What is your opinion on the fact dance elements are capped at E? Do you think it's fair? Gymnasts like Sanne Wevers can't perform a Double Double, but could work on upgrading her spins if she was fairly rewarded for it. Why do you think dance elements are considered "less" than acrobatic skills? Just want to hear some opinions :)
I think it's fair on floor. I wouldn't like seeing that a gymnast making a triple twist, double front, full in, front 2.5 twist, etc and get the same difficulty as someone doing a quad Y turn for example. I think dance elements are easier to train and are less likely to injury and much less penalized in execution, for a turn you could get like 0.2 deducted for balance and precision (not counting falls) but for a triple twist you could get (flexed feet 0.1, leg separation 0.1, crossed legs 0.1, step or hop on landing 0.1 or 0.3, low chest 0.1 or 0.3, bent knees 0.1, out of bounds 0.1 or 0.3). Also you could increase the difficulty last minute, if you're planning a triple turn, you maybe could add that extra turn in the way if you're lucky and make it a quad, but no way you would be able to go for a triple twist and get lucky and make it a 3.5 or a quad, or make your full in a silivas. I hope I'm being clear
I think they should both raise the cap on dance elements and be more strict with execution, allowing to create and differenciate more types of turns. The routines would be way more interesting. This does not take anything out of gymnasts with great tumbling, but it allows to see different interpretations of "artistic" gymnastics. My dream COP would encourage both Simone Biles and routines that have outstanding composition and execution, resembling the best compulsories.
If the FIG is so worried about protecting the safety of its athletes, then why didn't someone investigate/blow the whistle on Larry Nassar? You can't tell me that scandal took them by surprise. You can't tell me they didn't even have an inkling what was going on with USAG.
Yep they are touting safety when it's really to narrow the margin between Simone and her competitors. If any other competitor was pulling moves like hers they would be adequately rewarded.
I really appreciate how each element is laid out and explained in real time (with pauses)...so many videos wait until they're doing the skill and then simply flash the names of the moves on the screen, but it's nice to be able to process everything as it happens.
Of course they will. They would state "that under further review, this move is ultra difficult and should be awarded properly" I'm just waiting for it.
Hell they might ban them once a girl breaks her neck when her coach is pushing her to do it when shes not ready. But I hope Simone always still does those skills even if they aren't scored correctly.... just to let these bitches know who's boss.
In a dream competition, Simone Biles is allowed to perform as many vaults as she wants so she makes the crowd collectively faint as she performs the Biles, the Yurchenko double pike, the Yurchenko triple twist and the standard Amanar and Cheng to flex even harder. 🤔
Allison, right? Can we have an All Star exhibition/competition where they can all just show off all of their best skills and not be limited by current formats and COP? I mean, if they can do it for ice skating (which is also really cool), why not gymnastics? Maybe one day.
@@leeann7347 I feel like it would never happen because it really hard on the gymnast body to be able to train so many difficult skills and I think at that point Simone might just be prone to injuries. Hopefully she competes the tty and weiler full at world cups just to get it named after her. Maybe just compete at a few more world championships to get the title of best vaulter, best Beamer ever in the world at the same time and maybe try to clinch a world gold on bars at well. I know there’s a high chance of her doing that at 2021 worlds considering it’s a new cycle and it tend to be a smaller competition so maybe she could try to upgrade bars and try to clinch a world gold on bar and finally have a gold on every event
I love your dream competition! Since we're dreaming, I'd like to add the Li Xiaopeng vault to Simone's arsenal (Cheng with 1 full additional twist). Has she even tried that vault? LOL
I need Simone to perform every skill she has ever trained at least once in competition before she retires, so she could have like 15 skills. The most gold medals, the most skills... Come through 💅🐐
YAS PLEASE! I am 💯 SO here for it! 😱😍 seriously though-she is just freaking *incredible* to watch! I’m literally counting down the days until Classics, when we FINALLY get to see *THE* GOAT 🐐 back in action again! 🤩😍🤯
@@bagelized I’ll seriously NEVER forget the very first time that Tim saw Simone do a Patterson beam dismount, I think it was the first day the 2013 P&G Championship or something like that...Out of all the completely outrageous, over the top comments he’s made over the years, this one absolutely KILLED me 😭🤣...he literally *freaked* out and damn near YELLED: “THAT WAS THE ABSOLUTE BEST IVE SEEN THAT DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF GYMNASTICS, ON PLANET EARTH-EVER!!!” 🤣🤣🤣 lol I had to rewatch it like four times, just to keep hearing his reaction hahah he seriously cracks me up 😂 lol!
It’s kind of warped logic huh. Because they give it a H when its probably more like a J, to discourage others by not high difficulty. But, isn’t that also saying it’s not that hard, so try it?
"Deserves" is a subjective term entitled people use to complain. Just because she can do something, doesn't mean she should, or that somehow because she can do it she should get more of a score for it. She needs to compete within the rules and scoring system, not whine about a system that "should" be in place to reward her. The goal should be perfection, not danger.
What simone said is exactly how i felt, the fig demands so much in terms of difficulty and execution, but when a gymnasts tries to use the code in their favor, they change it and make it more difficult to fir it in their routines, and the funny thing ks that they say they care about safety, yet they do not allow mats, training times, properly lit arenas, ket us not even start and talk about the disregard towards mental health and sexual assault.
@@captainbryce1 Unfortunately, the word on the street is she may NOT go for the Double Pike in the EF -- due to safety reasons -- as there won't be a one-touch warm-up. She most likely will go for the Double Pike in the AA, though.
@@captainbryce1 Personally, I'm praying she makes me eat my words and does go for it in the EF. Then she will mathematically win the Gold no matter what any of her competitors do!
Gymnasts know their limits. If something is too dangerous or they know they can’t complete it they won’t do it! So give credit to those that are able!!
