I’ve heard an interesting evolutionary hypothesis behind this… Male animals have two reproductive strategies: They can impregnate various females and leave, or they can stay and help raise a few children. It’s possible this is connected to the human feelings of lust versus love in men. _“I just want to have sex with this woman.”_ versus _“I want to settle down with this woman.”_
TRUE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE STORY. These two graphs come from OkCupid co-founder Christian Rudder and are often re-posted without the additional graphs he released at the same time showing who men are _most interested in dating_ (based on search queries and messages sent). For example, while 47-yr-old men do think that 20-yr-old women are _hottest,_ they send messages to women ages 32-50 with a peak at 40. Again this is all based only on OkCupid from 10 years ago, and we have only Rudder's summaries, not the raw data. Still, it seems entirely believable to me that • older men think women in their 20s look the best, and also • older men aren't actually trying to be with 20-yr-olds but rather with women closer to their own age. Somehow people often skip reporting the second part. The first part is still a very interesting set of statistics, and I'm not even saying that those graphs alone are misleading. Just incomplete.
Well yeah, people learn their place in the dating hierarchy. Men with money date younger because they can, which says something about what the average man would do if he could
Agree with what you are saying but this is a LIKE FOR LIKE comparison on one element of it which I think stands up to scrutiny. You could add x y and z to form a complete view but it wouldn't be 1.40.
Perhaps the question was not worded correctly. I am a 62 year male, and there is a difference between who you find attractive and who you would like to be your partner. Not the same at all. I think that the most physically attractive women are between 18 and 23...generally speaking. Would I want one for a partner? Not on your life. I much prefer women my own age as a partner.
You are writing as if this is some general rule, when it is not. All you can say is that you like young women/girls. I'm about your age and I am far more attracted, physically, to women in their forties. I'm not even slightly attracted to young women.
@@Stan_Herman Yes, but the mere fact that there is an exception means that it's not some immutable law. I wasn't using "rule" in a technical sense, but as a rule we'd need to understand its limits. If I'm an exception are there others? Am I unique? I cannot believe so. And the survey sample for the data used is massively skewed in that it is only people who elect to use a dating website. What sort of middle-aged man uses OKCupid? It could well be men who have been hurt by previous relationships and now seek what they imagine might be something simpler. It could be desperate men who have never had a relationship and are locked into an adolescent mindset; the arrival of dating sites in the last twenty years or so gave them another chance. If I am the only exception I would feel rather sad for my entire sex.
I don't understand what you mean when you say that 18-23-year-old women are the most attractive but you wouldn't want one for a partner. How are you defining "attraction" other than the desire for someone to be your partner? For me personally, who is above the age of 30, these women look like children. I'm extremely uncomfortable with the idea of having a sexual relationship with them.
@@echidna8857 whilst I agree that very young women are not attractive, surely you appreciate that it is possible to have sex with someone without having an ongoing relationship with them. Most people do not consider a casual, meaningless tryst as being a relationship.
@@lavatr8322 it's a joke. In the video the men in the sample said that the women they found most attractive were 21. OP is surmising that Hannah must also be 21 since she's hot by general acclaim.
I mean... raw physical attraction is one thing, and "I want to have a long term relationship with this person"-attraction is another. And I think maybe what those graphs actually show is the difference in how men and women view (or viewed) a dating site like okcupid. The men clearly saw it as a means for a hookup with someone young and hot, while women maybe were looking for something more long term.
Well obviously because you can't have a long term relationship with someone who has raw, physical attraction - because physical attraction doesn't last over the long term. And don't let anyone delude themselves or you that this isn't true. Leonardo DiCaprio is perhaps the guy who had both the means and opportunity to live out his life based on objective reality of raw, physical attraction. That's the criteria he clearly uses and he is one of the few men who can date who he finds attractive rather than who will date him. End result: he's dated a series of women who are under 25. Super hot models. That is raw, physical attraction. He could have married someone when they were both 25 and now they'd both be 50-something, but he'd be lying if he told you that he found her as attractive as when they first met. Of course, no one criticised Leo until recently even though it's the same person doing the same thing. The risk is that there's a line between having a string of attractive girlfriends and becoming Russell Brand.
Research and communities have found that women are way, way more selective in terms of visual selectivity of partners compared to men. This can be for a few reasons, one being that men are in higher number than women so they cant swipe right on everyone. Two being that because websites like tinder and bumble are mostly used for hookup, and so, because that women have a harder time finding someone sexually attractive so they choose the best of the best for one night hookups. three being that throughout the last few centuries, men had the power of selectivity, but now with the use of internet, women have the power of selectivity too. And this is why communities like Red Pill and Black Pill exist, because men are desperate, and feel failed, and start questioning themselves and their appearance and behavior, this being a daily thing i see in men these days, causing them to develop a frustration towards women, and many times an unaccounted hatred leading to communities such as Red Pill which can be as toxic as you think it can. There was this youtube experiment done where women were handed out tinder account of a man, and not just some account, but an account with a well description, good photograph. The result was that they picked women they liked at first, but by the end of the video, they were desperately swiping right on every woman they saw regardless of attraction. And felt embarrassed and shocked that how can someone even use this app after so much humiliation. Women also have problems with dating but they are one step ahead, being that someone who shows up on date most of the time isn't good enough, can also be dangerous and not safe. But men are stuck on the ground problem till now being that they cannot find enough women to be selective. I frequently read comments about how 2-3 matches a month are a BIG deal for them. In my opinion. An average woman has the same demand in the apps as a very attractive man.
Yeah, "who's hotter, this 20 year old or this 40 year old?", the 20 year old is obviously going to win. But "who would you like to be married to?" Very different. This is the problem with data from dating sites, is that the most active users are going for hookups. And in that context maturity isn't exactly important. It'd be more interesting to view the ages of the last date an account had before long term inactivity.
Why? We don't want a relationship with a stupid 20 year old, sure, or someone we don't connect with..... but the chances of a 40 year old woman being stupid and someone we don't connect with is just as high, but the 40 year old ALSO comes with a ton of baggage that most men are done trying to deal with. So, yes, we do.
For real. I was in a relationship with a 20 year old when I was in my 20s. Now I'm 40 I know, for a fact, that I don't want to be in a relationship with a 20 year old
@@Gumblethebear Been there; done that. You've hit the nail right on the head. Mind you, not all 20 year-olds are stupid. I've had many relationships with University students and graduates; who tend to be more intelligent.
In terms of sexual attraction it’s pretty obvious that women in their early 20s are more attractive to every age of man… sexual attraction is about making babies, from a biological standpoint.
And my eyes are way too bad to even read it. That's one of the good things about getting old; you can't see or hear as well so ugly things are a little less obvious.
I'm just in my mid twenties and I frequently see people on dating apps and think "she's really cute but looks like a kid". I wouldn't want to date someone more than one or two years younger but it doesn't stop me from wishing I hadn't "wasted" my time previously.
@@traveller23e I can say from experience that 25% difference can still work well (40(me) vs 50(her) at the time). The biggest problem? Taste in music!!!
About 12 years ago I worked on an event where a psychologist presented data from one of the big dating sites of the time, may also have been OK Cupid. It was all about which qualities are most desirable and for male users the single best quality in a female user was if they were smiling in their pictures. Not age or any broadly accepted beauty standards, just if they looked happy. The qualities that female users were looking for in potential male partners were income level and muscles. Particularly muscular shoulders. So you can definitely look at data and say that certain metrics make men look bad, but there are also plenty of metrics that make women look bad as well. In all these cases it's important to think about the results in context. For example it might be the case that women are on these sites looking for fun so they go for superficial qualities, whereas men (who often have a harder time finding a partner) might be more likely to be looking for an actual long-term relationship.
what never ceases to amaze me is the number of women who list on their dating profile "just looking for friends", even on the dating section of a platform that also has a friendship section.
When confronted with the truth, if it it doesn't meet your perception, deny and denigrate. Did your survey include Cougars or just debauched old men? There is graph for women's attraction to a man's wealth or status. Surveys are usually skewed to favor the results that the one paying for the survey wants.
This video seems to be conflating two seperate questions. Initially you asked "How old do you like your partner to be?". Then you showed graph of "Age of the men/women who look best to him/her?". It seems to me there would be no reason for the age you find most attractive to vary considerably as you age. However, that is a completely separate question to what age you prefer your partner.
Of course there is good reason to be attracted to older women as you age. You tend to spend more time with older women and you learn to be attracted to the people you know. Also, surely, an innate sense of decency kicks in.
@@onewithham6747 Are you unfamiliar with the "creepy rule"? Of course it's disgusting to be attracted to someone much younger than yourself. That why the likes of Leonardo di Caprio and Peter String fellow are objects of ridicule.
@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu As it's from OKCupid I doubt they are using survey data. They are somehow running analytics on what their users do. Probably huge data sets - when compared with surveys - and far more honest.
Lol. That's funny. They are *preferences* though. 20 year old women may be more attractive, but older women are still attractive. Most men aren't really that picky.
It's also rating physical attractiveness and not who people would want to actually be in a relationship with. I'm not saying that men's preferences would snap to a y = x line (and I saw the okcupid data a long time ago, and I know that they didn't find that to be true) but it's a lot less vertical.
There's nothing surprising about this. You're not going to train, bully, shame or cajole people into finding someone attractive when they just don't see it. It is what it is.
