FIRST REACTION to THE WARNING DUST TO DUST (STUDIO vs LIVE)
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- PLEASE WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO!! THESE YOUNG WOMEN ARE EPIC BUT THE RECORD COMPANY ETC MESSED WITH THEIR LIVE VOCALS AND IT PISSED ME OFF!!! LUCKILY, I FOUND AN UNALTERED PERFORMANCE AND FELL IN LOVE!!!!!!
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Some of these comments are hilariously ironic. Criticizing him for something you are doing. He never said she wasn't doing it, couldn't do it, or any of that. What he is saying in the beginning is correct. He points out her talent and that editing the audio in that way wasn't necessary and took away from the live feel of the performance and her talent to begin with. You don't put someone in the same sentence as Phil Collins and Don Henley and it be a negative critique. He quite literally says, "I'm not saying she is lip singing". So before you criticize someone for not knowing what they are talking about or to do research how about actually finishing the video first, number one, and two, understand what he is actually saying. Practice what you preach kids.
True True ... I watched it over and over to finally agree with him on what it is he is saying. Very clever how Michael Angelini has explained the process ... and I finally know Why I've always enjoyed the CMX unedited live version‼
To mention EAGLES drummer Henley and Pau together is telling TW & Fans how great these sisters 🧡
Listen again ✔🤘👍🏻🇦🇺🇦🇺😎
Lol and I have done multiple reactions to them and praise them more and more
Preach.✊
@@OldSkuleNerd They are a lot of fun and very talented. Between them and Band-Maid my old Polk Monitors are getting new life. I listened to "Just Bring It" by Band Maid & "Queen of the murder scene" by The Warning end to end last night and both are pretty complete albums. The latter is more of a concept/story; both rock in different ways.
Fuck everybody does post production work . We are not stupid deal with it
Paulina is that good. There are only a few drummer/singer including Phil Collins, Don Henley, Karen Carpenters but Paulina in my opinion is on a level above. And she has been at this level since she is 13-14 years old. Hard to believe but if you have been following The Warning as long as some of us Warning Army you will know that there is nothing "fake" or "artificial" about these girls. They are the best band I've heard in years.
5,800 feet is the difference between the first and second video. First video is in Monterrey, Mexico at an elevation of 1,500 feet which is where they live. It was also recorded almost a year later. The second video is at 7,300 feet above sea level, the altitud of Mexico City where that second video was shot at. Pau still kills her vocals and drumming 90 minutes into this performance at this altitude. How? She practices singing while exercising. That plus her being an alien. 😜
I am with you 100%. This is a world class LIVE band. I prefer their live performances to the studio albums, as the studio has yet to capture how dynamic they are.
Yeah, it's not as dynamic.
I was a hard rock drummer in my 20s. One of our guitar players sang lead in the first half of the set. Then I sang the 2nd half of our set while playing drums. And we played Boston, Foreigner, Def Leppard, and R.E.O. Speedwagon, just to name a few. So, I'm living proof that it can be done. And I've seen others do it as well.
Despite of you having a point, they do it to improve the performance, i had the chance to see them live at Argentina, there is not post production, mixing or whatever, they use a backup track adding some guitar, piano o second voices... keep in mind that when they perform those concert The Warning didnt have a record label, they do it by themself (and Rudy) by pateron.
Then You are lucky I look forward to getting a chance to see them live and bring my three daughters to see these amazing women
Damn dude, you are right. Had not noticed this before. But it still doesn't take away the fact that Paulina does an exceptional job singing while playing. I would refer you to their Lunario CDMX videos. Pau sings several songs and there is no post-production editing.
Edited: after reviewing the official video from TW site (that is the full concert) and compared with the fan uploaded version of just this song I say they are the same. I am quite sure the audio is the live version but it is mixed out to sound similar to the album version. The Warning had full control of their QOTMS album... and they also had full say themselves on the concert video... they did not have a record label at that time. Only funds from Kickstarter and Patreon. They have never been anything else than true to their craft... well,. the Dust to Dust from Foro Didi is their own recording, they released it themselves... same with the album but as you know they are using backtracks even live but I agree that it sound more polished vs the Lunario version... maybe over-produced audio but I’m quite sure it is audio uptake from the concert...
My entire first half of the reaction was in praise of these ladies LIVE and whoever edited the video upset me so I watched a raw live performance on the second half of the video and proclaimed them the best power trio in rock today period....
