video though Paul. Nothing wrong with bugging out when you need to and I think it's a valuable video for all these newbie wild campers that are emerging from nowhere due to the staycation fad. Glad you were safe. 👍
Definitely not a fail. Good call to get off the hill. You can always go back another day. Good experience to see how quickly you can pack everything up in rough conditions and in the dark.
Thanks Ian. I don't like tapping out if I can help it. But that was too close to call. Not worth the risk so we made the sensible choice. Thanks for watching
I had one of those nights just last night Paul. Was at 475 metres near Skiddaw house back of Skiddaw. Frightening and very exposed. The electrical storm was fierce from dusk to dawn then abaited. That whole area is very bald without protection, big featureless slopes of either bracken or heather. I jettisoned at 4am when the storm was a bit less and the rain lighter. Very glad to get down safely. Lessons on my part to be learned. Glad you got down safe.
@@stevec-b6214 Should come to the lakes, 20 mins from your car you can be on a mountain top........ the secret!? , there's carparks in the middle of nowhere. 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I applaud your caution. Being responsible saves being hurt or calling out the emergency services for something you could avoid. Well done, another brilliant vid.
Quite an adventure and a stunning photo at the end. Good call to get off the hill and a credit to you both that you just gritted your teeth and went. 👍
Paul that is so bad! Never had to abandon a tent. Hope you was ok and got home safe! I have camped in horrific conditions but your tent failed you sooo bad! Thankyou for the video.
Hi Gary. The tent didn't actually fail. We chose to leave purely because of the lightning. It was striking from all directions. The tent was holding up well in the wind considering it's not really an all-weather tent. I'm confident everything would have been fine if it was just wind and rain. I'm not prepared to take on a lightning bolt though. Thanks for watching
Bloody hell mate!! That looked like something from those old episodes of mountain rescue programs. You hear about so many stories of people who decided to stay up in bad conditions and it turn out bad for them. Good thing you had your wits about you
well done Paul! Exactly the right decision and it was clear you went into auto pilot and decamped in double time, minimising risk in text book fashion. I've just bought the same tent and cannot wait to get it aired. Atvb, Michael
I went camping on Tuesday night in my Mountain Warehouse Backpacker 2 tent in wrexham and it did very well, i didn't get much sleep due to the Thunder, but it kept me dry!
The extra cord is also for supporting the tent from an overhead limb, for use without a pole. I've done it, and it works until the wind comes up and the limb moves!
Wise choice paul, wind yes rain yes but a big NO to the flashy stuff, the lanshan looked well 👍🏻 well so did everything till 0230 . Great stuff atb Dave
I've been caught on Kinder in a thunderstorm in the daylight. It was foggy all around so the storm was around me not above me. Not nice. But I wasn't camping, just hiking. Glad you made it off there safely Paul. You made the right decision.
I have the Lanshan 2 and think it's brilliant. Used on the Cumbrian Way and a couple of overnight wildcamps. Admittedly not used in the conditions you experienced but for the price, weight, and quality, it's a winner.
Wow, this was a very authentic vid. Good call, yes. Funny, I can hardly understand you cause I'm old and deaf and U.S. but I understood everything you did.
I did a tarp set up with a walking pole was fine until about 3am when a storm came and blew the tent down. I had to abandon the camp and walk to the car. Bit upsetting walking down the mountain and seeing other wild campers in tents snoring their heads off.
Kudos for making the safe decision. Can think of a lot of people "riding it out" instead of bugging out. Laying down on the ground when the lightning strikes is, well, mortally dangerous.
It simply isn't worth the risk. There was lightning coming down from all directions. If one strikes close by your in the s***. We made the right choice. Thanks for watching
Always bring a good TARP that will cover the entire tent and more. Storm proof, rain proof , hail proof,sun heat proof and there light. Number 1 camping tool!! .
@@mactive11 I never said lighting proof. odds of getting hit by lighting are 1 in 1 222 000. ! been on a air mattress will help if lighting strikes and a Tarp under the tent will help.
BLUE LINES! I'm glad you asked that. In my Lanshan 2, I've unhooked the front of the outer, rolled it back just past the ridgeline, and secured the outer with the door toggles. Then connected the blue lines to the hooks at the trekking pole pocket, then diagonally down to the mesh guyout, then diagonally back to the bathtub hooks then to the guys, to keep the inner roomy. Pow, star-gazing mode.
Total respect for abandoning ship Paul - the person who was there is best placed to make the decision. I frequently try to imagine what it must be like to pack up in the dark in a storm, and I don't relish the prospect one bit. I avoid summit camping unless I'm confident about the conditions. Coincidentally, I recently bought a Lanshan 1, more from curiosity than anything else, but I sold it on without using it - setting it up in the garden it just didn't feel as solid or as spacious as my regular tent (Hexpeak V4A). But that table...I mean...really?