You do realise that coaches still pressure their athletes to compete difficult skills. Look at Muhkina, her coach forced her to do a rollout skill and she broke her neck. These skills are so dangerous and would likely result in injury for most gymnasts.
Isn't it just unbelievable how she can actually pull off so much more than what we already witnessed. It seems she can only break one type of record:.....her own....👍👍💓🇵🇷
The way she performs the Amanar makes the TTY seem really easy to achieve. I always wondered why she didn't try it :/ In Rio, I was rooting so hard for Hong to get it, but I think Simone definitely has what it would take to land it perfectly.
In figure skating, the hardest jumps, quads, are rewarded with a huge number of points. There was one girl who started doing them a few years ago, and now there's a bunch of them doing it. If they gave that dismount a fair value for the difficulty and risk involved, I think there would be other gymnasts doing it within a few years.
Could she get both vaults named after her if she performs one for quals and the other for event finals? Assuming she performs her Cheng both times to meet requirements?
So i have a question as someone that doesnt know much about the mechanics of gymnastics, if the vault already has a name. Like the double pike is already named after the girl who originally "created" the move. Then how does she get to rename the move after herself? Is it because shes the first to land it in so long, or since shes uses it and does it well is it just like a simple name change thing?
@@chelseamiller2365 once a skill is named after a gymnast, it can’t be renamed. It can lose a name altogether though, depending on Nellie Kim’s mood 🤦♀️ you’d have to ask someone who know more about the women’s technical committee about THAT set of controversies lol
Don’t think she could successfully claim double layout dismount in terms of her training clip. The floor level would have to be at least 4 inches lower for her to finish the 2nd layout.
Cheng it seems impossible at the moment but it Simone we are talking about. Depending on the height she gets while dismounting it stands a chance of it happening on a mat.
@@brenden6218 I agree. What may seem impossible a while ago for Simone. months later after working on it every day (we don't know if that is happening) could very well be a reality time US trials.
@@aliciamcdonald7105 I remember some people saying she wouldn't be good at the yurchenko double pike one vault since she specializes in twist-like move like the bikes II and but now she's not only debuted it, but landed it several times
Why haven’t people with clout in the gymnastics world called out the FIG for their bullhockey reasoning in under-valuing Simone Biles’s double double dismount off beam? “Safety” is NOT a legitimate criterion for assessing skill difficulty relative to one another, or we would never let a gymnast’s hands and feet leave the ground at the same time. Difficulty rating is NOT the appropriate tool for addressing safety concerns. It’s completely illogical from any sane perspective, and represents either profound ignorance of the sport’s history, or a stunningly condescending attitude of superiority to expect us to be too stupid to remember the past or too awed by their omniscience to challenge the pronouncement. If a skill presents too great a risk that can’t be otherwise mitigated, then BAN it. Don’t manipulate the scoring.
I hate to think that it’s because she’s black. But unfortunately it could very well be. There really is no other reason not to reward and acknowledge her gift that has made room for her.
@@cjohnson7187 Oh good grief. Yeah, they're lowballing Simone because of her color... after awarding her the deserved scores & COP values for everything else. 🤦🏼♀️
@@cjohnson7187 honestly have to agree because there's literally other moves that are difficult but are still allowed and have a fair score. Her triple double is difficult but they didn't undervalue that so why do it to the beam dismount. There's skills like the produnova that are insane and could end bad but it's still allowed (can't believe even that vault has been lowered though smh). They're just mad because they don't want to see her continue to break records
"Crazy mind" shouldn't be used in the same sentence as "Simone Biles." I think the words you were looking for were inspiring, unbelievable, awe-inspiring, remarkable, extraordinary. ❤️
For me, she can do in competition the yurchenko double pike, the yurchenko triple twisting and the weiler 1/1 She is incredible, in every apparatus she is formidable😱😱
The low ranking of the double double off beam I feel may be race related. I don't understand how an Arabian, Teza, and full twist back handspring swing down pare allowed and not considered dangerous.. But a double double off the beam is too dangerous. It's just an extra twist. How is it any more dangerous than a full twisting double back?
I think the entire gym community is with you about the skewed values of that skill. That being said, there is zero evidence that it is race related and you shouldn’t be making those accusations lightly. In fact, the FIG has been so inconsistent throughout. Are you going to also say that FIG is against Produnova and her entire race because her front double off beam is only an F while her eponymous vault has been undervalued to the ground? Or many other gymnasts whose skills are either overvalued/undervalued? It makes no sense.
It is WAY more difficult if you wanna know, and it involves so much more risks. If the gymnast is still twisting while landing, a career ending injury is on the way. So since a full twisting double back is already super rare in competition because it’s really hard to master, a double-double with a, let’s say, I rating would clearly cause more Injuries to daring gymnasts who’ll try the skill to gain more D-score but fail and twist their ankle, break their neck, and many more injuries that could happen just trying to train the dangerous skill
@@bagelized I agree that this should not be viewed as FIG being racist. I think this is a case of FIG being STUPID. Simone SUCCESSFULLY competed the skill. It could not have happened until it would have gone through MANY attempts, first in pits, then on mats and then on floor. SO if another gymnast wants to perform the double double off beam, surely they and their coach would have to be following the same route and if they some how get to that level as Simone, who is FIG to suggest that they shouldn't in a quest to' protect gymnast from performing dangerous skills". Isn't gymnastic by nature probably the most dangerous sport out there? Simone is a once in a lifetime athlete, her skills, talent and SUCCESSFUL attempts to push the boundaries of the sport should be REWARDED not dissuaded.
@@dancingrick1014 I didn't ask if it 's difficult, I asked how I'd it any more dangerous. We've seen so many slow twisting amanars get drilled into the mat. Many gymnast have injured themselves attempting it.
