I look forward to the day where Behringer releases The Atom, where it’s one of those foldable Eurorack cases with a Proton, a Neutron, and when they eventually release the Electron. Haha
The hidden shortcuts need to be labeled on the panel!! Why not? The best thing about the secret button combos on the neutron, after two years of not remembering them, was buying a third party panel cover with the shortcuts clearly labeled. Without this you really need to use the computer software to change these settings via USB or have them written down next to the synth in a way that's quick to understand visually.
Screen-less describe 90% of synths and too many dont even have "secret panels". I understand remembering sucks but Oversynth will probably make a secret menu overlay and yes, Behringer should've make an overlay with all this useful stuff.
Worth watching the whole video to see the boot cycle run, glad I stuck around. Can't wait to get one of these and patch it just to make the LEDs go in circles.
One of the reasons I buy hardware with lots of knobs and no presets is so that everything is immediately available, I don't have to remember how to access anything, and just looking at the panel is enough to understand the entire program. I'd rather have limitations than hidden features. And you can say that I could just ignore these hidden settings, but what I have always found in the past is that the hidden settings somehow end up getting changed-likely because I accidentally did the magic sequence that I didn't know would change it-and then it takes me forever to figure out what it is and how to fix it. That said, I'm happy to say that the Proton isn't for me but for people who are OK with this. I just want to be sure you hear that you need to keep products in the line-up that don't have such hidden features if you do want to keep selling things to me.
I actually like that all of the features are there, but I'm also a Nymphes owner and hoo boy with how much people complained about the relatively benign zero-display "menu-diving" on that one, good luck Behringer.
I also don't get these 'hold the button while hopping on your left foot twice then release while wiggling your right pinky' kind of controls. Please give us an actual menu for menu diving, or at least have the decency to give us a dedicated 'shift' button! (To be fair, many of the things here seem to be set and forget, but still!) Strangely these kind of 'hidden features' are ubiquitous with (digital) Eurorack and guitar pedals, where you are dealing with multiple devices and multiple manufacturers by definition. I have seen people ditch entire setups when the mental gymnastics of recalling a different routine for the same function on every device finally got to them.
I think its fair they put these features in a hidden menu. There is going to be a form factor and price target requirement when they plan a new synth. In this case to be the same size as the Neutron to fit into a eurorack case and not cost too much. They could make a larger form factor product to move all those things to buttons and knobs. But then it will cost a lot more and be significantly larger. It's already a lot of functionality right there on the panel as is. The only features that require this kind of set up are the ones that you set while finding your sound. Not ones that you want to be fiddling with while your playing your sound. It would be nice to have all that on the front panel but I cant fault them for how theyve done it here. If you can find the synth that does all this, fits in a eurorack case, has no menus and cost under $500 then please tell us where to find it.
@@amindamok That is why I made these points: (1) I'm happy with fewer features if it means fewer hidden features/surprises. (2) I'm not complaining about this product. I just want to warn them away from the trap of making every product like this.
@@RobertFisher1969 Agreed. This video has really made me question whether I want one, after all. I don't use the same synths all the time, so I'd be looking through the manual for this stuff. Bass Station II owners sometime print out a cheat sheet and keep it near it, or tape it on. That's really not for me - I bought one and I really dislike it, at least partly for that reason. A small display and a clicky encoder to change these things, is fine. You just know each time you make a change it's another life off the Flash memory chip too.
Cool work, its a hard work to get so much synth into a box with not too much knobs and buttons... Congratulations to your interface-programmers. A question: When changing the mode for stepped waveform-choose or smooth change between waveforms for VCOs or LFO, will this also be used when changing the waveforms via a modulation source?
A sub oscillator with a variable wave shape feature ?!?! A drone mode on the VCOs?! This synth just got A LOT more attractive, and that is saying something as it already was high on my list of must have synth tools. I am wondering where the S/H went vs the Neutron especially with the slew function, and if there was any way to get that sort of functionality, and if the filters still overdrive well, but otherwise this is a very satisfactory feature set
U have to set the LFO wave to smooth and then controlling it from another mod source like lfo2 or an env, this way the lfo shape will change continuously like a sort of S&H, I say 'a sort' because its typical stepping will happen just when square is entering or exiting but in general the result will be similar to the pure S&H but more like the smooth version found on many VSTs, so also here u get a sort of slew... (sorry for my bad English)
Just read the description box, it's all categorized like a helpful manual, just click the time stamp and it will go to that section of the video. Ok I've done my 'help a boomer' deed for the day lol
Thank you for these explanations. As your video is about "secret panel", could you please tell us where we can find the Sample and Hold module (which is present in the Neutron). Thanks.
