What revelation, that we posted 48 hours to confuse them. How stupid can all of you be. I don't think we looked convincing in that game. Very very lucky
😂😂😂😂😂there you are again always making sure you are here to bash everything said about the Boks.. it's going to be a long 4years for your.. HEAL, here's a napkin for you😅😅@@user-qe1tv1bu2f
@@maryjooste6161 Let's wait till the rugby championship against the ABs coming up, and see then if they have an identity crisis. From the stats I see boks way behind Mary. Even in super 14 we got nailed.
Gedurende Januarie 2024 het ek 'n afspraak met 'n Franse uroloog (ons woon in Frankryk). Toe hy hoor ek kom van SA vra hy my of ek gholf speel, want hy het so 'n groot bewondering vir Gary Player. Wel, ek speel nie gholf nie, maar in plaas daarvan om "nee ek speel nie gholf" te sê, antwoord ek: "ek speel graag rugby". Sy reaksie was klassiek: "Praat nie verder sport nie". Ek weet toe ek het aan 'n oop senuweetjie geraak.
@@Rustie_za Jy moes vir hom gesê het dat dit aan mediese tegnologie (steroids) is.... Die Springbokke speel ook nie rugby nie, met behulp van steroids verhoed hulle net ander spanne om te speel
Not taking anything away from Rassie’s vision and the many hours of hardwork put in by the coaching staff and Bok players, but it seems like an awful amount of meticulous planning went on behind the scenes and yet the Bok’s edged one point win in the quarters, semis and the final. It’s fair to say that competitiveness among the teams at this stage were on par. Any one of them could’ve won the RWC. In my opinion, the input output ratio seems lopsided. It’s like the Bok’s put in an immense amount of work to be on par with the major contenders. Going forward the Bok’s need to put in some sound victories against the top performing nations, otherwise we will retain the image of a smash and grab thief that stole the Webb Ellis from “more deserving” rugby teams.
What I do not understand is that people say that the other teams were "more deserving". Yes we did not play the best Rugby but we came out on top, why? ' Hulle weetie wat ons weetie!' 😂. I must say, Iittle to none sympathy for the french as they were over confident from get go, but if the All Black kept their composure, and not miss all their kicks the cup would have been theirs, they played well enough to win it, but even in other sporting codes pressure and composure can make or break a team.
To be fair they have irish coaching staff which was documented in the documentary. But I think the saffas hate acknowledging it 😂 which is understandable too.
For goodness sake. Rassie can claim that they flew to the moon and back, and still made it in time for the game and South Africans will believe that he is in a genius. I highly doubt that the French and all those behind the scenes cared about what the Springboks were doing, and I highly doubt that releasing the team 48 hrs before kick off gave them any type of edge. The fact is, South Africa barely scraped by France, were dominated for large portions of the game, and simpy put, they were lucky to win. The same goes with their semi against England, and in the final against New Zealand. If Rassie is the genius coach that everyone claims. Then by that standard, South Africa should beat Ireland in June, by at least 20+ points in both games, while getting a red card and playing with 14 on the field.
He is a genius because he's more than a coach to us south africans he's hope in a devided country. You have to be a south african to comprehend what I'm saying
😂😂😂....Rassie will be sure to take note of this and try to achieve them, wow 20+ points diff and win with 14 men on the field? That is quite a lot for the hopeless Boks and their average coach to handle but they'll try. In the mean time why don't you take a chill pill and drink a cup of sorrow from the Webb Ellis Cup they retained, which is a minor achievement compared to the paramount task you're asking them to do. It's with them until 2027 so you can go back for a pint anytime you like 😂😂😂
Springboks beat France in RWC 2023 QF by chance, as it could of just as easier gone the other way being such a close 50/50 game. In order for the Springboks to of "beaten" France would mean having clear control of the game for the majority of the time with at least an unchallenged 10point difference. Springboks won as things went our way for once, in the QF, SF and final. The Springboks won RWC 2019. God gifted the Springboks the RWC 2023.
Sure bud... winning 3 games in a row with a 1 poi t differential is just luck and has nothing to do with us being the best defensive team in the world and a skilled side. Sure...
