Alfred Stieglitz war ein US-amerikanischer Fotograf. Er war eine der wichtigsten Personen, der er die Fotografie förderte, und sie als Kunstform legitimieren wollte.
I forget who said it, but a writer who had interviewed many people who we'd consider to be geniuses said they all had one thing in common: an ability to keep working on one thing long past the point most people would find it tedious, boring, or frustrating.
That's what Art is about! The person that said that is absolutely right! Whe t comes to some abstract art, the subjects have been worked down to their core.
Eliot Porter told me to keep sweeping and my friend Mark to keep editing. hahah I still do. Cleaning and sweeping until only the every best are shown. That's the kind of photographer Stieglitz wanted to have in his gallery. :) Still sweeping!!!!!
If I ever needed a reason to never go out and take another photo, it would be that I am too busy sitting here watching all of the great content on TH-cam about photography and the great photographers of the past.
Unfortunately, as I write this, we are in full Covit19 swing, and are in lockdown mode. The nursing home where I reside, does not let anyone out, and visits are limited to 15 min only. By this I mean, that I have pretty much exhausted my shooting options.
I have watched this over and over again and each time that I come back to it, for a Fresh Perspective, the inspiration that is triggered is simply Phenomenal.. This is a Great Piece of Work and the cognitive effect can easily make your head spin.. Well Done ! ! Lary
I can’t believe I nearly bypassed this. I love Georgia O’KEEFFE and felt she had been treated badly but this helps to put a new perspective on the situation. He was certainly a brilliant man.
Marvelous video! Stieglitz has a prophetic flash of insight while on holiday and in his portraits of O'Keefe, he practically deifies the artist's hands - positively other worldly - must see!
I saw this documentary on PBS many years ago... with NO commercials. It is highly disappointing that after 13 minutes of the film it has been stopped twice for advertisements.
Geez, here's how to stop the ads (this works for all TH-cam videos)... scroll to just up to the end, let it play out, click the "replay" , voila, watch with no ads!!
Despite the obligatory walk-ons, (far too many,) by the all usual self important windbags, (blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.....) this has been a wonderful and clear exposition of Stieglitz's life and work and an almost unique opportunity for me to have finally got to grips with it insomuch as anyone can ever really to grips with a lifetime's work in just over an hour; not just by seeing so many of his best pictures displayed and somewhat explained but it also lends to them a context and an additional perspective that is certainly, "helpful," if probably not indispensable. I've been as it were tripping over Stieglitz for many years now simply because of his association with Georgia O'Keeffe, but I never previously, "got," what he was about or why she so obviously regarded him so highly and as a kindred spirit. So, he was not overrated after all; not a bit.
@M M Well I suppose that's reasonable if as you say I, "knew the background," I might feel differently about him but I don't and you haven't explained it so three points. 1: There's nothing new in this as long as I can remember being interested in art Alfred Stieglitz has always been regarded as having been a pioneer of photography. 2. Georgia O'Keeffe, who was an important, talented and original artist herself and in her own right rated him highly. 3. Having now looked more closely and with a bit more insight at his photographs, some I which I've always admired I agree with her.
Some good stuff here. I wish the deification had been dialed back a couple of notches, though. Within minutes the hyperbole gets really irksome. Stieglitz didn't "open the eyes of America to the 20th century," and he was no more "intensely human" than the next guy or gal.
After watching the Tate’s documentary on O’Keeffe I looked into backstories of his relationships to his wife, daughter, some of the other significant people in his life….pretty much an ambitious, opportunistic jerk … (love how the narrator editorialized his first wife as “prudish” in the first few minutes of the thing.)
@@Icimaintenant9 it isn’t unusual for highly creative people to be very self absorbed. I am not painting all of them that way. Stieglitz lived at a time where many - most? - men believed their wife should follow him in whatever he chose to do. O’Keefe eventually went her OWN way. I don’t mean to be overly simplistic. Stieglitz and his wife likely had basic compatibility issues so many other couples experience.
