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Took the words right out of my mouth. I truly believe the knight would win. They may not have the acrobatics of a samurai but their plate armor is pretty durable compared to bamboo and in medieval Europe they had less down time compared to the samurai. The samurai just had to walk home after their battle maybe a few miles away from their house. The thing I like about Japan it's like very tiny so there was not a whole lot going on compared to the chaoticness of Europe.
Why? so they can give the Samurai every advantage while they give the Knight the basic equipment? yeah a Samurai in banded armor on a horse with a long bow vs a knight on food with a sword wearing chainmail. real fair fight that one.
"European medieval knight" - the guy on the left is 16th century, the knight himself uses a metal shield (not medieval) and a Bidenhänder from the 16th century, and the guy on the right is from the 16th or 17th century. Soooo...where's the medieval knight?
@@AlexanderBlumenau What is weird is that the armour isn't stereotypical. An ignorant lazy person would just have generic armour. The "fight" is supposed to take place in the 16th century. The odd guy is the actual knight. Although I don't think that they said the shield was metal. A bigger problem is the use of the shield and a great sword together.
@@PeregrinTintenfish The shield in the video is metal, because the "knight" hits his sword against the shield and it creates sparks and a clear "metal on metal" sound. But even if the shield was wood, it would still be unhistorical, shields with that shape were smaller. And while the two guys at the side would fit into the 16th century setting, the guy in the middle does actually have armor that would be medieval, like 14th century, but then he just casually wear the (too large) metal shield and a clearly early modern Zweihander - and as the name says, that's a weapon for two hands anyway and not a knightly weapon in any way. But I do agree, the armor depictions themselves are actually quite well done. Like the creator didn't look at any dates, but certainly did their research when it comes to how "some" armor looks like. Like the armor at the left is just 1:1 what I know from a 16th century museum in my hometown.
My bet is on the knight. And since you've chosen to give the knight a Zwëihander, he might not even need to stab in gaps if he swings that thing hard enough.
@@joshgray8377 That was its main use in battle. But I just love how it can also double down as a bludgeon if you're dedicated enough. Versatility, baby. That's what makes it my favorite "medieval" weapon. Yeaaaaaaaah!
@@joshgray8377 yarp, that and a guardsmen weapon (swing it about the place in a big whirly fashion and you can keep a mob at bay/take up a lot of room)
Sword vs sword: spring steel beats folded steel, longsword/greatsword has better reach than katana/no-daichi. Ranged weapons: musket beats arquebus. Armor: gothic/italian style has more coverage than an o-yoroi. Horseback: lance has better punch and reach than yari/naginata. Horses: a destrier is bigger/stronger than a japanese horse, is armored.
Yeah the part about the horse being too weak to carry a fully armored knight kinda threw me, they bred horses to be strong enough for that task. The term war horse exists for a reason.
@@generalnawaki both the japanese and western knights had warhorses. However, being hit by a 400kg destrier in plate is different from getting hit from a 200-250kg light war horse/pony with no armor.
Context: Geschichtsfenster (english: history window) is a German historian specialising on medieval history. He reacted to this video in a stream und just recently uploaded the stream as video on youtube. He just shows off the history inaccuracies of this 10 minute video. Geschichtsfenster's video is 43 minutes long. So one can guess the amount of inaccuracies he mentions. And those aren't minor details either
@@byter9819 The length of a reaction video is not a good measure of quality of the original. Andrej also complains about everything. It is very theatrical.
@@PeregrinTintenfish yeah i like his normal information video but when it comes to reactions he is a bit to aggressive and takes everthing to seriously like i get it many of the videos hes watching should have done a better job but it is still entertainment so a little bit of freedom for the design should be there for the creators like the dragon in peasent video he watched where he instantly didnt like it
@@PeregrinTintenfish I agree with both of you (including maybenotavampire). I am no expert for history. Having that in mind, I do feel that his complains are still justified. And they can well be ignored, too by others. He has other standards when watching such a video. He watches them on purpose to spot inaccurracies, while others just watch them to be entertained. What he sells as major flaws, is seen as unimportant by others. In the end he also just takes the role of an entertainer in those reaction videos.
Actually Spanish Marines defeated a force of Ronin pirates in Cagayan, Philippines, back in 1582. The tactics and discipline of Less than a hundred Spanish Marines prevailed against hundreds of ronin. The Japanese called the Spanish Marines 'Lizards',and today it is still their nickname, 'lagartos'
They don't and you may want to take a closer look at that. "November 16, 2018 Cagayan Battles of 1582: Debunking the Hoax" "Samurai Pirates Against the Spanish Empire? By Ceithernach, Sep 11, 2020" "¿Tercios vs. samuráis? Mito y realidad sobre los combates de Cagayán"
The matter is about invincible samurais and razor sharp katana cutting through cannon barrels. There was a skirmish between Spanish Marines and armour clad Japanese ronin, and the Spanish prevailed. Not a pitched battle against Tokugawa Ieyasu army, of course,but in hand to hand combat the Spanish prevailed.
@@jorgebea7033it is not that, that's going over actual historical facts and looking at the sources which are not aligned with the common popular story.
@@sharkur At that range against a full-sized arequebus, the plate armor wouldn't have stood up to it, but yeah it was a pity point for sure. More likely than not NEITHER of those weapons would have fired. They didn't like to work, not even on a good day.
Durability: knight Flexibility: Samurai Strength: knight (due to the weight of the sword) Speed: Samurai Stamina: Samurai Weapons: knight Overall: knight I think it's true for anime weebs out there hardened plate steel and more layering is very effective against slashing weapons and that gives the knight a very good protection meanwhile the samurai got the advantage of flexibility which means that the samurai have a little chance to hit the Knight's weak spots and lastly the strength is very good against these situations speed may lack the knight but one fatal blow will end it all
Both are friggin awesome, but the more I learn the actual history of these two warriors, the more I realize the samurai would absolutely stand no chance, if we're putting all the woo around samurai aside, and being intellectually honest. Also, the folding of katana and their ilk weapons, is not some mystical magic steel making technique, but rather a way to make a decent blade with really crummy steel.
This video miss out one HUGE point.The samurai were also expert horse archers, the knight will have hard time just closing in while being shot at with arrows just how the mongol dealt with the knight and WON most of the time.
Nah. Samurai armor was comparable to European plate armor in strength and weight. It's going to come down to the person in the armor and how well they are trained. It is essentially, who gets lucky
@@soulknife20 sorry dude but no, banded mail is no match for PLATEMAIL when its hardened steel and rounded to deflect piercing weapons. Honestly even European weapons were superior. The Katana is probably the most over blown weapon in history, think on this, why did it have to be folded? because sand iron makes for weak steel so they had to layer it so it wouldn't fold after one hit.
you'd think by now channels like this would have learnt their lesson. I mean the knight removing armour coz it was too heavy for the horse? worries about flexibility? the naginata being sharper coz its made of folded steel!?
The samurai at the last match should have chosen a "Kanabou" or "Testsubou" for the fight. This video is for entertainment only so please guys don't take it too seriously.
The knight would win, he is going to be a larger heavier man, better armor and weapons, and if it comes to grappling well he absolutely gonna have the edge
This video felt like it was trying not to offend anyone. In a general sense, a European knight would win in MOST situations. Plus that second "fight" with the arquebus wasn't logical at all, you didn't even go into WHY the samurai would win that, nor how the the age of the weapon used mattered at all... Like what was the point of bringing that up. Felt like it was a throw away to not make the Japanese angry that a samurai would GENERALLY not win these types of fights. I thought this was gonna be a real historic and in depth analysis where it was explained exactly WHY a fight would turn out as it would.
@@eagle162 There absolutely is... Especially if you get to the nitty gritty details like weapon quality, training, experience, technology, will. There are plenty of factors that would decide a fight a majority of the time. For example, medieval knights armor would be difficult for a samurai to deal with because of the poor quality weapons the Japanese had to work with. That means the knight would win a MAJORITY of the time.
