Facts but casuals and the so-called "hardcore" SF heads as well as Capcom havent figured that shit out yet...everything now is "easy mode"....shit even Tekken 8 is going the "easy mode" route 🤦🏾♂️
Fun is objective. Normally people who grew up during Aris time see 3S as a cult classic. Not saying it's good or bad, it's purely objective. SFIV people will called that game the best for example.
people can talk about how much better the balance could be in 3rd strike, but there's something so magical about every aspect of 3rd strike imo. def a GOAT fighting game 🙂
It just needs one more balance patch, it's been 25 years. It's literally only had 3 updates, how many balance patches and updates, bug fixes did SF4, SF5 get? Shitting on old games because of bad balance is always a low blow because the developers have no idea what people playing a game for 20+ years nonstop will come up with when it takes them a year to make a game in the first place.
@@HarmonicResonanceScale exactly. The problem isnt that they are cheap, but that their cheap shit is fairly trivial to pull off. Imagine if urien aegis unblockables were easy and didnt require weird charge partition bs
3S obviously means a lot of things to a lot of people and it really does seem like a game you could play forever with even opponents but MAN, does it allow for some armchair experts. Can't think of another game that brings out people who talk more out of their A$$ than 3S
GOOD! Do you have ANY faqin idea how it looks like everywhere else? Buncha Socrateses talking and arguing about how the felt during cutscenes when the pixels moved from one end of the screen to the other. This a video game, talk about the gameplay or square off to netflix! anyway, yugioh
I understand some of the complaints levied at 3S, there's truth to it, but it doesn't matter because the game is just extremely fun. It's so fast and there's never been another SF game with so much freedom in your choices and how you move. The system mechanics (parry) just open up the possibilities in the game in so many interactions and you hardly ever get that kind of experience in any other fighting game, that's why you'll always see this game played because of how unique it is not just in the SF world but fighting games as a whole no matter how many new fighting games come up. It's not balanced but like Aris said the open endedness of the game allows you to always have an answer even if you are at a disadvantage, whereas an S+ character in another SF game it's straight up unwinnable because of how limited you are. That's also what many players like Daigo dislike about it what parry can do in those oki situations, and the freedom of the system mechanics allows questionable OSs, but that's what makes 3S unique and special and free, if you take that away it would just be a boring SF game #1000. At least the developers had the balls to make a change and really open up the game, there's tons of other "traditional" SFs you can play but you won't get another experience in other fighting game like 3S.
People need to stop pretending parry is the magical bandaid that enables the fun in 3S when it's really the cause of a lot of imbalance. Parry favors characters with good punishes, which is why bad characters like Oro, Hugo, and Q can pop off while losers like Remy, 12, and Sean are lucky if they get more than just a throw. But at the end of the day all these guys are going to lose more often than not to the characters with god normals and even more cheap bullshit up their sleeves.
a 4th version with a few small balance changes and a playable gill would be so cool. They could do us a solid and add the stages from the previous versions too
@@jaykelley103 yeah, 4 strike does have some good ideas though, like giving alex DDT an air option against standing targets on the ground, that was genius. We could have had that during the 3s online era the some vocal minority didn't allow it so we got the exact same game.
@@jaykelley103 that shit is trash....the balance changes are simple....give Sean his 2nd Impact Tatsu and DP and his target combo link into Sa1 or Sa3....Ibuki needs one of her supers back from 2nd Impact and Remy needs to be able to link off crouching mk....thats it nobody else needs to be touched
“And it’s attached to a super!?”😂😂 Aris’ wit is so unique. It’s not something you can achieve through practice either. It’s a natural Aris brand of comedy that can only come from being fat, bald, having gout and living in Commiefornia. Thanks green man. May your days be long upon this Earph.
I don't think this tournament is a good example, this tournament placed restrictions on character choices by limiting how many of any character you could have on your team. This tournament is more of a fun get together nothing is on the line so of course you will see character variety. Also I'm pretty sure some of the choices are counter picks to other top tier characters. This is a also a team tournament where you only need to beat someone in one game to advance, giving the person no opportunity to adapt. So picking less used characters is encouraged because you can steal games with a knowledge check.
the result is always the same. Chun/Yun. You can structure a tournament any way you want, but as long as those two characters exist, this is what the final will always be. This is why 3S wasn't a mainstay during major tournaments. It's a Chun/Yun show every time.
I think the magic stopped with 3s because it was the last true arcade game for Capcom. Yes, Japan still has arcades and SF4 was released first in the arcade, but they were already dead across the world outside of maybe Japan and Korea. I remember 3's, MVSC2, X-men vs Street Fighter, and Soul Calibur 2 at the arcades and even grocery stores had these cabinets. So these games had an insane amount of people playing them all the time finding new tech. It captured the true essence of fighting games. Now we have some A.I created soulless fighting games like SF5 that just feels dead. There's no charm to it. The "arcades" are now virtually created inside SF6 that's only accessible online.
There's still a lot of limitations in the system mechanics, although they definitely at least tried to make it more "loose" vs SF5. 3S is so loose in it's mechanics it's like you are walking on clouds sometimes.