@@RabbitWhiteThe I think you've responded to the wrong post, bud. If not, bud, you've replied before thinking, bud. So bud, read the title of the video, read what I've said, then try again. 👍
Ian Foster was a picture of peak fitness and health in 2023 wasn't he compared to Rassie - And which international rugby team do you exactly play for or coach mr ?
one point in it... pretty sure they had some idea. Only Bok supporters can find genius, domination and greatness in one point victories. You must have statues of the All Blacks in SAF after that time they put 57-0 on ya.
The Boks won because France played a 19 year old wing in a qtr final - all the Boks had to do was kick on him and he fell apart - 3 tries later and Boks was in it. No secret to the win - France was idiots because they had tons of experienced wings to choose from and chose a child to do a man's job - no genius required
Rassie, je déteste ce mec, il est tellement arrogant et se prend pour un genie alors qu il a développé un jeu de rugby tellement rugueux, qui tue le jeu que c’est a vomir. Quand on gagne une coupe du monde avec 1 seul point d’écart dans tous ces trois derniers matchs, on la ramène un peu moins. Juste respect pour la férocité de ses joueurs
No I don’t believe this It probably happened but didn’t have much to do with the bokke win by one point That game was down to our grit and helter skelter rugby You consider chezlins knock down of that conversion kick. This didn’t have much to do with behind the scenes fooling the French team. Sorry mate You’re not right
Dont get confused with intelligent.The reason you can't read him because he is innovating the game.He know the rules the do 's and the dont.Any rugby team could have made a 7-1 split but no couch wanted to take the risk.He is the first couch to do so.He is busy thinking outside of the box.
@@GertMalan-il1fe I think that's what peet meant anyway. It's rather funny how all of you think rassies a genius and blow candy coloured smoke up his an-s. Reality check,,,, all the other coaches must be just as fantastic if not better because Ireland beat us, and we scraped through by the skin of our teeth unconvincingly in the last three games. This chasing the sun craze is stupid, sounds the same as any chit chat in a rugby pre meet for high schoolers. I'm not confused, I'm very intelligent and innovation means triumphing emphatically and with utter domination not by one point last seconds lucky to win by one point 3 x in a row plus British Irish lions with steyns kick etc. And don't talk kakapoopoo about the 7-1 split being genius either, the Irish fckd us up with that crap and after beating ABs at Twickenham b4 WC and only just last gasp lucky the whistle blew scrape through, I don't c the geniuses at all.
Congratulations on winning again in 2023 But now - all the secrets are shared to the world … All the other teams will now wise to the SA genius; bag of tricks … So they won’t work anymore How the heck you gonna win the next one? 😅😅 😂😂
Read the inscription on the trophy. You choose to make your own luck, whether it be good luck or bad. Fortunately we chose the former, whilst our opponents chase the latter. Simple as that!
If I follow the reasoning behind videos like these, Rassie's genius saved the Boks from an absolute hiding at the hands of France. SA won by one point. The game could have gone either way depending on the ref's interpretation of the 50/50 calls that mostly went SA's way. Your reasoning implies that but for Rassie's pre-game strategems SA would have lost by 20 points. I don't think Galthie and his crew really cared about what Rassie was up to or who would start at 13 or if a flanker was going to play at 2. The reasons given here as an explanation for the win are speculative at best, and I don't believe the decisions made by Rassie leading up to the fortunate win were as calculated and premeditated as Jordan would have you believe. For the love of the game, please get out of the "Rassie is genius" echo chamber bubble and talk more about the players and the incredible rugby they played.
I don't think you understand the "stronger Together" Phrase of the Springboks. The Mighty Springbok Team does not only exist because of the coach, it's a team effort. Go watch Chasing the sun. Number one first, then chapter 2...
@@SoundPnemonic Come on, every team has that same phrase in some form or other. I am sure Chasing the Sun is great propaganda for both Rassie and the Boks. I think the Boks are an incredible rugby team, and South Africa has some of the most talented rugby players in the world. The purpose of my comment is to question whether Rassie's pre-game behaviors really did confuse the French, and whether that confusion led to the SA victory. If so, Jordan's argument seems to undermine the SA performance, suggesting that without Rassie and all his trickery leading to massive french confusion, the SA team would have had an even greater loss than they did to Ireland. I do not think that is the case. Given that it was a one-point game that could have gone either way, I invite people to look at other factors that could also explain the victory that have nothing to do with what Jordan is saying is directly the cause of the victory.
