Tesla FSD 12.3.4 - First Impressions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 เม.ย. 2024
- Queens Downtown Flushing New York City
FSD Supervised v12.3.4
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Car: Model X
Trim: Raven
Hardware: 3.0
MCU: 3.0
Full Self-Driving: Enabled
FSD Beta: 12.3.4
This is one of the most difficult drives I have seen with FSD. Probably made 500 decisions and only one wrong decision and may be 1-2 not great ones but ok. Path to 99.9 in a year then 99.999 reliability in a couple of years hopefully. Thanks.
This FSD trial is brilliant. 5M teslas on the road, say collectively they average 1,000 miles on FSD during the free trial. That is 5B miles of training data!! They just recently reached 1B miles and estimated ~6B would be enough to have FSD more or less "done".
that .999 improve will be super hard, but not impossible.
@@falconxlc Completely agree but Musk usually doesn't do easy things! Few months ago (version 11) I would not have said this but as Elon says success is one of the possible outcomes. Success does not mean perfect. There is no perfect thing ever. Success is 99.999 which means 3-4 errors say in a million decisions roughly speaking one error per ten thousand miles or thousand mile, not sure but something like that so hundreds of drives finish with no errors.
It will always be "a couple of years" away.
Great video so many interesting situations. You can add a fast forward icon >> when you have those edits. You can make a highlights video just from the content in this one (Good and Bad of FSD 12.3.4) with those disengagement and some of the great spots if you want more clicks.
As a 2018 M3 owner who’s had highway phantom braking episodes so bad in enhanced AP that I stopped using it on the highway, I never thought I’d say this but based on 12.3.4 so far, it wont take Tesla years to calculate that last 10th. FSD finally looks truly legit
Should I pay the $1k to upgrade my 2018 model 3?
Very nice drive and video! One thing though from an old school FSD Beta tester.. please, whenever you are in dangerous situation like the one where FSD made a weird jerk toward the bicyclist (22:03), put both hands on the wheel for a quick reaction if needed. Alsooo.. a good tip is to have one hand gently on the wheel the whole time. With just a very slight pressure.. you will not get ANY nags and you will also be ready for any needed quick responses. Ok man, thanks again and keep up the good work!
Thanks for showing this on an older model x. Just bought a 17X and am getting the hw updated. This really helps me decide to just pay $99 a month for fsd now.
Great video. Street- and traffic-conditions remind me of Europe. Many pedestrians, bicyclists, motorcyclists, narrow streets, parked cars, construction zones … FSD handles all quite well. FSD HW isn’t old, but good designed and sufficient.
that turn at 23:00 with the oncoming car in the sphere of the car was unbelievably impressive
Great drive! Unreal that we are at this point.
Great video. A lot of good information and a variety of challenging situations. It's great to see FSD handling them so smoothly. Amazing that it's only going to get better.
That was actually super impressive. Flushing is top tier chaotic immigrant real life traffic. FSD made many expert level good decisions.
This made me think 8/8 Robotaxi announcement will be a big hit, and Elon should be proud. Flushing is no joke. People live in small town don’t dare to drive in places like this for the exact reason you’d seen here. Now FSD can take you anywhere including the forbidden places due to traffic.
Can’t believe how it handled those narrow roads with on coming vehicles, very impressive
Interesting niche case with a funeral procession of law breakers :) that's a toughie. 12:01 there is no stop line so if you are supposed to stop there it's a highly unusual intersection design. I would guess the road designers figured that you are allowed to continue from that direction because you are sort of in a long intersection. The line should definitely be there if they intend a proper intersection threshold. 22:03 curious throw of the steering wheel towards bicyclist :)
My biggest issues i see with a lot of these FSD videos are either with the driver or other vehicle drivers impatience. Many vehicle accidents are due to impatient drivers. I dont want AI to also be impatient.
The trick is making it safe in the transitional period where it has to drive amongst humans. Make it too slow and humans will run into it. Make it like them and you’ve just recreated the problem. Vexing. I expect the NHTSA-mandated stops to be the chief cause of accidents with FSD.
@catbert7 The stopping at stop signs is something that needs to be addressed in general. Cops looking to ticket someone will pull someone over for safely rolling a stop when no other car is present at the stop. Laws need to be updated, and streets need to be maintained and updated to be robotaxi friendly. Imo
Excellent video. Loved the narration about everything that was happening. A former New Yorker, I haven't been there in years but made me feel nostalgic for the old neighborhood. Subbed. Thanks!
New york is such a hard place to drive .... FSD did it well .. damn
NY is a hard place to live. You can be fined $MM for normal business practices if those in power don't like you. Flee!
Thanks for the touring of downtown Flushing, never been there. Enjoyed
Nice drive
Turn on auto offset max it will give more control over the speed of the car
Done, thanks
Wow, a funeral procession is a super difficult one especially since all the vehicles are unmarked.
It’s amazing that a car that old cars still get the latest FSD upgrade.