Nah, he's going to make lame excuses for why it's shit after a few weeks then go back to playing random $7 horror games and talking about MvC2/3S being cool once every 4 months. I guarantee you, he'll try to convince people 6 is shit. Dude is just over the hill.
This game is a lot like +R. +R wears its influence on its sleeve. Every character broken, but everyone can win based on the system. Parry and SB are basically the same thing.
I dont understand why Aris is downplaying Tekkens systems. I think that game more than exemplifies the idea of player skill with the game and mechanics over simply character balance. The generic options everyone has is a system in itself when a character has 100 unique attacks. This is after he just finished justifying how many miracles you need to best a true Mexican Akumer.
All he is saying is the balance in tekken is boring because characters don't really have strengths and weaknesses highlighted they basically all have the same tools
What he's _really_ saying is that the standardizations in 3S & SCII are cooler. While he is wearing rose-tinted glasses, he did admit 3S is not truly balanced.
Another game to add to your list: Virtua Fighter 5. I call it open vs closed system. Hence why 3rd strike will always stand the test of time. Pretty sure max talked about this too. Here’s hoping sf6 gets added to the list. It’s interesting how setplay was a thing in 3rd strike but didn’t ruin the experience because of the parry system.
I think he called it the most loose closed fighting game lol, which is kinda accurate. The developers of VF tightly knit what you can and can't do, but there's so much you can do in that space that it allows of a lot of player expression and possibilities. Too bad people used to call VF "chairs" because nobody plays it.
@@saado99 thanks, you’re absolutely right. I think this is what is missing in modern fighting games. When you lose, you get triggered because there wasn’t a lot you could have done besides not let that situation happen. Versus losing and being like “damn, I should have done .” With parries, you always feel powerful, even on defense. With an open system, you can even have more character variety because no one particular archetype is too OP.
True. The parry and guard push in Soul Calibur 2 is such a broken system that if you're against someone spamming attacks, you can use your knowledge and parry that shit to oblivion. I've seen people parry each other over and over again until time expired.
A lot of people don't understand what when "everybody's cheap, nobody's cheap" means but Aris explained it pretty well. It's a lot more about the system mechanics being cheap than the characters themselves. This is why DNF fell off while HnK is still seeing play like 100 years later even though HnK is way more broken.
The "parries help level the playing field" thing is true to an extent, but 3S isn't a good example of "everybody's cheap" even considering parries. Chun is fucking cheap, Yun is fucking cheap, Ken is absurdly well-rounded and approaching cheap, you could make arguments for Akuma, even Denjin Ryu, but Alex, Q, Sean, Remy, Twelve... they are not cheap in any sense of the word.
@@sc065 Sure you meant to say Q not G, but I think part of it comes from how the more popular "cheap" characters have generally been labbed against for decades while some (not all - Alex can't catch a break) of the weaker characters still have their own rarer if weaker gimmicks and parry to cover for predictable play. The systems are strong enough to carry players and there is a little bit of sauce from Sean and Remy even if it is context sensitive and not free neutral options like what Yun or Chun Li have.
@@thelastgogeta Yes ofc Q. I play a lot of 3S and 5, can't remember my letters. Remy certainly has lots of sauce, I know an extremely good local Remy player that I can't touch.
@sc065 I didn't say the low-tier characters are cheap. I said parries are cheap which lets the weak characters pull off some wild bullshit. Yeah, Chun is cheap but she still has to respect the threat of getting parried because 3S is a very explosive game. One parry is all it takes to turn things around or straight up kill you depending on the character. Q is a bad character but you fucking die if he parries you.
@@N00BSYBORG I know what you mean but I struggle to consider a mechanic "cheap" when everyone has access to it. But whatever you call it, yes it's a strong universal system mechanic. My issue with Aris's explanation is that he's also literally saying every character has some cheap shit even in the same universe as what top-tiers can do, which isn't true. Low-tiers can just squeak by with a few extra parries while their top-tier opponents need half or less of the same opportunities. TF2 and DotA are better examples of "when everyone's cheap, no one is."
You know your passion for the game is really what people need to see. Every character is sick even if it's a bitch Yun or a slimey Makoto, everyone is cool, and everyone is a bitch. This game is sick and cheap and we should all love every character.
Would be interested to read from someone what exactly the 'game system' Aris keeps referring to that is implicit to Third Strike's balance despite the balance issues that are there. Is it specifically the implementation of 3s' parry mechanic? Is it some sort of nuance to push back on a per character basis (I recall that Soul Caliber 2 had an interesting push back system).
It is specifically the parry mechanic. But the thing is, this parry is so different to every other game's parry mechanic in that it doesnt allow the enemy to be predictable at ALL. In games like sf4 there are literally block combos to build meter. In this game, if you try to do the same sequence of inputs again, a good player will fucking destroy you for it
its just boomers, sf3 is a crazily unbalanced game and theres a reason outside of goofball exhibs like this you only ever see four characters in the roster used.