The way we go on about the French win is ridiculous, we scraped through. There's nothing outstanding about the way we won. we got lucky, X3 times by one point. If Ireland fck us up we can't claim to best, and all rassies bs about prepping for next world cup with players is crap.win the rugby championship , beat Ireland and year end tour with a margin not pigeon droppings and then wag your tongues.
@@SoundPnemonic so u think a movie documentary is reality on the field of play. Laughing 🤣🤣 out real loud. Groendakkies is a recommendation in reality for u. If our defense is so fantastic, how did the French score so powerfully and easily within 3 minutes . The only sunshine in that game was dropping libbok for pollard
“ there’s nothing outstanding about the way we won !” Winning a close game against a very good French side in France 🇫🇷 a huge stepping stone to winning the RWC 2023 what nonsense are you talking about ? 😂
@@user-qe1tv1bu2f they scored in 3 minutes because they are/were a phenomenal team and it required a phenomenal effort to beat them. is it not OBVIOUS!
Bok team and staff are a nasty bunch and they deserve their fans. The ONLY fights I saw at the RWC ALWAYS had safas in it. Here again they are winners and whiners.
The only time Rassie Erasmus was wrong was when he thought he made a mistake.
Haha good one bra
Rassie is like Chuck norris
@@deepsport5559 Rassie is Chuck Norris' Coach
And that's when he got Pollard out on the field as fast as he could...
Yeah, the French (and everyone else, for that matter) should realize they are up against a doped-up bunch.... full of steroids (and masking agent)
Rassie thought about his own Dupont rule before World Rugby did.
Yeah, the French (and everyone else, for that matter) should realize they are up against a doped-up bunch.... full of steroids (and masking agent)
Starting Libbok and Reinach was an underrated move🔥🔥🔥
I think they knew they had to considering how the french started all their games fast paced.
Well I don’t think it was . It was part of the plan
They are just geniuses , Thank you for a video
Who
Yeah, the French (and everyone else, for that matter) should realize they are up against a doped-up bunch.... full of steroids (and masking agent)
What a delightful commentary - thank you for "taking us back", so to speak 🙂
thanks for the updates and videos appreciate mybru🏉🙌🐐
The French are still crying about losing that game. After this "revelation" they are probably going to have a national melt-down.
What revelation, that we posted 48 hours to confuse them. How stupid can all of you be. I don't think we looked convincing in that game. Very very lucky
AB's and France suffer really a identity crisis
Rassie and Jacques the other coaching staff really they need medals gold
😂😂😂😂😂there you are again always making sure you are here to bash everything said about the Boks.. it's going to be a long 4years for your.. HEAL, here's a napkin for you😅😅@@user-qe1tv1bu2f
@@maryjooste6161
Let's wait till the rugby championship against the ABs coming up, and see then if they have an identity crisis. From the stats I see boks way behind Mary. Even in super 14 we got nailed.
I’m a big fan of Rassie Erasmus his winning formula should be taught in ever sport locally
What a game it was!❤
Who needs McDonalds when the Boks served us such well cooked French Fries?
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@Sihlebam3863 haybo wena😂😂😂I yhooo u definitely umXhosa😂😂
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@@nikitayeko7691 ofcourse mtase
Gedurende Januarie 2024 het ek 'n afspraak met 'n Franse uroloog (ons woon in Frankryk). Toe hy hoor ek kom van SA vra hy my of ek gholf speel, want hy het so 'n groot bewondering vir Gary Player. Wel, ek speel nie gholf nie, maar in plaas daarvan om "nee ek speel nie gholf" te sê, antwoord ek: "ek speel graag rugby". Sy reaksie was klassiek: "Praat nie verder sport nie". Ek weet toe ek het aan 'n oop senuweetjie geraak.
Yeah, the French (and everyone else, for that matter) should realize they are up against a doped-up bunch.... full of steroids (and masking agent)
hahahaha dankie vir die deeltjie
@@Rustie_za Jy moes vir hom gesê het dat dit aan mediese tegnologie (steroids) is.... Die Springbokke speel ook nie rugby nie, met behulp van steroids verhoed hulle net ander spanne om te speel
@@Macedonia270 weak troll attempt, move on mate, nothing to see here
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It was a 1 point victory. Confusion was hardly raining among the French team. Stay grounded.