@@Icimaintenant9 Yes, why is it so hard to understand that a woman might become 'prudish' towards a man who pays less and less attention to her, yet expects great ador? Or when he marries a woman for money? Or convenience? When I was young, the word was frigid. Now I don't hear remarks like this. This documentary said he had little time or taste for family life. So no surprise his wife lost that loving feeling for him over time.
I don't think there was any "deification" towards him - not sure where you get that. But to each his own (often people hear or perceive differently). I find what he did & what was inspiration. As for his marriage - clearly it got in the way of what he had to do. Though his wife probably did help by being exactly who she was, which inadvertently pushed him into his goals even more.
@@Icimaintenant9your view point describes almost every person in history who did anything worth remembering (even if recorded history doesn't remember them at all).
photography is not art. they who are not artists say photography is an art or they who are making a name or career from photography. An artist instinctively feels alien to photography. A genuine artist will say that Photography is the antithesis of high arts. I will tell you this, there is God given talent to be able to draw. And then every stroke that leaves a mark on a surface becomes unique and significant in its own existence. photography is completely different process, perhaps neurotic but never artistic.
+katarzyna olszewska if you have ever painted a portrait of someone and if its not too bad.. and if it is not one of those random things where strangers will pay a little to get their portrait done on a whim.. rather especially if you know them and if there is something lovely or worth admiring.. then take a photograph with your most refined/matured processes employed.. and gift both of your works to them. You will see a difference in their reaction. They will not just see that you got their eyes right or their hair right, but rather if there is something of life in those eyes and how you were considerate, gave them your time, saw every feature and your skill traced the exact curves which they cant visualize with their eyes closed.. every brush stroke is vital, nothing is random.. It becomes all about the artist, how much they could assimilate of their subject and express poetically.
+katarzyna olszewska in photography the whole assimilation is done by a tool. therefore it's more like reporting or at its creative best quickly deteriorates into neurotic.. something vacuous.
Wow, awesome video!!! I first heard about Stieglitz when reading about Ansel Adams. Adams went to New York, cowboy hat & all, and showed his prints to Stieglitz. Stieglitz looked at the prints, Adams standing there hat in hand, his 1st real critic and a leader in NY. Handed the pictures back to Adams and said simply "Your photographs are welcome here anytime". For Adams, if was like God pronouncing his life worthwhile.
I forget who said it, but a writer who had interviewed many people who we'd consider to be geniuses said they all had one thing in common: an ability to keep working on one thing long past the point most people would find it tedious, boring, or frustrating.
Here's how you stop the ads (on all TH-cam videos)... scroll to the end, let it play out, click on the "replay", voila, watch the whole thing with no ads...
My favorite part is the fact that no one in the great unwashed public forgets Georgia O'Keefe and her art, but now, in 2023, the average person scratches their head and says, "Alfred Who?" And even the thumbnail is of O'Keefe, not Stieglitz.
I miss them all-- thanks for noticing, and supplying a correction for the attribution... the creative circle to which Bellows, Shinn and others belonged- all the students of Robert Henri, and the founding energy behind the Art Students League in NY- were an influence quite alive for the man who'd taught me painting. And from him I'd learned that creative work thrives on good friendships and an exchange of ideas...not on isolation and unhealthy competition. Artists come to maturity in gatherings. Stieglitz was a visionary in the private world of his own work, but he'd also enriched the greater gathering of artists within his times. At best we can manage both, and follow his example.
Don't you wished you could take a Hassleblad or a Horseman back in time? Heck, a Polaroid Land camera! Imagine carrying around an Arri Alexa recording the images of everyday life back in those times. I will say as a photographer and an artist, that photography did put A LOT of mid-century artists and illustrators out of work!
In my photography schooling we had a visual discourse on famous people in photography. Alfred Stieglitz was forefront. We were told this photographer was psychic and that few of us were able to make it creatively without this ability. I do not know if the teacher who knew a family friend. A famous female photographer who knew my destiny.
I am but a fool...a mere nothing.... in the shadow of these great people.....my only hope is that someday....in the future.....someone will come upon my work and wonder.....who I was.