@@mattb6616 I like third strike but it has its own problems. Namely character balance unlike what Aris thinks. Game is horribly unbalanced at the top level. Aris is talking about these mechanics but he's really only talking about the parry mechanic.
@@mattb6616 unfair criticism, there has not been a balance patch in 25 years or so. Of course if there was big prize money involved everyone would pick the top 2-3 chars in 3S in a tournament setting, the game is clearly not balanced but that's not why people play it.
Social media ruined street fighter because capcom has not been able to allow a meta to emerge from their community since this game. There is an immediate backlash with tiers that are definitive or systems that dumber players rarely engage with or practice
but everyone isnt broken rofl. nobody plays half the cast because everyone thinks they suck. every tournament is 50 chuns and yuns and kens with like 5 character hardliners
Say what, stoner?. Just in this highlight alone, you just saw Ryu, Necro, Ibuki, Twelve and Yang. This ain't your average mall tournament packed-full of scrubs, y'know?. 😂
@@manuelpatino7863 yeah, it aint your average tournament because it's not a real tournament, it's an exhibition for fun played in a team format with single elimination lol. jebailey is playing in this.
@@manuelpatino7863 good system mechanics plus top tier character and you have an advantage. There's a reason why tons of people pick Chun li in this game and ain't because of her thighs.
those tournaments are FT2/FT3, coop in FT1 and anything can happen in one game when you just fought an opponent for the first time and have very little info on them. Broken is sort of relative, you can say that someone like Denjin Ryu is extremely broken because of how he can rob you, put that in any other game and he'd be broken but he's like uppermid or high tier at best in 3S.
@@manuelpatino7863 Your comment is an average braindead stoner comment, though. If the people in this tournament were genuinely tryharding to win, they'd all be Chun/Yun/Ken. No one bothers anymore because we all know Chun ruins the game.
Cvs2 is not balanced, like at all. Roll cancelling, while you can argue gives even low-tiers new tools to work with also makes already strong chars stronger, blanka sagat iori for example. Id argue alpha 3 is more balanced, but V-ism kills X-ism so hard that char variety within X just dies.
problem is, 3rd Strike really only has two cheap characters. Yeah, the game is busted, but only Chun and Yun are really OP. The one thing after them is Akuma tatsu, that's it. The high tiers are so far above everyone else it's gross. Urien, with his unblockables, still mid tier. MK9 is the prime example of everyone being broken. What did the grand finals always look like? Kabal/Cyrax. The statement of everyone being cheap so no one is, it's false.
God damn, Aris really reveals himself to be a massive FG boomer whenever he talks about 3S. 3S is a HORRIBLY balanced. The only reason so many characters are played is because the game has been out for 200 years and oldhead boomers are naturally going to gravitate towards their niche picks over the years of Ken/Chun/Yun/boredom and stick with them, and because of parries. Parries help level the playing field because they're the strongest mechanic in the game. Nothing else really matters if you can parry reasonably well and know your character somewhat well. A huge % of their commonly used applications are pretty easy to get down if you actually spend time with the game. And even with them, the game is terribly balanced. No one would ever say "Remy or Twelve are actually just fine!" if parries weren't extremely, overbearingly strong compared to everything else. Even with parries helping even the odds, Chun/Yun are 100000% massively, objectively better than low tiers. I love 3S and it is indeed a shitload of fun. But parries are too strong of a mechanic and there's a reason they'll never come back. A lot of people love to coom over the "theoretical infinite skill ceiling" but parries aren't a good mechanic unless you genuinely want the game to be all about parries. Don't listen to FG boomers.
@@KarasawaL30 Your comment comes from a place of being upset. Wtf are you talking about? How about "stupid ass, useless comments that don't add anything but toddler-level dunk attempts"? I think you've won the "what's worse?" competition.
@@jaykelley103 oh I don’t mean the actual full game but that too maybe lol. Mainly playing the demo or cracked beta parsec 😅 those are the ways I’d imagine people are playing it, I’ve only been playing the demo as of late
Nothing can take away the impact third strike has had on the FGC as a whole. It’s a all time classic. But I don’t think the parry is perfect. I think it can be both great to use, and see spectators wise but abit too much to deal with defensively. Requiring a ton of practice and execution on the entire cast. It’s a daunting game, even more than tekken imo but man it’s sick lol. I wouldn’t agree with aris that there hasn’t been a street fighter that’s been enjoyable since 3S, 5 was good but it had some annoying characters and some characters dominated the game, and annoying elements like crush counter with priority system. Just felt stupid lol but was fun for awhile in season 1 and 2 for me. SF4 was also pretty good, and a solid street fighter through its life, yes there were os’s and wakeups you had to deal with that allowed some players to steamroll you if didn’t know how to deal with it, but learning how to deal with any specific Situation is apart of any fighting game. I feel it’s abit disingenuous to say there hasn’t been a fun sf since 3S while in the same breath say SF4 was fun to watch lol. I feel Aris has funny opinions sometimes. SF6 i feel is heading in the right direction, but hope it shapes up well
DBfighter Z is another one of those games where almost every character is viable because of the system mechanics. But of course Aris will never play it 😆.
