Is metal played on a pipe organ just Bach?
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- Metallica, Necrophagist & Animals as Leaders through a massive, building-sized Pipe Organ
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Well naturally you'll have to play Bach on your 8 string to complete the experiment...
i absolutely second this
Let's get rob to notice this
He did it before: th-cam.com/video/-h7LW3FKjBY/w-d-xo.html
-rip and tear intensifies-
YES
I love how, even though he's hearing it for the first time, he knows exactly which stops to pull out to make it sound better.
HE'S PULLING ALL THE STOPS HERE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
He looks at the laptop and can see what's going to happen and when, so it's not like he's just doing it from memory, he has a something to base the notes on
You tend to get a feeling for that sort of thing after a while. It's like controlling an orchestra: oh, a trumpet on that part would be nice.
or maybe he's an undercover huge fan
There's the laptop to see stuff coming up, but that's a seasoned professional for you.
Blach Metal
This is a underrated comment
Bach Metal kinda sounds good too.
Wanted to like this immediately, but hesitated b/c there were exactly 420 likes already 🤣
Take your like you magnificent bastard
MK Rex I see what you did there
Yes. It sounds exactly like Bach to someone, who never heard Bach.
Tales from Topagraphic Oceans! Amazing album, also yeah I agree
toccata and fugue in d minor same ballpark
Agree. But could sound like some other classic authors. S XIX perhaps
@@pcaridad I don't think so. The first one pedals a lot, but progression is atypical to classical period composers. There's no classical tension-resolution. The second one is carousel music mixed with 13 century catholic church music. The last one sounds like Ravel on crack.
Thank you for posting this comment. I needed it. This video was a hard fail
0:07
Rob : Is it just Bach ?
John : **nervous laughter**
"Here's an experiment I wanted to do. Necrophagist-"
I liked the video here.
Do you know what song he used for that and for animals as keaders?
@@AlexanderTheGreat91 I don't know what song he used for Necrophagist, but the Animals As Leaders' piece is "The Woven Web". :)
@@AlexanderTheGreat91 Necrophagist - Stabwound
Necrophagist one is called ‘Stabwound’
something tells me that rob has not heard much bach before
John is cringing so hard
Wasn't he the singer of Skid Row?
Ya prolly just heard a bit of the toccata. I can see how u could draw the comparison with the metallica
David Gómez I wish everyone could see this comment
Maybe he’s heard enough but understood that people who don’t listen to Classical much would think « Hey, that sounds like Bach? »
Though it doesn’t sound like Bach, I think it’s fair to say that it sometimes sounds sort of baroque because it’s arpeggios on a pipe organ.
First song that was played called.
Stabwound by necrophagist
#2 is One by Metallica, #3 is The Woven Web by Animals as Leaders
@@drmusicmaker
Johann Sebastian Bach - BWV666, Die wohltemperierte Stromgitarre, Etüde n°3 in d-moll "Stichwunde"
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The hero we needed
I’m sure the good Christians who built this church and commissioned the organs were waiting for the day Stabwound by Necrophagist was played lol
Let's just assume that anything played on pipe organ sounds amazing.
Agree
Lil Wayne guitar solo: HOLD MY BEER
The tremolo picking is lost entirely. Organ has very slow attack. Trills come out fine, though
@@janugur2241 in fairness, that didn't sound good on guitar either.
Also check out Animusic's Cathedral Pictures.
As soon as I said, "But what about Animals as Leaders?" Rob said it.
Good to know I'm not alone there 😂
Definitely doesn’t sound like Bach. It sounds like The Abominable Dr Phibes meets The Phantom of the Opera meets a silent movie theater organist who’s had a couple drinks.
Lol
Agreed. I’m sure Erik would’ve enjoyed playing this on his organ
Only a couple? 🤔
Animals As Leaders on a pipe organ sounds like SNES era Final Fantasy (or Chrono Trigger) music.
I’d say sonata of the night or maybe one of the gba games. Def has that castlevania corridor sound.
Dude yes
I need organ covers of their whole discography
Love it. Total Castlevania
Mr. Uematsu's Bach influences are big.
I love the fact that you played Stabwound
Listening to Metal makes me want to play Wii tennis without the wrist strap...................
slow down buckaroo
R/madlad
Woah, calm down
@@charlesnorris9506 never 😏😈🤘🤘🤘
Çağkan Umut Çelik Not original
Should've played some Septicflesh or Fleshgod Apocalypse on it.
