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I drive a Tesla Model X from 2018. It has 144 000 kilometers on it, and the only maintenance it’s needed has been the annual tire swap (winter/summer-as required by law here in Sweden), occasional car washes and periodically topping off the windshield washer fluid. It did get some warranty work done a few years in: the front control arms got squeaky and had to be replaced, as the right side steering wheel scroll wheel (also got replaced (both under warranty). 6+ years in, the battery still holds 93% of its original capacity. Other than that, the car still looks and feels like new. It’s really amazing. It will probably be years before I replace it, and then it will most likely be only for another Tesla.
@@markmiller8903 Nope. The motherboard on my Tesla Model X quit a few years ago while I was driving it. The screen went black but the car performed until I reached home and then wouldn't start again. Tesla dropped by my house and swapped out the motherboard the next day right there for free under warranty. There was no catastrophic failure other than I describe. Don't try to tell me that ICE cars never break down where you can't drive them, it happened to me plenty of times over the years. The timing change on my Dodge Stealth blew while I was driving it several years ago and that was that for that car. Concerning the motherboard failure on the X, a part broke like happens with all mechanical devices from time to time. Ever had a computer motherboard go bad on a computer you use at home? Almost all of us have experienced that at some point. Other than that, the two MXes I've owned have performed flawlessly since 2017. Critics point to car fires. Well, it turns out that ICE vehicles catch fire at 12 times the rate of EVs. The foregoing is according to published statistics. It is true that a couple of EV models put out by legacy auto did catch fire sitting in garages. That's more the result of legacy auto trying to catch up with EV technology and failing than to inherent flaws in the EV model. There is an obsession with away from home charging. VW was required by a court settlement to build EV charging stations in the U.S. VW put them in as the court order required and forgot them. Chargepoint USA was a disaster from the beginning and continues to be one because of mismanagement and poor maintenance, not the concept of establishing public charging stations. Tesla's far more extensive supercharger network's chargers are up 99% of the time. If you're on a trip, your Tesla will inform you of where you need to stop for a charge, take you there, and keeps you informed of how many charging stations are open at a given site at all times. I installed a 220v line at my house to charge my MX and that is where I do 95% or so of my charging. I use a supercharger 3-5 times or so a year on average, the rest occurs in my driveway. The angst over how many charging stations are out there is misguided. You charge your EV at home. People ask me how long it takes to charge my car at home. My standard reply is 30 seconds, about how long it takes to hook up the charging line to the car. It's no more complicated than plugging in your smartphone. The reason I say 30 seconds is the charging occurs at night while I'm sleeping when electricity is cheaper. I plug it in, go about my business and to bed. When I wake up, the X is fully charged and ready to go for another week. Oh, one other thing -- Tesla agreed to open it's supercharger network to makes from other OEMs last year. Starting this year, you can charge your MachE, for example, at a Tesla supercharger for the usual rate. Tesla's currently has 60,000 charge points in its global network with ~12k or so in the U.S. Plus, the Inflation Reduction Act is set up to vastly expand the public charging network in the U.S. starting in 2027 when installations begin. By 2030, public EV chargers will be everywhere-- freeway rest stops, downtown in urban areas, shopping malls, etc, etc. A supercharger I occasionally use when visiting relatives is located behind a Dunkin' Donuts with several other restaurants within easy walking distance. Right now at this moment, legacy ICE manufacturers are going belly up in China. Not one or two, all of them. EVs have now surpassed 60% of new sales in China, the largest car market in the world. In the U.S., EVs commanded 10% of sales last year which is considered the tipping point when a disruption occurs. All German automakers are in dire to serious trouble. Nissan and Honda recently announced a merger to try and stave off bankruptcy. GM's sales in China, its largest market, have collapsed. VW, the world's 2nd largest OEM, has seen profits cut in half in one year. The market shakeout is here and most legacy automakers slow to adopt EV technology will be gone by the end of the decade. That includes Toyota. Ford has a chance to survive, but has to solve its dealership and labor problems as it struggles to catch up. Ford sees the future, GM continues to produce mostly hot air. In 2014, analyst Tony Seba predicted the cost of battery packs for EVs, the most expensive component in an EV, would fall 90% by 2024. Seba was slightly off, the cost of a batteries has dropped even faster than he predicted. The cost of an EV is now equal to a comparable ICE car and prices will continue to drop.
Akio Toyoda said the same thing in a public presentation 15 years ago and added it was why Toyota needed to promote the ICE. He wanted to create an alternative to EVs that would require lots of moving parts--such as hydrogen power. It was when Toyota hedged its bets by purchasing a big block of Tesla stock that it dumped after Toyoda discovered that he was unable to work with Musk. That stock investment would be worth more than the total capitalization of Toyota.
Interesting. As an Engineer I’ve been working why Toyota ever bet on Hydrogen for personal vehicles as it makes no sense to do so. Hydrogen handling costs are insanely expensive due to the pressure and losses associated in producing, handling, and converting back to electricity with a fuel cell. Makes more sense now. Complexity can be profitable if alternatives are not available.
Toyota said when he realized the number of people who build engines would be put out of work he shifted his focus. But, I think that often with new technologies new jobs are created. We still look fondly back at cottage industries that no longer exist, but the world's not going back there.
and the Model Y is also much quieter than that rumbling sound the Corvette made. I love sound. That´s why I love playing streaming music from my Samsung Android Phone with wireless earbuds - instead of listening to vinyl records through that old, heavy McIntosh integrated amplifier with KEF Reference 107 loudspeakers. Unbelievable how many kilowatts per hour that big, old system spent when an Android phone does "exactly the same" with much less fuss ...... Just take it with a big smile:)
I bought a 2023 VW ID.4 ProS RWD almost a year ago and will never go back to an ICE vehicle. Had been driving Subaru's for over 20 years but couldn't bring myself to buy the Solterra due to looks (so ugly a mother couldn't love it) and range / charging time. I've driven the car 20K miles in about 7 months with zero problems. With 3 years free charging from VW I've spent less than $50 on charging in that entire time for the few times I had/wanted to pay at a charging station. My Subaru Ascent cost more than that to fill up each tank - which I did 1-2 times each week. Oil changes had risen to over $100 and replacing the spark plugs on the Subaru required to maintain warranty was about $400. This car practically pays for itself. Plus nobody can steal my catalytic converter - because I don't have one. Tires still look great after 20K. VW, please build a low price truck or van (EV, Hybrid, or ICE that can be used for service vehicles. No more promises of $20K vehicles you can't buy. (Ford Maverick.) We love you VW, so please get your act together and build a "people's car" again!
@@marco2982 Probably for the same reason I bought my VW ID.5 always drove VW and Audi cars and never had any problems and thoroughly satisfied with the brand and build quality
The realty of the internal combustion engine is that it is at the end of it's design life cycle. There are few improvements to be made that will radically change their performance and it has been that way for the last ten years. Battery technology on the other hand is in its infancy with huge strides being made in terms of life cycle and capacity and yet many more to come.
EVs may be better, but, in my opinion, the reason the ICE engine hasn't had massive improvements in efficiency is purposeful neglect. I used to subscribe to Popular Mechanics back in the 1980s. I remember an article about an engineer (an environmentalist concerned with fuel economy) who tinkered around in his spare time with his stock Ford Taurus. By substituting rotating cylinders with fixed holes for valves and camshafts, and doing a lot with exhaust gas recirculation, he got over 100 mpg with a stock 150-200 hp engine. He then drove the car to DC and testified in a congressional hearing on fuel economy. Imagine developing and evolving those ideas over the last 40 years, and you'd probably have vehicles with twice the power and twice the mpg. Why the auto manufacturers didn't radically innovate the ICE is a mystery. I'm guessing corporate greed (short-term profits vs long-term R&D costs), and not wanting to piss of big oil were major factors. In any case, their neglect has insured the success of EVs.
@@randallperry5071 Over the years there have been many iterations of the ICE some good some bad but no matter what you do you cant get past the basic principals of the engine itself I.E. it burns a flammable fuel which among other things produces heat, heat that has no usable energy, heat that has to be dissipated. That heat makes up around 50% of the available potential energy of the fuel and no matter how you look at it that heat is wasted. All technologies have a point where they can go no further and the ICE has come to that point.
@randallperry5071 The ICE is done getting any better. 125yrs of massive research and development shows no more advancement is coming. Do you think if Toyota, Mazda or Ford could build a ( reliable) 100 mile/ gallon car they would not? Ofcourse they would. .
@GWAForUTBE Hard to know. Since EVs are taking over (both technically, and legislatively) there's not much incentive to radically innovate the ICE; makes no sense to spend a lot of R&D $$ on something that will be either supplanted and/or banned in the very near future. The only place this would make sense is with heavy machinery currently running on diesel (as there probably won't be any EV versions of those for a very long time, if at all).
@randallperry5071 The ICE has had 125yrs & countless hours of research & development. It's never getting better. Never getting anywhere near as efficient electric motors are. The electric motor is and always will be superiorly efficient. Why waste 60- 80% of your fuel in heat? Supplemented?? The fossil fuel industry is subsidized trillions every year. Electricity can & is being created effective & efficient DIY in large numbers growing. Gasaholeline will always be a monopoly.
Also, go back to the late 1990s with the GM EV1 they tried out in CA. GM eventually took all the cars back and crushed them even though many people liked the cars and offered to buy them! It looks pretty obvious the GM figured out that EVs would hurt new car sales when the only thing you would replacing is batteries from time to time. Side note: EV1 used lead- acid batteries!
Not just costing arm and a leg to run an ice car but I love when the UK , the US and others bang on about "energy security" to the reason about "keeping the price of oil down" as if the oil men are there to help the little people with cost down. With EV one could charge from their home solar and cutting out the middle and oil countries who hold those dependence to ransom.
Ask yourself why we rely on politically unstable states and corrupt governments for our energy. And wonder why we're told charging your car from your solar panels is bad.
Yes my jaguar 2.2 diesel X-Type which is paid for and worth £2000 is expensive to run. I use £20 a month in diesel. I must spend £45,000 on a cheaper to run EV that will depreciate 70% in 3 years. An EV WILL NOT SAVE ME MONEY IT WILL COST ME TENS OF THOUSANDS A YEAR IN DEPRECIATION. And if I get an old EV the batteries could need replacing costing tens of thousands of pounds. EVs are not cheaper to run than my 17 year old diesel.
