Well done to Justin and the boys, this is my patio and they worked very hard, they are great people very down to earth and know their stuff!! So happy with the result, thank you!! 😃
Lovely job Justin yeah no cross joints and always look to go no further than 1800mm on straight line normally try keep it to 1500mm. Have the smooth flowpoint for a porcelain job haven’t used it yet. Thanks for the video buddy
Hi Lee Hooe you are well mate good points there mate thanks .we can only by the one type of flowpoint here nobody sells it mate ill have to look more in to it good points mate thanks Justin 👍💯
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping Will using the flowpoint soon oh forgot to say a ended up with a box 48 a think of Cadbury’s cream eggs. Boy Brad would diced through them in no time lol must say there ain’t much left once the kettle is on got have a few 😆😆😆
@@lmilne4859 good luck with the flowpoint then. Brad eat all mine and i dont think his kids got a chance with there easter eggs i no he will eat them 🤣🤣🤣😉
Hi Justin, hoping you can help. All done just needs sealing, looking for a colour enhancing effect but not overly glossy, having a look it seems like a bit of a minefield with regard to sealers. The stone is mixed porosity, mostly porous, some not so much. I don't suppose you could suggest a suitable sealer? Would be ace if you could. Hope all is good.
Looks great pal👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 done that stone last year got my niece, I number them 1-2-3-4 smallest up easy too ask for right slab without the mad confusion 😆done that😜 I used the easy joint not cheap, I put blue tac at the joint ends too block it👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Bob for the comment and thanks for the tips so simple but never thought numbers for the slabs i like it mate and blue tac ill remember that one . Take it easy mate Justin 👍🧱
Ive got Indian sandstone and its stunning but it does take a little more care, it will stain, so oil etc are no good, just give it a good clean then seal, I use a wet look.
Hi Justin, wondered if you could help me. I've just completed a small indian stone patio and fancy a go with the flow point. The problem is, I've cladded some existing concrete steps with the paving (risers & treads) and ideally would like to point the risers in the same stuff as the patio. Do you know if theres any way of pointing the vertical joints on the risers with flowpoint?? Thanks again, Joe 🏴
Morning Joe. So here is what we do . Yes can flow point the riser with the same product as the main patio. Flowpoint the patio get that done and completed first.Come back to the risers just mix up the flow in say a bucket but dont use it straight away let it start to set in the bucket. When its set enough for you to wear gloves and with your hands push it into the risers filling the joints has to be at the ideal set time to work it into the joints. Then its the same process of washing the steps down at the right time Good luck joe hope thats of help to you any issue give me a ring if you like Justin 👍
@andysparks7381 it's a bonding agent to bond the back of the slab to the cement that's all it is andy . Hope that helps good luck .you could use sbr mixed with cement if you have that in the USA 🇺🇸 🏴👍
My patio is open to a raised back through road from which water falls and collects on my patio. Should I lay an aco drain where the through road meets my patio, against my house or both? Also must the aco drain lead to a gully or like, or is it designed to just catch water and evaporate?
Id try and stop the water coming on to the patio area first off . If not the aco drains need to drain into ie gully or soakaway depending on the site area . If draining into an existing drain id recommend checking first with your local council if its acceptable.
@bulikhba In my opinion there is nothing wrong with traditional sand cement pointing . This however in my mind is better and lasts so id go for flowpoint over sand and cement 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscapingCheers! What gradient did you lay these to? Google has 2 answers, 1 in 80 and 1 in 60. I'm going to 150 under DPC, no. channel against the house.
Very thorough and helpful thanks guys! I really don't mean to sound like I'm discrediting your craftsmanship... But how hard is this to do for a DIYer that can't afford to have a professional in? And is a good job still achievable? Also.. when you use your spirit level for the fall, what are you looking for? Where should the bubble be for the correct fall? Thanks
Its a bit of work charles and each stage has to be spot on .It can be done take each stage at a time .Bubble should be just passed the line . Good luck.👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping thanks for your reply! Do you have a starter video I can go to to see how it's done? Or any pointers? I suppose my biggest question is how do you get the right amount of bed/muck down?
His Christopher Yes ive done many steps with them just cut them to fit your size . There are videos just done one with indian stone its on the playlist called fooded masterpiece the steps we built 👍👌🧱
Hi Justin Nice job , I love indian sandstone ? Done some thisxwreek raj in colour, when it's wet the beautiful colours that come out are fantastic ? Top stuff again mate , flowpoint makes it a day quicker in pointing mate eh , one of the old school things that I thank fook I don't do now lol , have a good easter mate 👍
Hi Justin. Great vid. I absolutely detest cross joints too mate😩Also, we call our slabs ‘Big Big’, ‘Big Square’, ‘Little Square’ and ‘Little Long One’😂😂👍👍Paul and Dan in Kent..Good luck☘️👍
Lovely job of the laying mate 👍 looks great as does all your work. Im not convinced on the pointing that product seems long winded and abit inconsistent?? We use Sika fast fix jointing compound its expensive but its quicker , easier, cleaner and gives a better finish than the gear your using mate.
Thanks for the comments appreciate it . All i can say is ive used the sika products and i find them rubbish. Flow point is in my opinion far better just my opinion. 👍
Sika only lasts for a few years max, flowpoint lasts 10xs that, I joint everything with it now it’s bomb proof, yes it’s harder and messy to put in but you can have the confidence that you’re never going to get a call back because the joint failed or they jetwashed the joint out. Charcoal smooth looks great and I’ve just used a flowpoint fine grade that looks even better
@@richwallwin Totally agree Richard. I used to use the sika stuff i personally found it didn't last and some tubs were better than others. Each to there own 👍
@@richwallwin you say the sika product only lasts a few years?? Ive never been called back to a job to repoint and i did my own patio with it over 5 years ago and its still sat there fine.....you claim flow point lasts 10x longer that would mean 20years??? Has it been out that long?? And have you used it and gone back and checked it from 20 years ago? You must excuse my ignorance I don't know how long its been on the market for.