Touchè
1 point victory against a better team speaks volumes!! just enjoy the rugby mate...
@@greghillyard you too…
1 point win in host nation stadium in quarter final easily translates to a 20 point win...stay grounded
You are wrong.... to you it may be 1 point... to the Bokke it was a 4th World Cup! 4
Yes 4
4 World Cups
Back to back
hop off it mate hope off it
The boks will take you to a very dark place and thats how we achieve these 1 points and they sting a lot
Why are you unplugged?
President Rassie!
Dupont didn't want South Africa to play the European Champions Cup-he didn't want to play the best. Gootju they lost ❤
The best ? You mean teams which reach semi-finals ? OMG no SA team here....
@@moebiusmoebius9041 LOL
4 World Cups?
that game was too close
What genius are they talking about I don't get it 1 point you win by 1 point now you a genius what next
The only reason SA won that game is the ref nothing more
Ag fok just get over it😂
The only reason I wasn't born rich and wealthy is my parents fault for not being billionaires - I have accepted it
Anyone know how to watch chasing the sun In the UK?
That's what I wanna know to. I'm away from home and can't watch it here in the UK 😢
I think France lost the game when that kick to touch went backwards
Not taking anything away from Rassie’s vision and the many hours of hardwork put in by the coaching staff and Bok players, but it seems like an awful amount of meticulous planning went on behind the scenes and yet the Bok’s edged one point win in the quarters, semis and the final.
It’s fair to say that competitiveness among the teams at this stage were on par. Any one of them could’ve won the RWC.
In my opinion, the input output ratio seems lopsided. It’s like the Bok’s put in an immense amount of work to be on par with the major contenders.
Going forward the Bok’s need to put in some sound victories against the top performing nations, otherwise we will retain the image of a smash and grab thief that stole the Webb Ellis from “more deserving” rugby teams.
Good analysis, I think the difference was more than one point it was about a seed that was planted the belief of getting over the line no matter what.
Hahahaha "more deserving",Springboks are the greatest in the world.
They were all fair games just that the Boks wanted it more than those deserving teams, that's why they champions.
Hysterically funny
What I do not understand is that people say that the other teams were "more deserving". Yes we did not play the best Rugby but we came out on top, why? ' Hulle weetie wat ons weetie!' 😂. I must say, Iittle to none sympathy for the french as they were over confident from get go, but if the All Black kept their composure, and not miss all their kicks the cup would have been theirs, they played well enough to win it, but even in other sporting codes pressure and composure can make or break a team.
Rassie Nienaber and the rest of the staff are smart
To be fair they have irish coaching staff which was documented in the documentary. But I think the saffas hate acknowledging it 😂 which is understandable too.
The best BOK that day was Ben O'Keefe.
It was CIA /FBI /Sas move
No news on this so-called revelation.
1 point difference. Touch grass, saffas.
Ironically, grass had to be touched for that point victory to come about. 👀
Yup, that’s all you need to win.
For goodness sake.
Rassie can claim that they flew to the moon and back, and still made it in time for the game and South Africans will believe that he is in a genius. I highly doubt that the French and all those behind the scenes cared about what the Springboks were doing, and I highly doubt that releasing the team 48 hrs before kick off gave them any type of edge.
The fact is, South Africa barely scraped by France, were dominated for large portions of the game, and simpy put, they were lucky to win. The same goes with their semi against England, and in the final against New Zealand.
If Rassie is the genius coach that everyone claims. Then by that standard, South Africa should beat Ireland in June, by at least 20+ points in both games, while getting a red card and playing with 14 on the field.
He is a genius because he's more than a coach to us south africans he's hope in a devided country. You have to be a south african to comprehend what I'm saying
you can highly doubt anything you want, it just shows that you really have no idea of the truth! good luck with being bitter...
😂😂😂....Rassie will be sure to take note of this and try to achieve them, wow 20+ points diff and win with 14 men on the field? That is quite a lot for the hopeless Boks and their average coach to handle but they'll try. In the mean time why don't you take a chill pill and drink a cup of sorrow from the Webb Ellis Cup they retained, which is a minor achievement compared to the paramount task you're asking them to do. It's with them until 2027 so you can go back for a pint anytime you like 😂😂😂
Cope
Heal! HEAL!!! It’s a process my friend.
