5 Things Gymnasts Are NOT ALLOWED to Do Anymore
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Gymnastics is a constantly evolving sport.
The rulebook of the discipline, known as the Code of Points, is updated every four years after the Olympic cycle comes to a close and - every now and then - new rules are introduced, some reformulated and others completely removed. In this video, we'll take a look at 5 things gymnasts are not allowed to do anymore.
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I’m very amused that the musical CATS led to a heavy makeup ban in gymnastics. There’s no end to that show’s path of destruction
The musical itself is a thing of beauty, nothing whatsoever to do with that accursed film, please don't put the two in the same bag 😅😅
The actual Broadway show is truly a marvel, it's that atrocious film that should be banned.
Agreed
What's so wrong with that girl portraying a cat anyway?
I wish it had gone further, perhaps with chipmunks, before being banned.
They should allow the lunge out. It makes the routine flow better and also I agree that it helps gymnasts avoid injury to their ankles.
And it's more beautiful than the perfect stick. The lunge out stile is much more elegant.
I'm horrified they did this! We were strictly taught not to stick a landing like that to avoid the greater strain known to be placed on ankles, knees, etc. I remember mention of the increased risk in women, and it's terrible for men, too. I'm just kinda overall disgusted with some things from USA Gymnastics and the UGF.
What the video didn’t mention is that many gymnasts started doing leaps or jumps after landing to help avoid those deductions.
Yes. Why wouldn't you want to prevent injuries and allow athletes to extend the life of their career instead of being all beat up and end earlier than needed.
I always thought it was stupid that sticking a landing meant screwing over your joints. Like why is that even a factor? Hell, why is there any rating for the landing to begin with?
Not being allowed to stand on the bar makes complete sense, but no theatrical makeup or standing in the corner or lunges are kind of silly! Thanks for posting the new rules!
I think it’s fair, the attention must be in the routine, not in the make up.
@@pitilessnightmare6879 I agree
But the ban on lunge landings is hard on the ankles
@@missmoxie9188 ah, well, that’s true!
@@pitilessnightmare6879 the makeup part makes sense
They want a certain amount of decorum and respect for the sport. They don’t want this turning into a circus
I guess that the make-up rule's purpose is to avoid gymnasts and therefore the whole sport to look like a Cirque du Soleil performer/performance. That makes sense to me.
They need to get rid of the corner and no lunges rule. Safety should be a bigger priority over aesthetics.
Yeah they do, it’s more harsh on the ankles to have to just “stick” the landing. It’s just better if they remove that rule in my opinion, but it’s the FIG's
decision.
Especially when lunges are way more aesthetics than the cold stick
@@llonabevigny40 Yeah.
Yeah, either way almost no one sticks the landings. Always small steps or hops. The lunge back would make routines look better, and increase the E Scores on Floor that have been super harsh.
I think the lunge back is aesthetically pleasing... way more than hopping around in an attempt to cold stick.
I definitely believe that FIG should allow lunges again since it can be very dangerous and tough on gymnasts' ankles when landing. If a gymnast had too much power they would still also receive a control deduction so it makes no difference in terms of deductions by bringing them back.
I don't think the men were ever allowed to take a lunge back so I think they wanted it to be the same.
Or as it is done in the tumbling sport, to land with legs slightly apart.
Any rule change which creates more physical stress and potential injury to gymnasts needs to be *kicked to the CURB*
The older-style lunge on landing with arched back looked graceful and finished the move off.
Nah it's no harsher on the ankles as they still land on both feet. The not being allowed to lung just makes it harder for them to hide a slight lack of control.
I didn't know about the corner rule and I've always wondered why everyone always does the weird half turn thingy into their passes. thanks for teaching about it!
Yes, that explains a lot. I have been wondering the same as well as no step outs, it always looked like a more elegant routine with the step out.
I'd been noticing it didn't understand either til now!!
I was wondering about that too! I honestly thought it was just a trend I didn’t know it was a rule
I thought gymnasts did that fit in their choreography
I’m a gymnast and I will tell you learning the half twist is very hard even I myself had trouble learning it and it’s even harder to do a full twist. Hope this helps 😀😃😄
I wonder how many more feet and ankle injuries have occurred because of the lunge rule? The heavy makeup rule seems really petty, too, it’s not as is if that was a common trend.
Ive said this elsewhere, but I think the lunge out of passes should be reinstated! I think it helps preserve feet/toes/ankles/knees, plus it looks nice!
Lunges can be so pretty and graceful so idk why they are a deduction.
Do you know the deduction for standing on the bars? If a gymnast for some reason decided to stand on a bar during a routine, how much would she be deducted?