@@TheTraditionalGolfer flowpoint has been out 25 years and they’ve done a key study on a project in Norway where they’ve been back 10 years later and it still there rock solid. So if it can survive in their extreme cold winters it’s got to be one of the leading products about. Im sure there’s a lad on TH-cam that went back years later to one he’s done I think it’s brock landscaping or something along them lines forgive me if I’ve got it wrong. It’s used on so many comical projects all over the world so just imagine the amount of hammer it takes from vehicles and foot traffic, would a pre mixed resin resists that? It’s also cheaper than sika. Obviously I don’t know your practices and everyone’s got their way of working if you look after your patio then ye probably will last but 99% of customers never do any maintenance. I’ve used pre mixed resins, 2 part resins, traditional mortar and flowpoint, out of all of those flowpoint beats them all by a mile, I wish I’d known about it 10 years ago but it’s never really been pushed advertisement wise on us “small businesses” and my local builders merchants have only just started stocking primer so they’re way way behind the curve.
Hi Justin, I had my Indian stone done over two years ago, the joints are breaking up, so I decided to take them out, but as I'm doing it, the slabs are coming lose, also I didn't know but they only dabbed four corners and blob in the middle, do I have to take the whole lot up or just repair where needed 😏
Thomas im sorry to say the dab laying method isn't good practice. Its never going to last .Id say take it all up and re use the slabs.lay on full beds of 4 parts sharp sand to 1 cement. Use paving slurry painted on the back of each unit for bonding. Then grout it with flowpoint or marshalls exterior jointing compound. In my opinion those methods are the best for sand stone. Obviously make sure the base is sufficient and well compacted .Tick all the drainage requirements aswell. Hope that helps and good luck. Justin 👍
Thanks giles. Yes perfect for cobbles but just read the joint thickness etc just make sure your joints are ok you down load technical info on line for flowpoint 👍
Quick question, I'm having to redo the grouting on my Indian stone patio following a very bad job done by our contractor. I'm planning on using a silver sand and cement mix for a lighter colour. Question is does the joint need to be wet when I apply the mix? Read that the stone can draw out the moisture from the cement and lead to cracking or crystallising. I've never done this before so trying to research as much as I can. Any help is really appreciated. Thanks
Hi 1983 Mad year that just after the Falklands war anyway. If its a sand and cement mix i would mix up 3 parts sand 1 part cement into a semi dry mix. On a dry day but not hot hot like we have had .Also on a dry patio dry joint but if the joint is damp its ok .push the cement into the joint with a bricklayers jointing bar and the bar along the top to shape the joint. Hope that helps you out good 83. Justin 👍
I am retired and have not laid slabs fo 15 years my neighbour wants me to lay a patio for him Indian sand stone so I am a bit out of touch thank you very much for your help
Hi, we have recently had Indian sandstone put down. We have had a few issues with it. Some slabs have not bedded in properly, so they have had to be relayed. My issue is, we have quite a few slabs that have little movement in them corner to corner. The company we used are telling me this is normal as they are a natural stone and if it’s not lifting fully out when standing on one corner it does not need to be relayed. All that have movement are also sounding hollow. Again we’re told this is because of the natural stone. Is there any truth to this? Cheers :))
Joseph all i will say is our patios are layed with no hollow sounds and no movement in slabs because of the way we install the patio. As for commenting on other people's work thats not for me to judge .👍
Good video. May I ask if laying the smooth polished indian sandstone is more labour intensive? Someone said you had to coat the back of each slab due to being porous compared to the riven ones? Thanks
Steve they are the same slabs just one is smooth and the other not other than that they are the same .i wouldn't charge more labour to lay smooth myself .as for painting the back of the slab i would just you the paving slurry for bonding . Thanks my opinion on it mate Justin 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping cheers for getting back to me just thinking of potential staining problems as my joints are quite big so it may take a while to go off
Thanks for the video, very informative. Can you answer a couple of question please. I have a large concrete base that used to have a summer house on , it is in good condition and about 4.5m x 5.5m in size. Is it okay to lay slabs on top of the base and what mix would be best? Also can you roller on a water sealer after to give it a wet look/sheen, if so what would you recommend ?. thanks
Hi beamer If no cracks a visible and you can create the right falls for drainage the base is perfect for laying slabs on. Sbr the base first you can buy at the merchants follow the instructions it seals and helps with bending. I use 4 parts sharp sand 1 part cement with a plastizer for workability. Hope that helps . Good luck Justin 👍
When doing this one bag at a time, can you see where you stopped and started again? Or does it blend together. Also is there a minimum depth of application? Thanks
Hi Jo Minimum depth is 20 mm if i remember rightly mate. Never seen where one bag has stopped and another started no issue there but each time you mix it the correct water has to be used . Try the link for technical data Justin 👍 linksharing.samsungcloud.com/o5AE5sv08V6M
I'm a landscaper down in Sussex, I still lay loads of Sandstone as I mostly take on slightly smaller projects. I also still point the traditional way, does flow point require a permeable base?
surely no cement base pointing is permeable only resin coated sand types are ? if you lay on a solid bed how can that be permeable ??@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping
Basically the channel drainage to its bottom of the channel is approx 150mm lower the dpc.By using the channel you your are keeping any water lower than the raised height of the paving. Don't forget the fall here is running away from the house so not into the drainage but any water blown back to the house will go in the channel so its protecting the dpc .Hope that helps JC. Justin 👍
Cracking work as always Justin and boys. With the random patterns used...do cross joints have to be avoided where possible? Our neighbour has had sandstone patio and we've counted 47 Cross Joints in less than 45m2 of patio. It looks strange on the eyes. Seems like the pattern is wrong. Always wondered about cross joints.