Funeral procession edge case, I bet no one would have thought to simulate that! The benefit of real world data.
You didn’t have to indicate ,the car had Ayers to get over ,you were just impatient! Let the car do its thing , if it misses a turn it will re route.
진짜...완전 미쳤네...외계인 기술이다..미국인들아..뭐하노..이런거 안사고..남자들 최고의 장난감이 생겼구만.
Don’t use low profile tires when so many potholes are on the streets and you have to park alongside or on high sidewalks like in your city
Amazing. This might be the one
The one? What do you mean?
@@DerekDavis213the person means that self driving is here and might be ready for robo taxi
@@franki3Ru550 What is a robo taxi?
Can it drive me 100 miles from busy suburb to busy inner city? And without human help?
Yes probably a couple accidents but not fatal@@DerekDavis213
Maybe. Right now it depends on the city. Performance varies widely by location. It does seem to be as good as Waymo in a lot of places now though, and those are legal robotaxis.
Just scroll up and down the volume or accelator button to fixed the nagging.
I think they may have changed that, scroll wheels don’t satisfy the nag anymore
😍
When activating auto park, is there a way to select the target spot? I have the same car, but it only shows one spot, with no obvious selector. Thanks.
The newer ones use the screen to select. Older models I think use the scroll wheel?
Not yet on the legacy model s/x. Newer model s/x (late 2021+ builds) and models 3 and y support the auto-park selectors.
와 인간이 운전하는 수준이네.. 테슬라 사고싶다
Very interesting edge case of the funeral procession, in order to have a car without a steering wheel, every single edge case like this has to be perfected. This leaves the question about how many edge cases like this there are and how long it will take to be 100 percent reliable.
There is no such thing as 100% reliability. Airlines are not 100% but still fly millions of people a year.
We should hope for 99.999 meaning 3-4 disengagements or errors say in 10,000 or 100,000 miles. That is probably achievable in 2-3 years. When error happens it's not the end of the world, pulls to the side (or just stops like a human when his car breaks down) and asks help from Tesla robotaxi center that can handle hundreds of cases in a day but not millions.
I guess we didn't see what it actually would have done (likely stopped before collision or budged into the procession if they stopped). I don't think needs to understand all of them, it just needs to drive in a way that is safe when strange stuff happens.
@@lystfiskerlarsexactly, it would, of course, not have crashed into these cars.
I'm not sure this is really an edge case. I think this is even a rule in some state DMV manuals, just like stopping short of a stopped school bus with its lights flashing from any direction.
At least, I read this funeral give way law in the California DMV driver's manual recently.
It's going to be interesting to see how FSD copes with variations in the ways each state's drivers act based on the different rules in their respective manuals. Same issue in Europe when we drive from country to country.
Assumptions like that are what will lead to the first FSD fatalities. Do not assume it will not crash. It most definitely has done things that would have caused a collision without intervention and it has crashed into plenty of curbs and other obstacles. Moreover, maneuvers that nearly cause a crash are still bad.
Wow, didn’t think FSD V12 could work on Legacy Model Xs
Were you using chill mode?
Yes
Try assertive mode, it is faster and more human like
WOW! That is the mother of all edge-cases, a funeral. How is FSD going to implement that for Robotaxi?
Train it with more videos of funeral s
@@isaacbuziba7085more likely will simply train more on videos where cars are ignoring red lights (the more general case).
Frankly I don’t see that it being a funeral procession has anything to do with it. FSD should already know not to drive into other vehicles, whether they’re breaking the law out not. But it clearly doesn’t have that down yet.
@@catbert7 It likely would have just tried to force a merge. Which is the normal thing to do in such a case.
@@catbert7 True, but it's a difference between staying put or trying to get into the flow. The latter may cause you to be in the middle of the intersection at the wrong time. I also wonder, does FSD already know to move aside and make room for emergency vehicles to pass? Maybe it does already, but I've never seen it.
What model and year do you drive?
19 X
For me this release was 2 - maybe 3 - steps backward. Almost every lane decision is now wrong.
How can FSD ever understand there is a funeral possession? Tough problem for FSD.
Does it need to? Frankly I don’t see that it being a funeral procession has anything to do with it. FSD should already know not to drive into other vehicles, whether they’re breaking the law out not. But it clearly doesn’t have that down yet.
@@catbert7 well, the video showed that FSD was trying to drive into those vehicles because FSD expected red lights for those vehicles, But since it’s a funeral possession, they all ran the red light.
Are you guys planning to subscribe to FSD after the free trial?
Edge case 🤣
Should you have intervened at 22 mins so it knows, bad FSD don't do that again.
Probably should have
He will do that when it happens off-camera. Though I’m not entirely sure how much the interventions matter at this point.
장례행렬 차들은 좌회전 신호받은 차와 부딛힐 위험에 관계없이 무조건 먼저 줄줄이 따라가는게 맞는건가요?