YES!!!!!!!!!!
I would really like to see more music played on that organ. That idea alone deserves its own youtubechannel!
I'd subscribe
@@JoshuaSobel Ditto
"kinda sound like Bach" just because played on organ is like saying that i drive like Hamilton because i'm in a car
Use more than 2 IQ points next time you comment?
What? Who's Hamilton?
Stefan Alexander Lungu Lewis Hamilton, 6 time F1 Driver Champion and #1 driver for Mercedes AMG Petronas
pretentious
Stefan Alexander Lungu the ten dollar founding father
Sounds absolutely nothing like Bach lmao
It sounds pretty good tho
Your comment restored my belief in average human hearing ability again
It's just supposed to be a joke! Point is that the organ was basically the most "badass" instrument available in the 18th century and if you would have been the "wild" type of guy then you probably would have been naturally inclined to the instrument. And it also appears like this applied to Bach himself, given that a lot of his most well known organ masterpieces were composed when he was a young adult.
Which then also begs that question as to which type of music Bach would do if he had grown up today? Would he have done postmodern music, movie scores or perhabs expressed his genius in other genres like jazz or rock?
Tocatta and fugue in d minor???
Thanks for not being a snob about it lmao
Bach is much more than loud organ music in a minor key
Kuiper Roerdink Thank you!!!
Kuiper Roerdink
He wrote a lot of pastorals commissioned by the church, along with spring themed wordless poems.
(i like Bach, black metal, B.B. King and Bjork)
I heard One and immediately broke my neck to face my computer
broke my neck as i face my computer oh please god help me
It sounds like Bach if everything played on organ sounds like Bach to you. I've played Bach many many years and it sounds nothing like what her write. Bach like many composers of his time focused on voices and how they could interact with one another to transmit an idea or theme in the best way posible. When I hear your organ renditions of that music all I hear are instruments mushed together.
That's because Necrophagist is literally "instruments mushed together." He's using pretty bad mainstream "technical death metal" examples that don't embody the feeling or complexity of actual underground metal music.
her? thought bach as a man
@@kiyosh1199 his name is Mario Infante. English is probably not his first language.
Im Not an professionel musician, but i've Played some Bach on guitar some time ago. What i can Tell is, despite music theory wasn't that Developed Back than, imo Bach Had much more deepnes Into it than even the most versed Metal compositions.
I ate a mango and some peanut butter bread this morning instead of my usual gas station breakfast sandwich. Although it sat better in my stomach, I still had some slight remorse concerning the pedestrian I hit and ran immediately after. Such is life.
Man I wanted to hear the djent part of the woven web lol
Dyes
I think that was the djent part at the end
The djenty part was at the end but the midi was so confused about how to represent it with actual notes that it just sounded like a droning note.
@@trebmaster with an instrument like organ there's no way you'd be able to separate those notes
Djent on an organ..... you’d have to program the midi to be hitting the notes at an inhuman speed AND still have enough spacing between the notes so it doesn’t sound like one long droning note.
1:11
One is so underrated. Other than the 0000000 riff and the solo, people never talk about the beautiful acoustic work on the song.
Imagine thinking a metallica song is underrated
@@David-wp8ch imagine thinking THIS song of Metallica is underrated lol
The fact that it translates so well to other instruments is a testament to how it's just fundamentally well composed
Basil Schreyer stop being a smartass you know what I meant. The riff is underrated. Happy now.
David Oliveira yeah a Metallica song can be underrated. Fixxxer, the struggle within, damage inc., trapped under ice. Just a couple I think songs that I think deserve more love.
“Isn’t metal just Bach played on guitar?” was my first thought...
Second thought is that I agree with everyone who noted that nothing they played sounds much like any Bach I’ve heard, other than that it’s on an organ.
Lord Bach was metal AF
Metal is just totally unoriginal, as cool and trendy as it might be.
IrokoSalei how? explain how metal is unoriginal when it’s literally the most diverse music genre there is
that's because metal music borrowed a lot from him and baroque music
Bach: Writer of the Art of the Djent
If anyone was metal when it comes to classical composers, it was Beethoven
When you don't know what Bach sounds like "jUsT sTiCk It In ThE oRgAn AnD nOw It'S bAcH"
This sounds like a marvellous instrument. The refurbishments have really made it supercharged. The Animals as Leaders works!
Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture, especially the infamous last few minutes with the canons. Tell me what's not metal about that lol. There were onbiosly no electric guitars or distortion etc in the 17th century, but the attitude a lot of those composers had for their time was extremely iconoclastic. Mozart was pretty much pure "fck you". Some of those pieces still are immensely heavy and dark even now.
Tchaikovsky lived and worked in the mid 19th century ;-P But I totally agree!
I get what you're saying. Although if I hadn't seen "Amadeaus", not sure if I would. Mozart defined 'rockstar' for his time.✌
mozart wrote a song called kiss my ass
We’re all forgetting Beethoven, the ultimate musical edgelord. The entire Eroica symphony is basically metalcore with a massive “fuck you” ending
That’s why Rush used a part of 1812 in 2112.
"One" sounds like a Wii song
th-cam.com/video/UTtCLOe_WF0/w-d-xo.html
@@thalloutboy That's a remarkably ominous link.
1:48 Mr. Scallon. Still the most humble person on the internet. Cheers from Germany!
I'd love to hear a full Animals as Leaders song on organ tbh
Thanks for this rob
Dude, middle section of "Orion"..not sure how bends would work though.
dude imaging playing some slayer or job for a cowboy on that
thank you so much for the full clip
We need more of this please!
As a metalhead I'd say I'm pretty sure that Metal is closer to Classical Music than most would give it credit for :) Still, wondering how well some of those pieces seem to work on organ ^^'
That's why Metallica does collabs with symphonies!
It would probably work better with some tweaking to the programming. There's a video of someone playing bohemian rhapsody on a 100 year old fairground organ using a stack of punch cards. It differentiates the notes better
As much as metal heads say that, as someone who listens to a lot of baroque music and used to listen to a lot of deathcore and the like, I would be inclined to say they only barely have resembalance.
Like even what was played at the start is already really far off from 90% of the classical you hear since the structure is really off, especially for Bach.
Well, I didn't start out with Deathcore - bands, but with Epica, Nightwish and the likes and I think the way those bands structure harmonies is more like what classical music does. I also love classical music, too, but have always sucked at musical theory and terminology (I'm definitely more on the visual end of the creative spectrum ^^'), so whenever I liken and compare two styles/bands/musicians, it's more because they give me a similar feeling or sensation and not because the technically close :)
Metal is dumbed down classical music.
Shoutout to John Sherer for letting them play metal on a church organ
Excellent song choices
Stoked for that new Necrophagist
This sounds like an organ. It does NOT sound like Bach.
Relax, nerd
@@raugust152637 What a dumb comment.
Not even close to bach, doesnt sound barroque at all
Bach wasn't even limited to the organ. Literally his most famous work is a cello solo. A better experiment would be to transcribe a metal song for string quartet.
yeah that's definitely not how he talked back then
All i want to hear played through this is sea shanty 2 and then i can finally die.
WE NEED MORE OF THIS
It would be great if you could post the full length of the first Necrophagist organ song. I like it a lot!
Anybody else here start listening to classical music after being a bit of a metalhead for years? Idk why but I find that ordering kind of funny
There's nothing funny about it dude! You could argue that some of the earliest metalheads were classical greats like Beethoven and Stravinski. Listen to Beethoven's later work, or Stravinski's Right of Spring. If I remember correctly, Right of Spring even caused a riot at it's premier. You can't get much more metal than that! Also, if you seem to think dinosaurs when listening to Right of Spring, that would be because Disney used that piece in Fantasia for the big Dino set piece! ;-)
On another note, there are now loads of people covering classical pieces in a metal style, Canon Rock being an obvious and first choice, but ERock has done several amazing arrangements of classical pieces that are well worth checking out. And even before TH-cam it was a thing. A band called Sky did a rock arrangement of Back's Toccata and Fugue in D minor that's well worth looking for, and that was in the 70's!
Anyway, I've always though that metalheads were much more predisposed to be interested in exploring classical music, and a lot of that is due to the fact that metal and classical are very related musically. Also, no matter how hard you try, you can't get heavier than a 120 piece symphony orchestra going at full blast! :-P
@@rhodridavies9426 I agree with basically everything you just said there - I think I just find it funny that certain things that seem very different at face value (going off the "image") can be intimately connected or related: like rap and poetry, and metal and classical
Dude, Metallica has done collabs with symphonies. It's totally natural
Opposite for me, I went to school for Music after listening to it growing up. there's definitely a special connection between classical and metal.