OF COURSE men find 20-ish women most attractive - IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE. Without question, and fully accepted by virtually all (innately if not consciously) humans are the most attractive in that age range. It is, I very strongly assert, an inarguable fact. It never ceases to amaze me the huge numbers of women who present as so smart and smug and superior to men, yet just CANNOT see how simple and straightforward we are. We totally get how complicated you are - beyond me why so many women can't see the inverse. P.S. Also, it's because male and female humans are genetically and anthropologically programmed to perceive 20-ish humans as the best candidates with whom to create strong, healthy offspring because at that age they are at their most fertile, are at peak physicality, and are most able to care for and defend the offspring. How can someone who portends to be so smart not see that?
This does not apply to all men, just the type of men who are on Okcupid at an older age. The data is too narrow and skewed to be used in a generalized way. Love your channel and watch all the time! Thanks for making complex things easy to understand and doing it with a side of humor!
It's still very interesting. I can see how perhaps men who are mainly attracted to much younger women might have resistance to admitting it in a survey for instance. The app's data would seem to cut most of this factor out. Definitely would like to see a lot more data about the data though.
@@GumblethebearIt's critical analysis of the generalisability how is that a cope? Can tell you are not academically inclined if that's your first thought. YT comment moment.
I think there is something here, the men in their 50's who were using OkCupid at it's peak were the kind of men who were horny enough to overcome technical incompetence in order to use a dating app to meet women that were far too young for them. At that time, about 10 years ago, most 50 year old men had barely even figured out Facebook yet, it was a very particular kind of man who is getting on OkCupid at 50 back in 2014. That said, these men still did exist, and are still a stark contrast to the 50 year old women who were far more normal in terms of the age of the partners they were looking at. I'm sure the data for all men is a bit more forgiving than the picture painted by these OkCupid stats, but I'm sure it's still rather bleak.
@@davidmorgan6896 It's both. As well as plenty of other variables. People talk in exclusionary terms too often. "Dogs don't have 4 legs. Dogs have tails!"
I wonder what men and women think of the physical attractiveness of their own sex, regardless of sexual preference. How many 40 year old women are going to make the claim that 40 year old Brooke Shields is more attractive than 20 year old Brooke Shields?
Women don’t base their view of attractiveness just in looks, which explains the discrepancy. If you asked women specifically who looked best, then you’d get different results
@@jameskowanko7574 Well that's just it, we don't know what they mean by "attractive" here, do we? And I think you're going to have a hard time finding too many beautiful women dating significantly less attractive men who don't have something else seriously in their favor (cash, power, fame, etc).
It's pretty simple. On an instinctual level, women desire men that look like they can be a provider/protector and they are more practical about this than men are because...... Men CAN NOT depend on women for provision/protection and men that try that are shunned by women. Since men are expected to take care, not only of themselves, but of the woman, what's in it for him? Youth, beauty, fertility. That's the bargain. I don't know how many times we're going to have to look at data like until women realize that 1. They are most valuable when they are young, beautiful and fecund. 2. They are trading sex for resources. I can do men too. Men need to realize that 1. They are most valuable once they've become competent and essentially proved they can protect and provide. 2. They are trading resources for sex.
This isn’t rocket science. In terms of “attraction/desirability”: Women seek Physical Looks + Financial Benefits/Stability. Whereas men seek Physical Looks.
Did she just virtue shame men's sexual preferences? Men consistently liking younger women is "problematic" to her (as if she discovered America). But young women lying about their attraction for monetary gains and when hitting the wall themselves realizing that looks and being young matter is not a problem at all.
There's a lot of old women here are beyond livid and bitter about men wanting younger women when really, it's all just biology. And they're like "Oh you're a predator" like seriously come on...
@@yalrdyknow It's not "just biology". Biology is about creating random variation. Society does the programming. People act differently in crowds than alone.
Sorry, ma'am, but this is natural human biology. Women have a finite number of fertile eggs in their life. The number of eggs drops precipitously after mid 20s, concluding with menopause when their fertility basically ends. Men can retain fertility for their entire lives. We are hard wired to recognize the physical traits of the most fertile women. It doesn't mean older women can't be attractive, it just means that the average woman's peak attractiveness is at a different time in their lives than men, which also makes sense because human females mature faster than males. Women see no problem with leading on guys their age and passing them up for older men who have more financial stability, but when the shoe is on the other foot and men are passing up older women for younger women, suddenly they have a problem with the arrangement.
I'm 76 and still a Naughty Schoolboy, with a wild imagination. I'm also Autistic, which probably helps. I'd like to be naughty with Hannah... or Alice Roberts.
As I got older I find older women more attractive, can appreciate an attractive younger woman, like one can appreciate an attractive plant or architecture but honestly, around my own age group is more appealing.
It's not exactly surprising that men think young women are the most attractive, which is what they were (apparently) being asked. They weren't being asked what age of woman they would like to be in a relationship with. Not sure why it would surprise anyone that men preferred women before they become miserable, humourless and stroppy - ie middle aged.
Those two charts are completely opposite of each other. The one with the women choosing the men close to their own age is the ones looking for a relationship. The chart about men is the one men attracted to completely different charts. Ask any man.
perfect! 👍🏼✌🏼🖖🏼 also, I think what that data is telling us is that men who go to dating services - at least that one - are looking for available women in their 20s. If they were looking for more age-appropriate dates I’d guess they may well be looking elsewhere.
As always with statistics it's very important how you formulate the question. Guess, the question was formulated were superficially so that guys were lured into the 20-22 years answer. In my experience, guys have a more broad view of what they truly find attractive. (e.g. low weight is not always good and much more)
Why does this channel have so few subscribers. No waffle, no spending 10 minutes telling everyone what you're going to talk about, (lets ban preamble once and for all) just succinct, relevant, sharp and witty, with great comic timing. And how nice to hear English spoken properly for a change. You tell two friends, and I....
As a guy, it makes perfect sense why younger women are considered more attractive. But I don’t think I’d want to have a serious relationship with someone considerably younger than me.
I would love to, the issue is that she'd have so many options and so many years of youth ahead of her that she's far less likely to be interested in any relationship, never mind a serious/longterm one, with an older man. Logically a young partner is better in every way, except for money/wealth acquisition, and perhaps ideology.
The graphs were for "finds attractive" not "wanting to date". If you date a woman in their early twenties the only thing she will have to say is "i don't know", you can ask her what her interests are, what she thinks of politics, or anything else, the answer is "i don't know". If date a woman in there late twenties or early thirties, they will have developed opinions. If the date a woman mid thirties onwards they want to talk to you about your career until the point when they have satified themselves that you can financially support them. As a 49 year old man, i would prefer to date the women who have opinions and are able to think.
Overly simplistic. Many women in their early 20s are intelligent, great to talk to, and usually nice to look at. The problems dating one, even if they were interested in you, come down to impracticality. Chances are they want to be out doing things people their age do, hanging out with friends their age, etc. Stuff you probably stopped doing 10+ years ago and now look and feel out of place doing. Then there'll be the judgement from their friends, family and people in the street. They're at a different stage of life!
Ok to be nice about this: Statistically speaking, 20 year old women are about as young, thin, attractive as they're ever going to be (in the context of dating) Men like positive youthful energy, high energy, less experience in life (more specifically less life beating them down) , less mentally screwed up , less baggage and women who can have children... women in their later 30s, 40, 50, 60 are obviously rarely any of those things...and the opposite to everything above is not often attractive I wanted women in their 20s when I was 20...im 37 and the ideal age range hasn't changed because the human biology of a woman hasnt.
That's the horrible dichotomy. Most men our age want a woman with the body of a fit 18 year old but with the mind and intellect of a well travelled woman in her 50s. It's an impossible dream! 😆
@derekspitz9225 Most men of any age just want a woman with the body of a fit 18 year old with a pretty face. Smartness is a plus point, but it's not as crucial. Men just want nice sex. If it wasn't for the sake of chancing upon good sex, why bother going through the trouble at all.
@@derekspitz9225 I can confirm your supposition. I'll add in mature, grounded, spiritual, traditional (for me), loyal and feminine. Things that are only generally available in very small slices of the female population out there. With the freshness of a youthful body. Tall order; virtually impossible.
Exactly. I wouldn't want a relationship with a woman who couldn't remember the "Queen of Soul." But objectively speaking, I wouldn't call her more attractive than a beautiful 20-year-old.
@@ruenvedder5921 The reason why men find young women to be the most attractive, is because they are biologically programmed to want the most fertile mate. Fairly straightforward
Biology doesnt really care for statistics for this point. Women tend to reach their peak in terms of fertility at around 23 or so, and motherhood at around 32. Men are biologically predisposed to be attracted to that age because of the desire to procreate. Women tend to look for similar ages because of the need to have someone to be a companion in looking after those kids. Obviously there will be outliers, people going for bigger age differences, but they really are outliers. Trying to hold men to modern standards created by society isnt enough to overcome millions of years of evolution. 😅
Well said. Modern Society, since the advent of Feminism, has skewed the world against men in general, as evident by anti-Social Media dating apps. That has now back-fired against women, as they are now complaining about being 30 -somethings and 'Left-on-the-Shelf', because men don't want other men's 'cast-offs'.
@@man0utoftime Well said. So much for Women's Liberation - a good thing in my book - and Feminism, which is anything but. Women wanted to be liberated, but the Brainwashing they have been subjected to since the rise of Feminism during the past 40-odd years, has failed to Educate them about the 'Facts-of-Life'. Generally speaking, men don''t want scrawny females as wives and as for 'Fat-is-a-Feminist-Issue'... The mind boggles. Any woman who truly believes that men like fat women, is deluding herself. They are usually vain and self-centred... and generally UN-healthy.
