Not being allowed to stand on the bar makes complete sense, but no theatrical makeup or standing in the corner or lunges are kind of silly! Thanks for posting the new rules!
@@pitilessnightmare6879 the makeup part makes sense They want a certain amount of decorum and respect for the sport. They don’t want this turning into a circus
I guess that the make-up rule's purpose is to avoid gymnasts and therefore the whole sport to look like a Cirque du Soleil performer/performance. That makes sense to me.
I'm horrified they did this! We were strictly taught not to stick a landing like that to avoid the greater strain known to be placed on ankles, knees, etc. I remember mention of the increased risk in women, and it's terrible for men, too. I'm just kinda overall disgusted with some things from USA Gymnastics and the UGF.
Yes. Why wouldn't you want to prevent injuries and allow athletes to extend the life of their career instead of being all beat up and end earlier than needed.
I always thought it was stupid that sticking a landing meant screwing over your joints. Like why is that even a factor? Hell, why is there any rating for the landing to begin with?
I definitely believe that FIG should allow lunges again since it can be very dangerous and tough on gymnasts' ankles when landing. If a gymnast had too much power they would still also receive a control deduction so it makes no difference in terms of deductions by bringing them back.
Nah it's no harsher on the ankles as they still land on both feet. The not being allowed to lung just makes it harder for them to hide a slight lack of control.
I didn't know about the corner rule and I've always wondered why everyone always does the weird half turn thingy into their passes. thanks for teaching about it!
I’m a gymnast and I will tell you learning the half twist is very hard even I myself had trouble learning it and it’s even harder to do a full twist. Hope this helps 😀😃😄
Yeah they do, it’s more harsh on the ankles to have to just “stick” the landing. It’s just better if they remove that rule in my opinion, but it’s the FIG's decision.
Yeah, either way almost no one sticks the landings. Always small steps or hops. The lunge back would make routines look better, and increase the E Scores on Floor that have been super harsh.
Ive said this elsewhere, but I think the lunge out of passes should be reinstated! I think it helps preserve feet/toes/ankles/knees, plus it looks nice!
I wonder how many more feet and ankle injuries have occurred because of the lunge rule? The heavy makeup rule seems really petty, too, it’s not as is if that was a common trend.
I've got to agree 100% with removing the Korbut, Mukhina, & other moves uneven standing on the uneven bars. When Olga did it the first time it did flow; after that it grew clunky even when such brilliant gymnasts as Mukhina did versions as the long pauses interrupted flow.
I agree 100% I’ve seen Mukhina do it without pausing but far too often there was a pause. The big difference between Korbut and Mukhina is that Korbut could stand on the arches of her feet and go right from the squat position to the backflip. Mukhina had to stand ON HER TOES, and stand all the way up before doing the Mukhina flip
@@keti.rg.editzzz The Korbut and Mukhina flips are no more dangerous than any other skill performed on bars these days. They weren't banned because they were dangerous. They were banned because the FIG doesn't want gymnasts to stand on the bars. ALL skills involving standing on the bars have been banned from elite gymnastics, even really basic ones such as squat-ons.
Lunges can be so pretty and graceful so idk why they are a deduction. Do you know the deduction for standing on the bars? If a gymnast for some reason decided to stand on a bar during a routine, how much would she be deducted?
It's illegal. It's not like a balance check on the beam or taking a hop on your vault, both of which incur deductions based on how much of a balance check or how much of a hop you take. Illegal means you cannot do it. I have to assume if a gymnast stood on the high bar or even the low bar during her routine, she'd be disqualified and given a score of zero.
Creating a rule to ban beautiful makeup is the most petty thing I've ever seen. It has absolutely nothing to do with a gymnast's ability or even the grace of their movements.
Same! For Celine it was a way of saying goodbye. She knew she would'nt score high on one of her last performances on a big meet, so she decided to have some fun. I think it was a fun routine to see, so why not make gymnastics a little more artistic? It's an art, let's treat it that way.
from my years of experience many things act as a "Distraction" these are counted as nail polish, unnatural hair colors, and more. So the judges or official's could count that as a distraction to another athlete
The corner rule "to prevent gymnasts from standing in the corner, catching their breath"...like, heaven forbid these elite athletes take a moment to breathe before they defy gravity. What a dumb rule.
Yes, that explains a lot with the corners. I have also been wondering able no step outs, it always looked like a more elegant routine with the step out.
The makeup rule is so petty. Celine looked amazing. I think it should be allowed in finals at least. It adds to the performance. Just look at artistic swimmers and their crazy makeup. And they are underwater! Also, bring back lunges and standing in the corner. I'd rather a gymnast take 3 seconds to breathe than try to crank out a tumbling pass and hurt themselves. Once again, FIG proves they don't actually care about athlete health and safety.
Lounge is very pleasant (when well done) but it didn't disappear magically from the Code. It became very misused prior 2009, gymnasts didn't even bother to hold landing before lounging anymore, besides, became technically difficult to distinguish controlled from uncontrolled lounges.
They are absolutely correct about how ridiculous it is to not permit a lunge out of a pass. It honestly added style to the exercise, but of course the FIG seems not to care about that stuff anymore.