People complain about how clunky the lack of input buffer and shit maks shit makes a gems like melee feel because your input is your input no matter what. But imo that shit feels good when you Crack that first layer. Idk how tight 3S is UT 3S feels good to play years later too
"if the akuma player is mexican enough, you arent touching the ground." has gotta be top 5 comments about 3s I've ever heard
"How many characters have we seen today?" He says while watching a tournament with rules specifically designed to force character variety.
Details are invisible to stoners.
Hey man alright
@@sc065 Tengu stoners
How are the rules "forcing character variety"?
@gemini4lyfe3001 did you not see the vid? It's woke af.
wanted dumplings, got a foot attached to a super
If you're a coomer - it ain't half bad, all things considering.
bad luck brian
the foot clan strikes when you least expect.
Just got off of work. Got home and a new video drops. Got me some coffee and time to relax.
Hey alright
Dear diary
Got home. Got air fried steak. Aris time.
This video was my childhood
Hey, pour me some!
Aris always sounds so happy talking 3S
3rd Strike is LIFE!!! 3rd Strike is CRACK!!!!
They should do the next Coop Cup at least 500 yards from a school so Kuroda can come back
What?
@@aquaspecter he tried to rape a 14 year old child
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Such a shame. That guy inspired me into staying as Q and trying to learn parrying... I'm still a bit upset about that.
@@OGMudbum what did Kuroda do?
Even with the forced character variety in the tournament it was still funny to see the grand finals come down to a Chun mirror. Gotta love 3S.
Never gonna unsee that fd up Chun finger
Man you would think they could draw it better
Agreed. They ain't made a SF game this fun since this game. 3rd Strike is the pinnacle of the Street Fighter series.
Facts but casuals and the so-called "hardcore" SF heads as well as Capcom havent figured that shit out yet...everything now is "easy mode"....shit even Tekken 8 is going the "easy mode" route 🤦🏾♂️
Fun is objective. Normally people who grew up during Aris time see 3S as a cult classic. Not saying it's good or bad, it's purely objective. SFIV people will called that game the best for example.
people can talk about how much better the balance could be in 3rd strike, but there's something so magical about every aspect of 3rd strike imo. def a GOAT fighting game 🙂
It just needs one more balance patch, it's been 25 years. It's literally only had 3 updates, how many balance patches and updates, bug fixes did SF4, SF5 get? Shitting on old games because of bad balance is always a low blow because the developers have no idea what people playing a game for 20+ years nonstop will come up with when it takes them a year to make a game in the first place.
A slightly nerfed chun li and ken would make 3rd strike perfect. Those two characters are so easy that it's toxic to the scene.
@@HarmonicResonanceScale exactly. The problem isnt that they are cheap, but that their cheap shit is fairly trivial to pull off. Imagine if urien aegis unblockables were easy and didnt require weird charge partition bs
3S obviously means a lot of things to a lot of people and it really does seem like a game you could play forever with even opponents but MAN, does it allow for some armchair experts. Can't think of another game that brings out people who talk more out of their A$$ than 3S
XRD is the only other game I can think of
"this guy can't block chicken wing on wake up?! he's such a fucking scrub!" - third strike dad in his 40s who has to pick up his kids after work
it is seen as THE game to be good at. everybody wants to pretend for prestige and what not
It's because of its popularity. Usually you can tell who's bullshitting even if you don't play the game.
GOOD! Do you have ANY faqin idea how it looks like everywhere else? Buncha Socrateses talking and arguing about how the felt during cutscenes when the pixels moved from one end of the screen to the other. This a video game, talk about the gameplay or square off to netflix!
anyway, yugioh
I understand some of the complaints levied at 3S, there's truth to it, but it doesn't matter because the game is just extremely fun. It's so fast and there's never been another SF game with so much freedom in your choices and how you move. The system mechanics (parry) just open up the possibilities in the game in so many interactions and you hardly ever get that kind of experience in any other fighting game, that's why you'll always see this game played because of how unique it is not just in the SF world but fighting games as a whole no matter how many new fighting games come up. It's not balanced but like Aris said the open endedness of the game allows you to always have an answer even if you are at a disadvantage, whereas an S+ character in another SF game it's straight up unwinnable because of how limited you are. That's also what many players like Daigo dislike about it what parry can do in those oki situations, and the freedom of the system mechanics allows questionable OSs, but that's what makes 3S unique and special and free, if you take that away it would just be a boring SF game #1000. At least the developers had the balls to make a change and really open up the game, there's tons of other "traditional" SFs you can play but you won't get another experience in other fighting game like 3S.
If you were drowning, I'd shoot you.
Listen to this man. He double P'd Nica KO.
@@dkblade27 damn that's tight. Nica can play any character
@@dkblade27 lol don't gas me up like that 😅
People need to stop pretending parry is the magical bandaid that enables the fun in 3S when it's really the cause of a lot of imbalance. Parry favors characters with good punishes, which is why bad characters like Oro, Hugo, and Q can pop off while losers like Remy, 12, and Sean are lucky if they get more than just a throw. But at the end of the day all these guys are going to lose more often than not to the characters with god normals and even more cheap bullshit up their sleeves.