This synth has 68 knobs and direct controls, which sounds impressive, but it quickly turns into a nightmare. You need to memorize a ton of specific shortcuts and push everything in the right order to achieve the effects you want. It’s like trying to solve a complex puzzle every time you use it. You’d think using a DAW would make things easier, but nope-it’s limited to just a few buttons, so you can’t even arrange a virtual control board to simplify the process. You have all this capability, but you need a ton of time to program it properly, and you can’t even recreate your work easily. And with Proton it’s even worse-you can’t just take a photo and retweak the knobs because they have multiple functions! It’s a powerful machine, but operating it feels like more of a burden than a creative process.
you can change all these settings in the app if you want, easy peasy. I like having it onboard too though so I dont have to disconnect the usb midi connection from my daw to use the app.
oversynth will have you covered and with secret menu written in... which Behringer shouldve done from the beginning like their new K2 mk2, from yellow (why?) to normal white over black. I think it'll sell synths to see there is even more functionality... or just add a cardboard overlay like Moog does.
@@bojangprodoktschns5428 I suppose that's why no one is really doing it, but I'd be interested in seeing more videos from Behringer, since they have a pile of them laying around.
This synthesizer is like taking a golf cart and upgrading it with a supercharged engine, high-performance tires, and advanced brakes-everything you need for an incredible ride. But there’s a catch: the steering wheel is in the trunk, and the pedals are hidden under the seat. Sure, it sounds amazing and offers tons of functionality, but it's nearly impossible to actually use. And to top it off, you can’t even save your settings! It’s got all the potential in the world, but the execution is frustratingly impractical.
Awwww, I really thought there was going to be a hidden key that unlocked the top and exposed a whole second layer of functionality.
To be honest - Proton for me is the most interesting/exciting synth of 2024.
I look forward to the day where Behringer releases The Atom, where it’s one of those foldable Eurorack cases with a Proton, a Neutron, and when they eventually release the Electron. Haha
The hidden shortcuts need to be labeled on the panel!! Why not?
The best thing about the secret button combos on the neutron, after two years of not remembering them, was buying a third party panel cover with the shortcuts clearly labeled.
Without this you really need to use the computer software to change these settings via USB or have them written down next to the synth in a way that's quick to understand visually.
even though "secret panel" is a cute way of selling "screen-less menu diving", i appreciate the effort at visual feedback 😂
I almost said the same thing. Screenless sub-menu diving ain't fun.
Screen-less describe 90% of synths and too many dont even have "secret panels". I understand remembering sucks but Oversynth will probably make a secret menu overlay and yes, Behringer should've make an overlay with all this useful stuff.
I really wish Behringer would integrate android/iOS integration into their synths or something similar to for better control..
not today satan
Worth watching the whole video to see the boot cycle run, glad I stuck around. Can't wait to get one of these and patch it just to make the LEDs go in circles.
This a heavy synth. I’m feeling that split point function.
One of the reasons I buy hardware with lots of knobs and no presets is so that everything is immediately available, I don't have to remember how to access anything, and just looking at the panel is enough to understand the entire program. I'd rather have limitations than hidden features. And you can say that I could just ignore these hidden settings, but what I have always found in the past is that the hidden settings somehow end up getting changed-likely because I accidentally did the magic sequence that I didn't know would change it-and then it takes me forever to figure out what it is and how to fix it. That said, I'm happy to say that the Proton isn't for me but for people who are OK with this. I just want to be sure you hear that you need to keep products in the line-up that don't have such hidden features if you do want to keep selling things to me.
I actually like that all of the features are there, but I'm also a Nymphes owner and hoo boy with how much people complained about the relatively benign zero-display "menu-diving" on that one, good luck Behringer.
I also don't get these 'hold the button while hopping on your left foot twice then release while wiggling your right pinky' kind of controls.
Please give us an actual menu for menu diving, or at least have the decency to give us a dedicated 'shift' button!
(To be fair, many of the things here seem to be set and forget, but still!)
Strangely these kind of 'hidden features' are ubiquitous with (digital) Eurorack and guitar pedals, where you are dealing with multiple devices and multiple manufacturers by definition.
I have seen people ditch entire setups when the mental gymnastics of recalling a different routine for the same function on every device finally got to them.
I think its fair they put these features in a hidden menu. There is going to be a form factor and price target requirement when they plan a new synth. In this case to be the same size as the Neutron to fit into a eurorack case and not cost too much. They could make a larger form factor product to move all those things to buttons and knobs. But then it will cost a lot more and be significantly larger. It's already a lot of functionality right there on the panel as is. The only features that require this kind of set up are the ones that you set while finding your sound. Not ones that you want to be fiddling with while your playing your sound. It would be nice to have all that on the front panel but I cant fault them for how theyve done it here. If you can find the synth that does all this, fits in a eurorack case, has no menus and cost under $500 then please tell us where to find it.
@@amindamok That is why I made these points: (1) I'm happy with fewer features if it means fewer hidden features/surprises. (2) I'm not complaining about this product. I just want to warn them away from the trap of making every product like this.