@@seekeroftruthandjust I used to talk that way too until I bought an EV a decade ago. Truth be told it didn't cost more than the ICE vehicles I was considering and compared to my wife's similarly sized ICE vehicle between fuel and maintenance the EV has cost me almost $3,000 less per year to run than my wifes ICE vehicle saving me $30,000 over the past decade. When the battery finally goes it will cost me around $5,000 to replace it with a new modern battery while it will cost almost double that for a new modern engine for my wife's car. The reality has been that the EV have already been much cheaper to own and the savings have been getting even better with the newer models while with ICE its only going to continue to get much, much worse. If you drive your vehicle until its worn out depreciation becomes a non-issue EV depreciation mind you was driven by a false perception fostered by ICE lobbyists with anti-EV propaganda that only serves to line their pockets with their grossly inflated ill-gotten gains. Best!
German charging infrastructure is getting really good these days, in some parts (north, especially northeast, former east germany) it's still poor but even there it's improving fast. Along the busy highways huge charging stations are built, and more and more electric trucks are seen.
Ive worked in a noisy dirty, wet coal wash plant. Those electric motors run 24 hrs a day 7 days a weeek and last for years. Average person prob drives their car for 1 hr a day so 365 hrs a yr. Thats like 15 days of run time on an electric motor in a coal wash plant/ factory.
@@peterpan6821 The motor is more complex than the battery, the computer and electric drive systems are the complex parts but those now exist in all cars.
@peterpan6821 Fair point, but the battery and monitoring BMS are relatively simple. The control electronics is complicated, but everything about an ICE is complicated. I look at it this way. An ICE will have hundreds more parts than an EV. Many less points of failure. Much less to maintain.
@@peterpan6821 ICE engines and transmissions are far more "complex" than an EV battery. A technology being new and less understood by a larger percentage of the population does not make it more complex. The one thing we know is that most problems which exist today with EV's will not exist even in the next few years. Even the crappy cars of the 70's were quickly corrected once necessity required it.
Yep, the battery is the frigate part currently but that’s getting cheaper and cheaper. Hopefully there will be a seventy breakthrough soon (solid state).
We have 3 VW's. We bought an EGolf in 2017. It's had 2 problems; the front passenger side brake backing plate was damaged by a chunk of ice 2 winters ago; replaced. Also there is a recall out for two valves on the heat pump. This little car has been so much fun to drive( most ICE cars don't stand a chance at the lights). Costs C$ 2.50 to charge at home. Yes drive an EV for a week, you'll never go back to driving an auto tranny gas car.
I've got a id3 and it's fu.king brilliant, beats most cars away from the lights including Porsche's, it's so fast I love it. No noise , no screeching tyre's 😂.....just peace and quiet. It's superb....try one ...test drive one and you'll be surprised what your missing.
@@Paul-ey1ct I have driven an ID3. I loved it. Yes, it’s quiet, refined and well made. But cost the owner £48k. Same as I’d paid for my Toyota Supra A91. The Supra makes a delicious burble and puts a smile on face every time I start it up. When I want it to go slow and smooth, it’ll do exactly that. When I want a buzz, I push a little button called ‘nutter mode’ and she tightens up her steering and suspension, opens the exhaust and makes really proper car noises. 4 sec to 60 is easy enough, still feels like I’ve achieved something significant. In an ID3; twice as simple, not as fast, yet, for all the smoothness and clinical precision, it wasn’t as satisfying. It was also significantly heavier. The ID3 is as exciting as a new, very expensive washing machine. The Supra, that’s a classic. The sadness, is the Politics say the Supra is a dinosaur. It burns dino juice, so it belongs in a museum, and for me now, that’s part of the joy. I’m going to keep burning the dino-juice as it’s more fun, in this one precious life of mine, than driving an ID3, even if it’s like a machine from the Jetsons
@@bjornaltmann8184 - yeah. Definitely a proper car. V8, dino-juice burner! Enjoy before the hand-wringers and bureaucrats find a way to make it go the way of the dinosaurs. I feel sad that the millennials, or too many of them, believe EVs are the way to go, and the emotional feeling of being at one with a car is an experience they’ll never have, and worse - they’ll believe they never should’ve needed. That Mercedes was made when I was 4 years old. My M&D had a 1938 MG TA for fun and rallies. The everyday car was a 1969 Ford Cortina Mk2 1600e. Both cars were loved and although Dad died a year ago, Mum keeps the MG and I have custodianship of the 1600e. Not fast cars by today’s standards - but they have a more smiles per mile rating than most vehicles. The fact they turn a lot of heads certainly adds pride to ownership, and that’s worth a lot to me
@@Paul-ey1ct Dude even the fastest GTX Performance only goes 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, you might be passing a Porsche driving slower than you but you definitely aren’t beating a Porsche when they’re racing lol
Repairs on ICE is huge. I always looked at the number of doors the dealer had for repairs. I concluded that German cars had the highest number of doors and i bought only Toyota and Honda.
My EV has a motor far less parts to go wrong than a combustion engine.The battery is a pack under the car surrounded by a solid frame.Of course the main bought news is bull shitting us that is their job.
@@sub7up.Why? Battery packs are replaceable. Numbers I have seen for new battery packs for Tesla are $6k to $12k. Can you buy a new EV in the US for $12k? And why would a EV motor fail (unless it is crash damage)? EV motor: rotor and stator very thin sheet steel stack; copper windings on stator; rotor may or may not have magnets; steel shaft; huge ceramic ball bearings. What is the failure mode for these EV motor components compared to piston rings, valve seals and seats, all the bearings (crank, rod, cam, etc.) in ICE?
Next time I look for a car it may be an EV hopefully when that time comes pricing will be inline with what I consider affordable. My current ICE vehicle is paid off and I can get 150,000 more miles out of it.
What the hell do you expect VW executives to say??😂 Yes we put a whole bunch of money in this and we're in a lot of trouble and we're losing money and yeah we f***** up ..😮
Once I had driven a few EVs (Tesla Model S, Lucid Air, BYD Han, Polestar 2 Performance, Nio ET7, BYD Han, HiPhi X), it was clear that my next car and all the others after it would be EVs. I'm driving a Lucid Air now.
I have a European ev. I really know my service manager very, very, well. And it's not all software issues. though they dominate. As for price, add €10k up front. Handling is sluggish (1/2 Tonne of battery). Battery is noticeably degraded after 4 years. Public charging in Europe is total rubbish. I can't afford to replace my car as resale price has tanked. I think I know why people hesitate.
The market is split. If you can charge at home (or work), buy a BEV. If you can't buy an ICE or PHEV. Maybe someday public charging will be everywhere, but until then there will still be a healthy market for ICE cars.
I would love to be in a position to afford an EV, but sadly probably never. I have a later variant Citroen Berlingo van, and it is great [not very powerful, but that is okay] and good on fuel. I'd love to have the car variant of it as an EV, but the price is crazy. In any case I have another four years till I retire, and will not run a private car once retired, so I am hoping my van will last that long, and I'll scrap it and hand in my Driving Licence immediately I get the State Pension. Best wishes from George in UK
They're still buying ICE vehicles in the USA because there aren't enough equivalent cost BEV vehicles and the charging network hasn't been built out, especially in the less populated and wide open middle part of the country.
Nah the US has probably the best charging network after China, it's just the BEV vehicles cost and variety. There are still some spots but the more rural you go the more you have home charging. Edit: I forgot about Norway so of the ones I know the US is 3rd, with Norway probably being first but that's partially because of their size.
I don't think it has anything to do with the charging network. Most people with EVs charge from home. I think it has more to do with politics and big business pushing against it. I'm always amazed how the powerful can convince the ill informed to move against their own interest. Always with the same tactics. This is more prevalent in the US then anywhere. Nonetheless I think the inescapable near future is EV. It will be delayed state wide, but it won't be stopped.
@@austriasalzburg Interesting. But I think they hate Musk now. They will hate him more when he automates manual work with robots and moves production to China. Their hero will quickly become their nemesis. Musk strategy of alignment to Trump was a stroke of pure genius IMO. Love or hate the man you can't deny his business acumen.
@ Some of them already do because Tesla has that 'brand' to it. It's why in the US Tesla vehicles are basically considered separate to other EVs, even other US EVs.
The dealership model is on the verge of collapse. On one hand, the cost of maintaining ICE cars is skyrocketing due to rising labor costs and the increasing prevalence of features in modern ICE vehicles that are difficult to repair or maintain yourself. On the other hand, EVs are improving in quality and require progressively less maintenance. This marks not just the end of the ICE age but the decline of an entire industry-from manufacturing to the traditional sales model.
Yes they used to be reliable but they brought in those horrible DSG gearboxes that had problems for years. Undeliverable when the DSG gearbox failed and often the car would be scrapped because it costs thousands to change the gearbox Many people had to take massive losses trying to sell their used VW and Audi with these dodgy gearboxes or pay the $4000 and upwards fees to repair or replace them Then there’s the mechatronic unit which often failed on the Audi Q7 models and some other models I believe. Very costly to fix and again often not viable to fix as the used value was quite low Again customers would take a huge hit on them and wish they had had bought a Toyota instead There’s also the dieselgate issue where for years they cheated the diesel emissions tests. So they were gassing us with their diesel vehicles and they didn’t even need gas chambers Evil people running VW Well VW sales were 4.6 million in 2024 dropping fast from record years from 2016-2019 when it was number one so I guess their karma is now repaying them
Yes and the irony is Fair Trading here in Sydney will only issue dealer licences to people who open a physical dealership and pay the $1800 fee for the application and you have to get council approval beforehand which can costs thousands of dollars even if it’s a industrial shed you’re renting to house a couple cars They don’t recognise that most cars are sold online nowadays as people don’t walk along Parramatta rd looking at all the dealers to buy a car anymore. That was in the last century but our government department is stuck in the last century unfortunately and are not pro business Welcome to Australia where government try to make money out of business at every turn and strangle the opportunities of hard working Australians
That is what I have been saying.No need for dealerships anymore.Your EV can be checked at home .Also some good opportunities for small workshops who can deal with EV'S if needed maitenance.Like brakes and fluid checks.Mechanics train to look after a EV and you have a future good job.
I need an ICE vehicle because I live in northern canada. When I drive from my place to my parents house it's like 600km with very few charging spots in between. In northern canada the infrastructure is poor and the distances are very large. Also if there is a problem there are very few people with such knowledge around.
I live in a densely populated EU country which has a net import of 4-5 million metric tons of oil equivalent in electricity annually. Even though there are plenty of charging spots this just isn't sustainable from a financial point of view. They are phasing out nuclear plants while planning to fully shift to EV's. Completely delusional policy.
