You are one of the best products reviewers on TH-cam. Thorough and articulate. The music examples show the true nature of the products you review. The in and outs of the instruments interfacing and their use help us out in buying decisions. Thank you so much. I just found your channel btw.
Great demonstration of a nice sounding synth. Shame about the plastic shafted pots, etc, but this is what you have to put up with if you want affordable synths. Fine in the studio, maybe not so much on the road, but I'm pushing 60 now and that's not so much of an issue for me 😁 Thanks for posting this. I might grab one of these!
I was a keyboard tech for 40 years, mostly on the digital era synths. What I absolutely hated when I owned all my analog synths was the tuning drifting all over, the lack of polyphony, and the lack of velocity sensitivity. It is my understanding that Behringer is essentially making all these new remakes with the identical circuits, just with smaller surface mount components and modern construction and manufacturing. So I am assuming they still have the tuning stability problems? It will be interesting as to how long it takes for the new younger generation discovering analog synthesis before they get fed up with its shortcomings and fairly bleak sound.
@@tommyg5095 Every Beh synth I bought was a pos. Model D, Wasp, Pro One, Odyssey, Deep Mind, various other things. They look like playschool toys, feel like recycled Happy Meal toys, and work like garbage. They're dirt cheap so it's always tempting. Buy them used and don't support that terrible company.
@@tommyg5095 Model D, Pro One, Wasp were the worst of the ones I owned. If you don't mind the playschool look and happy meal toy feel of them or any of the many problems with the functions, and you're going to buy Beh synths, get them used so you're not supporting the company. They go on the used market weeks after coming out because so many people are disappointed with the quality so just wait a little, save some money, and don't support the company. Or better yet, buy something better.
You get what you pay for, there is no shortcut when it comes to quality. Ethically is it good to buy products that may not be able to be serviced and could just end up as trash?
I had one of these on order. But then the Muse suddenly was anounced, so I ordered one of those instead. I might still get this later though.. seems like a fun lil synth!
Ive never really been that into Moog - I prefer the ARP sound and design - but the Muse does interest me strangely. I do wonder about their pricing. £2999 for an 8 voice, bi-timbral poly synth against £5000 for a mono synth.
@@TheDavidPoole Right, that's a big discrepancy isn't it? The thing about the Minimoog is that it's a legendary synth, so you pay a legendary price for it. As long as people buy it for that price (which apparently they do), the price won't change. Muse apparently is Moog's attempt to be competetive and shift bigger numbers. And it works. they can't make enough of them to meet the demand :) Earlier this week Andertons still had 5 of them in stock, those are all gone now.
Depends how it was implemented. If the clocking curve is digitally controlled, it can be fixed. If it is a true analog repro of the original circuits, it can’t. There has to be a digital processor in there, as it can do MIDI. It depends on how they used digital control.
Thank you for posting this. I bought a MS-5 and found out there’s not much of a manual. I will look online for the Roland SH 5 manual, thanks for that tip. Any idea where i can find sound setting examples? I am quite new to synthesizers and i hope someone can help me out.
Recommend checking out the Mathew Johnson SH-5 video on here as well (if you haven't already), it's a good intro and all the way at the end is a great tip for how to sequence with slow LFO modulation.
The LFO-2 rate slider responds normally on mine, LFO-1 rate & S+H sample time misbehave as shown here. There are two calibration screws on the back for LFO-1 and one for S+H (none for LFO-2), haven't been brave enough to test whether altering those calibration options affects the rate/time slider responses.
I bought one of these but i know nothing about synthesis and i can't even get any sound out if. I've flipped every switch, turned every knob and pushed every slider. I feel so stupid.
@@helpmeiaminhell Be very systematic, see if you forgot something, something loose or a wrong connected or a damaged cable. If the synth isn’t broken, you will solve it. See if the oscillator/volume/cutoff is max.
SENT MINE BACK , felt cheap , wobbly knobs , octave bleed through when selected on knobs , midi not reliable unless a short short cable is used plastic shafts !! i got a pro3 instead .
@@RJJNY yep , just want people to realise that prtending to get a vintage synth is brainless when compared to what that money gets you in a newer instrument , but if you need THAT exact Roland synth and cant get one , then the MS5 exists if you want one and have room for another monosynth that does only that .