@@bagelized I just can't figure out how they deemed it dangerous. Difficult yes... But too dangerous? The triple double I can see being too dangerous.. Mostly due to the dark competition lighting they've been doing now. Of all the skills... I just can't understand why they chose this one. 🤷🏾♂️
So because other gymnasts aren't as skilled, she can't get credit for how amazing she is??!! MAKES NO SENSE. If other gymnasts want to try it, it's up to them and their trainers and families, this is ridiculous.
I think the double layout dismount of beam is far from being feasible, even for Simone. Catalina Ponor also tried it in training too but they both landed too low to do it safely. It’s humanely not possible now given the height of the beam, even if Simone’s form was beautiful. That would be a real safety issue (as opposed to the double double).
What sorta BS is that... we dont wanna give the move the rating it deserves...because it would discourage others... What??? Would they do that to a man??
Simone knows veritably what is and what will not receive it's due. But she is motivated to keep pushing herself to be better. Imagine Simone just playing the same tunes as her 2016 and polishing up her bars, people would say she phoned it in. I am just glad that the FIG will have to someday eat poo twice, once for limiting and again when someone reminds them of this the day they cheese grin and lift it, and pretend that person was the first.
I feel the double double dismount is so unfair, she does it so well! Clearly she isn’t going to injure herself doing it so well. She is truly in a league of her own
Even though they might not give her the value she deserves, they know it’s real value and they still know she’s proven herself as the best in the world so 🤷🏾♀️
I totally agree with Simone about the scoring and the skills. give the difficult skill the score it deserves! if other gymnasts try it and get injured, that’s on them. you know the risk, and know the consequences. but stop holding back the g.o.a.t, stop putting a limit on greatness just because others can’t achieve it. It’s like what miss Taylor Swift said, “did all the extra credit, then got graded on a curve”
While I completely understand she may be done with the sport because she needs to protect her health because of what she is suffering through both medically and mentally I really hope she gets that yurchenko named after her. She is spectacular and you can see how much work and time and tears she put into that skill. I hope to see her one last time at a FIG event.
They should push the standards... It makes you better & Biles is leading the way. If she can do it any gymnast with hard work & training can too. Stop placing limitations on the sport these new moves make the sport more exciting to watch.
She’s so talented that she makes the other girls look average. She makes ELITE GYMNAST look like they’re in practice. I still enjoy seeing the other Americans show off their style but SB something else.
I just want her to have fun, man. Don't make her hate something she's so amazing at, ya know? I hope she opens a gym one day and trains the next generation to push the boundaries of gymnastics, bring back the originality and competitive edge we used to see back in the day.
In regard to the FIG ensuring safety.... #1 There is like only one gymnast who performs the full-in beam dismount at this time anyway (Simone)... so how do "all" gymnasts factor into the double-double decision. (lies!)...#2 The triple-double seems much more dangerous to me. Simone almost flew off the floor exercise performing that particular skill at the 2019 world championships, while the double-double has looked beautifully controlled (high chest and stuck landing). There's something fishy afoot.
she already has 5 Skills named after her 2 on Vault 1 on Beam and 2 on Floor favorite on this list is the triple Yurchenko vault that family of Vaults has been competed for more than 40 years
The points classification on her double double dismount irritates me more every time I see her compete without it. This is exactly what open scoring was implemented for. FIG bans skills it deems too dangerous. So ban it or score it correctly, but don't backdoor a ban by cheapening the value of the athletic achievement.
I'm still so mad about the double double. Barely anyone even goes for the one twist version. No one is going to be competing the double double anytime soon. Their reasoning is complete BS IMO
I feel the only fair scenario here is to let her perform those skills, have them under her name and ban them if it’s such a safety concern for other gymnasts. Is not fair for Simone other athletes are not on her level. Her skills should be recognized and recorded cuz that girl is making HISTORY !!!!
i feel like simone is the kind of gymnast to debut a new skill for the sake of showing that the sport can still pushed forward, even if it's undervalued in the CoP.
I was thinking of more signature moves by Biles if she wants to push the gymnastics limits. Here is my guesses..... The Biles 3 on Floor Exercise will be a triple twisting triple somersault in a straight position but with the hand over the air for the first part of the aerial. This will be Grade F on the FIG if Biles completes that. The Biles 4 - would be the dismount on the uneven bar, usually the high part of the bar - a reverse triple somersault in tuck position before landing. Hard to do. If she lands great, it will be Grade G on the FIG. The Biles 5 - on floor exercise - would be a quintuple pirouette spin in pike position (5 revolutions) when the gymnast does the center work on the floor. This would be Grade F to G in the FIG if she can do this. Next to impossible to pull out such a pike unless you have great flexibility. The Biles 6 - also on Floor exercise - would be like an "arco-iris" (double straight leg jumping-and-turning kick) in Capoeira. It will be a pike jump with either 1/2 or a full turn before landing. If half a turn, this would be Grade F. If a full turn, this would be Grade G. I know that Simone may not complete these new moves even though she already has 4 moves named for her. But now that she is out of the "twisties" issues, she wants to risk herself even more on the gymnastics sites......
Ooo I was thinking about the BS with the double/double (anyone wanna bet that in the CoP after Simone retires they will change the value of the skill because they know or ASSume that no one else will try it...) So seeing her throwing a triple/double off the beam into the foam pit had me thinking... What about a triple/double off the bars???? That would be so SICK (,in the BEST way!!) I would love to see that attempted 😁😁
There's not a clear line on a when something is pushing the envelope in a way that deserves proper credit and when it's too dangerous to be given said credit... Lots of elite skills could cause (and have caused) injury/ death. Why suppress the innovation & talent of Biles & others, past & present? Wasn't this the point of changing the scoring system from capping at a 10.0 to having an unlimited difficulty value??
Id like a no limit on turns on beam. In that case of course double and triple wolf turns should be down graded a bit I guess? If not the sextuple wolf 🐺 turn would be….?
I think that is what they said is bs. Simone can do these things by going above and beyond others. That is what being the goat is. As for the other gymnasts, you practice and try different skills and if you are not prepared or not sure don't try it, know your limits.
