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When I was your age I thought like you. But many decades of driving and multiple ‘first to attend’ at accidents (as ordinary citizen not first responder) has taught me that distance behind car ahead is a saviour. If you want to be part of a seven car pileup then follow and stop close. I hope the years don’t teach you what I have learnt. I hope you just come to that view without the grief. FSD is keeping a good distance.
Most cars now come with auto braking, and soon enough, with self driving cars, tailgating will be a feature.
@@jjjxoxoxo fsd needs to stick a little closer, but on the freeway it approaches slowing traffic too fast
very good advice. I might just add 1 little caveat relating to computer vision versus human . fsd should theoretically be able to react many times faster than a human and judge a vehicle in front that is slowing down or breaking instantaneously in comparison. but a human absolutely agree too many people follow too close behind. especially at speed.
@@lachywocky true but two things…. Firstly the actual response time of FSD currently might not be much different to a humans. A lot of processing needs to be done and the videos seem to suggest that it sometimes seems slow to react. Secondly irrespective of reaction time, once you are stopped behind a car the closer you are increases your chances of a rear end crash becoming a three car crash instead of just two. Small comfort perhaps, but easier in insurance terms if nothing else. It’s only after you’ve seen or been in such a situation that you start to consider it at stopping time. Being stopped closer gives no advantage to you but does have a disadvantage.
FSD learned form video clips of good drivers who don’t tailgate or go 10 miles over in a residential zone
So safe to say it didn’t learn from your driving
No offense bro lol
I enjoyed the video and agree with you nothing is like FSD
😂 none taken. I’m not trying to tailgate I just don’t leave a full car length and a half at a stoplight. That’s all lol
I could have written a ticket for my car on FSD going 10 miles over the limit. It raised my eyebrows!
Of course, writing a ticket when you're not a cop is illegal and anyway, I'm the respons..........oh just forget about it, this is getting too complicated.
I just got 12.3.4 updated at 3am too! I actually got alerted at 11:35pm yesterday. It was a great first day using FSD for the first time ever. There were 2 premature DEs on my part but once it got confused between 2 lanes creeping at a busy light and earned a honk. However, it figured it out on its own after that time without a DE.
I always feel like it would probably sort itself out but I get impatient… and some of the highway stuff is dangerous
The current version of FSD is impressive and complete autonomous driving appears to be on the horizon. However, after using FSD for a couple of weeks, I've realized I enjoy driving more than monitoring FSD. I've always enjoyed driving cars and motorcycles and babysitting a computer just isn't my idea of fun. I look forward to complete autonomous driving because sleeping at night on a road trip would be great. BTW, I really like the interior on your 2024 Model 3.
I think I’m right there with you! Tesla makes such fun vehicles to drive that it is significantly less fun to have the car drive you while you babysit it. Although it is nice after a long work day!
Thanks so much for the kind words!
I think your approach is best. This version may actually increase the risk. The more it lulls the driver into a sense of safety, the less alert the driver will be. Given that it doesn’t have a 100% error free system- invariably it will need disengagement
awsome road test video.
Interesting discovery: whenever I switch from manual driving to FSD supervised, I’ve noticed how the latter mode improves on the battery percentage used, typically by 2-3%
Yess more fsd with different challenges to handle 👌🏾✅
I have some more spots planned 🫡
Oh man, you're so much like me when I was younger...and I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but there will come a time when patience will be learned and many accidents could have been avoided. You won't listen just like I would not have at the time :-) I just hope you won't have to learn it the way I had to. Anyhow, you're doing well so far. Keep up the good work. I enjoy your videos.
You know the funny thing about that… all of my family says I drive like a grandpa 👴🏼
😅
No accidents so far. Trying to keep it that way 🙏🏻🤞🏼
If everyone is using FSD, does it tend to update the FSD database for all other drivers when they upload newer versions?