Springboks beat France in RWC 2023 QF by chance, as it could of just as easier gone the other way being such a close 50/50 game.
In order for the Springboks to of "beaten" France would mean having clear control of the game for the majority of the time with at least an unchallenged 10point difference.
Springboks won as things went our way for once, in the QF, SF and final.
The Springboks won RWC 2019.
God gifted the Springboks the RWC 2023.
Sure bud... winning 3 games in a row with a 1 poi t differential is just luck and has nothing to do with us being the best defensive team in the world and a skilled side. Sure...
@@RabbitWhiteThe I think you've responded to the wrong post, bud. If not, bud, you've replied before thinking, bud. So bud, read the title of the video, read what I've said, then try again. 👍
Jy rook te veel dagga
do a google translate bud
Rassie needs to put the pizza down and get himself a pair of trainers.
And you need to wise up cupcale
Ian Foster was a picture of peak fitness and health in 2023 wasn't he compared to Rassie - And which international rugby team do you exactly play for or coach mr ?
That y they call bom squared...
The minute you can pronounce the word "button" properly, I will consider subscribing ;)
one point in it... pretty sure they had some idea.
Only Bok supporters can find genius, domination and greatness in one point victories.
You must have statues of the All Blacks in SAF after that time they put 57-0 on ya.
Hartseer
@@asalie02 reestrah
Hartseer naai j
Damian Willemse called a scrum against England for 22 catch, not France.
For France due their forwards not running
The Boks won because France played a 19 year old wing in a qtr final - all the Boks had to do was kick on him and he fell apart - 3 tries later and Boks was in it. No secret to the win - France was idiots because they had tons of experienced wings to choose from and chose a child to do a man's job - no genius required
Only won by 1 point haha
Rassie, je déteste ce mec, il est tellement arrogant et se prend pour un genie alors qu il a développé un jeu de rugby tellement rugueux, qui tue le jeu que c’est a vomir. Quand on gagne une coupe du monde avec 1 seul point d’écart dans tous ces trois derniers matchs, on la ramène un peu moins. Juste respect pour la férocité de ses joueurs
They win because of a few lucky bumps and a few refree errors period !!!
Yea, sure for two world cups in a row 😇
That is your opinion and its irrelivant.
@@cella6495 just because you say so? Hardly. Maybe you mean irrelevant?
@@cella6495 just because you say so? Hardly. I take it you mean irrelevant 😇
No
I don’t believe this
It probably happened but didn’t have much to do with the bokke win by one point
That game was down to our grit and helter skelter rugby
You consider chezlins knock down of that conversion kick.
This didn’t have much to do with behind the scenes fooling the French team.
Sorry mate
You’re not right
Must be nice to be SA and have the refs and officials helping you out. Those sneaky little last minute freekicks for no reason.
Your do cute. Hence everyone trying to change the rules because we used it to our advantage.keep crying
Oh really?? Pathetic comment to say the least
@@arnomilne980 It always gets a reaction though
😂
@@MusclesNOTtattoos you must have a sad life to try and get an reaction here though, shame I almost feel sorry for you.
Jealousy reveals your childish personality.Just cannot accept that the Boks won the world cup,
Irritating how you keep butting in. We're not idiots, you don't need to explain every 2 minutes.
I think Rassie confuse himself sometimes nobody can read him
U all blow too much smoke up his ass
Dont get confused with intelligent.The reason you can't read him because he is innovating the game.He know the rules the do 's and the dont.Any rugby team could have made a 7-1 split but no couch wanted to take the risk.He is the first couch to do so.He is busy thinking outside of the box.
@@GertMalan-il1fe
I think that's what peet meant anyway.
It's rather funny how all of you think rassies a genius and blow candy coloured smoke up his an-s. Reality check,,,, all the other coaches must be just as fantastic if not better because Ireland beat us, and we scraped through by the skin of our teeth unconvincingly in the last three games. This chasing the sun craze is stupid, sounds the same as any chit chat in a rugby pre meet for high schoolers. I'm not confused, I'm very intelligent and innovation means triumphing emphatically and with utter domination not by one point last seconds lucky to win by one point 3 x in a row plus British Irish lions with steyns kick etc. And don't talk kakapoopoo about the 7-1 split being genius either, the Irish fckd us up with that crap and after beating ABs at Twickenham b4 WC and only just last gasp lucky the whistle blew scrape through, I don't c the geniuses at all.