@@OldSkuleNerd you so did... power trio they are. I had just not paid attention to the audio quality of Foro Didi before. Many prefer the Foro Didi version but I am for the Lunario one and I had not paid attention to why before now, I’ve always said it because it was then first time playing QOTMS in its full live but as I see your view now I tend to agree with you about the audio. Hey in all this discussion about sound... did you get that Dust to Dust is a prologue to the story that is in 13 songs following a character who is going from obsession, frustration, madness to the end in her search for the unreturned love she has for her victim? Quite strong concept album... the guy talking is Rudy, their manager, giving a sermon at the funeral of the character and this song is in the story the last in timeline though first on the album... they released the album in four chapters with this song first and thereafter 3 songs each with about two weeks in between in preparation for the Lunario concert... telling you that this was quite a way to launch an album
@TeeSpicerMusic 2200 meters above sea level or 7300 feet.
My calm suggestion to you is to watch an interview that Fil from Wings of Pegasus did with THE WARNING! He explained it first, then they answered every question about the back track (which, as he put it, not every good band knows how to use), the click usage, and whatever more you might be "upset", "angry", disappointed about. All that wasted emotion! For what! This band of sisters aren't hiding anything, aren't misrepresenting anything, they're just being themselves! You might watch some of the other reactors that give them kudos on their "advanced" stage setups, concert and/or in their "cave" setting! Chill!
They were talking about the click track.
He isn't talking about a backing track. He literally states he has no problem with backing tracks. The video from Foro has the studio version of Dust to Dust dubbed in. That's his issue.
So who did the foro didi concert? Whas it an official release by the warning?
Subscribed because of your honesty and showing respect to the band at the same time. At 14:40 he says, "That's how you are supposed to sound when you are an epic drummer and sing like an angel". Also, I found out about this awesome band from this channel. Thank you very much sir!
I 100% agree with you, the mixing is not neccessary.. They are awsome enough as they are..
Edit: Yeah they added the preacher, which was done by their manager. This is why i prefer the Lunario concert, this sounds too polished.
Mic pop in the actual live video
It’s amazing what people don’t pay attention to. Absolutely spot on with who ever produced that dvd video whatever it was. Piecemeal of live and album versions in attempt to make it sound perfect. Live is imperfect which is the character and reason we love seeing bands live
What I hate most about modern music is the polished nature of everything. I just saw a reaction to Pau singing Creep and the reactor said that her slight imperfections were what makes it perfect! I love it!
It's a backing track. Simple as that. I understand what you're saying and I agree with it. But in this situation, she's singing along with a backing track.
I also like the Lunario video as well (2nd video). Thanks for the honest reaction and insights. The Warning is a great band and I'm looking forward to your next reaction to this band. New subscriber here. 🤘😎
Oh they are on my list of favorites
I'll bet most of the negative comments were written during the first 10 minutes of this video and not after watching the whole thing...
Scroll up or down to Tom Karachi’s comment that’s exactly what he did told me to watch other performances before I pass judgment lol DUDE I did watch another live one IN THE REACTION and couldn’t stop praising how amazing they are.... LOL IN THE WORDS OF THE NIGHTWISH AND SABATON ARMIES “watch all the way to the end!!!!”
@@OldSkuleNerd I'm so glad you did this video. I've said it over and over. Foro Di Di concert (which this is cut from) has post production audio. I would get shut down immediately. Thanks.
@@OldSkuleNerd Yes, you'll see a couple premature reactions from me too... Doh!!! Anyway I did appreciate your analysis and reaction and look forward to more...
LOL! I thought you were hating....I'm glad I watch till the end...100% Agree.
Amazing! You explained it in a way that your not bashing the group, but bashing the mixing and editing. You're right! Everyone listening can hear and see what you are explaining. I agree with you, they are an AMAZING BAND that doesn't need anything extra. And you can hear the authentic, organic sound in their other concerts and live recordings. Very good video! Thank you for your explanations. I still LOVE THE WARNING!
The second video is from the Lunario in Mexico City -- altitude 7350 ft. Try drumming and singing at that altitude. In this video the girls are only 18, 16 and 13! The click track helps with timing while adding a few elements like piano (played by Pau the drummer). Dany, the guitarist is the primary singer but Pau sings a few songs. This performance was the debut of the entirety of their second album and was performed with enormous energy and passion, but yes they struggled with the altitude at times. The first video was recently released and I was as puzzled as you. Why do this when the originals at Lunario, Foro Didi, and the Whiskey are far better? The 2017 TEDx is my favorite performance done when they were 16, 14, and 12. Thanks for the reaction/analysis.
my negative comments WERE NOT ABOUT THE BAND or their abilities I feel the post production was not needed!!! leave the audio alone we want to hear them unmixed they are AMAZING LIVE
oh I just finished a reaction to the TED TALK IT IS AMAZING!!!!
@@OldSkuleNerd If you did the 2017 performance that first song "Unmendable" is my favorite. That 14-year-old drummer killed those drums! The last song "Survive" is frequently the first song reactors see. That was a good example of the piano piece subtly added in the backing track.