This is like the older (30+) p*rn stars who want to raise the p*rn age to 21+. They claim to want to "help" younger women (18-20), but they really don't like the competition. Men wanting more fertile younger women is about nature and species survival. It is as simple as that.
Yet more proof men are HONEST and see reality for WHAT IT IS.. If you were to swap out the question with a PLANT...and you were to ask, at what stage in development is the PLANT most beautiful?..it is when the plants flowers are in full BLOOM(and certainly not WITHERED before winter).. The same is for humans.. And it doesn't matter if you are 20 year old, 5 year old or a 100 year old man....they will view reality for WHAT IT OBJECTIVELY IS
This is a surprise? In other shocking news women generally find rich men more attractive spouses and, in a study by Harvard, water was found to be wet.
I met my partner when she was 38 and I was 36, which about matches that chart. On the flip side when I used dating apps I had, on more than one occasion, women become aggressive stating I hadn't put my height on my profile and they were upset they'd wasted time on someone 172cm tall. This is just picking which double standard you want to be upset about.
Was the complaint when they met you, or did they ask your height before meeting in person? I ask because 172 is a pretty normal height for a man and would mean you're still significantly taller than most women. Complaining that a man is 172 cm tall is the sort of thing I'd expect people to do much more online than in person.
@@SandymoorFerrariClub actually both. Apparently it's 1 inch below average height but there is the same data, the same as age in this video, that women on dating apps have a skewed preference on height that's well above average. I just view it as a bullet dodged as atleast they showed their true colours straight away
Peak SMV for women is 23: for men it is 35-40. Biology runs the show. Men want women who can produce children: women want men who can provide. Paleolithic biology runs the show.
I'd be interested to know what the equivalent figures look like for same sex attraction. And the context of the answers, too - are these the people that men actually expressed an interest in dating, or were they literally asked about "the age of the women who look best to them" as the table says?
It's a good point, do fit rich gay men in their teens and 20s want to pair up with poor obese gay men in their 60s and 70s? unlikely, but I'm damned sure it works the other way around.
Women wouldn't bother with that if it didn't make them more desirable. Men of all ages like young women because they have a longer available fertility window than older women (if they have any left at all). It's that simple and men shouldn't be expected to apologise for it any more than women should be expected to apologise for what is naturally attractive to them.
The fact that you find this so objectionable is very silly. Clearly men and women have *evolved* to fit these patterns. Men have *evolved* to find young women more attractive. It's not some kind of moral failing on their part, it's natural.
We are so divorced from reality today that we’ve lost our understanding of what sex and attraction are for… which is making babies. Men at all ages find women in their young 20s as the most attractive because they’re the most capable of getting pregnant and raising a child. Pre-menopausal women who are still full of “make a baby!” hormones find older men most attractive because those men are most capable of protecting and providing for them if they are vulnerable while pregnant or with a small child. The real kicker is the studies that have shown how many men women do not find physically attractive, but how some men can gain in attractiveness the more a woman gets to know him. Why is this? Because the tall, strong, very masculine guy is viewed as having the best genes, so women want that guy at a primal level and will easily have one-night stands with such men. Why? Because the baby-making hormones are screaming “Get impregnated by this man!” even if their conscious brain isn’t even wanting children (remember, until less than 100 years ago, sex = pregnancy most of the time). This factor is even more elevated when a woman is ovulating. Why do women find some men more attractive when they get to know them? Because they learn that those men can be providers and protectors. The tall/dark/handsome guy is seen as capable of being a protector, but maybe not committed to protecting them. The other guy, whose genes might be good enough, gets their attention if he’s willing to commit to providing and protecting for them. That being said, barring any sort of higher brain loyalty (religion, general moral character, etc.), many women, if given the opportunity, will cheat with the tall/dark/handsome guy. They might not be consciously thinking of getting pregnant by him, but if they do get knocked up, they get the benefit of the better genes for their kid while having that kid protected and provided for by the guy who’s not the dad, but thinks he is. That’s the main difference between men cheating and women cheating. Both are a betrayal in a relationship, but a woman’s cheating is even worse, as a man can be led to believe that a child is his when it’s not. Never does a man cheating result in a woman being tricked into raising a child that she thinks is hers but isn’t.
I don't disagree but we manage to overcome our nature 'through sheer force of will' in plenty of other aspects of life. I just don't see why we should. I don't like the idea that we 'couldn't' if we wanted to :)
I'm a 47 year old man. And I disagree with the data. Would I jump into bed with a 20 year old? Yes. Would I date one? No. They live in completely different worlds, have completely different priorities. A realistic age for a serious relationship would be someone in their early to mid 30's.
When I was 17 I looked at her face, when I was 27 I looked fir someone who kept herself fit. By 30 I was looking for the exit and avoiding women whenever possible. It's a strange culture, the only thing men can do is check out and wait for it to collapse.
I am only 23 but i don't really see why anything would change. It's probably a little bit like Nostalgia. There are features you've come to love that will shape you going into the future.
I dated women from early 20's up to my age until I turned 45. I kept going back to women in their early 20's simply because they were fun, appreciative, kept themselves up, and acted feminine. The 25-30 year old women I dated just wanted to party on your dime and didn't want to commit. The 30-45 year old women I dated got bitter, complained about everything, demanded everything, and let themselves go. The older they got, the more they whined about their inability to attract a worthy mate, the earlier in the conversion they started asking about having kids because their clock was running out. They didn't have time to waste if you weren't into having a kid with them by the second date. Not a great time on a date. At 45 I finally met a 45 year old Italian women who was raised on a ranch. She was fun, appreciative, and kept herself up along with being very feminine. Married 20 years now.
I'm glad they didn't end up with a guy like you. You sound bland for how demanding you present. Also the girls in their 20 were probably acting all agreeable BC of their daddy issues, which they usually overcome as they get older. Then you actually have to earn people's respect, which is too much to ask
Well, dating woman within the range of 35 to 40 brought me back to sanity and to never ever date a woman again. May my money rot until eternity, I will not wast it for that.
Note that a man who chose a younger woman is basically choosing someone with top fecundity, a woman choosing a older man is choosing someone who survived longer than her , or with a better status. Both are objectivisation of some sort,and the age is only one criteria of a roughless selection process."all is fair in love and war."
Brother eeeww. I'm in my late 20s and a teacher. When I look at a 20 year old woman, I see someone who is just months older than my students. I would never find someone who I know struggles so much with becoming an adult attractive. And I can't be the only one. How can you not make that link if you know any young people?
@@Manfred_Messerof course, another bitter female calling men incels. Face it, it's biology. Females are attracted to wealth and men are attracted to younger. Keep staying triggered though, late at night it haunts you how nobody wants you lolz. 😂😂
@@davidmorgan6896 There's logical reasons why men would/should be attracted to younger women, and the fact the data shows this makes it an objective reality. Yes, there's all sorts of outliers and kinks. Emotional attachment can warp anyone's perspective on an individual, or even their general preferences in time. The reason older men pursue relationships with women who aren't 18-21 is simply a result of supply and demand. There aren't enough 18-21 year old women to satisfy the demand, and the ones there are have so much choice, they could pretty much go up to any man in the street married or not and take him back to a hotel room if they wished, that nobody except the most attractive men to them are in with a chance.
@@Manfred_Messer It's great you've imposed this weird 'disgust' reaction on your innate drives. It will protect people from going 'ew' at you for trying to pursue such women. That's the only rational reason for it though. Those young women who are 'struggling so much with becoming an adult' are innately attractive because of their physical (and mental) qualities. The only thing to fear is that because they are still young they are prone to changing their desires/personalities more significantly than older people tend to. But so what?
A few days ago I had a similar conversation with a group of colleagues. I'm in my 40s and take good care of myself, I'm very active, hit the gym, play sports, etc. Having said that, I'm slower, weaker, have more wrinkles and more grey hair than when I was 30. I'm an engineer and I was also sharper in my late 20s and early 30s. In my mind, any woman that likes me today should like way more my younger version. I'm worse in every way (except I have more money today). The other way around also make sense to me, If I like a woman in her 40s today... I'm definitely going to like her younger self, isn't it? I really have a problem trying to understand the other point of view... I guess ite shows the difference between men and women.
That's a sensible way to look at it. I feel a similar way when I think about it. The only areas I've gotten better are my pocket book and my attitude and experiences to some extent. I'm a bit more laid back and not as 'pressed' as I was when I was younger, which also has some downsides
DING DING DING "I have more money today" Women view money the way men view youth. The more of it the other person has, the better the chance of having successful offspring. Biology always wins.
@@MattyPanda Oh please. Pretending women aren't even more shallow. 80% of women only contact the top 10% of men on the same apps. Every woman wants a rich man as much as every man wants a young woman. Sure, we want OTHER THINGS too, but if you're comparing 2 similar people, women will always prefer the richer man and men will always prefer the younger woman. Almost as if biology tells us what we find attractive because it is 100% best to engender the continuation of the species.
As long as you can keep it up and make them happy, that's all they want from you. Keep on doing what you're doing and making your part of the Universe a happy place.
@@danielreed5199 Nothing wrong with that. A mate of mine's parents were first cousins. And my best mate and his first cousin were shagging for years in their late teens and twenties.
As a 54 old man I can confirm. Women are at their peak beauty between 20-28, a but depending in genetics and style. Unfortunately I find almost no woman attractive in my age group, with very few exceptions. 😢i wish it was different tbh. I do find you, Hannah attractive though. 😊
Many will not like this answer, but almost everyone knows why. Fertility. Men are generally fertile well into their seventies. Women are generally fertile into their late forties, but risky pregnancies develop at 35. We are programmed to procreate.