Hi Daniel Hope your well.Cross joints are just nasty on the eye so with planning and correct laying they should be avoided. In my opinion it looks awful and its lazy laying and planning. I think the patio without any cross joints looks better looks right and more professional but thats just my own opinion. Brandstone who supplied our paving gave us a laying pattern with a cross joint in the middle of the patio i threw it in the bin to me it would of looked awful. All opinions and each to there own Daniel Justin 👍🏴
I asked the builders merchant for the the laying plan, I’ll have to check who the supplier was? It has straight joint at about 3m intervals and they span 1.850m approx, these short of joints don’t look to bad so far, I wouldn’t want them to be any longer but am concerned if I don’t follow the plan I’ll end up running out of the right size slabs. My project packs don’t have “thing” slabs, just 1/4, halves, squares and large rectangles. Four types
Hi pal canny beat natural stone son . How much does flowpoint cost mate itching to try it , how many square mtrs does a bag cover. Where do you get ur knee pads mine are shite got a pair with one velcro strap on each ,kneel down and its off . Got these solid rubber ones with adjustable straps, ripped the rubber apart after 4 days . looking good mate looking smart with the barnet cut . awra best
Alright Allan 🤣🤣 had to get it cut i couldn't see through it mate 🤣🤣 flowpoint is a out £20 a bag and i did about 20m2 with 3 and a half bags but i recess my joint a bit. The knee pads a brilliant mate internet buy ill have to try and look back where i got em from my other knee pads a nailers they are good to. Thanks for the comments mate always appreciate it 🤣🤣👍💯🏴
I just use a leaf blower to remove all that excess sand from the surface. Way easier and faster, no sludgy mess. Then you can just use light mist setting on the cracks, no disturbance to the smoothness of the lines
Hi. Great video. I'm laying indian 6m x 5m riven sandstone in a few weeks. Just doing the groundwork at the moment. I m a diy'er and wondering what fall did you put on the slabs. I was planning on doing a 1 in 60 fall but it looks too steep so thinking now of 1 in 80 so 75mm over the 6m. What would you recommend would 1 in 80 be enough?
Hi they do recommend 1:60 for a fall .A lot of professional pavers use 10/15mm evey 1m long .we tend to use the spirit level and get the bubble on the line .Hope that helps and good luck 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping hi guys, so yous put block work all the way round so you could level it off easier is that right? It's a good idea never thought of that, cracking job as well lads 👍
@@peterash9524 Hi peter Yes your right there but also to keek the patio independent from the fence so any replacement or maintenance had no impact on the patio or vice versa. Appreciate the comments mate 👍
I’m laying golden fossil 45m2 at moment in stages when I have time, quite a few slabs are quite rough so I’m using a 10mm per meter fall , hopefully this will avoid any rain water build up, it’s a diy job so I’m here looking for tips on the pointing, I’ve made sure to rake out the pug where the slabs meet to allow for a thick joint going below the slabs, it would cost a lot to use the flow joint on mine because of the voids so am thinking of using 3building, 1sharp, 1cement, wet mix and sponge off the slabs as I go, what do you reckon?
@@xxwalhalaxxmozza7415 Id flow point all day over sand and cement but if your using sand cement. 3 and 1 mix so you could do this 1 sharp 2 building sand 1 cement. Id recommend a semi dry mix less water stronger mix .Dont stain the slabs then either. Good luck Justin 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping I shall retract my last statement 🤭 I thought it looked like you crept the bond over 100ml or so,,, but it’s not,, it’s when bond get close,, ei,, when them shitty fifth sized slab gets used,, “that” 😂 I call them “funky monkey” to my labourer 😂. On the vid when you first damp the area,, it’s just to the right of the darker looking slabs. My bad!! Pay NO attention to me people’s 🙄
And yes meant a cross joint. And yes,, they can destroy the look of a nice patio. Personally,, I now save our “funky monkeys” for cuts only,, found a brilliant laying pattern for a four size,, which is easy to “break and extend” if you know what I mean,, when patio is say 8 by 3 but laying pattern is only 4 by 3. Sorry again for jumping on the negative wagon 🙄
Yeh Indian sandstones not gunna be around much longer just getting it in the country is become silly money with the container costs and let’s face it it’s just never gunna beat porcelain now ( well apart from if a client what’s a more rustic look that’s just porous goes green easily and traditional pointing always comes out ha ! ) I take up more sandstone patios than I lay now by far 😂 I remember laying it 20 years ago ha it was shocking the difference in depths
Hi Giles Yes i remember it being all different thickness 20 years ago mate a challenge to lay it the labourer would shout out to me thick one or really thin so i could bed up right. I still love Indian sandstone but as you rightly say porcelain is now better due to its lower maintenance but its not a natural product thats where sandstone will always win for me but porcelain is the winner now by far . Thanks giles take care mate 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping used one for first time on Indian sandstone the other day and once you get the mix right I thought it worked really well , hard on the back though and I would suggest two guns with one person filling them and will need to trowel up later when mix has started to set
Don't know why your getting smart arsed comments from some subscribers, yourself, johnboy ,matty n scott tidybricks lay slabs/porcelain with ripples in the mortar along with bevelling the mortar away frow the slab edge ,they must be doing it wrong aswell 🙈👍
Shouldn't furrow your bed keep that for brickwork, you get a better bond without the furrowing also its not mixed well enough there's two many straight lines going through the job should mix it up more it's not random enough also as it's porous you can actually seal it before you grout it 👍
You have a point about pre sealing yes the rest theres nothing wrong with it .As long as its sealed after its fine some clients may not be able to afford pre sealing but its a valid point point the rest your just picking holes and you no it
No honestly not picking holes I used to furrow bed myself but it's actually better not to furrow bed I only make a little recess in mortar bed around edges of slabs I am laying against but furrowing is not needed it actually can leave voids under paving and there are a few long straight lines in job that I personally think are to long and should be broken earlier to made job more random 👍
@@scoyle1750 i do get what you are saying about the beds and voids .Ive tied it your way but i find it better to add more bed furrow and hit it hard down .As for the long lines its fine we use a marshalls laying pattern. Your entitled to your opinions i respect that 👍💯
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping your definitely not using a laying pattern as lines to long and if you are stick it on TH-cam next to your paving but definitely better not furrowing it's all about getting your bed right so you can use mallet to bed slab into mortar without having to over hammer, also good paver never looks at a laying pattern 👍
Sounds like he's muttering, can't hear a damn word he's saying. AND he's doing it wrong. You're supposed to make a dry-pack, his mortar is for brick not stone.