@@OldSkuleNerd Oh man I hope its Survive, this the song that made me look for more videos of TW, now I support them on Patreon and cannot go a day without listening to them 😎😁🤟
@@MusicLover-TW YEP AND ITS LIVE FOR YOU!!!!!
Yes they use backing tracks, so does every other rock band in history. Obviously none of the girls sound like a middle aged preacher man. Their is fan shot video and other recordings that show Paulina singing and drumming without issue. She has been working on that for years. I do believe you are right about the audio overlay and that is unfortunate, as it give the naysayers ammo. OH FYI This was not shot for a DVD, it was released as a Patreon reward then to TH-cam. All of their content prior to Sept 2020 was all fan funded and independently produced by the band. Aug., 2020 they had signed their first recording contract with Lava Records.
It was cool to point out your suspicions but to keep harping on got kinda tiring...
Oops. I guess I should have watched the whole video but you get my point. Glad to see we are all on the same page now. I ended up really enjoying your analysis by the way...
There is a you tube video of an interview of the girls explaining their early life. In that interview Pau states that while taking drum lessons she was taught to sing while drumming because it's very difficult. Other people have commented on no drum sound bleeding into her mic.
Knowing the second vid was also shot at high altitude and they were struggling with thin air makes it even more epic
En realidad los "en vivo" (live) los hacen con un track de acompañamiento que esta sincronizado con el vídeo que se muestra en las pantallas de fondo. Ese track tiene grabados algunos instrumentos que no podrían tocarse en vivo, como violines u otras riff de guitarra, y algunas voces de coros. Si miras el vídeo del concierto completo te vas a dar cuenta que Pau, antes de que comience una canción da un golpe con su baqueta a un dispositivo que tiene a un lado de su HitHat, ese golpe activa el clip de vídeo de la canción que van a tocar. En una entrevista o mini-documental de su canal de TH-cam ha mencionado que a veces en los conciertos Danny le pide que toquen canciones que no está en su Playlist y las tocan. Eso no quiere decir que NO toquen ni canten en vivo, yo he estado en sus conciertos y en ocasiones se notan desafinaciones, respiraciones entrecortadas o que las notas que cantan son mas cortas. Incluso en ese vídeo del concierto completo en el LUNARIO o en el DiDi, también he notado que desafinan o que cortan algunas notas de la canción. Esta canción que tu estas analizando, Dust To Dust, es la con la que abren el concierto, es decir, es la primera, por lo tanto no se notan esas respiraciones o desafinaciones, si ves ves otra canción mas adelante lo verás. Hay otro youtuber, no recuerdo su nombre, que hizo una reacción a una de las canciones de sus conciertos y también noto que en una de las canciones había una 2da guitarra grabada y comento que era algo que muchos músicos hacían en los conciertos
Entiendo lo que estás diciendo, pero mi crítica no tuvo nada que ver si usaron o no una pista de acompañamiento para instrumentos o voces de respaldo ... mi problema fue que en este video no usaron la voz principal de Paulina, que por definición cuando use una pista en la voz principal que sea sincronización de labios ... PERO ella tampoco hizo eso, creo que sí la cantó en vivo y la gente en la actuación la escuchó en vivo ... Siento que la pista se colocó después para el video ..... que es una pena porque cuando ella está viva e imperfecta se puede sentir más su pasión y energía.
por favor no digas que esta única reacción es mi final, todo sea opinión de esta banda ... He reaccionado a numerosas presentaciones verdaderamente en vivo donde la voz principal de Paulina era cruda y maravillosa y ¡¡AMO ESTA BANDA !!
I totally agree. They simply don't need such thing as artificial improvement by doing overdubs. Doesn't lessen their quality or live performance capabilities.
Whoever gave you a thumb down or negative comment had blocked his ears and/or can’t read lips.
To some dudes of the TW army, OSN said things like: I love them, That is awesome, insanely talented, I'm a fan....
Great.insight never notice it before, 97% react to the 2nd video at Lunario Mexico City🤟 Hope to see then live in 2021🙏🙏🙏😁
The Warning IS the new Rush. In attitude, work ethic, determination, desire to do things THEIR way, goofball sense of humor, and many other ways.
I liken my discovery of The Warning to hearing Fly by Night, and realizing that they have a Tom Sawyer in them. I look forward to their version of the R40 tour someday. TW40?
Also Nightwish, Yes, and Rush have all used backing tracks live.
*"Live Music Is Better... Bumper Stickers Should Be Issued"* _Neil Young_
As others have already pointed out, The Warning do utilize a click track along with added backing track elements to help 'fill out' their sound. The good thing is, they are so well rehearsed that when they encounter technical difficulties, which have happened several times, they just plough right through like seasoned Pros.
These ladies are indeed amazing. And they never phone in a performance. More Warning!