@@RobertFisher1969 Agreed. This video has really made me question whether I want one, after all. I don't use the same synths all the time, so I'd be looking through the manual for this stuff. Bass Station II owners sometime print out a cheat sheet and keep it near it, or tape it on. That's really not for me - I bought one and I really dislike it, at least partly for that reason. A small display and a clicky encoder to change these things, is fine. You just know each time you make a change it's another life off the Flash memory chip too.
The more I learn about this thing the more I love it. Beautiful look, beautiful sound. Well done boys.
What are the model of VCOs used in this? Why there’s no data about the model of the VCOs anywhere? Are they 3340s like Neutron and Crave?
i was thinking about buying a pro 800 for my next behringer synth but this is a no brainer for my set up!
Different synths for different uses but having both, I think the pro 800 is a much better deal!
@@reaktiv1408 thing is i have nutron ill probably get the pro 800 at some point though..
MAKE THE ENIGMA
now you're talkin'!
Enigma nutz
Enigma makes the Proton look really rudimentary
I hope they put in a little more development time. Even if it's just to bore you a little more
That LFO key tracking demo sounds really nice.
YES
Sounds gorgeous, if only it could save patches..
Cool work, its a hard work to get so much synth into a box with not too much knobs and buttons... Congratulations to your interface-programmers. A question:
When changing the mode for stepped waveform-choose or smooth change between waveforms for VCOs or LFO, will this also be used when changing the waveforms via a modulation source?
yes
A sub oscillator with a variable wave shape feature ?!?!
A drone mode on the VCOs?!
This synth just got A LOT more attractive, and that is saying something as it already was high on my list of must have synth tools.
I am wondering where the S/H went vs the Neutron especially with the slew function, and if there was any way to get that sort of functionality, and if the filters still overdrive well, but otherwise this is a very satisfactory feature set
U have to set the LFO wave to smooth and then controlling it from another mod source like lfo2 or an env, this way the lfo shape will change continuously like a sort of S&H, I say 'a sort' because its typical stepping will happen just when square is entering or exiting but in general the result will be similar to the pure S&H but more like the smooth version found on many VSTs, so also here u get a sort of slew... (sorry for my bad English)
Cool. My Neutron still gets lots of love. I can't say for certain that this is on my short list, but if it fell into my lap, I would not complain...
Looks sweet, I'm getting one 😁👍
magic machine....this💚
Whys the panel art gotta look like a middleschool science textbook tho
That is so accurate. Behringer stuff usually looks like a 60 year old man designed them.
I think it’s supposed to be an 80’s retro style thing. The splash of darker blue for the zoomed in atomic symbol is over the top though.
@@benbauer1065 You obviously know very little about men in their 60's.
After market custom panels are bound to appear at some point.
"You obviously know very little about men in their 60's."
That's a good thing though.
neutron + proton will be incredible
Indeed... I can’t wait to get a Proton to pair with my Neutron.
But it is the same sound?
Really cool. But how do you expect us happy hippies from beyond a certain age to remember all of this?
Just read the description box, it's all categorized like a helpful manual, just click the time stamp and it will go to that section of the video. Ok I've done my 'help a boomer' deed for the day lol
Buy 2 of them. You keep different settings. I already do that with my 2 neutrons
Buy at least 4 of them.
@@rybakarol LOL
It's not a synth! It's a calculator without memory! Does it have secret synthrx matrix included by any chance?
Hey @Behringer, how about giving some love to the Model 15 and making a video with patch ideas and stuff?
Cause they know it's going to sell well
That’s a sexy looking synth. The first one for behringer perhaps
Thank you for these explanations. As your video is about "secret panel", could you please tell us where we can find the Sample and Hold module (which is present in the Neutron). Thanks.
Haha excellent try 🎉😂
What does recalibrating the synth do?
Hooray!!
This synth has 68 knobs and direct controls, which sounds impressive, but it quickly turns into a nightmare. You need to memorize a ton of specific shortcuts and push everything in the right order to achieve the effects you want. It’s like trying to solve a complex puzzle every time you use it. You’d think using a DAW would make things easier, but nope-it’s limited to just a few buttons, so you can’t even arrange a virtual control board to simplify the process. You have all this capability, but you need a ton of time to program it properly, and you can’t even recreate your work easily. And with Proton it’s even worse-you can’t just take a photo and retweak the knobs because they have multiple functions! It’s a powerful machine, but operating it feels like more of a burden than a creative process.
Welcome to analog synthesizers
so buy a digi synth! or use a VST plugin....
you can change all these settings in the app if you want, easy peasy. I like having it onboard too though so I dont have to disconnect the usb midi connection from my daw to use the app.
Reminds me of my SP-404mk2. It's like using a puzzle.