I agree with you, but I see the point of trying to limit who tries it. Gymnasts should know their limits and I'm sure they do, but there have been documented cases of gymnasts pressured into trying skills they are not ready for, with catastrophic results. Maybe that doesn't happen as much, but we can't know for sure what goes on behind the scenes in every country, I mean if USAG has such a horrifying history of abuse hidden for decades, can we be sure is not similar in other countries? I agree that it's terribly unfair to Simone though, and instead of trying to shortchange her skills I think the FIG should look into the programs of all countries and implement strict protocols to avoid situations like that
I did not think of those other issues, you are right, other countries push their athletes. Simone's unique physical structure coupled with her talents should be considered by others as something to try to aspire to. The height of her passes on floor exercises compared to her actual height is amazing and would probably scare other gymnasts.
So full of BS, so unfair! They are trying to make it easier for others to compete with her but can we at least try to understand how hard this girl has tried? If she dominates, let her! Jeeeez
I thinks she doesn’t those skills anyway to have it on record. In case someone comes along to claim they were the first to do it. She’s a smart girl. She is setting the bar high.
I think some of this trick will never be succesfully performer by others, because Simone Biles is just having the perfect body for gymnastics : small and very strong. This gives the the advantage to others to turn a lot faster, most other gymnasts are to long/big to perform those tricks without bailing.
Odd how the voice-over decides not to note that if she performed the double layout off the beam she'd have landed on her face. Takes nothing away from her, but it's not really a competition-ready skill if you complete the rotation below the level of the floor...
I’m with that change. Very, very few gymnasts actually make it look beautiful and it is such an overused skill. I get that’s due to the difficulty but I’m tired of seeing it in every floor and beam routine.
Simone is definitely pushing the limits on beam. I don't know about the weiler full, that's a clear change in direction and warrants a deduction (I think). She can do it in front grip and do a full pirouette to eagle, like the men do, but she can't do it like that. When pirouetting, I thought you cannot come down on the same side you went up. Also, it would be called a Yurchenko triple, not a triple Yurchenko. She's only doing one yurchenko. Much like you call it a handspring double front, not a double front handspring.
Ok so because of here landing they can't allow her to do it there's plenty of girls do there thing and the landing aren't always perfect,so why would they hold her back from a skill only she could do without a perfect landing should be good enough why cause she can do it!!!
What is your opinion on the fact dance elements are capped at E? Do you think it's fair?
Gymnasts like Sanne Wevers can't perform a Double Double, but could work on upgrading her spins if she was fairly rewarded for it.
Why do you think dance elements are considered "less" than acrobatic skills?
Just want to hear some opinions :)
I think it's fair on floor. I wouldn't like seeing that a gymnast making a triple twist, double front, full in, front 2.5 twist, etc and get the same difficulty as someone doing a quad Y turn for example. I think dance elements are easier to train and are less likely to injury and much less penalized in execution, for a turn you could get like 0.2 deducted for balance and precision (not counting falls) but for a triple twist you could get (flexed feet 0.1, leg separation 0.1, crossed legs 0.1, step or hop on landing 0.1 or 0.3, low chest 0.1 or 0.3, bent knees 0.1, out of bounds 0.1 or 0.3). Also you could increase the difficulty last minute, if you're planning a triple turn, you maybe could add that extra turn in the way if you're lucky and make it a quad, but no way you would be able to go for a triple twist and get lucky and make it a 3.5 or a quad, or make your full in a silivas. I hope I'm being clear
@gym fan- tastic the rhythmic gymnastic is fo that kind of grace. they have plenty of all that in that sport
I think they should both raise the cap on dance elements and be more strict with execution, allowing to create and differenciate more types of turns. The routines would be way more interesting. This does not take anything out of gymnasts with great tumbling, but it allows to see different interpretations of "artistic" gymnastics. My dream COP would encourage both Simone Biles and routines that have outstanding composition and execution, resembling the best compulsories.
It’s not a dance competition
@@emoreland Neither it's power tumbling.
Sis is so good she really invented a new skill on accident 😭
LMAOOO
If the FIG is so worried about protecting the safety of its athletes, then why didn't someone investigate/blow the whistle on Larry Nassar? You can't tell me that scandal took them by surprise. You can't tell me they didn't even have an inkling what was going on with USAG.
Exactly!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 oh no they can’t have any gymnast actually being great though.
Right? Trying to “protect” gymnasts from skills created be an excelling black woman but didn’t care about the abuse by a sexual predator. Priorities.
Yep they are touting safety when it's really to narrow the margin between Simone and her competitors. If any other competitor was pulling moves like hers they would be adequately rewarded.
This was exactly what I was thinking
Speak on it !!!
I really appreciate how each element is laid out and explained in real time (with pauses)...so many videos wait until they're doing the skill and then simply flash the names of the moves on the screen, but it's nice to be able to process everything as it happens.
I'm guessing that as soon as Simone Biles stops competing, they will upgrade those skills to their proper values.
Of course they will. They would state "that under further review, this move is ultra difficult and should be awarded properly" I'm just waiting for it.
Why would they do that???
Like why would they wait? 🙄
@@pisceanqueen1 cause if they graded it in the right grade no one can beat biles on floor
Hell they might ban them once a girl breaks her neck when her coach is pushing her to do it when shes not ready. But I hope Simone always still does those skills even if they aren't scored correctly.... just to let these bitches know who's boss.
@@LadyLakeland If you are worried about breaking neck, they should ban gymnastic entirely. Ever single move move in gymnastic can break necks
In a dream competition, Simone Biles is allowed to perform as many vaults as she wants so she makes the crowd collectively faint as she performs the Biles, the Yurchenko double pike, the Yurchenko triple twist and the standard Amanar and Cheng to flex even harder. 🤔
Lemme know where I can get tickets 🤸🏾♀️
Allison, right? Can we have an All Star exhibition/competition where they can all just show off all of their best skills and not be limited by current formats and COP? I mean, if they can do it for ice skating (which is also really cool), why not gymnastics? Maybe one day.