Kirk Hammett adored classical music
the 1700s called...it wants its elegance bach
Super cool! It’s wild that it works that well on the organ-thanks for sharing! though I can’t say it sounds all that much like Bach haha
Precisely why I started programming covers, metal sounds great played on classical instruments
In addition to the melodic line's forward progress, Bach is working out musical ideas in his fugues and inventions. Even if you don't understand what he's going for, that sense of tightly evolving musical order is absent from most modern music. Bach has a second motor in his compositions, even thought he doesn't have access to all the tuner mods of modern genres.
I should play this for my parents, who are convinced that metal guitaring has no skill to it or point.
If anyone doubts that Tosin Abasi and Javier Reyes are upper echelon musicians in their own right, they're completely completely ignorant.
Everyone knows that guitar playing in pop music is way harder
you should chek out "children of bodom: a symphonic tribute" it is so beautifull.
Maybe it doesn’t the first time, but it’s playing it again that takes the skill LUL
maybe they're right though, if you think this sounds like bach your parents have a point.
Wauw, that "One" part hit me like a truck..
I'd love to see the reactions of the Necrophagist guys hearing their music on such a grand scale. So cool
It sounds like Bach!
Bach: *weeps in fugue*
Contrapuntal sobbing intensifies.
I always though Beethoven would have been a metal head if he had access to the instruments we have nowadays.
0:49 the guy trying to seem friendly but thinking: why the fuck i have to tolerate this crap?
I got chills when One started playing.
Sounds nothing like Bach. Pretty cool though
I have no idea if you can make it happen, but dear god I want to hear Metallica's The Call of Ktulu
Oh crap now there are so many songs I want to hear on organ!
I've wanted to hear Call of Ktulu on the pipes for years. Even started learning keys so I could do it myself, but got a job and never came back to it. Vika Yermolyeva's piano interpretation is still the closest we've gotten so far.
thanks for making my dreams come true. I always thought necrophagist sounds like bach. Please share more necrophagist content
Necrophagist... man that was the most amazing part of the video i really loved that
Lol stabwound goes great
One was kinda weird but I bet Master of Puppets would have brought the roof down.
Yeah man I've been jamming Necrophagist a lot lately it's great for picking
I love how you played one
Yah no, that's not Bach. The organist is being nice.
One sounds like those Synthesia Piano Tutorials lol
Ales sandro thats because synthesia uses midi, and they used a midi
As an old-ish (35) band nerd the coolest thing here to me is a midi controllable pipe organ. As a music nerd that used to play bass in a metal band we all knew about the ties between metal and classical music. This is awesome by the way!
He really pulls out all the stops for this
If Bach was really shitty, didn’t do the best counterpoint ever written, had a bunch of power chords instead of brilliant voice leading, and never modulated, then yes.
Hahaha priceless
You mean midi?
Ok nerd
The pipe organ is unforgiving for shitty voice leading.
"A bunch of power chords"
A bunch of power chords in a Necrophagist song? You're telling me they released new material?
Doesn't sound like Bach, but cool nonetheless.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. The second one sounded closer until the parallel perfect fifths, but even before then it wasn't Bach.
that Necrophagist gave me chills
The organists reaction is priceless hahaha
I think metal is based on that classical sound
It is.
Depends what type of metal
@@simonkoeman3310 The Wiggles obviously
@@TisTheDamnStickSeason well duh
only necrophagist here sounds like a classical composition, and they are indeed inspired by that
There are some chords in the Animals as Leaders track that I think Bach would've considered indecent...
Most chords and progresions in metal would be frowned upon during the baroque period. Tritones? bad stuff! Finishing songs in minor key? that's a no! Parallel fifths? BIG NOPE! Modulating without preparation? You don't want that.