Seems more like gymnastics is devolving. The artistry has been sacrificed for difficulty to get more points and medals. Before gymnasts were more graceful and fluid, but now they're robotic and clumsy.
Wtf is "artistry" if not doing sth difficult? Who tf goes to the olympics to see someone act like in a school theatre. They're there to see athletes doing hard to do things. It's absurd to be this hulking monster of a human with tape all over you and pretend to be a gracile fairy or sth. The only thing that gets gymnasts close to fairies is they might use their lats to fly.
@@MrCmon113completely disagree with you. Doing something difficulty does not inherently mean it was done beautifully. These olympics have boring to watch because the routines haven't at all seemed cohesive. Just flip flip flip.
So what if gymnasts just _ignored_ the "no step out rule" and practiced a pass _with_ a step out, factoring in a .10 deduction for the entire pass? They could then practice perfecting the tumbling skills in that pass without risking possible injury to their ankles and probably surpass the .10 deduction in better execution overall. This could be a way for gymnasts to protest rules that promote possible injury.
@@pedrojorge1912 Stepping out is a .10 deduction as opposed to sticking a landing without a deduction. A way that FIG could remedy putting gymnasts at risk of more ankle injuries would be if the wasn't a deduction on a skill for stepping out, but instead got a .10 bonus for sticking a landing. This way a skill would still recieve it's point value, and possibly a bonus for sticking. It's psychological..... gymnasts may try harder to meet a standard if they think they stand to _lose_ something for falling short of that standard, so they will also be more likely to risk injury..... than if they were offered a bonus for sticking a landing (which would allow gymnasts the option of focusing on stuck landings if they were weak in another area.)
What about hair? Are there rules about how they can be worn, or is everything fine as long as they are tied? And can gymnasts wear no makeup at all? Can men wear makeup if they want to?
The only rule about hair I ever remember hearing was that it has to be out of the gymnast's face, just due to safety. It's difficult to concentrate on a skill when you have strands brushing against your face or your hair is down. Usually, hair is pulled right back into a ponytail or bun and any wispy bits is hairsprayed down.
@@sclohessy4759 I also think I've read somewhere untidy hair (as in not perfectly in a bun/ponytail) get deductions just like bra straps showing and panty lines do, but I'm not sure if it's accurate
@@federicapiottoli6922 It could fall under the general "look put together" rule. Some of it tends to be ridiculous (like bra straps/underwear showing) but other things like "keep hair out of face" are genuine safety things that benefit the gymnast. I don't know if it's in the code or not but the rule with ponytails is that it can't touch the floor when you're in a handstand, but I'm not quite sure on that one. I've always had very short/pixie-cut hair 😅
@Federica Piottoli depends on the club you are at, some clubs say you must have a neat bun but some others say you can do what ever you want but for Usag and Fig no color hair, no bow or hair anything out of your clubs uniform colors like if you were a pink bow with a blue and white Leo that would be a 0.5 deduction on every event (speaking from experience) gymnastics can wear make up but not like a special effects I had a friend that wore sparkle eye shadow idk about men tho because I’ve never seen one wear make
well, this is what happens when you try co score technicality and artistry in one discipline at the same time. The rules will be illogical for at least one of those two criteria (either too strict for the artistry to show, or too loose for the technicality scoring)
I was thinking the same thing. I mean, reducing the number of passes, so they can dance, but not allowing theatrical make-up because.....? Nit-picky. Wouldn't it make more sense to just have difficulty levels for everything, and let the gymnast and her coach decide? Rate artistry close to athletics, to insure you don't get routines that are all dance, or all athletics.
Not to be too picky, but standing on the bars was banned after the 85-88 quad. Rhonda Faehn, the US alternate on the 88 Olympic team, did a standing double twist dismount off the high bar in 1988.
I think the makeup rule is stupid, thought the gymnast that did this Cats routine was super creative. As long as the makeup doesn't hamper them cause a danger then what does it matter. I believe gymnast are allowed to land and do a lunge, at least in lower levels.
You forgot "back-to-back" tumbling lines, made famous by Oksana Omelianchik, Daniela Silivas, and Dominque Dawes back in the 80s-90s. The fact that they have reduced the number of tumbling lines to 5 makes sense (to allow for more dance/artistry). I wish they would do something similar in men's gymnastics too where they basically just to pass after pass with no artistry at all now. But they should allow for some creativity in the passes. Allowing back-to-back passes is exciting as well as difficult and it doesn't disrupt the flow of the routine. th-cam.com/video/GnfEk9PcRxA/w-d-xo.html&t I also think they should bring back the "back lunge", or at least have a happy medium where the gymnast only has to end their routine with a stick on the final pass. The other 3 passes should incorporate a lunge (both for safety reasons and artistic reasons). If you have to dance into your tumbling passes, then you should be able to dance out of them as well. Vanessa Atler used to have a double layout - punch front - dance jump element which she would run out of into more choreography. It was difficult and beautiful, but would not be considered a "stick" and incur a deduction under the current rules. th-cam.com/video/dlUVF6W-8OQ/w-d-xo.html&t The standing on the bar rule makes sense, and so does the face paint rule. But the others I find questionable, and I believe they hinder the sport more than they help.