I mean you could probably make that but those that can WOULD be the more expensive, newer EVs, some can go that whole trip without a charge, many current ones would only need to be charged once or twice max.
I drive a VW ID5 great car, no issues two over the air updates since I got the car in 2022. My next car will be VW I personally see no reason to change.
Reliable software starts first with a good hw architecture. No one seems to fully understand this. My rhetorical question: Why did VW AG sign an agreement with Rivian? This is a good video that explains the benefits of a unified hw/sw platform for ECUs in the system. It is key to reducing complexity, not stuck o OEMs for updates, reduces weight, and making it easier to do OTA updates. Start about 8 minutes in. th-cam.com/video/1DC5AIXX1VA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rxvkFZxLYYNCK7R1
21 I’d.4 owner here. So I agree up to a point. I really love how minimalist the car is. In 15 years, newer tech will be so much better than tech today. My VW has tiny screens, with core functionality, and relies on CarPlay. In 15 years I might like that. Instead of being surrounded by gen 1 iPads.
Trouble is they reliable until there is a problem then they go nowhere and you cant even push them off the road and they always cost a fortune to fix and many are hitting the scrapyards already
The VW ID Buzz won the best utility car award in the Detroit auto show. It has plenty of room for storage and can do an 8 ft plywood or 10 ft pole. Plus very comfortable for 6 passengers to move family members around. It is the most practical auto out there. Great family commuter car. Great design.
@@dochi1958 guess how much they will be next year… when everything EV will treble in price… they think these EV’s are cheap to run just wait until april… not so cheap after all… how stupid people can be thinking they know better!!
@@Climatetruth Citation needed trembling in price! Lithium prices are continuing to decline as more material is produced. EV may be cheaper than ICE by end of this year depending on how lithium they get.
@ So the cost of Nigeria childrens lives dont matter then… as long as the prices come down so you lot can use your EV… mind you the childrens wages probably probably came down to 2pence a day so its a win win for you then!
as a 2 year owner of an volvo XC40 recharge and living in Sweden (with great ev infrastructure)i can understand why people are hesitant about buying EV’s, most people don’t have a house where they can charge their car, the vehicle depreciation alone costs you 1000 euros per month for the first years, trying to sell or trade in a used EV will be a pain in the… the driving experience is super and all the gadgets are just so great…. but if you are lower middle class it’s just not a good financial decision…. not even here in Sweden. note that we drive around 40.000km year and we live in a house with our own charging station. oh…i forgot to mention that pulling a trailer with horses only gives you a range of 100km 😅 so we had to buy a ice car next to our electric car
They maybe more reliable, but depreciation is frightening, not to mention 5 years down the track you are looking at $20k for a new battery in your ageing car.... These things are throw away items... Good for the environment huh...
all my VW ICE where great (not a single problem, even the battery is still the first one after nearly 10 years and 152 000 km) and ID 3 is doing well also. VW is reliable and service is good.
I got my current ICE (2004 Corolla) free from my daughter. Her family grew out of it, and it was spending most of its life in the garage. They needed the space in the garage! Unless a miracle happens, it'll probably outlive me. I would LOVE to be driving an EV though!
In the UK people still buy new small & used ICE cars because they are cheaper on finance (3 Year Lease / PCP plans) and have read all the 'horror stories' about charging from a biased media. New car EV sales are incentivised for fleet purchases (which is much larger in the UK than US) through company car tax incentives. These somewhat reluctant EV owners doing high mileages moan about all sorts of charging issues, etc. and it gets publicised putting off buyers in the 2nd hand market. My EV 64KWhr KIA Soul is great as a town car even on an extended run on the motorway - is just brilliant!
The only issue I have with EV's is that with used Skoda Kodiaq costs 20-25k in my country with 4x4 drive and either diesel or gasoline engine. While same car with EV engine (Skoda Enyaq) costs cheapest at 35k. So for that 10k I can buy gasoline or diesel for 2-3 years. So it doesn't yet make sense to swap into electric, until their prices come down. Alas :/
I looked at a Mitsubishi outlander in exceed spec the ICE only and the PHEV which was around $20,000 more. The difference is similar across the range. I’ve had Mitsubishi before and I have trust in them. As for Chinese made cars when they first arrived in Australia they were rubbish. They are getting better, it’s a matter of trust and it will take time to build that trust.
Meanwhile every year the planet sets a new record high in co2 in the atmosphere. Almost every year is a new a record average warmth. Ocean temps are higher than anything seen in recorded history. So sure, let's keep driving greenhouse gas concentrations higher and higher: what could possibly go wrong?
One of the issues with VW was they wanted to do all their own software. I really like that idea but I am also aware, that is going to be difficult but ultimately better than mix and match. If VW can get the price down with a functional range it will be a killer. Being in Canada, an electric VW made in Mexico would be magnificent.
@@satriojumeneng7055 no we hate all cars and trucks built since 2005 everything it total trash since then! but then again most young people dont have any idea things used to last more than 3 years! and still hold value! but all producers of everything have convinced everyone that it was always that way u just need 7 more jobs a day to afford a toaster! and if it breaks durring shipping its not thier fault you bought it but have to pay the yearly toast fee for 5 years!
I just bought a 2013 Lincoln Navigator full size SUV for $11,900. It is the last year of the V8 it is incredibly well-maintained and has 130k miles on it. It has heated and cooled seats, powered running boards, heated rear seats, and the tow package that can tow 9,000 lbs. Because it is older the personal property taxes and insurance is incredibly cheap. It is a Ford product that has readily available both OEM and aftermarket parts. A comparable EV SUV is 6 or 7 times that much in cost and much more to insure and taxes
I think the head of GM just came out and said it looks like in the near future all cars will be made in China. They have 50% capacity to build every car sold on earth now and growing more fast. If you think it can't happen think about that 75" flat screen TV you see at Walmart for under $500. Even if assembled somewhere else, the components are Cinese. We're in a global market economy and people won't pay the extra $20K-$30K to have cars built by German workers costing over $60/hr (Reuters November 20, 2024) including employer matching and benefits. My VW ID.4 was built in Chattanooga TN in a plant that just voted in the union. Maybe they should have checked with Ford, GM, and Stellantis, who are all working feverishly to take as much manufacturing as possible out of the US.
I have had this feeling for years now that the real troubles EV's will have are still in the future. Presently the buyers of EV's are motivated owners, true believers if you will. They have an ego-stake in the success of EV's. The early adopters will tolerate inconvenience easier than the mass of common drivers. These folks want transportation and little else. Many are not currently situated to charge the vehicle overnight either because their home electrical system needs to be updated to deliver higher voltages and currents, or because they live in multi-family housing and currently the owners of these properties are slow at installing charging ports for residents. I drive a V8 GT car because I like the experience of the gas engine. I will most likely switch to the electric car as soon as the infrastructure is available to charge conveniently, the models improve in range and the plethora of software bugs are cured.
After 35 years of turning wrenches, I agree. But, there's a flip side. Lost jobs, lower incomes, and fewer auto related businesses. Change isn't the issue. How we change is. All action/change has consequences, some good, some bad. How/when will the consequences manifest themselves. Now, or 20 years from now. Think about it!
If you are a renter in USA, you probably don't have access to charging. Apt complexes sometimes have a few charging stations, always a wait. The lack of charging stations will be the big hurdle here. The other issue, is the EVs are so much more expensive here, and the people that can really afford to switch to EV are no longer eligible for tax credits, exp in expensive states like CA.
Some good news. The cost of an EV continues to drop and is now at near parity with a comparable ICE vehicle thanks to a drastic drop in battery costs. You do have access to charging in most urban areas these days. Charge stations are more expensive than charging at a home you own, true. But we will see more and more charging stations added in the near future. I drive a Tesla. I live in suburban Atlanta. There are 2 Tesla supercharger sites within five miles of my house, five within 10 miles, and over a dozen within 30 miles, with one more under construction, four more sites awaiting permit approval. The closest supercharger to my house is ~ 3 miles. I don't use it because I do it at home. The cost to charge at a Tesla supercharger is ~24¢ a KwH. If your own a Model Y with an 80 Kw battery, it costs you ~$19.20 to completely charge from 0 to 100%. Costs me ~ 1/4 of that to do at home. You will see apartment/condo complexes add chargers as the disruption continues. The Inflation Reduction Act passed during the Biden administration sets asides funds to accomplish that. You can hook up an EV to a 110v outlet at your apartment and it will indeed charge an EV, but at a much slower rate than you probably require.
Many renters rent single family homes. Some apartments have their meters located near parking lots and there are now charging devices which can placed at the meters. Where there are problems there will be solutions. When we look for solutions we will find them. When we only look for impasses that's all we will see. EV's, especially used ones, are at similar price points to ICE vehicles.
Why I drive a Diesel car: I can go 1250 km on a single tank, and the car costed me 19 500 euro, 10 years ago. Oh yeah, and maintenance cost is average, 500 euro for regular yearly maintenance, with double oil change per year. I only had a significant, costly issue with the electric system. Had to replace battery, alternator, belt, etc, for 1500 euro 😢 Engine is 2.0 Diesel, very reliable, and car brand and model is the old and reliable Opel Astra (not these new freak Opel generation). 280 000 km and still going. Insane engineering, Opel motors do not change a lot, it is like Toyota motors, they stick with what works and is reliable.
EVs are more reliable but they have more problems on other end e.g. slow charging, battery degradation in extreme conditions, what happens when there is failure in power-plant and there is no electricity to charge batteries etc. They brake a lot less but they have other fundamental problems that limits their practicality when some problem appears (not to mention pollution that battery production generates). Can you imagine people in Ukraine running from bombs in EV when they have electricity only for 2 hours per day? While this is extreme case , it proves the point. I like the most the hybrid approach since it has the best of both worlds e.g. Nissan has hybrids that uses petrol engine to charge battery and electric motors to drive the vehicle (I guess that the others have similar technology). This limits stress on petrol engine so it becomes more reliable, fuel consumption is much more predictable and it omits all the worries about some edge case that might limit someones mobility.
„I.D. 2 will shake up the industry“ … let’s see about that. The interior design is already outdated, and VW has lied about their prices more than once before.
I used to have a Golf TDI. Retired the car with 100k miles. In 10 year ownership I never calculated the service and maintenance cost. It was just a normal thing to pay for but the cost was significant. The engine had 2 major surgeries plus other ICE specific wear and tear issues. I now own an EV for the 3rd year and so far I paid nothing for service and maintenance. My plan is to keep the EV for 8-10 years and so far it works fine.