Well they had the superstars of gymnastics in 2019 which was sort of similar, a step in the right direction for those kinds of events
@@leeann7347 I feel like it would never happen because it really hard on the gymnast body to be able to train so many difficult skills and I think at that point Simone might just be prone to injuries. Hopefully she competes the tty and weiler full at world cups just to get it named after her. Maybe just compete at a few more world championships to get the title of best vaulter, best Beamer ever in the world at the same time and maybe try to clinch a world gold on bars at well. I know there’s a high chance of her doing that at 2021 worlds considering it’s a new cycle and it tend to be a smaller competition so maybe she could try to upgrade bars and try to clinch a world gold on bar and finally have a gold on every event
I love your dream competition! Since we're dreaming, I'd like to add the Li Xiaopeng vault to Simone's arsenal (Cheng with 1 full additional twist). Has she even tried that vault? LOL
I need Simone to perform every skill she has ever trained at least once in competition before she retires, so she could have like 15 skills. The most gold medals, the most skills... Come through 💅🐐
It’s the year 2030. A withering Tim Daggett: “this gymnast plans to perform the Biles XVII...”
@@bagelized LMAOOO
YAS PLEASE! I am 💯 SO here for it! 😱😍 seriously though-she is just freaking *incredible* to watch! I’m literally counting down the days until Classics, when we FINALLY get to see *THE* GOAT 🐐 back in action again! 🤩😍🤯
@@bagelized I’ll seriously NEVER forget the very first time that Tim saw Simone do a Patterson beam dismount, I think it was the first day the 2013 P&G Championship or something like that...Out of all the completely outrageous, over the top comments he’s made over the years, this one absolutely KILLED me 😭🤣...he literally *freaked* out and damn near YELLED: “THAT WAS THE ABSOLUTE BEST IVE SEEN THAT DONE, IN THE HISTORY OF GYMNASTICS, ON PLANET EARTH-EVER!!!” 🤣🤣🤣 lol I had to rewatch it like four times, just to keep hearing his reaction hahah he seriously cracks me up 😂 lol!
I want her to come back to a competition post Olympics just to debut a bunch of skills before bouncing. lol
They don’t give her the value she deserves for the dismount cuz it’s “safety? LLmao okay cuz no could touch her
It’s kind of warped logic huh. Because they give it a H when its probably more like a J, to discourage others by not high difficulty. But, isn’t that also saying it’s not that hard, so try it?
@Russell Hayman it’s not racism dude. They do it to everyone
@Russell Hayman but that doesn’t make it racism 💀
She Can All Of Them But They don't want Her To Do It.... She's The Greatest Gymnist Ever
"Deserves" is a subjective term entitled people use to complain. Just because she can do something, doesn't mean she should, or that somehow because she can do it she should get more of a score for it. She needs to compete within the rules and scoring system, not whine about a system that "should" be in place to reward her. The goal should be perfection, not danger.
What simone said is exactly how i felt, the fig demands so much in terms of difficulty and execution, but when a gymnasts tries to use the code in their favor, they change it and make it more difficult to fir it in their routines, and the funny thing ks that they say they care about safety, yet they do not allow mats, training times, properly lit arenas, ket us not even start and talk about the disregard towards mental health and sexual assault.
Imagine having her double double dismount an H and a then a sextuple wolf turn at H... that's just criminal
Dance moves don't go over E tho
@@daro2404 that’s why she said “imagine”.. >__
I just hope that she stays healthy and doesn't get hurted!
“Hurt” not “hurted”. Hurt applies to all tenses (“was hurt”, “is currently hurt”, “will get hurt”)
@@captainbryce1 teach me 😍
Exactly. That’s what I’m most worried about. In sports, so often this much hype seems to become hex instead.
@@macioamaral2888 it’s not that hard dude
Hurt *
Imagine if she competed the half on double twist off and the double pike on vault. She’d compete a Biles and Biles II!
I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what she’s going to attempt in the Olympics vault final.
@@captainbryce1 Unfortunately, the word on the street is she may NOT go for the Double Pike in the EF -- due to safety reasons -- as there won't be a one-touch warm-up. She most likely will go for the Double Pike in the AA, though.
@@captainbryce1 Personally, I'm praying she makes me eat my words and does go for it in the EF. Then she will mathematically win the Gold no matter what any of her competitors do!
I’m pretty sure that’s what she’s gonna do.
I really hope she does!!!
Gymnasts know their limits. If something is too dangerous or they know they can’t complete it they won’t do it! So give credit to those that are able!!
I couldn't agree more. They trained so hard for those
WROOOONG Plenty of athlets injured themself.
You do realise that coaches still pressure their athletes to compete difficult skills. Look at Muhkina, her coach forced her to do a rollout skill and she broke her neck. These skills are so dangerous and would likely result in injury for most gymnasts.
Isn't it just unbelievable how she can actually pull off so much more than what we already witnessed. It seems she can only break one type of record:.....her own....👍👍💓🇵🇷
The way she performs the Amanar makes the TTY seem really easy to achieve. I always wondered why she didn't try it :/
In Rio, I was rooting so hard for Hong to get it, but I think Simone definitely has what it would take to land it perfectly.
i think if she did the TTY she would almost always have too much rotation and not land it
My favorite is the triple yurckenko
The FIG is ridiculous, they did a lot of things just to prevent this sport from being dominated by some specific athletes rather than keep it safe.
In figure skating, the hardest jumps, quads, are rewarded with a huge number of points. There was one girl who started doing them a few years ago, and now there's a bunch of them doing it. If they gave that dismount a fair value for the difficulty and risk involved, I think there would be other gymnasts doing it within a few years.
