and i bet Bruce Lee would defeat u in less than 30 seconds. The Myth of Bruce Lee..haha. BLABLABLA...the thing is that everything tarentino said is wrong and the guy he mentioned that bruce lee was not very nice to american stuntguys said the total oposite but it was no problem for Tarentino to tell another lie about Bruce Lee. lie after lie after lie..U never met him but u think u are allowed to ruin his myth cause why? u cannot prove anything and all u do is speculate on a guy whos dead 4 50 years and cant defend himself. . so u said he fought only garbage guys in his backyards.. so he trained the tournament karate world champions in his backyard and u really think they wouldnt recognize it when bruce lee was just an actor or a jerk?haha common u can do it better than this right? tell more lies the world dont need.. who is next on your list? kobe bryant? wasnt he even a basketballplayer? maybe he wasnt able to dribble the basketball right? he was just a garbage nba player right? cause he played with garbarge basketballplayers in his backyard? right? haha u are the jerk not bruce lee. hes the legend and u are nothing
Bruce Lee was stealing from not only the Hollywood industry but also from other Martial artists. The guy was caught dead cheating with his wife. Chuck Norris son said that if his dad was not such a nice guy he would have kicked Bruce Lee's ass. The stunt men hated Bruce Lee because they knew that he took advantage of them and they knew they could whoop his lil ass.
@@MacBaza Hollywood is. Dark Luciferian industry.... Hollywood meaning.... Witches wand made from Holly tree. Casting spells brainwashing the masses.... Since being awake from this matrix reality.... I dont watch movies, sports, t.v in general....
The incident you're referring to where Bruce Lee refused to do the scene was from Green Hornet where Kato was scripted to lose to Robin. That was afaik the only time and it's not only that Bruce refused to do it, he didn't think anyone would believe that could happen, and I have to agree.
@@jasonmaguire7552 Of course no one is unbeatable, these idiots who blow Bruce Lee up to be this invincible being are just as dumb as those who thinks he's nothing but an actor. His legacy was real and he did inspire many and his philosophy lives on.
@@jasonmaguire7552 World champions came him to him for a reason dummy. If he couldn't fight he would never be remembered for nearly 50 years. I'm unsubbing from chael. He did no research on Bruce and also seems to have jealousy on how famous lee was. I guarantee Chael wouldn't be talking that mess if Lee was alive. Heres some real people on Lee btw: How great lees relationship was with Master Ip man and on any doubt he didnt secretly train lee one on one secretly as well. th-cam.com/video/mpTwK2ASS6s/w-d-xo.html Lee's kick speed and accuracy th-cam.com/video/RXKW_9gYUAE/w-d-xo.html Triad boss on Bruce lee th-cam.com/video/O8eg0McgbJc/w-d-xo.html Vic Moore speed and skill debunked right here vs Joe lewis th-cam.com/video/-9x4SCdiKlw/w-d-xo.html jim kelly middle weight world champion on how great Bruce lee was: th-cam.com/video/ncMIQS0ZLSY/w-d-xo.html Joe Lewis world HW full contact champ using Jkd taught to him by Bruce Lee. The dragon was the best and no joke. th-cam.com/video/_I_SR7n1VHU/w-d-xo.html Any doubts that a healthy lee was often up to 155-170 lbs of muscle check this out. th-cam.com/video/SXYbYnuCzww/w-d-xo.html Jame Demille on Lee's skill as a fighter period! James is also a undefeated Hw Boxer In the Air Force th-cam.com/video/_Yf-Cpvvucs/w-d-xo.html When an NFL guy wanted to test lee: th-cam.com/video/Q4TPpWeUHuk/w-d-xo.html Labelle Exposed: th-cam.com/video/43itoaFiWzY/w-d-xo.html Grandmaster Richard Bustillo On Bruce Lee:
I can’t relate to taking an evil pleasure in “supposedly” telling a negative story about a man “I do not know.” “Never met” and “is now deceased” just because a couple guys told me he wasn’t nice to them.
Bruce Lee had a rep of being an asshole and there are no real records of him having any real fights. It was a built myth to make him more marketable in the U.S.