It's illegal. It's not like a balance check on the beam or taking a hop on your vault, both of which incur deductions based on how much of a balance check or how much of a hop you take. Illegal means you cannot do it. I have to assume if a gymnast stood on the high bar or even the low bar during her routine, she'd be disqualified and given a score of zero.
Creating a rule to ban beautiful makeup is the most petty thing I've ever seen. It has absolutely nothing to do with a gymnast's ability or even the grace of their movements.
Yes, I thought that was so stupid!
I think that theatrical makeup just looks a bit silly in the overall serious sport competition. So I understand why they banned it.
They don't want people to joke about gymnastics as a silly sport (im not one of those people, i just aware their existence)
Same! For Celine it was a way of saying goodbye. She knew she would'nt score high on one of her last performances on a big meet, so she decided to have some fun. I think it was a fun routine to see, so why not make gymnastics a little more artistic? It's an art, let's treat it that way.
from my years of experience many things act as a "Distraction" these are counted as nail polish, unnatural hair colors, and more. So the judges or official's could count that as a distraction to another athlete
The corner rule "to prevent gymnasts from standing in the corner, catching their breath"...like, heaven forbid these elite athletes take a moment to breathe before they defy gravity. What a dumb rule.
I've got to agree 100% with removing the Korbut, Mukhina, & other moves uneven standing on the uneven bars.
When Olga did it the first time it did flow; after that it grew clunky even when such brilliant gymnasts as Mukhina did versions as the long pauses interrupted flow.
I agree 100%
I’ve seen Mukhina do it without pausing but far too often there was a pause. The big difference between Korbut and Mukhina is that Korbut could stand on the arches of her feet and go right from the squat position to the backflip. Mukhina had to stand ON HER TOES, and stand all the way up before doing the Mukhina flip
@@missmoxie9188 well, that, and the bars themselves have evolved and there is a lot more distance between the top bar and bottom bar.
It's also so dangerous
The lunge out needs to come back for the safety of the gymnasts. Their poor ankles and knees ☹
if i was a gymnast i would have 2 broken ankles and 2 broken kneecaps
RIP Elena Mukhina, such a gifted soul 🤍
Seems more like gymnastics is devolving. The artistry has been sacrificed for difficulty to get more points and medals. Before gymnasts were more graceful and fluid, but now they're robotic and clumsy.
I miss the perfect 10, when it wasn’t near impossible to achieve. ‘88 Olympics for example.
Wtf is "artistry" if not doing sth difficult? Who tf goes to the olympics to see someone act like in a school theatre. They're there to see athletes doing hard to do things.
It's absurd to be this hulking monster of a human with tape all over you and pretend to be a gracile fairy or sth. The only thing that gets gymnasts close to fairies is they might use their lats to fly.
Yes, that explains a lot with the corners. I have also been wondering able no step outs, it always looked like a more elegant routine with the step out.
I can just imagine the roomful of stuffy drones grumbling about the “heavy makeup.” 😂
I believe lunges & heavy makeup should be allowed. Celine's makeup was awesome.
Also, "modest" means "moderate" btw.
The fig rules has become too (too) technical and has reduced the artistic, uniqueness, and overall quality value of gymnastics.
I'd rather see gymnasts wearing make-up to interpret a character than heavy "beauty" make-up that has little to do with the sport.
I say let people wear what they want.
I think they put the kibosh on the makeup because they didn't want have a trend started where every athlete would feel they need to dress up to do their floor routines. As someone who coaches gymnastics, I am thankful.
Lounge is very pleasant (when well done) but it didn't disappear magically from the Code. It became very misused prior 2009, gymnasts didn't even bother to hold landing before lounging anymore, besides, became technically difficult to distinguish controlled from uncontrolled lounges.
RIP Elena Mukhina
They are absolutely correct about how ridiculous it is to not permit a lunge out of a pass. It honestly added style to the exercise, but of course the FIG seems not to care about that stuff anymore.
So what if gymnasts just _ignored_ the "no step out rule" and practiced a pass _with_ a step out, factoring in a .10 deduction for the entire pass?
They could then practice perfecting the tumbling skills in that pass without risking possible injury to their ankles and probably surpass the .10 deduction in better execution overall.
This could be a way for gymnasts to protest rules that promote possible injury.
Yes, yes, and yes!
Addison Fatta did this and I loved it!! Looks so much prettier than a bounce back/chronic ankle problems th-cam.com/video/lK3PGrm64bs/w-d-xo.html
@@anikokoren3417 I'm glad more gymnasts are taking their own safety into their own hands!
Not only Addison, a lot of gymnasts use step backs like, everyday. It's a common landing technique, not a gymnast safety empowerment protest.
