This was so much fun! It's always great to talk about the ups and downs of historical context with someone else who's not afraid to confront it. Now everyone go get thyself a Robin blouse pattern and join us in having comfy vintage summer clothes 💚
When she talks about modern being less structured and not tailored, I was like yes and that’s why wedding and other fancy dresses can fit better because often they get altered and fitted to the person
I have a lot of respect for you two and the ethics you bring to historical dress & costuming especially as folks around my own age. It's really inspiring and validating to hear other people talk about wearing historical/ly inspired items of clothing with modern clothing and mixing eras together. I made a medieval hood this spring specifically to wear during the cold winters at university and I'm already looking forward to bicycling around campus in it doing my everyday activities... in a garment that belongs 700 years into the past! Another reason I like the approach of mixing and matching and wearing historical Clothing not Costume is that it frees up new areas of gender expression to combine in unexpected ways; I wish there were more of that in this hobby community. Thanks so much for this series of awesome videos!
oooh yes! I love exploring the way that gender expression changes depending on the place and time period. The social construct of gender is continuing to evolve so bring in a piece of the past is already automatically not following the modern gendered social construct about how people are supposed to look. It's quite fun to explore
One thing I always found interesting is that the cylindrical kimono silhouette actually arises in the 1920s. As anthropologist Liza Dalby points out, late Meiji period actually pads out the bust and ties the obi to form almost a bustle. This is after Western fashions came in and subsequently out of fashion. So it's entirely plausible that both trends were echoing Western silhouettes, with the flat columnar kimono shape becoming fossilized.
Nothing like two women nerding on about fashion with huge smiles on their faces 🤩 thank you so much for your work. I hope everyone who reads this gets to wear what makes them happy!
Holy fuck. 0:56 ... Just pure icons, so badass, and the ability to put kinda nerdy and nische interests and politics together. Am in love with you, no doubt
I always enjoy both of your channels, but this collaboration is amazing! Also, I can absolutely identify with your difficulty of dealing with a bi-racial identification. I love how you address this and will start looking for more ways to blend the two sides into a personal fashion. You are both so inspiring! Thank you for being willing to talk about these things.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE that you mix your heritage in your historical dresses, it’s so significant and amazing to see! You both are so intelligent and inspiring, I don’t know why I discover you so late!
I'm someone who also struggles with standard sizing because my body has very non-standard proportions xD However, I think it would be worth to also mention that standard sizes came about when clothes became more affordable in a wider variety for ordinary people because they were mass produced. Of course, this also came with extremely exploitative labour, but the arrival of mass production and standard sizes was *also* a good thing for the lower classes.
this was very fun to watch! i honestly wish more people in the historical costuming community would put more emphasis on the, well, history. it feels a little to me like sometimes people are more content to wear pretty dresses and turn a blind eye to the not-so-pretty context behind them (re: people dressing up in 1860s clothing at plantations and somehow not realising how insensitive they’re being). i appreciate the acknowledgement that there needs to be nuance in discussions like these.
Even the word “plantation” seems to have become disconnected from its not-so-pretty context in American English. When I as a Norwegian think “plantation”, I of think fields and orchards and agriculture, and not at all of fancy big houses.
My goodness, I loved everything about this conversation. Nothing interesting to add, I just want to express my admiration for both of you and your approaches to clothing!!
On the going into a shop in clothing of a different era: Two high school friends and I were once cast as chorus nuns in a community theater production of The Sound of Music. If you know the show, there's quite a while in the middle where most of the nuns do not appear. There was no real backstage area in the venue, and since it was summer, we usually just played cards or Mastermind on the lawn behind the building till we were on again. Yep, three "nuns" in old-style habits sitting on the grass playing poker. One afternoon during a matinee we got hungry and strolled down to the Taco Time to order some food--in character, more or less. Sister Mary Katherine, Sister Mary Julia, and Sister Mary Rachel sure got some funny looks.