As a NON Tesla owner and just looking at it from the outside, I think this version of FSD is absolutely astonishing. I appreciate that it's still wanting in some areas and based on this video it 100% still requires full supervision ( Traffic cone near miss for example). With all that being said, it is amazing to see how far this tech has come. We are very very close to living in the era of true self-driving cars! I can't imagine it will take much longer before it is bulletproof and far far better than any human at driving (Safely). I do wonder about Tesla's reliance on cameras though. I mean what happens during a snow or sudden dust storm for example? Surely having a secondary system like Lidar and radar to fall back on makes sense?
I might be more stressed with Metz driving than FSD.
Nah you’d be fine 🫡
FSD v12 on freeway is split stack, using v11 in the freeway.
What you saw on the freeway was not related to HW3 -vs- HW4 cameras.
Yeah, this. It didn't avoid the cones on the highway because it's on the old AP.
@@nockamura Not Autopilot(!), single stack FSD v11.4.9+
@@tommornini2470 even though Elon Said Verizon 11 is on single stack, many TH-camrs have said only version 12 is on a single stack neural network.
@@gsmith2520 On the freeway, or anywhere auto max speed setting is unavailable, it is using v11 neural networks and heuristic code.
Where auto max speed setting is available it’s using end-to-end neural network processing without the heuristic code, this is true v12.
v12 will come to freeways soon, I suspect, though parking lots may come first. 👍🏻
This just means highway stack is still using v11, not v12. Had same issues with 12.3.1 and will try 12.3.4 tomorrow on highway (looks like it will fail).
If you feel it’s going too slow, you can gently press on the accelerator and it will adjust its speed.
I figured that out later on. Super useful tip!
How can I create some distance when the front car is too close?
I have yet to have that problem 😅
Pressing the pedal is an intervention. That means FSD needs help, cannot do it alone.
@@DerekDavis213you’re right of course, but I figure it’ll all help to further refine the neural model with real-world situation learning… guess it’s why it’s why Tesla deliberately states this system is “Supervised”… btw, on a different but related subject the FSD Autopark feature is an absolute game-changer. Anyone having any form of difficulty with parallel and/or reverse parking is going to absolutely love this feature …
Just remember, there’s a difference between what you want to do and what state and the federal government wants it to do, rules and regulations apply
Sure, that’s fair
I have 2023 Y, and I can not use cruise control safely, phantom braking, and steering wheel jerks for no reason?
Autopilot or FSD?
I got it last night and tried it a couple of time in a rainy day here. Definitely nerve wracking. Next time I definitely have to use the accelerator more for that push (maybe I need to change to assertive?), and I also noticed if I disengage it allows a voice command to say why, so I think that would be useful feedback for Tesla.
Feedback with the voice command is priceless
I actually gave it feedback about missing that exit. Definitely should help them continuously improve it
I wonder if it performs poorly on the highways due to it still running in the older v11 stack. Curious to see the improvements when both city and highway stacks are in parity.
Great vid nevertheless!
Thanks so much 🙏🏻 I’m also interested to see how the highway stack improves on both v12 and HW4
@@MetzTechI would like to see AP and FSD on a single stack! But at this pace, probably April of 2025
Great intro! Few things. The route that is presented for navigation is not tied to FSD. It will give you the same routes with or without FSD. The stopping way short of intersections is something I've experienced as well...always. I just juice the pedal a bit to move the car up. Same with distance between the Tesla and the car in front. This one I can sort of understand. The auto speed us supposed to use the "neural network" to determine usual speeds for the road, and then set for that speed. Personally I think it doesn't work well. I live in a large metro area with plenty of traffic. It always goes too slow for my taste.
I have also read that the highway driving does not use the 12.x.x stack. I am also hopeful it will improve vastly. It gets REALLY old having the car decelerate quickly for no apparent reason on the highway. Where I live, that can get someone shot. :)
My hunch is that timing between nags is a sunk effort. I think it looks at speed, road conditions, number of recent inputs to the steering wheel (lane changes, etc.), internal camera capability to see the driver's face, etc. I tried timing it and indeed found it was a noble effort, but one that didn't yield usable data.