Sorry for the sound my apologies we try out best.As for doing it wrong and dry pack what ever that is .screed mix you mean is it.You can actually lay on a screed mix yes or a wet mix either is right so to say im doing it wrong i disagree but i respect your opinion thats fine. Thanks for the comment Justin 👍💯
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping Take it from somebody who has been doing this work since 1985 and every different way there is (including your way), I'm telling you, while your patio will look fine for a long time, those stones will gradually separate from that mortar bed and will sound hollow underneath, cracks will appear in the mortar joints. The way I do it now, I learned from a Portuguese stone mason and is by far the best way.
@@bonanzatime 1989 i started. They way i am doing it with the bonding slurry and sharp sand mix is 💯 Good practice practice nothing wrong with it but if you dont agree that is fine no issue with me .i also have no issue with your laying process ive done it each to there own i guess . Just different opinions thats all . Good luck . Justin 👍💯
Well done to Justin and the boys, this is my patio and they worked very hard, they are great people very down to earth and know their stuff!! So happy with the result, thank you!! 😃
Thanks Claire was a pleasure working for you and Bob .
Hope you enjoy the patio. Appreciate the feedback.
Justin 👍💯
So glad you mentioned cross joints soooo many people have no clue what they are. I see them on loads of jobs other people have done 🤨
Yea its definitely not the best look is it .we use a pattern we work from to avoid cross joints David .Appreciate the comments mate 👍
Lovely job Justin yeah no cross joints and always look to go no further than 1800mm on straight line normally try keep it to 1500mm. Have the smooth flowpoint for a porcelain job haven’t used it yet. Thanks for the video buddy
Hi Lee
Hooe you are well mate good points there mate thanks .we can only by the one type of flowpoint here nobody sells it mate ill have to look more in to it good points mate thanks
Justin 👍💯
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping
Will using the flowpoint soon oh forgot to say a ended up with a box 48 a think of Cadbury’s cream eggs. Boy Brad would diced through them in no time lol must say there ain’t much left once the kettle is on got have a few 😆😆😆
@@lmilne4859 good luck with the flowpoint then.
Brad eat all mine and i dont think his kids got a chance with there easter eggs i no he will eat them 🤣🤣🤣😉
Hi Justin, hoping you can help. All done just needs sealing, looking for a colour enhancing effect but not overly glossy, having a look it seems like a bit of a minefield with regard to sealers. The stone is mixed porosity, mostly porous, some not so much. I don't suppose you could suggest a suitable sealer? Would be ace if you could. Hope all is good.
I never seal it sorry due to alot of suppliers recommending its not sealed so cant help with that one sorry 👍
Looks great pal👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 done that stone last year got my niece, I number them 1-2-3-4 smallest up easy too ask for right slab without the mad confusion 😆done that😜 I used the easy joint not cheap, I put blue tac at the joint ends too block it👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Bob for the comment and thanks for the tips so simple but never thought numbers for the slabs i like it mate and blue tac ill remember that one .
Take it easy mate
Justin 👍🧱
Just don’t go past 5 or the labourer is fucked👍🏻😆😆😆
Great work guys it's good to see craftsmen who are proud of what they do, keep pausing it to try a work out the pattern.
Ive got Indian sandstone and its stunning but it does take a little more care, it will stain, so oil etc are no good, just give it a good clean then seal, I use a wet look.
Si it's nice I've got it aswell great advice mate 👍
The stone work in the garden is very beautiful, it is very much appreciated that you share your videos greetings from San Felipe Chile
Vianka when ever you comment i always picture your beautiful country. Your welcome and i always appreciate your comments.
Justin 👍
Hi Justin, wondered if you could help me.
I've just completed a small indian stone patio and fancy a go with the flow point. The problem is, I've cladded some existing concrete steps with the paving (risers & treads) and ideally would like to point the risers in the same stuff as the patio.
Do you know if theres any way of pointing the vertical joints on the risers with flowpoint??
Thanks again, Joe 🏴
Morning Joe.
So here is what we do .
Yes can flow point the riser with the same product as the main patio.
Flowpoint the patio get that done and completed first.Come back to the risers just mix up the flow in say a bucket but dont use it straight away let it start to set in the bucket. When its set enough for you to wear gloves and with your hands push it into the risers filling the joints has to be at the ideal set time to work it into the joints. Then its the same process of washing the steps down at the right time
Good luck joe hope thats of help to you any issue give me a ring if you like
Justin 👍
Lovely result. Can you remember what volume of sand and cement you used?
Thanks very much.
Yes we always use 4 parts sharp sand and 1 part cement 👍👌👌
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping I meant how much did you use for the whole patio?
@House Fairy
Oh 🤣🤣 so sorry no i cant remember that .
Sorry 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping Ok, don't worry. Probably a ton of sand at least though! :)
@House Fairy id say more like 2 to 3 tonne
Beautiful job! Do you think that slurry you paint on the underside is absolutely necessary? What kind of material is it?
Yes it is andy the slabs with work loose otherwise 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping Good deal. The products you use in the UK aren't available in the States. I guess I can substitute another material.
@andysparks7381 it's a bonding agent to bond the back of the slab to the cement that's all it is andy .
Hope that helps good luck .you could use sbr mixed with cement if you have that in the USA 🇺🇸 🏴👍
Excellent job well done
Thanks
My patio is open to a raised back through road from which water falls and collects on my patio. Should I lay an aco drain where the through road meets my patio, against my house or both? Also must the aco drain lead to a gully or like, or is it designed to just catch water and evaporate?
Id try and stop the water coming on to the patio area first off .
If not the aco drains need to drain into ie gully or soakaway depending on the site area .