@@luckytanuki5449Europeans praise Japanese weapons and weapons (particularly swords) were traded across Asia. Experience, again there is nothing here, Japanese warriors were again praised by Europeans and even hired as mercenaries. Fighting outside Japan. Technology okay this is a huge misconception, hyping up European metal working and mistaking later Edo period swords traditions which focus on swords looking cool then practicality, is not the case with the koto era. Armor, Japanese armor can offer as much protection as a knight or more, both choose how much coverage they wanted,both basically use the same weapons and techniques for armored combat. Neutron diffraction study on full-shape Japanese sword" The Investigation of Establishing Time of Zuku-Oshi and Kera-Oshi with Data of Iron Image of Buddha Making Age and Old Document "Kokon-Kajibiko" Ancient and historic steel in Japan, India and Europe, a non-invasive comparative study using thermal neutron diffraction, F.Grazzi et al, 2011. The Sword and the Crucible: A History of the Metallurgy of European Swords Up to the 16th Century, A. Williams, 2012 Some Aspects of the Metallurgy and Production of European Armor OCTOBER 18, 2016 Archaeometallurgical Investigation on Historical Sword-Making Techniques in Northern Italy Between the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries, G.Tonelli et al, 2022 November 04, 2019 Japanese Swords "Mythbusting" - Part 1 La question du minerai de fer pour la période médiévale (IXe - XVIe siècle) Home-made steel: A week at Manabe Sumihira's zuku-oshi tatara Mineralogical Study of Iron Sand with Different Metallurgical Characteristic to Smelting with Use of Japanese Classic Iron-making Furnace “Tatara” Micromorphology, chemistry, and mineralogy of bog iron ores from Poland SOME THOUGHTS ON UTSURI Posted on 2013/08/22 January 27, 2019 Iron and Steel Technology in Japanese Arms & Armors - Part 3: Bladesmithing
@@eagle162 Just because the Europeans praised the Japanese swords, does not mean they could stand up to traditional armor lol. They are impressive in their own right, but they are brittle and are not ideal for fighting plate armor. Crushing weapons are most effective against plate, not slashing. As for experience, European knights have a longer history of fighting than Japanese samurai, and also adapt more to the situations needed. As for the armor, Japanese Armour was designed more for protection against arrows and spears meaning it is no where near as protective as plate, more mobile sure, but that gets into mobility VS protection debate.
@@luckytanuki5449did you not check out the sources I give none of that is true. Japanese swords are not brittle. Katanas were used against plate armor, you don't slice through it you aim for the weak points, which is the preferred method of both the knight and a samurai not crushing armor. Knights do not have any longer history of fighting and again Samurai fought outside Japan or against other foreign forces. Which included Europeans hiring Japanese warriors against other Europeans. Do you hear yourself, are you saying European armor was not designed to help protect damage from arrows or spears which are common in medieval Europe,spear being such a common weapon for knights. Both Samurai and knights, make a choice between protection or mobility based on their needs or wants. Not every knight or Samurai armor was equal to another knight or Samurai armor.
Knight would win the fight. Only so much finesse would get you so far in that time period. Our Asian friends focus so much on technique(which is valuable to an extent) that they tend to forget what it takes when it comes to a fight. That’s what made Atilla such a badass. Win the fight comes first
I mean... Is not like knight had no technique . Historicaly knight where nobles trained for their entire life to fight. War was entirely their job. They even forced small scale war only to have fun working. Not to mention, the very nature of those war was less brutal, giving those knight more chance to gain experience in war. It was pretty common back then to be. War veteran among nobility. Those noble knight spenders their days thinking and training for war, do you really believe they never created technique? Just go look at all the manual of war you can find.
I remember that episode, they gave the samurai a horse and a long bow and had the knight on foot in chainmail, most one sided fight in the shows history.
While the samurai is cool and all, a European knight has plate armor and swords made from richer iron content and a bit heavier. A samurai may have speed with lighter armor but the katana can't pierce plate armor unless they're aiming for the small gaps. Meanwhile a European broad sword/longsword can cut through Japanese armor with enough force.
The knight. Katanas or other Japanese swords are not made to fight armour but arming swords and long swords are. The fairest match between these two in melee combat is if both parts has a blunt weapon and I am still betting on the knight due to superior armour
I still feel like the samari would do better because they were trained in ways no other army at the time have ever had and they were born a warrior. And would most likely just knock the sword out of the troops hand by how heavy it is and how much the armour would effect grip strength.
Knights were a hereditary military aristocracy, just like the samurai, & trained for a similar amount of time European swords weighed about the same as Japanese swords, with a similar variation, & their armour weighed about the same as a percentage of bodyweight (the Japanese being much smaller, even more so than today). Why would the armour effect grip strength?
Of course the Samurai will lose to a Knight it's not even a contest. Not only would the Samurai lack the weapons to kill the Knight it also would be ineffective against it. Besides the Samurai were mostly locked onto their small island. And to add the Samurai lacked real experience fighting against other forces and warriors outside of their island. Even the Imjin War in the late 1500s proved it. For anyone not familiar with it? Long story short the Samurai lost the war and failed to beat Korea and China as well. Besides everyone knows it the Samurai is just overrated.
@@Josuke8Man Was this before the 1800s? If not than your just delusional person and a TROLL! Japan couldn't beat both Korea and China it's already been proven in the Imjin war late 1500s. Even after China was weak and no longer a Super Power China still held off the Japanese. Japan failed to conqueror and failed to beat China in WW2. After Japan spent 14 years they have epically failed to take over and beat China.
European armor is just too good. It will crush the samurai in a cavalry charge. Or outlast the with their tough armor. Even they're weapons have more stomping power.
Knights would win 7/10. The difference in physical stature, obviously europeans are taller and stronger. Full plate armor compared to japanese armor is superior in metallurgy.
Europeans were not that tall back then, even today the high difference between Japan and the average European is not that different, but regardless of height that's not going to matter much when weapons and armor are involve. Stronger? That depends on the person. No it was not Superior in metallurgy. I can give a few sources about this if you want.
@@eagle162 Medieval Europeans were only slightly shorter on average than modern Europeans (the reduction in height happened during the increased urbanisation in Early Modern/Industrial Revolution). The Japanese were much smaller (more so than today). Average height through time is very easy data to find (TH-cam doesn't like outside links) Larger people tend to be stronger, & that is a huge advantage in physical combat By the time of plate armour, European metallurgy was considerably better, & had been for some time
@@StonesSticksBones they were not, the average height for for most European men are like 5'9 and it's 5'7 for Japan, people aren't even sure about the average height in sengoku era, when people talk about height during the samurai era, people are typically talking about the edo period where people got shorter, that's not accounting for samurai or knights who at least hypothetically would be a bit taller on average. No it wasn't this is a myth concerning metalluary. "Neutron diffraction study on full-shape Japanese sword" "The Investigation of Establishing Time of Zuku-Oshi and Kera-Oshi with Data of Iron Image of Buddha Making Age and Old Document "Kokon-Kajibiko" "Ancient and historic steel in Japan, India and Europe, a non-invasive comparative study using thermal neutron diffraction, F.Grazzi et al, 2011." "The Sword and the Crucible: A History of the Metallurgy of European Swords Up to the 16th Century, A. Williams, 2012" "Some Aspects of the Metallurgy and Production of European Armor OCTOBER 18, 2016" "Archaeometallurgical Investigation on Historical Sword-Making Techniques in Northern Italy Between the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries, G.Tonelli et al, 2022" "November 04, 2019 Japanese Swords "Mythbusting" - Part 1" "La question du minerai de fer pour la période médiévale (IXe - XVIe siècle)" "Home-made steel: A week at Manabe Sumihira's zuku-oshi tatara" "Mineralogical Study of Iron Sand with Different Metallurgical Characteristic to Smelting with Use of Japanese Classic Iron-making Furnace “Tatara” "Micromorphology, chemistry, and mineralogy of bog iron ores from Poland" "SOME THOUGHTS ON UTSURI Posted on 2013/08/22" "January 27, 2019 Iron and Steel Technology in Japanese Arms & Armors - Part 3: Bladesmithing" "Limits of pre-modern steel: Part 1. Not many people are aware of the properties of pre-modern steel and its limitations in swords and blades. It is very important for martial artists, as these constraints were the boundaries in which the various martial traditions were developed." The information here is mainly on the topic of swords but it highlights the metalllurgy.
@@Aegis--- I have neither heard of knights being gifted horse archers or seen a single depiction of it. I really wonder what you are basing that on? Isn't this part of the reason why the mongol's whooped their butt?