SENT MINE BACK , felt cheap , wobbly knobs , octave bleed through when selected on knobs , midi not reliable unless a short short cable is used, also plastic shafts !!whats up with that wobble ! i got a pro3 instead , arriving soon . hoping for these vintage synths to be as good as the new stuff (patch memory , midi for EVERY knob movement etc ) is about as useful as a prayer .
@theboofin i got a pro 3 se imstead , the MS5 has MANY failiures , Your comment is imbecilic , of course it is NOT vintage , and i build synths , i do know how they work . Stop with the insults .
The user interface is what drives most of nowaday's synthesizers unit cost. Paying little for hardware and get Moog-level built quality simply isn't possible.
yes. that´s true. i think people would be willing to pay a little more for quality. in this case, 799 for a calibrated device with quality components would certainly be welcome. however, i can't judge whether this is feasible or not. i don't know anything about it
Now, if this was manufactured with better components, instead of the cheapest possible, then maybe I would consider this. I'm not supporting the throw away consumer market mentality.
i agree. the people would be willing to spend more money if the quality was more trustworthy. but at the moment the MS-5 works fine, but it´s only 3 months old
@@knobsswitches If spending a few extra bucks meant getting quality to the end user, then why not? The cost is always passed on, and I could live with that.
@@tommyg5095Yeah it’s worrying that so much Behringer gear will just be thrown away in 10 years when something dies and it’s not worth fixing. Have owned a ton of vintage gear since the 80s, including Jupiters and all kinds of stuff, and i don’t own any of it anymore because i got tired of bringing it in to be fixed. It really woke me up to the reality of how time can take a toll on your gear. Now i own a few high quality pieces which sound much better anyway, which not only will last longer before needing service, they’ll also be worth servicing, and are built to be serviceable.
You put a lot of work into this, THANK YOU!
@@BishopEddie5443 my pleasure!
I like your style. Makes it feel like I’m in school again. You give me that cool prof vibe that all the kids like. 😅 👍🏼
Thanks a lot! i give you a A+ 🙂
You are one of the best products reviewers on TH-cam.
Thorough and articulate.
The music examples show the true nature of the products you review.
The in and outs of the instruments interfacing and their use help us out in buying decisions. Thank you so much. I just found your channel btw.
Thanky vou very much. That means a lot to me!
Great review! Thanks for the thorough explanations. I particularly appreciated you demonstrating the synth with some really cool sequences.
@@marcmistermarc thanks a lot! That’s really kind of you
Great review and like the Chris and Cosey T-Shirt.
@@regplasma7906 thanks a lot!
Love your music !
@@magnustorque5528 thanks a lot! I’m flattered
@@knobsswitchesYeah your demo jams are really cool, especially liked the trans europe express-like chord build. 👌 new sub!
@@sub-jec-tiv thanks a lot. New subs are very welcome 🤗
Sounds like an Alex Ball demo tune and those are the best on TH-cam! Awesome! 💯
@@Flat8G That's very friendly and almost like a knighthood :-) thank you very much!
thx for your time and efford....some questions solved and i think i`ll try this one too.
Great demonstration of a nice sounding synth. Shame about the plastic shafted pots, etc, but this is what you have to put up with if you want affordable synths. Fine in the studio, maybe not so much on the road, but I'm pushing 60 now and that's not so much of an issue for me 😁
Thanks for posting this. I might grab one of these!
Similar age and perspective here, the upside is that it really does sound great.
Nicest synth they've released in some time.
yes, i agree
great breakdown, and great music...my kind of music!
Thanks a lot. I´m flattered!
I think this video will have people rushing out to buy an MS5 !!!.
BRAVO !
Thanks a lot! But that was not my intention. I only wants to show what´s possible
@@knobsswitches you have shown how modular this synth can be... best video I have seen on any synth.
✌️
@@gixerags750 Wow, ihm flattered. Thank you very much!
@@knobsswitches I thought your first SH5 comparison was hard to beat , but you did it.
✌️ 🇦🇺 🪃
Goal accompliced then👍
And of course with the Chris And Cosey love and lust t shirt 👍
yes, it belongs to the MS-5. but i'm looking forward to wearing a different shirt soon 🙂
Enorme 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@jfphotoandlife8287 thanks a lot!