If draining into an existing drain id recommend checking first with your local council if its acceptable.
Would you say this is better than traditional sand and cement pointing? And is it long lasting
@bulikhba
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with traditional sand cement pointing .
This however in my mind is better and lasts so id go for flowpoint over sand and cement 👍
Great flow point tutorial 👌
Thanks reesy 👍
Looks great, I've got quite a lot to lay soon. I'd be tempted to point and rub in as I go, hmmm.
Thanks and good luck 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscapingCheers! What gradient did you lay these to? Google has 2 answers, 1 in 80 and 1 in 60. I'm going to 150 under DPC, no. channel against the house.
@dmak2 as long as thr bubble on the level is on the line thats usually an adequate fall 👍
Thanks for the tips boys , I’ve got a load of flagging to do in our garden so need all the help I can get 😬🧱👍🏼
Welcome anytime steve 👍💯🧱
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping 🧱👍🏼
Great job looks beautiful 💪
Apprentice the comments thanks Ryan
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Would you recommend sealing sandstone before applying flowpoint?
Well you can do that and yes it wouldn't do it any harm. We don't do it but i can see a benefit to it
Very thorough and helpful thanks guys! I really don't mean to sound like I'm discrediting your craftsmanship... But how hard is this to do for a DIYer that can't afford to have a professional in? And is a good job still achievable?
Also.. when you use your spirit level for the fall, what are you looking for? Where should the bubble be for the correct fall?
Thanks
Its a bit of work charles and each stage has to be spot on .It can be done take each stage at a time .Bubble should be just passed the line .
Good luck.👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping thanks for your reply! Do you have a starter video I can go to to see how it's done? Or any pointers?
I suppose my biggest question is how do you get the right amount of bed/muck down?
@Charles Milligan
Loads of videos on the channel charles go on the playlist for patios.
Bed needs to be between 30 and 50 mm .👍
Great video, did you seal this on the same day?
Thanks peter
No we didn't mate 👍
I am going to re-point my Indian sandstone - which product would you recommend - nexus pro joint titan or flowpoint ?
Never used thr nexus but its an epoxy grout isnt it .if it was me for indian sandstone id use flowpoint 👍
Can I ask if you install the patio with a run for drainage or is it all flat. Apologies if you mentioned it and I missed it
Yes it's got a slight fall on it 👍
Hi, what do you cut the Indian Stone with to ensure it all fits together, especially at the edges?
Hi kelvin
Generally a diamond blade suitable to cut indian sandstone
Great video. I’m planning on using the same pavers for out my back. Have you ever done steps with them? Any videos?
His Christopher
Yes ive done many steps with them just cut them to fit your size .
There are videos just done one with indian stone its on the playlist called fooded masterpiece the steps we built 👍👌🧱
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping legend thanks 👌
Really useful video, thank you so much
Mr Patel
Hope your well and thank you 👍
Hi Justin
Nice job , I love indian sandstone ? Done some thisxwreek raj in colour, when it's wet the beautiful colours that come out are fantastic ? Top stuff again mate , flowpoint makes it a day quicker in pointing mate eh , one of the old school things that I thank fook I don't do now lol , have a good easter mate 👍
Yet again agree on all you say John
Have a great weekend yourself 🤣🤣💯👍
Boom, The flow point masters, Makes a change being off Southfork for a bit lol , Nice job guys.
Dont no about masters but yes a break from Southfork🤣🤣🤣
Hi Justin. Great vid. I absolutely detest cross joints too mate😩Also, we call our slabs ‘Big Big’, ‘Big Square’, ‘Little Square’ and ‘Little Long One’😂😂👍👍Paul and Dan in Kent..Good luck☘️👍
🤣🤣 great 🤣🤣
Appreciate the comments paul and Dan and good luck to you both
Justin 👍
Great job!
Thanks
Lovely job of the laying mate 👍 looks great as does all your work.
Im not convinced on the pointing that product seems long winded and abit inconsistent?? We use Sika fast fix jointing compound its expensive but its quicker , easier, cleaner and gives a better finish than the gear your using mate.
Thanks for the comments appreciate it .
All i can say is ive used the sika products and i find them rubbish. Flow point is in my opinion far better just my opinion. 👍
Sika only lasts for a few years max, flowpoint lasts 10xs that, I joint everything with it now it’s bomb proof, yes it’s harder and messy to put in but you can have the confidence that you’re never going to get a call back because the joint failed or they jetwashed the joint out. Charcoal smooth looks great and I’ve just used a flowpoint fine grade that looks even better
@@richwallwin
Totally agree Richard.
I used to use the sika stuff i personally found it didn't last and some tubs were better than others.
Each to there own 👍
@@richwallwin you say the sika product only lasts a few years?? Ive never been called back to a job to repoint and i did my own patio with it over 5 years ago and its still sat there fine.....you claim flow point lasts 10x longer that would mean 20years??? Has it been out that long?? And have you used it and gone back and checked it from 20 years ago? You must excuse my ignorance I don't know how long its been on the market for.
@@TheTraditionalGolfer flowpoint has been out 25 years and they’ve done a key study on a project in Norway where they’ve been back 10 years later and it still there rock solid. So if it can survive in their extreme cold winters it’s got to be one of the leading products about.
Im sure there’s a lad on TH-cam that went back years later to one he’s done I think it’s brock landscaping or something along them lines forgive me if I’ve got it wrong.
It’s used on so many comical projects all over the world so just imagine the amount of hammer it takes from vehicles and foot traffic, would a pre mixed resin resists that? It’s also cheaper than sika. Obviously I don’t know your practices and everyone’s got their way of working if you look after your patio then ye probably will last but 99% of customers never do any maintenance. I’ve used pre mixed resins, 2 part resins, traditional mortar and flowpoint, out of all of those flowpoint beats them all by a mile, I wish I’d known about it 10 years ago but it’s never really been pushed advertisement wise on us “small businesses” and my local builders merchants have only just started stocking primer so they’re way way behind the curve.