And yet, i see a lot of complaining about issues with their ev. Some minor, like software connection issues or not being able to login into your profile . But also some major issues, like not being able to charge, smelling smoke or powertrain issues. And with the current winter weather there are also a lot related issues with that. For ICE there are very few issues where you cannot drive anymore and need your car towed. This makes me seriously question whether an ev will be a real hassle free car to switch to.
I can understand the reliability factor, there are less moving parts. ICE fans will mention that batteries are subject to failure and can cost up to £20k to replace, which isn’t necessarily the case. ICE’s can cost as much if not more to replace. Living in the UK I would say the main thing that is holding back EV take up here is the lack of home charging chances. Electric here is expensive and some charging points owned by the oil companies can cost up to 86p per kw. To fuel an HEV you are looking at an equivalent of approximately 21p per kw. Basically if you don’t have access to home charging in the UK then it isn’t financially viable to own an EV. I’m a fan of EV’s, but as I can’t charge from home at 7p per kw, it’s probably best for me to stick with my Toyota hybrid. If public charging ever becomes more affordable then it’ll most definitely be a consideration for me to switch to an EV.
Less or More Moving parts has nothing to due with reliability. Quality Control is EVERYTHING. There is a good reason Rivian and even Tesla is on the Bottom of the Reliability Rating Chart on multiple publications.
Oh then im glad i've never owned a ICE car from VW as my id.4 ev has been the worst car i've ever owned. Been to the mecanic 6 times and im about to book the 7 appointment 👍 VW Das Auto 😅
Looking at their resale value and insurance costs, they are a lot more expensive. That's one of the many reasons I am not buying an EV. I watch your channel, waiting for that major technology change in EVs. I might wait another five years to see where we are with EVs, but I wouldn't buy one today.
This is pure propaganda! You have idiots commenting here, who still think that the electricity to charge their cars comes from "that building over there!" ROFL What a hoot! The battery fires alone are reason enough for me NOT to buy an EV and have a ticking time bomb sitting in my garage that could destroy everything I own and maybe even my life in a fire the firefighters cannot put out. I often take a trip that is 1,450 miles one way. I drive 725 miles per day and make it in 2 days easily, driving 11-12 hours a day, with just a few 10-minute stops to get gasoline and go to the restroom. Making that same trip in an EV would be a logistical nightmare. Features?? I have "features" on my present gasoline powered car I never use, like seat heaters, cruise control (I never use it, not even on long trips). Navigator systems?? I have a friend who uses his in-car navigator for even short trips around town. He gets misled and lost frequently. Me? I drive straight to where I want to go with no problem reviewing my trip on Google earth before leaving home. EVs are the biggest boondoggle ever perpetrated on the consuming public!
And you refuse to get into the depreciation aspect of EV’s and how they fall behind in the technology space… they are out of date so quickly, with technology advancing rapidly, and battery tech being superseded, no wonder EV’s aren’t sustainable.!!
I bought a used Hyundai Kona EV three years old with 20000 miles on it. It had A full factory warranty for 100000 miles. A life of the car battery replacement warranty.The energy it cost to operate is a third as much as gasoline or less. Thats not including maintenance of the ice car. Dam! where is the risk.
My son bought a used EV and couldn't be happier. We live in the SF Bay Area and my son has compared costs factoring in the Bay Area's way over priced electricity and gasoline. Costs savings are robust and very real at US$200+ per month. The hassle factor, i.e., gassing up weekly, or more often, is completely eliminated by home charging overnight. That did cost an additional US$1K for the home charger and installation. So people in the lower economic brackets may find the transition EVs not doable.
EVs will become like smartphones. Very reliable until your screen breaks, which costs more than a new phone. I don't think we will have major service intervals on EVs. Just keep it 5 years until it's exhausted then buy a new one. This is why EVs must be cheap and recyclable. They're not meant to be kept around for decades.
Hahaha that's why there's a class suit being launched in the U.S. against Audi and its E-tron, because it's "too reliable" you know...people are tired of not spending money on maintenance with their E-trons and, before any parts are replaced, it bursts into flames! 😂😂 And there there's Porsche recalling 1000s of Taycans and telling people in the UK "don't park it near building nor charge it unattended"! They don't even know how to fix it. In the meantime, they will limit charging to 80%, because EVs are too reliable, you know? 😂😂
Only a proof that some brands can't adapt to major changes on their industry. It is reliable when it's correctly made, as any new car should be. When you see this kind of recalls, it is basically engineering mistakes due to the novelty. Almost all brands know how to create very high quality thermal cars because they did that for decades, but a few of them are struggling to make at least one decent electric car because they don't have enough experience on the subject.
In Europa the dealers won't even buy a used EV back if you want to change your car . A new EV is 33 % more expensive than a gas powered car . I like to get a Skoda Elroq , but Monthly payments are twice so high!! That's the problem!!! And electric bill is high in Europe!
I used to own a 4 year old BMW sedan. It was in the shop regularly for all kinds of service work. Each visit costs more than $1,000. I sold it after a couple of years of ownership. The reliability was just not good enough.
I guess you haven't considered that a lot of people would have no way of charging at home. Which might be the problem when being told to do something by people with large driveways and plenty of room. I'd buy an EV if I could charge at home. Paying 75 pence per kwh on public chargers is not a cost effective solution.
@Beck-b9g Probably people who would rather pay 7p per kwh rather than 10 times as much at a public charger. And at home there is no waiting, it's just charging while you are sleeping.
So in 4:07 you claim that benefit of EV over ICE car is that you dont have to fill gas tank every week. I find if very dishonest that you did not mention that instead of 15minutes once per week at service station you have to charge your car two three times a week for total time of what? 18hours?
Sam, The single most important feature to Vehicle Reliability is the ownership demographics. Wealthier buyers are going to spend on maintenance and brush off repairs while they park them in a heated garage, poorer buyers park their cars on the street with the snow and salt, often neglect maintenance "what's that dash light all about?", and drive them harder and stop more abruptly. Most EVs are owned by wealthier buyers and so EVs will seem more reliable. EVs have not hit the abusive owner end of the market yet. That will reveal the true picture.
I would love an EV, but NO WAY can I afford ANY new car, so an old 4Cyl POS will be my next car after I spend then next three years saving up the $4k I need for one. I wish there were old EVs out there I could afford, but that is twenty years minimum away!
"I don't have to fill up my car in the gas station every week", typical remark from someone who thinks everyone can recharge its EV at home! It's getting annoying to hear the same litany!
EVs haven’t really been around long enough yet to determine whether they’re reliable or long lasting or not. I bought a new VW Golf TDI in 2006 and it has been incredibly reliable. It’s our everyday car and we still do very long road trips with it. Similar story with my 1995 Daihatsu Charade. I think it’s unlikely any of these Chinese EVs will be around for as long as my Golf (19 years) and Daihatsu (30 years) have been.
Complex they never expected China to take off like it did.Plus bosses won't listen to engineers when they should.VW could have been top and now they are playing catch up
Sam - You've had several episodes about Japanese car makers, but I haven't seen anything about Subaru. Very popular here in the Pacific Northwest part of the USA. How is Subaru doing?
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Thats why dealers don't want to sell EV's as they make their money on Maintenance and Repairs.
Very good point. They also make good money selling lease returns and trade ins. Absent with Tesla.
That's why all EV OEMs should switch to Tesla's direct sales model.
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No they dont… i dont use main dealer as dont most who buy there cars… most use local garages! These EV’s are more expensive to repair anyways…
@@philterzian9162 You mean a loss surely! Thats why they are going bust or the government bails them out again!
I drive a Tesla Model X from 2018. It has 144 000 kilometers on it, and the only maintenance it’s needed has been the annual tire swap (winter/summer-as required by law here in Sweden), occasional car washes and periodically topping off the windshield washer fluid. It did get some warranty work done a few years in: the front control arms got squeaky and had to be replaced, as the right side steering wheel scroll wheel (also got replaced (both under warranty). 6+ years in, the battery still holds 93% of its original capacity. Other than that, the car still looks and feels like new. It’s really amazing. It will probably be years before I replace it, and then it will most likely be only for another Tesla.
Next will be a catostrophic failure. Thats what EVS do.
Wow! 144.000 km brake discs and pads.
@@markmiller8903ja ja schon klar....
@@markmiller8903 Nope. The motherboard on my Tesla Model X quit a few years ago while I was driving it. The screen went black but the car performed until I reached home and then wouldn't start again. Tesla dropped by my house and swapped out the motherboard the next day right there for free under warranty. There was no catastrophic failure other than I describe. Don't try to tell me that ICE cars never break down where you can't drive them, it happened to me plenty of times over the years. The timing change on my Dodge Stealth blew while I was driving it several years ago and that was that for that car.
Concerning the motherboard failure on the X, a part broke like happens with all mechanical devices from time to time. Ever had a computer motherboard go bad on a computer you use at home? Almost all of us have experienced that at some point. Other than that, the two MXes I've owned have performed flawlessly since 2017.
Critics point to car fires. Well, it turns out that ICE vehicles catch fire at 12 times the rate of EVs. The foregoing is according to published statistics. It is true that a couple of EV models put out by legacy auto did catch fire sitting in garages. That's more the result of legacy auto trying to catch up with EV technology and failing than to inherent flaws in the EV model.
There is an obsession with away from home charging. VW was required by a court settlement to build EV charging stations in the U.S. VW put them in as the court order required and forgot them. Chargepoint USA was a disaster from the beginning and continues to be one because of mismanagement and poor maintenance, not the concept of establishing public charging stations. Tesla's far more extensive supercharger network's chargers are up 99% of the time. If you're on a trip, your Tesla will inform you of where you need to stop for a charge, take you there, and keeps you informed of how many charging stations are open at a given site at all times. I installed a 220v line at my house to charge my MX and that is where I do 95% or so of my charging. I use a supercharger 3-5 times or so a year on average, the rest occurs in my driveway. The angst over how many charging stations are out there is misguided. You charge your EV at home.
People ask me how long it takes to charge my car at home. My standard reply is 30 seconds, about how long it takes to hook up the charging line to the car. It's no more complicated than plugging in your smartphone. The reason I say 30 seconds is the charging occurs at night while I'm sleeping when electricity is cheaper. I plug it in, go about my business and to bed. When I wake up, the X is fully charged and ready to go for another week.
Oh, one other thing -- Tesla agreed to open it's supercharger network to makes from other OEMs last year. Starting this year, you can charge your MachE, for example, at a Tesla supercharger for the usual rate. Tesla's currently has 60,000 charge points in its global network with ~12k or so in the U.S.