All who met Bruce Lee say how good fighter and person he was. Leo Fong Dan Inosanto Joe Lewis Jim Kelly Sugar Ray Leonard Richard Bustillo James DeMile "Brother Teacher" - Reginald Stroud Yang Sze, better known as Bolo Yeung Jackie Chan Chuck Sullivan Bob Baker James Coburn Chuck Norris Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Van Williams But let's listen to those who never met him. Because that makes sense. Many of their interviews are on youtube. Search them.
The MMA crowd seem to get butthurt by Bruce Lee... it's like their ego's can't cope. So they do the whole 'he wasn't a street fighter' thing. Except most of them weren't too, and so fucking what anyway?
If Bruce Lee wanted to be a fighter, he would have done so. No his passion was martial arts, he studied philosophy in college, and his calling was acting. In all of that, he is a tremendous success considering the era in which he lived, the discrimination he faced, and he accomplished so much at 32. He changed action movies forever. He created a martial art and composed his martial arts philosophy. He represented the East to the West and vice versa. He inspired millions of people then and for generations.
Okay we're talking about two different ways of showing a fight scene. Jackie Chan hates working with Western stunt people. He usually works with his own crew. Bruce wanted to work in a way that he knew, a more realistic way. And the Western stunt people couldn't or wouldn't adapt. I wasn't there but my thought is Tarantino talked to a bunch of people that didn't like Bruce Lee, and I don't think Tarantino likes Bruce Lee. So I doubt he tried to get both sides of the story, because it fit his narrative/his bias. As he said he'd been waiting for years for an opportunity to do this. Obviously he hated Bruce Lee.
@yokai I think it's probably the work culture between HK stuntmen and US stuntmen. Because HK Kung Fu movies was big during that time, so being able to take hits is probably on the job requirement in HK. I mean look at Jackie Chan, if the boss man JC is breaking his bones for a scene, you probably be willing to put in the same effort when you do a backward somersault into a fake glass table.
Tarantino jacks all of Bruce Lee's style for Kill Bill then makes a mockery of him in "Hollywood". Tells all you need to know about that little "Randal" from Recess looking man.
Bruce was a foreign actor working in the USA, it's on him to adapt to the culture of the film industry, not smack around other workers. You can't say a single slightly negative thing about him, like he's a mythical god beyond criticism and not a human; just as fallible as anyone else.
@@zCopyCatz It's also because HK budgets are smaller, so they had to shoot within their own constraints. IIRC even the way they shoot cuts from one punch to the next is shot in sequence, on the same reel, to cut down on costs. And for bigger set pieces they often have multiple cameras to cover one action sequence, so making full contact was expected. Some of their VFX are even built upon it -- the trick of adding baby powder to a stuntman's clothes so that it would give off a big puff when it got punched? Only possible with the HK style. It's an effect so cheap and efficient, modern Hollywood stuntpeople use it as well.
If Bruce Lee was alive today he'd praise the biggest arms in West Linn, Oregon as the arms of a true martial artist. Undisputed and undefeated, even Bruce, hell even Chuck Norris was defeated once or twice in his life but not Uncle Chael.
Chuck lost a sparring match against Bruce. Its Fact. Lol! Look what he said in a Interview from 1993. Chuck was a champion in point Karate. Bruce for a none pro fighter beat up many black belts. Thats why some pf them were his Students. Look what Joe Lewis said after he study under Bruce. Bruce made them even better.
This is the THIRD video that Chael has made where he says Bruce Lee can't fight. It's funny that Chael got the name of "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" wrong because he actually made a video where he reviewed that movie.
Chael's bigger and taller than Bruce and is SUPPOSEDLY a good wrestler. But if we transported a 20-something Chael back in time time to the late 1960s to early 70s, he'd look awful next to Lee. I think Lee beat the crap out of him. No one understood anything, when Lee demonstrated how you choke a giant opponent, as he did against his friend and student, Kareem Abdul Jabar in the GAME OF DEATH in the early 1970s. Lee is respected and honored FOR a reason; and it's not all "Hollywood." He really is a direct forerunner to the sport of MMA. And he did have multiple skills, in a time when no one else --- not even black belt masters of his days --- knew anything about an integrated, interdisciplinary approach to fighting. Lee was the only person who looked shredded exactly like your typical Top 5 guys today at the UFC. And this was late 1960s to early 70s. Of course, Lee's elite skills back in the 1960s and early 70s are NOT equal to the skills of elite MMA fighters in 2021. But I bet Messi would EASILY run in cicles around Maradona and Pele, too, in soccer... Anyway, I just watched how a lanky, non-wrestler-specialist Damean Maia wrapping his arms around a young Chael, hoisting him onto the air, and slamming him onto the mat & I thought: wait, isn't Chael supposed to be the wrestler, with Maia merely being a BJJ (not good until AFTER they're on the mat?)