Is back-to-back tumbling banner? Or is it just not worth it under how routines are scored to make it worth while? Gymnasts need to pack as many high level skills into a routine as possible, and back to back tumbling makes that difficult to do. Unless someone can do a double twisting double back and rebound into a punch front and go the other way and do some sort of D or E skill.
Back-to-back tumbling isn't banned. It just isn't worth many points any more. Most back-to-back passes of the 1980s revolved around double twists, which are C-rated and therefore not worth modern gymnasts' while. The double twist-punch front combination that was popular in the 1980s isn't eligible for a connection bonus in the current Code. Passes like Dawes' and Laschenova's would still be worth some points, but double-twisting double backs give you more points...
They do still stand on the lower bar at times to get to the higher bar. It does disrupt the flow of the routine. The Korbut flip probably isn't even physically possible anymore due to the bars being farther apart.
Elite gymnasts haven't been allowed to stand on the low bar to get to the high bar for some time now. You'll still see squat-ons and other standing low-to-high transitions at the lower levels (including NCAA), but not in elite gymnastics. Also, the Korbut flip is still eminently possible, even with the bars being farther apart. It's one of few 1970s bars skills that IS still technically possible. The FIG just doesn't want gymnasts to stand on the bars.
I think they put the kibosh on the makeup because they didn't want have a trend started where every athlete would feel they need to dress up to do their floor routines. As someone who coaches gymnastics, I am thankful.
@@theshadowfax239 I didn't say they didn't dance ,I can see them dance. I don't understand why they dance. Maybe we should make the shot put athlete dance just before they throw the ball , it would make the same sense .
Banning the lunge is stupid, and the athletes are right, the cold “perfect stick” IS tougher on the ankles. All sports want to avoid ankle damage. It should be an overall rule to ban something that will consistently harm the ankle. I know, that is terribly worded, but you get my drift.
They banned the standing bars moves in 85, but it didnt take effect until when? Because Rhonda Faehn did it as her dismount in 1988, also at the 1987 Worlds.
On the one hand I think it's stupid that they disallowed makeup and theatrics. On the other hand I can see how it can distract from form and technique which is supposed to be the point of the judging competition.
That has been removed from Olympic where I go they still have swat on’s. But if it’s not important for the Olympic you don’t need to focus on swat ons or step ups
i think the lunges should be okay plus it still looks quite nice i must say. Also depending on how their ankles land it could change their facial expression.
As a huge fan of NCAA gymnastics (I'm even going to the Pac12 championships next month), I find it interesting that elite doesn't allow the lunge or standing in the corner. Obviously they allow both in collegiate. They should allow it in elite as it gives the athletes a bit of safety.
god forbid the women's floor end up looking like the men's floor, the FIG is trying to teach us that the most important thing for female athletes is not safety, but 'grace' and 'dance' lol. along with their underscoring of simone's skills, it feels like they're resentful of the women performing more like the men.
I've always thought that the area for floor routines should be a circle, rather than a square. Yes, I know it could reduce the running distance to lead into tumbling and flips, but I think the constraint would result in more entertaining & athletic choreography.
Yes. I feel that critique about floor routines just being skill after skill with little choreography or...flair, I guess. I understand that what they are doing is incredibly difficult, and quite beautiful to watch, but I miss the more showmanship aspects of floor routines.
that's what the men's are, why are women expected to do a bunch of fluff, look pretty, and smile? either the men dance too, or this is all just hypocrisy from the FIG.
Gymnast s need to catch their breath for heaven’s sake. Everyone that changed the rules should go out on the gymnast mat, do what they do without catching their breath. Good grief.
Interesting that they limit certain things to promote artistry. I wish they would do something about it in figure skating too, the way it's become a jump fest is a bit less interesting (not to mention a visible recent history of increased injuries for some women) However, this lounge back removal doesn't look like a good idea, does it? I mean- i cannot imagine the added pressure on the joints from doing these things in training all day long
Female gymnasts are expected to have music, dance, and choreograph to the music (it never seems particularly choreographed to me), but men don't -- they just have to show the skills. Goes to show gender inequality still goes in Olympic competition.
So many rules in gymnastics to me does not make a lot of sense. It seems like the people who make the rules have never done gymnastics. They just don't understand that doing a certain move a certain way could be possibly a lot more dangerous than doing it a different way.
Squat-ons are no longer allowed in elite gymnastics. They've been banned for a while. You'll still see them at the lower levels (including NCAA), but they have been prohibited in elite gymnastics.
Banning standing on the top bar is understandable. But to ban lunges and only allow stick landings is stupid and dangerous. They are going to be ending a gymnastics career early by making them do that. Rules should be made so that ur NOT getting hurt
The Celine van Gerner Rule is typical FIG hyper-managing at its best. So unnecessary 🙄 And the Corner Rule shows they have no idea that you cannot regulate artistry. The way that rule is written almost seems like they thought standing too long on two feet in the corner was contributing to the loss of artistry in the sport. Disallow it, and suddenly artistry comes roaring back, right? 🤦♂️ Sometimes I'm shocked this is our sport's governing body. No comprehension of how things work or the big picture. No understanding of nuance or non-dichotomous thinking. Sigh.