Plus, the Inflation Reduction Act is set up to vastly expand the public charging network in the U.S. starting in 2027 when installations begin. By 2030, public EV chargers will be everywhere-- freeway rest stops, downtown in urban areas, shopping malls, etc, etc. A supercharger I occasionally use when visiting relatives is located behind a Dunkin' Donuts with several other restaurants within easy walking distance.
Right now at this moment, legacy ICE manufacturers are going belly up in China. Not one or two, all of them. EVs have now surpassed 60% of new sales in China, the largest car market in the world. In the U.S., EVs commanded 10% of sales last year which is considered the tipping point when a disruption occurs. All German automakers are in dire to serious trouble. Nissan and Honda recently announced a merger to try and stave off bankruptcy. GM's sales in China, its largest market, have collapsed. VW, the world's 2nd largest OEM, has seen profits cut in half in one year. The market shakeout is here and most legacy automakers slow to adopt EV technology will be gone by the end of the decade. That includes Toyota. Ford has a chance to survive, but has to solve its dealership and labor problems as it struggles to catch up. Ford sees the future, GM continues to produce mostly hot air.
In 2014, analyst Tony Seba predicted the cost of battery packs for EVs, the most expensive component in an EV, would fall 90% by 2024. Seba was slightly off, the cost of a batteries has dropped even faster than he predicted. The cost of an EV is now equal to a comparable ICE car and prices will continue to drop.
Do yourself a favour and check brake fluid (it's hygroscopic) swap the cabin air filter and replace the dry bag for the HVAC.
Akio Toyoda said the same thing in a public presentation 15 years ago and added it was why Toyota needed to promote the ICE. He wanted to create an alternative to EVs that would require lots of moving parts--such as hydrogen power. It was when Toyota hedged its bets by purchasing a big block of Tesla stock that it dumped after Toyoda discovered that he was unable to work with Musk. That stock investment would be worth more than the total capitalization of Toyota.
“unable to work with” is Japanese for “Elon told me where to shove my orders…”😂
Toyota put a lot of effort fighting California clean air rules, one of our cars is a Toyota, boring as shyt to drive.
Interesting. As an Engineer I’ve been working why Toyota ever bet on Hydrogen for personal vehicles as it makes no sense to do so. Hydrogen handling costs are insanely expensive due to the pressure and losses associated in producing, handling, and converting back to electricity with a fuel cell. Makes more sense now. Complexity can be profitable if alternatives are not available.
that explains a lot
Toyota said when he realized the number of people who build engines would be put out of work he shifted his focus. But, I think that often with new technologies new jobs are created. We still look fondly back at cottage industries that no longer exist, but the world's not going back there.
I sold my Corvette 2 years ago. Sold my 12 mpg f150 few months ago. I love speed. That why I love my much faster Model Y. Oregon❤
and the Model Y is also much quieter than that rumbling sound the Corvette made. I love sound. That´s why I love playing streaming music from my Samsung Android Phone with wireless earbuds - instead of listening to vinyl records through that old, heavy McIntosh integrated amplifier with KEF Reference 107 loudspeakers. Unbelievable how many kilowatts per hour that big, old system spent when an Android phone does "exactly the same" with much less fuss ...... Just take it with a big smile:)
You are the only F-150 owner who tells the truth about gas mileage. May be the only F-150 owner capable of calculating gas mileage 😂
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck adds a lotsa of optimism until it looks more ok.
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck Mabie the only non red neck F 150 owner?
I bought a 2023 VW ID.4 ProS RWD almost a year ago and will never go back to an ICE vehicle. Had been driving Subaru's for over 20 years but couldn't bring myself to buy the Solterra due to looks (so ugly a mother couldn't love it) and range / charging time. I've driven the car 20K miles in about 7 months with zero problems. With 3 years free charging from VW I've spent less than $50 on charging in that entire time for the few times I had/wanted to pay at a charging station. My Subaru Ascent cost more than that to fill up each tank - which I did 1-2 times each week. Oil changes had risen to over $100 and replacing the spark plugs on the Subaru required to maintain warranty was about $400. This car practically pays for itself. Plus nobody can steal my catalytic converter - because I don't have one. Tires still look great after 20K. VW, please build a low price truck or van (EV, Hybrid, or ICE that can be used for service vehicles. No more promises of $20K vehicles you can't buy. (Ford Maverick.) We love you VW, so please get your act together and build a "people's car" again!
You mean “people’s small pickup.” ❤ They could sell MILLIONS! If they’d only try…
Well said!!!
Why did you buy a VW instead of a Tesla or any other EV Brand out there ?
@@SMOKYMTNPATRIOT They’re developing an electric Amarok atm and they already have an electric van the ID Buzz Cargo
@@marco2982 Probably for the same reason I bought my VW ID.5 always drove VW and Audi cars and never had any problems and thoroughly satisfied with the brand and build quality
The realty of the internal combustion engine is that it is at the end of it's design life cycle. There are few improvements to be made that will radically change their performance and it has been that way for the last ten years. Battery technology on the other hand is in its infancy with huge strides being made in terms of life cycle and capacity and yet many more to come.
EVs may be better, but, in my opinion, the reason the ICE engine hasn't had massive improvements in efficiency is purposeful neglect.
I used to subscribe to Popular Mechanics back in the 1980s. I remember an article about an engineer (an environmentalist concerned with fuel economy) who tinkered around in his spare time with his stock Ford Taurus. By substituting rotating cylinders with fixed holes for valves and camshafts, and doing a lot with exhaust gas recirculation, he got over 100 mpg with a stock 150-200 hp engine. He then drove the car to DC and testified in a congressional hearing on fuel economy.
Imagine developing and evolving those ideas over the last 40 years, and you'd probably have vehicles with twice the power and twice the mpg.
Why the auto manufacturers didn't radically innovate the ICE is a mystery. I'm guessing corporate greed (short-term profits vs long-term R&D costs), and not wanting to piss of big oil were major factors.
In any case, their neglect has insured the success of EVs.
@@randallperry5071 Over the years there have been many iterations of the ICE some good some bad but no matter what you do you cant get past the basic principals of the engine itself I.E. it burns a flammable fuel which among other things produces heat, heat that has no usable energy, heat that has to be dissipated. That heat makes up around 50% of the available potential energy of the fuel and no matter how you look at it that heat is wasted. All technologies have a point where they can go no further and the ICE has come to that point.
@randallperry5071 The ICE is done getting any better. 125yrs of massive research and development shows no more advancement is coming. Do you think if Toyota, Mazda or Ford could build a ( reliable) 100 mile/ gallon car they would not? Ofcourse they would. .
@GWAForUTBE Hard to know. Since EVs are taking over (both technically, and legislatively) there's not much incentive to radically innovate the ICE; makes no sense to spend a lot of R&D $$ on something that will be either supplanted and/or banned in the very near future.
The only place this would make sense is with heavy machinery currently running on diesel (as there probably won't be any EV versions of those for a very long time, if at all).
@randallperry5071 The ICE has had 125yrs & countless hours of research & development. It's never getting better. Never getting anywhere near as efficient electric motors are. The electric motor is and always will be superiorly efficient. Why waste 60- 80% of your fuel in heat?
Supplemented?? The fossil fuel industry is subsidized trillions every year.
Electricity can & is being created effective & efficient DIY in large numbers growing.
Gasaholeline will always be a monopoly.
Also, go back to the late 1990s with the GM EV1 they tried out in CA. GM eventually took all the cars back and crushed them even though many people liked the cars and offered to buy them!
It looks pretty obvious the GM figured out that EVs would hurt new car sales when the only thing you would replacing is batteries from time to time.
Side note: EV1 used lead- acid batteries!
Not just costing arm and a leg to run an ice car but I love when the UK , the US and others bang on about "energy security" to the reason about "keeping the price of oil down" as if the oil men are there to help the little people with cost down.
With EV one could charge from their home solar and cutting out the middle and oil countries who hold those dependence to ransom.
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Exactly! And more EVs will bring oil demand down and oil prices will probably decline (because the supply will be higher than the demand)
Ask yourself why we rely on politically unstable states and corrupt governments for our energy.
And wonder why we're told charging your car from your solar panels is bad.
Yes my jaguar 2.2 diesel X-Type which is paid for and worth £2000 is expensive to run. I use £20 a month in diesel. I must spend £45,000 on a cheaper to run EV that will depreciate 70% in 3 years.
An EV WILL NOT SAVE ME MONEY IT WILL COST ME TENS OF THOUSANDS A YEAR IN DEPRECIATION.
And if I get an old EV the batteries could need replacing costing tens of thousands of pounds. EVs are not cheaper to run than my 17 year old diesel.
@@seekeroftruthandjust I used to talk that way too until I bought an EV a decade ago. Truth be told it didn't cost more than the ICE vehicles I was considering and compared to my wife's similarly sized ICE vehicle between fuel and maintenance the EV has cost me almost $3,000 less per year to run than my wifes ICE vehicle saving me $30,000 over the past decade. When the battery finally goes it will cost me around $5,000 to replace it with a new modern battery while it will cost almost double that for a new modern engine for my wife's car.
The reality has been that the EV have already been much cheaper to own and the savings have been getting even better with the newer models while with ICE its only going to continue to get much, much worse. If you drive your vehicle until its worn out depreciation becomes a non-issue EV depreciation mind you was driven by a false perception fostered by ICE lobbyists with anti-EV propaganda that only serves to line their pockets with their grossly inflated ill-gotten gains.
Best!
German charging infrastructure is getting really good these days, in some parts (north, especially northeast, former east germany) it's still poor but even there it's improving fast. Along the busy highways huge charging stations are built, and more and more electric trucks are seen.
Ive worked in a noisy dirty, wet coal wash plant. Those electric motors run 24 hrs a day 7 days a weeek and last for years. Average person prob drives their car for 1 hr a day so 365 hrs a yr. Thats like 15 days of run time on an electric motor in a coal wash plant/ factory.
It's not the motors that go wrong, it's the complex battery and computers that drive them.
@@peterpan6821 The motor is more complex than the battery, the computer and electric drive systems are the complex parts but those now exist in all cars.
@peterpan6821 Fair point, but the battery and monitoring BMS are relatively simple. The control electronics is complicated, but everything about an ICE is complicated. I look at it this way. An ICE will have hundreds more parts than an EV. Many less points of failure. Much less to maintain.
@@peterpan6821 ICE engines and transmissions are far more "complex" than an EV battery. A technology being new and less understood by a larger percentage of the population does not make it more complex.
The one thing we know is that most problems which exist today with EV's will not exist even in the next few years. Even the crappy cars of the 70's were quickly corrected once necessity required it.