Thanks for posting this bio fantastic he’s such a historic influence on photography if your a photog you should know who and what he is to photography. And this does just that. Now all we need is a Helmut Newton bio?
Canvas artists leveled the same criticisms at photographers then as film photographers criticized digital photographers 10 or 20 years ago ("Using a digital camera and computer is cheating!! It's not 'real' photography!")
the various factions of photographers were pretty rabid about their way being the only way, there was a lot of that going around in many fields back then.
Stiglitz is the typical example of how being first is more important than being best. Little wonder that he became a anachronistic asshole in his latter days since he'd failed to keep up-to-date as happens when one becomes and crusty. We see it now in our sharply divided politics.
A talented narcissist. Wish more was said about his callous mistreatment of women in his life and its effect on their existence, including his permanently institutionalized, for post-partum depression, daughter.
Interesting. Love Georgia. Stieglitz was definitely a great character of the 20th Century. Unfortunately we are condemned to listen to the horrid, uneducated, prejudicial, and nasty, sarcastic attitude of Wanda Corn. She does a great disservice to art, culture, and America by opening up and exposing your horrid personality to the world in what could have been a great documentary about Alfred Stieglitz. She seems to forget that A FEMALE --Georgia O'Keeffe-- loved him. Wanda needs to reevaluate her politics and her views... What a waste and disappointment to have to listen to her carry on. Thank God I never had a class with her. I feel sorry for anyone who has had one or who has to listen to her drone on.
A picture of Georgia O'Keefe & what's under it? "Alfred Stieglitz"! They couldn't have come up with a better symbol for patriarchy if they'd tried. Your negative is dried all right.
I forget who said it, but a writer who had interviewed many people who we'd consider to be geniuses said they all had one thing in common: an ability to keep working on one thing long past the point most people would find it tedious, boring, or frustrating.
That's what Art is about! The person that said that is absolutely right! Whe t comes to some abstract art, the subjects have been worked down to their core.
and they entered the system
Eliot Porter told me to keep sweeping and my friend Mark to keep editing. hahah I still do. Cleaning and sweeping until only the every best are shown. That's the kind of photographer Stieglitz wanted to have in his gallery. :) Still sweeping!!!!!
This is one of those docus I will watch over and over again! Thank you.
If I ever needed a reason to never go out and take another photo, it would be that I am too busy sitting here watching all of the great content on TH-cam about photography and the great photographers of the past.
frogsoda its a way to learn
what an adorable comment :)
One hell of a good point.
That sounds like about half the guys of the MFT FB group: they are so worried they have the perfect gear combination they aren't shooting any....
Unfortunately, as I write this, we are in full Covit19 swing, and are in lockdown mode. The nursing home where I reside, does not let anyone out, and visits are limited to 15 min only. By this I mean, that I have pretty much exhausted my shooting options.
What a marvelous and thoroughly enjoyable documentary.
What an inspirational video. The story of Stieglitz and Georgia is what inspired me to fall in love with photography as a young man 55 years ago.
I have watched this over and over again and each time that I come back to it, for a Fresh Perspective, the inspiration that is triggered is simply Phenomenal.. This is a Great Piece of Work and the cognitive effect can easily make your head spin.. Well Done ! ! Lary
Stieglitz's narrative made me weep ....so much passion!!
If anyones wondering. The Picassos that were on at the 291 in 1911 would've cost $1.1k today.
$60k for all of the works.
(2021)
Wonderful documentary ... so grateful that it is available via TH-cam
I can’t believe I nearly bypassed this. I love Georgia O’KEEFFE and felt she had been treated badly but this helps to put a new perspective on the situation. He was certainly a brilliant man.
Incredible documentation!
Thanks a lot for the publication of this great work!
Marvelous video! Stieglitz has a prophetic flash of insight while on holiday and in his portraits of O'Keefe, he practically deifies the artist's hands - positively other worldly - must see!
I saw this documentary on PBS many years ago... with NO commercials. It is highly disappointing that after 13 minutes of the film it has been stopped twice for advertisements.
Geez, here's how to stop the ads (this works for all TH-cam videos)... scroll to just up to the end, let it play out, click the "replay" , voila, watch with no ads!!