Could she get both vaults named after her if she performs one for quals and the other for event finals? Assuming she performs her Cheng both times to meet requirements?
Yesss, 💯
I was going to ask the same thing? It would be super cool, but would she risk it 🤔
I can see her doing the double pike for quals at least, but she’d probably play it safer for finals.
So i have a question as someone that doesnt know much about the mechanics of gymnastics, if the vault already has a name. Like the double pike is already named after the girl who originally "created" the move. Then how does she get to rename the move after herself? Is it because shes the first to land it in so long, or since shes uses it and does it well is it just like a simple name change thing?
@@chelseamiller2365 once a skill is named after a gymnast, it can’t be renamed. It can lose a name altogether though, depending on Nellie Kim’s mood 🤦♀️ you’d have to ask someone who know more about the women’s technical committee about THAT set of controversies lol
Don’t think she could successfully claim double layout dismount in terms of her training clip. The floor level would have to be at least 4 inches lower for her to finish the 2nd layout.
Cheng it seems impossible at the moment but it Simone we are talking about. Depending on the height she gets while dismounting it stands a chance of it happening on a mat.
If anything she would perfect the skill when it’s time remember her not landing the bilesll yrs before just playing around in the gym
@@brenden6218 I agree. What may seem impossible a while ago for Simone. months later after working on it every day (we don't know if that is happening) could very well be a reality time US trials.
@@aliciamcdonald7105 I remember some people saying she wouldn't be good at the yurchenko double pike one vault since she specializes in twist-like move like the bikes II and but now she's not only debuted it, but landed it several times
Simone biles is next level good! She amazing!!!
The Double Double on Beam is amazing
WTC: "You need to increase difficulty"
Also WTC: "Don't increase difficulty, it's too dangerous".
That double double off the beam tho. 😍
The best skill I love from Simon is that the skill of being unbeatable, unique and such a powerful woman.
Wasn't unbeatable at the Olympics, was she?
Why haven’t people with clout in the gymnastics world called out the FIG for their bullhockey reasoning in under-valuing Simone Biles’s double double dismount off beam?
“Safety” is NOT a legitimate criterion for assessing skill difficulty relative to one another, or we would never let a gymnast’s hands and feet leave the ground at the same time. Difficulty rating is NOT the appropriate tool for addressing safety concerns. It’s completely illogical from any sane perspective, and represents either profound ignorance of the sport’s history, or a stunningly condescending attitude of superiority to expect us to be too stupid to remember the past or too awed by their omniscience to challenge the pronouncement.
If a skill presents too great a risk that can’t be otherwise mitigated, then BAN it. Don’t manipulate the scoring.
I hate to think that it’s because she’s black. But unfortunately it could very well be. There really is no other reason not to reward and acknowledge her gift that has made room for her.
@@cjohnson7187 Oh good grief. Yeah, they're lowballing Simone because of her color... after awarding her the deserved scores & COP values for everything else. 🤦🏼♀️
@@cjohnson7187 honestly have to agree because there's literally other moves that are difficult but are still allowed and have a fair score. Her triple double is difficult but they didn't undervalue that so why do it to the beam dismount. There's skills like the produnova that are insane and could end bad but it's still allowed (can't believe even that vault has been lowered though smh). They're just mad because they don't want to see her continue to break records
@@michellebaker6302 it must be nice to not understand how racism, bias, colorism or prejudice works
@@kilaa3417 I understand perfectly. I just don't throw around those terms without any evidence of it. I know, I know, I'm crazy like that. 🤷🏼♀️
"Crazy mind" shouldn't be used in the same sentence as "Simone Biles." I think the words you were looking for were inspiring, unbelievable, awe-inspiring, remarkable, extraordinary. ❤️
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Exactly!!!
For me, she can do in competition the yurchenko double pike, the yurchenko triple twisting and the weiler 1/1
She is incredible, in every apparatus she is formidable😱😱
The low ranking of the double double off beam I feel may be race related. I don't understand how an Arabian, Teza, and full twist back handspring swing down pare allowed and not considered dangerous.. But a double double off the beam is too dangerous. It's just an extra twist. How is it any more dangerous than a full twisting double back?
I think the entire gym community is with you about the skewed values of that skill. That being said, there is zero evidence that it is race related and you shouldn’t be making those accusations lightly. In fact, the FIG has been so inconsistent throughout. Are you going to also say that FIG is against Produnova and her entire race because her front double off beam is only an F while her eponymous vault has been undervalued to the ground? Or many other gymnasts whose skills are either overvalued/undervalued? It makes no sense.
It is WAY more difficult if you wanna know, and it involves so much more risks. If the gymnast is still twisting while landing, a career ending injury is on the way. So since a full twisting double back is already super rare in competition because it’s really hard to master, a double-double with a, let’s say, I rating would clearly cause more Injuries to daring gymnasts who’ll try the skill to gain more D-score but fail and twist their ankle, break their neck, and many more injuries that could happen just trying to train the dangerous skill
@@bagelized I agree that this should not be viewed as FIG being racist. I think this is a case of FIG being STUPID. Simone SUCCESSFULLY competed the skill. It could not have happened until it would have gone through MANY attempts, first in pits, then on mats and then on floor. SO if another gymnast wants to perform the double double off beam, surely they and their coach would have to be following the same route and if they some how get to that level as Simone, who is FIG to suggest that they shouldn't in a quest to' protect gymnast from performing dangerous skills". Isn't gymnastic by nature probably the most dangerous sport out there? Simone is a once in a lifetime athlete, her skills, talent and SUCCESSFUL attempts to push the boundaries of the sport should be REWARDED not dissuaded.
@@dancingrick1014 I didn't ask if it 's difficult, I asked how I'd it any more dangerous. We've seen so many slow twisting amanars get drilled into the mat. Many gymnast have injured themselves attempting it.