Hi Justin, I had my Indian stone done over two years ago, the joints are breaking up, so I decided to take them out, but as I'm doing it, the slabs are coming lose, also I didn't know but they only dabbed four corners and blob in the middle, do I have to take the whole lot up or just repair where needed 😏
Thomas im sorry to say the dab laying method isn't good practice. Its never going to last .Id say take it all up and re use the slabs.lay on full beds of 4 parts sharp sand to 1 cement.
Use paving slurry painted on the back of each unit for bonding.
Then grout it with flowpoint or marshalls exterior jointing compound. In my opinion those methods are the best for sand stone.
Obviously make sure the base is sufficient and well compacted .Tick all the drainage requirements aswell.
Hope that helps and good luck.
Justin 👍
Lovely job as always, quick question would you recommend flowpoint for granite cobblestones ?
Thanks giles.
Yes perfect for cobbles but just read the joint thickness etc just make sure your joints are ok you down load technical info on line for flowpoint 👍
Quick question, I'm having to redo the grouting on my Indian stone patio following a very bad job done by our contractor. I'm planning on using a silver sand and cement mix for a lighter colour. Question is does the joint need to be wet when I apply the mix? Read that the stone can draw out the moisture from the cement and lead to cracking or crystallising. I've never done this before so trying to research as much as I can. Any help is really appreciated. Thanks
Hi 1983
Mad year that just after the Falklands war anyway.
If its a sand and cement mix i would mix up 3 parts sand 1 part cement into a semi dry mix.
On a dry day but not hot hot like we have had .Also on a dry patio dry joint but if the joint is damp its ok
.push the cement into the joint with a bricklayers jointing bar and the bar along the top to shape the joint.
Hope that helps you out good 83.
Justin 👍
What is the slurry mix called you put on the underside of the slabs please
Hi Andrew
We use pave tuff slurry from travis perkins
I am retired and have not laid slabs fo 15 years my neighbour wants me to lay a patio for him Indian sand stone so I am a bit out of touch thank you very much for your help
@@andrewleach1323 you be fine im sure .if you need any help give me a ring if you want .
Justin 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping thanks Justin much appreciated
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping Justin they delivered cementone SBR with the slabs can that be used the same sorry to bother you
Hi, we have recently had Indian sandstone put down. We have had a few issues with it. Some slabs have not bedded in properly, so they have had to be relayed. My issue is, we have quite a few slabs that have little movement in them corner to corner. The company we used are telling me this is normal as they are a natural stone and if it’s not lifting fully out when standing on one corner it does not need to be relayed. All that have movement are also sounding hollow. Again we’re told this is because of the natural stone. Is there any truth to this? Cheers :))
Joseph all i will say is our patios are layed with no hollow sounds and no movement in slabs because of the way we install the patio.
As for commenting on other people's work thats not for me to judge .👍
Good video. May I ask if laying the smooth polished indian sandstone is more labour intensive? Someone said you had to coat the back of each slab due to being porous compared to the riven ones?
Thanks
Steve they are the same slabs just one is smooth and the other not other than that they are the same .i wouldn't charge more labour to lay smooth myself .as for painting the back of the slab i would just you the paving slurry for bonding .
Thanks my opinion on it mate
Justin 👍
Bang tidy lads. That flow point still makes me nervous. What happens if the Karcher packs up 😬
😀😀😀 just run away mate .
Well walk i dont run anymore 🤣🤣
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Do you think you could add cement dye to this stuff to make it a buff sand colour?
No idea been thinking the same myself 👍
Hi mate would it be worth sealing the stone lightly first
Yes no harm with sealing the stone before grouting or after work is finished 👍👊🧱
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping cheers for getting back to me just thinking of potential staining problems as my joints are quite big so it may take a while to go off
@@swordtailking9395
If your using flowpoint and you install it correctly you will not get any staining .Good luck with it .
Justin 👍
Thanks for the video, very informative. Can you answer a couple of question please.
I have a large concrete base that used to have a summer house on , it is in good condition and about 4.5m x 5.5m in size. Is it okay to lay slabs on top of the base and what mix would be best? Also can you roller on a water sealer after to give it a wet look/sheen, if so what would you recommend ?. thanks
Hi beamer
If no cracks a visible and you can create the right falls for drainage the base is perfect for laying slabs on.
Sbr the base first you can buy at the merchants follow the instructions it seals and helps with bending.
I use 4 parts sharp sand 1 part cement with a plastizer for workability.
Hope that helps .
Good luck
Justin 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping thanks for reply
can you let me know roughly how much sharp sand i would need to cover a 16m2 area, laying on top of the concrete base. thanks
@@therealbeamer9189
Based on a 30mm bed you would need approx 1 tone
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping Thanks again for your help&advice.
When doing this one bag at a time, can you see where you stopped and started again? Or does it blend together. Also is there a minimum depth of application?
Thanks
Hi Jo
Minimum depth is 20 mm if i remember rightly mate.
Never seen where one bag has stopped and another started no issue there but each time you mix it the correct water has to be used . Try the link for technical data
Justin 👍
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Is it your own mix the slurry??, another top job, what's the fall 1in80??
Hi Paul
No its a product called Flowpoint look it up it you mix it straight out of a bag .
Falls were about 15mm per meter
Justin
I'm a landscaper down in Sussex, I still lay loads of Sandstone as I mostly take on slightly smaller projects. I also still point the traditional way, does flow point require a permeable base?
Hi Andrew
The flowpoint is cement based is my understand is yes the base would need to be permeable.
Thanks for the comments 👍💯
surely no cement base pointing is permeable only resin coated sand types are ? if you lay on a solid bed how can that be permeable ??@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping
Good video mate I’ve never used that flow point before do you recommend flow point 👍🏻
Ok mate what is your name ?
Yes its the best stuff ive used beats any of the brush in products.👍
My name is Pete.
I don’t do much paving these days I use to do it a lot. I think I’ll give it a go next time I’m paving 😁👍🏻
Hi Pete.