You can't stand on the bars because "it's dangerous" but you better stick your landing and risk permanently destroying your joints. I'll say it standing on the bars rules has nothing to do with safety. Just some gymnastics karren judges.
Was there any reasons for these rules? The first one seemed to make sense as it looked like it was out of concern for their safety but the make-up one and the sticking the landing one seems odd.
The standing on the bar thing isn't necessarily true The gymnast might have to do a squat on and its mainly used to make the connections from the low bar to the high bar
Squat-ons were banned in elite gymnastics quite some time ago. You'll still see them at the lower levels (including NCAA), but elite gymnasts haven't been allowed to do them for some time.
Nope. That is a misconception spread by TH-cam videos that are full of factual inaccuracies. The ONLY uneven bar elements that have been banned are skills that involve standing on the bars and over-the-bar dismounts. No other 1970s and 1980s skills are banned. They just aren't physically possible anymore due to the increased distance between the bars, or have such low difficulty values that gymnasts simply can't be bothered with them anymore.
Not being allowed to stand on the bar makes complete sense, but no theatrical makeup or standing in the corner or lunges are kind of silly! Thanks for posting the new rules!
I think it’s fair, the attention must be in the routine, not in the make up.
@@pitilessnightmare6879 I agree
But the ban on lunge landings is hard on the ankles
@@missmoxie9188 ah, well, that’s true!
@@pitilessnightmare6879 the makeup part makes sense
They want a certain amount of decorum and respect for the sport. They don’t want this turning into a circus
I guess that the make-up rule's purpose is to avoid gymnasts and therefore the whole sport to look like a Cirque du Soleil performer/performance. That makes sense to me.
They should allow the lunge out. It makes the routine flow better and also I agree that it helps gymnasts avoid injury to their ankles.
And it's more beautiful than the perfect stick. The lunge out stile is much more elegant.
I'm horrified they did this! We were strictly taught not to stick a landing like that to avoid the greater strain known to be placed on ankles, knees, etc. I remember mention of the increased risk in women, and it's terrible for men, too. I'm just kinda overall disgusted with some things from USA Gymnastics and the UGF.
What the video didn’t mention is that many gymnasts started doing leaps or jumps after landing to help avoid those deductions.
Yes. Why wouldn't you want to prevent injuries and allow athletes to extend the life of their career instead of being all beat up and end earlier than needed.
I always thought it was stupid that sticking a landing meant screwing over your joints. Like why is that even a factor? Hell, why is there any rating for the landing to begin with?
I’m very amused that the musical CATS led to a heavy makeup ban in gymnastics. There’s no end to that show’s path of destruction
The musical itself is a thing of beauty, nothing whatsoever to do with that accursed film, please don't put the two in the same bag 😅😅
The actual Broadway show is truly a marvel, it's that atrocious film that should be banned.
Agreed
What's so wrong with that girl portraying a cat anyway?
I wish it had gone further, perhaps with chipmunks, before being banned.
I definitely believe that FIG should allow lunges again since it can be very dangerous and tough on gymnasts' ankles when landing. If a gymnast had too much power they would still also receive a control deduction so it makes no difference in terms of deductions by bringing them back.
I don't think the men were ever allowed to take a lunge back so I think they wanted it to be the same.
Or as it is done in the tumbling sport, to land with legs slightly apart.
Any rule change which creates more physical stress and potential injury to gymnasts needs to be *kicked to the CURB*
The older-style lunge on landing with arched back looked graceful and finished the move off.
Nah it's no harsher on the ankles as they still land on both feet. The not being allowed to lung just makes it harder for them to hide a slight lack of control.
I didn't know about the corner rule and I've always wondered why everyone always does the weird half turn thingy into their passes. thanks for teaching about it!
Yes, that explains a lot. I have been wondering the same as well as no step outs, it always looked like a more elegant routine with the step out.
I'd been noticing it didn't understand either til now!!
I was wondering about that too! I honestly thought it was just a trend I didn’t know it was a rule
I thought gymnasts did that fit in their choreography
I’m a gymnast and I will tell you learning the half twist is very hard even I myself had trouble learning it and it’s even harder to do a full twist. Hope this helps 😀😃😄
They need to get rid of the corner and no lunges rule. Safety should be a bigger priority over aesthetics.
Yeah they do, it’s more harsh on the ankles to have to just “stick” the landing. It’s just better if they remove that rule in my opinion, but it’s the FIG's
decision.
Especially when lunges are way more aesthetics than the cold stick
@@llonabevigny40 Yeah.
Yeah, either way almost no one sticks the landings. Always small steps or hops. The lunge back would make routines look better, and increase the E Scores on Floor that have been super harsh.
Lunges even add aesthetics to the routine.
Ive said this elsewhere, but I think the lunge out of passes should be reinstated! I think it helps preserve feet/toes/ankles/knees, plus it looks nice!
I wonder how many more feet and ankle injuries have occurred because of the lunge rule? The heavy makeup rule seems really petty, too, it’s not as is if that was a common trend.
I've got to agree 100% with removing the Korbut, Mukhina, & other moves uneven standing on the uneven bars.
When Olga did it the first time it did flow; after that it grew clunky even when such brilliant gymnasts as Mukhina did versions as the long pauses interrupted flow.