Happened to me however i legged it down like a very bad fell runner cacking myself to the safety of my car. Retrieved my gear following morning.. i totally wimped out that night 😁 ...Great video again Paul and full credit to you lads lasting as long as you did👍
It may be wimping out mate, but it's not worth the risk of being struck by lightning. You are most vulnerable up high. A tent on top of the hill you stick out like a sore thumb
That was a cracking shot of the lightning and the Lanshan 1 at the end Paul. I used this tent on my recent Coast to Coast and it performed flawlessly. Not much condensation either. Well pleased with it. Sandy
fair to say that was deffo a WILD camp paul. the lanshan looks well put together with loads of porch space & well vented inner nest for warm nights but no good for lightning lol.
Was well worth the wait to see your film , have learnt so much watching your videos , such a brave decision to decide to pack up & go in that weather & conditions , another lesson learnt ..😁
On top of a hill during a massive (thunder)storm, yeah I get why you left early! How well did the waterproofing on the tent hold up while you were there though? I mean that's a proper rain test right there for sure.
Those who have a go at him for packing up camp during the storm, he made the right choice as during storms esp on top of hill/mountain you are more likely to get struck, and it's actually wiser to move to lower ground.
Also just read a stupid and ridiculous comment... you were the highest thing on that hill... it was a life or death call... and you made the right call.
Love all your videos Paul, the progression has been amazing. Though I have to admit I love seeing the bad weather ones so much. More please. And snow. Please.
Think you made the right call there Paul, I’ve been caught twice now in thunder and lightning and as you say it’s not much fun! Glad you made it down safely, I’m sure the tent is fine for it’s purpose, just not extreme weather like that! ATB Anthony 👍👍👍
You are right Anthony, it's definitely not much fun. The tent will be perfectly fine in moderate conditions. However the tent didn't fail. It was the shiny stuff in the sky that made us leave. Thank you for watching as always
I was at my back door in south yorkshire when this struck, i have been in one severe lightning storm with gales on a snowy wild camp at edale cross and it was brutal i was in an argos tiger paws tent with a tesco sleeping bag both held up but it was my trangia and candle lantern that proved their worth keeping me fed and warm lol
That is a very compact emergency tent. I reviewed a Karrimor Bivvy2 in a storm last year. It seems not much small packed than yours but is pretty much a bag with windows. I didn't use my hiking pole to make it more comfortable but I'll give that a go having seen yours. I wondered if one short man could lie out in mine if it was guyed out a bit. Lightning and exposed hills, yes not safe! A good call to shift, pronto! Thanks for sharing the experience.
The lashan is not an "emergency tent" and the the pole is not optional. It's a low cost tarp tent. I wish he would have said how it performed before he bailed
Me and my dad went camping on Sunday in Penrith and it was raining all the way through from 8pm to 8am with really strong winds similar to those in the video. Great video as per usual 👍
Hi Paul. I have just subscribed to your channel. I am so pleased that you were able to get away from the lightning. Your very sensible. The worst type of lightning is cloud to ground. I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Great video! Thanks for put focuse on hot bad it could get to be tenting on a peak, rigde or a high place when lightening. ... My son called me 3 weeks ago.... he needed advices.... he was tenting by a lake 2200 feet altitude... i told him to go lower and avoid to be the highest point. Safety first.
Jeez, didn't realise that the sky lit up that bad. I know we had thunder in Chesterfield but I slept through it. Glad to see you out and about and glad that you made the right call. Abt mate
So, would that tent have withstood that bad weather up there and keep you dry and safe if lightning wasn't in the equation and the door was down wind? I don't get not staking the edges down to the ground so wind couldn't blow in bringing wet! It could be just as bad on barren flat land with the same conditions. Except the rain doesn't run down hill and hopefully away! Nothing replaces experience.
Just in from work so caught this. Right choice, do the thing that makes you feel safe. Mountain will be there tomorrow. As a mountain leader - Being in the open, up high or in a tent is not advisable in a close thunderstorm. Seek indoors shelter if you can e.g. a bothy. If no choice stay low down in a ditch or behind rock piles. If you know the route down and its safe to do so and you have good light at night walk out. Be especially careful if the wind and rain are very heavy. If not try and shelter as best as possible until the storm abates. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot and putting themselves and others at risk. Watch lightning from indoors.....
Hi Paul!Blue cord is for pitching the inner tent without the fly! Just turn your trecking pole handle down and use the blue cord to stake it to the ground.
Paul, do you have any experience with the Thermarest Xtherm? I'm in two minds about whether to get an Xlite or Xtherm for UK camping, and seeing as the price difference is quite substantial I'm looking to find experience-based knowledge from people in the know. Cheers 👍
You did what you thought was best and that's always the right thing to do. I've packed up in less and stayed in worse but they were my decisions and always the right ones, so far. I hate the drive of shame going home early. You did well recording and packing
Great video Paul, meticulous as always and good call to bail. I was out on the hottest night and worried about same but it passed east of me. You pitched that Lanshan to perfection , good to see ! May have to try one. ATB A
For reasonable weather camping, yes, a taller bell, dome, teepee, ridge, or similar are find, but when wind is expected, I prefer a hooped bivvy bag, with the low end pointing into the wind; they present a lower profile, which reduces the amount of wind loading on the tent. I've used a tarp shelter in heavy rain, too; they're no good in the wind when you don't have trees handy, though, which brings me back to the bivvy bag. Yes, for people who don't like confined spaces, they can be a problem, and you can only get into them from pretty-much the prone position, but for all that, they're remarkably good bits of kit. They're also excellent if you need to hunker down in place, esp in unfamiliar ground, such as on a mountain, in a stormy and loud light show. Glad you got out of there in one piece, btw :)
Don't mean to be overly critical, but if you knew there was the potential for rain the safe bet would have been to make camp where you could have weathered it out. Setting up on top of a hill, or ridge is never a good idea. If you had chosen a protected campsite, you would not have been in danger, nor have to put yourself in further danger of packing up, and walking out in the dark and rain. This is exactly how people get injured, or worse.