The problem is half the Third Strike roster is not cheap. Some suck while others are gods lol.
MK9 is a great example of everyone being cheap.
I think Xrd succeeds in that as well. Even the worst character in the game has unblockable setups.
MK9, everyone has at least one broken aspect to them.
a 4th version with a few small balance changes and a playable gill would be so cool. They could do us a solid and add the stages from the previous versions too
One can dream. The key word is *small* balance changes. Not a complete left turn into kusoge territory like that 4rd strike rom hack bs
@@jaykelley103 yeah, 4 strike does have some good ideas though, like giving alex DDT an air option against standing targets on the ground, that was genius.
We could have had that during the 3s online era the some vocal minority didn't allow it so we got the exact same game.
@@jaykelley103 All you'd have to do is touch on the top 2 or 3 and the bottom 3 and you could leave everyone else alone.
@@jaykelley103 that shit is trash....the balance changes are simple....give Sean his 2nd Impact Tatsu and DP and his target combo link into Sa1 or Sa3....Ibuki needs one of her supers back from 2nd Impact and Remy needs to be able to link off crouching mk....thats it nobody else needs to be touched
3rd Strike is the only Street Fighter that doesn't make me wanna throw up when I look at it.
Alpha series looks nice too but yeah all the 3d ones look like the characters have downs. 6 included
thought I was the only one, that and super turbo
“And it’s attached to a super!?”😂😂
Aris’ wit is so unique. It’s not something you can achieve through practice either. It’s a natural Aris brand of comedy that can only come from being fat, bald, having gout and living in Commiefornia. Thanks green man. May your days be long upon this Earph.
hey alright
Commiefornia is trash but aris is tight
nice 200 word essay amigo keep it down, will ya?
Thanks for the update
Same thing with MK9
Everyone was broken
honestly i think tekkens balance is pretty good, take away akuma and its solid
@@Ninjabob568 true, apart from Akuma T7 is very balanced
@@Ninjabob568 umm y'all forgetting Leroy Smith 😂
mk9 was fucking sick (ive never played it)
@@tonyinfinite5174 Leroy got nerfed and isnt as broken as he was at his launch
for high level stoners
"If Everybody Is Cheap, Nobody Is Cheap"
its a quote from shrek 2
What if two of those characters are 10x as cheap as everyone else?
Yun keeper-Jin loops are always the sickest shit ever
Same as killer instinct
I don't think this tournament is a good example, this tournament placed restrictions on character choices by limiting how many of any character you could have on your team. This tournament is more of a fun get together nothing is on the line so of course you will see character variety. Also I'm pretty sure some of the choices are counter picks to other top tier characters. This is a also a team tournament where you only need to beat someone in one game to advance, giving the person no opportunity to adapt. So picking less used characters is encouraged because you can steal games with a knowledge check.
the result is always the same. Chun/Yun. You can structure a tournament any way you want, but as long as those two characters exist, this is what the final will always be. This is why 3S wasn't a mainstay during major tournaments. It's a Chun/Yun show every time.
@@WutTheDeuceGaming most surface leveled take i have ever seen
just admit you've never played it lol
I think the magic stopped with 3s because it was the last true arcade game for Capcom. Yes, Japan still has arcades and SF4 was released first in the arcade, but they were already dead across the world outside of maybe Japan and Korea. I remember 3's, MVSC2, X-men vs Street Fighter, and Soul Calibur 2 at the arcades and even grocery stores had these cabinets. So these games had an insane amount of people playing them all the time finding new tech. It captured the true essence of fighting games. Now we have some A.I created soulless fighting games like SF5 that just feels dead. There's no charm to it. The "arcades" are now virtually created inside SF6 that's only accessible online.
I like when he was talking about how 12 can still be ok 12 is punished for hitting a combo lol
Aris is gonna come back to Street Fighter with SF6, the grand return of systems-based balance
There's still a lot of limitations in the system mechanics, although they definitely at least tried to make it more "loose" vs SF5. 3S is so loose in it's mechanics it's like you are walking on clouds sometimes.
Nah, he's going to make lame excuses for why it's shit after a few weeks then go back to playing random $7 horror games and talking about MvC2/3S being cool once every 4 months. I guarantee you, he'll try to convince people 6 is shit. Dude is just over the hill.
@@sc065 Hey alright, nobody gives a fuck. Anyway, hope you're having a nice day amigo.
@@sc065 SF6 is shit though. Less characters, woke trash, DLC crap.
@@Sol-De-Invierno Peak Aris fan. Stay in school.
Aris showing off his degree in phenomenology philosophy
LMAO at Aris saying some people prefer pretty girls while 2 Remys are on screen
As a wise man once said: "if you don't scare, I don't scare".
This game is a lot like +R. +R wears its influence on its sleeve. Every character broken, but everyone can win based on the system. Parry and SB are basically the same thing.
Only idiots thing Xrd is similar.
Slashback isn't used a lot, it's just that even the lower tier characters got cheap stuff. Kusoge moment.