Umm.. THAT’S the deal with TH-cam, how they make money- surely you get that? Otherwise, pay $15.99/month for a premium YT.
Exquisitely researched, compiled, and edited. Thank you. This is something to watch over and over. Learn something new every time.
Absolutely a glowing film...so seldom artist portraits show the wonder...this does. Thank you.
Despite the obligatory walk-ons, (far too many,) by the all usual self important windbags, (blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.....) this has been a wonderful and clear exposition of Stieglitz's life and work and an almost unique opportunity for me to have finally got to grips with it insomuch as anyone can ever really to grips with a lifetime's work in just over an hour; not just by seeing so many of his best pictures displayed and somewhat explained but it also lends to them a context and an additional perspective that is certainly, "helpful," if probably not indispensable.
I've been as it were tripping over Stieglitz for many years now simply because of his association with Georgia O'Keeffe, but I never previously, "got," what he was about or why she so obviously regarded him so highly and as a kindred spirit.
So, he was not overrated after all; not a bit.
@M M
Well I suppose that's reasonable if as you say I, "knew the background," I might feel differently about him but I don't and you haven't explained it so three points.
1: There's nothing new in this as long as I can remember being interested in art Alfred Stieglitz has always been regarded as having been a pioneer of photography.
2. Georgia O'Keeffe, who was an important, talented and original artist herself and in her own right rated him highly.
3. Having now looked more closely and with a bit more insight at his photographs, some I which I've always admired I agree with her.
Ones passion and love leaves little time for anything else.
Excellent document! Georgia O'Keeffe survived by 40 years to Alfred Stieglitz.
A complex character with visions! Thanks for that documentation.
i love all that old footage
The religion of culture and art is the best religion to be a part of.
Some good stuff here. I wish the deification had been dialed back a couple of notches, though. Within minutes the hyperbole gets really irksome. Stieglitz didn't "open the eyes of America to the 20th century," and he was no more "intensely human" than the next guy or gal.
After watching the Tate’s documentary on O’Keeffe I looked into backstories of his relationships to his wife, daughter, some of the other significant people in his life….pretty much an ambitious, opportunistic jerk … (love how the narrator editorialized his first wife as “prudish” in the first few minutes of the thing.)
@@Icimaintenant9 it isn’t unusual for highly creative people to be very self absorbed. I am not painting all of them that way. Stieglitz lived at a time where many - most? - men believed their wife should follow him in whatever he chose to do. O’Keefe eventually went her OWN way. I don’t mean to be overly simplistic. Stieglitz and his wife likely had basic compatibility issues so many other couples experience.
@@Icimaintenant9 Yes, why is it so hard to understand that a woman might become 'prudish' towards a man who pays less and less attention to her, yet expects great ador? Or when he marries a woman for money? Or convenience? When I was young, the word was frigid. Now I don't hear remarks like this. This documentary said he had little time or taste for family life. So no surprise his wife lost that loving feeling for him over time.
I don't think there was any "deification" towards him - not sure where you get that. But to each his own (often people hear or perceive differently). I find what he did & what was inspiration. As for his marriage - clearly it got in the way of what he had to do. Though his wife probably did help by being exactly who she was, which inadvertently pushed him into his goals even more.
@@Icimaintenant9your view point describes almost every person in history who did anything worth remembering (even if recorded history doesn't remember them at all).
An art form from the beginning. A message that cannot be expressed in words but is a strong visual message that hits the soul.
photography is not art. they who are not artists say photography is an art or they who are making a name or career from photography. An artist instinctively feels alien to photography. A genuine artist will say that Photography is the antithesis of high arts. I will tell you this, there is God given talent to be able to draw. And then every stroke that leaves a mark on a surface becomes unique and significant in its own existence. photography is completely different process, perhaps neurotic but never artistic.
+bluesque wow. get over yourself. seriously.