The manual includes a table (page 24) with all these combos presented in a much clearer and easier to remember form than the video.
Havent hit the buy button yet, close thou! But, if you change all this parameters shown in the video, how to reset every parameter easilly?
Yadda yadda. When are you going to ship the synths?
You can buy it from Thomann now.
I hope skins will be made, because i don’t like the blue Proton, i want green and it will be better suited to the standard red Neutron////
I don't mind the colour(s) as such, but the design using the different shades of blue is very distracting. Single-coloured would be good.
I lile the blue.
Just wear yellow shaded glasses and it will look green.
oversynth will have you covered and with secret menu written in... which Behringer shouldve done from the beginning like their new K2 mk2, from yellow (why?) to normal white over black. I think it'll sell synths to see there is even more functionality... or just add a cardboard overlay like Moog does.
So ready for this!
0:44 App??? How does an analog synthesizer utilize an app???
USB connection, they all have them, to change certain modes and settings.
Too similar to the Neutron. Double filters cool, waveshaper cool, but not enough to upgrade. Add a wavetable oscillator and I buy it in a second 😀
That's not very analogue
@@jenstrudenau9134 Behringer has - how many, about a dozen? - pure analog monos with 2 oscillators out there, I could do with a single hybrid.
can you midi chain with neutron to get a 4 voice synth?
yeah, you can poly chain any behringer synths together
Cool synth but wtf do you mean 'secret panel'? These are just function commands.
Can you make a 8 or 16 voices version of this synth in rack format like the UBXA Desktop?
4:04 MIKE DEAN STYLE…….❤️🔥
Just one question: When can I actually buy one?
Is there external fx being used?
at 4:10 it says he's using a delay, but I think it's mostly dry throughout the video
Linn Drum please
Lyden af Proton-synthesizeren er meget flot og ru.
Cant wait!
It’s on the way… I hope I get it this week. :)
You should make one of these as eight times bigger with 10 times more knobs
No one ever seems to upload videos of Behringer synths in polychain. Would love to see that.
Sure you can polychain the synths, but it's really no fun dialing in a patch x times
@@bojangprodoktschns5428 I suppose that's why no one is really doing it, but I'd be interested in seeing more videos from Behringer, since they have a pile of them laying around.
Coming soon: Ulidromeda
Vamos que me lo voy a comprar
Should I buy this or the moog labyrinth?
THATS TOO DIFFICULT TO REMEMBER!!!!!!!!!
thats why they put time stamps and an index in the description box......duhh
"PARPHONIC" misses 2nd A.
PARPA-HONIC!
@@donerskine7935 PARPHONIAC
@@donerskine7935 PARPHONICA.
@@gudrunegert7886 Secret parps. We've all done it.
@@donerskine7935 😎😉
This synthesizer is like taking a golf cart and upgrading it with a supercharged engine, high-performance tires, and advanced brakes-everything you need for an incredible ride. But there’s a catch: the steering wheel is in the trunk, and the pedals are hidden under the seat. Sure, it sounds amazing and offers tons of functionality, but it's nearly impossible to actually use. And to top it off, you can’t even save your settings! It’s got all the potential in the world, but the execution is frustratingly impractical.
Bro, it's a semi-modular, not a blumming vst synthesizer to scroll through endless presets. Having presets on a semi modular is impractical.
Dude, it’s “modular” for a reason. If you want a synth with presets, buy the UB-Xa or something.
@@SamLibmanor a matrixbrute, way more innovative. I miss mine, won't keep my proton for long...
Behringer electron when?😂
3:52 sounds pretty sick ❤
What a living beast !
But I do prefer my Neutron...
Not a Proton, a wedding of two Neutrons is the best...
My Neutron just started acting up so maybe it's time to grab a Proton to replace it.
i'm just want can use all 4 voice in parafoni mode. make it please . it will become first synth in my price-list
Behringer illuminati confirmed ?!?!
Ce este asta?
I just looked at the price. $450.00!!!
Behringer probe
sweet
Very impressive Synthesizer!
Now to create a Poly version with internal mod matrix, a digital OSC and presets :)
SWING!
I take it there’s no saving patches.
You take correctly. The really big clue is the fact it has a "patch bay".
Secret? Not for long.
Drone mode: how cool!
The LFO key tracking was fun!
So it just a Neutron on a steroids ?
Same sound engine ?
... on steroids. We do not preface a plural with a in English!
Guess who has two thumbs and is buying this
This plastic knobs ..
DAMMIT, Uli! JUST TAKE MY MONEY!!!!! GIMMEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
I dont believe it until i get my own version
Wow the proton rocks
Sounds really amazing... but why did make such a terrible design ? .... it looks confuse and a bit ugly....
Oh my 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
As nice as this is, we need SPICE!
We do, but it seems we will have to just keep on waiting.
Quite spicy and based
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