Slashback is more situational than a 3S parry. Generally though I agree with the rest of what you said.
+R is much more balanced than this game. The gap between top tiers and bottom tiers in 3S is massive compared to +R
Every character can win but a lot of +R matchups are absolutely brutal, which changes a characters ideal interactions and situations a lot.
lol n0pants going for full yt points with the censors
I wonder if advertisers really say "We dont want our ads on people who curse." or is it really youtube with their weird social engineering?
rewatchin this, sumn one in chat said "makoter". this right here
Soulcalibur 2 is so great It's rare to see people praise it like you do best 3D fighter of that gen hands down Tekken 5 doesn't come close in my mind.
A parry sfx would be a nice censorship
" I never liked that finger " LOL
I never noticed tht table until now
I dont understand why Aris is downplaying Tekkens systems. I think that game more than exemplifies the idea of player skill with the game and mechanics over simply character balance. The generic options everyone has is a system in itself when a character has 100 unique attacks. This is after he just finished justifying how many miracles you need to best a true Mexican Akumer.
All he is saying is the balance in tekken is boring because characters don't really have strengths and weaknesses highlighted they basically all have the same tools
What he's _really_ saying is that the standardizations in 3S & SCII are cooler. While he is wearing rose-tinted glasses, he did admit 3S is not truly balanced.
*LIGHTNING!*
praising 3S for it’s balance atpCap atpBigot
Another game to add to your list: Virtua Fighter 5. I call it open vs closed system. Hence why 3rd strike will always stand the test of time. Pretty sure max talked about this too. Here’s hoping sf6 gets added to the list. It’s interesting how setplay was a thing in 3rd strike but didn’t ruin the experience because of the parry system.
Nice essay, amigo.
@@wompastompa3692 it’s not that bad…. Solid paragraph, tops.
I think he called it the most loose closed fighting game lol, which is kinda accurate. The developers of VF tightly knit what you can and can't do, but there's so much you can do in that space that it allows of a lot of player expression and possibilities. Too bad people used to call VF "chairs" because nobody plays it.
@@saado99 thanks, you’re absolutely right. I think this is what is missing in modern fighting games. When you lose, you get triggered because there wasn’t a lot you could have done besides not let that situation happen. Versus losing and being like “damn, I should have done .” With parries, you always feel powerful, even on defense. With an open system, you can even have more character variety because no one particular archetype is too OP.
dying for coop cup full vod
n0swearing
this video should be title aris love letter to 3rd strike
5:24 Savage
dudley trying to get some dumplins :]
Chat got wrecked by Lord Aris
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Street Fighter 4 was rancid ass from beginning to end, and I will die on that hill. 3rd Strike still the greatest SF game after all these years
True. The parry and guard push in Soul Calibur 2 is such a broken system that if you're against someone spamming attacks, you can use your knowledge and parry that shit to oblivion. I've seen people parry each other over and over again until time expired.
i love system mechanics
that genei jin hp hp hp hp hp on crouching gouki
“Makoto can kill Akuma in one hit” almost everyone except twelve can. And necro has over 30 different touch of deaths on Akuma and he’s far from op
Masterful command of grammar on the apostrophe there n0pants
“Xrd? Who even heard of that trash? No offense, I just like making fun of things that suck.”
classic
It’s crazy how good this game looks still. Still looks better than 4 and 5
6 looks good but weird at the same time
if only everyone was cheap in third strike
A lot of people don't understand what when "everybody's cheap, nobody's cheap" means but Aris explained it pretty well. It's a lot more about the system mechanics being cheap than the characters themselves.
This is why DNF fell off while HnK is still seeing play like 100 years later even though HnK is way more broken.
The "parries help level the playing field" thing is true to an extent, but 3S isn't a good example of "everybody's cheap" even considering parries. Chun is fucking cheap, Yun is fucking cheap, Ken is absurdly well-rounded and approaching cheap, you could make arguments for Akuma, even Denjin Ryu, but Alex, Q, Sean, Remy, Twelve... they are not cheap in any sense of the word.
@@sc065 Sure you meant to say Q not G, but I think part of it comes from how the more popular "cheap" characters have generally been labbed against for decades while some (not all - Alex can't catch a break) of the weaker characters still have their own rarer if weaker gimmicks and parry to cover for predictable play.
The systems are strong enough to carry players and there is a little bit of sauce from Sean and Remy even if it is context sensitive and not free neutral options like what Yun or Chun Li have.
@@thelastgogeta Yes ofc Q. I play a lot of 3S and 5, can't remember my letters. Remy certainly has lots of sauce, I know an extremely good local Remy player that I can't touch.
@sc065 I didn't say the low-tier characters are cheap. I said parries are cheap which lets the weak characters pull off some wild bullshit. Yeah, Chun is cheap but she still has to respect the threat of getting parried because 3S is a very explosive game. One parry is all it takes to turn things around or straight up kill you depending on the character. Q is a bad character but you fucking die if he parries you.