I was expecting some rain showers and gust of wind. If I'd known that they would have been lightning I wouldn't even going out camping. I haven't been in that situation before so I made the call and packed up. Whether it was the right choice or not what we made it it back to the car safely which is all that matters to us
@@PaulMessner Hindsight is 20/20, I think you did the right thing in the situation. Did you end up doing another review of the tent though? I'd like to know how it ended up fairing.
Just goes to show that even with with the usual preparation & checks, any of us can get caught out. Good call- the hill will always be there for another day. You did well to keep filming! Atb Joss
Thanks Joss. We check the weather from two sources including the mountain weather forecast. They predicted rain showers and 25 mile an hour gusts. I guess they were little bit of the mark. Thanks for watching mate
Paul Messner same here- MWIS, Met Office and sometimes BBC for lowland comparison. They can sometimes be caught unawares. PS daft comment from soft lad - it goes without saying that you got off at the right time!
Sorry to sound ignorant but what was the danger. Tent looked solid and water proof. Would of been warm and cosy in the sleeping bag. What was the the risk? Thanks
glad you retreated off the hill good call Now the real question How was the tent? How did it hold up to a mountain storm Would the tent manage a storm like that?
Hi Paul. In your opinion, would the tent have withstood the storm if youd stayed on the hill? I'm after a ultra lightweight option and like the look of this. Cheers
I actually think it would and I hope to test it in winds again. But obviously I'm not hanging around when there's lightning strikes. I think it's a great value tent.
Should have left your tent pitched and sleeping bag in it, taken the rest of your gear to see how it held up in that situation Then go retrieve it in the morning.
Super video. Learnt so much. Didn't know about the dangers of lightning on hill.tops and even wet ground conducting lightning. Your explanation of the Lanshan 1 tent and trangia stove were really helpful. Thank you for all your efforts.
Pitching your tent on the summit seems daft.I don't really get this 'wild camping' thing. We started camping in our teens back in the 1980's. Plan a weekend, bung everything in the boot of the mg midget, triumph spitfire, TR7 etc and go (any time of the year). We learnt how to camp with the scouts, air cadets and from books. Cheap tents pitched in shelter of the wind, door downwind, two lengths of paracord flung over and staked down and you would survive a force 10 gale. Sewn in groundsheet in the inner tent kept you dry and a '58 pattern military surplus sleeping bag and a karrimat (two in the winter) kept you warm and comfortable. Anyone agree?
Because wild camping is just that, wild and fun, who cares if you get a little wet or your buddy oversealed his tent and its now raining inside due to condensation, or that you had to share food cause some dummy took too little with him (yes this all happened in the space of one trip) its all about the journey.
I've loved my Lanshan 1, I'd say it performed perfectly. No idea what the extra cordage is for. Perhaps for the external peak loop to rig it without a pole from an overhead limb. Glad I'm not the only one who hangs his pack from the trekking pole wrist strap, I just use a stick as a toggle though.
The tent seems excellent for the money John. However I do think it's a little small in length so for people around 6-ft you may find it a little small if you use a thick sleeping pad.
Lol, was just watching this saying to my other half "Fancy going camping, look at all the kit, look at his stove?" etc....luckily she'd buggered off to the lounge before that storm kicked in! Think you made the right call cutting that one short.
Lake District camping in hard wind and rain th-cam.com/video/Hbspo1CkipU/w-d-xo.html or maybe Bivi camping in the Peak district th-cam.com/video/VUvDIz2PA74/w-d-xo.html
“This isn’t nice now”. Understatement that Paul! 😂
I didn't want to go balls out and say it was horrendous 😂
It's always dodgy on top.
Unpredictable.
th-cam.com/video/LrtYrvEfl7c/w-d-xo.html
Beautiful my friend 🍂🍁👌
A classic case of - all the gear and no idea.
I did this once up near a peak in Snowdonia, accidentally I might add.
Didn't go so well either, but certainly wasn't 20mins from the car. Had to trek down the mountain in pitch black with crazy wind and constant downpour on no sleep. Got to the car the next morning. I strongly advise against it ahah
Definitely the right call getting off that hill. Glorious sunset, absolutely stunning. The Lanshan tents are cracking tents, mine has been through a few storms in Scotland and Wales and not a dint, but the storms didn't have that lightning, that was terrible. Glad the pair of you are okay. Nice one!