@@pedrojorge1912 Stepping out is a .10 deduction as opposed to sticking a landing without a deduction.
A way that FIG could remedy putting gymnasts at risk of more ankle injuries would be if the wasn't a deduction on a skill for stepping out, but instead got a .10 bonus for sticking a landing.
This way a skill would still recieve it's point value, and possibly a bonus for sticking.
It's psychological..... gymnasts may try harder to meet a standard if they think they stand to _lose_ something for falling short of that standard, so they will also be more likely to risk injury..... than if they were offered a bonus for sticking a landing (which would allow gymnasts the option of focusing on stuck landings if they were weak in another area.)
This video is so interesting! Thankyou!!!!! Id love to see a part 2 or anyone replying to this comment with any other new rules like these xx
I wonder how many of the so-called experts that are changing or eliminating these rules actually competed in the competitions
Omg I always wondered why the gymnasts would only have one foot in the corner! Now it finally makes sense
well, this is what happens when you try co score technicality and artistry in one discipline at the same time.
The rules will be illogical for at least one of those two criteria (either too strict for the artistry to show, or too loose for the technicality scoring)
I was thinking the same thing. I mean, reducing the number of passes, so they can dance, but not allowing theatrical make-up because.....? Nit-picky. Wouldn't it make more sense to just have difficulty levels for everything, and let the gymnast and her coach decide? Rate artistry close to athletics, to insure you don't get routines that are all dance, or all athletics.
Man the people who write the code of points are bunch of haters
What about hair? Are there rules about how they can be worn, or is everything fine as long as they are tied? And can gymnasts wear no makeup at all? Can men wear makeup if they want to?
The only rule about hair I ever remember hearing was that it has to be out of the gymnast's face, just due to safety. It's difficult to concentrate on a skill when you have strands brushing against your face or your hair is down. Usually, hair is pulled right back into a ponytail or bun and any wispy bits is hairsprayed down.
@@sclohessy4759 I also think I've read somewhere untidy hair (as in not perfectly in a bun/ponytail) get deductions just like bra straps showing and panty lines do, but I'm not sure if it's accurate
@@federicapiottoli6922 It could fall under the general "look put together" rule. Some of it tends to be ridiculous (like bra straps/underwear showing) but other things like "keep hair out of face" are genuine safety things that benefit the gymnast. I don't know if it's in the code or not but the rule with ponytails is that it can't touch the floor when you're in a handstand, but I'm not quite sure on that one. I've always had very short/pixie-cut hair 😅
Gymnasts can compete without makeup. I don't know if men can wear makeup though
@Federica Piottoli depends on the club you are at, some clubs say you must have a neat bun but some others say you can do what ever you want but for Usag and Fig no color hair, no bow or hair anything out of your clubs uniform colors like if you were a pink bow with a blue and white Leo that would be a 0.5 deduction on every event (speaking from experience) gymnastics can wear make up but not like a special effects I had a friend that wore sparkle eye shadow idk about men tho because I’ve never seen one wear make
They do still stand on the lower bar at times to get to the higher bar. It does disrupt the flow of the routine. The Korbut flip probably isn't even physically possible anymore due to the bars being farther apart.
Standing in the corner stops the flow of the routine? I'm pretty sure the floor routine hasn't flowed since the early 90's.
I think the makeup rule is stupid, thought the gymnast that did this Cats routine was super creative. As long as the makeup doesn't hamper them cause a danger then what does it matter. I believe gymnast are allowed to land and do a lunge, at least in lower levels.
I wonder whether facepainting is allowed in the javelin throw.
Thank you Gymnastics Masterclass! This video has recommended one of my videos and it's much appreciated!! 💋 💗
Though I myself have personally never done uneven bars, it's fascinating that I didn't realize standing on it had been banned for that long.
Obviously they should bring back the lunge for athlete safety and because it looks better imo. And unpopular but they should bring back the 5 tumbling lines. I don’t need to see them dance around, if they want to pack in more actual gymnastics they should be able to. After all, we don’t make the men dance.
Banning the lunge is stupid, and the athletes are right, the cold “perfect stick” IS tougher on the ankles. All sports want to avoid ankle damage. It should be an overall rule to ban something that will consistently harm the ankle.
I know, that is terribly worded, but you get my drift.
