Nice video, I just want to comment on one thing incase someone is thinking of doing the same thing. The labour you paid is about right for an electrician to run the cable from your meter to where you want it. Most electrician would charge around £500 or less depending on where you are if they have to run the right cable from your fuse box to where you want your charger to be. The other cost then is the charger itself. Depending on the charger you get it ranges from £475 for a Tesla wall charger to around £700-£800 for a Zappi den 2 depending on where you buy it. The thing that cost the most is the charger you get. I hope this would help someone who is thinking of getting a charger installed etc
@djgoode well spotted. Commando socket like the one in the video is NOT SUITABLE for domestic use. Even more dangerous for EV charging where you often unplug the plug. U can unplug it under load! Not safe. Further more, no option of CT monitoring to ensure installation is not overloading the intake cut out. Ibviously depending on the intake fuse size and demand in the property. If you charge the vehicle at home daily, just get an EV charger. Safest option.
What is inside the incoming meter box ? I assume the sparky took the supply for your 32A commando socket off the incoming supply before it goes to the house ? He should have installed a RCBO breaker to ensure NO DC can enter the house and if a fault in the Live or Neutral is detected the RCBO would trip like an RCD in your consumer unit. Normally a separate small consumer unit would be installed outside the meter cupboard housing the RCBO. This is because if a smart meter is fitted in the meter box there isn't sufficient room. Does Tesla say that this type of charger is OK to be used for long periods as many sparky's on You Tube say they arern't suitable. Also check your incoming fuse as 60 Amp fuses have been blown after EV chargers have been installed due to the House Load. Electric ovens can draw 5 kw when first switched on which is 21 Amps then if you have an induction or electric hob you could exceed the 60 Amps and BANG no power to the house. In the UK most single phase supplied homes can only have ONE 7 kw charger installed.
The electrician fitted an RCBO and the house runs on a 100 amp main fuse. It only charges overnight when nothing else is on. So far the mobile connector has proved reliable. I’ll keep you updated if it decides to throw a wobbly
Total cost of around £7 to do 300 mile. This is with octopus go, they are a great provider, I can’t fault them. If you switch to them use my code for a £50 statement credit
Hi, great question, at the current variable rate in the UK of around 35p per kWh, you’d be looking at about £22. However, on a fixed EV tariff such as octopus GO this drops all the way down to £7.80. I am currently making another video that will show you how far 90% will get you, this will be uploaded soon, make sure to check back
I don’t think so, my electrician installed something called a Matt:e. From what I understand is it’s PEN fault detection at the board instead of the charger
No pen fault protection. So yeah it does. Also under regs commandos are not acceptable in a domestic setting. The socket is not shuttered I.e live terminals are exposed
Oh lord. That is as dodge as it gets! You are not really allowed commando sockets without interlick switch in a domestic setting. May want to get that check a trade ptoffesional back and dort it. Certsinly not as per BS7671 requirements. Did the electrician know it was for the EV charger too? The problem with that commanfo socket you have is that the pins can be live with socket open. That is issue for domestic setting. In terms of EV, the absence of interlicking mechanism is a concern. It mesns you could inplug the docket under load leading to dangerous situations. Have you had a pripper EV charging socket fitted?
Hi, I’ve got the charger locked in place and it’s not possible to remove the charger from the socket without dismantling it. The locking criteria is to stop someone who didn’t know (the public) from hurting themselves. As this is behind a double locked gate on private property it negates a lock
@thercsev hi. I dont think it does negate the interlock. The lock is not per say pad lock, or lockabale isolator. In domestic situation any socket like that should be fitted with built in isolator switch, that has interlink mechanism thag doesnt alow you to turn socket on with nothing plugged in, and doesnt alow you to unplug under load either. This would be in any scenario when the installation is to be used by an ordinary person.
Precisely, it is not possible to unplug the charger because of how I have attached it and I never take it out…problem solved 🤣 P.S. I’m going to keep using it 🤫
Great video, I have the same setup. Also electrician here, sadly your checks trade friend has done you dirty here. For an industrial socket to meet regulation in a domestic setting, the socket needs to have its own switch with a mechanical interlock. This means you can pull out the plug unless it’s switched off. You won’t pass a periodic inspection report with this one installed. I would get the outlet changed over so it complies and is safer in case any little fingers decide to play with these larger sockets.