@@bagelized I just can't figure out how they deemed it dangerous. Difficult yes... But too dangerous? The triple double I can see being too dangerous.. Mostly due to the dark competition lighting they've been doing now. Of all the skills... I just can't understand why they chose this one. 🤷🏾♂️
So because other gymnasts aren't as skilled, she can't get credit for how amazing she is??!! MAKES NO SENSE. If other gymnasts want to try it, it's up to them and their trainers and families, this is ridiculous.
Simone Biles Greatness is a danger to other Athletes safety.👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾👸🏾
That's all i remember from this video.
The double layout off the beam would be insane!! Not sure we’ll see it from Simone, but maybe someday someone will do it.
People used to think that the double layout on floor was impossible so maybe we’ll see it on beam?
I have always watched in awe as she does that wolf turn on the beam. It’s wild how much control she has.
I hope she gets the itch and comes back to elite. I have a gut feeling she will. She isn't done yet and we aren't done being blown away by amazing.
Surprised you didn't include the triple back tuck
Anything Simone does is beautiful. ❤️
I think the double layout dismount of beam is far from being feasible, even for Simone. Catalina Ponor also tried it in training too but they both landed too low to do it safely. It’s humanely not possible now given the height of the beam, even if Simone’s form was beautiful. That would be a real safety issue (as opposed to the double double).
I wonder if Simone has any frequent flier miles.. She’s absolutely AMAZING! 🤯😃 🥇🏆👏
What sorta BS is that... we dont wanna give the move the rating it deserves...because it would discourage others... What???
Would they do that to a man??
No - men are too good at demanding credit and recognition. LOL.
Simone knows veritably what is and what will not receive it's due. But she is motivated to keep pushing herself to be better. Imagine Simone just playing the same tunes as her 2016 and polishing up her bars, people would say she phoned it in. I am just glad that the FIG will have to someday eat poo twice, once for limiting and again when someone reminds them of this the day they cheese grin and lift it, and pretend that person was the first.
I love your videos!!
Thank youuu 😍
I feel the double double dismount is so unfair, she does it so well! Clearly she isn’t going to injure herself doing it so well. She is truly in a league of her own
Even though they might not give her the value she deserves, they know it’s real value and they still know she’s proven herself as the best in the world so 🤷🏾♀️
History sis that's what they are after. They don't want it to be said in 100yrs to come that the best ever to do it was a black woman.
Think she’s already done that hasn’t she ?
I'd be all for Simone getting a named skill on bars.
It’s about time
It's the only one she still needs before she has a skill on every apparatus
She could definitely attempt a 2 1/2 double or triple double dismount on bars given the height she already gets on the double double she performs.
Simone Biles is moving too fast for even the sport to follow! She will be a gymnastic icon for a century!
I totally agree with Simone about the scoring and the skills. give the difficult skill the score it deserves! if other gymnasts try it and get injured, that’s on them. you know the risk, and know the consequences. but stop holding back the g.o.a.t, stop putting a limit on greatness just because others can’t achieve it.
It’s like what miss Taylor Swift said, “did all the extra credit, then got graded on a curve”
While I completely understand she may be done with the sport because she needs to protect her health because of what she is suffering through both medically and mentally I really hope she gets that yurchenko named after her. She is spectacular and you can see how much work and time and tears she put into that skill. I hope to see her one last time at a FIG event.
They should push the standards... It makes you better & Biles is leading the way. If she can do it any gymnast with hard work & training can too. Stop placing limitations on the sport these new moves make the sport more exciting to watch.
All I can say is . . .
wow
She’s so talented that she makes the other girls look average. She makes ELITE GYMNAST look like they’re in practice. I still enjoy seeing the other Americans show off their style but SB something else.
I love her skills like it’s incredible
I just want her to have fun, man. Don't make her hate something she's so amazing at, ya know? I hope she opens a gym one day and trains the next generation to push the boundaries of gymnastics, bring back the originality and competitive edge we used to see back in the day.
She owns a gym, World Championship Gym and she's an instructor in an online Masterclass. Yes, she'll be awesome as a coach.
2020 Tokyo. Would be good if she competed and completed with the team.
In regard to the FIG ensuring safety.... #1 There is like only one gymnast who performs the full-in beam dismount at this time anyway (Simone)... so how do "all" gymnasts factor into the double-double decision. (lies!)...#2 The triple-double seems much more dangerous to me. Simone almost flew off the floor exercise performing that particular skill at the 2019 world championships, while the double-double has looked beautifully controlled (high chest and stuck landing). There's something fishy afoot.
she already has 5 Skills named after her 2 on Vault 1 on Beam and 2 on Floor favorite on this list is the triple Yurchenko vault that family of Vaults has been competed for more than 40 years
The points classification on her double double dismount irritates me more every time I see her compete without it. This is exactly what open scoring was implemented for. FIG bans skills it deems too dangerous. So ban it or score it correctly, but don't backdoor a ban by cheapening the value of the athletic achievement.
She is the best of the best❤️❤️
I'm still so mad about the double double. Barely anyone even goes for the one twist version. No one is going to be competing the double double anytime soon. Their reasoning is complete BS IMO
They score her skills way too low
I feel the only fair scenario here is to let her perform those skills, have them under her name and ban them if it’s such a safety concern for other gymnasts. Is not fair for Simone other athletes are not on her level. Her skills should be recognized and recorded cuz that girl is making HISTORY !!!!
i feel like simone is the kind of gymnast to debut a new skill for the sake of showing that the sport can still pushed forward, even if it's undervalued in the CoP.
Simone Biles is the GOAT gymnast! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I was thinking of more signature moves by Biles if she wants to push the gymnastics limits. Here is my guesses.....
The Biles 3 on Floor Exercise will be a triple twisting triple somersault in a straight position but with the hand over the air for the first part of the aerial. This will be Grade F on the FIG if Biles completes that.