@@BATTIS94 I mean parallel fifths in a Bach piece, it does happen
@@BATTIS94 what? Bach uses a ton of tritones and parallel fifths, sudden modulations have been used since the Renaissance to indicate harsher emotions. And there are a ton of bach fugues which don't end with a Picardy third or in a major key
@@BATTIS94 I literally took a random piece that popped into my head, bach's g minor fantasia, and if you take a look at the sheet music, the 2nd and 3rd chord in the left hand already have 2 tritones, C and F# and D and Ab respectively
th-cam.com/video/tg50ozbZcqM/w-d-xo.html
Edit: in fact, the third chord has two tritones, D-Ab and F-B (B is in the right hand)
@@BATTIS94 that g minor fugue ended with a Picardy third, yes, but there are a lot of examples where pieces don't end in a major key,
Take the end of this fugue
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Listen to some more classical music before you type a random comment because it's nonsense lol. Avoiding parallel motions, ending in a major key, these aren't strict rules. The tritone thing is a myth, they're used so often, hell, a dominant seventh chord uses a tritone, and there's a ton of those in baroque and early classical music.
One was amazing
This is the most fantastic blend of old and new technology.
It really doesn’t
Like everyone else, I’m not hearing Bach at all here. It is a fun idea though.
Wow that is freaking wicked!
The Necrophagist sounds incredible on organ
I don't know if you should've played it in a church, but I love it.
Make sure you finish on the Bach, never finish on Debussy.
I used to do this in Guitar Pro by downloading midis and changing the instruments.
My dad listens to classical music. I once showed him “Eruption” from right off the album. He said it was a variation on some Bach themes.
That sounds absolutely nothing like Bach by any stretch of the imagination
it's utterly indistinguishable from bach and in fact sounds like it could've been written by the master himself
Thank you for confirming my suspicion that Classical was the Metal of its time.
Bro stabwound sounded SOOOOO good holy shit
Imagine randomly walking past a church and you hear Animals As Leaders coming out of it played on the organ
Good metal is just classical music in wolf's clothing.
Doesn't sound like BACH!
I think Rob found his new favorite toy.
Walking inside a church and hearing One, that must be pretty cool.
I'm not hearing the Bach at all. The way some metalheads try to prestige-ride the coattails of classical music is so cringey. I type that as I blast Enslaved
Very true for the most part, but you have to appreciate that Enslaved often wrote songs that went on for 11+ minutes, something their subgenre really only shares in common with classical music, progressive rock, and old school German ambient (Tangerine Dream). All the distortion prevents clear melodic lines, dynamics, counterpoint, or thematic development, but there's still a non-linear ordering of the riffs that tells an interesting story over a very long period that would get them kicked off the radio immediately if any of their music were ever played over the air.
Plus, on their early records, the viking horns and folk instruments for intros and interludes added a nice sense of atmosphere. Scandinavian folk music is a pretty prestigious influence to have (when done tastefully in small doses, like Enslaved did), even if it's not Bach.
Ultimately, the connection to classical music is more likely to be seen by a philosopher than a music technician or music scholar; after the Victorian period ended, the classical canon gradually fell into the hands of stuffy elites who obsessively over-analyzed "the classics" in universities in order to hit back against the avant-garde, but actual contemporary proponents of Romanticism as a philosophy would not have thought about music in such a scholarly, analytical, sterile way. I have a feeling Thoreau, Nietzsche, or painters like Caspar David Friedrich and Theodor Kittelsen would have understood what a band like Burzum was trying to do more than your average music scholar, who sees formulas instead of chapters in a story. Romanticism was about praising nature, the ancient world, heroism, imagination, beauty, and powerful emotional experiences, and any technicalities in artforms were seen as mere means to an end rather than an end in themselves.
Saying there's no connection between metal and classical is like saying there's no connection between Lord of the Rings and Beowulf simply because Tolkien's works weren't written in structured alliterative verse as epic poems.
Sounds amazing. Definitely Baroque, but I wouldn't say it sounds like Bach. Bach's music is all about symmetry. This was more wild and out there. Really good though.
in glad this is its own video.
Amazing rob
Yeah, it really isn’t. At best it could be a Bach one handed improvisation. Otherwise it completely lacks the harmonic complexity and the consistent contrapuntal structure. Different styles, there’s no point in pretending they are similar
Whew yikes your personality just radiates through this comment.
Doesn’t really sound like Bach... it sounds much more like composers from later periods. It’s so cringe that people think that it sounds like Bach.
I'd love to hear Conquering Dystopia played through this giant pipe organ.
RobScallon, Your first music in this video Bach would of loved it!