Fantastic talk! I'm sure I'm not the first person to suggest this (and I'm sure it's more work than it's worth), but I can see "no costuming without context" being an excellent podcast series :)
i absolutely LOVED this video and completely agree with everything you two said! you've definitely inspired me to look into making clothes that better connect to myself and my background, so thank you both for this video! (also your outfits in this video are SO CUTE)
"No Costumes Without Context" is such a great concise way to sum this up. Lovely conversation, really liked the editing. I'm a white American, and when I got into historical costuming, I didn't feel like I had much defining style to look to. I found out I was completely wrong when I started looking into my family history and engaging with regional fashions that way. Like the wooden soled boots they wore in County Durham where my great-grandfather and his family were from. If there any White Americans who are feeling "left out" because they're trying not to be appropriative, this would be a great direction to go, I think. Nowadays, however, I'm having a harder time. I converted to Judaism last year and it's really changed how I can interact with historical clothing. For example: I want to make a costume for the local Renaissance Faire. This is kind of my only chance to really show off my interest in historical costuming, so I don't want to go the fantasy route. The problem is that the scenario of the fair is Elizabethan England, and there were (essentially) no Jews in England between 1290 and 1655. An entire, very popular genre on historical play is just... kinda gone now. My goyische friends don't understand why I've got my boxers in a bunch about it, but @SnappyDragon said it well: It not just a religion, it's a culture. Like, I joined a people, not a synagogue. And now I have to deal with a lot of terrible history every time I try to look into the regional dress of Jews in basically any country in any time period. Yellow badges, yellow hats, yellow head scarves. (Plus as a convert, I feel weird thinking of wearing identifying symbols as part of a historic outfit, like Snappydragon mentioned) Maybe I'll just do late 1600s and be visibly out of sync. On a more positive note, I'm getting into tailoring, and working around the sha'atnetz is kind of interesting, cuz it *could* actually be visibly Jewish. Stiffening in suits and such tend to be done using linen buckram, so if I make a wool jacket, I'd had to use canvas or horsehair instead, which has a different effect. Plus incorporating the tallit katan into an outfit and the Chasidic custom of buttoning right-over-left could really work. Sorry for such a long comment. I've been thinking about this a lot -_-;
this is so good. I became interested in historal dress and wanted clothingthe fit me but have small budget. I also wanted to tailor my clothing to be eco conscious. I went down a good rabbit and found V and other historical costubers along the way. I didn't know there was this whole other world of ethical issues of history and historical dress but now because of historical costube and ethical people like V I know more and can ethically make history clothes that mean something to me. remembering the dress and cultures of our ancestors keeps them alive and their traditions alive connecting us too them. I'm so glad to carry this on and teach my kids. I wouldnlkve more wholesome videos of frolicking and important conversations on wearing other centuries cloth everyday and how to do good research (possibly in other languages you don't speak)and how to ethically make your period based clothing the best you can on modernism obsession with synthetic fibers
Very cool discussion about clothes and politics. Have either of you read 'Dress Codes' ISBN 9781501180088? I was curious if it was a good book since it sounds like part of your theme here.
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This was so much fun! It's always great to talk about the ups and downs of historical context with someone else who's not afraid to confront it.
Now everyone go get thyself a Robin blouse pattern and join us in having comfy vintage summer clothes 💚
Dressmaking as a Kosher practice. I love that. Thank you for sharing that.
- Cathy (&, accidently, Steve), Ottawa/Bytown/Pimisi
When she talks about modern being less structured and not tailored, I was like yes and that’s why wedding and other fancy dresses can fit better because often they get altered and fitted to the person
True! It's also one of the reasons why celebrities usually look better in casual (or fancy) outfits, because they're tailored to their bodies
I have a lot of respect for you two and the ethics you bring to historical dress & costuming especially as folks around my own age. It's really inspiring and validating to hear other people talk about wearing historical/ly inspired items of clothing with modern clothing and mixing eras together. I made a medieval hood this spring specifically to wear during the cold winters at university and I'm already looking forward to bicycling around campus in it doing my everyday activities... in a garment that belongs 700 years into the past! Another reason I like the approach of mixing and matching and wearing historical Clothing not Costume is that it frees up new areas of gender expression to combine in unexpected ways; I wish there were more of that in this hobby community.
Thanks so much for this series of awesome videos!
oooh yes! I love exploring the way that gender expression changes depending on the place and time period. The social construct of gender is continuing to evolve so bring in a piece of the past is already automatically not following the modern gendered social construct about how people are supposed to look. It's quite fun to explore
One thing I always found interesting is that the cylindrical kimono silhouette actually arises in the 1920s. As anthropologist Liza Dalby points out, late Meiji period actually pads out the bust and ties the obi to form almost a bustle. This is after Western fashions came in and subsequently out of fashion. So it's entirely plausible that both trends were echoing Western silhouettes, with the flat columnar kimono shape becoming fossilized.
5:42: 90% of my blouse arm holes are so long, my undergarment ALWAYS shows. Frustrating
Same!! or I'll have a "fitted" t shirt that looks REALLY weird because the way the arms eyes are cut is really strange
Nothing like two women nerding on about fashion with huge smiles on their faces 🤩 thank you so much for your work. I hope everyone who reads this gets to wear what makes them happy!
Holy fuck. 0:56 ... Just pure icons, so badass, and the ability to put kinda nerdy and nische interests and politics together.
Am in love with you, no doubt
And omg the end is so cute!!
I always enjoy both of your channels, but this collaboration is amazing!
Also, I can absolutely identify with your difficulty of dealing with a bi-racial identification. I love how you address this and will start looking for more ways to blend the two sides into a personal fashion. You are both so inspiring! Thank you for being willing to talk about these things.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE that you mix your heritage in your historical dresses, it’s so significant and amazing to see! You both are so intelligent and inspiring, I don’t know why I discover you so late!