Yep, the battery is the frigate part currently but that’s getting cheaper and cheaper. Hopefully there will be a seventy breakthrough soon (solid state).
We have 3 VW's. We bought an EGolf in 2017. It's had 2 problems; the front passenger side brake backing plate was damaged by a chunk of ice 2 winters ago; replaced. Also there is a recall out for two valves on the heat pump.
This little car has been so much fun to drive( most ICE cars don't stand a chance at the lights). Costs C$ 2.50 to charge at home. Yes drive an EV for a week, you'll never go back to driving an auto tranny gas car.
I've got a id3 and it's fu.king brilliant, beats most cars away from the lights including Porsche's, it's so fast I love it. No noise , no screeching tyre's 😂.....just peace and quiet. It's superb....try one ...test drive one and you'll be surprised what your missing.
dude. even on paper id3 has lower performance than a 20yr old 350z
@@Paul-ey1ct I have driven an ID3. I loved it. Yes, it’s quiet, refined and well made. But cost the owner £48k. Same as I’d paid for my Toyota Supra A91. The Supra makes a delicious burble and puts a smile on face every time I start it up. When I want it to go slow and smooth, it’ll do exactly that. When I want a buzz, I push a little button called ‘nutter mode’ and she tightens up her steering and suspension, opens the exhaust and makes really proper car noises. 4 sec to 60 is easy enough, still feels like I’ve achieved something significant. In an ID3; twice as simple, not as fast, yet, for all the smoothness and clinical precision, it wasn’t as satisfying. It was also significantly heavier. The ID3 is as exciting as a new, very expensive washing machine. The Supra, that’s a classic. The sadness, is the Politics say the Supra is a dinosaur. It burns dino juice, so it belongs in a museum, and for me now, that’s part of the joy. I’m going to keep burning the dino-juice as it’s more fun, in this one precious life of mine, than driving an ID3, even if it’s like a machine from the Jetsons
@@sullivanrachael probably just you can imagine how I love driving my 79 W116 450 SEL 6.9!......Old School V8 Power 😉😍
@@bjornaltmann8184 - yeah. Definitely a proper car. V8, dino-juice burner! Enjoy before the hand-wringers and bureaucrats find a way to make it go the way of the dinosaurs. I feel sad that the millennials, or too many of them, believe EVs are the way to go, and the emotional feeling of being at one with a car is an experience they’ll never have, and worse - they’ll believe they never should’ve needed. That Mercedes was made when I was 4 years old. My M&D had a 1938 MG TA for fun and rallies. The everyday car was a 1969 Ford Cortina Mk2 1600e. Both cars were loved and although Dad died a year ago, Mum keeps the MG and I have custodianship of the 1600e. Not fast cars by today’s standards - but they have a more smiles per mile rating than most vehicles. The fact they turn a lot of heads certainly adds pride to ownership, and that’s worth a lot to me
@@Paul-ey1ct Dude even the fastest GTX Performance only goes 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, you might be passing a Porsche driving slower than you but you definitely aren’t beating a Porsche when they’re racing lol
Recently switched from a Volkswagen Golf 8 into a brand new Volkswagen ID.5 and I absolutely love it, it’s quick it’s quiet and cheap to charge
Doesn't mean the rest of us want one.
@@peterpan6821 what a weird response and who’s “us”? Speak for yourself not everyone else.
Good for you.
Repairs on ICE is huge. I always looked at the number of doors the dealer had for repairs. I concluded that German cars had the highest number of doors and i bought only Toyota and Honda.
My EV has a motor far less parts to go wrong than a combustion engine.The battery is a pack under the car surrounded by a solid frame.Of course the main bought news is bull shitting us that is their job.
Working on a chemical plant Electric motors run 24/7 feeding plants with liquid.
But when it goes frong, something with engine/battery.. you are basically fucked...
@@sub7up.not at all, both are repairable. Often for less than replacing an ICE motor. Sorry😂
@@devonbikefilms Sure, i own a workshop where 80% of the cars on the road are ev's...
@@sub7up.Why?
Battery packs are replaceable. Numbers I have seen for new battery packs for Tesla are $6k to $12k. Can you buy a new EV in the US for $12k?
And why would a EV motor fail (unless it is crash damage)?
EV motor: rotor and stator very thin sheet steel stack; copper windings on stator; rotor may or may not have magnets; steel shaft; huge ceramic ball bearings.
What is the failure mode for these EV motor components compared to piston rings, valve seals and seats, all the bearings (crank, rod, cam, etc.) in ICE?
Next time I look for a car it may be an EV hopefully when that time comes pricing will be inline with what I consider affordable. My current ICE vehicle is paid off and I can get 150,000 more miles out of it.
Depends on the Country you live in. Australia has limited charging stations . Long distance between cities and ICE cars are cheaper to buy than a EV.
What the hell do you expect VW executives to say??😂 Yes we put a whole bunch of money in this and we're in a lot of trouble and we're losing money and yeah we f***** up ..😮
If your daily commute is within city, I think EV is the route to go...charging at home is critical
Once I had driven a few EVs (Tesla Model S, Lucid Air, BYD Han, Polestar 2 Performance, Nio ET7, BYD Han, HiPhi X), it was clear that my next car and all the others after it would be EVs. I'm driving a Lucid Air now.
I am driving a 1979 W116 Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9 and I am also very happy to drive it! 😉😄
The lucid brand is probably my favourite in the US.
You drove BYD Han twice.
I have a European ev. I really know my service manager very, very, well. And it's not all software issues. though they dominate. As for price, add €10k up front. Handling is sluggish (1/2 Tonne of battery). Battery is noticeably degraded after 4 years. Public charging in Europe is total rubbish. I can't afford to replace my car as resale price has tanked. I think I know why people hesitate.
The market is split. If you can charge at home (or work), buy a BEV. If you can't buy an ICE or PHEV. Maybe someday public charging will be everywhere, but until then there will still be a healthy market for ICE cars.
I would love to be in a position to afford an EV, but sadly probably never. I have a later variant Citroen Berlingo van, and it is great [not very powerful, but that is okay] and good on fuel. I'd love to have the car variant of it as an EV, but the price is crazy.
In any case I have another four years till I retire, and will not run a private car once retired, so I am hoping my van will last that long, and I'll scrap it and hand in my Driving Licence immediately I get the State Pension.
Best wishes from George in UK
They're still buying ICE vehicles in the USA because there aren't enough equivalent cost BEV vehicles and the charging network hasn't been built out, especially in the less populated and wide open middle part of the country.
Nah the US has probably the best charging network after China, it's just the BEV vehicles cost and variety. There are still some spots but the more rural you go the more you have home charging.
Edit: I forgot about Norway so of the ones I know the US is 3rd, with Norway probably being first but that's partially because of their size.
I don't think it has anything to do with the charging network. Most people with EVs charge from home. I think it has more to do with politics and big business pushing against it. I'm always amazed how the powerful can convince the ill informed to move against their own interest. Always with the same tactics. This is more prevalent in the US then anywhere. Nonetheless I think the inescapable near future is EV. It will be delayed state wide, but it won't be stopped.
I am curious, if Republicans will start buying EVs because of Musk?
@@austriasalzburg Interesting. But I think they hate Musk now. They will hate him more when he automates manual work with robots and moves production to China. Their hero will quickly become their nemesis. Musk strategy of alignment to Trump was a stroke of pure genius IMO. Love or hate the man you can't deny his business acumen.
@ Some of them already do because Tesla has that 'brand' to it. It's why in the US Tesla vehicles are basically considered separate to other EVs, even other US EVs.
The dealership model is on the verge of collapse.
On one hand, the cost of maintaining ICE cars is skyrocketing due to rising labor costs and the increasing prevalence of features in modern ICE vehicles that are difficult to repair or maintain yourself.
On the other hand, EVs are improving in quality and require progressively less maintenance.
This marks not just the end of the ICE age but the decline of an entire industry-from manufacturing to the traditional sales model.
Yes they used to be reliable but they brought in those horrible DSG gearboxes that had problems for years. Undeliverable when the DSG gearbox failed and often the car would be scrapped because it costs thousands to change the gearbox
Many people had to take massive losses trying to sell their used VW and Audi with these dodgy gearboxes or pay the $4000 and upwards fees to repair or replace them
Then there’s the mechatronic unit which often failed on the Audi Q7 models and some other models I believe. Very costly to fix and again often not viable to fix as the used value was quite low Again customers would take a huge hit on them and wish they had had bought a Toyota instead
There’s also the dieselgate issue where for years they cheated the diesel emissions tests. So they were gassing us with their diesel vehicles and they didn’t even need gas chambers Evil people running VW
Well VW sales were 4.6 million in 2024 dropping fast from record years from 2016-2019 when it was number one so I guess their karma is now repaying them
Yes and the irony is Fair Trading here in Sydney will only issue dealer licences to people who open a physical dealership and pay the $1800 fee for the application and you have to get council approval beforehand which can costs thousands of dollars even if it’s a industrial shed you’re renting to house a couple cars
They don’t recognise that most cars are sold online nowadays as people don’t walk along Parramatta rd looking at all the dealers to buy a car anymore. That was in the last century but our government department is stuck in the last century unfortunately and are not pro business
Welcome to Australia where government try to make money out of business at every turn and strangle the opportunities of hard working Australians
That is what I have been saying.No need for dealerships anymore.Your EV can be checked at home .Also some good opportunities for small workshops who can deal with EV'S if needed maitenance.Like brakes and fluid checks.Mechanics train to look after a EV and you have a future good job.
They charge a lot more for evs
Thats why Mercedes Sold them
A sub $30,000 drive-away EV in Australia and it is over, likewise around the world I would suggest.
Thank you.
I need an ICE vehicle because I live in northern canada. When I drive from my place to my parents house it's like 600km with very few charging spots in between. In northern canada the infrastructure is poor and the distances are very large. Also if there is a problem there are very few people with such knowledge around.
I live in a densely populated EU country which has a net import of 4-5 million metric tons of oil equivalent in electricity annually. Even though there are plenty of charging spots this just isn't sustainable from a financial point of view. They are phasing out nuclear plants while planning to fully shift to EV's. Completely delusional policy.
I mean you could probably make that but those that can WOULD be the more expensive, newer EVs, some can go that whole trip without a charge, many current ones would only need to be charged once or twice max.
LOL! That's really funny. Thanks for the chuckles.
VW id.4 brake fluid change interval is 2 years. Tesla is 4 years. Nissan Leaf is every 15,000 miles.