I was a keyboard tech for 40 years, mostly on the digital era synths. What I absolutely hated when I owned all my analog synths was the tuning drifting all over, the lack of polyphony, and the lack of velocity sensitivity. It is my understanding that Behringer is essentially making all these new remakes with the identical circuits, just with smaller surface mount components and modern construction and manufacturing. So I am assuming they still have the tuning stability problems? It will be interesting as to how long it takes for the new younger generation discovering analog synthesis before they get fed up with its shortcomings and fairly bleak sound.
I've had several Beh synths and the tuning is far worse than any vintage synth I have ever had.
@@keyboardtek I have not had any tuning problems so far. Neither with the MS-5 nor with the Mono/Poly
@@VincentPresleyI'm curious as to which Behringer synths had the problems you stated. Please share.
@@tommyg5095 Every Beh synth I bought was a pos. Model D, Wasp, Pro One, Odyssey, Deep Mind, various other things. They look like playschool toys, feel like recycled Happy Meal toys, and work like garbage. They're dirt cheap so it's always tempting. Buy them used and don't support that terrible company.
@@tommyg5095 Model D, Pro One, Wasp were the worst of the ones I owned. If you don't mind the playschool look and happy meal toy feel of them or any of the many problems with the functions, and you're going to buy Beh synths, get them used so you're not supporting the company. They go on the used market weeks after coming out because so many people are disappointed with the quality so just wait a little, save some money, and don't support the company. Or better yet, buy something better.
You get what you pay for, there is no shortcut when it comes to quality. Ethically is it good to buy products that may not be able to be serviced and could just end up as trash?
I had one of these on order. But then the Muse suddenly was anounced, so I ordered one of those instead. I might still get this later though.. seems like a fun lil synth!
Same for me. Totally different beasts though.
@@RayyMusik They are indeed! But glad to have the Muse, it's an awesome synth!
Congrats. The MUSE is probably much more fun 🙂
Ive never really been that into Moog - I prefer the ARP sound and design - but the Muse does interest me strangely. I do wonder about their pricing. £2999 for an 8 voice, bi-timbral poly synth against £5000 for a mono synth.
@@TheDavidPoole Right, that's a big discrepancy isn't it? The thing about the Minimoog is that it's a legendary synth, so you pay a legendary price for it. As long as people buy it for that price (which apparently they do), the price won't change.
Muse apparently is Moog's attempt to be competetive and shift bigger numbers. And it works. they can't make enough of them to meet the demand :) Earlier this week Andertons still had 5 of them in stock, those are all gone now.
Great review, you have me concerned with the build quality though! Only time will tell I guess.
yes. at the moment everything is working apart from the loose pin ;-)
Behringers are made to last 5-7 years i guess, not repairable or ( like with the old stuff) durable
The LFO and S&H frequencies can surely be dealt with by a firmware update, if enough people complain about it
that would be brilliant!
It’s a hardware problem, soldering is required plus some parts to get it fixed, no softwareupgrade can fix that …
Poor quality control
Depends how it was implemented. If the clocking curve is digitally controlled, it can be fixed. If it is a true analog repro of the original circuits, it can’t. There has to be a digital processor in there, as it can do MIDI. It depends on how they used digital control.
Thank you for posting this. I bought a MS-5 and found out there’s not much of a manual. I will look online for the Roland SH 5 manual, thanks for that tip. Any idea where i can find sound setting examples? I am quite new to synthesizers and i hope someone can help me out.
In the Roland Manual there are some sound sheets. may start with them
Recommend checking out the Mathew Johnson SH-5 video on here as well (if you haven't already), it's a good intro and all the way at the end is a great tip for how to sequence with slow LFO modulation.
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Looks they mixed up linear and logarithmic pots at the lfos
yes, seems to be
Wrong transistor/chip, too great tolerance…
The LFO-2 rate slider responds normally on mine, LFO-1 rate & S+H sample time misbehave as shown here. There are two calibration screws on the back for LFO-1 and one for S+H (none for LFO-2), haven't been brave enough to test whether altering those calibration options affects the rate/time slider responses.
Great vid, mate! Can I ask you about the fantastic twisted cables and where to find it? 🙏🙏🙏
Yes, of course. that´s Candycords from MyVolts: myvolts.de/CandyCords
Do you like the MS5 or Monopoly better ?