I'm someone who also struggles with standard sizing because my body has very non-standard proportions xD However, I think it would be worth to also mention that standard sizes came about when clothes became more affordable in a wider variety for ordinary people because they were mass produced. Of course, this also came with extremely exploitative labour, but the arrival of mass production and standard sizes was *also* a good thing for the lower classes.
this was very fun to watch! i honestly wish more people in the historical costuming community would put more emphasis on the, well, history. it feels a little to me like sometimes people are more content to wear pretty dresses and turn a blind eye to the not-so-pretty context behind them (re: people dressing up in 1860s clothing at plantations and somehow not realising how insensitive they’re being). i appreciate the acknowledgement that there needs to be nuance in discussions like these.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I wish that too
Even the word “plantation” seems to have become disconnected from its not-so-pretty context in American English. When I as a Norwegian think “plantation”, I of think fields and orchards and agriculture, and not at all of fancy big houses.
My goodness, I loved everything about this conversation. Nothing interesting to add, I just want to express my admiration for both of you and your approaches to clothing!!
On the going into a shop in clothing of a different era:
Two high school friends and I were once cast as chorus nuns in a community theater production of The Sound of Music. If you know the show, there's quite a while in the middle where most of the nuns do not appear. There was no real backstage area in the venue, and since it was summer, we usually just played cards or Mastermind on the lawn behind the building till we were on again. Yep, three "nuns" in old-style habits sitting on the grass playing poker. One afternoon during a matinee we got hungry and strolled down to the Taco Time to order some food--in character, more or less. Sister Mary Katherine, Sister Mary Julia, and Sister Mary Rachel sure got some funny looks.
Fantastic talk! I'm sure I'm not the first person to suggest this (and I'm sure it's more work than it's worth), but I can see "no costuming without context" being an excellent podcast series :)
This was a great video. Well articulated and important conversations to have.
Late comer here but just saw your video with V and had to come check out your channel. Loving it!
i absolutely LOVED this video and completely agree with everything you two said! you've definitely inspired me to look into making clothes that better connect to myself and my background, so thank you both for this video! (also your outfits in this video are SO CUTE)
Thank you! Have fun!
"No Costumes Without Context" is such a great concise way to sum this up. Lovely conversation, really liked the editing.
I'm a white American, and when I got into historical costuming, I didn't feel like I had much defining style to look to. I found out I was completely wrong when I started looking into my family history and engaging with regional fashions that way. Like the wooden soled boots they wore in County Durham where my great-grandfather and his family were from. If there any White Americans who are feeling "left out" because they're trying not to be appropriative, this would be a great direction to go, I think.
Nowadays, however, I'm having a harder time. I converted to Judaism last year and it's really changed how I can interact with historical clothing. For example: I want to make a costume for the local Renaissance Faire. This is kind of my only chance to really show off my interest in historical costuming, so I don't want to go the fantasy route. The problem is that the scenario of the fair is Elizabethan England, and there were (essentially) no Jews in England between 1290 and 1655. An entire, very popular genre on historical play is just... kinda gone now. My goyische friends don't understand why I've got my boxers in a bunch about it, but @SnappyDragon said it well: It not just a religion, it's a culture. Like, I joined a people, not a synagogue. And now I have to deal with a lot of terrible history every time I try to look into the regional dress of Jews in basically any country in any time period. Yellow badges, yellow hats, yellow head scarves. (Plus as a convert, I feel weird thinking of wearing identifying symbols as part of a historic outfit, like Snappydragon mentioned) Maybe I'll just do late 1600s and be visibly out of sync.
On a more positive note, I'm getting into tailoring, and working around the sha'atnetz is kind of interesting, cuz it *could* actually be visibly Jewish. Stiffening in suits and such tend to be done using linen buckram, so if I make a wool jacket, I'd had to use canvas or horsehair instead, which has a different effect. Plus incorporating the tallit katan into an outfit and the Chasidic custom of buttoning right-over-left could really work.
Sorry for such a long comment. I've been thinking about this a lot -_-;
Such a nice video. Thank you both !!!
Interesting conversation ! Thanks, folks!
this was so interesting!
this is so good. I became interested in historal dress and wanted clothingthe fit me but have small budget. I also wanted to tailor my clothing to be eco conscious. I went down a good rabbit and found V and other historical costubers along the way. I didn't know there was this whole other world of ethical issues of history and historical dress but now because of historical costube and ethical people like V I know more and can ethically make history clothes that mean something to me. remembering the dress and cultures of our ancestors keeps them alive and their traditions alive connecting us too them. I'm so glad to carry this on and teach my kids. I wouldnlkve more wholesome videos of frolicking and important conversations on wearing other centuries cloth everyday and how to do good research (possibly in other languages you don't speak)and how to ethically make your period based clothing the best you can on modernism obsession with synthetic fibers
LOVE the Jewish visibility segment
5:20-5:38: Yes!
Great conversation! Thanks for sharing!
How interesting, thank you so much!
Like..Like..Like..Like..Like..Like..Like..Like..Like..Like. Very profound.
Go buy my pattern - me (ADHD) not finding anything in the description box: I need a link.
love your video.
omg oops I just added it thank you
Very cool discussion about clothes and politics. Have either of you read 'Dress Codes' ISBN 9781501180088? I was curious if it was a good book since it sounds like part of your theme here.