@@skynotaname2229 referring more to archery than to horse archery. Regardless samurai bows would have no effect on plate armor due to their very low (compartively) draw weight. European longbow were designed to pierce plate with very high draw weights, whereas Japanese bows were designed for use on both horse and foot (although interestingly, the same is done with the mongol bows, however they have very high draw weights due to their smaller sizes)
@@skynotaname2229Knights eventually did incorporate horse archery. And its more that they are trained to do it than actually do it regularly. Its just how roman legionaries were also expert slingers but no body reallt remembers
@skynotaname2229 Matchlock Cavalry in...well, entire Europe and Chasseurs a'Chaval in Napoleonic France (that also had its equivalents everywhere else in Europe). Winged Hussars in Poland-Lithuania were also armed with them, but didn't use them as much.
A knight fully encased in plate is the most redoutable warrior in history. He is basically immune to everything but the heaviest armor piercing blows. Even armor defeating weapons like bodkin arrows from warbows and heavy crossbows shatter upon heating the chest plate and usually rely on hitting weak spots or hitting the horse a knight is mounted upon where the fall from a horse moving at high speed is enough to break legs and backs. A samurai needs a very lucky shot to deal with the knight as even heavy Japanese weapons like the kanabo are inferior for dealing with plate than warhammers or poleaxes the knight as access too.
Bodkin arrows also didn't even necessarily counter Knights anyway. You'd need mass fire to do that something a samuria can't do in a duel. Generally just not a fair duel anyway
The armor in the last fight is armor they would've preferred for archery, not Polearm combat. They had more European style armor as well that would let them deal with polearms and even firearms(Nobunaga prefred a single Breast plate). This was less common mostly because they had a strong Archery pride and history many stuck to. The type of Sword you're showing wouldn't do well against even just Mail, and would mostly required half swaoding to do anything. You're not cutting through any of even lesser armor. And you're not stabbing through any gaps without half swording and grappling. For which, if you are grappling, the European armor is actually has some draw backs For one, you'll have less mobility, and you're probably heating up faster too. In one on one at least, I think it actually goes to the samurai because most armored fights would end up being a grappling match EVEN with polearms. On the battlefield if we give each culture their equvlant, I would then give it to the Europeans. As the grappling increases, so does simple trampling. I don't claim to be an expert I just looked into this a lot , so I'm open to having my mind changed!
As someone who did reenactments of Sekigahara and Kawanakajima (both times my ancestors were involved) with my family i would think the closest to a knight would be the Mongolian Khanate. I love the Reenactments because my mother and other women of my family had Onna Bugeisha roots.
3:01 Knight armor will not weigh you down or your horse. It was designed to distribute weight evenly across your body making it easier to wear and fight in. And every horse breed used by knights in the medieval era were all Shires, Clydesdales, and Belgian horses which are all draft horse breeds making them bigger and stronger to carry their warriors into battle. While the samurai’s also had heavy armor, it was considerably more flexible and more lightweight than the knights armor making them able to ride an average horse into battle. Down side to samurai armor is that due to its light weight nature compared to medieval knight armor is that, they’re more prone and vulnerable to heavy attacks from a knights heavy Greatsword, Mace or battle axe.
Knight horses were not draught horses, & certainly not more modern breeds. Medieval war horses (destriers, coursers & rounceys) were 14-15 hands, & bred for speed & stamina, not for pulling strength, they'd be a similar size & build to a field hunter. Japanese kisouma horses are tiny Japanese armour isn't really much different in flexibility (there's more variance between indigenous armours, than there is between each cultures) & weighed about the same as a percentage of bodyweight (the Japanese being much smaller, more so than today) to what was used in Europe
@@RoyalRegimentofScotland Even if we strictly go by what kit is shown in the video (we'll overlook the uh, liberties taken), and assume they would duel in a way that makes sense, it still could go either way. As for time periods, you can literally dream up any kind of fight scenario you want :) We'd have to know a whole lot more about the fighters to even begin to make guesses. There's no point in even trying. It'll just devolve in to a pointless argument. -My fighter is stronger! -Yeah, but mine is faster, he'll dodge and stab you. -Nu uh, my guy has armor everywhere! -But my guy is a veteran and has ten years more experience! -Well my guy throws poison in his face and wins! -Mooom! Ducklover7457 isn't playing fair!
@@VikingTeddy It realistically just wouldn't go either way. Late knights were just literally unbeatable in a duel by anyone who didn't have the same equipment , armour was even capable of protecting against certain firearms. Samurias literally adopted European armour even after knights stopped existing. Samurias factually aren't better trained yet to an extent that can just depend on the individual. Even if it's a mounted duel the odds are even worse for Samuria. The knights take literally every single advantage. Yes a samuria can win because it's real life and not an anime and anything could happen but it's like debating if I'd beat a 10 yr old in a fight or if an SAS operative would beat a conscript in a fight yes I or the SAS could potentially lose in a certain circumstance but I'm easily winning 9 out of 10 times.
@@RoyalRegimentofScotland Fair enough. If we're talking full plate vs yoroi in every scenario, then yes, that's an advantage. Both would have to grapple and poke at gaps, which a full plate has less. Not enough of an advantage to guarantee victory maybe, but definitely enough to put your money on the knight. But that's a very specific scenario, I was thinking in general, not just kit vs. kit.
@@generalnawaki With a naginata yes, unless actively trying to go for gaps. But what the video didn't seem to put forth is the fact that japanese loved using war bats too.
Although samurais are famous in the West, from the East Asian perspective, they are extremely overrated. Historically, samurais were a local military force confined to Japan and never succeeded in winning wars in East Asia; they couldn't even conquer Korea, let alone China. The medieval armies that were truly effective in East Asia were the Mongol and Khitan armies.
They were famous in the east as well, Japanese swords were even treated across Asia leading to development of the wodao or yaowodao. They actually succeed against foreign forces for an example such as the Mongol invasion which contrary to popular belief the storm did not save the day and the army actually complimented the Japanese fighting capabilities. Where would they not win the imjin war, play not only win more but also receive praise from their enemies. Leaving because the person who ordered this invasion in the first place passed away back home. Japanese mercenaries were actually by both Europeans and kingdoms from Southeast Asia, having a phenomenal reputation as bodyguards or soldiers.
Ranking medieval soldiers in matches is weird because it isn't all about equipment. It's about the skill of the individual soldier, their physical condition, emotions and mental state at any given moment. But we won't let that stop us, victory to the knights!
to be frank... Both European knights and samurai lived in times where war was a common thing. They both lived lives where martial skills were crucial. It really can't be said whether knights or samurai were more skilled as a whole, while quality of equipment can be determined more objectively.
@@Aegis--- Japan's Sengoku Warring States Period from the year 1467 to 1615, 148 years of constant civil warfare from various different samurai family clans. It wasn't until 1615 that Japan was unified under one rule under the powerful samurai warlord Tokugawa Ieyasu. After that 238 years of relative peace within Japan until western powers came ashore again in 1853 with US Navy Admiral Matthew Perry. Hence started the rapid modernization of Japan soon after that.
The earliest descriptions of ,,Ancient" Samurai come from centuries after the fall of Rome - not to mention, by the time these two would clash, Roman Army would start to experience its downfall (e.g. somewhere in the 3rd Century Crisis). Yet another factor is Roman Legions based their military superiority on tactics and discipline, not ,,individualistic" martial arts.
Yes and no. You only have so many arrows before running out of ammo or the enemy is getting close. But samurai were known for using bows at least as much as melee weapons in general.
@RonJeremy514 Yes arrows are limited. But the smaruai were not "basic" archers. As a rule, it WAS the primary weapon, then their version of the spear or pike. The sword in combat was a last resort. Liking pulling out a pistol vs rifles. A LAST resort.
@@xxxlonewolf49 Not necessarily. There are accounts of bushi and warriors assimilated to the samurai class using swords as main weapons, mostly in skirmishes, including greatswords, especially Hatamoto bodyguards but it also depends on the era if we talk about various warriors. Now, if one can wound or kill the enemy before being face to face, that's obviously a big advantage. Spear or pikes were not always the typical field weapon for samurai. There were many types of polearms and field weapons like the war bats (tetsubo, konsaibo), nagamaki (similar to a tachi/katana mounted on a massive hilt, but it wasn't exactly built like that nor always converted into a nagamaki), mallets too. Sometime they used improvised or crafted shields but they didn't seem to use those all that often. It's a bit complicated because the way we bring this topic like this would mean that they always carried a daisho (katana/tachi + wakizashi + tanto + field weapon + bow... No way a samurai can carry all that at the same time let's be realistic) Ashigaru peasant troops were most often pikemen and "basic archers" for sure.
This must be a joke! A Samurai could never defeat a Knight and would lose. The Samurai couldn't beat Korea and China combine and they were next door to them and they still lost. So how can a Samurai hope to beat someone else if they can't beat their own neighbors.