대부분의 사람이라면 신호가 바뀌어도 장례 차량들이 모두 지나가기만을 그냥 기다려줬을까요?
Funeral processions allow you to run red lights en masse?!
Definitely shouldn’t.
At least in Massachusetts, yeah:
An operator of a vehicle that is not part of a funeral procession shall not:
(1) drive between the vehicles forming a funeral procession while the vehicles are in motion except when authorized to do so by law enforcement personnel or when driving an authorized emergency vehicle emitting an audible siren or flashing emergency lights;
(4) enter an intersection, even if the operator is facing a green traffic control signal when a funeral procession is proceeding through a red traffic control signal at the intersection as permitted under subsection (c), unless the operator may do so without crossing the path of the funeral procession
So, the funeral procession can go through the red, and you, with a green light, have to wait for them... The idea obviously is to allow all of the vehicles in the procession to stay together... If the first part of the procession went through a green light, but the latter part had to stop for a red light, they might not know how to continue on to the cemetery. Less likely in this age of GPS, but that is the way the law works. If you insert yourself in the middle of the procession, you could be ticketed...
미국형아들아 동생들아 주가 부양좀 해라 fsd반영좀 시키라고 좀 해라
That was some pretty snug driving.
Latest FSD still has some issues:
1:25 Human must take over. FSD does not stop.
11:08 FSD in the wrong lane, Human must intervene.
13:08 FSD misses an easy right turn. Human must intervene
open yer eyes, grandpa!
1:25 humans break the law and put the car in danger. FSD tries to get out of the danger. human intervenes, but unclear if it was necessary.
11:08 human chooses to intervene, because the car isn't familiar with the area. FSD would likely have done it fine, just as humans do.
13:08 FSD doesn't know where the human wants to stop. human chooses to take over.
the car made zero errors the entire drive. zero.
great to see tesla/tech ppl are so passionate
@@rsmonge LOL car was going to go right into the funeral procession, without stopping. Simple minded.
Car isn't familiar with the area? LOL A human can drive anywhere in the USA, in broad daylight, and read the signs and lane markings. And make the correct decisions.
You are making so many excuses for FSD, an advanced computer and optical system that's almost *four* *years* in beta. what a joke
Bot accounts on every Tesla fsd video
@DerekDavis213 fsd is hard because it's not a computer problem it's an AI problem. You need to create an Ai that has to reason about any situation, objects, physics, map routes, traffic signs and rules, etc..
운전자 왜케 답답하냐ㅡㅡ
FSD Supervised doesn’t save time, reduce attention requirements, or lessen liability, and claims of increased safety are difficult to demonstrate.
FSD, in its current form at $99/month, will achieve around 40% adoption.
To get to over 80% adoption, FSD Supervised needs to be priced at $49/month.
Only when Tesla has motivated mass adoption within its OWN fleet, will other automakers show interest in licensing.
Not sure what right price should be, but Blue Cruise is charging 75 month and only works on approved highways. FSD is way more advanced. On long road trips, FSD really helps on the long highway drives. It will make lane changes, taking out much of the fatigue. On long drives I prefer to drive with FSD engaged rather than not.
Subscription should maybe be lower, for now. Buyout should probably be higher.
Less than 24h of this post it is already reduced to $99 😂
Hands on the wheel too much! The audience can’t tell if you’re driving or the car is driving. Also, you can just scroll one of the scroll wheels on the steering wheel as opposed to turning the steering wheel to deal with the nagging.
Your hands have to be on the wheel or FSD disengages!!!!
STFU! His hands should be on the wheel the ENTIRE time. If it does something sudden and dangerous the scroll wheels aren’t going to prevent it. Reaction time is life and death in driving. He agreed to keep his hands on the wheel when he activated Beta for this reason. I don’t give a fuck whether conspiracy theorists believe or not.
Congratulations. You payed 12k to become an unpayed betta tester and data collector for tesla at your own electricity expense. Enjoy your work.
I 100% agree with you. However, everybody got a month free.
He paid 12K to get a lifetime of software updates and gets to enjoy it unlimited, if people could stop hating so much👀, the Tesla community gets so much hate already and it’s just for driving a Tesla, I don’t know what it is that just by looking at it people get some kind of anger in themselves, it’s funny but not funny at the same time.
@@Jasmin-mp5qbit’s just that these massive companies take advantage of their biggest fans and it’s sad to watch
@@Jasmin-mp5qb I'm pretty sure teslas will get software updates with or without access to fsd. I'm just frustrated by the misleading way tesla is advertising its fsd. A lot of investors will find out. People live on hope and promises instead of learning more about what AI actually is and operates.
Actually, I paid 6k back in 2019, I feel like it is of value to me as I use it most of my long trips. On long drives on the highway, it will make lane changes, stay in lane. I will not get tired when I arrive at my destination.
You don't have to hold the wheel just use the scroll wheel up or down smh
NYC is the worst place for FSD Smfh