Many will also not like to hear this either: advanced paternal age, especially after 35, is associated with increased risks for autism, intellectual disabilities, and mental illness. So then just because a man can father children at 70, doesn't mean that he _should._ We're "programmed" (read: conditioned) for a lot of things; it doesn't mean they will all help us at all times, now and forever. We have come as far as we have not because of any base drive to procreate, but because of our capacity to want more for ourselves than what was in the cards we were dealt by nature. Without it, we'd be no better off than animals in a stable.
@@mx248 I definitely don't think a man should procreate at 70. I think a man should marry a woman in his early to mid 20s, have a few children in their 20s and 30s, then enjoy tbeir grandchildren in their 40s-60s,, and their great-grandchildren in their 70s and above.
@@Orca_mammal Whether your male or female, iIf you want kids, you'll want them when you're younger rather than older. If you're female, you'll find your choices of mate in your 30s will be slimmer than your 20s.
Jealousy and bitterness masquerading as "you should know better, guys." Imagine telling hot young women, who are into badboys, rockstars, drug dealers and other degenerates that their attraction is 'wrong'. Young, stable, responsible guys who don't want women after they've racked up a body count of 100 chads are just as bitter as women over 30 because the targets of their attraction are indifferent to them at best.
@@stefeniedavidmusic We have determined the age of “stunning” through communal consciousness but the sammich has been invented so we can be made to look away.
It's not that we're pervs, Hannah. It's that people don't take care of themselves and by the time they hit 35 most women (in the US, at least) tend to have let themselves go. Most, but not all, obviously. There are some seriously beautiful 35+ year old women out there. A beautiful woman with some life experience is obviously more attractive than a 20-year-old.
Hi Hanna. I like my women educated and intelligent. Within reason, age is irrelevant, but as a man of 76 years, I find that once women reach their 50's they have a tendency to start losing interest in things that don't involve their families. Specifically, their children and grandchildren. They also tend to look for partners who are prepared to sit and watch Soap Operas with them, instead of going out and enjoying their lives. Women who have lost their original partners through death or divorce, also tend to avoid men; especially older men... as evident by the graph. Many older women won't look at a man who is over the age of 55. Why? Men who seek younger women, are men who still feel young at heart and don't want to settle for Cocoa and Slippers, in front of the TV. A younger woman also gains worldly experience from a relationship with an older man, especially if she's not in a hurry to settle down, get married and have kids. I talk from personal experience. A friend and I are both Autistic, with high IQ's and frequently discuss the women on TV we'd like to have a relationship with. That includes you and Alice Roberts. In particular, we both like your saucy innuendoes and wicked twinkle in your eye. You even make this item very saucy. Shame you're a happily married woman, as I'd like to spend some time with you. Sigh! Hey Ho! P.S. No, I've never married, as I had no inclination to be a father... which is what usually killed my relationships, as I am unable to supply the emotional security they demand; however, that doesn't stop me enjoying the brief relationships I have with younger women, many of whom are University students and Graduates. At my age, platonic relationships - or limited intimacy - are acceptable, as I have nothing to prove in the bedroom. i.e. I know I'm a man. Onwards and UPwards! Russ. Hampshire.
@@paulwilson6357 I should be so lucky! If wishes were reality... Trouble is, there must be hundreds of men out there, who have the Hots for Hannah and have a far better chance than I, of getting an invitation to her bedroom.
"most attractive" and "who you'd want to spend [time/the rest of your life] with" are not the same thing though.
it certainly do make a diff on who they'd want to spend some of ur time, rest of ur life with
I’ve heard an interesting evolutionary hypothesis behind this…
Male animals have two reproductive strategies: They can impregnate various females and leave, or they can stay and help raise a few children.
It’s possible this is connected to the human feelings of lust versus love in men.
_“I just want to have sex with this woman.”_ versus _“I want to settle down with this woman.”_
@@a55tech yes to this ^
Couldn't have said it better.
If they measured the latter, the chart would be empty.
Leonardo DiCaprio has entered the chat
Plus Mick Jagger
"Men who can do whatever they want, do what all men want." ..... I swear Chris Rock did a joke on this long ago...
And Johnny Depp
@@rogercantwell3622 And Charlie Chaplin. That guy had a paternity suit filed against him when he was 73!
No loe is in the chat❤
TRUE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE STORY. These two graphs come from OkCupid co-founder Christian Rudder and are often re-posted without the additional graphs he released at the same time showing who men are _most interested in dating_ (based on search queries and messages sent). For example, while 47-yr-old men do think that 20-yr-old women are _hottest,_ they send messages to women ages 32-50 with a peak at 40. Again this is all based only on OkCupid from 10 years ago, and we have only Rudder's summaries, not the raw data. Still, it seems entirely believable to me that
• older men think women in their 20s look the best, and also
• older men aren't actually trying to be with 20-yr-olds but rather with women closer to their own age.
Somehow people often skip reporting the second part. The first part is still a very interesting set of statistics, and I'm not even saying that those graphs alone are misleading. Just incomplete.
Well yeah, people learn their place in the dating hierarchy. Men with money date younger because they can, which says something about what the average man would do if he could
@@johnk6757
And women date men for their money and status if they could.
Kinda disappointed to see Hannah Fry mindlessly platform long-debunked inceI "statistics"... but here we are ig
Agree with what you are saying but this is a LIKE FOR LIKE comparison on one element of it which I think stands up to scrutiny. You could add x y and z to form a complete view but it wouldn't be 1.40.
Why should your own age change what physical attributes you find attractive? I was surprised the female graph was so close to linear.
Perhaps the question was not worded correctly. I am a 62 year male, and there is a difference between who you find attractive and who you would like to be your partner. Not the same at all. I think that the most physically attractive women are between 18 and 23...generally speaking. Would I want one for a partner? Not on your life. I much prefer women my own age as a partner.
You are writing as if this is some general rule, when it is not. All you can say is that you like young women/girls. I'm about your age and I am far more attracted, physically, to women in their forties. I'm not even slightly attracted to young women.
@@davidmorgan6896 You are the exception, not the rule, the data she showed even demonstrated this.
@@Stan_Herman Yes, but the mere fact that there is an exception means that it's not some immutable law. I wasn't using "rule" in a technical sense, but as a rule we'd need to understand its limits. If I'm an exception are there others? Am I unique? I cannot believe so.
And the survey sample for the data used is massively skewed in that it is only people who elect to use a dating website. What sort of middle-aged man uses OKCupid? It could well be men who have been hurt by previous relationships and now seek what they imagine might be something simpler. It could be desperate men who have never had a relationship and are locked into an adolescent mindset; the arrival of dating sites in the last twenty years or so gave them another chance.
If I am the only exception I would feel rather sad for my entire sex.
I don't understand what you mean when you say that 18-23-year-old women are the most attractive but you wouldn't want one for a partner. How are you defining "attraction" other than the desire for someone to be your partner?
For me personally, who is above the age of 30, these women look like children. I'm extremely uncomfortable with the idea of having a sexual relationship with them.
@@echidna8857 whilst I agree that very young women are not attractive, surely you appreciate that it is possible to have sex with someone without having an ongoing relationship with them. Most people do not consider a casual, meaningless tryst as being a relationship.
I used to think I was a pervert for being attracted to women 20 years younger than me. Because of this video, I now realize I'm just a normal guy.
As long as you're not 20 yourself
@@captainobvious8037or 30…
Had no idea Hannah Fry is 21.
Smooth!
Noiwce move... 👍
She might not be 21 years old, but on a scale from 1 to 10 she's a solid 21.
Wait Waaht?
She looks 32
@@lavatr8322 it's a joke. In the video the men in the sample said that the women they found most attractive were 21. OP is surmising that Hannah must also be 21 since she's hot by general acclaim.
I mean... raw physical attraction is one thing, and "I want to have a long term relationship with this person"-attraction is another. And I think maybe what those graphs actually show is the difference in how men and women view (or viewed) a dating site like okcupid. The men clearly saw it as a means for a hookup with someone young and hot, while women maybe were looking for something more long term.
Bingo.
Dating sites are definitely *not* a "simple random sample."
Well obviously because you can't have a long term relationship with someone who has raw, physical attraction - because physical attraction doesn't last over the long term. And don't let anyone delude themselves or you that this isn't true. Leonardo DiCaprio is perhaps the guy who had both the means and opportunity to live out his life based on objective reality of raw, physical attraction. That's the criteria he clearly uses and he is one of the few men who can date who he finds attractive rather than who will date him. End result: he's dated a series of women who are under 25. Super hot models. That is raw, physical attraction. He could have married someone when they were both 25 and now they'd both be 50-something, but he'd be lying if he told you that he found her as attractive as when they first met. Of course, no one criticised Leo until recently even though it's the same person doing the same thing. The risk is that there's a line between having a string of attractive girlfriends and becoming Russell Brand.
I can't imagine women or men actually looking for a long term relationship on a dating app.