One last thing. Instead of disengaging FSD when you think the car should proceed through an intersection, you can use the accelerator. When I do that, the car goes and then finishes the turn/proceeds through the intersection, etc. You probably knew that but were trying to show the real-life FSD fun.
I accidentally discovered the accelerator trick later on in the day. It helps bridge the awkward gaps that FSD leaves.
I completely agree about the highway stack. It randomly slowed down on my last drive on 12.3.3 just in the middle of the open highway. Luckily there was no one behind me 🥴
This is actually incorrect. The navigation routing parameters are slightly different with FSD and has been this way since 2020.
@@Mark-kt5mh I've seen zero differences. If I enter a destination with FSD off the same path is selected as when FSD is on. I regularly toggle between the two because there are times that I do not have the desire to deal with the opportunities that FSD sometimes brings. Though I certainly cannot speak to what Tesla has leveraged for FSD's tie-ins to navigation, I can speak to what it has exhibited during my real-world use. I use navigation to provide an ETA and see if it has alternatives based on traffic--with or without FSD.
I may have missed it but what setting did you use for this drive? Assertive?
Sorry, I should’ve mentioned. Yes. Assertive
@@MetzTech thanks for confirming. I was hoping the hesitations were a result of a lower setting. All good though. I am sure they will dial it in soon
I was under the impression it will not take away the nag with the scroll wheel now. Are you sure?
Yes it does. I think they changed it recently. I do it that way every time
Any update on your steering column control module error? I'm taking mine to Tesla tomorrow for it to be evaluated.
Just what they told me last time…they ignored the ones I got on screen and only commented on the ones I get every time I drive inside the service menu…. Basically slapped my wrist and said “you shouldn’t be looking at those” 😠
@@MetzTech I've seen some posts on random forums outside the US with the same error. I almost wonder if it's just something completely benign that Tesla needs to remove for the M3H.
@Aglowgibbon that’s totally fine by me… I just wish they would just say that lol
@@MetzTech Just finished with Tesla service. They said it is a benign error that can be ignored. Unless I see it outside of service mode, it is nothing.
Thanks for the update! 🙏🏻
Hello, I know the system is getting better, but would you justify the $12,000 price tag or $200 a month for a system that's not fully baked! Another thing, I don't know if you agree with me, but when using FSB you're stressing more, because your in the look out for the car to do something crazy, so instead of taking the stress away it piles more!
I definitely understand that concern. It does feel like babysitting sometimes. But it clearly is improving so maybe it will become less so
It’s just dropped to $99 a month 😊
I presume that with dozens of repeat drives (same route, say home to school/work) you'd quickly get a sense of where it's about to fail. Seems relatively predictable to me from watching dozens of FSD 12 videos. Still not worth it for me... Maybe in 6-12 months when I trust it to take my kids around with some random kid behind the wheel as a puppet for FSD...
There is no learning at the car level. The learning is done and controlled by Tesla in house and then pushed to the cars.
Nobody knows that for a fact. An individual owner may have "a conversation" with the car much like a chat with ChatGPT, remembering preferences, pot holes, and other mistakes in his usual, heavily repeated routes. And if not done yet, it'll obviously soon be done because it's possible and highly beneficial + enjoyable...
@@Fatman305 Tesla says so..
@@Fatman305 I didn t say it wasn t possible btw, just they aren t doing it as of right now
@@lucadellasciucca967if Tesla cars don't have memory to "edit" the route to record pot holes, where cones are, just save to a thumb drive.
@@gsmith2520 You guys don t undertand! There is no need to give each car their data set of potholes and whatever else.
Step 1: Tesla asks to the 6 million cars of his fleet to send clips of potholes
Step 2: Select the clips where the behaviour is the one you want (avoids the pothole)
Step 3: feed the clips to the system (training) and upload the trained system to the fleet (over the air update).
The same thing is true for any behaviour they want their cars to have.
Do your research, invest in Tesla! ;)
Wish you would have shown auto park as well.