+katarzyna olszewska if you have ever painted a portrait of someone and if its not too bad.. and if it is not one of those random things where strangers will pay a little to get their portrait done on a whim.. rather especially if you know them and if there is something lovely or worth admiring.. then take a photograph with your most refined/matured processes employed.. and gift both of your works to them. You will see a difference in their reaction. They will not just see that you got their eyes right or their hair right, but rather if there is something of life in those eyes and how you were considerate, gave them your time, saw every feature and your skill traced the exact curves which they cant visualize with their eyes closed.. every brush stroke is vital, nothing is random.. It becomes all about the artist, how much they could assimilate of their subject and express poetically.
+katarzyna olszewska in photography the whole assimilation is done by a tool. therefore it's more like reporting or at its creative best quickly deteriorates into neurotic.. something vacuous.
+Katie Ferrell think about it.
Wow, awesome video!!! I first heard about Stieglitz when reading about Ansel Adams. Adams went to New York, cowboy hat & all, and showed his prints to Stieglitz. Stieglitz looked at the prints, Adams standing there hat in hand, his 1st real critic and a leader in NY. Handed the pictures back to Adams and said simply "Your photographs are welcome here anytime". For Adams, if was like God pronouncing his life worthwhile.
My understanding is that Stieglitz reject Ansel Adams photographs when O'Keeffe presented to him
What an amazing documentary!
Thank You
Looks great! Extra things that you built work out well. Look forward to the next makeover. Nice photography work. 👍.
I saw this video a while back. Thanks for sending it. It's great. :)
Fascinating documentary. Thank you.
Fabulous documentary, thank you!
Outstanding! I appreciate my photography professor @elfotovoyeur @RMTF for suggesting it!
Wonderfull scenes with Georgia OKeeffe
Amazing documentary, really enjoyed it , thanks :)
Wonderful documentary. Thank you very much for sharing!
Men garnering success (and making art) at the expense of women. A tale as old as time.
soooo gooooddddd
please post more
Ya girl Georgia O'keefe is a straight up SAVAGE comin in w/ a roast at 19:22
honestly killed me when i hear her say that XD
Obsession, passion or call it another name is a dream.
I forget who said it, but a writer who had interviewed many people who we'd consider to be geniuses said they all had one thing in common: an ability to keep working on one thing long past the point most people would find it tedious, boring, or frustrating.
Keep sweeping, editing, show only the best!@@TheStockwell
Would love to see the whole video but the constant interruptions for ads are worse than tv. No thank you.
it's well worth it
Here's how you stop the ads (on all TH-cam videos)... scroll to the end, let it play out, click on the "replay", voila, watch the whole thing with no ads...
My favorite part is the fact that no one in the great unwashed public forgets Georgia O'Keefe and her art, but now, in 2023, the average person scratches their head and says, "Alfred Who?" And even the thumbnail is of O'Keefe, not Stieglitz.
Her revenge.
Unfortunately there is an error. Painting "Men of the Docks"(pictured on about 11th minuite), belongs to George Bellows, not to Everett Shinn.
I miss them all-- thanks for noticing, and supplying a correction for the attribution... the creative circle to which Bellows, Shinn and others belonged- all the students of Robert Henri, and the founding energy behind the Art Students League in NY- were an influence quite alive for the man who'd taught me painting. And from him I'd learned that creative work thrives on good friendships and an exchange of ideas...not on isolation and unhealthy competition. Artists come to maturity in gatherings. Stieglitz was a visionary in the private world of his own work, but he'd also enriched the greater gathering of artists within his times. At best we can manage both, and follow his example.
Don't you wished you could take a Hassleblad or a Horseman back in time? Heck, a Polaroid Land camera! Imagine carrying around an Arri Alexa recording the images of everyday life back in those times. I will say as a photographer and an artist, that photography did put A LOT of mid-century artists and illustrators out of work!
And recently cell phone cameras have put many professional photographers out of business.
There is no way that you could known that I am a big admirer of Georgia O'Keefe. How did you do that. I needed to see that picture. Thanks
Excellent program
A truly brilliant video bio-essay...thank you for posting...
Brilliant
He had a good Tailor.
Probably the same one as his Father.
Excellent video, I learned so much..thank you
Extraordinary documentary!
Thank you for sharing!
Extraordinaire.. J'adore...