I drive a VW ID5 great car, no issues two over the air updates since I got the car in 2022.
My next car will be VW I personally see no reason to change.
I agree with the ID4 not being as good as other leading EV's
VW doesn't even know how to build reliable software for their cars.
Reliable software starts first with a good hw architecture. No one seems to fully understand this. My rhetorical question: Why did VW AG sign an agreement with Rivian?
This is a good video that explains the benefits of a unified hw/sw platform for ECUs in the system. It is key to reducing complexity, not stuck o OEMs for updates, reduces weight, and making it easier to do OTA updates. Start about 8 minutes in.
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21 I’d.4 owner here.
So I agree up to a point. I really love how minimalist the car is.
In 15 years, newer tech will be so much better than tech today.
My VW has tiny screens, with core functionality, and relies on CarPlay.
In 15 years I might like that. Instead of being surrounded by gen 1 iPads.
VW bought a Chinese software company to fix it.
but vw is a good liar
There is nothing wrong with our ID4’s software.
Of course. It has less parts. Less problems.
Trouble is they reliable until there is a problem then they go nowhere and you cant even push them off the road and they always cost a fortune to fix and many are hitting the scrapyards already
The VW ID Buzz won the best utility car award in the Detroit auto show. It has plenty of room for storage and can do an 8 ft plywood or 10 ft pole. Plus very comfortable for 6 passengers to move family members around. It is the most practical auto out there. Great family commuter car. Great design.
Funny thing though, the first thing to break down on a car is some electrical component.
@@danielduggan7126 Guess how much those ventilator hoses cost for an EV?
@@dochi1958 guess how much they will be next year… when everything EV will treble in price… they think these EV’s are cheap to run just wait until april… not so cheap after all… how stupid people can be thinking they know better!!
@@Climatetruth
Citation needed trembling in price!
Lithium prices are continuing to decline as more material is produced. EV may be cheaper than ICE by end of this year depending on how lithium they get.
@ So the cost of Nigeria childrens lives dont matter then… as long as the prices come down so you lot can use your EV… mind you the childrens wages probably probably came down to 2pence a day so its a win win for you then!
@@Climatetruth "when everything EV will treble in price" Why is tis going to happen? Is it a specific country?
as a 2 year owner of an volvo XC40 recharge and living in Sweden (with great ev infrastructure)i can understand why people are hesitant about buying EV’s, most people don’t have a house where they can charge their car, the vehicle depreciation alone costs you 1000 euros per month for the first years, trying to sell or trade in a used EV will be a pain in the…
the driving experience is super and all the gadgets are just so great…. but if you are lower middle class it’s just not a good financial decision…. not even here in Sweden. note that we drive around 40.000km year and we live in a house with our own charging station. oh…i forgot to mention that pulling a trailer with horses only gives you a range of 100km 😅 so we had to buy a ice car next to our electric car
They maybe more reliable, but depreciation is frightening, not to mention 5 years down the track you are looking at $20k for a new battery in your ageing car.... These things are throw away items... Good for the environment huh...
all my VW ICE where great (not a single problem, even the battery is still the first one after nearly 10 years and 152 000 km) and ID 3 is doing well also. VW is reliable and service is good.
exactly!
Oh brother! Don’t get me started on my ATLAS!
Junk! Junk! Junk!
I got my current ICE (2004 Corolla) free from my daughter. Her family grew out of it, and it was spending most of its life in the garage. They needed the space in the garage!
Unless a miracle happens, it'll probably outlive me. I would LOVE to be driving an EV though!
In the UK people still buy new small & used ICE cars because they are cheaper on finance (3 Year Lease / PCP plans) and have read all the 'horror stories' about charging from a biased media. New car EV sales are incentivised for fleet purchases (which is much larger in the UK than US) through company car tax incentives. These somewhat reluctant EV owners doing high mileages moan about all sorts of charging issues, etc. and it gets publicised putting off buyers in the 2nd hand market. My EV 64KWhr KIA Soul is great as a town car even on an extended run on the motorway - is just brilliant!
The only issue I have with EV's is that with used Skoda Kodiaq costs 20-25k in my country with 4x4 drive and either diesel or gasoline engine. While same car with EV engine (Skoda Enyaq) costs cheapest at 35k. So for that 10k I can buy gasoline or diesel for 2-3 years. So it doesn't yet make sense to swap into electric, until their prices come down. Alas :/
I looked at a Mitsubishi outlander in exceed spec the ICE only and the PHEV which was around $20,000 more. The difference is similar across the range. I’ve had Mitsubishi before and I have trust in them. As for Chinese made cars when they first arrived in Australia they were rubbish. They are getting better, it’s a matter of trust and it will take time to build that trust.
I do it because it’s fun! Let me worry about my costs and you worry about yours. There’s plenty of room for everyone!
Meanwhile every year the planet sets a new record high in co2 in the atmosphere.
Almost every year is a new a record average warmth. Ocean temps are higher than anything seen in recorded history.
So sure, let's keep driving greenhouse gas concentrations higher and higher: what could possibly go wrong?
@@PHa-l6v we’re far more dangerous to each other politically and socially to think ruining the environment will take us out first.
Why? - Old habits die hard and 50% of people are terrified of change.
Not as simple as you claim
Besides reliability and cost savings, it’s also the speed of charging, the distance it covers on a full battery tank.
One of the issues with VW was they wanted to do all their own software. I really like that idea but I am also aware, that is going to be difficult but ultimately better than mix and match. If VW can get the price down with a functional range it will be a killer. Being in Canada, an electric VW made in Mexico would be magnificent.
I guess ICE mechanics hate EV cars badly because they can no longer rip off their customers.
Yeah. There’s no check engine light, responsible for billions in annual revenue!
@@satriojumeneng7055 no we hate all cars and trucks built since 2005 everything it total trash since then! but then again most young people dont have any idea things used to last more than 3 years! and still hold value! but all producers of everything have convinced everyone that it was always that way u just need 7 more jobs a day to afford a toaster! and if it breaks durring shipping its not thier fault you bought it but have to pay the yearly toast fee for 5 years!
I just bought a 2013 Lincoln Navigator full size SUV for $11,900. It is the last year of the V8 it is incredibly well-maintained and has 130k miles on it. It has heated and cooled seats, powered running boards, heated rear seats, and the tow package that can tow 9,000 lbs. Because it is older the personal property taxes and insurance is incredibly cheap. It is a Ford product that has readily available both OEM and aftermarket parts. A comparable EV SUV is 6 or 7 times that much in cost and much more to insure and taxes
VW: back up words with 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty ! that would be game changer ..
VW will slap their badge on a BYD car and call it done.
I think the head of GM just came out and said it looks like in the near future all cars will be made in China. They have 50% capacity to build every car sold on earth now and growing more fast. If you think it can't happen think about that 75" flat screen TV you see at Walmart for under $500. Even if assembled somewhere else, the components are Cinese. We're in a global market economy and people won't pay the extra $20K-$30K to have cars built by German workers costing over $60/hr (Reuters November 20, 2024) including employer matching and benefits. My VW ID.4 was built in Chattanooga TN in a plant that just voted in the union. Maybe they should have checked with Ford, GM, and Stellantis, who are all working feverishly to take as much manufacturing as possible out of the US.
I have had this feeling for years now that the real troubles EV's will have are still in the future. Presently the buyers of EV's are motivated owners, true believers if you will. They have an ego-stake in the success of EV's. The early adopters will tolerate inconvenience easier than the mass of common drivers. These folks want transportation and little else. Many are not currently situated to charge the vehicle overnight either because their home electrical system needs to be updated to deliver higher voltages and currents, or because they live in multi-family housing and currently the owners of these properties are slow at installing charging ports for residents. I drive a V8 GT car because I like the experience of the gas engine. I will most likely switch to the electric car as soon as the infrastructure is available to charge conveniently, the models improve in range and the plethora of software bugs are cured.
After 35 years of turning wrenches, I agree. But, there's a flip side. Lost jobs, lower incomes, and fewer auto related businesses. Change isn't the issue. How we change is. All action/change has consequences, some good, some bad. How/when will the consequences manifest themselves. Now, or 20 years from now. Think about it!
If you are a renter in USA, you probably don't have access to charging. Apt complexes sometimes have a few charging stations, always a wait. The lack of charging stations will be the big hurdle here. The other issue, is the EVs are so much more expensive here, and the people that can really afford to switch to EV are no longer eligible for tax credits, exp in expensive states like CA.
Some good news. The cost of an EV continues to drop and is now at near parity with a comparable ICE vehicle thanks to a drastic drop in battery costs. You do have access to charging in most urban areas these days. Charge stations are more expensive than charging at a home you own, true. But we will see more and more charging stations added in the near future. I drive a Tesla. I live in suburban Atlanta. There are 2 Tesla supercharger sites within five miles of my house, five within 10 miles, and over a dozen within 30 miles, with one more under construction, four more sites awaiting permit approval. The closest supercharger to my house is ~ 3 miles. I don't use it because I do it at home.
The cost to charge at a Tesla supercharger is ~24¢ a KwH. If your own a Model Y with an 80 Kw battery, it costs you ~$19.20 to completely charge from 0 to 100%. Costs me ~ 1/4 of that to do at home. You will see apartment/condo complexes add chargers as the disruption continues. The Inflation Reduction Act passed during the Biden administration sets asides funds to accomplish that. You can hook up an EV to a 110v outlet at your apartment and it will indeed charge an EV, but at a much slower rate than you probably require.
Many renters rent single family homes. Some apartments have their meters located near parking lots and there are now charging devices which can placed at the meters.
Where there are problems there will be solutions. When we look for solutions we will find them. When we only look for impasses that's all we will see.
EV's, especially used ones, are at similar price points to ICE vehicles.
LOL !!! Only because the percentage of ev's compared with normal cars is minuscule
LOL!!! imbicile - the reliability rates are calculated per 100,000 vehicles on the road.
Why I drive a Diesel car: I can go 1250 km on a single tank, and the car costed me 19 500 euro, 10 years ago. Oh yeah, and maintenance cost is average, 500 euro for regular yearly maintenance, with double oil change per year. I only had a significant, costly issue with the electric system. Had to replace battery, alternator, belt, etc, for 1500 euro 😢
Engine is 2.0 Diesel, very reliable, and car brand and model is the old and reliable Opel Astra (not these new freak Opel generation). 280 000 km and still going. Insane engineering, Opel motors do not change a lot, it is like Toyota motors, they stick with what works and is reliable.