I have a separate video coming just about testing Autopark
Can you pay on a month to month basis for the fsd?
yep
Yes you can, it’s $199/month
I kinda look at it as $200 a month to have your own chauffeur, albeit you have to keep an eye on him ;-)
$99/month now
I got the free demo and it impresses me much more than I anticipated.
I'd love to have it but 12 grand can't be justified with my small yearly milage. I think Tesla will have to get innovative in selling to previous customers especially older retired people.
hopefully will be 99/month
@@mikeni1225 If the full price was 6 grand, I would seriously consider buying.
I'm 81 and in good health but several years from now may be a different story. Keeping a driver's license and having personal mobility around town will probably be an issue.
I've always felt 12 grand is just a bizarre price.
Good news! It’s now $99/month
@@MetzTech 99/mo is making more sense.
Now that they've lowered it, I doubt it will ever go back up.
I think it is nagging because you need to put your hand lightly on the steering wheel sometimes for reassurance
I get that. I feel like having to touch the wheel on a FSDS is silly. It has a camera to watch if I’m paying attention which I always am
Sitting here rotting with the 2024.8 updates while everyone else is enjoying their free fad trial on v12 😢
I felt the same way until literally yesterday… it’ll happen!
@@MetzTechi think we aren’t talking about the same thing. There are two tesla software teams pumping out different software to customers. It’s sort of like A/B testing. The one you are on is older version of the main software branch. This is the one that tesla decided to do the v12 FSD update too. The one I am on as well as probably half the customer base is on the newer track which is 2024.8, currently 2024.8.12, this does not have v12 update nor a free month of fsd. We will have to wait for some time, maybe months, to be on the same version. Usually they merge branches every quarter. With that said, it is unfortunate we can’t get a free trial to test but rather have to shell out $200 for a month later on. This is all because mr musk announced free trial for everyone but failed to realize half, if not more, of the customers are on the advanced software branch.
If by chance you were on 2024.8 and they downgraded your version to get fsd 12 that would be very interesting to know.
@@darklen14you’ll get your free month.
Won’t be too long before v12 merges to master forever. 👍🏻
@@darklen14I don’t believe Tesla has ever downgraded a version, so that’s very unlikely IMHO.
4 MAJOR problems with 12.3.4:
1. Slows way too early for stop signs and lights
2. Follow and stop distance to cars in front of you far to wide. Need user customization back.
3. Stops way too short of stop lines.
4. Auto set speed is broken. Often goes 5-10 MPH UNDER posted speed limits.
All of these. Yes. Also it takes way too long to turn at completely empty intersections
The car is not supposed to drive as you would, it is supposed to drive safely, and I am not saying you are a bad driver but just that an autonomous system cannot take the same level of risks than a human. If you are in a hurry, just don't use any assistance and drive as fast as you want, burn stops, (...), but then take full responsibility if an accident occurs. BTW, have you configured FSD to your liking before starting, via the UI ? You can even change the behaviors while moving with buttons on the steering wheel, to adapt the behavior to the situation.
Imagine FSD having an accident, even with minor injuries, while speeding as you are suggesting, or not fully stopping at a stop sign, or crossing at a yellow traffic light. What would be the coverage in the media ? By politics ? By all the haters ?
Or just imagine a Tesla blocking an interception, it seams that it does not take the risk and it is fine :
th-cam.com/video/o9MkMGB0Jn0/w-d-xo.html&lc=Ugy6HipgO17g5gKnAg54AaABAg
Finally, when in the future you will be using FSD not to assess it but to read a book while commuting, you will be happy the car not to take risks to save a few minutes.
Safest drivers on the road are school bus drivers. We are taught to reduce risk. We can’t speed, we have to come to a complete stop etc. why shouldn’t FSD drive like that. Once you can ride on the car without paying attention. These small annoyances won’t even matter. You will be busy doing something else. Do you think the kids in my bus think about how fast I’m driving? They just know they are in safe.
Using it on my MYP… my reactions are pretty much the same.
I think it’s interesting that so many people say it’s human like… I didn’t feel that really
I think it’ll get better but it’s still just too passive
FSD took me from Miami to Orlando, don’t know why. I’ll make the best of my Disney visit.