Sorry, but as an electrical engineer, this is a big no-no. Most houses in the UK use a TN-C-S earthing system, and without going all technical, using a Commando socket to charge an EV could be extremely dangerous and any such installs are against current regulations. Modern dedicated EV chargers have in-built PEN fault protection, and the ones that don't, have a requirement of a dedicated earth rod. If the electrician who installed this was aware the commando was for the purpose of charging an EV, he should have walked away. Before I get jumped on, I don't do installs. I just posted this to highlight the dangers.
Thanks for your concern. I did look into this and it is now possible to buy something called a Matt:e. Essentially your PEN fault detection is in the board instead of the charger and doesn’t then require a rod. Not an electrician, this is what mine told me 👍🏻
No pen fault protection. So you need ann earth rod. Also under regs commandos are not acceptable in a domestic setting. The socket is not shuttered I.e live terminals are exposed
You don’t need an earth rod if you install a penfault protection device. Many external single gang outdoor consumer units made for EV chargers come with this
Part right depends on the house earthing arrangement if it’s TT the no earth rod needed. All others would need one. And you can fit a commando in this setting but yes has to be shuttered or as it actually would be interlocked.
No earth rod is required, the charger is a portable device on a plug, therefore as long as the device meets safety standards as a portable device all is ok.
Nice video, I just want to comment on one thing incase someone is thinking of doing the same thing.
The labour you paid is about right for an electrician to run the cable from your meter to where you want it.
Most electrician would charge around £500 or less depending on where you are if they have to run the right cable from your fuse box to where you want your charger to be. The other cost then is the charger itself. Depending on the charger you get it ranges from £475 for a Tesla wall charger to around £700-£800 for a Zappi den 2 depending on where you buy it.
The thing that cost the most is the charger you get.
I hope this would help someone who is thinking of getting a charger installed etc
I will add the socket should be interlocked aka can only turn it on/open the contacts with something plugged in.
@djgoode well spotted. Commando socket like the one in the video is NOT SUITABLE for domestic use. Even more dangerous for EV charging where you often unplug the plug. U can unplug it under load! Not safe.
Further more, no option of CT monitoring to ensure installation is not overloading the intake cut out. Ibviously depending on the intake fuse size and demand in the property.
If you charge the vehicle at home daily, just get an EV charger. Safest option.
Cheers mate. Will probably get the same setup
By far the cheapest way to do it that I can think of
What is inside the incoming meter box ? I assume the sparky took the supply for your 32A commando socket off the incoming supply before it goes to the house ? He should have installed a RCBO breaker to ensure NO DC can enter the house and if a fault in the Live or Neutral is detected the RCBO would trip like an RCD in your consumer unit. Normally a separate small consumer unit would be installed outside the meter cupboard housing the RCBO. This is because if a smart meter is fitted in the meter box there isn't sufficient room. Does Tesla say that this type of charger is OK to be used for long periods as many sparky's on You Tube say they arern't suitable. Also check your incoming fuse as 60 Amp fuses have been blown after EV chargers have been installed due to the House Load. Electric ovens can draw 5 kw when first switched on which is 21 Amps then if you have an induction or electric hob you could exceed the 60 Amps and BANG no power to the house. In the UK most single phase supplied homes can only have ONE 7 kw charger installed.
The electrician fitted an RCBO and the house runs on a 100 amp main fuse. It only charges overnight when nothing else is on.
So far the mobile connector has proved reliable. I’ll keep you updated if it decides to throw a wobbly
Great video, I was going to go down this route but I fortuitously found a second hand pod point solo 3 for 75 pounds, i left a like on the video
Thanks for the like, appreciate it.
I went down this route purely because I didn’t think I would be living here much longer.
How much it cost for a full charge from 0% on a home charger
Total cost of around £7 to do 300 mile. This is with octopus go, they are a great provider, I can’t fault them.