@@kiabtoomlauj6249 the comment I was looking for. No one gives Bruce credit for what he knew back in the 60s and 70s. Photos of him doing arm bars, RNC, and single/double leg take downs. It's so convenient to compare him to fighters of 2021
@@kiabtoomlauj6249 tbh from everything I’d heard and learnt and studied about Bruce. Bruce’s abilities exceed anything in modern MMA, especially his striking. The fact is he could do things most people can’t, even Dan Inosanto has gone on record saying this on film. I don’t think modern MMA guys are doing anything like what Bruce was doing since they are doing totally different things with different mentalities and outlooks towards unarmed combat. One is about self defence in a life threatening situation, the other is sport fighting under rules and regulations, Bruce Lee was utterly obsessed and trained non stop 24/7. He didn’t take time off. No MMA person of today is doing that. I don’t see how people can even compare modern MMA people to him. The things he was doing people don’t do or can’t do, and these absurd comments like how a modern MMA female fighter could beat him are utterly absurd. I honestly think a LOT of people are misinformed and don’t really know anything about what Bruce was training or what he was really about. Primary targets of jun fan jkd are eyes, throat and groin and Bruce trained this way obsessively. Modern MMA and what he was doing just aren’t the same thing.
The story isn't true or even based on a true story. Tarantino just speaks like it is. There is some minor influence of Gene LaBelle and Bruce (Gene getting the better of him joking around). Also I'm not Bruce Lee fanboy and realistically he was only 135 pounds but given all the stories from the people he spared with including Gean LaBelle I definitely wouldn't say he couldn't fight at all
Gene and Bruce were good friends. Gene got Bruce in a head lock on the set of Green Hornet, and picked him up. Bruce wasn't fully developed at that time, and started learning Grappling with Gene. They didn't fight each other, it was just a "guy" thing.
@@videomaster8580 you're forgetting the most important part...where gene was able to use a hold on him and Bruce could only escape after begging gene to let him out Bruce Lee was just another martial artist that knew a few things, he never fought anyone professionally because he could have been exposed. The guy is all myth and legend, nothing of substance to back him up. Tony Danza would beat the shit out of Bruce Lee.
That’s not actually true now. Most, as far as I’ve heard, have said that Bruce was more like 155 or 165 and not 135. Either way, he had always looked like he had too much muscle for a 5’8 Chinese guy.
@@fistoftulkas7335 He didn’t spar, but he got into plenty of street fights when he was younger. So he had that experience. That’s why his parents had him put into martial arts.
If Bruce lee was alive today he would be learning the same things as modern MMA athletes. He was doing the best he could with what he knew back then, it’s not fair to compare him with what we know now.
But he did not even fight in his own era and had plenty of opportunity and did not do so. Bruce did do boxing in his younger years and that was the closest thing he got to fighting.
I don't think so. Lee was more interested in real fighting and not sport fighting. He sparred and cross trained enough to understand why sport fighting builds the fundamentals needed for real fighting, but the habits you use are different. It is like comparing a 100 meter sprint with a marathon. If you train for 10 or 20 second altercation, you can get really good at stuff that would get you countered to death in an MMA fight. Martial arts have not evolved, sport fighting has.
Bruce Lee definitely believed in mixing martial arts and that you should use what works best for you. MMA is something Lee was kind of aiming for. Although ultimately MMA is a sport with necessary limitations.
@@bighands69 get so sick of hearing this. Do you understand that back then tournaments werent like UFC? there was no 5 rounds. It was seen as ego fueled and ridiculous to bruce. He fought a real fucking chinese master gangster who challenged him on the street for teaching whites their sacred martial arts. And he WON.