He reacted to your video. 😄 Remember the _@TimberWolf762 To bad this video is a little out of sync. People might think it's playback._ ? 😉
@@TheUnderdogDe I saw that. I think I was also one of the people that bugged him to react to TW but I would have suggested DKNF from DeTour or D2D at Lunario.
I noticed the "altered" video was from your channel. Where did you source it from? It is kinda weird he was blaming record companies or whatever for a video being altered that wasn't even on the band's youtube channel.
@@thontor The Warning originally posted the entire Foro Didi show as one video. I just cut it up into each individual song. No alterations, no filtering, nothing.
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Appreciate your review, you are obviously an experienced and observant viewer. I suspect the first version was a back track and not post production editing since up to very recently, they have largely been a crowd-funded, basement (as opposed to a garage) band. I’m glad you found the second version, which is the one other reviewers usually see first.
“Survive” is a popular song from their TEDx performance (and 1st album) and features Pau and Dani going back and forth on lead vocal. I’m afraid and sorry you’re going to get some flack from a few of the Warning Army who don’t like to hear anything negative about the band. I think you made it pretty clear you recognize their talent and are a new fan, so please don’t let them put you off further reviews.
You have to listen to their unplugged versions so yo will know that they ain't artificial!
Seems that you did not watch the entire reaction... He was the coolest reactor and love the song with real live audio perfornance
@@manuelesquivel9732 I really did they are probably the best power trio playing today
Dang i just was so pissed off... crazy protection instincts snapped in
The Army is strong
Excellent, epic and fair reaction. I love this band, it has been a huge pleasant discovery some months ago. I'm a patreon of this band now too. But a fair critic and honest reaction is always welcome. New subscriber here. Thanks a lot.
Best part of this band is I have no one bad thing to say about them.... just wish the first video I selected was a raw live video cause they are so good
To follow on from my last comment ,and sorry can't provide the link ,but there is a video of Pau singing their song psychotic which Dani normally sings which is extremely difficult to do even for a guitarist and Pau some how pulls it off on drums ,it was incredible !
Be careful. They have some pretty passionate fans. I'm one of them. I would have picked the video I liked and reacted to it. It's not like they are covering up their inability to play or sing. Paulina is one of the best drummer/singers I've seen in a long time.
haha YES ... that's a good point ‼😄👍🏻🤘🇦🇺🇦🇺
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He's right tho. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I don't know where you guys dissing this reaction are missing the 10 times he called them Amazing, Great, best trio out there ATM, with a great live sound. He just dislikes the production companies trying to justify their jobs by screwing with a live performance's sound and trying to pass it off as "Live" when it's not.
It's the production company that apparently doesn't like The Warnings live music sound if they go and start to screw with the audio. Go down vote the production company not the messenger OldSkuleNerd for pointing it out lol. They don't trust you the listener to enjoy their live sound, so they screw with it thinking they have too to make more money. I agree 100% with OldSkuleNerd. If you say its live. Don't screw with the audio post production.
If it was a backing track or if they were lip syncing on stage, it would be fine, artists do it all the time. There is nothing new under the sun and It would still be considered live. We all are smart enough and can tell if they were lip syncing. That's not what happened here. It's very obvious that the Audio to this "LIVE" performance was altered in post production and its a shame and is degrading to the artists. That's all OldskuleNerd was pointing out wasn't even putting this band down in the slightest, just chastising the production company for ruining a perfectly good live performance.
YES‼ 🤘👍🏻🇦🇺🇦🇺😎
maybe it's because the "production companies" are they themselves
Firstly, I resisted the temptation to fire off a comment before responding. I am glad you're a fan of this much beloved band (You're been warned!) That said...
Where do I pick up this previously unheard of mystery DVD? Spoiler...there is none. You speak of some nefarious corporate executives hands at work here spoiling their music. Spoiler, there was no corporate hand at work here, they were completely independent, Kickstarter and Patreon funded band.
Had you done just a little bit of research into the band before popping off, you would have known this, just like I know you're a fan of TW because I took the time to watch your whole reaction.
Pointing out the things you see that take away from the energy between the band and their audience is a good thing especially in the case of amazing talent like the sisters Villareal have. It protects the bands integrity and longevity plus it helps the fans keep that feeling of closeness no matter who decided to ad post production to this song, just label it as such. This reaction was a great service to the Warning and Fans alike. Subscribed !
oh and please DO NOT LET THIS BE THE ONLY REACTION OF MINE TO THE WARNING YOU SEE I REALLY LOVE THE BAND
Lordy, Lordy! Thank the Gods they don't use auto tune! Cause it ya gotta use auto tune...you shouldn't be singing in the first place! Love these girls!
New point of view different from any other reaction videos I have watched before. I didn't notice the editing things to this performance. Thank you. Love these girls' talent as well.