All right this is not correct, they not only win more but also greatly respected for the combat prowess by their enemies, leaving because the one who ordered this in the first place died back home So having no reason to stay. They had other battle experiences with foreign forces, such as mercenaries working as bodyguards or soldiers for Europeans and SE kingdoms, having a fierce and fantastic reputation. Their weapons were not too dissimilar to what a knight would have used.
@@eagle162 LOL! They lost the war stop spreading lies you Samurai fanboy Weeb TROLL. The Samurai weapons being equal to a Knight is very questionable at beast. The Samurai never have plate armor something the Samurai would have a hard time defeating against.
@@Josuke8Man LOL! And yet the Samurai and Japan did lose to both Korea and China in the Imjin War in the late 1500s. In the end the losers were the Samurai, Japan, and Hideyoshi's faction.
People who like Japan tend to vastly over estimate the killing power of the Katana vs other weapons from around the world, honestly the deadliest weapon the Japanese had would be that big spiked club they used, that would mess with a knight so badly!
@@jager894 I'm not sure why but I'm pretty sure the arrows those bows fired were lighter because they were meant to be fired on horse back vs on foot. I think the European longbow arrow was heavier. I know the English one was.
Knights win hands down! At least the Knight was able to hold Jerusalem for at least a 100 years in the MIddle East. The Samurai was locked and stuck on their island for along time of isolation. So in other words lacked the experience to fight other groups of warriors. Even when Japan got guns or firearms from the Portuguese in the mid 1500s, they still could not beat and lost to Korea and China in a large scale war in the late 1500s. So in the end the Samurai will lose due to Knight's plate armor anyways. And had no weapons to defeat the Knight's plate armor.
Knights in early Middle Ages were quite different from those in late Middle Ages. The same can be said about Samurai. Earlier Samurai were armored horse archers. At the end of the Sengoku Era, more and more (1/3 or more) used guns as the main weapon.
@@Nimori Knights in full plate armor wouldn't use shields. If anything, the equivalent to the yumi for the medieval knight would be his lance. Or in the case of a duel on foot like this probably a poleaxe. But the entire equipment in this video is a joke anyway.
My request is Alexander the Great and his Macedonian Army (those who have entered the Persian Empire) vs Hannibal Barca and his Carthaginian Army and the mercenaries in a pitched battle in an open flat battlefield.
@RoyalRegimentofScotland Hannibal once pulled such a dirty trick against Romans, baiting them to fight while they were cold, hungry and tired. Of course, Alexander was a skilled commander and it's not that likely he would take the bait - but if he were to, he could have a chance.
Please do more resarch especially on the arms and armor of both the japanese and especially the europeans before you make a video like this. Seeing the inaccurate bashford 14th century harness being used with a 16th century zweihänder and a oversized heatershield made me nearly cry.
99% of the time both fought on horseback. Not mentioning the HUGE advantage European horses had over Japanese Kiso horses is disingenuous. If u don't believe me, just ask the Japanese Army - they literally castrated every Japanese horse in the country and replaced them with European horses as part of the Meiji Era military reforms. Clearly they acknowledged the superiority of European horses in combat
My god was this special. There is ONE medieval european armor in this. The rest is from the 16th century. the Samurai DODGES a lance blow becasue his helmet is open. The knights armor is havier than the Samurais. the list goes on. please do ANY research before such a video.
though do projects revolving around samurai stuff but i don't really do any research on the weapons and what i don't get is that some weebs out there would actually think that samurai would win just bc theyre cool to them. to me the look is enough to tell that a thin sword made for slicing wouldn't penetrate a thick pure steel fully armored man
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The samurai weapon is actually just as good as the knights weapon in terms of sharpness and strength. Tho samurai weapons tend to be more brittle and will more likely to break in a full strength slash against something really solid. Anything can be made sharp but it's all about how well it holds up. Anything can be razor sharp such as a razor.
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So now there's a total of 4 videos now that are essentially paywalled because of animated South Park inspired gore? Can't you at least repost the French revolution on rumble? It's not like anyone's allowed to repost your content even with the context of it being a deleted video...rumble is a considerable platform, not discouraged. Unless you're a liberal labeling the site as right-winged, but this is about history right?
OH CMON YOUR VIDEOS ARE ANIMATED SO ATLEAST IT AIN’T SO GRAPHIC
You said it! They never had Samurai vs Ninja!
TH-cam is taking it too far. I can't afford to subscribe to each youtuber's Patreon.
7:35
Samurai: "Why won't you die!?"
Knight: "European armor, samurai. It makes me strong against your katana."
"Plate armor, son. It's hardened steel in response to piercing weapons."
*_"laughs in Kanabo and Tetsubo"_*
@Booz2020 Also Indonesian: "Hold our 'Ilmu Kebal'."
"Standing here, I realize" intensifies
@@skytrooperss892also Netherlands who vasalizing that country for 350 years: laugh in hidden
Time to bring back The Deadliest Warrior.
#BringBackTheDeadliestWarrior Great show!! Shouldn't have been cancelled after it's 3rd season back in 2011!.
@@romanvillegas7280Yeah. Me too.😢
I have the first season on DVD 100% agreed
Took the words right out of my mouth. I truly believe the knight would win. They may not have the acrobatics of a samurai but their plate armor is pretty durable compared to bamboo and in medieval Europe they had less down time compared to the samurai. The samurai just had to walk home after their battle maybe a few miles away from their house. The thing I like about Japan it's like very tiny so there was not a whole lot going on compared to the chaoticness of Europe.
Why? so they can give the Samurai every advantage while they give the Knight the basic equipment? yeah a Samurai in banded armor on a horse with a long bow vs a knight on food with a sword wearing chainmail. real fair fight that one.
"European medieval knight" - the guy on the left is 16th century, the knight himself uses a metal shield (not medieval) and a Bidenhänder from the 16th century, and the guy on the right is from the 16th or 17th century. Soooo...where's the medieval knight?
This video is just so ridiculous... when fantasy meets ignorance meets I-do-not-care-about-history.
@@AlexanderBlumenau What is weird is that the armour isn't stereotypical. An ignorant lazy person would just have generic armour. The "fight" is supposed to take place in the 16th century. The odd guy is the actual knight. Although I don't think that they said the shield was metal. A bigger problem is the use of the shield and a great sword together.
@@PeregrinTintenfish The shield in the video is metal, because the "knight" hits his sword against the shield and it creates sparks and a clear "metal on metal" sound. But even if the shield was wood, it would still be unhistorical, shields with that shape were smaller. And while the two guys at the side would fit into the 16th century setting, the guy in the middle does actually have armor that would be medieval, like 14th century, but then he just casually wear the (too large) metal shield and a clearly early modern Zweihander - and as the name says, that's a weapon for two hands anyway and not a knightly weapon in any way.
But I do agree, the armor depictions themselves are actually quite well done. Like the creator didn't look at any dates, but certainly did their research when it comes to how "some" armor looks like. Like the armor at the left is just 1:1 what I know from a 16th century museum in my hometown.
bist wohl auch durch Geschichtsfenster hier 😅
@@Dr_Juju so ist es
Not 10 seconds in this abomination of a video without historical inaccuracies... very hard watch
My bet is on the knight. And since you've chosen to give the knight a Zwëihander, he might not even need to stab in gaps if he swings that thing hard enough.
That weapon was used for destroying pikes and spear heads if I remember correctly
@@joshgray8377 That was its main use in battle. But I just love how it can also double down as a bludgeon if you're dedicated enough. Versatility, baby. That's what makes it my favorite "medieval" weapon. Yeaaaaaaaah!
Same
@@joshgray8377 yarp, that and a guardsmen weapon (swing it about the place in a big whirly fashion and you can keep a mob at bay/take up a lot of room)
@@BH-rx3uestill my favourite sword no matter what, looks real menacing
Whoever gets the first shot off
Sword vs sword: spring steel beats folded steel, longsword/greatsword has better reach than katana/no-daichi. Ranged weapons: musket beats arquebus. Armor: gothic/italian style has more coverage than an o-yoroi. Horseback: lance has better punch and reach than yari/naginata. Horses: a destrier is bigger/stronger than a japanese horse, is armored.
Yeah the part about the horse being too weak to carry a fully armored knight kinda threw me, they bred horses to be strong enough for that task. The term war horse exists for a reason.