Congratulations on winning again in 2023
But now - all the secrets are shared to the world …
All the other teams will now wise to the SA genius; bag of tricks …
So they won’t work anymore
How the heck you gonna win the next one? 😅😅 😂😂
Rassie has another bag of tricks for 2027 - he is way ahead of the other coaches
It’s not that hard. The French confuse themselves. It all went downhill after that hot that Rooster.
So with all that thinking to win only by 01 point, and against 14 men and with all the luck in the world, world champions?
Mmmmm I doubt it.
Read the inscription on the trophy. You choose to make your own luck, whether it be good luck or bad. Fortunately we chose the former, whilst our opponents chase the latter. Simple as that!
@@jkmb5758you said it, luck. And luck is no genius.
That wasnt that special what a floek
You're a bit full of yourself mate.
one eye reefering as 1995... that's all !
no brain commentary since the day you were born... :p
they would have won anyway
If I follow the reasoning behind videos like these, Rassie's genius saved the Boks from an absolute hiding at the hands of France. SA won by one point. The game could have gone either way depending on the ref's interpretation of the 50/50 calls that mostly went SA's way. Your reasoning implies that but for Rassie's pre-game strategems SA would have lost by 20 points. I don't think Galthie and his crew really cared about what Rassie was up to or who would start at 13 or if a flanker was going to play at 2. The reasons given here as an explanation for the win are speculative at best, and I don't believe the decisions made by Rassie leading up to the fortunate win were as calculated and premeditated as Jordan would have you believe. For the love of the game, please get out of the "Rassie is genius" echo chamber bubble and talk more about the players and the incredible rugby they played.
I don't think you understand the "stronger Together" Phrase of the Springboks. The Mighty Springbok Team does not only exist because of the coach, it's a team effort. Go watch Chasing the sun. Number one first, then chapter 2...
@@SoundPnemonic Come on, every team has that same phrase in some form or other. I am sure Chasing the Sun is great propaganda for both Rassie and the Boks. I think the Boks are an incredible rugby team, and South Africa has some of the most talented rugby players in the world. The purpose of my comment is to question whether Rassie's pre-game behaviors really did confuse the French, and whether that confusion led to the SA victory. If so, Jordan's argument seems to undermine the SA performance, suggesting that without Rassie and all his trickery leading to massive french confusion, the SA team would have had an even greater loss than they did to Ireland. I do not think that is the case. Given that it was a one-point game that could have gone either way, I invite people to look at other factors that could also explain the victory that have nothing to do with what Jordan is saying is directly the cause of the victory.
Yeah, the French (and everyone else, for that matter) should realize they are up against a doped-up bunch.... full of steroids (and masking agent)
A massive analists team, and they do not care what the opposition is up to? For real? What are they analysing?
@@lawofficeofdanielstewartpl7669 You clearly have not watched "Chasing the Sun videos" I highly suggest you do and then recomment your opinion
The way we go on about the French win is ridiculous, we scraped through. There's nothing outstanding about the way we won. we got lucky, X3 times by one point. If Ireland fck us up we can't claim to best, and all rassies bs about prepping for next world cup with players is crap.win the rugby championship , beat Ireland and year end tour with a margin not pigeon droppings and then wag your tongues.
Another one... Watch chasing the sun then comment again...
@@SoundPnemonic so u think a movie documentary is reality on the field of play. Laughing 🤣🤣 out real loud. Groendakkies is a recommendation in reality for u.
If our defense is so fantastic, how did the French score so powerfully and easily within 3 minutes . The only sunshine in that game was dropping libbok for pollard
“ there’s nothing outstanding about the way we won !” Winning a close game against a very good French side in France 🇫🇷 a huge stepping stone to winning the RWC 2023 what nonsense are you talking about ? 😂
@@user-qe1tv1bu2f they scored in 3 minutes because they are/were a phenomenal team and it required a phenomenal effort to beat them. is it not OBVIOUS!
'We got lucky' x3, yep, the harder you practice the luckier you get, to quote Gary Player.
Bok team and staff are a nasty bunch and they deserve their fans. The ONLY fights I saw at the RWC ALWAYS had safas in it. Here again they are winners and whiners.
Still hurts hey?
Try to cope harder!