I love this band. But you are right, I understand your point. These girls every time they play on tv shows, they prefer to play acoustic so they don't have to do lip singing. The Warning rules.....
I've always thought the Lunario performance was better that the Foro DIDI performance. Now that you've explained it, I know why.
You’re slightly off beam, in that you’re right about the first video having the studio audio mixed in, but your off target as far as the reasons go. It’s nothing to do with producers or record labels, simple fact is the the first one is just a fan made edit, not an official release by the band.
Then again, for all I know, Timberlake just cut out this song from the original.
@@TheUnderdogDe yes, the video is a straight cut from their official release. I have never noticed this before but as you might know, I have always suggested Lunario vs the Foro Didi version and maybe this is the reason...
He's absolutely correct and I have said it over and over. Don't choose Foro it has post production audio. Also the bands full concert at Lunario has post production audio. Lunario individual songs don't. The Whiskey doesn't.
@@scottlafleur4148 I always loved the (first) Lunario version more than the Foro Didi version because of its rawness and the passion of the ladies.. I think OldSkulNerd's observations partly are right. But it was not a revision for editing a DVD. Never heard of such plans. It's a pity because I at once would buy a copy.
@@16ploog79 I agree his assumption on the motivation for doing it is incorrect. There's no record label execs involved and there is no DVD.
IT wasn't until January of this year that they hired their own dedicated sound engineer to travel with them and mix their live shows.
I wish I was that guy. Getting to see them AND get paid? Sign me up!
@@somedude5414 Good luck with that. I know some folks that would gladly lug their gear around for free. And yeah, I probably would be one of them.
Did you even try looking at the band’s official release of this concert, because you didn’t post a link to it as your “evidence” of post production, however you did use their official video for your evidence of no post production.
Ok last time I said at the beginning the person to suggested this band sent me the first video link... which I didn’t like how the raw live sound was changed.... so I watched a second video of the same song and found the amazing live sound.... when you react to a band for the first time part of it is you don’t know anything.... how would I know what is the best without ruining the fact I don’t fake my first reaction so please don’t get mad that my first video I saw wasn’t a true live performance... I got upset with it too and found one that shows how awesome they are IM AGREEING WITH ALL OF YOU THIS BAND IS AMAZING
jealous of these girls talent
I am having a little trouble fully buying what you are selling. What record label has messed with this video? Please be specific as this performance was by unsigned artists in November of 2018 (yes now they have been signed to Lava Records but that is a July 2020 event). So let's make this clear, you are asserting the band over-dub the video, right? Did you find the altered video on The Warning TH-cam channel or a channel of a 3rd party? The link in your notes appears to be a 3rd party hence might this have been altered by this 3rd-party (that was neither the band or a Record label)? BTW, where is this concert available as a commercial DVD, as you also assert? [it is not]. So while your observations may be accurate, the narrative you have built around them appears not to be.
Foro Didi was remastered before release. You are correct that a studio was not involved, but the reactor is also correct in his observations.
@@roywall8169 Remastered by who?
@@bigfan007 the band hired a production company to film the Foro Didi concert. I do not believe the company went rogue and did something that the band thought was garbage, but it is common place for production companies to tinker with audio. Lunario is audio straight from the mixing board. 🙂
@@roywall8169 Your Much Better Then Me I Go Nuts When I Here Someone Like This !!!!!
@@vacationpromo1669 the reaction, or comment?
Thank you for reaction 🤘🤟🤟🇲🇽 😃 keep it up please more of them 🙏
I see where you're coming from and you're not wrong. The vocal in the Foro DiDi concert was certainly processed and there is definitely a backing track of the vocal in the chorus that is fairly high in the mix (& other backing tracks too). I do think the main vocal is authentic and fundamentally a really good vocal performance for Pau on this song. There are some a few telltale "flaws" that make me conclude it's authentic: She "pops" the mic with both letter "p" sounds in the word "prepared" in the second line of the song, and she "pops" the mic again while exhaling during the second time she sings the chorus (specifically the word "dust") solo after the bridge. The type of mic she's using in the environment she's using it in would need at a minimum compression/limiting, de-esser, a low pass filter to roll off the bleed from the cymbals and hi-hat, and a high pass filter to roll off the bleed from toms and kick drums. The bleed from the snare would probably need to be reduced with a gated filter in post production, but all of the rest of the basic effects were almost certainly done in real time AND in BOTH videos (both videos also have audio from the board and were likely remixed in post-production). One really can't get away from using effects/processing in this environment with this equipment, so it's really a matter of personal preference when it comes to how much effects/processing is too much. I would have liked the backing track for the chorus to be lower in the mix in the Foro DiDi concert, but to me the fundamental vocal performance has enough features of authenticity that I can thoroughly enjoy this particularly good vocal performance in this song. That being said, I can see why some people like the Lunario CDMX video better and it is the one that went viral. The Lunario CDMX performance is probably closer to how Pau will sound at a typical show (based on the videos of other concerts posted by audience members) and lots of people like her raspy tone that is so prominent in the CDMX performance. I will continue to be in awe of Pau's Foro DiDi vocal/drum performance in Dust To Dust as I see it as her being in top form. Glad you were honest and I appreciate what you do. Your criticism was fair and reasonable and lots of us really could benefit by being more open to such criticism.