Paul:Wont be long until we get a gorgeous sunset 😍
Mother nature: you want me in all my glory? Hold my beer!!!
She gave us the sunset...and then blew it away
haha/....... great comment !
@@mattlast4093 One of the best "hold my beer" statements I've seen! lol.
Mother nature when I said I wanted to be blown off this is not what I meant!!!! 😹🙄🤣
mantap
we too were camping on Kinder on Tuesday night, Northern Edge near Red Brook. We were perhaps a mite more exhausted being older and having walked from Langsett on a hot day. We didn't bail, safer staying close to the ground on an air bed than to walk off upright and presenting a more attractive target for the lightning.....a great lightshow and I slept so well after the storm!!!!
but each totheir own
Lighting strikes up
He is a fair weather camper , really embarrassing,
@@semajekrad6922 meaning?
Yeah, that's what csmping's all about. Gotta take rough with smooth.
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I have never been so glad to get off a hill. Felt very vulnerable on the top of a hill in a tent. It was a awesome camp tho buddy.
Until the next one 🤙👊
Hopefully the next one one will be a little less shocking 🌩️⚡. Will get something arranged pretty soon mate.
Yes mate fingers crossed buddy and fir sure got something sorted soon 👍
Mad one😮
That it was buddy
Where about where you camping
Hi Paul, if that's the storm on Tuesday i was motorbike camping near Butterton, i just put a zip in my canvas polish lavvu and set off on Monday for a couple of days chilling in the dales, four solid hours of rain and wind and the tent didn't let any water in which was a surprise because i had not treated it with any water proofing solution. Thanks for taking the time to make your videos they inspire retired old fogeys like me to get out and about as much as we can, all the best. Bob.
Yes it was Tuesday storm. The forecast said some showers after midnight and gusts of 25 mph. So that lightning came as quite a shock
Brutal conditions up there. Just goes to show how quickly things can turn bad, and how delicate we really are when mother nature has a grump on.
Glad you made it down safe and look forward to your next Video.
ATB Neil.
This is so nyce, I also love spending time in nature and sleeping in a tent with my best friend....I love watching your videos because I have learned a lot from watching
Paul thanks for sharing your adventures! As a Hammock camper the need for two trees naturally leads you to a valley and out of harms way each night... The Army who have to be out in all weathers are Masters at taking advantage of 'micro terrain' features - that will be dips and gullies and using a tarp - camping exposed might provide great morning views but is it sensible? Personally I love 'The Natural Navigator' by Tristan Gooley - as I grow to appreciate what the signs of nature can tell us about correct navigation, I'm also becoming more aware that nature can also signal safety or danger - a mountain or hill top bereft of feeding animals perhaps indicates something important about events about to unfold - in short - where are the sheep? is a pertinent question. Finally, as an avid cloud watcher, and linking this to meteorology - simple weather forecasts are possible on the fly and depending on the wind speed (faster air flows makes quicker weather changes and shorter forecast predictions) are good for 1 to 4 hr look ahead. All this adds up to having a more sensitive awareness of our surroundings, learning to read the signs and using this local information to our local advantage...
Very well written
That was definitely a good call mate. I was up Mam Tor about a month ago when two of our party suddenly had their hair stand on end. They didn't have any sense of the potential danger. So I got them straight down off the great ridge and to lower ground. A couple of mins after we did a lightning bolt landed somewhere around the top of Mam Tor. We were less than a mile away. It rained but we didn't get the wind like that mate. Great educational video though Paul. Nothing wrong with bugging out when you need to and I think it's a valuable video for all these newbie wild campers that are emerging from nowhere due to the staycation fad. Glad you were safe. 👍
I love coming back to this video and hearing you say ‘ we’re due in for a bit of rain ‘ and then knowing what comes next 🤣🤣
Hindsight is a wonderful thing 🤣🤣
Definitely not a fail. Good call to get off the hill. You can always go back another day. Good experience to see how quickly you can pack everything up in rough conditions and in the dark.
Thanks Ian. I don't like tapping out if I can help it. But that was too close to call. Not worth the risk so we made the sensible choice. Thanks for watching
Hi Paul Messner :-) WOW! your stay on the hill had it all* Very dramatic! Sunset/scenery/and wild weather*Thank you so much for sharing :-)
Thanks for watching glad you enjoyed it
I had one of those nights just last night Paul. Was at 475 metres near Skiddaw house back of Skiddaw. Frightening and very exposed. The electrical storm was fierce from dusk to dawn then abaited. That whole area is very bald without protection, big featureless slopes of either bracken or heather. I jettisoned at 4am when the storm was a bit less and the rain lighter. Very glad to get down safely. Lessons on my part to be learned. Glad you got down safe.
20 min from the car? I would have brought steak and a bottle of wine :D
Shawna L And get yourself a hot blonde!!!!!!!!
I’d have taken a bath and some floating candles
aye - I dont consider camping that close to the car `wild camping` at all. not that this vid is called that.