@@generalnawaki both the japanese and western knights had warhorses. However, being hit by a 400kg destrier in plate is different from getting hit from a 200-250kg light war horse/pony with no armor.
@@randolphtiangco6239 Like the difference between being hit by a pickup and a train.
@@generalnawaki it matters when you and/or your horse are both armored
@@randolphtiangco6239 I completely agree, and European war horses ridden by knight's often did have barding.
Another TH-camr, Gesichtsfenster did a reaction video to this.
Context: Geschichtsfenster (english: history window) is a German historian specialising on medieval history. He reacted to this video in a stream und just recently uploaded the stream as video on youtube. He just shows off the history inaccuracies of this 10 minute video. Geschichtsfenster's video is 43 minutes long. So one can guess the amount of inaccuracies he mentions. And those aren't minor details either
@@byter9819 The length of a reaction video is not a good measure of quality of the original. Andrej also complains about everything. It is very theatrical.
@@PeregrinTintenfish yeah i like his normal information video but when it comes to reactions he is a bit to aggressive and takes everthing to seriously like i get it many of the videos hes watching should have done a better job but it is still entertainment so a little bit of freedom for the design should be there for the creators like the dragon in peasent video he watched where he instantly didnt like it
@@PeregrinTintenfish I agree with both of you (including maybenotavampire). I am no expert for history. Having that in mind, I do feel that his complains are still justified. And they can well be ignored, too by others. He has other standards when watching such a video. He watches them on purpose to spot inaccurracies, while others just watch them to be entertained. What he sells as major flaws, is seen as unimportant by others. In the end he also just takes the role of an entertainer in those reaction videos.
@@byter9819 He is complaining to entertain, and also jumps to conclusions.
Actually Spanish Marines defeated a force of Ronin pirates in Cagayan, Philippines, back in 1582. The tactics and discipline of Less than a hundred Spanish Marines prevailed against hundreds of ronin. The Japanese called the Spanish Marines 'Lizards',and today it is still their nickname, 'lagartos'
They don't and you may want to take a closer look at that.
"November 16, 2018
Cagayan Battles of 1582: Debunking the Hoax"
"Samurai Pirates Against the Spanish Empire? By
Ceithernach, Sep 11, 2020"
"¿Tercios vs. samuráis? Mito y realidad sobre los combates de Cagayán"
The matter is about invincible samurais and razor sharp katana cutting through cannon barrels. There was a skirmish between Spanish Marines and armour clad Japanese ronin, and the Spanish prevailed. Not a pitched battle against Tokugawa Ieyasu army, of course,but in hand to hand combat the Spanish prevailed.
@@jorgebea7033that is not the matter that is being discussed. Again you can read what I left there.
@@eagle162 I've already read that. Just an interpretation, not the truth
@@jorgebea7033it is not that, that's going over actual historical facts and looking at the sources which are not aligned with the common popular story.
What decided the results of the second battle? Pure luck or pity points to the samurai?
european muskets had stronger gunpowder and some of their armor was even bulletproof. so it was clearly a pity point.
@@sharkur my thoughts exactly
@@sharkur At that range against a full-sized arequebus, the plate armor wouldn't have stood up to it, but yeah it was a pity point for sure. More likely than not NEITHER of those weapons would have fired. They didn't like to work, not even on a good day.
Durability: knight
Flexibility: Samurai
Strength: knight (due to the weight of the sword)
Speed: Samurai
Stamina: Samurai
Weapons: knight
Overall: knight
I think it's true for anime weebs out there hardened plate steel and more layering is very effective against slashing weapons and that gives the knight a very good protection meanwhile the samurai got the advantage of flexibility which means that the samurai have a little chance to hit the Knight's weak spots and lastly the strength is very good against these situations speed may lack the knight but one fatal blow will end it all
In real fight speed and agility is best
@@Josuke8Man durability too....
@@somefunnyguy2732 for 1v1 fight
You should have mentioned the battle of cagayan 60 Spanish conquistador Vs 1000 samurai
Werent those against pirates and not actual samuria
The Spanish also had help from Filipino Natives & Mexican Native Americans as well
Both are friggin awesome, but the more I learn the actual history of these two warriors, the more I realize the samurai would absolutely stand no chance, if we're putting all the woo around samurai aside, and being intellectually honest.
Also, the folding of katana and their ilk weapons, is not some mystical magic steel making technique, but rather a way to make a decent blade with really crummy steel.
This video miss out one HUGE point.The samurai were also expert horse archers, the knight will have hard time just closing in while being shot at with arrows just how the mongol dealt with the knight and WON most of the time.
Knight. No contest.
Nah. Samurai armor was comparable to European plate armor in strength and weight. It's going to come down to the person in the armor and how well they are trained. It is essentially, who gets lucky
@@soulknife20wth you sure a paper armor can match a METAL plate?!
@@akali2927 It's leather armor actually, but yes, compare to iron armor, leather armor has more weakness
leather breaks apart from swords or arrows. Steel is steel....
@@soulknife20 sorry dude but no, banded mail is no match for PLATEMAIL when its hardened steel and rounded to deflect piercing weapons. Honestly even European weapons were superior. The Katana is probably the most over blown weapon in history, think on this, why did it have to be folded? because sand iron makes for weak steel so they had to layer it so it wouldn't fold after one hit.
Shadiversity is going to rip this one apart, just so you know.
Idk not enough double bladed swords
you'd think by now channels like this would have learnt their lesson. I mean the knight removing armour coz it was too heavy for the horse? worries about flexibility? the naginata being sharper coz its made of folded steel!?
Metatron....
A knight wielding a Zweihänder (two handed-weapon) AND a shield?
@@davidbongni5715 Right, this ain't dark souls.
from the first second to the last -- just a big Show of bullshit !!
The samurai at the last match should have chosen a "Kanabou" or "Testsubou" for the fight. This video is for entertainment only so please guys don't take it too seriously.
You mean a blunt weapon?
The knight would win, he is going to be a larger heavier man, better armor and weapons, and if it comes to grappling well he absolutely gonna have the edge
Medieval Knight wins all they way
Knight armour was to advance for samurai , even the samurai clone their version of knight armour
This video felt like it was trying not to offend anyone. In a general sense, a European knight would win in MOST situations. Plus that second "fight" with the arquebus wasn't logical at all, you didn't even go into WHY the samurai would win that, nor how the the age of the weapon used mattered at all... Like what was the point of bringing that up. Felt like it was a throw away to not make the Japanese angry that a samurai would GENERALLY not win these types of fights. I thought this was gonna be a real historic and in depth analysis where it was explained exactly WHY a fight would turn out as it would.
There's nothing that would make either samurai or knight, win the majority of the time.
@@eagle162 There absolutely is... Especially if you get to the nitty gritty details like weapon quality, training, experience, technology, will. There are plenty of factors that would decide a fight a majority of the time. For example, medieval knights armor would be difficult for a samurai to deal with because of the poor quality weapons the Japanese had to work with. That means the knight would win a MAJORITY of the time.
@@luckytanuki5449Europeans praise Japanese weapons and weapons (particularly swords) were traded across Asia.
Experience, again there is nothing here, Japanese warriors were again praised by Europeans and even hired as mercenaries. Fighting outside Japan.
Technology okay this is a huge misconception, hyping up European metal working and mistaking later Edo period swords traditions which focus on swords looking cool then practicality, is not the case with the koto era.
Armor, Japanese armor can offer as much protection as a knight or more, both choose how much coverage they wanted,both basically use the same weapons and techniques for armored combat.
Neutron diffraction study on full-shape Japanese sword"
The Investigation of Establishing Time of Zuku-Oshi and Kera-Oshi with Data of Iron Image of Buddha Making Age and Old Document "Kokon-Kajibiko"
Ancient and historic steel in Japan, India and Europe, a non-invasive comparative study using thermal neutron diffraction, F.Grazzi et al, 2011.