“I wasn’t there, so I don’t know for sure” proceeds with “Bruce lee couldn’t fight for lick” . Very strong opinion based on a movie made by Quentin Tarantino based on what he heard from stuntmen from Hollywood who weren’t very fond of Bruce lee. But You’re not a hater tho 🤷♂️ … The fact that Tarantino felt the “deep need” to make Bruce lee into a comic because he heard hear stories from salty stuntmen about what happened behind the scenes sounds pathetic. It was probably true that American stunt men were inferior to Asian stunt men at the time. Hong Kong action movies just had better stuntmen at the time, they did crazier shit for real with disregard to safety (Jackie chan stunt reels after his movies which pointing to the shit they were up to)… It’s the fact that Tarantino really had this urge for years to portray Bruce lee in this light that comes off as if his intentions had bad faith. And people see that and clown him for it. Bruce lee still is an icon to millions of people all over the world. He’s was ahead of his time, pioneered martial arts into a precursor of what is modern day MMA.
He also says Van Damme was a fake...Van Damme who has a 18-1 professional kickboxing record with all 18 wins being knockouts. I guess by those metrics, Chael Sonnen is also a fake.
@@philo2189 No, that isn't true, and I don't know why you would claim such when it is easily disproven. There is no video footage of him fighting, but even if you dismiss the fact that he was part of a street gang in Hong Kong, it is pretty well documented that he had a fight with someone the Chinese martial artists sent over to challenge him to keep him from opening a martial arts school in the US. There are also multiple eye witness accounts to the time he actually did get into a fight with a stuntman, who challenged him btw, and which he ended quickly by tossing the stuntman into a wall. That said the guy was 5'8", most serious fighters would kick his ass, but at the time I doubt anyone in his weight class could have taken him in a fight. I think it was Chuck Norris that said Bruce Lee was pound for pound the strongest man he knew. Bruce Lee was able to hold more than half his own body weight in one hand with his arm fully extended out in front of him. You can see how how ridiculously fit he was if you do a google image search for "Bruce Lee flexing". He was also incredibly fast. He himself admits he knew faster guys, but you can see in some of his films how he can feint, and then strike with the same hand, before the stuntman can react to the feint. Combine that with street fighting experience, traditional martial arts training, an obsession with Muhammad Ali's footwork, training with Gene LeBell, Chuck Norris, and others, and you can see why he was widely regarded as very capable fighter, even though he didn't fight. The thing that people miss regularly when claiming Bruce Lee wasn't a fighter, is that there no forum for him to fight in. He was essentially a mixed martial artist, decades before there was an MMA organization. He wasn't a boxer, or even a karate or judo expert. He incorporated those skills into his own style, or lack of style to be more precise, but they didn't match the way he fought. In the classics martial arts world he would be considered a grandmaster, able to draw from a diverse mix of fighting styles and create his own unique style from them. However, that sort of classic view of martial arts was on its way out, and he was seen as more of an upstart than anything else. The reality is Bruce Lee probably wouldn't win against a modern MMA fighter, even in his own weight class, because that modern MMA fighter would have the benefits of having an MMA program they could follow from birth. Bruce Lee is highly regarded by most in the MMA world, because he was essentially the catalyst for the creation of what is now MMA. He broke the traditional rules of each martial art having it's own unique style, and said "no, lets use whatever works best, for whatever position or situation we are in". It was his attitude that influenced other martial artists of the time, and from that was born modern MMA. Only people like Chael, who are either ignorant, and/or have an inflated ego disregard Bruce Lee as a fighter and his role in influencing the martial arts world. I mean, as I said in my previous comment, Cheal called Van Damme a Hollywood fake, and Van Damn has a better professional fighting record than Chael does.
@@EcnalKcin Bro I'm not reading all that 😂 but there's literally no record of him ever having fights with other martial artist stop the cap. The man had great knowledge of martial arts but he did not fight he was an actor my dude.