@@N00BSYBORG I know what you mean but I struggle to consider a mechanic "cheap" when everyone has access to it. But whatever you call it, yes it's a strong universal system mechanic.
My issue with Aris's explanation is that he's also literally saying every character has some cheap shit even in the same universe as what top-tiers can do, which isn't true. Low-tiers can just squeak by with a few extra parries while their top-tier opponents need half or less of the same opportunities.
TF2 and DotA are better examples of "when everyone's cheap, no one is."
You know your passion for the game is really what people need to see. Every character is sick even if it's a bitch Yun or a slimey Makoto, everyone is cool, and everyone is a bitch. This game is sick and cheap and we should all love every character.
I agree
Would be interested to read from someone what exactly the 'game system' Aris keeps referring to that is implicit to Third Strike's balance despite the balance issues that are there. Is it specifically the implementation of 3s' parry mechanic? Is it some sort of nuance to push back on a per character basis (I recall that Soul Caliber 2 had an interesting push back system).
It is specifically the parry mechanic. But the thing is, this parry is so different to every other game's parry mechanic in that it doesnt allow the enemy to be predictable at ALL. In games like sf4 there are literally block combos to build meter. In this game, if you try to do the same sequence of inputs again, a good player will fucking destroy you for it
its just boomers, sf3 is a crazily unbalanced game and theres a reason outside of goofball exhibs like this you only ever see four characters in the roster used.
@@mattb6616 I like third strike but it has its own problems. Namely character balance unlike what Aris thinks. Game is horribly unbalanced at the top level.
Aris is talking about these mechanics but he's really only talking about the parry mechanic.
@@mattb6616 unfair criticism, there has not been a balance patch in 25 years or so. Of course if there was big prize money involved everyone would pick the top 2-3 chars in 3S in a tournament setting, the game is clearly not balanced but that's not why people play it.
@@mattb6616 u sound like someone that uses modern controls in sf6 because a qcf is too hard for you
5:28 LMFAO
What is this legendary “Mexican akuma”?
i love this stuff. some fightan lessons? gimme that shet
Omagaru Kage
Aris: Third Strike is a cheap game
Commentator: ...it is a cheap game...
Aris: See?!
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Social media ruined street fighter because capcom has not been able to allow a meta to emerge from their community since this game. There is an immediate backlash with tiers that are definitive or systems that dumber players rarely engage with or practice
Anyone know where the full vod is?
but everyone isnt broken rofl. nobody plays half the cast because everyone thinks they suck. every tournament is 50 chuns and yuns and kens with like 5 character hardliners
Say what, stoner?. Just in this highlight alone, you just saw Ryu, Necro, Ibuki, Twelve and Yang. This ain't your average mall tournament packed-full of scrubs, y'know?. 😂
@@manuelpatino7863 yeah, it aint your average tournament because it's not a real tournament, it's an exhibition for fun played in a team format with single elimination lol. jebailey is playing in this.
@@manuelpatino7863 good system mechanics plus top tier character and you have an advantage. There's a reason why tons of people pick Chun li in this game and ain't because of her thighs.
those tournaments are FT2/FT3, coop in FT1 and anything can happen in one game when you just fought an opponent for the first time and have very little info on them. Broken is sort of relative, you can say that someone like Denjin Ryu is extremely broken because of how he can rob you, put that in any other game and he'd be broken but he's like uppermid or high tier at best in 3S.
@@manuelpatino7863 Your comment is an average braindead stoner comment, though. If the people in this tournament were genuinely tryharding to win, they'd all be Chun/Yun/Ken. No one bothers anymore because we all know Chun ruins the game.
Cvs2 is not balanced, like at all. Roll cancelling, while you can argue gives even low-tiers new tools to work with also makes already strong chars stronger, blanka sagat iori for example. Id argue alpha 3 is more balanced, but V-ism kills X-ism so hard that char variety within X just dies.
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The aris ai is correct. The other sf games are just shitty tutorials for 3s
Tekken 7 is to balance even season 3, and 4 feel like season 2 is the best of t7 because characters have something unique with them that my opinion.
I think characters now are way less shitty. No one is sfiv of sfv is as bad as Sean or even twelve
problem is, 3rd Strike really only has two cheap characters. Yeah, the game is busted, but only Chun and Yun are really OP. The one thing after them is Akuma tatsu, that's it. The high tiers are so far above everyone else it's gross. Urien, with his unblockables, still mid tier.
MK9 is the prime example of everyone being broken. What did the grand finals always look like? Kabal/Cyrax. The statement of everyone being cheap so no one is, it's false.
do you even play this game
@@mildsome9713 Right? Completely skips over Ken and Makoto and bitches about Akuma's tatsu lmao.
"The one thing after them is Akuma tatsu" 😂
@@Unit_00 Finally, I found one of you bastards in the wild. Fuck you and your booger unblockables lol. You're a villain! lmao
People who only care about balance and think that's the most important thing out here telling on themselves
God damn, Aris really reveals himself to be a massive FG boomer whenever he talks about 3S.
3S is a HORRIBLY balanced. The only reason so many characters are played is because the game has been out for 200 years and oldhead boomers are naturally going to gravitate towards their niche picks over the years of Ken/Chun/Yun/boredom and stick with them, and because of parries.