Yes it breaks things up from bricklaying all the time mate.
Good luck
Justin 👍
Hi,
Another really good video.
Can you expand on your workaround with the low DPC and the channel drains?
Thanks.
Keep up the great work.
Basically the channel drainage to its bottom of the channel is approx 150mm lower the dpc.By using the channel you your are keeping any water lower than the raised height of the paving.
Don't forget the fall here is running away from the house so not into the drainage but any water blown back to the house will go in the channel so its protecting the dpc .Hope that helps JC.
Justin 👍
Good idea, well explained. Thanks
Cracking work as always Justin and boys. With the random patterns used...do cross joints have to be avoided where possible? Our neighbour has had sandstone patio and we've counted 47 Cross Joints in less than 45m2 of patio. It looks strange on the eyes. Seems like the pattern is wrong. Always wondered about cross joints.
Hi Daniel
Hope your well.Cross joints are just nasty on the eye so with planning and correct laying they should be avoided. In my opinion it looks awful and its lazy laying and planning. I think the patio without any cross joints looks better looks right and more professional but thats just my own opinion. Brandstone who supplied our paving gave us a laying pattern with a cross joint in the middle of the patio i threw it in the bin to me it would of looked awful. All opinions and each to there own Daniel
Justin 👍🏴
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping you're bang on the money. Doesn't look good on the eye. Keep up the great work, you boys are a joy to watch 😀👍🏼
@@danprice1016
Thanks Daniel take it easy mate👍🙂
I asked the builders merchant for the the laying plan, I’ll have to check who the supplier was? It has straight joint at about 3m intervals and they span 1.850m approx, these short of joints don’t look to bad so far, I wouldn’t want them to be any longer but am concerned if I don’t follow the plan I’ll end up running out of the right size slabs. My project packs don’t have “thing” slabs, just 1/4, halves, squares and large rectangles. Four types
Hi pal canny beat natural stone son . How much does flowpoint cost mate itching to try it , how many square mtrs does a bag cover. Where do you get ur knee pads mine are shite got a pair with one velcro strap on each ,kneel down and its off . Got these solid rubber ones with adjustable straps, ripped the rubber apart after 4 days . looking good mate looking smart with the barnet cut . awra best
Alright Allan
🤣🤣 had to get it cut i couldn't see through it mate 🤣🤣 flowpoint is a out £20 a bag and i did about 20m2 with 3 and a half bags but i recess my joint a bit.
The knee pads a brilliant mate internet buy ill have to try and look back where i got em from my other knee pads a nailers they are good to.
Thanks for the comments mate always appreciate it 🤣🤣👍💯🏴
I just use a leaf blower to remove all that excess sand from the surface. Way easier and faster, no sludgy mess. Then you can just use light mist setting on the cracks, no disturbance to the smoothness of the lines
Hi Joseph
A leaf blower on the flow point you mean is it ?
Justin 👍
I cant see a pattern is there supposed to be one thanks
Its there the pattern is direct from marshalls 👍
Which bonding slurry do you use boss ??
That was pave tuff from travis perkins
What is the name of the slurry that u paint on under the Indian paving
Pave tuff paving slurry from travis perkins Rob 👍
Looking good. But surely, if you have a big rectangle and a small rectangle then ‘That’ must be a medium rectangle. 😃
Thanks Ray and yea medium 🤣🤣💯👍
Random straight lines everywhere
We follow a laying pattern direct from marshalls which works well in my opinion.
Your entitled to yours 👍👊
Did laid it strait on type 1 stone ta
Yes brian 👍
Thank you
shame u guys in wales im london, id of had you comme and do mine ...top job chaps ive lernt loads
Shame that never mind .move to cardiff ill squeeze u in 🤣🤣👍👊
Nice job again boys! Driscollbrickwork merthyr👌
Thanks kevin appreciate it as always mate 👍💯🧱
What mixture is the slurry please
You by it ready mixed many different brands available you just add water and mix its all on the tub the water ratio .
Hope that helps
Justin 👍
Hi. Great video. I'm laying indian 6m x 5m riven sandstone in a few weeks. Just doing the groundwork at the moment. I m a diy'er and wondering what fall did you put on the slabs. I was planning on doing a 1 in 60 fall but it looks too steep so thinking now of 1 in 80 so 75mm over the 6m. What would you recommend would 1 in 80 be enough?
Hi they do recommend 1:60 for a fall .A lot of professional pavers use 10/15mm evey 1m long .we tend to use the spirit level and get the bubble on the line .Hope that helps and good luck 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping hi guys, so yous put block work all the way round so you could level it off easier is that right? It's a good idea never thought of that, cracking job as well lads 👍
@@peterash9524
Hi peter
Yes your right there but also to keek the patio independent from the fence so any replacement or maintenance had no impact on the patio or vice versa.
Appreciate the comments mate 👍
I’m laying golden fossil 45m2 at moment in stages when I have time, quite a few slabs are quite rough so I’m using a 10mm per meter fall , hopefully this will avoid any rain water build up, it’s a diy job so I’m here looking for tips on the pointing, I’ve made sure to rake out the pug where the slabs meet to allow for a thick joint going below the slabs, it would cost a lot to use the flow joint on mine because of the voids so am thinking of using 3building, 1sharp, 1cement, wet mix and sponge off the slabs as I go, what do you reckon?
@@xxwalhalaxxmozza7415
Id flow point all day over sand and cement but if your using sand cement.
3 and 1 mix so you could do this 1 sharp 2 building sand 1 cement.
Id recommend a semi dry mix less water stronger mix .Dont stain the slabs then either.
Good luck
Justin 👍
Brad didn't even know he was there!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂👍
You sound like a Hollywood producer directing Brad where to go when he was jet washing it down 🤣
😀😀😀 i wouldn't get a job any tv Show would i 😀😀
Do you always have to seal sandstone?
No Marshalls recommend not sealing it .We just dont do it Mark
Spotted a sneaky 4 way that you tried to disguise 🧐😎🤓
What is a 4 way ?