Research and communities have found that women are way, way more selective in terms of visual selectivity of partners compared to men. This can be for a few reasons, one being that men are in higher number than women so they cant swipe right on everyone. Two being that because websites like tinder and bumble are mostly used for hookup, and so, because that women have a harder time finding someone sexually attractive so they choose the best of the best for one night hookups. three being that throughout the last few centuries, men had the power of selectivity, but now with the use of internet, women have the power of selectivity too. And this is why communities like Red Pill and Black Pill exist, because men are desperate, and feel failed, and start questioning themselves and their appearance and behavior, this being a daily thing i see in men these days, causing them to develop a frustration towards women, and many times an unaccounted hatred leading to communities such as Red Pill which can be as toxic as you think it can. There was this youtube experiment done where women were handed out tinder account of a man, and not just some account, but an account with a well description, good photograph. The result was that they picked women they liked at first, but by the end of the video, they were desperately swiping right on every woman they saw regardless of attraction. And felt embarrassed and shocked that how can someone even use this app after so much humiliation. Women also have problems with dating but they are one step ahead, being that someone who shows up on date most of the time isn't good enough, can also be dangerous and not safe. But men are stuck on the ground problem till now being that they cannot find enough women to be selective. I frequently read comments about how 2-3 matches a month are a BIG deal for them. In my opinion. An average woman has the same demand in the apps as a very attractive man.
@@deepmalyadas6585 You think trying to pick someone up in a bar is a better route? Otherwise you're stuck with the few people you know.
attraction is one thing, but a 40+ guy does not want a long term relationship with a 20yr old lol
Yeah, "who's hotter, this 20 year old or this 40 year old?", the 20 year old is obviously going to win.
But "who would you like to be married to?" Very different.
This is the problem with data from dating sites, is that the most active users are going for hookups. And in that context maturity isn't exactly important.
It'd be more interesting to view the ages of the last date an account had before long term inactivity.
Why? We don't want a relationship with a stupid 20 year old, sure, or someone we don't connect with..... but the chances of a 40 year old woman being stupid and someone we don't connect with is just as high, but the 40 year old ALSO comes with a ton of baggage that most men are done trying to deal with.
So, yes, we do.
For real. I was in a relationship with a 20 year old when I was in my 20s. Now I'm 40 I know, for a fact, that I don't want to be in a relationship with a 20 year old
@@Gumblethebear Been there; done that. You've hit the nail right on the head. Mind you, not all 20 year-olds are stupid. I've had many relationships with University students and graduates; who tend to be more intelligent.
Exactly this
In terms of sexual attraction it’s pretty obvious that women in their early 20s are more attractive to every age of man… sexual attraction is about making babies, from a biological standpoint.
Imagine the same chart where women say what income from men is the most attractive...
Speaking as an old man, I am not sure I needed a study, or a graph, to tell me that!
Based ✊🏻
Only those that actively fight against their instincts and reality need studies, graphs and peer reviewed nonsense to teach them what to think.
@@TheOneMastodon
water is wet
ehm excuse me, source??
Here, here! Well said!
And my eyes are way too bad to even read it. That's one of the good things about getting old; you can't see or hear as well so ugly things are a little less obvious.
There's an inherent bias because of the question: "what are you ATTRACTED to" means something different to men and women.
Right, and ‘attracted to’ is different ‘want to have a long-term relationship with.’
Good to see this comment, was thinking the same thing.
I'm just in my mid twenties and I frequently see people on dating apps and think "she's really cute but looks like a kid". I wouldn't want to date someone more than one or two years younger but it doesn't stop me from wishing I hadn't "wasted" my time previously.
@@traveller23e I can say from experience that 25% difference can still work well (40(me) vs 50(her) at the time). The biggest problem? Taste in music!!!
Young women are the most attractive? Say it aint so!
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Yeah this is like that study they did on why prisoners try to escape prison. Completely unnecessary
they spent so much time to reverse or hide aging and then proceed to pretend to not understand this dynamic.
@@Exgrmblyep. Plastic surgery is at an all time high
About 12 years ago I worked on an event where a psychologist presented data from one of the big dating sites of the time, may also have been OK Cupid. It was all about which qualities are most desirable and for male users the single best quality in a female user was if they were smiling in their pictures. Not age or any broadly accepted beauty standards, just if they looked happy. The qualities that female users were looking for in potential male partners were income level and muscles. Particularly muscular shoulders.
So you can definitely look at data and say that certain metrics make men look bad, but there are also plenty of metrics that make women look bad as well. In all these cases it's important to think about the results in context. For example it might be the case that women are on these sites looking for fun so they go for superficial qualities, whereas men (who often have a harder time finding a partner) might be more likely to be looking for an actual long-term relationship.
what never ceases to amaze me is the number of women who list on their dating profile "just looking for friends", even on the dating section of a platform that also has a friendship section.
That's crazy, people look the most physically attractive at the peak of their youth, who would have thought?
Smart redheads, of course.
This is a much classier way of making the comment I was thinking.
Exactly what I thought as soon as I saw the title of this video. Great minds think alike! 😂
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I can’t deny it, it’s true.
With deep alluring voices. I agree.
Personally? 40 year old red-headed mathematicians
She said average
bruh
How very dare you 🤬
28 at most 🤔
yes please!
@@simonmorris-p7m, literally 40 years old. I checked (as I am sure tens of thousands of other men, and probably dozens of lesbians, did).
This listing reads. “Which women do men find most attractive? Hannah Fry.
Not just me then.
Right??
Don’t be gross.
It's the voice
@@Ludioticyeah, just stuff some socks in it. Job done.
@@r.giuliano Just saying he is attracted to her is gross? Well holy shit then.
When confronted with the truth, if it it doesn't meet your perception, deny and denigrate. Did your survey include Cougars or just debauched old men? There is graph for women's attraction to a man's wealth or status. Surveys are usually skewed to favor the results that the one paying for the survey wants.
Hannah, I could sit and listen to you for hours!!! Subscribed.
This video seems to be conflating two seperate questions. Initially you asked "How old do you like your partner to be?". Then you showed graph of "Age of the men/women who look best to him/her?".
It seems to me there would be no reason for the age you find most attractive to vary considerably as you age. However, that is a completely separate question to what age you prefer your partner.
Of course there is good reason to be attracted to older women as you age. You tend to spend more time with older women and you learn to be attracted to the people you know. Also, surely, an innate sense of decency kicks in.
@@davidmorgan6896 It's not decent to be attracted to younger people? What the hell is this attraction policing,
@@onewithham6747 Are you unfamiliar with the "creepy rule"? Of course it's disgusting to be attracted to someone much younger than yourself. That why the likes of Leonardo di Caprio and Peter String fellow are objects of ridicule.
Yes, I'd like to see how the question was worded. Are they asking about looks only, or overall appeal?
@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu As it's from OKCupid I doubt they are using survey data. They are somehow running analytics on what their users do. Probably huge data sets - when compared with surveys - and far more honest.
And as the lines never cross, it's a wonder we're still all here.
Lol. That's funny. They are *preferences* though. 20 year old women may be more attractive, but older women are still attractive. Most men aren't really that picky.
Well, men are happy to get what they can, and women settle.
I blame alcohol
It's a small sample set found on an internet website, not a genuine representation of most of the world.
It's also rating physical attractiveness and not who people would want to actually be in a relationship with. I'm not saying that men's preferences would snap to a y = x line (and I saw the okcupid data a long time ago, and I know that they didn't find that to be true) but it's a lot less vertical.
like I knew that was coming, but I wasn’t fully prepared for it to be a straight line down of THE YOUNGEST POSSIBLE AGE TO TRACK
No that would be 18 it’s more like 22
@@johnk6757 it’s charting 20-50 year olds, 20 is the youngest option
There's nothing surprising about this. You're not going to train, bully, shame or cajole people into finding someone attractive when they just don't see it. It is what it is.
OF COURSE men find 20-ish women most attractive - IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE. Without question, and fully accepted by virtually all (innately if not consciously) humans are the most attractive in that age range. It is, I very strongly assert, an inarguable fact.
It never ceases to amaze me the huge numbers of women who present as so smart and smug and superior to men, yet just CANNOT see how simple and straightforward we are.
We totally get how complicated you are - beyond me why so many women can't see the inverse.
P.S. Also, it's because male and female humans are genetically and anthropologically programmed to perceive 20-ish humans as the best candidates with whom to create strong, healthy offspring because at that age they are at their most fertile, are at peak physicality, and are most able to care for and defend the offspring.
How can someone who portends to be so smart not see that?
This does not apply to all men, just the type of men who are on Okcupid at an older age. The data is too narrow and skewed to be used in a generalized way. Love your channel and watch all the time! Thanks for making complex things easy to understand and doing it with a side of humor!
Keep telling yourself that..... maybe the cope will help
It's still very interesting. I can see how perhaps men who are mainly attracted to much younger women might have resistance to admitting it in a survey for instance. The app's data would seem to cut most of this factor out. Definitely would like to see a lot more data about the data though.
@@GumblethebearIt's critical analysis of the generalisability how is that a cope? Can tell you are not academically inclined if that's your first thought. YT comment moment.
@@Archive385it’s not rocket science, it’s biology. Why do you think men seem to prefer mainly 20-23 year olds?
I think there is something here, the men in their 50's who were using OkCupid at it's peak were the kind of men who were horny enough to overcome technical incompetence in order to use a dating app to meet women that were far too young for them.
At that time, about 10 years ago, most 50 year old men had barely even figured out Facebook yet, it was a very particular kind of man who is getting on OkCupid at 50 back in 2014. That said, these men still did exist, and are still a stark contrast to the 50 year old women who were far more normal in terms of the age of the partners they were looking at. I'm sure the data for all men is a bit more forgiving than the picture painted by these OkCupid stats, but I'm sure it's still rather bleak.
You can't argue with biology.
It's almost as if there's a relationship between sex and procreation.
@@hughoxford8735attraction is learnt.