@@stevec-b6214 Should come to the lakes, 20 mins from your car you can be on a mountain top........ the secret!? , there's carparks in the middle of nowhere. 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I applaud your caution. Being responsible saves being hurt or calling out the emergency services for something you could avoid. Well done, another brilliant vid.
Thanks Lynette. Its better to be safe than sorry
Correct decision Paul. Amazing footage captured under very difficult conditions. 👍
Thanks Andy. I felt a little bit like Kate Adie in a war zone 😂. I'm glad I experienced it but I don't want to be up in a lightning storm again.
Correct decision is dont camp on peaks but a lot of people are obsessed with having a view.
Bad decisions like that in Scotland can get you dead.
Oh Paul your doing it right. Stay confident in yourself you have so many beautiful places to explore. Your gear is your support, when your out there.
Quite an adventure and a stunning photo at the end. Good call to get off the hill and a credit to you both that you just gritted your teeth and went. 👍
Paul that is so bad! Never had to abandon a tent. Hope you was ok and got home safe! I have camped in horrific conditions but your tent failed you sooo bad! Thankyou for the video.
Hi Gary. The tent didn't actually fail. We chose to leave purely because of the lightning. It was striking from all directions. The tent was holding up well in the wind considering it's not really an all-weather tent. I'm confident everything would have been fine if it was just wind and rain. I'm not prepared to take on a lightning bolt though. Thanks for watching
Bloody hell mate!! That looked like something from those old episodes of mountain rescue programs. You hear about so many stories of people who decided to stay up in bad conditions and it turn out bad for them. Good thing you had your wits about you
It's definitely not worth the risk when lightning is involved. Thanks for watching
You did the right thing packing up, glad you got home safely.
Glad you and your mate got off that hill sorry about your camping see you in the next video a good one take care
Thank you for watching as always Andrew
Fair play that you took your tent with you. I'd have left behind and came back for it in the morning!
It doesn't take long to pack away. It was a mad rush for a few minutes though. Thanks for watching
That was no fail mate, you both got back Safe and well. Take care👍
well done Paul! Exactly the right decision and it was clear you went into auto pilot and decamped in double time, minimising risk in text book fashion. I've just bought the same tent and cannot wait to get it aired. Atvb, Michael
Wasn't the most organised packing session. Everything went in the bag quick as we could.
I went camping on Tuesday night in my Mountain Warehouse Backpacker 2 tent in wrexham and it did very well, i didn't get much sleep due to the Thunder, but it kept me dry!
Hope you enjoyed your camp Adam
The extra cord is also for supporting the tent from an overhead limb, for use without a pole. I've done it, and it works until the wind comes up and the limb moves!
LOL!
Wise choice paul, wind yes rain yes but a big NO to the flashy stuff, the lanshan looked well 👍🏻 well so did everything till 0230 . Great stuff atb Dave
It was all going fantastically well until that moment Dave. But it was an experience and the lightning looked awesome although it was a little scary.
I've been caught on Kinder in a thunderstorm in the daylight. It was foggy all around so the storm was around me not above me. Not nice. But I wasn't camping, just hiking. Glad you made it off there safely Paul. You made the right decision.
You are quite vulnerable when in the hills in a lightning storm. Thanks for watching
Glad you were ok. You made what I’d call a lightning departure.
The end of the night was quite shocking 😂
I have the Lanshan 2 and think it's brilliant. Used on the Cumbrian Way and a couple of overnight wildcamps. Admittedly not used in the conditions you experienced but for the price, weight, and quality, it's a winner.
For the price you can't go wrong at all for a lightweight tent. The lanshan 2 is very similar to Bucko's zpacks duplex
Wow, this was a very authentic vid. Good call, yes. Funny, I can hardly understand you cause I'm old and deaf and U.S. but I understood everything you did.
That’s when you know it’s a good video when you can’t hear what they saying but you understand what their doing and why they’re doing it
Another great video Paul. Glad you made it down safe. Aside from the imminent danger it looked like a great vantage point to see the wild storm!
The lightning show was actually beautiful. And we're in the perfect location however...😂⚡🌩️
I did a tarp set up with a walking pole was fine until about 3am when a storm came and blew the tent down. I had to abandon the camp and walk to the car. Bit upsetting walking down the mountain and seeing other wild campers in tents snoring their heads off.
Kudos for making the safe decision. Can think of a lot of people "riding it out" instead of bugging out. Laying down on the ground when the lightning strikes is, well, mortally dangerous.
It simply isn't worth the risk. There was lightning coming down from all directions. If one strikes close by your in the s***. We made the right choice. Thanks for watching
Always bring a good TARP that will cover the entire tent and more. Storm proof, rain proof , hail proof,sun heat proof and there light. Number 1 camping tool!! .
john kenny lightning proof?
@@mactive11 I never said lighting proof. odds of getting hit by lighting are 1 in 1 222 000. ! been on a air mattress will help if lighting strikes and a Tarp under the tent will help.