BUT HAVE YOU SEEN THE TED TALK LIVE SONGS? THEY ARE SO GOOD LIVE
@@OldSkuleNerd I have seen both Ted Talks they did. The Ted Talk performance of "Survive" is my favorite version of that song. Pau breaks a drum stick almost immediately in that performance. They are a fantastic live band. It's remarkable to see such young people who are so good at what they do.
I totally agree with you on this issue
Haha, was going to have at a go at you at the start , walked away , came back watched through , glad I did , also its your channel , so stay true to yourself, its why i subscribed in the first place.
100% agree with you, raw The Warning is the best The Warning. The lockdown concert via an iPhone is an example of raw perfection
I had not seen this reaction, it's good that you reviewed Lunario's version and could see how good they are. And yes, you are right, Paulina plays in an epic way and sings like an angel.
I agree with you.
Pau has a laptop to her left for supplemental tracks when they need an extra guitar, some keyboards or vocals, so no post-production there, she has pedal that she can push to trigger the tracks, by the way they do that themselves in Ableton. As they were not signed when Foro Didi happened, with the little money they had, I find it hard to believe they had the means to do a lot of post-production to the level you suspect. Also to be noted that the 2nd performance at Lunario was in Mexico City at a mile and a half of altitude, so she was probably having difficulty with her breath control, so that could explain the differences in her voice. I would really like to hear their side of the story. I just wish that before making claims like you just did, you had much more solid proof, especially since you were clearly missing lots of context, which does not mean you are 100% wrong, but it sure does not help your case.
I believe that is backing track, not post production. But great attempt at some detective work. The second video you played was filmed almost 2 years before the first one, so they have also physically matured a lot in that time. Many factors playing into the difference. In any case, as you said, they're great, and Pau is off the charts talented. I hope you don't get flamed for doing some honest analysis. And now you know where the spoken track came from.
They don't have any backing tracks that include singing. The second video is a new clip from a whole video concert filmed 6 months after Lunario. The clip was done by a fan who thought nobody would react to a 1,5 hrs concert. I commented in that clip. _@TimberWolf762 To bad this video is a little out of sync. People might think it's playback._
@@TheUnderdogDe that's interesting.
yea good catch. I haven't seen that in most of thier live videos though.....
Take a look at these girls today... Paulina has evolved and is even more incredible than that.
Having taken a look at a few of their live videos done before 2020 compared to fan videos it's clear that you are correct. However it's easy to confuse what's on the backing track and post production. On one Argentinian concert performance of Narcissista, Pau missed the opening line but it reappeared on their live video with the same sound as Foro Didi and the studio recording. I noticed that even a misfretted chord by Dani was corrected on the Foro Didi concert although her solos don't seem to be. Since the Whisky concert in Jan 2020 they have taken a new approach to the live audio and don't do this anymore. Possibly they changed the technicians because they clearly don't do it themselves. I'm not sure but I seem to remember them saying somewhere that they had a problem with the mic Pau was using. It was difficult to get a good sound out of it with popping etc and so they felt editing her vocals was often unavoidable. In one concert the filter even fell off.
😂 WOW! You just made a giant fool if yourself Nerd. This is live and not altered. I have seen Paulina perform about 12 time up close, sometimes 10 feet away from her. And every show is as good or better than this. I could hear her actual voice over her druming I was so close. Nobody is messing with this. This is how amazing she is. The main reason I have seen them so many times is because of Paulina. It is a electrifying experience to see her perform. She is an absolutely a prodigy and is one of the top performing artists in the industry.
And your criticism of record lables well this video is self produced. They are signed now. They spent ten years to refine their sound and act.
Please don't ever take down this video. Your comments are hilarious. Embarrassing but really funny. And I love how you pinned the patron comment. 😆👍🏼✌🏼
If this video was really remastered concert, then why would they have not edited in the acoustic guitar on crimson queen when it didn't work through the sound system?
Pau has gotten to where she can do this live now. She is more still when drumming, even when not singing.
I was skeptical, but after hearing your whole argument? hell yeah man, they didn't need to mess with how good they sound live at all! Specially, if you go an listen to other live performaces, official and unofficial, they sound WAY BETTER live. At the very least that's the case with all of their earlier stuff. Studio has kind of stepped up a bit with their new releases buuut I still feel like they have yet to catch their raw energy, how dynamic, aggressive and emotional they can be is not quite captured on their records. So yeah, 100% with you on this. Edit: oh, the extra voice track at the bridge part is no one singing, it's a sample in spanish of a speech. It's part of the song.