The Sword and the Crucible: A History of the Metallurgy of European Swords Up to the 16th Century, A. Williams, 2012
Some Aspects of the Metallurgy and Production of European Armor OCTOBER 18, 2016
Archaeometallurgical Investigation on Historical Sword-Making Techniques in Northern Italy Between the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries, G.Tonelli et al, 2022
November 04, 2019 Japanese Swords "Mythbusting" - Part 1
La question du minerai de fer pour la période médiévale (IXe - XVIe siècle)
Home-made steel: A week at Manabe Sumihira's zuku-oshi tatara
Mineralogical Study of Iron Sand with Different Metallurgical Characteristic to Smelting with Use of Japanese Classic Iron-making Furnace “Tatara”
Micromorphology, chemistry, and mineralogy of bog iron ores from Poland
SOME THOUGHTS ON UTSURI
Posted on 2013/08/22
January 27, 2019
Iron and Steel Technology in Japanese Arms & Armors - Part 3: Bladesmithing
@@eagle162 Just because the Europeans praised the Japanese swords, does not mean they could stand up to traditional armor lol. They are impressive in their own right, but they are brittle and are not ideal for fighting plate armor. Crushing weapons are most effective against plate, not slashing. As for experience, European knights have a longer history of fighting than Japanese samurai, and also adapt more to the situations needed. As for the armor, Japanese Armour was designed more for protection against arrows and spears meaning it is no where near as protective as plate, more mobile sure, but that gets into mobility VS protection debate.
@@luckytanuki5449did you not check out the sources I give none of that is true.
Japanese swords are not brittle. Katanas were used against plate armor, you don't slice through it you aim for the weak points, which is the preferred method of both the knight and a samurai not crushing armor.
Knights do not have any longer history of fighting and again Samurai fought outside Japan or against other foreign forces. Which included Europeans hiring Japanese warriors against other Europeans.
Do you hear yourself, are you saying European armor was not designed to help protect damage from arrows or spears which are common in medieval Europe,spear being such a common weapon for knights.
Both Samurai and knights, make a choice between protection or mobility based on their needs or wants.
Not every knight or Samurai armor was equal to another knight or Samurai armor.
Knight would win the fight. Only so much finesse would get you so far in that time period. Our Asian friends focus so much on technique(which is valuable to an extent) that they tend to forget what it takes when it comes to a fight. That’s what made Atilla such a badass. Win the fight comes first
Technique is superior boi😂😂
Atilla probably uaed some techniques as well
I mean... Is not like knight had no technique . Historicaly knight where nobles trained for their entire life to fight. War was entirely their job. They even forced small scale war only to have fun working. Not to mention, the very nature of those war was less brutal, giving those knight more chance to gain experience in war. It was pretty common back then to be. War veteran among nobility.
Those noble knight spenders their days thinking and training for war, do you really believe they never created technique?
Just go look at all the manual of war you can find.
@@danlomanalo4161 Not against full plate boy
@@Matze239 implying that knights also don't use techniques?
You know what they say, technique beats strength
When will a medieval knight come? This is the 16th century. 🤣🤭
16th century is late medieval
It is crazy seeing how much your animation has improved!!! Keep up the great work!!
"No rules, no safety, no mercy. It's a duel to the death to find out who is THE DEADLIEST WARRIOR"
This reminded me of Deadliest Warrior.
I remember that episode, they gave the samurai a horse and a long bow and had the knight on foot in chainmail, most one sided fight in the shows history.
While the samurai is cool and all, a European knight has plate armor and swords made from richer iron content and a bit heavier. A samurai may have speed with lighter armor but the katana can't pierce plate armor unless they're aiming for the small gaps. Meanwhile a European broad sword/longsword can cut through Japanese armor with enough force.
That last fight.
"Standing here, I realize. That you're just like me, trying to make history!"
The 1582 Cagayan battles were a series of clashes between the forces of the Spanish Philippines and wokou (Japanese pirates made up of rōnin)
This is about as historically accurate as that infamous Game Theory video about For Honor. By which I mean to say not at all. Shame.
"Parry this you Filthy Casual"
" *Bang* "
The knight. Katanas or other Japanese swords are not made to fight armour but arming swords and long swords are. The fairest match between these two in melee combat is if both parts has a blunt weapon and I am still betting on the knight due to superior armour
I still feel like the samari would do better because they were trained in ways no other army at the time have ever had and they were born a warrior. And would most likely just knock the sword out of the troops hand by how heavy it is and how much the armour would effect grip strength.
Knights were a hereditary military aristocracy, just like the samurai, & trained for a similar amount of time
European swords weighed about the same as Japanese swords, with a similar variation, & their armour weighed about the same as a percentage of bodyweight (the Japanese being much smaller, even more so than today). Why would the armour effect grip strength?
"For the emperor" 🎉
Of course the Samurai will lose to a Knight it's not even a contest. Not only would the Samurai lack the weapons to kill the Knight it also would be ineffective against it. Besides the Samurai were mostly locked onto their small island. And to add the Samurai lacked real experience fighting against other forces and warriors outside of their island. Even the Imjin War in the late 1500s proved it. For anyone not familiar with it? Long story short the Samurai lost the war and failed to beat Korea and China as well.
Besides everyone knows it the Samurai is just overrated.
Japan can get Korea and China why can't beat?
@@Josuke8Man Was this before the 1800s? If not than your just delusional person and a TROLL! Japan couldn't beat both Korea and China it's already been proven in the Imjin war late 1500s. Even after China was weak and no longer a Super Power China still held off the Japanese. Japan failed to conqueror and failed to beat China in WW2. After Japan spent 14 years they have epically failed to take over and beat China.
@@justinvang561 are you a 50 cent or something?
@@eagle162 Did I hurt your feelings Samurai Weeb.
@@eagle162 Really? After someone speaks out true facts your going to cry about it like a child.
European armor is just too good. It will crush the samurai in a cavalry charge. Or outlast the with their tough armor. Even they're weapons have more stomping power.
Knights would win 7/10. The difference in physical stature, obviously europeans are taller and stronger. Full plate armor compared to japanese armor is superior in metallurgy.
Europeans were not that tall back then, even today the high difference between Japan and the average European is not that different, but regardless of height that's not going to matter much when weapons and armor are involve.
Stronger? That depends on the person.
No it was not Superior in metallurgy. I can give a few sources about this if you want.
@@eagle162 Medieval Europeans were only slightly shorter on average than modern Europeans (the reduction in height happened during the increased urbanisation in Early Modern/Industrial Revolution). The Japanese were much smaller (more so than today). Average height through time is very easy data to find (TH-cam doesn't like outside links)
Larger people tend to be stronger, & that is a huge advantage in physical combat
By the time of plate armour, European metallurgy was considerably better, & had been for some time
@@StonesSticksBones they were not, the average height for for most European men are like 5'9 and it's 5'7 for Japan, people aren't even sure about the average height in sengoku era, when people talk about height during the samurai era, people are typically talking about the edo period where people got shorter, that's not accounting for samurai or knights who at least hypothetically would be a bit taller on average.
No it wasn't this is a myth concerning metalluary.
"Neutron diffraction study on full-shape Japanese sword"
"The Investigation of Establishing Time of Zuku-Oshi and Kera-Oshi with Data of Iron Image of Buddha Making Age and Old Document "Kokon-Kajibiko"
"Ancient and historic steel in Japan, India and Europe, a non-invasive comparative study using thermal neutron diffraction, F.Grazzi et al, 2011."
"The Sword and the Crucible: A History of the Metallurgy of European Swords Up to the 16th Century, A. Williams, 2012"
"Some Aspects of the Metallurgy and Production of European Armor OCTOBER 18, 2016"
"Archaeometallurgical Investigation on Historical Sword-Making Techniques in Northern Italy Between the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries, G.Tonelli et al, 2022"
"November 04, 2019 Japanese Swords "Mythbusting" - Part 1"
"La question du minerai de fer pour la période médiévale (IXe - XVIe siècle)"
"Home-made steel: A week at Manabe Sumihira's zuku-oshi tatara"
"Mineralogical Study of Iron Sand with Different Metallurgical Characteristic to Smelting with Use of Japanese Classic Iron-making Furnace “Tatara”
"Micromorphology, chemistry, and mineralogy of bog iron ores from Poland"
"SOME THOUGHTS ON UTSURI
Posted on 2013/08/22"
"January 27, 2019
Iron and Steel Technology in Japanese Arms & Armors - Part 3: Bladesmithing"
"Limits of pre-modern steel: Part 1.
Not many people are aware of the properties of pre-modern steel and its limitations in swords and blades. It is very important for martial artists, as these constraints were the boundaries in which the various martial traditions were developed."
The information here is mainly on the topic of swords but it highlights the metalllurgy.
Its not a real fight until both parties shout out their respective super skills and techniques
It is like I'm a child and my uncle is trying very hard to be a cool uncle while babysitting me
I thought samurai were also archers, specifically also gifted horse archers.