BLUE LINES! I'm glad you asked that. In my Lanshan 2, I've unhooked the front of the outer, rolled it back just past the ridgeline, and secured the outer with the door toggles. Then connected the blue lines to the hooks at the trekking pole pocket, then diagonally down to the mesh guyout, then diagonally back to the bathtub hooks then to the guys, to keep the inner roomy. Pow, star-gazing mode.
Total respect for abandoning ship Paul - the person who was there is best placed to make the decision. I frequently try to imagine what it must be like to pack up in the dark in a storm, and I don't relish the prospect one bit. I avoid summit camping unless I'm confident about the conditions.
Coincidentally, I recently bought a Lanshan 1, more from curiosity than anything else, but I sold it on without using it - setting it up in the garden it just didn't feel as solid or as spacious as my regular tent (Hexpeak V4A).
But that table...I mean...really?
It was the common sense thing to do. The walk down wasn't too difficult although it was very slippy.
Happened to me however i legged it down like a very bad fell runner cacking myself to the safety of my car. Retrieved my gear following morning.. i totally wimped out that night 😁 ...Great video again Paul and full credit to you lads lasting as long as you did👍
It may be wimping out mate, but it's not worth the risk of being struck by lightning. You are most vulnerable up high. A tent on top of the hill you stick out like a sore thumb
Brilliant, very exiting Paul and I bet you were tired the next day. Looking forward to a proper tent review now after that one was scuppered.
Obviously I'll have to do something with the tent again. I was knackered the next day. Glad you enjoyed the video
That was a cracking shot of the lightning and the Lanshan 1 at the end Paul. I used this tent on my recent Coast to Coast and it performed flawlessly. Not much condensation either. Well pleased with it.
Sandy
Thanks Sandy. I saw it in action on your videos. I think for the money it's a super tent. Best wishes. Paul
is it worth buying for a cheap lightweight option ?
Definitely.
fair to say that was deffo a WILD camp paul. the lanshan looks well put together with loads of porch space & well vented inner nest for warm nights but no good for lightning lol.
The silnylon is definitely not lightning proof 😂. However it is a really good tent at that price. Thanks for watching
Was well worth the wait to see your film , have learnt so much watching your videos , such a brave decision to decide to pack up & go in that weather & conditions , another lesson learnt ..😁
Glad you enjoyed the video Sandy. I think it was a common sense decision to leave. Lightning is a real threat
On top of a hill during a massive (thunder)storm, yeah I get why you left early!
How well did the waterproofing on the tent hold up while you were there though? I mean that's a proper rain test right there for sure.
Those who have a go at him for packing up camp during the storm, he made the right choice as during storms esp on top of hill/mountain you are more likely to get struck, and it's actually wiser to move to lower ground.
The extra cord is probably for pitching from a ridgeline between two trees without a pole
Really good call to tap out!... great little video and just shows how the weather can change so quick
Also just read a stupid and ridiculous comment... you were the highest thing on that hill... it was a life or death call... and you made the right call.
Love all your videos Paul, the progression has been amazing. Though I have to admit I love seeing the bad weather ones so much. More please. And snow. Please.
Think you made the right call there Paul, I’ve been caught twice now in thunder and lightning and as you say it’s not much fun! Glad you made it down safely, I’m sure the tent is fine for it’s purpose, just not extreme weather like that! ATB Anthony 👍👍👍
You are right Anthony, it's definitely not much fun. The tent will be perfectly fine in moderate conditions. However the tent didn't fail. It was the shiny stuff in the sky that made us leave. Thank you for watching as always
I was at my back door in south yorkshire when this struck, i have been in one severe lightning storm with gales on a snowy wild camp at edale cross and it was brutal i was in an argos tiger paws tent with a tesco sleeping bag both held up but it was my trangia and candle lantern that proved their worth keeping me fed and warm lol
The walk down to the car car was only a little over half an hour. So it definitely made sense to pack up and go home
Paul Messner 100% argee paul you made the right call
Wow! Grad you guys made it safe back Paulie boy. Great video despite the camping let down.
That is a very compact emergency tent. I reviewed a Karrimor Bivvy2 in a storm last year. It seems not much small packed than yours but is pretty much a bag with windows. I didn't use my hiking pole to make it more comfortable but I'll give that a go having seen yours. I wondered if one short man could lie out in mine if it was guyed out a bit. Lightning and exposed hills, yes not safe! A good call to shift, pronto! Thanks for sharing the experience.
The lashan is not an "emergency tent" and the the pole is not optional. It's a low cost tarp tent. I wish he would have said how it performed before he bailed
Me and my dad went camping on Sunday in Penrith and it was raining all the way through from 8pm to 8am with really strong winds similar to those in the video. Great video as per usual 👍
Never mind the winds on Sunday were no where near as bad as in the video haha
Thanks Alfie glad you liked it
Would have stayed where I was had it been me.
high quality and affordable tent for your camps amzn.to/323ai6n
Ryan Costello who’s being negative 👀
I would have braved it out as well
If you had stayed you would been blown to Neverland 🌬🌪
Are you crazy 10kV really hurts!