😂😂
It's probably trying to get you out of FL.
The way "most people treat" a certain road should of course not be the basis for a large system framework such as FSD. Even the thought scares me. Let it autistically follow the speed limit, always (speed limit, or if the situation calls for it, under). I think that's necessary to scale the system.
Don't you have to put your hands on the wheel from time to time?
Or just flick the scroll wheel
Are youngetting this upgrade as a 30 day trial?
Yes It’s my free trial!
@MetzTech I heard Canada is syppose to get subscription model for fsd....
comment section did not disappoint me
You failed to mention that your shiny new 2024 M3 had deactivated your “Automatic Set Speed Offset” on its own when traveling on the freeway (I-64 I think) and then activated it again once your M3 was back on city street.
Yeah that’s because it doesn’t use v12 on the highway. So it doesn’t have the auto speed offset on the highway yet
@@MetzTech What OFFICIAL Tesla publications led you to believe that FSD (Supervised) v12.3.4 doesn't apply when operating your M3 on the highway or freeway with FSD (Supervised) being engaged? Tesla officially states "Automatic Set Speed Offset allows Autopilot to drive at the speed that it determines is most natural. This considers factors like road type, traffic flow, environmental conditions, speed limit and the selected Full Self-Driving (Supervised) Profile setting (Chill, Average, or Assertive)."
As far as I know there is no statement of Tesla to this topic yet. It’s a rumor beyond FSD users, because a lot of them noticed that there is quite a difference in the behavior of street driving and highway. Highways feel more like a improved v11 than v12 in city streets with its smart decisions.
@@06boot Let me clarify.. while my brand new 2024 MYP ran okay on FSD (Beta) v11.4.9, it's now running like a champ on FSD (Supervised) v12.3.3 with Automatic Set Speed Offset always selected!
Last weekend, with FSD (Supervised) engaged, traveling on Georgia Highway 247 towards I-75 (a freeway), the word "Auto" was clearly displayed just above the MAX indicator the whole time we (car + supervisor) were on Highway 247 -- rotating the right scroll button, same way MetzTech did in his video, to satisfy the FSD-popo had no effect on my MYP's MAX speed. But, just as soon as we (car + supervisor) entered the freeway (i.e. I-75), I was shock to find out my MYP was going faster and faster with each scroll-up of the right scroll button -- the word "Auto" was replaced by an actual number way higher than the post speed limit on that part of the freeway.
Just thought MetzTech would want to alert potential FSD (Supervised) users to the behavior of Automatic Set Speed Offset he experienced on I-64, since Tesla's official statement regarding Automatic Set Speed Offset (as seen in my post above) makes no reference to the kind of roadway (city streets, highways, or freeways) the car travels.
@@TuneupMagic Here is what the release notes for FSD (Supervised) v12.3.4 states: "FSD (Supervised) v12 upgrades the CITY-STREETS DRIVING STACK [emphasis mine] to a single end-to-end neural network..."
So no, Tesla hasn't explicitly stated that highway isn't v12, but that sure makes it sound like it isn't.
Looks very cool, but I don't think I could ever let a car drive itself.
I think it’s really cool too. I just get bored sorta, it goes a little slow for my liking right now. But it’s safer I guess
You ll be surprised then!
try it, you learn to switch in and out of FSD, it works so well in traffic, enough for you to semi sleep
Blue cruise is more akin to autopilot than FSD
Very true. But don’t tell JRE that.
epic
🙏🏻 thank you
Please fix your camera looking forward too much white out (screen not visible & outside is invisible as well.). Because of your bad camera viewing I had to leave before the end!
It will be fixed next time around. Haven’t had issues with it prior to this video which is unfortunate
You do realize that nags only happen when you're not holding the steering wheel properly. Such a waste of effort and time to constantly spin the scroll wheel. I go 15-20 minutes between nags using very comfortable hand positions on the wheel. Besides with your hands off the wheels you cannot react fast enough if something really bad happens. Not much of an issue now since V12 is remarkably good but really early builds were a bit dangerous.