I agree 100%
I’ve seen Mukhina do it without pausing but far too often there was a pause. The big difference between Korbut and Mukhina is that Korbut could stand on the arches of her feet and go right from the squat position to the backflip. Mukhina had to stand ON HER TOES, and stand all the way up before doing the Mukhina flip
@@missmoxie9188 well, that, and the bars themselves have evolved and there is a lot more distance between the top bar and bottom bar.
It's also so dangerous
@@keti.rg.editzzzI mean the whole sport is dangerous so...🤷🏼
@@keti.rg.editzzz The Korbut and Mukhina flips are no more dangerous than any other skill performed on bars these days. They weren't banned because they were dangerous. They were banned because the FIG doesn't want gymnasts to stand on the bars. ALL skills involving standing on the bars have been banned from elite gymnastics, even really basic ones such as squat-ons.
Lunges can be so pretty and graceful so idk why they are a deduction.
Do you know the deduction for standing on the bars? If a gymnast for some reason decided to stand on a bar during a routine, how much would she be deducted?
It's illegal. It's not like a balance check on the beam or taking a hop on your vault, both of which incur deductions based on how much of a balance check or how much of a hop you take. Illegal means you cannot do it. I have to assume if a gymnast stood on the high bar or even the low bar during her routine, she'd be disqualified and given a score of zero.
Creating a rule to ban beautiful makeup is the most petty thing I've ever seen. It has absolutely nothing to do with a gymnast's ability or even the grace of their movements.
Yes, I thought that was so stupid!
I think that theatrical makeup just looks a bit silly in the overall serious sport competition. So I understand why they banned it.
They don't want people to joke about gymnastics as a silly sport (im not one of those people, i just aware their existence)
Same! For Celine it was a way of saying goodbye. She knew she would'nt score high on one of her last performances on a big meet, so she decided to have some fun. I think it was a fun routine to see, so why not make gymnastics a little more artistic? It's an art, let's treat it that way.
from my years of experience many things act as a "Distraction" these are counted as nail polish, unnatural hair colors, and more. So the judges or official's could count that as a distraction to another athlete
The corner rule "to prevent gymnasts from standing in the corner, catching their breath"...like, heaven forbid these elite athletes take a moment to breathe before they defy gravity. What a dumb rule.
RIP Elena Mukhina, such a gifted soul 🤍
I can just imagine the roomful of stuffy drones grumbling about the “heavy makeup.” 😂
Yes, that explains a lot with the corners. I have also been wondering able no step outs, it always looked like a more elegant routine with the step out.
I agree
The lunge out needs to come back for the safety of the gymnasts. Their poor ankles and knees ☹
if i was a gymnast i would have 2 broken ankles and 2 broken kneecaps
I believe lunges & heavy makeup should be allowed. Celine's makeup was awesome.
Also, "modest" means "moderate" btw.
I'd rather see gymnasts wearing make-up to interpret a character than heavy "beauty" make-up that has little to do with the sport.
I say let people wear what they want.
The fig rules has become too (too) technical and has reduced the artistic, uniqueness, and overall quality value of gymnastics.
The makeup rule is so petty. Celine looked amazing. I think it should be allowed in finals at least. It adds to the performance. Just look at artistic swimmers and their crazy makeup. And they are underwater!
Also, bring back lunges and standing in the corner. I'd rather a gymnast take 3 seconds to breathe than try to crank out a tumbling pass and hurt themselves. Once again, FIG proves they don't actually care about athlete health and safety.
Lounge is very pleasant (when well done) but it didn't disappear magically from the Code. It became very misused prior 2009, gymnasts didn't even bother to hold landing before lounging anymore, besides, became technically difficult to distinguish controlled from uncontrolled lounges.
Man the people who write the code of points are bunch of haters
They are absolutely correct about how ridiculous it is to not permit a lunge out of a pass. It honestly added style to the exercise, but of course the FIG seems not to care about that stuff anymore.
This video is so interesting! Thankyou!!!!! Id love to see a part 2 or anyone replying to this comment with any other new rules like these xx
RIP Elena Mukhina
It’s so unfair that the men can just do tumbling passes while women have to do choreography. It’s a gymnastics competition, not a dance competition.
Seems more like gymnastics is devolving. The artistry has been sacrificed for difficulty to get more points and medals. Before gymnasts were more graceful and fluid, but now they're robotic and clumsy.
I miss the perfect 10, when it wasn’t near impossible to achieve. ‘88 Olympics for example.
Wtf is "artistry" if not doing sth difficult? Who tf goes to the olympics to see someone act like in a school theatre. They're there to see athletes doing hard to do things.
It's absurd to be this hulking monster of a human with tape all over you and pretend to be a gracile fairy or sth. The only thing that gets gymnasts close to fairies is they might use their lats to fly.
@@MrCmon113completely disagree with you. Doing something difficulty does not inherently mean it was done beautifully. These olympics have boring to watch because the routines haven't at all seemed cohesive. Just flip flip flip.
I honestly believe the Stick Landing rule will only incur more injuries.