@@davidmorgan6896 not really
But you can argue presentation
@@davidmorgan6896 It's both. As well as plenty of other variables. People talk in exclusionary terms too often. "Dogs don't have 4 legs. Dogs have tails!"
I wonder what men and women think of the physical attractiveness of their own sex, regardless of sexual preference. How many 40 year old women are going to make the claim that 40 year old Brooke Shields is more attractive than 20 year old Brooke Shields?
That’s a really interesting point! I’d be fascinated to see the answer.
Women don’t base their view of attractiveness just in looks, which explains the discrepancy.
If you asked women specifically who looked best, then you’d get different results
@@jameskowanko7574 Well that's just it, we don't know what they mean by "attractive" here, do we? And I think you're going to have a hard time finding too many beautiful women dating significantly less attractive men who don't have something else seriously in their favor (cash, power, fame, etc).
On the other hand, Bonnie Raitt was considerably hotter at 40 than at 20....
@@losttango, some women really do grow into their faces.
It's pretty simple. On an instinctual level, women desire men that look like they can be a provider/protector and they are more practical about this than men are because...... Men CAN NOT depend on women for provision/protection and men that try that are shunned by women. Since men are expected to take care, not only of themselves, but of the woman, what's in it for him? Youth, beauty, fertility. That's the bargain. I don't know how many times we're going to have to look at data like until women realize that 1. They are most valuable when they are young, beautiful and fecund. 2. They are trading sex for resources.
I can do men too. Men need to realize that 1. They are most valuable once they've become competent and essentially proved they can protect and provide. 2. They are trading resources for sex.
This isn’t rocket science. In terms of “attraction/desirability”: Women seek Physical Looks + Financial Benefits/Stability. Whereas men seek Physical Looks.
As a man in my 40s, I would NOT want to have a conversation with most ladies in the 20s. Let alone date any of them. Almost nothing in common.
"conversation"?
Nobody takes dating sites that seriously (...besides women apparently)
As a man un my fifties, I totally agree with you.
Then you're talking to the wrong 20 year olds. Go talk to a 20 year old uni student in a research library.
@@Avantime still pass lol
I see Hannah, I click.
I am yet to be disappointed.
Hannah always makes me smile, with her saucy innuendoes. I'd like a date with her. That could be fun.
@@russbetts1467 what makes you think she'd like a date with you?
The last seconds of the vids are the best. There's something lovely about smart people getting frustrated.
This is her channel, brother
@@guinea_horn teehee yeah you’re right. My comment seems silly now!
This is titled "Which women do men find most attractive? Hannah Fry". The answer is in the question...........
Did she just virtue shame men's sexual preferences? Men consistently liking younger women is "problematic" to her (as if she discovered America). But young women lying about their attraction for monetary gains and when hitting the wall themselves realizing that looks and being young matter is not a problem at all.
Tell me that you don't understand men in 1:19 minutes.
EXACTLY.
Bingo
That's not her opinion though, she's just showing us the data.
@@RobManser77 She doesn't understand the data she is seeing. Otherwise we wouldn't have this video.
But let’s be honest, the actual reality is that most men just take what they can get.
YUP! Hehe!
any hole is a goal 👍😎
Pass. Too many losers like that.
that's 90 percent of men
How many men marry the first woman they have sex with? I know of many.
It's called biology
Yep, more precisely... fertility.
@@Zuluknob women Don't have a different fertility until their late 30s.
There's a lot of old women here are beyond livid and bitter about men wanting younger women when really, it's all just biology. And they're like "Oh you're a predator" like seriously come on...
@@yalrdyknow It's not "just biology". Biology is about creating random variation. Society does the programming. People act differently in crowds than alone.
It’s also called “misleading presentation”. The video isn’t even two minutes long
Sorry, ma'am, but this is natural human biology. Women have a finite number of fertile eggs in their life. The number of eggs drops precipitously after mid 20s, concluding with menopause when their fertility basically ends. Men can retain fertility for their entire lives. We are hard wired to recognize the physical traits of the most fertile women. It doesn't mean older women can't be attractive, it just means that the average woman's peak attractiveness is at a different time in their lives than men, which also makes sense because human females mature faster than males.
Women see no problem with leading on guys their age and passing them up for older men who have more financial stability, but when the shoe is on the other foot and men are passing up older women for younger women, suddenly they have a problem with the arrangement.
Hannah need to accept she is no longer in her prime
You only have four videos!? You are a delight! I hope there will be more.
I hate to break it to you hen but this has been universally known for centuries.
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Cope.
When I was 27 I married a 23 year old. We are 63 and 59 now but in our heads still 27 and 23....growing old is compulsory growing up is not 😁
I'm 76 and still a Naughty Schoolboy, with a wild imagination. I'm also Autistic, which probably helps. I'd like to be naughty with Hannah... or Alice Roberts.
True, my wife is 9 years younger than me (and always will be!) I'm 69 now (how did that happen?) but I'm still 25 between the ears!
@@zebo-the-fat How old were you when you married? Because if it was 25, then she was just 16.
@@FrietjeOorlog She was 28, I was 37 - second time for both of us, now approaching our 36 year anniversary (you learn by your mistakes!)
@@zebo-the-fatAP must be fun!
As I got older I find older women more attractive, can appreciate an attractive younger woman, like one can appreciate an attractive plant or architecture but honestly, around my own age group is more appealing.
Don't give up hope Hannah, you've got a lot going for you.
It's not exactly surprising that men think young women are the most attractive, which is what they were (apparently) being asked. They weren't being asked what age of woman they would like to be in a relationship with.
Not sure why it would surprise anyone that men preferred women before they become miserable, humourless and stroppy - ie middle aged.
As the philosopher Mick Jagger says, you can't always get what you want.
Those two charts are completely opposite of each other. The one with the women choosing the men close to their own age is the ones looking for a relationship. The chart about men is the one men attracted to completely different charts. Ask any man.
Yep women look for love, we look for lust. It’s our job to sow our seed whenever and wherever.
perfect! 👍🏼✌🏼🖖🏼
also, I think what that data is telling us is that men who go to dating services - at least that one - are looking for available women in their 20s. If they were looking for more age-appropriate dates I’d guess they may well be looking elsewhere.
This is the graph of how they rated the photos. The data from number of messages sent shows men trying to date women closer to their own age.
As always with statistics it's very important how you formulate the question.
Guess, the question was formulated were superficially so that guys were lured into the 20-22 years answer.
In my experience, guys have a more broad view of what they truly find attractive.
(e.g. low weight is not always good and much more)
There was no question. These numbers came from the actions people took when selecting people they liked and wanted to date on an online dating site.
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As a guy, it makes perfect sense why younger women are considered more attractive. But I don’t think I’d want to have a serious relationship with someone considerably younger than me.
you would if you got the chance
I would love to, the issue is that she'd have so many options and so many years of youth ahead of her that she's far less likely to be interested in any relationship, never mind a serious/longterm one, with an older man. Logically a young partner is better in every way, except for money/wealth acquisition, and perhaps ideology.
The graphs were for "finds attractive" not "wanting to date".
If you date a woman in their early twenties the only thing she will have to say is "i don't know", you can ask her what her interests are, what she thinks of politics, or anything else, the answer is "i don't know".
If date a woman in there late twenties or early thirties, they will have developed opinions.
If the date a woman mid thirties onwards they want to talk to you about your career until the point when they have satified themselves that you can financially support them.
As a 49 year old man, i would prefer to date the women who have opinions and are able to think.
Overly simplistic. Many women in their early 20s are intelligent, great to talk to, and usually nice to look at. The problems dating one, even if they were interested in you, come down to impracticality. Chances are they want to be out doing things people their age do, hanging out with friends their age, etc. Stuff you probably stopped doing 10+ years ago and now look and feel out of place doing. Then there'll be the judgement from their friends, family and people in the street. They're at a different stage of life!
This is data from an online dating site where you choose people based on pictures. It's pretty much the same thing.
Who you find most attractive does not mean who you want to have a relationship with. Men and women use completely different language. It's crazy.
"looking most attractive" and "who you'd want to be in a meaningful relationship with" are two different things
no they are not
Looks are not everything@@kipkipper-lg9vl
Ok to be nice about this:
Statistically speaking, 20 year old women are about as young, thin, attractive as they're ever going to be (in the context of dating)
Men like positive youthful energy, high energy, less experience in life (more specifically less life beating them down) , less mentally screwed up , less baggage and women who can have children... women in their later 30s, 40, 50, 60 are obviously rarely any of those things...and the opposite to everything above is not often attractive
I wanted women in their 20s when I was 20...im 37 and the ideal age range hasn't changed because the human biology of a woman hasnt.
To paraphrase a movie: "That's the great thing about 20-year-olds, as I get older they stay the same age."
If that's you 'being nice' I'd hate to see you being nasty
@@elbee909, oh you sweet summer child.
Did you take down your video on women initially thinking men are ugly or whatever? Why? I'm a man and I thought it was funny...
I saw a video that disappeared. Apparently, facts about women''s preferences are too controversial, but trying to make guys out to be creeps is cool.
Women: 6 feet, 6 figures, 6 pack
@@yalrdyknow How about 2 out of 3? 😁
As a 50 plus man I can confirm. However I also find smart women attractive.
Yes. I prefer women with their brains between their ears.
That's the horrible dichotomy. Most men our age want a woman with the body of a fit 18 year old but with the mind and intellect of a well travelled woman in her 50s. It's an impossible dream! 😆
And the fact that 50 plus year old men are completely invisible to any women under the age of 30
@derekspitz9225 Most men of any age just want a woman with the body of a fit 18 year old with a pretty face. Smartness is a plus point, but it's not as crucial. Men just want nice sex. If it wasn't for the sake of chancing upon good sex, why bother going through the trouble at all.