EVs are more reliable but they have more problems on other end e.g. slow charging, battery degradation in extreme conditions, what happens when there is failure in power-plant and there is no electricity to charge batteries etc. They brake a lot less but they have other fundamental problems that limits their practicality when some problem appears (not to mention pollution that battery production generates). Can you imagine people in Ukraine running from bombs in EV when they have electricity only for 2 hours per day? While this is extreme case , it proves the point. I like the most the hybrid approach since it has the best of both worlds e.g. Nissan has hybrids that uses petrol engine to charge battery and electric motors to drive the vehicle (I guess that the others have similar technology). This limits stress on petrol engine so it becomes more reliable, fuel consumption is much more predictable and it omits all the worries about some edge case that might limit someones mobility.
„I.D. 2 will shake up the industry“ … let’s see about that. The interior design is already outdated, and VW has lied about their prices more than once before.
I used to have a Golf TDI. Retired the car with 100k miles. In 10 year ownership I never calculated the service and maintenance cost. It was just a normal thing to pay for but the cost was significant. The engine had 2 major surgeries plus other ICE specific wear and tear issues. I now own an EV for the 3rd year and so far I paid nothing for service and maintenance. My plan is to keep the EV for 8-10 years and so far it works fine.
And yet, i see a lot of complaining about issues with their ev. Some minor, like software connection issues or not being able to login into your profile . But also some major issues, like not being able to charge, smelling smoke or powertrain issues. And with the current winter weather there are also a lot related issues with that. For ICE there are very few issues where you cannot drive anymore and need your car towed. This makes me seriously question whether an ev will be a real hassle free car to switch to.
I can understand the reliability factor, there are less moving parts. ICE fans will mention that batteries are subject to failure and can cost up to £20k to replace, which isn’t necessarily the case. ICE’s can cost as much if not more to replace.
Living in the UK I would say the main thing that is holding back EV take up here is the lack of home charging chances. Electric here is expensive and some charging points owned by the oil companies can cost up to 86p per kw. To fuel an HEV you are looking at an equivalent of approximately 21p per kw. Basically if you don’t have access to home charging in the UK then it isn’t financially viable to own an EV.
I’m a fan of EV’s, but as I can’t charge from home at 7p per kw, it’s probably best for me to stick with my Toyota hybrid. If public charging ever becomes more affordable then it’ll most definitely be a consideration for me to switch to an EV.
Less or More Moving parts has nothing to due with reliability. Quality Control is EVERYTHING. There is a good reason Rivian and even Tesla is on the Bottom of the Reliability Rating Chart on multiple publications.
I want an id2. Have a model y too
Oh then im glad i've never owned a ICE car from VW as my id.4 ev has been the worst car i've ever owned. Been to the mecanic 6 times and im about to book the 7 appointment 👍 VW Das Auto 😅
Of course VW say that.
Looking at their resale value and insurance costs, they are a lot more expensive. That's one of the many reasons I am not buying an EV. I watch your channel, waiting for that major technology change in EVs. I might wait another five years to see where we are with EVs, but I wouldn't buy one today.
This is pure propaganda! You have idiots commenting here, who still think that the electricity to charge their cars comes from "that building over there!" ROFL What a hoot! The battery fires alone are reason enough for me NOT to buy an EV and have a ticking time bomb sitting in my garage that could destroy everything I own and maybe even my life in a fire the firefighters cannot put out. I often take a trip that is 1,450 miles one way. I drive 725 miles per day and make it in 2 days easily, driving 11-12 hours a day, with just a few 10-minute stops to get gasoline and go to the restroom. Making that same trip in an EV would be a logistical nightmare. Features?? I have "features" on my present gasoline powered car I never use, like seat heaters, cruise control (I never use it, not even on long trips). Navigator systems?? I have a friend who uses his in-car navigator for even short trips around town. He gets misled and lost frequently. Me? I drive straight to where I want to go with no problem reviewing my trip on Google earth before leaving home. EVs are the biggest boondoggle ever perpetrated on the consuming public!
And you refuse to get into the depreciation aspect of EV’s and how they fall behind in the technology space… they are out of date so quickly, with technology advancing rapidly, and battery tech being superseded, no wonder EV’s aren’t sustainable.!!
I bought a used Hyundai Kona EV three years old with 20000 miles on it. It had A full factory warranty for 100000 miles. A life of the car battery replacement warranty.The energy it cost to operate is a third as much as gasoline or less. Thats not including maintenance of the ice car. Dam! where is the risk.
Good for you.
And VW never tell lies 😇 apart from diesel gate 😂😂
3x insurance premiums for ev. why? eats up all fuel savings...
The insurance on my 2023 Tesla is cheaper than my 2019 Audi A4. I save $4000 a year on fuel and $5000 a year on tax and $1500 a year on services.
My son bought a used EV and couldn't be happier. We live in the SF Bay Area and my son has compared costs factoring in the Bay Area's way over priced electricity and gasoline. Costs savings are robust and very real at US$200+ per month. The hassle factor, i.e., gassing up weekly, or more often, is completely eliminated by home charging overnight. That did cost an additional US$1K for the home charger and installation. So people in the lower economic brackets may find the transition EVs not doable.
If someone made two statements, and the second one is BS, I won't consider the first one seriously either.
The EV automakers (except Tesla) have learned from their ICE counterparts, they now demand regular services- in order for the warranty to be valid
EVs will become like smartphones. Very reliable until your screen breaks, which costs more than a new phone. I don't think we will have major service intervals on EVs. Just keep it 5 years until it's exhausted then buy a new one. This is why EVs must be cheap and recyclable. They're not meant to be kept around for decades.
To be fair, ANYTHING is more reliable than a Volkswagen.
When do we finally getting to see the VW id.2?
That might change the tide for them. Might.
I think an EV is not a giant computer on wheels, rather a regular computer able to host humans.
Hahaha that's why there's a class suit being launched in the U.S. against Audi and its E-tron, because it's "too reliable" you know...people are tired of not spending money on maintenance with their E-trons and, before any parts are replaced, it bursts into flames! 😂😂 And there there's Porsche recalling 1000s of Taycans and telling people in the UK "don't park it near building nor charge it unattended"! They don't even know how to fix it. In the meantime, they will limit charging to 80%, because EVs are too reliable, you know? 😂😂
Only a proof that some brands can't adapt to major changes on their industry. It is reliable when it's correctly made, as any new car should be. When you see this kind of recalls, it is basically engineering mistakes due to the novelty. Almost all brands know how to create very high quality thermal cars because they did that for decades, but a few of them are struggling to make at least one decent electric car because they don't have enough experience on the subject.
In Europa the dealers won't even buy a used EV back if you want to change your car . A new EV is 33 % more expensive than a gas powered car . I like to get a Skoda Elroq , but Monthly payments are twice so high!! That's the problem!!! And electric bill is high in Europe!
The only thing reliable is the depreciation
People buy V8’s because they can have a relationship with the ICE… there’s little (if any) excitement about ownership of an EV
rip ice
I used to own a 4 year old BMW sedan. It was in the shop regularly for all kinds of service work. Each visit costs more than $1,000.
I sold it after a couple of years of ownership. The reliability was just not good enough.
What is “better “ about EV? Price? Nope. Range? Nope. Insurance? Nope. Sound? Nope. Tech? Nope. Hvac? Nope. ICE for the win
"By the end of the decade" kind of sums up the lack of reality the VW boardroom lives in. Yeah I agree , it'll be " remember VW!
I guess you haven't considered that a lot of people would have no way of charging at home. Which might be the problem when being told to do something by people with large driveways and plenty of room. I'd buy an EV if I could charge at home. Paying 75 pence per kwh on public chargers is not a cost effective solution.
You most likely will have to wait for roadside charging at your place of residence then, cause 75 p/kwh is i think the worst out there.
Who cares. Nobody pumps gas at home.
@Beck-b9g Probably people who would rather pay 7p per kwh rather than 10 times as much at a public charger. And at home there is no waiting, it's just charging while you are sleeping.
Just waiting for the troll comments that it’s a paid for pro-EV video and EV sales are collapsing 😂
he gets paid for the pro-China videos
@ You are correct. I misread his comment. Thanks.
Yes, EV sales in Thailand have been declining in 2024.
@ EV sales in Thailand increased by over 10% in 2024. Very strong growth.
@@undisclosedthai hahahahahahahahahahhaaha
I hope the ID2 is a game changer. I would buy one in the US if it has NACS but they really need better software - like Rivian’s.
No European Manufacturer makes a reliable ICE vehicle
Renault EVs are pretty good
aha! 😂😂😂
Yeah I could quite believe VW BEV's being more reliable than VW ICE's. Let's be honest it wouldn't be difficult.
ICE have 6000 parts that need to work precisely for the car to run. EV have 3: motor, battery and power electronics.
So in 4:07 you claim that benefit of EV over ICE car is that you dont have to fill gas tank every week.
I find if very dishonest that you did not mention that instead of 15minutes once per week at service station you have to charge your car two three times a week for total time of what? 18hours?
Sam, The single most important feature to Vehicle Reliability is the ownership demographics. Wealthier buyers are going to spend on maintenance and brush off repairs while they park them in a heated garage, poorer buyers park their cars on the street with the snow and salt, often neglect maintenance "what's that dash light all about?", and drive them harder and stop more abruptly. Most EVs are owned by wealthier buyers and so EVs will seem more reliable. EVs have not hit the abusive owner end of the market yet. That will reveal the true picture.
I would love an EV, but NO WAY can I afford ANY new car, so an old 4Cyl POS will be my next car after I spend then next three years saving up the $4k I need for one.
I wish there were old EVs out there I could afford, but that is twenty years minimum away!
@@shreeshsaurya4203 Sadly not enough for my
"I don't have to fill up my car in the gas station every week", typical remark from someone who thinks everyone can recharge its EV at home! It's getting annoying to hear the same litany!
How about that EV resale? Oh ya, it sucks. Big time.
EVs haven’t really been around long enough yet to determine whether they’re reliable or long lasting or not. I bought a new VW Golf TDI in 2006 and it has been incredibly reliable. It’s our everyday car and we still do very long road trips with it. Similar story with my 1995 Daihatsu Charade. I think it’s unlikely any of these Chinese EVs will be around for as long as my Golf (19 years) and Daihatsu (30 years) have been.
so why didn't they invest in EVs 20 years ago?
Complex they never expected China to take off like it did.Plus bosses won't listen to engineers when they should.VW could have been top and now they are playing catch up
Lithium batteries...
Sam - You've had several episodes about Japanese car makers, but I haven't seen anything about Subaru. Very popular here in the Pacific Northwest part of the USA. How is Subaru doing?