😊
@@gixerags750 the MS-5 is my fav!
@knobsswitches sweet 😋..I love those 8bit type video game sounds it creates, still want a MonoPoly soon.
@@gixerags750 is good one too
@@gixerags750 is a good synth too
i'm so glad behringer is here to have a piss on this long-time over-valued market. kudos.
Wo hast du die Audio Kabel gekauft? Z. B. das blaue Y.
@@randydarklight myvolts.com/CandyCords/?a=kas
What cables with the little LEDs are?
@@HazardousTube he patchcables are the MyVolts Halos:
myvolts.com/Halo/?a=kas
Looks a bit flimsy, the knobs especially have a lot of wobble when turning them ?
yes, they could be better :-)
It’s a Behringer (TM)
If they used better knobs, it’d cost more and then Espen Kraft would start accusing them of ‘scamming.’ 😂
What was the name of the second artist that used the Roland SH-5? I can't seem to find them.
Deine Lakaien: th-cam.com/video/xKZ0RBrKetQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7sfF6D1Ya-0tI5Y0
Damn.. @bobeats is much older since i saw his last episode
Ha Ha, i don´t think so ;-)
I bought one of these but i know nothing about synthesis and i can't even get any sound out if. I've flipped every switch, turned every knob and pushed every slider. I feel so stupid.
Did you solve it?
@@P-S-T no
@@helpmeiaminhell Be very systematic, see if you forgot something, something loose or a wrong connected or a damaged cable. If the synth isn’t broken, you will solve it. See if the oscillator/volume/cutoff is max.
SENT MINE BACK , felt cheap , wobbly knobs , octave bleed through when selected on knobs , midi not reliable unless a short short cable is used plastic shafts !! i got a pro3 instead .
i can understand that
You've left the same comment on every MS-5 video I've run across. Twice on this one.
@RJJNY what's the bet he ends up buying another one .. !
@@gixerags750 got me a PRO3 this morning ! nice .
@@RJJNY yep , just want people to realise that prtending to get a vintage synth is brainless when compared to what that money gets you in a newer instrument , but if you need THAT exact Roland synth and cant get one , then the MS5 exists if you want one and have room for another monosynth that does only that .
Seems to have some design problems like the MS1 mk2
It´s more a quality issue
SENT MINE BACK , felt cheap , wobbly knobs , octave bleed through when selected on knobs , midi not reliable unless a short short cable is used, also plastic shafts !!whats up with that wobble ! i got a pro3 instead , arriving soon . hoping for these vintage synths to be as good as the new stuff (patch memory , midi for EVERY knob movement etc ) is about as useful as a prayer .
@theboofin i got a pro 3 se imstead , the MS5 has MANY failiures , Your comment is imbecilic , of course it is NOT vintage , and i build synths , i do know how they work . Stop with the insults .
@theboofin they are now selling the MS5 on eBay for 360 pounds . . . . AND I STILL WOULD NOT BUY IT . , But enjoy yours !!
The user interface is what drives most of nowaday's synthesizers unit cost. Paying little for hardware and get Moog-level built quality simply isn't possible.
yes. that´s true. i think people would be willing to pay a little more for quality. in this case, 799 for a calibrated device with quality components would certainly be welcome. however, i can't judge whether this is feasible or not. i don't know anything about it
Now, if this was manufactured with better components, instead of the cheapest possible, then maybe I would consider this. I'm not supporting the throw away consumer market mentality.
i agree. the people would be willing to spend more money if the quality was more trustworthy. but at the moment the MS-5 works fine, but it´s only 3 months old
@@knobsswitches If spending a few extra bucks meant getting quality to the end user, then why not? The cost is always passed on, and I could live with that.
@@tommyg5095Yeah it’s worrying that so much Behringer gear will just be thrown away in 10 years when something dies and it’s not worth fixing. Have owned a ton of vintage gear since the 80s, including Jupiters and all kinds of stuff, and i don’t own any of it anymore because i got tired of bringing it in to be fixed. It really woke me up to the reality of how time can take a toll on your gear. Now i own a few high quality pieces which sound much better anyway, which not only will last longer before needing service, they’ll also be worth servicing, and are built to be serviceable.