You forgot "back-to-back" tumbling lines, made famous by Oksana Omelianchik, Daniela Silivas, and Dominque Dawes back in the 80s-90s. The fact that they have reduced the number of tumbling lines to 5 makes sense (to allow for more dance/artistry). I wish they would do something similar in men's gymnastics too where they basically just to pass after pass with no artistry at all now. But they should allow for some creativity in the passes. Allowing back-to-back passes is exciting as well as difficult and it doesn't disrupt the flow of the routine. th-cam.com/video/GnfEk9PcRxA/w-d-xo.html&t
I also think they should bring back the "back lunge", or at least have a happy medium where the gymnast only has to end their routine with a stick on the final pass. The other 3 passes should incorporate a lunge (both for safety reasons and artistic reasons). If you have to dance into your tumbling passes, then you should be able to dance out of them as well. Vanessa Atler used to have a double layout - punch front - dance jump element which she would run out of into more choreography. It was difficult and beautiful, but would not be considered a "stick" and incur a deduction under the current rules. th-cam.com/video/dlUVF6W-8OQ/w-d-xo.html&t
The standing on the bar rule makes sense, and so does the face paint rule. But the others I find questionable, and I believe they hinder the sport more than they help.
Is back-to-back tumbling banner? Or is it just not worth it under how routines are scored to make it worth while? Gymnasts need to pack as many high level skills into a routine as possible, and back to back tumbling makes that difficult to do. Unless someone can do a double twisting double back and rebound into a punch front and go the other way and do some sort of D or E skill.
Dawes' 1992 FX with the double pass is still enjoyable to watch - the music was so fun!
No standing on corners. Fine. I’ll do the flamingo stand then.
Very interesting to this member of the general public who doesn't know much about the sport. Thanks!
I honestly believe the Stick Landing rule will only incur more injuries.
I defiantly think that makeup, lunges (for injuries), standing in the corner, (cause your girl needs to breathe), should be ok.
I'm obsessed with these videos
These rules sure don't seem to give the slightest consideration to the welfare of the competitors. Kind of mind blowing!
The lunge out is both aesthetically pleasing and more careful of the health and wellbeing of the gymnasts and should be reinstated.
Yes. I feel that critique about floor routines just being skill after skill with little choreography or...flair, I guess. I understand that what they are doing is incredibly difficult, and quite beautiful to watch, but I miss the more showmanship aspects of floor routines.
I have no idea what that's even supposed to mean. I thought the olympics was about sports, not theatre.
that's what the men's are, why are women expected to do a bunch of fluff, look pretty, and smile? either the men dance too, or this is all just hypocrisy from the FIG.
They banned the standing bars moves in 85, but it didnt take effect until when? Because Rhonda Faehn did it as her dismount in 1988, also at the 1987 Worlds.
As a huge fan of NCAA gymnastics (I'm even going to the Pac12 championships next month), I find it interesting that elite doesn't allow the lunge or standing in the corner. Obviously they allow both in collegiate. They should allow it in elite as it gives the athletes a bit of safety.
god forbid the women's floor end up looking like the men's floor, the FIG is trying to teach us that the most important thing for female athletes is not safety, but 'grace' and 'dance' lol. along with their underscoring of simone's skills, it feels like they're resentful of the women performing more like the men.
Not to be too picky, but standing on the bars was banned after the 85-88 quad. Rhonda Faehn, the US alternate on the 88 Olympic team, did a standing double twist dismount off the high bar in 1988.
So many rules in gymnastics to me does not make a lot of sense. It seems like the people who make the rules have never done gymnastics. They just don't understand that doing a certain move a certain way could be possibly a lot more dangerous than doing it a different way.
Please do men Gymnastics as well, your work is dope
As a gymnast after doing tricks I find it way easier to do a lung out in my opinion it helps reduce the chance of injuring your legs.
i think the lunges should be okay plus it still looks quite nice i must say. Also depending on how their ankles land it could change their facial expression.
That has been removed from Olympic where I go they still have swat on’s. But if it’s not important for the Olympic you don’t need to focus on swat ons or step ups
Very good!
Ok so should have been titled things FEMALE gymnasts arn't allowed to do.
“Since it’s dangerous” … this whole sport is dangerous
It’s so unfair that the men can just do tumbling passes while women have to do choreography. It’s a gymnastics competition, not a dance competition.
Rhonda Faehn competed a standing double full as her bar dismount at 1987 Worlds, so standing on the bar wasn't removed in 1985.
So that's why watching old gymnastic performances is more amusing
The lounge should be back. It's way healthier for the ankles and knees and it looks much better (my opinion)
Okay abt the first one, how do you do your bar jumps? Because from the low bar to the high har you have to stand on bars for the jump
Does the ban for standing on top of the bar only apply to the high bar or is standing on the low bar also prohibited? I feel like there isn’t any reason to include the low bar as part of this ban since I think it would be really cool to see more creativity and usage of the low bar.