Omg I always wondered why the gymnasts would only have one foot in the corner! Now it finally makes sense
So what if gymnasts just _ignored_ the "no step out rule" and practiced a pass _with_ a step out, factoring in a .10 deduction for the entire pass?
They could then practice perfecting the tumbling skills in that pass without risking possible injury to their ankles and probably surpass the .10 deduction in better execution overall.
This could be a way for gymnasts to protest rules that promote possible injury.
Yes, yes, and yes!
Addison Fatta did this and I loved it!! Looks so much prettier than a bounce back/chronic ankle problems th-cam.com/video/lK3PGrm64bs/w-d-xo.html
@@anikokoren3417 I'm glad more gymnasts are taking their own safety into their own hands!
Not only Addison, a lot of gymnasts use step backs like, everyday. It's a common landing technique, not a gymnast safety empowerment protest.
@@pedrojorge1912 Stepping out is a .10 deduction as opposed to sticking a landing without a deduction.
A way that FIG could remedy putting gymnasts at risk of more ankle injuries would be if the wasn't a deduction on a skill for stepping out, but instead got a .10 bonus for sticking a landing.
This way a skill would still recieve it's point value, and possibly a bonus for sticking.
It's psychological..... gymnasts may try harder to meet a standard if they think they stand to _lose_ something for falling short of that standard, so they will also be more likely to risk injury..... than if they were offered a bonus for sticking a landing (which would allow gymnasts the option of focusing on stuck landings if they were weak in another area.)
What about hair? Are there rules about how they can be worn, or is everything fine as long as they are tied? And can gymnasts wear no makeup at all? Can men wear makeup if they want to?
The only rule about hair I ever remember hearing was that it has to be out of the gymnast's face, just due to safety. It's difficult to concentrate on a skill when you have strands brushing against your face or your hair is down. Usually, hair is pulled right back into a ponytail or bun and any wispy bits is hairsprayed down.
@@sclohessy4759 I also think I've read somewhere untidy hair (as in not perfectly in a bun/ponytail) get deductions just like bra straps showing and panty lines do, but I'm not sure if it's accurate
@@federicapiottoli6922 It could fall under the general "look put together" rule. Some of it tends to be ridiculous (like bra straps/underwear showing) but other things like "keep hair out of face" are genuine safety things that benefit the gymnast. I don't know if it's in the code or not but the rule with ponytails is that it can't touch the floor when you're in a handstand, but I'm not quite sure on that one. I've always had very short/pixie-cut hair 😅
Gymnasts can compete without makeup. I don't know if men can wear makeup though
@Federica Piottoli depends on the club you are at, some clubs say you must have a neat bun but some others say you can do what ever you want but for Usag and Fig no color hair, no bow or hair anything out of your clubs uniform colors like if you were a pink bow with a blue and white Leo that would be a 0.5 deduction on every event (speaking from experience) gymnastics can wear make up but not like a special effects I had a friend that wore sparkle eye shadow idk about men tho because I’ve never seen one wear make
I wonder how many of the so-called experts that are changing or eliminating these rules actually competed in the competitions
The majority of the members of the Women's Technical Committee (which drafts the Code) are former elite gymnasts.
well, this is what happens when you try co score technicality and artistry in one discipline at the same time.
The rules will be illogical for at least one of those two criteria (either too strict for the artistry to show, or too loose for the technicality scoring)
I was thinking the same thing. I mean, reducing the number of passes, so they can dance, but not allowing theatrical make-up because.....? Nit-picky. Wouldn't it make more sense to just have difficulty levels for everything, and let the gymnast and her coach decide? Rate artistry close to athletics, to insure you don't get routines that are all dance, or all athletics.
Not to be too picky, but standing on the bars was banned after the 85-88 quad. Rhonda Faehn, the US alternate on the 88 Olympic team, did a standing double twist dismount off the high bar in 1988.
The lunge out is both aesthetically pleasing and more careful of the health and wellbeing of the gymnasts and should be reinstated.
Standing in the corner stops the flow of the routine? I'm pretty sure the floor routine hasn't flowed since the early 90's.
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These rules make it worse for the performer and the spectator except for the no standing on the bars rule.
I think the makeup rule is stupid, thought the gymnast that did this Cats routine was super creative. As long as the makeup doesn't hamper them cause a danger then what does it matter. I believe gymnast are allowed to land and do a lunge, at least in lower levels.
You forgot "back-to-back" tumbling lines, made famous by Oksana Omelianchik, Daniela Silivas, and Dominque Dawes back in the 80s-90s. The fact that they have reduced the number of tumbling lines to 5 makes sense (to allow for more dance/artistry). I wish they would do something similar in men's gymnastics too where they basically just to pass after pass with no artistry at all now. But they should allow for some creativity in the passes. Allowing back-to-back passes is exciting as well as difficult and it doesn't disrupt the flow of the routine. th-cam.com/video/GnfEk9PcRxA/w-d-xo.html&t
I also think they should bring back the "back lunge", or at least have a happy medium where the gymnast only has to end their routine with a stick on the final pass. The other 3 passes should incorporate a lunge (both for safety reasons and artistic reasons). If you have to dance into your tumbling passes, then you should be able to dance out of them as well. Vanessa Atler used to have a double layout - punch front - dance jump element which she would run out of into more choreography. It was difficult and beautiful, but would not be considered a "stick" and incur a deduction under the current rules. th-cam.com/video/dlUVF6W-8OQ/w-d-xo.html&t
The standing on the bar rule makes sense, and so does the face paint rule. But the others I find questionable, and I believe they hinder the sport more than they help.