@@derekspitz9225 I can confirm your supposition. I'll add in mature, grounded, spiritual, traditional (for me), loyal and feminine. Things that are only generally available in very small slices of the female population out there. With the freshness of a youthful body. Tall order; virtually impossible.
The question was attractiveness, not who you'd want a relationship with. You assumed the latter, as I'd imagine many women did
Exactly. I wouldn't want a relationship with a woman who couldn't remember the "Queen of Soul." But objectively speaking, I wouldn't call her more attractive than a beautiful 20-year-old.
18-25 is when women are most fertile... Thats why.
EXACTLY.
uhuh okay what
@@ruenvedder5921 The reason why men find young women to be the most attractive, is because they are biologically programmed to want the most fertile mate. Fairly straightforward
15-25
That’s not why.
Believe me a man’s preferences can change drastically when they meet someone who likes them.
nah, man are just lazy and usually end up accepting a deal far from an ideal one if that's the only deal in town.
That's a truism I heard long ago - "Usually the most attractive thing about a person is that they find you attractive."
You, Dr Fry, you.
Biology doesnt really care for statistics for this point. Women tend to reach their peak in terms of fertility at around 23 or so, and motherhood at around 32. Men are biologically predisposed to be attracted to that age because of the desire to procreate.
Women tend to look for similar ages because of the need to have someone to be a companion in looking after those kids.
Obviously there will be outliers, people going for bigger age differences, but they really are outliers.
Trying to hold men to modern standards created by society isnt enough to overcome millions of years of evolution. 😅
Yeah, the whole rage bait over supposdely *creepy men* for something that's pretty hard-wired (and evolutionarily sensible) is a bit wild.
Well said. Modern Society, since the advent of Feminism, has skewed the world against men in general, as evident by anti-Social Media dating apps. That has now back-fired against women, as they are now complaining about being 30 -somethings and 'Left-on-the-Shelf', because men don't want other men's 'cast-offs'.
@@man0utoftime Well said. So much for Women's Liberation - a good thing in my book - and Feminism, which is anything but. Women wanted to be liberated, but the Brainwashing they have been subjected to since the rise of Feminism during the past 40-odd years, has failed to Educate them about the 'Facts-of-Life'. Generally speaking, men don''t want scrawny females as wives and as for 'Fat-is-a-Feminist-Issue'... The mind boggles. Any woman who truly believes that men like fat women, is deluding herself. They are usually vain and self-centred... and generally UN-healthy.
Still really gross and creepy even if biology determined. Woman in my 40s so maybe I am cut I am not an attractive person anymore.
peak fertility is more like 16 but whatever
Age shaming men, how original
LMAO FUCK SOMEONE YOUR OWN AGE
This is like the older (30+) p*rn stars who want to raise the p*rn age to 21+. They claim to want to "help" younger women (18-20), but they really don't like the competition. Men wanting more fertile younger women is about nature and species survival. It is as simple as that.
Yet more proof men are HONEST and see reality for WHAT IT IS..
If you were to swap out the question with a PLANT...and you were to ask, at what stage in development is the PLANT most beautiful?..it is when the plants flowers are in full BLOOM(and certainly not WITHERED before winter)..
The same is for humans..
And it doesn't matter if you are 20 year old, 5 year old or a 100 year old man....they will view reality for WHAT IT OBJECTIVELY IS
Of course 20 year old women are more attractive than 47 year olds. How is that contentious ?
This is a surprise? In other shocking news women generally find rich men more attractive spouses and, in a study by Harvard, water was found to be wet.
“So what first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?” Mrs Merton to Debbie MacGee.
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I met my partner when she was 38 and I was 36, which about matches that chart. On the flip side when I used dating apps I had, on more than one occasion, women become aggressive stating I hadn't put my height on my profile and they were upset they'd wasted time on someone 172cm tall. This is just picking which double standard you want to be upset about.
Two of the happiest relationships/marriages I know, are between a shorter man and taller woman. As they say, they are the same height in bed.
Was the complaint when they met you, or did they ask your height before meeting in person?
I ask because 172 is a pretty normal height for a man and would mean you're still significantly taller than most women. Complaining that a man is 172 cm tall is the sort of thing I'd expect people to do much more online than in person.
@@SandymoorFerrariClub actually both. Apparently it's 1 inch below average height but there is the same data, the same as age in this video, that women on dating apps have a skewed preference on height that's well above average.
I just view it as a bullet dodged as atleast they showed their true colours straight away
@@russbetts1467I'm certainly only sizeist because of women online. Id actually not give a shit if she was taller but they do so
Of course the natural response is "Well you didn't put your weight."
The results are pretty skewed due to the fact that okcupid is 18+ 😉
Are you related to Philip J Fry by any chance?
Peak SMV for women is 23: for men it is 35-40. Biology runs the show. Men want women who can produce children: women want men who can provide. Paleolithic biology runs the show.
exactly
I'd be interested to know what the equivalent figures look like for same sex attraction. And the context of the answers, too - are these the people that men actually expressed an interest in dating, or were they literally asked about "the age of the women who look best to them" as the table says?
It's a good point, do fit rich gay men in their teens and 20s want to pair up with poor obese gay men in their 60s and 70s? unlikely, but I'm damned sure it works the other way around.
I don't think you'd be allowed to post the findings of that one...
Yeah I think that would not be allowed given what I know from my gay male friends and basically all of history 😂😂😂
as 33 yo guy who desire yougn woman. Its just about sex
*Quietly pops head into room*
That's just men compensating for all the women stretching the truth with their age.
*Quickly runs away*
Yes, there seems to be an over abundance of 29 year-old women on these apps.
Shots fired....
Women wouldn't bother with that if it didn't make them more desirable. Men of all ages like young women because they have a longer available fertility window than older women (if they have any left at all). It's that simple and men shouldn't be expected to apologise for it any more than women should be expected to apologise for what is naturally attractive to them.
Men may feel young enough to satisfy a younger woman, but as they age they become wise enough to know better.
and get the appropriate prescriptions :P
The thumb nail answers that question!!
The fact that you find this so objectionable is very silly. Clearly men and women have *evolved* to fit these patterns. Men have *evolved* to find young women more attractive. It's not some kind of moral failing on their part, it's natural.
We are so divorced from reality today that we’ve lost our understanding of what sex and attraction are for… which is making babies. Men at all ages find women in their young 20s as the most attractive because they’re the most capable of getting pregnant and raising a child.
Pre-menopausal women who are still full of “make a baby!” hormones find older men most attractive because those men are most capable of protecting and providing for them if they are vulnerable while pregnant or with a small child.
The real kicker is the studies that have shown how many men women do not find physically attractive, but how some men can gain in attractiveness the more a woman gets to know him.
Why is this? Because the tall, strong, very masculine guy is viewed as having the best genes, so women want that guy at a primal level and will easily have one-night stands with such men. Why? Because the baby-making hormones are screaming “Get impregnated by this man!” even if their conscious brain isn’t even wanting children (remember, until less than 100 years ago, sex = pregnancy most of the time). This factor is even more elevated when a woman is ovulating.
Why do women find some men more attractive when they get to know them? Because they learn that those men can be providers and protectors. The tall/dark/handsome guy is seen as capable of being a protector, but maybe not committed to protecting them. The other guy, whose genes might be good enough, gets their attention if he’s willing to commit to providing and protecting for them.
That being said, barring any sort of higher brain loyalty (religion, general moral character, etc.), many women, if given the opportunity, will cheat with the tall/dark/handsome guy. They might not be consciously thinking of getting pregnant by him, but if they do get knocked up, they get the benefit of the better genes for their kid while having that kid protected and provided for by the guy who’s not the dad, but thinks he is.
That’s the main difference between men cheating and women cheating. Both are a betrayal in a relationship, but a woman’s cheating is even worse, as a man can be led to believe that a child is his when it’s not. Never does a man cheating result in a woman being tricked into raising a child that she thinks is hers but isn’t.
That’s how we’re made dude. What should we do, just change what we like? Through sheer force of will?
I don't disagree but we manage to overcome our nature 'through sheer force of will' in plenty of other aspects of life.
I just don't see why we should. I don't like the idea that we 'couldn't' if we wanted to :)
woman wont change the desire for man to be tall. Why would we change desire for young woman ?
I'm a 47 year old man. And I disagree with the data. Would I jump into bed with a 20 year old? Yes.
Would I date one? No. They live in completely different worlds, have completely different priorities.
A realistic age for a serious relationship would be someone in their early to mid 30's.
When I was 17 I looked at her face, when I was 27 I looked fir someone who kept herself fit.
By 30 I was looking for the exit and avoiding women whenever possible.
It's a strange culture, the only thing men can do is check out and wait for it to collapse.
I am only 23 but i don't really see why anything would change. It's probably a little bit like Nostalgia. There are features you've come to love that will shape you going into the future.
I dated women from early 20's up to my age until I turned 45. I kept going back to women in their early 20's simply because they were fun, appreciative, kept themselves up, and acted feminine. The 25-30 year old women I dated just wanted to party on your dime and didn't want to commit. The 30-45 year old women I dated got bitter, complained about everything, demanded everything, and let themselves go. The older they got, the more they whined about their inability to attract a worthy mate, the earlier in the conversion they started asking about having kids because their clock was running out. They didn't have time to waste if you weren't into having a kid with them by the second date. Not a great time on a date. At 45 I finally met a 45 year old Italian women who was raised on a ranch. She was fun, appreciative, and kept herself up along with being very feminine. Married 20 years now.