In which country is this?
Teally you have to put adds?
In my photography schooling we had a visual discourse on famous people in photography. Alfred Stieglitz was forefront. We were told this photographer was psychic and that few of us were able to make it creatively without this ability. I do not know if the teacher who knew a family friend. A famous female photographer who knew my destiny.
An excellent documentary.
Some enlightening glimpse of Trans-Atlantic history of Photography & art at the beginning of last century!
Why the seperation between head hands arms. And torso of georgeia o Keefe ?
Influence of modern painting of the time - Picasso etc and forward
Any relation to Hugo Stiglitz?
I wonder the same.
great video ... pity it's in low 480 resolution and very little tone depth!
How to stuff up a wonderfull documentary; insert 11 add breaks! Shame on you!
Thank you for posting this video.it is absolutely amazing.
Always skip the first three minutes of any American clip if you have a blood pressure.
How much money do you think a copy of that would cost
I am but a fool...a mere nothing.... in the shadow of these great people.....my only hope is that someday....in the future.....someone will come upon my work and wonder.....who I was.
Thank for sharing!
thanks for posting this.
I was hoping the Inglorious Basterds guy was real.
Thanks for posting this bio fantastic he’s such a historic influence on photography if your a photog you should know who and what he is to photography. And this does just that. Now all we need is
a Helmut Newton bio?
Kinda the modern world. When it was daring to be hopeful and optimistic.
Magnifique vraiment ... c'est à partager !!
The painters of the day were threatened by photography the same way film photographers were or are threatened by digital. Some things never change.
Canvas artists leveled the same criticisms at photographers then as film photographers criticized digital photographers 10 or 20 years ago ("Using a digital camera and computer is cheating!! It's not 'real' photography!")
If it's good---I can see it.
the various factions of photographers were pretty rabid about their way being the only way, there was a lot of that going around in many fields back then.
Absolutely wonderful.
We all live in America...
THE AGE OF OVERGROWN MUSTACHES, UNDERGROWN WIT !
Intéressant, Merci Nizar pour le lien ;)
Thank you very much!
Inspiring. Thanks for posting.
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Truly transcendent....
thanks for sharing
What years those must have been.
I wish You could do documentary about cubism and photography
AMAZING !
Well. I liked it.
Thank you for this.
great,thanks.
Very very interesting…
감사합니다
5 coupures de pub pour un doc de 1h30, ça devient compliqué yt ...
Excellent
Is it me or is Stieglitz kind of a looker? 👀
Stiglitz is the typical example of how being first is more important than being best. Little wonder that he became a anachronistic asshole in his latter days since he'd failed to keep up-to-date as happens when one becomes and crusty. We see it now in our sharply divided politics.
Insane.
A 1/2 hour commercial. Obviously the product is not very good or they wouldn’t need to be interrupting a goo documentary with expensive digital trash
Some of Stieglitz' portraits are great while others are really crappy snapshots...
YEAH!! What was PBS thinking?! Gilbert Gottfried would've been SO MUCH BETTER!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
20:08 that glass window
A talented narcissist. Wish more was said about his callous mistreatment of women in his life and its effect on their existence, including his permanently institutionalized, for post-partum depression, daughter.
Is that family of me
wow
Interesting. Love Georgia. Stieglitz was definitely a great character of the 20th Century. Unfortunately we are condemned to listen to the horrid, uneducated, prejudicial, and nasty, sarcastic attitude of Wanda Corn. She does a great disservice to art, culture, and America by opening up and exposing your horrid personality to the world in what could have been a great documentary about Alfred Stieglitz. She seems to forget that A FEMALE --Georgia O'Keeffe-- loved him. Wanda needs to reevaluate her politics and her views... What a waste and disappointment to have to listen to her carry on. Thank God I never had a class with her. I feel sorry for anyone who has had one or who has to listen to her drone on.
canturgan ,i hope you are being funny.
A picture of Georgia O'Keefe & what's under it? "Alfred Stieglitz"!
They couldn't have come up with a better symbol for patriarchy if they'd tried.
Your negative is dried all right.