Is back-to-back tumbling banner? Or is it just not worth it under how routines are scored to make it worth while? Gymnasts need to pack as many high level skills into a routine as possible, and back to back tumbling makes that difficult to do. Unless someone can do a double twisting double back and rebound into a punch front and go the other way and do some sort of D or E skill.
Dawes' 1992 FX with the double pass is still enjoyable to watch - the music was so fun!
Back-to-back tumbling isn't banned. It just isn't worth many points any more. Most back-to-back passes of the 1980s revolved around double twists, which are C-rated and therefore not worth modern gymnasts' while. The double twist-punch front combination that was popular in the 1980s isn't eligible for a connection bonus in the current Code. Passes like Dawes' and Laschenova's would still be worth some points, but double-twisting double backs give you more points...
It's sad how few times a change is made for safety reasons. What shape will these young women's joints be in at age 40?
Though I myself have personally never done uneven bars, it's fascinating that I didn't realize standing on it had been banned for that long.
They do still stand on the lower bar at times to get to the higher bar. It does disrupt the flow of the routine. The Korbut flip probably isn't even physically possible anymore due to the bars being farther apart.
Elite gymnasts haven't been allowed to stand on the low bar to get to the high bar for some time now. You'll still see squat-ons and other standing low-to-high transitions at the lower levels (including NCAA), but not in elite gymnastics.
Also, the Korbut flip is still eminently possible, even with the bars being farther apart. It's one of few 1970s bars skills that IS still technically possible. The FIG just doesn't want gymnasts to stand on the bars.
I think they put the kibosh on the makeup because they didn't want have a trend started where every athlete would feel they need to dress up to do their floor routines. As someone who coaches gymnastics, I am thankful.
Very interesting to this member of the general public who doesn't know much about the sport. Thanks!
I never understood why they danced . Dancers dance , gymnasts jump , spin and tumble.
The people who scream "sexist" and "men are women and vise versa", make the females do sexually provocative moves.
Such hypocrisy.
Obviously gymnast dance too, because you see it at every competition. Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true.
@@theshadowfax239 I didn't say they didn't dance ,I can see them dance. I don't understand why they dance. Maybe we should make the shot put athlete dance just before they throw the ball , it would make the same sense .
@@rbspider I'm with you. The rules are dumb and the dancing is unneeded. The men don't dance so its arbitrary.
@@KasinoRoyale Thank you . What does the Dougie or Jitterbug have to do with a tumble.
Please do men Gymnastics as well, your work is dope
Yeah, let's not let athletes stand in the corner to catch their breath 🙄
I wonder whether facepainting is allowed in the javelin throw.
So that's why watching old gymnastic performances is more amusing
I'm obsessed with these videos
No standing on corners. Fine. I’ll do the flamingo stand then.
So long as there buts still hang out upside down I'm happy greatest SPORT ever
Banning the lunge is stupid, and the athletes are right, the cold “perfect stick” IS tougher on the ankles. All sports want to avoid ankle damage. It should be an overall rule to ban something that will consistently harm the ankle.
I know, that is terribly worded, but you get my drift.
These rules sure don't seem to give the slightest consideration to the welfare of the competitors. Kind of mind blowing!
They banned the standing bars moves in 85, but it didnt take effect until when? Because Rhonda Faehn did it as her dismount in 1988, also at the 1987 Worlds.
On the one hand I think it's stupid that they disallowed makeup and theatrics. On the other hand I can see how it can distract from form and technique which is supposed to be the point of the judging competition.
That has been removed from Olympic where I go they still have swat on’s. But if it’s not important for the Olympic you don’t need to focus on swat ons or step ups
i think the lunges should be okay plus it still looks quite nice i must say. Also depending on how their ankles land it could change their facial expression.
Women's gymnastics seems to be a lot of "meh, did I like it or not?"
Rules hysteria. How the hell can the athletes function with all these rules?
As a huge fan of NCAA gymnastics (I'm even going to the Pac12 championships next month), I find it interesting that elite doesn't allow the lunge or standing in the corner. Obviously they allow both in collegiate. They should allow it in elite as it gives the athletes a bit of safety.
god forbid the women's floor end up looking like the men's floor, the FIG is trying to teach us that the most important thing for female athletes is not safety, but 'grace' and 'dance' lol. along with their underscoring of simone's skills, it feels like they're resentful of the women performing more like the men.
As a gymnast after doing tricks I find it way easier to do a lung out in my opinion it helps reduce the chance of injuring your legs.
I defiantly think that makeup, lunges (for injuries), standing in the corner, (cause your girl needs to breathe), should be ok.
I've always thought that the area for floor routines should be a circle, rather than a square.
Yes, I know it could reduce the running distance to lead into tumbling and flips, but I think the constraint would result in more entertaining & athletic choreography.
Yes. I feel that critique about floor routines just being skill after skill with little choreography or...flair, I guess. I understand that what they are doing is incredibly difficult, and quite beautiful to watch, but I miss the more showmanship aspects of floor routines.