0:35 - what about a squat on, pike on, toe circle/sole circle, etc.
The Celine van Gerner Rule is typical FIG hyper-managing at its best. So unnecessary 🙄
And the Corner Rule shows they have no idea that you cannot regulate artistry. The way that rule is written almost seems like they thought standing too long on two feet in the corner was contributing to the loss of artistry in the sport. Disallow it, and suddenly artistry comes roaring back, right? 🤦♂️ Sometimes I'm shocked this is our sport's governing body. No comprehension of how things work or the big picture. No understanding of nuance or non-dichotomous thinking. Sigh.
It's sad how few times a change is made for safety reasons. What shape will these young women's joints be in at age 40?
This was posted the day of my competition
The standing on the bar thing isn't necessarily true
The gymnast might have to do a squat on and its mainly used to make the connections from the low bar to the high bar
Thx for the rules to avoid, unsure about that 1st one, unless Seth Brundle's (Brundle-Fly) early state is allowed?
I keep telling my mother-in-law that face painting is illegal. I have to admit though that the "owl" look paint scheme is pretty intimidating......
there's a lot more elements on the uneven bars that have been banned.
The lunge rule is so stupid 💀 Everyone on my team learned to lunge out and now we have to change it?? Plus, in my routine I literally only do a backtuck and I can still feel it in my ankles when I don’t lunge out so imagine gymnasts who do bigger skills.
Banning standing on the top bar is understandable. But to ban lunges and only allow stick landings is stupid and dangerous. They are going to be ending a gymnastics career early by making them do that. Rules should be made so that ur NOT getting hurt
Interesting that they limit certain things to promote artistry. I wish they would do something about it in figure skating too, the way it's become a jump fest is a bit less interesting (not to mention a visible recent history of increased injuries for some women)
However, this lounge back removal doesn't look like a good idea, does it? I mean- i cannot imagine the added pressure on the joints from doing these things in training all day long
Yeah, let's not let athletes stand in the corner to catch their breath 🙄
That rule abt landing with both feet no stepping is hypocritical bc rules are meant to protect the health of the athletes.
On the one hand I think it's stupid that they disallowed makeup and theatrics. On the other hand I can see how it can distract from form and technique which is supposed to be the point of the judging competition.
So long as there buts still hang out upside down I'm happy greatest SPORT ever
Could you do something like this for high bar?
The Lunge out is not too bad.🙂 Interesting.
I thought lunges are now allowed again, in the new code of point 😳 They are not?
controlled lunges were proposed to enter new code of points, but eventually FIG rejected it
I love the fact that these girls could do these moves in the first place
I always do the last one 😬
As a gymnast I wish we could stand on the bars, it would be fun, but dangerous, but I have really good balance.
What competition is that where Shawn Johnson is in the light orange leo?
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@@gymnasticsmasterclass Thanks!!
Me trying to make a bar routine and realising that's in it😭 whyyyy Lord whyyyy
I didnt even know there were rules
I have a question ;
Are all the rules only for America or all around the world?
I never understood why they danced . Dancers dance , gymnasts jump , spin and tumble.
The people who scream "sexist" and "men are women and vise versa", make the females do sexually provocative moves.
Such hypocrisy.
Obviously gymnast dance too, because you see it at every competition. Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true.
@@theshadowfax239 I didn't say they didn't dance ,I can see them dance. I don't understand why they dance. Maybe we should make the shot put athlete dance just before they throw the ball , it would make the same sense .
@@rbspider I'm with you. The rules are dumb and the dancing is unneeded. The men don't dance so its arbitrary.
@@KasinoRoyale Thank you . What does the Dougie or Jitterbug have to do with a tumble.
Wait do these rules apply to what level you are or just all gymnast
thats what i was wondering!!!
Was there any reasons for these rules? The first one seemed to make sense as it looked like it was out of concern for their safety but the make-up one and the sticking the landing one seems odd.
Seems to me they already have the floor so bouncy they might as well call it a trampoline exercise. I love how people try to compare today's gymnasts against those 'back in the day', and the films show the old timers working on a mat covered concrete.
You can't stand on the bars because "it's dangerous" but you better stick your landing and risk permanently destroying your joints. I'll say it standing on the bars rules has nothing to do with safety. Just some gymnastics karren judges.
the last rule is actually a very good one which I cannot say about the rest rules.
In my routine I stand in the corner before my tumbling pass 😳
Rules hysteria. How the hell can the athletes function with all these rules?
Women's gymnastics seems to be a lot of "meh, did I like it or not?"
The reason for this are lawsuits. It costs more to pay Lawyers than it would to settle out of court. It's not worth it.