If you switch to them use my code for a £50 statement credit
How much if I charge 0-80% at home? Thanks
Hi, great question, at the current variable rate in the UK of around 35p per kWh, you’d be looking at about £22.
However, on a fixed EV tariff such as octopus GO this drops all the way down to £7.80.
I am currently making another video that will show you how far 90% will get you, this will be uploaded soon, make sure to check back
@@thercsev You should never let your battery go to 0 or you might damage it.
What about earth rod? Does it not need one?
I don’t think so, my electrician installed something called a Matt:e.
From what I understand is it’s PEN fault detection at the board instead of the charger
No pen fault protection. So yeah it does. Also under regs commandos are not acceptable in a domestic setting. The socket is not shuttered I.e live terminals are exposed
Oh lord. That is as dodge as it gets! You are not really allowed commando sockets without interlick switch in a domestic setting.
May want to get that check a trade ptoffesional back and dort it. Certsinly not as per BS7671 requirements. Did the electrician know it was for the EV charger too?
The problem with that commanfo socket you have is that the pins can be live with socket open. That is issue for domestic setting. In terms of EV, the absence of interlicking mechanism is a concern. It mesns you could inplug the docket under load leading to dangerous situations.
Have you had a pripper EV charging socket fitted?
Hi, I’ve got the charger locked in place and it’s not possible to remove the charger from the socket without dismantling it.
The locking criteria is to stop someone who didn’t know (the public) from hurting themselves. As this is behind a double locked gate on private property it negates a lock
@thercsev hi. I dont think it does negate the interlock. The lock is not per say pad lock, or lockabale isolator. In domestic situation any socket like that should be fitted with built in isolator switch, that has interlink mechanism thag doesnt alow you to turn socket on with nothing plugged in, and doesnt alow you to unplug under load either. This would be in any scenario when the installation is to be used by an ordinary person.
Precisely, it is not possible to unplug the charger because of how I have attached it and I never take it out…problem solved 🤣
P.S. I’m going to keep using it 🤫
@thercsev well fingerss crossed
Great video, I have the same setup. Also electrician here, sadly your checks trade friend has done you dirty here. For an industrial socket to meet regulation in a domestic setting, the socket needs to have its own switch with a mechanical interlock. This means you can pull out the plug unless it’s switched off. You won’t pass a periodic inspection report with this one installed. I would get the outlet changed over so it complies and is safer in case any little fingers decide to play with these larger sockets.
Sorry, but as an electrical engineer, this is a big no-no.
Most houses in the UK use a TN-C-S earthing system, and without going all technical, using a Commando socket to charge an EV could be extremely dangerous and any such installs are against current regulations.
Modern dedicated EV chargers have in-built PEN fault protection, and the ones that don't, have a requirement of a dedicated earth rod.
If the electrician who installed this was aware the commando was for the purpose of charging an EV, he should have walked away.
Before I get jumped on, I don't do installs. I just posted this to highlight the dangers.
Thanks for your concern. I did look into this and it is now possible to buy something called a Matt:e.
Essentially your PEN fault detection is in the board instead of the charger and doesn’t then require a rod.
Not an electrician, this is what mine told me 👍🏻
Is the tesla charger safe to be in wet conditions
Kinell mate. The electrician police are out in force on your video. Im a gas fitter, Other gas fitter rag work as well.
@@RTJ06 🤣
No pen fault protection. So you need ann earth rod. Also under regs commandos are not acceptable in a domestic setting. The socket is not shuttered I.e live terminals are exposed
Professional electrician installed so as far as I am concerned it has been installed correctly and to code 🙅🏼♂️
You don’t need an earth rod if you install a penfault protection device. Many external single gang outdoor consumer units made for EV chargers come with this
Part right depends on the house earthing arrangement if it’s TT the no earth rod needed. All others would need one. And you can fit a commando in this setting but yes has to be shuttered or as it actually would be interlocked.
No earth rod is required, the charger is a portable device on a plug, therefore as long as the device meets safety standards as a portable device all is ok.
Is that PEN earthed?
Pen fault at the board