Yes, but then again, so were knights
@@Aegis--- I have neither heard of knights being gifted horse archers or seen a single depiction of it. I really wonder what you are basing that on? Isn't this part of the reason why the mongol's whooped their butt?
@@skynotaname2229 referring more to archery than to horse archery.
Regardless samurai bows would have no effect on plate armor due to their very low (compartively) draw weight. European longbow were designed to pierce plate with very high draw weights, whereas Japanese bows were designed for use on both horse and foot (although interestingly, the same is done with the mongol bows, however they have very high draw weights due to their smaller sizes)
@@skynotaname2229Knights eventually did incorporate horse archery. And its more that they are trained to do it than actually do it regularly. Its just how roman legionaries were also expert slingers but no body reallt remembers
@skynotaname2229 Matchlock Cavalry in...well, entire Europe and Chasseurs a'Chaval in Napoleonic France (that also had its equivalents everywhere else in Europe).
Winged Hussars in Poland-Lithuania were also armed with them, but didn't use them as much.
A knight fully encased in plate is the most redoutable warrior in history.
He is basically immune to everything but the heaviest armor piercing blows.
Even armor defeating weapons like bodkin arrows from warbows and heavy crossbows shatter upon heating the chest plate and usually rely on hitting weak spots or hitting the horse a knight is mounted upon where the fall from a horse moving at high speed is enough to break legs and backs.
A samurai needs a very lucky shot to deal with the knight as even heavy Japanese weapons like the kanabo are inferior for dealing with plate than warhammers or poleaxes the knight as access too.
Bodkin arrows also didn't even necessarily counter Knights anyway. You'd need mass fire to do that something a samuria can't do in a duel. Generally just not a fair duel anyway
The armor in the last fight is armor they would've preferred for archery, not Polearm combat. They had more European style armor as well that would let them deal with polearms and even firearms(Nobunaga prefred a single Breast plate). This was less common mostly because they had a strong Archery pride and history many stuck to. The type of Sword you're showing wouldn't do well against even just Mail, and would mostly required half swaoding to do anything. You're not cutting through any of even lesser armor. And you're not stabbing through any gaps without half swording and grappling. For which, if you are grappling, the European armor is actually has some draw backs For one, you'll have less mobility, and you're probably heating up faster too. In one on one at least, I think it actually goes to the samurai because most armored fights would end up being a grappling match EVEN with polearms. On the battlefield if we give each culture their equvlant, I would then give it to the Europeans. As the grappling increases, so does simple trampling. I don't claim to be an expert I just looked into this a lot , so I'm open to having my mind changed!
Until this year i still playing For Honor, Thank you for the Knight VS Samurai video.
As someone who did reenactments of Sekigahara and Kawanakajima (both times my ancestors were involved) with my family i would think the closest to a knight would be the Mongolian Khanate.
I love the Reenactments because my mother and other women of my family had Onna Bugeisha roots.
3:01 Knight armor will not weigh you down or your horse. It was designed to distribute weight evenly across your body making it easier to wear and fight in. And every horse breed used by knights in the medieval era were all Shires, Clydesdales, and Belgian horses which are all draft horse breeds making them bigger and stronger to carry their warriors into battle. While the samurai’s also had heavy armor, it was considerably more flexible and more lightweight than the knights armor making them able to ride an average horse into battle. Down side to samurai armor is that due to its light weight nature compared to medieval knight armor is that, they’re more prone and vulnerable to heavy attacks from a knights heavy Greatsword, Mace or battle axe.
Knight horses were not draught horses, & certainly not more modern breeds. Medieval war horses (destriers, coursers & rounceys) were 14-15 hands, & bred for speed & stamina, not for pulling strength, they'd be a similar size & build to a field hunter. Japanese kisouma horses are tiny
Japanese armour isn't really much different in flexibility (there's more variance between indigenous armours, than there is between each cultures) & weighed about the same as a percentage of bodyweight (the Japanese being much smaller, more so than today) to what was used in Europe
It would depend on the warriors in the battle. Weapons are merely an extension of the warrior.
I'm glad this channel's taking a bit from Deadliest Warrior but with a fun twist
Knight wins. There, I said it.
What kind of knight, against what kind of samurai? And a whooole heap of other variables. The real answer is, whoever you want to :)
@@VikingTeddyThe real answer is the knight wins most of the time for most time periods
@@RoyalRegimentofScotland Even if we strictly go by what kit is shown in the video (we'll overlook the uh, liberties taken), and assume they would duel in a way that makes sense, it still could go either way.
As for time periods, you can literally dream up any kind of fight scenario you want :)
We'd have to know a whole lot more about the fighters to even begin to make guesses.
There's no point in even trying. It'll just devolve in to a pointless argument. -My fighter is stronger! -Yeah, but mine is faster, he'll dodge and stab you. -Nu uh, my guy has armor everywhere! -But my guy is a veteran and has ten years more experience! -Well my guy throws poison in his face and wins! -Mooom! Ducklover7457 isn't playing fair!
@@VikingTeddy It realistically just wouldn't go either way. Late knights were just literally unbeatable in a duel by anyone who didn't have the same equipment , armour was even capable of protecting against certain firearms. Samurias literally adopted European armour even after knights stopped existing. Samurias factually aren't better trained yet to an extent that can just depend on the individual. Even if it's a mounted duel the odds are even worse for Samuria. The knights take literally every single advantage. Yes a samuria can win because it's real life and not an anime and anything could happen but it's like debating if I'd beat a 10 yr old in a fight or if an SAS operative would beat a conscript in a fight yes I or the SAS could potentially lose in a certain circumstance but I'm easily winning 9 out of 10 times.
@@RoyalRegimentofScotland Fair enough. If we're talking full plate vs yoroi in every scenario, then yes, that's an advantage.
Both would have to grapple and poke at gaps, which a full plate has less. Not enough of an advantage to guarantee victory maybe, but definitely enough to put your money on the knight.
But that's a very specific scenario, I was thinking in general, not just kit vs. kit.
Havent watched but knight should win
Kinda hard to get through plate mail with a slashing weapon lol
@@generalnawaki With a naginata yes, unless actively trying to go for gaps. But what the video didn't seem to put forth is the fact that japanese loved using war bats too.
Knights would win. 1565 the Portuguese won vs the Matsura Clan at the Battle of Fukuda Bay.
Although samurais are famous in the West, from the East Asian perspective, they are extremely overrated. Historically, samurais were a local military force confined to Japan and never succeeded in winning wars in East Asia; they couldn't even conquer Korea, let alone China. The medieval armies that were truly effective in East Asia were the Mongol and Khitan armies.
They were famous in the east as well, Japanese swords were even treated across Asia leading to development of the wodao or yaowodao.
They actually succeed against foreign forces for an example such as the Mongol invasion which contrary to popular belief the storm did not save the day and the army actually complimented the Japanese fighting capabilities.
Where would they not win the imjin war, play not only win more but also receive praise from their enemies. Leaving because the person who ordered this invasion in the first place passed away back home.
Japanese mercenaries were actually by both Europeans and kingdoms from Southeast Asia, having a phenomenal reputation as bodyguards or soldiers.
Bro called Montante "Broadsword" lol😅😂
Ranking medieval soldiers in matches is weird because it isn't all about equipment. It's about the skill of the individual soldier, their physical condition, emotions and mental state at any given moment. But we won't let that stop us, victory to the knights!
to be frank... Both European knights and samurai lived in times where war was a common thing. They both lived lives where martial skills were crucial. It really can't be said whether knights or samurai were more skilled as a whole, while quality of equipment can be determined more objectively.
@@adzi6164 you could argue that the average knight would be more trained than a samurai during long periods of peace due to more rampant war in europe
@@Aegis--- consider the Sengoku period, however.
@@adzi6164 which compared to Europe, really wasn't that different
@@Aegis--- Japan's Sengoku Warring States Period from the year 1467 to 1615, 148 years of constant civil warfare from various different samurai family clans. It wasn't until 1615 that Japan was unified under one rule under the powerful samurai warlord Tokugawa Ieyasu. After that 238 years of relative peace within Japan until western powers came ashore again in 1853 with US Navy Admiral Matthew Perry. Hence started the rapid modernization of Japan soon after that.
Now try Roman Legions vs Samurai Army(pre-Gunpowder Era) or Sun Tzu vs Julius Caesar
The earliest descriptions of ,,Ancient" Samurai come from centuries after the fall of Rome - not to mention, by the time these two would clash, Roman Army would start to experience its downfall (e.g. somewhere in the 3rd Century Crisis).