A straight joint or crossing you mean if so none on that patio i can assure you🙂👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping
I shall retract my last statement 🤭
I thought it looked like you crept the bond over 100ml or so,,, but it’s not,, it’s when bond get close,, ei,, when them shitty fifth sized slab gets used,, “that” 😂 I call them “funky monkey” to my labourer 😂. On the vid when you first damp the area,, it’s just to the right of the darker looking slabs.
My bad!!
Pay NO attention to me people’s 🙄
@@chriswhite4223
All is forgiven Chris 😀👍💯 no crossing in my patio mate 🤣🤣🤣👍 have a good weekend
Justin 👍
And yes meant a cross joint. And yes,, they can destroy the look of a nice patio. Personally,, I now save our “funky monkeys” for cuts only,, found a brilliant laying pattern for a four size,, which is easy to “break and extend” if you know what I mean,, when patio is say 8 by 3 but laying pattern is only 4 by 3.
Sorry again for jumping on the negative wagon 🙄
Yeh Indian sandstones not gunna be around much longer just getting it in the country is become silly money with the container costs and let’s face it it’s just never gunna beat porcelain now ( well apart from if a client what’s a more rustic look that’s just porous goes green easily and traditional pointing always comes out ha ! ) I take up more sandstone patios than I lay now by far 😂 I remember laying it 20 years ago ha it was shocking the difference in depths
Hi Giles
Yes i remember it being all different thickness 20 years ago mate a challenge to lay it the labourer would shout out to me thick one or really thin so i could bed up right.
I still love Indian sandstone but as you rightly say porcelain is now better due to its lower maintenance but its not a natural product thats where sandstone will always win for me but porcelain is the winner now by far .
Thanks giles take care mate 👍
3 quarter rectangle
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Nice patio, my anxiety went through the roof when you poured that slurry over the sandstone 😂
So did mine always does its not for the faint hearted
Many thanks
Justin 👍
Can't be having no hot cross buns can we lads hahaha
🤣🤣definitely not saul 🤣👍
Do you ever use a pointing gun
Hi John
Used one years ago on brickwork but not on patios .Do you use one 👍
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping used one for first time on Indian sandstone the other day and once you get the mix right I thought it worked really well , hard on the back though and I would suggest two guns with one person filling them and will need to trowel up later when mix has started to set
Call those 'that's' an 18 as they are a bit less than a 2 foot.
Good idea mate but we been doing so long that its stuck now 🤣🤣👍
Oi oi 👍!
Hya charles
Thanks mate 👍
What’s wit the long straight joints 😂
Thats the pattern marshalls supplied with the paving 👍
Don't know why your getting smart arsed comments from some subscribers, yourself, johnboy ,matty n scott tidybricks lay slabs/porcelain with ripples in the mortar along with bevelling the mortar away frow the slab edge ,they must be doing it wrong aswell 🙈👍
Each to there own Allan wise guys mate with nothing better to do than pick holes 🤣🤣
Did you leave half those joints at 2mm by accident or are you just taking the piss? Asking for a mate.
Joints are all 10-15mm
Shouldn't furrow your bed keep that for brickwork, you get a better bond without the furrowing also its not mixed well enough there's two many straight lines going through the job should mix it up more it's not random enough also as it's porous you can actually seal it before you grout it 👍
You have a point about pre sealing yes the rest theres nothing wrong with it .As long as its sealed after its fine some clients may not be able to afford pre sealing but its a valid point point the rest your just picking holes and you no it
No honestly not picking holes I used to furrow bed myself but it's actually better not to furrow bed I only make a little recess in mortar bed around edges of slabs I am laying against but furrowing is not needed it actually can leave voids under paving and there are a few long straight lines in job that I personally think are to long and should be broken earlier to made job more random 👍
@@scoyle1750 i do get what you are saying about the beds and voids .Ive tied it your way but i find it better to add more bed furrow and hit it hard down .As for the long lines its fine we use a marshalls laying pattern. Your entitled to your opinions i respect that 👍💯
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping your definitely not using a laying pattern as lines to long and if you are stick it on TH-cam next to your paving but definitely better not furrowing it's all about getting your bed right so you can use mallet to bed slab into mortar without having to over hammer, also good paver never looks at a laying pattern 👍
@@scoyle1750 🤣🤣🤣 wow
Nice video great job fellas thanks, leave Brad alone he’s a champion by the way BBC sucks ⚽️ 🏀
Thanks very much and yea Brad is a champion 🤣🤣👍👊
we call them hot cross buns :)
🤣🤣 brilliant
Sounds like he's muttering, can't hear a damn word he's saying. AND he's doing it wrong. You're supposed to make a dry-pack, his mortar is for brick not stone.
Sorry for the sound my apologies we try out best.As for doing it wrong and dry pack what ever that is .screed mix you mean is it.You can actually lay on a screed mix yes or a wet mix either is right so to say im doing it wrong i disagree but i respect your opinion thats fine.
Thanks for the comment
Justin 👍💯
@@brickrightbuildinglandscaping Take it from somebody who has been doing this work since 1985 and every different way there is (including your way), I'm telling you, while your patio will look fine for a long time, those stones will gradually separate from that mortar bed and will sound hollow underneath, cracks will appear in the mortar joints. The way I do it now, I learned from a Portuguese stone mason and is by far the best way.
@@bonanzatime
1989 i started.
They way i am doing it with the bonding slurry and sharp sand mix is 💯 Good practice practice nothing wrong with it but if you dont agree that is fine no issue with me .i also have no issue with your laying process ive done it each to there own i guess .
Just different opinions thats all .
Good luck .
Justin 👍💯
It’s not a full bed , there will be air under the flag 🥴
We send the trowel through the mortar just to make it easier to hit down into place if thats what you mean
The muck is too wet for a start, amateur from start to finish
Thanks very much 🤣👍
If you know how to lay flags why you watching this video?? 😂. Also where’s your video then on how to lay flags??