I hear that… but what’s the point of a FSDS that you have to have your hands on the wheel? Am I supposed to just pretend to take turns while it’s doing it? 😂
@@MetzTech You just let the wheel slide thru your hand. I've been doing this for almost 3 years testing FSD and it's so natural now I don't even think about it. I'm also very glad I've done this because a few times FSD did some really dangerous things. Now with V12 that isn't the same risk.
It’s cool, I I can’t imagine paying $12,000 or $200 a month.
I wouldn’t pay for it if I didn’t get it free from referrals 🫡
Thirty years ago I was driving along at night without a care in the world. I noticed out of the corner of my eye something move. I slammed on the brakes and a little girl bicycled in front of my car. I got lucky that I was not looking in a mirror or at a storefront at that moment and I was able to react quickly. Today I am not sure if my reaction time would be able to do that. If this is watching and can see what I don't, and react, it is worth 12k. I can't have it where I live, but as soon as I can I will.
하지만 한달간 무료사용후 FSD 없이 운전하게 되면…너무 운전 스트레스가 클거 같은데요….
@@Seoulhawk01 if it’s that important they shouldn’t charge you $12,000 for it. It should be government mandated when it is good enough.
@@user-oo4ry9hi5b I’d like to read your comment but TH-cam isn’t letting me translate it.
Hi. I'm direct. Sorry you need not adjust speed manually on the wheel and also if you feel the vehicle needs to go over to other lane use the turn signal to inform it to teach it.
I hope you alerted all the kids, pets, and white vehicles…
Have you used FSD or do you just troll TH-cam videos?
@@MetzTech Why would I subject myself to beta testing for Tesla? I don’t have a cultist bent to myself….but it is humorous watching you guys spin cycle a $15k option that has never worked, is non transferrable, is demonstrably dangerous, and is now being used to try and change the subject as Tesla continues its slide.
That’s what I figured. Super fascinating to me that people who don’t actually use the product have the strongest opinions. It’s 12k up front. Not 15. But no one does that. $99/month if you want to
@@MetzTech Oh sorry, it was $15k until five minutes ago….but that’s the way the spin cycle works.
Your assertion that anyone who doesn’t own a Tesla has no valid opinion would seem to undermine the point of legitimate TH-cam reviews and reviewers, interesting.
And no, I don’t watch “all of …[your] videos”. In fact before Thursday I had never heard of you. Only reason I was moved to comment was because of your truly ingenuous comments on the I6. You truly are a dedicated Tesla fanboi, as you’re demonstrating with your hilarious attempts at retribution realizing I see right through you. I don’t need to own a Tesla to watch dashcam videos of them hitting white trucks whilst using Fucking Stupid Driving.
It’s been 12k for a while. And again no one actually pays up front. Makes no sense to. People pay monthly if they want it like anything else.
Idk how you watched my Ioniq 6 video and walked away thinking that I didn’t like Ioniq. Absolutely wild. I have almost nothing but good things to say. But whatever helps you feel better my guy.
I appreciate all the interaction 🫡
12.3.3 was way better than 12.3.4
That’s what I’ve heard
This guy is complaining that FSD isn't driving irresponsible?
Nothing I’m suggesting is irresponsible. Sometimes you have to be a little more aggressive to avoid potentially dangerous situations… as you can see at the end of the video
@@MetzTech I get that but near the beginning of the video on a zero traffic side street you wanted it to go 10 over the limit like you instead of the 6 over it was already doing. I'm just trying to put it into perspective. I still appreciate the time you took to make the video. Keep it up.
I hear you for sure. It definitely is a situation to situation basis. I always appreciate when it stays with the flow of traffic, that’s all. I appreciate the feedback! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
🥳❤💯💢💥💫👍👍👍The Video on the Front camera is a bit washed out ? Maybe you could adjust the contrast on it a little ?
Yeah it was. Unfortunate. Next time that’ll be fixed 🙏🏻