You can see these performances on cell phone footage and she sounds the same, minus the house console quality, so apparently it IS possible.
A couple of questions for you ,firstly who is your top 3 singing drummers, secondly iwas wondering if you were prepared to do a break down review of the warnings new album .lf you could it would super awesome to hear your expert analysis on it negative or positive matters not to me ,what does count is your honesty,that will always be valued .cheers!😁
Just cause Collins couldnt sing and move his shoulders while he plays drums means nobody in the entire world can't do it? Let it go man. Life goes on, Collins and the other guy from Eagles are in the past, world is changing including the way to enjoy the music as indivudals we do
Love this band. Found your overall opinion to match my own, even if commenters have pointed out some inaccurate assumptions. Thanks for this!
Most live performance videos have a bit of post production tinkering. Suggest searching out some of the songs from The Whisky 2020 for a true representation of their live skills and Pau’s vocal ability. Yes they have fly ins for keys and (some) rhythm guitar parts, but mostly what you see is what you get. I’d never seen this mash up version of this video before, and it’s obvious from the off that it’s been messed with...they don’t need to do that..
Yes. Click tracks and stems ... it's a thing. I have not heard modern band without them (including Jinger et al). As for Pau singing and drumming: it's true she is doing all of that while operating that computer on the side with midi pedals (probably doing the band's taxes in the spare time between verses). I don't see any fakery here.
You really made an error here when you said this was for a “dvd” and they did post production for “multiple tracks”. I hate to inform you that there was zero “dvds” released there is only what you see on their official page (not this fan video you’re using as proof), the band didn’t charge anything for this, they did release it earlier to their patreon members, that’s it.
This entire video is an error cause of that xd
That probably makes it worse. It means the band decided to use as much dubbing, or backing tape and not the record company. It is true though that many bands do this, but to me rock is not perfect and the small mistakes should be shown, IMO.
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@@anazarethpendragon308 I don’t believe OSN is talking about the click track. He is talking about the voice overlay which they did for the Foro Didi concert on this particular video. I do not hear it on their Narcisista Foro Didi video but I do hear it on this song. Seems like they did it on only some parts of the song.
Sorry but you’re totally wrong. I saw them live at the Whisky a go go in January this year and her voice was just like that. If you can’t do that just face it Paulina is more talented than you.
You didn’t watch the whole video did you? Ok
I did watch all of it.
The Whisky performance is outstanding, but if you go back and view the video of that I think you’ll hear that her singing is more “live” sounding than the ForoDidi version. I’d say the Whisky version is better than the studio audio, not surprising since she’s older and more skilled.
I see all the discourse in the comments section and I just wanted to leave a general comment about the band. I have never listened to The Warning before (I think I may have to now) but the opening base riff sounded so much like a Dookie era Green Day Mike Dirnt base riff to me and that is awesome as Green Day is my favorite band and Mike is one of my favorite bassists.
OSN is 100% correct here and in fact I want to thank him for pointing this out. He is not dissing The Warning, he's just saying messing with the true recording was bullshit and unnecessary. I never noticed because I was blown away by the fact that girls so young are actually playing good rock (and the hotness of Dany), but it's definitely enhanced. Type "The Warning Full Lunario Concert 2018" in the search bar and hear how they really sound. Damn great. If there's any backing vocals you can see the sisters are at their mics. P.S. Don Henley can sing and play drums but how hard are his simple beats? Pau Villareal kicks ass on the kit.
Sure this is studio dubbed over a live performance. But you need to see her authentic live versions on this. Its still phenomenal
Dude, I've watched that vid many times and I never caught that !! Mahalo!
Give this version a listen. You will notice that her voice is different, a little raw, but she is still singing and playing the drums at the same time.
Go back and watch some of their early videos when PAU was 11 on up. That's when she was singing while playing and still getting her youthful voice to not react to exertion while drumming. Believe what you want, I'll stick with her natural talent.
Great analysis, very objective and all valid points, thanks for taking the time and effort, true music fans will agree with your assessment
I have made my research, and what I found was that, Paulina uses que Macbook with Ableton Live where she has multiple sessions of each and every one of the song on their setlist. She controls Dany's pedalboard with a Roland controller. However, that specific video indeed seems postproduced... there was no need to. The Lunario concert performance is 'exquisite'
hello !! PAU (drummer) has a Notebook on her left side with - 3 - footswitches where she controls backing-traks _ sound-effects _ lightshows....she is a real multitasking-monster....drums _ vocals _ technics....she must have a - huge - brain.... 72y-old-Hippie-and-Yogi- from Austria ☮~el~🕉~mar~✝
The warning!, The warning! , The warning!!, Yeah!!...i like so much all the song of the warning!.