Yet another factor is Roman Legions based their military superiority on tactics and discipline, not ,,individualistic" martial arts.
The fact this was released when it was my birthday
How is the Samurai riding no handed and dodging a lance charge?
Samurai used a BOW, then a spear LONG before the sword.
Yes and no. You only have so many arrows before running out of ammo or the enemy is getting close. But samurai were known for using bows at least as much as melee weapons in general.
@RonJeremy514 Yes arrows are limited. But the smaruai were not "basic" archers. As a rule, it WAS the primary weapon, then their version of the spear or pike. The sword in combat was a last resort. Liking pulling out a pistol vs rifles. A LAST resort.
@@xxxlonewolf49 Not necessarily. There are accounts of bushi and warriors assimilated to the samurai class using swords as main weapons, mostly in skirmishes, including greatswords, especially Hatamoto bodyguards but it also depends on the era if we talk about various warriors.
Now, if one can wound or kill the enemy before being face to face, that's obviously a big advantage. Spear or pikes were not always the typical field weapon for samurai. There were many types of polearms and field weapons like the war bats (tetsubo, konsaibo), nagamaki (similar to a tachi/katana mounted on a massive hilt, but it wasn't exactly built like that nor always converted into a nagamaki), mallets too. Sometime they used improvised or crafted shields but they didn't seem to use those all that often.
It's a bit complicated because the way we bring this topic like this would mean that they always carried a daisho (katana/tachi + wakizashi + tanto + field weapon + bow... No way a samurai can carry all that at the same time let's be realistic)
Ashigaru peasant troops were most often pikemen and "basic archers" for sure.
@RonJeremy514 TLDR, I have a life. Accounts, one of off stories are NOT the rule, not break or change The Rule.
@@xxxlonewolf49 Except that there is no proof that it was the rule of thumb for the samurai to use pikes and lances. Try again.
Pretty sure the samurai had a tanto for a quick stab to the neck?
1:50 when the samurai flipped off the knight😂
This must be a joke! A Samurai could never defeat a Knight and would lose. The Samurai couldn't beat Korea and China combine and they were next door to them and they still lost. So how can a Samurai hope to beat someone else if they can't beat their own neighbors.
All right this is not correct, they not only win more but also greatly respected for the combat prowess by their enemies, leaving because the one who ordered this in the first place died back home So having no reason to stay.
They had other battle experiences with foreign forces, such as mercenaries working as bodyguards or soldiers for Europeans and SE kingdoms, having a fierce and fantastic reputation.
Their weapons were not too dissimilar to what a knight would have used.
Just your opinion not facts
@@eagle162 LOL! They lost the war stop spreading lies you Samurai fanboy Weeb TROLL.
The Samurai weapons being equal to a Knight is very questionable at beast. The Samurai never have plate armor something the Samurai would have a hard time defeating against.
@@Josuke8Man LOL! And yet the Samurai and Japan did lose to both Korea and China in the Imjin War in the late 1500s. In the end the losers were the Samurai, Japan, and Hideyoshi's faction.
@@john-xiong-2820 Samurai win mogol empire. Mongol empire beat China Korea Russia Europe but knight can't beat Mongol soldier
This video is the biggest collection of exemplary nonsense and misinformation I've seen for a long, long time.
A knight would win by just gear alone.
People who like Japan tend to vastly over estimate the killing power of the Katana vs other weapons from around the world, honestly the deadliest weapon the Japanese had would be that big spiked club they used, that would mess with a knight so badly!
@@jager894 I'm not sure why but I'm pretty sure the arrows those bows fired were lighter because they were meant to be fired on horse back vs on foot. I think the European longbow arrow was heavier. I know the English one was.
@@jager894Bows dont really do anything to Knights alone. They are more of an annoyance
This reminds me of "Deadliest Warrior."
Samurai is balanced that's Samurai is Meta
Samurai have speed agility make people make they style and many types to use
Knights win hands down! At least the Knight was able to hold Jerusalem for at least a 100 years in the MIddle East. The Samurai was locked and stuck on their island for along time of isolation. So in other words lacked the experience to fight other groups of warriors. Even when Japan got guns or firearms from the Portuguese in the mid 1500s, they still could not beat and lost to Korea and China in a large scale war in the late 1500s. So in the end the Samurai will lose due to Knight's plate armor anyways. And had no weapons to defeat the Knight's plate armor.
It looks like you made one of the samurai after Honda Tadakatsu. The one in black and with horns.
Knights in early Middle Ages were quite different from those in late Middle Ages. The same can be said about Samurai.
Earlier Samurai were armored horse archers. At the end of the Sengoku Era, more and more (1/3 or more) used guns as the main weapon.
I've always found it so fascinating how quickly japan shifted from a feudal system to a modern government and military
So you take away the samurais most used weapon, the yumi bow
And a knights shield. He just throws it away.
@@Nimori Knights in full plate armor wouldn't use shields. If anything, the equivalent to the yumi for the medieval knight would be his lance. Or in the case of a duel on foot like this probably a poleaxe. But the entire equipment in this video is a joke anyway.
A yumi wouldn't even scrape medieval plate
My request is Alexander the Great and his Macedonian Army (those who have entered the Persian Empire) vs Hannibal Barca and his Carthaginian Army and the mercenaries in a pitched battle in an open flat battlefield.
Open flat battlefield Alexander is 100% winning
@@RoyalRegimentofScotland assuming Hannibal Barca doesn't bait his army into an ambush.
@@Admiral45-10 In an open field thats almost definitely not going to happen
@RoyalRegimentofScotland Hannibal once pulled such a dirty trick against Romans, baiting them to fight while they were cold, hungry and tired. Of course, Alexander was a skilled commander and it's not that likely he would take the bait - but if he were to, he could have a chance.
Lol No Execution Crowd goes crazy 😡😂 8:29
Samurai looks cooler but knight wins 100%
7:35 Standing here, I realize
“I’ve been looking forward to this” Star Wars revenge of the Sith
bro bringing back a 30-years old worth argument
Please do more resarch especially on the arms and armor of both the japanese and especially the europeans before you make a video like this. Seeing the inaccurate bashford 14th century harness being used with a 16th century zweihänder and a oversized heatershield made me nearly cry.
Can't listen to this guys voice. The other guys better
Simple history you gotta make a comeback
The reason the samurai lost the hand to hand is because he didn't equip any swords
99% of the time both fought on horseback. Not mentioning the HUGE advantage European horses had over Japanese Kiso horses is disingenuous. If u don't believe me, just ask the Japanese Army - they literally castrated every Japanese horse in the country and replaced them with European horses as part of the Meiji Era military reforms. Clearly they acknowledged the superiority of European horses in combat
However a Jedi or Sith would kick both of their arses
I guess I'm no longer this channels target audience...
Fortunately there's still history TH-camrs to follow, though they're a rare breed.
This seems like an episode of For Honor.
Short answer the knight their swords and armor was far better
Metatron should review this video.
He would cry so much - and then shred this bs completely to pieces!
You forgot one thing: Samurai's are short asf
Interesting, but I think if they both fought un-armored, that the Samurai would win
very incorrect
Knights Templar vs Samurai would be awesome to watch.
Italian style Knight wears his shield not correctly and carries his Zweihander with only one hand.
My god was this special.
There is ONE medieval european armor in this. The rest is from the 16th century.
the Samurai DODGES a lance blow becasue his helmet is open.
The knights armor is havier than the Samurais.
the list goes on. please do ANY research before such a video.
Definitely the knight. Knights actually fought while vast majority of the samurai's wore their swords as an ornament.
this is so cool, Love this style of videos!!!!
Seriously? This video is the biggest collection of exemplary nonsense and misinformation I've seen for a long, long time.
Sounds like Legion and Herald against each others
though do projects revolving around samurai stuff but i don't really do any research on the weapons and what i don't get is that some weebs out there would actually think that samurai would win just bc theyre cool to them.
to me the look is enough to tell that a thin sword made for slicing wouldn't penetrate a thick pure steel fully armored man
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The samurai weapon is actually just as good as the knights weapon in terms of sharpness and strength. Tho samurai weapons tend to be more brittle and will more likely to break in a full strength slash against something really solid. Anything can be made sharp but it's all about how well it holds up. Anything can be razor sharp such as a razor.
>just as good in terms of strength
>more brittle
Choose one
Nice! Simple History is making its own Deadliest Warrior Series 😄
Yyyyeeeeeaaaahhhhhh samurai’s have no chance