I'm glad they didn't end up with a guy like you. You sound bland for how demanding you present.
Also the girls in their 20 were probably acting all agreeable BC of their daddy issues, which they usually overcome as they get older. Then you actually have to earn people's respect, which is too much to ask
survivor bias. the non-whiny, attractive ones who have their shit together are off the market by age 30.
Well, dating woman within the range of 35 to 40 brought me back to sanity and to never ever date a woman again. May my money rot until eternity, I will not wast it for that.
Sweety, saying guys and shaking your head means nothing if it's science! It goes deeper than your precious feelings.
😂 True.
I just burst out laughing when you showed the mens graph. I was not expecting it to be that bad! Haha!
Why is it bad?
@@bdnnijs192, biology bad because emotions.
Note that a man who chose a younger woman is basically choosing someone with top fecundity, a woman choosing a older man is choosing someone who survived longer than her , or with a better status. Both are objectivisation of some sort,and the age is only one criteria of a roughless selection process."all is fair in love and war."
This actually made me laugh out loud. Thank you!
Younger woman are objectively the most attractive, men are just honest about this.
Boll0x. There is nothing objective about attraction and not all men are attracted to young women.
Brother eeeww. I'm in my late 20s and a teacher. When I look at a 20 year old woman, I see someone who is just months older than my students. I would never find someone who I know struggles so much with becoming an adult attractive. And I can't be the only one. How can you not make that link if you know any young people?
@@Manfred_Messerof course, another bitter female calling men incels. Face it, it's biology. Females are attracted to wealth and men are attracted to younger. Keep staying triggered though, late at night it haunts you how nobody wants you lolz. 😂😂
@@davidmorgan6896 There's logical reasons why men would/should be attracted to younger women, and the fact the data shows this makes it an objective reality. Yes, there's all sorts of outliers and kinks. Emotional attachment can warp anyone's perspective on an individual, or even their general preferences in time. The reason older men pursue relationships with women who aren't 18-21 is simply a result of supply and demand. There aren't enough 18-21 year old women to satisfy the demand, and the ones there are have so much choice, they could pretty much go up to any man in the street married or not and take him back to a hotel room if they wished, that nobody except the most attractive men to them are in with a chance.
@@Manfred_Messer It's great you've imposed this weird 'disgust' reaction on your innate drives. It will protect people from going 'ew' at you for trying to pursue such women. That's the only rational reason for it though. Those young women who are 'struggling so much with becoming an adult' are innately attractive because of their physical (and mental) qualities. The only thing to fear is that because they are still young they are prone to changing their desires/personalities more significantly than older people tend to. But so what?
We're all just Leonardo DiCaprio.
I’m not
@@neilporter6908 The people that claim they aren't are often exactly the ones that are.
There's a lot of extremely homophobic gay people as well.
Yes, we are... minus the money and the interesting career.😂
hes just like us but hes in the small % of man who actually can pull up their desires
Fortunately not. Good riddance to that genetic dead-end.
A few days ago I had a similar conversation with a group of colleagues.
I'm in my 40s and take good care of myself, I'm very active, hit the gym, play sports, etc. Having said that, I'm slower, weaker, have more wrinkles and more grey hair than when I was 30. I'm an engineer and I was also sharper in my late 20s and early 30s.
In my mind, any woman that likes me today should like way more my younger version. I'm worse in every way (except I have more money today).
The other way around also make sense to me, If I like a woman in her 40s today... I'm definitely going to like her younger self, isn't it?
I really have a problem trying to understand the other point of view... I guess ite shows the difference between men and women.
That's a sensible way to look at it. I feel a similar way when I think about it. The only areas I've gotten better are my pocket book and my attitude and experiences to some extent. I'm a bit more laid back and not as 'pressed' as I was when I was younger, which also has some downsides
Clue is in "I have more money".
DING DING DING "I have more money today"
Women view money the way men view youth. The more of it the other person has, the better the chance of having successful offspring. Biology always wins.
@@MattyPanda Oh please. Pretending women aren't even more shallow. 80% of women only contact the top 10% of men on the same apps. Every woman wants a rich man as much as every man wants a young woman.
Sure, we want OTHER THINGS too, but if you're comparing 2 similar people, women will always prefer the richer man and men will always prefer the younger woman.
Almost as if biology tells us what we find attractive because it is 100% best to engender the continuation of the species.
Most of that is true, but I would not have liked some character traits of my younger self.
Telling that your reaction to this phenomenon is to morally judge men. Don't hate the player(s), hate the game.
I could sort of see where this was going, and it still made me laugh. So what you will about men, but at least we are consistent!
I am 26yrs Hardcore Hetero male and I like 30-35yrs old women. Is something wrong with me? 😅
As long as you can keep it up and make them happy, that's all they want from you. Keep on doing what you're doing and making your part of the Universe a happy place.
You're looking at women past their best by date.
you just have ur taste im 33 and i prefer woman aged 18-23
Nope
I do believe the thumbnail is the answer to that question.
i blame Darwin
Not Darvin, evolution.
He fancied his cousin, married her.
@@danielreed5199 Nothing wrong with that. A mate of mine's parents were first cousins. And my best mate and his first cousin were shagging for years in their late teens and twenties.
Wow, the statistics have just drawn the wall. Amazing.
As a 54 old man I can confirm. Women are at their peak beauty between 20-28, a but depending in genetics and style. Unfortunately I find almost no woman attractive in my age group, with very few exceptions. 😢i wish it was different tbh. I do find you, Hannah attractive though. 😊
Many will not like this answer, but almost everyone knows why. Fertility. Men are generally fertile well into their seventies. Women are generally fertile into their late forties, but risky pregnancies develop at 35. We are programmed to procreate.
Many will also not like to hear this either: advanced paternal age, especially after 35, is associated with increased risks for autism, intellectual disabilities, and mental illness. So then just because a man can father children at 70, doesn't mean that he _should._ We're "programmed" (read: conditioned) for a lot of things; it doesn't mean they will all help us at all times, now and forever. We have come as far as we have not because of any base drive to procreate, but because of our capacity to want more for ourselves than what was in the cards we were dealt by nature. Without it, we'd be no better off than animals in a stable.
@@mx248 I definitely don't think a man should procreate at 70. I think a man should marry a woman in his early to mid 20s, have a few children in their 20s and 30s, then enjoy tbeir grandchildren in their 40s-60s,, and their great-grandchildren in their 70s and above.
@@2099EKI'm not marrying before 30. Got other things to do
@@Orca_mammal Whether your male or female, iIf you want kids, you'll want them when you're younger rather than older. If you're female, you'll find your choices of mate in your 30s will be slimmer than your 20s.
Jealousy and bitterness masquerading as "you should know better, guys." Imagine telling hot young women, who are into badboys, rockstars, drug dealers and other degenerates that their attraction is 'wrong'. Young, stable, responsible guys who don't want women after they've racked up a body count of 100 chads are just as bitter as women over 30 because the targets of their attraction are indifferent to them at best.
With that accent & flowing red locks, I bet you were a real stunner when you were 21!
She's a stunner now!
@@stefeniedavidmusic We have determined the age of “stunning” through communal consciousness but the sammich has been invented so we can be made to look away.
What do we do when we hit the wall? Blaming men for having their one standards! 🎉
It's not that we're pervs, Hannah. It's that people don't take care of themselves and by the time they hit 35 most women (in the US, at least) tend to have let themselves go. Most, but not all, obviously. There are some seriously beautiful 35+ year old women out there. A beautiful woman with some life experience is obviously more attractive than a 20-year-old.
Hi Hanna. I like my women educated and intelligent. Within reason, age is irrelevant, but as a man of 76 years, I find that once women reach their 50's they have a tendency to start losing interest in things that don't involve their families. Specifically, their children and grandchildren. They also tend to look for partners who are prepared to sit and watch Soap Operas with them, instead of going out and enjoying their lives. Women who have lost their original partners through death or divorce, also tend to avoid men; especially older men... as evident by the graph. Many older women won't look at a man who is over the age of 55. Why? Men who seek younger women, are men who still feel young at heart and don't want to settle for Cocoa and Slippers, in front of the TV. A younger woman also gains worldly experience from a relationship with an older man, especially if she's not in a hurry to settle down, get married and have kids. I talk from personal experience. A friend and I are both Autistic, with high IQ's and frequently discuss the women on TV we'd like to have a relationship with. That includes you and Alice Roberts. In particular, we both like your saucy innuendoes and wicked twinkle in your eye. You even make this item very saucy. Shame you're a happily married woman, as I'd like to spend some time with you. Sigh! Hey Ho! P.S. No, I've never married, as I had no inclination to be a father... which is what usually killed my relationships, as I am unable to supply the emotional security they demand; however, that doesn't stop me enjoying the brief relationships I have with younger women, many of whom are University students and Graduates. At my age, platonic relationships - or limited intimacy - are acceptable, as I have nothing to prove in the bedroom. i.e. I know I'm a man. Onwards and UPwards! Russ. Hampshire.
Don't quote me here, but I think Hannah has actually recently divorced. I reckon you're in there Russ!
@@paulwilson6357 I should be so lucky! If wishes were reality... Trouble is, there must be hundreds of men out there, who have the Hots for Hannah and have a far better chance than I, of getting an invitation to her bedroom.
That's the long way of saying that aging women are boring. I like to get right to the point.