I have no idea what that's even supposed to mean. I thought the olympics was about sports, not theatre.
that's what the men's are, why are women expected to do a bunch of fluff, look pretty, and smile? either the men dance too, or this is all just hypocrisy from the FIG.
Gymnast s need to catch their breath for heaven’s sake. Everyone that changed the rules should go out on the gymnast mat, do what they do without catching their breath. Good grief.
Rhonda Faehn competed a standing double full as her bar dismount at 1987 Worlds, so standing on the bar wasn't removed in 1985.
Interesting that they limit certain things to promote artistry. I wish they would do something about it in figure skating too, the way it's become a jump fest is a bit less interesting (not to mention a visible recent history of increased injuries for some women)
However, this lounge back removal doesn't look like a good idea, does it? I mean- i cannot imagine the added pressure on the joints from doing these things in training all day long
0:35 - what about a squat on, pike on, toe circle/sole circle, etc.
Squat-ons and pike-ons were banned at the elite level quite some time ago. Toe-ons are still allowed.
That rule abt landing with both feet no stepping is hypocritical bc rules are meant to protect the health of the athletes.
Female gymnasts are expected to have music, dance, and choreograph to the music (it never seems particularly choreographed to me), but men don't -- they just have to show the skills. Goes to show gender inequality still goes in Olympic competition.
I know, men should have to perform to music too.
So many rules in gymnastics to me does not make a lot of sense. It seems like the people who make the rules have never done gymnastics. They just don't understand that doing a certain move a certain way could be possibly a lot more dangerous than doing it a different way.
What competition is that where Shawn Johnson is in the light orange leo?
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Okay abt the first one, how do you do your bar jumps? Because from the low bar to the high har you have to stand on bars for the jump
Squat-ons are no longer allowed in elite gymnastics. They've been banned for a while. You'll still see them at the lower levels (including NCAA), but they have been prohibited in elite gymnastics.
I think there should be a no makeup rule. So makeup doesn't get on the equipment.
Banning standing on the top bar is understandable. But to ban lunges and only allow stick landings is stupid and dangerous. They are going to be ending a gymnastics career early by making them do that. Rules should be made so that ur NOT getting hurt
Ok so should have been titled things FEMALE gymnasts arn't allowed to do.
The Celine van Gerner Rule is typical FIG hyper-managing at its best. So unnecessary 🙄
And the Corner Rule shows they have no idea that you cannot regulate artistry. The way that rule is written almost seems like they thought standing too long on two feet in the corner was contributing to the loss of artistry in the sport. Disallow it, and suddenly artistry comes roaring back, right? 🤦♂️ Sometimes I'm shocked this is our sport's governing body. No comprehension of how things work or the big picture. No understanding of nuance or non-dichotomous thinking. Sigh.
Very good!
All these rules are dumb. Just let them do cool flips and twirls with all the creativity they want.
I have a question ;
Are all the rules only for America or all around the world?
Rules are getting stupider now
“Since it’s dangerous” … this whole sport is dangerous
You can't stand on the bars because "it's dangerous" but you better stick your landing and risk permanently destroying your joints. I'll say it standing on the bars rules has nothing to do with safety. Just some gymnastics karren judges.
All that stupid rules are ridiculous.
Was there any reasons for these rules? The first one seemed to make sense as it looked like it was out of concern for their safety but the make-up one and the sticking the landing one seems odd.
The makeup is true but the standing one is not
All of these codes are abount women gymnasts. Are there no code chagnes for men gymnasts? Or are male participants called something else?
The Lunge out is not too bad.🙂 Interesting.
The first floor one is a lie but the second is true and the 3 floor one was a lie to and how I now this stuff is because I’m a gymnast and I complete
The standing on the bar thing isn't necessarily true
The gymnast might have to do a squat on and its mainly used to make the connections from the low bar to the high bar
Squat-ons were banned in elite gymnastics quite some time ago. You'll still see them at the lower levels (including NCAA), but elite gymnasts haven't been allowed to do them for some time.
Wait do these rules apply to what level you are or just all gymnast
thats what i was wondering!!!
They apply to elite gymnasts. Lower levels have their own rules.
Could you do something like this for high bar?
Thx for the rules to avoid, unsure about that 1st one, unless Seth Brundle's (Brundle-Fly) early state is allowed?
Wait is this for competitions? Or just in general?
this channel is based on Olympic gymnastics stuff for competitions depends on program team is following etc.
I keep telling my mother-in-law that face painting is illegal. I have to admit though that the "owl" look paint scheme is pretty intimidating......
I love the fact that these girls could do these moves in the first place
there's a lot more elements on the uneven bars that have been banned.
Nope. That is a misconception spread by TH-cam videos that are full of factual inaccuracies. The ONLY uneven bar elements that have been banned are skills that involve standing on the bars and over-the-bar dismounts. No other 1970s and 1980s skills are banned. They just aren't physically possible anymore due to the increased distance between the bars, or have such low difficulty values that gymnasts simply can't be bothered with them anymore.
As a gymnast I wish we could stand on the bars, it would be fun, but dangerous, but I have really good balance.