Hi Paul. I have just subscribed to your channel. I am so pleased that you were able to get away from the lightning. Your very sensible. The worst type of lightning is cloud to ground. I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Very good test: 'how well does this tent pack during a thunderstorm in the middle of the night?' What's the outcome of the test?
Didn't get that far..should have stayed more dangerous to run in this weather
Great video! Thanks for put focuse on hot bad it could get to be tenting on a peak, rigde or a high place when lightening. ... My son called me 3 weeks ago.... he needed advices.... he was tenting by a lake 2200 feet altitude... i told him to go lower and avoid to be the highest point. Safety first.
Jeez, didn't realise that the sky lit up that bad. I know we had thunder in Chesterfield but I slept through it. Glad to see you out and about and glad that you made the right call. Abt mate
It was quite a storm Dave thanks for watching
So, would that tent have withstood that bad weather up there and keep you dry and safe if lightning wasn't in the equation and the door was down wind? I don't get not staking the edges down to the ground so wind couldn't blow in bringing wet! It could be just as bad on barren flat land with the same conditions. Except the rain doesn't run down hill and hopefully away! Nothing replaces experience.
Definitely mate the right call there Paul! Glad you see you guys manage get to safety without any injuries. ATVB mate.
Take care, Steve. 👍👍👏
Thanks Steve. Definitely not safe having your tent pitched on a summit when the lightning bolts are dancing. Glad you enjoyed the video
Just in from work so caught this. Right choice, do the thing that makes you feel safe. Mountain will be there tomorrow. As a mountain leader - Being in the open, up high or in a tent is not advisable in a close thunderstorm. Seek indoors shelter if you can e.g. a bothy. If no choice stay low down in a ditch or behind rock piles. If you know the route down and its safe to do so and you have good light at night walk out. Be especially careful if the wind and rain are very heavy. If not try and shelter as best as possible until the storm abates. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot and putting themselves and others at risk. Watch lightning from indoors.....
That's great advice Chris. Thanks for watching
Hi Paul!Blue cord is for pitching the inner tent without the fly! Just turn your trecking pole handle down and use the blue cord to stake it to the ground.
Thank you for the info it's much appreciated
Paul, do you have any experience with the Thermarest Xtherm? I'm in two minds about whether to get an Xlite or Xtherm for UK camping, and seeing as the price difference is quite substantial I'm looking to find experience-based knowledge from people in the know. Cheers 👍
This is the first time I've ever heard the expression: "I'm in two minds about..." It's nice to learn something new.
You did what you thought was best and that's always the right thing to do. I've packed up in less and stayed in worse but they were my decisions and always the right ones, so far. I hate the drive of shame going home early.
You did well recording and packing
Great video Paul, meticulous as always and good call to bail. I was out on the hottest night and worried about same but it passed east of me. You pitched that Lanshan to perfection , good to see ! May have to try one. ATB A
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For reasonable weather camping, yes, a taller bell, dome, teepee, ridge, or similar are find, but when wind is expected, I prefer a hooped bivvy bag, with the low end pointing into the wind; they present a lower profile, which reduces the amount of wind loading on the tent. I've used a tarp shelter in heavy rain, too; they're no good in the wind when you don't have trees handy, though, which brings me back to the bivvy bag. Yes, for people who don't like confined spaces, they can be a problem, and you can only get into them from pretty-much the prone position, but for all that, they're remarkably good bits of kit. They're also excellent if you need to hunker down in place, esp in unfamiliar ground, such as on a mountain, in a stormy and loud light show. Glad you got out of there in one piece, btw :)
Phone was on silent and I thought it had no volume again. Really enjoying watching your vids 🙂
That would have been a disaster 😂
WOW what an adventure, one for the pub story telling.
It's just a thunder storm - not nice like the man said - but just that, after all. With a car waiting nearby.
Don't mean to be overly critical, but if you knew there was the potential for rain the safe bet would have been to make camp where you could have weathered it out. Setting up on top of a hill, or ridge is never a good idea. If you had chosen a protected campsite, you would not have been in danger, nor have to put yourself in further danger of packing up, and walking out in the dark and rain. This is exactly how people get injured, or worse.
I was expecting some rain showers and gust of wind. If I'd known that they would have been lightning I wouldn't even going out camping. I haven't been in that situation before so I made the call and packed up. Whether it was the right choice or not what we made it it back to the car safely which is all that matters to us
@@PaulMessner Hindsight is 20/20, I think you did the right thing in the situation. Did you end up doing another review of the tent though? I'd like to know how it ended up fairing.
@@TheJarrodh not as of yet. I will be getting out in it shortly though so it's in the pipeline
Good Experience none the less. I like your straight up style of videoing. Good information. Thanks for the video. I'm getting one...@@PaulMessner
Exactly what I was thinking.
Right call Paul that lanshan looked like it was handling it well. Take care cheers Karl
The tent was holding up really well. We only left because of the lightning
hey, that's near where I camped a couple of weeks ago (thanks to your recommendation Paul!) the weather was much better for me teehee!
I have camped there a few times. It's always been windy but I've never had a storm like that before. Glad it was better conditions for you
A most excellent call on that one gentlemen. INTENSE... In Tents!