You understand there' s a difference in altitude in these performances and it may be actually easier to sing at the venue in the lower altitude?
The tempos, vocal styles, mood, etc all change throughout these - check them out!
Devon Townsend - Kingdom
Cradle of Filth - Nymphetamine
Slipknot - The Nameless
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Mushroomhead - We Are the Truth
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I completely agree with you.
I think backing tracks are awesome. I think bands should play to a click track to keep them coordinated. Every tool they can come up with, to give a performance that conveys the message they want to convey.
However, when I buy a live record, I want to listen to the same thing that the audience was listening to at that concert. And I do not have an issue with a video that contains visuals from live performance, what I have an issue with is the branding. The Jinjer Teacher video is clearly branded as an "official video", and the record label also released an actual live video for those that wanted one. But this was...*sigh*... yeah.
Also, yes, the girls are amazing.
Keep Rocking! :)
but no doubt these ladies are one of the best POWER TRIOS we have today
they totally should not have done those things. I agree with you fully OldSkuleNerd. They are one of the GREATEST live bands in the world right now. I just watched cellphone youtube concert footage and it is amazing.
They DO play to tracks though.. which is their own tracks, they recorded the tracks, and the drummer Pau runs them using ableton live on her laptop and triggers samples with her roland pedals. So some of that is THEM.
But there are plenty of live concert videos of them that are real, just them. yes with their tracks... because they like to play with rhythm guitars and keys during guitar solos etc. I wish they wouldn't, but they like it that way.
I am with you!
Some of the negative comments obviously didn't come after watching your reaction all the way to the end. I what you are talking about, thanks for pointing it out. I also prefer the pure live version.
Every "live" album you've ever heard was manipulated in the studio. I don't understand what your point was for the first 13 minutes other than to make yourself feel smarter than everyone else. You might want to skip going to see them in concert because they always play with a backing track. They don't lie about it. You should get Paulina to do an interview with you so she can explain how it works. She's the programmer.
The video of them covering Atlas Rise from the Warning cave is heavily edited, and obviously shot in multiple takes. Big clues is when the camera person goes from shooting behind Pau, to suddenly being out in front of the band, and Ale's sleeves moving up and down from her elbows.
The version from The Whiskey is superior.
You obviously were new to TW and Pau, in minute 5:35 you said that’s not possible, @ 9: 57 you said “ who the hell are the other three people singing” it was a duet between Pau & Dani. 11:02 you said Daniela the middle sister (drummer) which I suppose you meant Pau wasn’t singing. Well it wasn’t her part to sing! 14:43 she sounds different because is Mexico City 7,280 feet and she was 16 years old. That might be why she’s winded. The point is there are videos with production, raw live videos, and music videos…just enjoy the music in whatever form as long as it comes from great artists! I know you put this video out over 2yrs ago so maybe you know more about The Warning now.
Yes they play over a click track with enhanced audio efects but also Im sure they get post prod cleaning.. I am ok with it though.
I've seen Paulina do this song live in several concerts and she does just as she does here. You are wrong on this point!
What about albums like Kiss’s first solo album, Cheap Tricks live at Budakon, Framton Comes Alive and a whole lot more. Are those okay?
Wandering through the reactions to them, as I am wont to do, while impatiently awaiting their next batch of music to come out - you're absolutely correct. The first one is over-dubbed. I believe it's actually from a TV show (showcasing "live concerts"), and it's likely the video producers are the ones who decided they'd rather post the vid with "studio recordings" over it. Especially since at the time, they were still fully independent, so it certainly wasn't a record company pushing this stuff.
Nevertheless, one of the most interesting things I have found about this band is their *precision* . They tend to carefully craft their songs to take things such as Pau's breathing into account in the mixup of "who does what when". They do use backing recordings (performed by themselves generally, except in rare occasions like Rudy's "Salvation" speech in this one), which Pau also controls. But it's sparingly - so they can keep the "live" sound as close to the "studio" sound as possible. That, in and of itself, is vanishingly rare these days.
Excellent review!! :-)
I know they did the same thing with the video evolve that’s was live for that mtv concert. With that video they did mention it was enhanced or something.
You are right - they don’t need it. They are awesome as is live!🤘
3 of them are singing dude 😎
Don’t sell Pau short. She drums while singing, she sings while drumming, she’s controlling the screen behind her, she’s controlling the effects pedals for Dany’s guitar and Ale’s bass, oh, also the backing tracks they use…all while drumming and singing. I hear she even sleeps now and then.
Aside from that, the last singing we hear is Ale. She’s the ‘shy’ one, who doesn’t feel comfortable singing lead yet. Yet.
Buen analisis, The Warning es una magnifica banda,