The Biles 4 - would be the dismount on the uneven bar, usually the high part of the bar - a reverse triple somersault in tuck position before landing. Hard to do. If she lands great, it will be Grade G on the FIG.
The Biles 5 - on floor exercise - would be a quintuple pirouette spin in pike position (5 revolutions) when the gymnast does the center work on the floor. This would be Grade F to G in the FIG if she can do this. Next to impossible to pull out such a pike unless you have great flexibility.
The Biles 6 - also on Floor exercise - would be like an "arco-iris" (double straight leg jumping-and-turning kick) in Capoeira. It will be a pike jump with either 1/2 or a full turn before landing. If half a turn, this would be Grade F. If a full turn, this would be Grade G.
I know that Simone may not complete these new moves even though she already has 4 moves named for her. But now that she is out of the "twisties" issues, she wants to risk herself even more on the gymnastics sites......
Wish she’d done the weiler full so she could have a move on all 4 events
Ooo I was thinking about the BS with the double/double (anyone wanna bet that in the CoP after Simone retires they will change the value of the skill because they know or ASSume that no one else will try it...) So seeing her throwing a triple/double off the beam into the foam pit had me thinking... What about a triple/double off the bars???? That would be so SICK (,in the BEST way!!) I would love to see that attempted 😁😁
Bet if a white man did that last skill they would have given him full credit 🥱
Simone 👍👍👍👍👍🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡
Love from Russia
The double double dismount should have been valued higher.
There's not a clear line on a when something is pushing the envelope in a way that deserves proper credit and when it's too dangerous to be given said credit... Lots of elite skills could cause (and have caused) injury/ death. Why suppress the innovation & talent of Biles & others, past & present?
Wasn't this the point of changing the scoring system from capping at a 10.0 to having an unlimited difficulty value??
before she retires i hope she just throws all of these for fun to see how many skills she can get named after her
If she wasn't American, they'd let her fly.
You mean if she wasn't black..
I think a lot about how there is literally not a single person on her level to the point where they BAN the moves she can do.
Id like a no limit on turns on beam. In that case of course double and triple wolf turns should be down graded a bit I guess?
If not the sextuple wolf 🐺 turn would be….?
So how can the sport improve with that Fig rule??? How is it benefiting the sport?
I think that is what they said is bs. Simone can do these things by going above and beyond others. That is what being the goat is. As for the other gymnasts, you practice and try different skills and if you are not prepared or not sure don't try it, know your limits.
I agree with you, but I see the point of trying to limit who tries it. Gymnasts should know their limits and I'm sure they do, but there have been documented cases of gymnasts pressured into trying skills they are not ready for, with catastrophic results. Maybe that doesn't happen as much, but we can't know for sure what goes on behind the scenes in every country, I mean if USAG has such a horrifying history of abuse hidden for decades, can we be sure is not similar in other countries? I agree that it's terribly unfair to Simone though, and instead of trying to shortchange her skills I think the FIG should look into the programs of all countries and implement strict protocols to avoid situations like that
I did not think of those other issues, you are right, other countries push their athletes. Simone's unique physical structure coupled with her talents should be considered by others as something to try to aspire to. The height of her passes on floor exercises compared to her actual height is amazing and would probably scare other gymnasts.
FIG need fi revisit them position
whitney bjerken does amazing wolf turns.
So full of BS, so unfair! They are trying to make it easier for others to compete with her but can we at least try to understand how hard this girl has tried? If she dominates, let her! Jeeeez
I thinks she doesn’t those skills anyway to have it on record. In case someone comes along to claim they were the first to do it. She’s a smart girl. She is setting the bar high.
Se- what-!! 😂 😂 😂
I think some of this trick will never be succesfully performer by others, because Simone Biles is just having the perfect body for gymnastics : small and very strong. This gives the the advantage to others to turn a lot faster, most other gymnasts are to long/big to perform those tricks without bailing.
exactly,she can jump really high therefore perform some seriously difficult routines.
The triple twisting Yurchenko
even if they correctly score simones skills, no ones gonna do them anyone cuz they just cant
It still pisses me off that they undervalued the double double on beam. Ugh
I'm sure she will never have a beam mount named after her.
It’s sad when you put a safety risk on it just because other gymnasts can’t pull it off.
I think I'm didn't know Simone Biles is doing Double Double Dismount off her Balance Beam.
it still makes me angry every time I hear or think about how the FIG screwed Simone out of the difficulty on her double double dismount
Odd how the voice-over decides not to note that if she performed the double layout off the beam she'd have landed on her face. Takes nothing away from her, but it's not really a competition-ready skill if you complete the rotation below the level of the floor...
Wolf turns are getting capped at one for 22-24 COP
I’m with that change. Very, very few gymnasts actually make it look beautiful and it is such an overused skill. I get that’s due to the difficulty but I’m tired of seeing it in every floor and beam routine.
The FIG doesn't want the daredevil talented people doing difficult things.
Godwin beat her to it on the weiler -full.
Amannar the twist my favorite cause I know it’s hard as shit
Punishing someone for being great . That’s not even American
So this is a sport that puts skill limitations. Don't like that! Let it be upon athletes to determine what is safe.
Simone is definitely pushing the limits on beam. I don't know about the weiler full, that's a clear change in direction and warrants a deduction (I think). She can do it in front grip and do a full pirouette to eagle, like the men do, but she can't do it like that. When pirouetting, I thought you cannot come down on the same side you went up. Also, it would be called a Yurchenko triple, not a triple Yurchenko. She's only doing one yurchenko. Much like you call it a handspring double front, not a double front handspring.
GOAT
Ok so because of here landing they can't allow her to do it there's plenty of girls do there thing and the landing aren't always perfect,so why would they hold her back from a skill only she could do without a perfect landing should be good enough why cause she can do it!!!
she also made famous in 2022 tokyo olympics for bailing out last minute.....its called simone bailed out 😂😂😂
I could see her doing experimental stuff as she gets bored with everything else