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Certainly intense 😂
Just goes to show that even with with the usual preparation & checks, any of us can get caught out. Good call- the hill will always be there for another day. You did well to keep filming! Atb Joss
Thanks Joss. We check the weather from two sources including the mountain weather forecast. They predicted rain showers and 25 mile an hour gusts. I guess they were little bit of the mark. Thanks for watching mate
Paul Messner same here- MWIS, Met Office and sometimes BBC for lowland comparison. They can sometimes be caught unawares. PS daft comment from soft lad - it goes without saying that you got off at the right time!
@@jossthomas123456 yeah...I always get a few comments like that. I normally ignore them but I thought I'd pin his comment and let the viewers decide 😂
Sorry to sound ignorant but what was the danger.
Tent looked solid and water proof.
Would of been warm and cosy in the sleeping bag.
What was the the risk?
Thanks
Lightning... :)
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I dont know why but that would have been my favourite weather to be in. Awesome
This is a brilliant tent! I've had the exact one for a couple of months now. Got a cheeky review on my channel to! Great video Paul! Glad you're safe!
What a lad. Thanks again for the video. Calm and collected (almost all the way through)
glad you retreated off the hill
good call
Now the real question
How was the tent?
How did it hold up to a mountain storm
Would the tent manage a storm like that?
tent held up really well. So far I'm very impressed with it
Excelllent! Glad you are safe. Me I am a 🐔, I never camp at the top or in the valleys. Excellent and thank you for taking us along. 👍🏻
Thank you James I'm glad you enjoyed it
Hi Paul.
In your opinion, would the tent have withstood the storm if youd stayed on the hill? I'm after a ultra lightweight option and like the look of this.
Cheers
I actually think it would and I hope to test it in winds again. But obviously I'm not hanging around when there's lightning strikes. I think it's a great value tent.
The tent may have withstood it but we may have had fried Paul on the menu 🤣
Well mate, you've been spot on with kit reviews before, so that'll do for me...cheers!
Glad you got out of there safely!
You guys should have stayed PUT!>
I agree 👍
It would be good to see a second attempt in that tent Paul. Looks like a decent bit of gear, so I'd like to see you complete a full night in one.
Sitting in my Hilleberg Soulo I would go to sleep with no worries whatsoever!
Not the tent is the problem, but the thunder, it might strike next to you. If you're sleeping on the horizontal is even worse.
@@cristibaluta As far as I know its better to sit in the tent then to try get of the mountain once you are on the top.
Wow!! Good call to pack up and descend. Some great shots.:)
Glad you enjoyed the video
If you think the duplex was a palace, you should have opted for the lanshan 2 instead of the lanshan 1...
Literally the calm before the storm...thought about doing my first wild camp but this has put me off a bit :D
don't let it put you off. You could just choose a pitch on lower ground
Should have left your tent pitched and sleeping bag in it,
taken the rest of your gear to see how it held up in that situation
Then go retrieve it in the morning.
Super video. Learnt so much. Didn't know about the dangers of lightning on hill.tops and even wet ground conducting lightning. Your explanation of the Lanshan 1 tent and trangia stove were really helpful. Thank you for all your efforts.
Pitching your tent on the summit seems daft.I don't really get this 'wild camping' thing. We started camping in our teens back in the 1980's. Plan a weekend, bung everything in the boot of the mg midget, triumph spitfire, TR7 etc and go (any time of the year). We learnt how to camp with the scouts, air cadets and from books. Cheap tents pitched in shelter of the wind, door downwind, two lengths of paracord flung over and staked down and you would survive a force 10 gale. Sewn in groundsheet in the inner tent kept you dry and a '58 pattern military surplus sleeping bag and a karrimat (two in the winter) kept you warm and comfortable. Anyone agree?
Because wild camping is just that, wild and fun, who cares if you get a little wet or your buddy oversealed his tent and its now raining inside due to condensation, or that you had to share food cause some dummy took too little with him (yes this all happened in the space of one trip) its all about the journey.
I've loved my Lanshan 1, I'd say it performed perfectly. No idea what the extra cordage is for. Perhaps for the external peak loop to rig it without a pole from an overhead limb. Glad I'm not the only one who hangs his pack from the trekking pole wrist strap, I just use a stick as a toggle though.
Your mate really loves that rock
I think it's the start of something really special 😂
Good call getting out of that, great video, liking the look of that tent.
The tent seems excellent for the money John. However I do think it's a little small in length so for people around 6-ft you may find it a little small if you use a thick sleeping pad.
Hey Paul. Perhaps change the thumbnail from fail to bail. The tent was find, location was the issue....
Great idea thanks. Just done this.
Lol, was just watching this saying to my other half "Fancy going camping, look at all the kit, look at his stove?" etc....luckily she'd buggered off to the lounge before that storm kicked in! Think you made the right call cutting that one short.
I would of slept like a baby
Not in that poor POS excuse for a tent.
Yes i would have.
Yeah, by being soaking wet and crying in your knickers.
@@egalva1 haha
Adam probably one of these weed heads that’s why he would of slept