Parries help level the playing field because they're the strongest mechanic in the game. Nothing else really matters if you can parry reasonably well and know your character somewhat well. A huge % of their commonly used applications are pretty easy to get down if you actually spend time with the game. And even with them, the game is terribly balanced.
No one would ever say "Remy or Twelve are actually just fine!" if parries weren't extremely, overbearingly strong compared to everything else. Even with parries helping even the odds, Chun/Yun are 100000% massively, objectively better than low tiers.
I love 3S and it is indeed a shitload of fun. But parries are too strong of a mechanic and there's a reason they'll never come back. A lot of people love to coom over the "theoretical infinite skill ceiling" but parries aren't a good mechanic unless you genuinely want the game to be all about parries. Don't listen to FG boomers.
whats worse, FG Boomers talking about an old game they like or people in TH-cam comments being upset about it
@@KarasawaL30 Your comment comes from a place of being upset. Wtf are you talking about?
How about "stupid ass, useless comments that don't add anything but toddler-level dunk attempts"? I think you've won the "what's worse?" competition.
@@KarasawaL30 All these fgc boomers always praise third strike i honestly dont see the hype about this game its old and clunky very boring lol.
I’d rather have 10 FG boomers than a single FG zoomer
@@moon-berserker8870 Just say you're trash at fighting games with no comeback mechanics. Old and clunky? Game's literally faster than 4 and 5 lol
hi nopantz if aris reacted to hworang trailer please post it
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A comparison too cheap but fun is a Tekken 5.
*cough* DNF *cough*
Gold for the fgc
This is the only opinion
10 fr parry window , Scrub game
used to really only play 3rd strike but now sf6 is my favorite
Sf6 isnt out yet
@@jaykelley103 there are still ways to play it but you’re right
@@furious_malic7808 damn they got the bootleg on lock? That's wild as af lmao. They were passing around one of the zelda game a couple weeks ago too
@@jaykelley103 oh I don’t mean the actual full game but that too maybe lol. Mainly playing the demo or cracked beta parsec 😅 those are the ways I’d imagine people are playing it, I’ve only been playing the demo as of late
Nothing can take away the impact third strike has had on the FGC as a whole. It’s a all time classic. But I don’t think the parry is perfect. I think it can be both great to use, and see spectators wise but abit too much to deal with defensively. Requiring a ton of practice and execution on the entire cast. It’s a daunting game, even more than tekken imo but man it’s sick lol. I wouldn’t agree with aris that there hasn’t been a street fighter that’s been enjoyable since 3S, 5 was good but it had some annoying characters and some characters dominated the game, and annoying elements like crush counter with priority system. Just felt stupid lol but was fun for awhile in season 1 and 2 for me. SF4 was also pretty good, and a solid street fighter through its life, yes there were os’s and wakeups you had to deal with that allowed some players to steamroll you if didn’t know how to deal with it, but learning how to deal with any specific Situation is apart of any fighting game. I feel it’s abit disingenuous to say there hasn’t been a fun sf since 3S while in the same breath say SF4 was fun to watch lol. I feel Aris has funny opinions sometimes. SF6 i feel is heading in the right direction, but hope it shapes up well
i mainly play anime. but X. R. D. cracked me up.
NO ONE fucks with Dudley.
why do i watch this stoner everyday its so bizarre
Chun 🍑Cheeks, Now That's GUD Meat🍖
Broken fighting games are the best. Take guilty gear for example. Everybody does dumb broken shit. Even the worst character has some scummy tech.
aris would love dnf duel
As long as it's Anime, he will not touch it.
I mean SF4 and 5 are fun to play, but yeah they ain’t as fun as 3S
First the news and now n0pants censoring Aris.
best souls 2 has the best pvp cause of the same reason
DBfighter Z is another one of those games where almost every character is viable because of the system mechanics.
But of course Aris will never play it 😆.
Aris surprisingly gave it a shot like 5 years ago ~ but yeah he doesn't play anime fighters at all. I don't blame him.
fucking hilarious these sfv players in the chat crying about balancing 3rd strike 😂😂😂😂
!who
sfv does have better balance than third strike
@@deviljinmishima no shit really ??? Y u think that is ? Please tell me y there was so many updates to garbage fighter 5 ?
@@AG-wf2qw maybe third strike would be a good game if it got that many updates as well lol
@@deviljinmishima lmao 3rd strike is far superior to sfv....wht do u mean by good game ?
Hes right. Other than 3rd strike and SoulC 2, and Melee,
Every other game doesnt allow "potential"
People complain about how clunky the lack of input buffer and shit maks shit makes a gems like melee feel because your input is your input no matter what. But imo that shit feels good when you Crack that first layer. Idk how tight 3S is UT 3S feels good to play years later too
Thoughts are trash and dumb to smoke
This game sucks
first hehe lol
third strike is a zoomer game
Damn we gotta censor now??
n0pants gotta eat
@@macsarts1389 and gotta pay for them gacha.