From the book cited by Tarantino, regarding Bruce Lee, stuntmen and the "incident" with Gene LeBell: 'He had never done elaborate fight choreography on film-his childhood Hong Kong movies were melodramas, not action flicks. Onstage, Bruce dealt with three-dimensional space and an audience viewing from every angle. To sell a punch or kick, he had to land within millimeters of the target, what he called “non-contact gung fu.” But The Green Hornet stuntmen were all veterans of Westerns. “It was a two-dimensional thing where you had the camera over your shoulder,” says Van Williams. “You could stand three feet away from your opponent and swing, and if the guy reacted correctly and the sound effects were right, it looked perfect. Bruce could never get used to working that far apart.” Bruce insisted on close quarters combat. The stuntmen hated it. They weren’t fast enough to react to him, and as a result, occasionally got banged up. “They got to the point where they didn’t want to work on that show,” Williams recalls. “They were tired of getting hurt.” “Judo” Gene LeBell, a legendary pro wrestler, world-class judoka, and the stunt coordinator on-set, was assigned the task of calming Bruce down. “Bruce would hit you in ten different spots and as a stuntman you wouldn’t know whether to grab your jaw and say that hurt or your stomach,” says LeBell. “We did our best to slow Bruce Lee down because the Western way was the old John Wayne way where you reach from left field, tell a story, and then you hit the man. Bruce liked to throw thirty-seven kicks and twelve punches.” When reasoning didn’t work, LeBell took to joshing Bruce. “In pro wrestling, they call it ‘the swerve.’ It’s how far you can tease and get away with it,” LeBell explains. “I’d tell him he put too much starch in my shirt.” One day as part of the general joking and roughhousing atmosphere on set, the stuntmen egged LeBell into picking “the little guy up.” LeBell yanked Bruce onto his shoulder in a Crouching Nelson hold-upside down with one hand around the back. Then he slowly walked him around the set. “Put me down!” Bruce yelled. “I’m going to kill you!” “I’m not going to let you down.” “Why?” “Because you are going to kill me.” Despite the difference in temperament, the two men became friends. “I reckon I teased him so much I eventually got him to loosen up a little,” LeBell says. To Bruce’s credit, he was so obsessed with perfecting his martial arts he put up with the hazing to learn from LeBell. Bruce offered to exchange lessons: kung fu for judo and wrestling. “I showed him some legitimate finishing holds, leg locks, arm locks,” LeBell recalls. “He told me he used one of my holds on Chuck Norris in Way of the Dragon.”' Matthew Polly, Bruce Lee: A Life (page 186-7, Kindle Edition)
Or is it possible Bruce lee had a ego? Old stunt men use to literally get shot at with real guns in old Hollywood movies I think they could take a punch plus people act like they are dumb brutes who can’t learn new styles of choreography. Bruce lee had like a cult following like he was a religious leader. He was 128 pound man who had ZERO PROFESSIONAL FIGHTS In any martial arts but people say oh he did this and this give me a break.
Gene lebell was the guy and he never said he fought him. He said he went up to him and picked him up on his shoulders. Bruce said put me down I'll kill you and Gene lebell said no cause you'll kill me. Then they became friends and trained together.
You couldnt fake what Bruce Lee did on film. How do we know? Almost 50 yrs later and with all the special effects we have we still haven't produced anything as remotely exciting and beautiful as a Bruce Lee fight scene.
Bruce Lee was a child actor who progressed into adult films. He was really a dancer and gymnast. He had a very stylistic way of performing in martial arts films that appeals to an audience who likes fantasy rather than reality. Bolo Yeung was only 5'6" tall and he looked like a monster compared to Bruce Lee in enter the dragon. Even Demetrious Johnson would be too much for those guys.
The issue is Bruce dedicated his life to changing the portrayal of how Asians were on screen. Bruce was cool and a hero, and Tarantino made him comical, while indirectly inferring Bruce can’t fight which is not true. Martial Art champions like Joe Lewis will tell you so.
You NEED to read about the life of Bruce Lee. Lol. I mean, to say he "couldn't fight a lick" sounds like a teen who just got into martial arts and is trying to sound smart. The guy was kinetically gifted and extremely driven. He trained obsessively and in an intelligent way. Even you couldn't deny that. He also sparred with a lot people of differing sizes and styles. VERY well documented, BTW. SO many people from the martial arts world pay his skills huge compliment. Yeah, skills, not just philosophy or personality. He obviously knew what he was doing. To say otherwise is immoral when you are trying to influence a lot of people. Do better.
He had NO professional wins just because you spare with people doesn’t mean you are a world champion. People worship him like he was a great warrior the guy Brad Pitt played in the movie actually went to war he actually killed people that’s the Ultimate form of warfare. He was a killer he even killed his wife. Bruce lee was a 128 pound man give me a break
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT HE WASN'T A PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER. BUT THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A LOT SKILL WITHOUT BEING IN THE UFC OR SOMETHING IS DUMB AS ROCKS. IF YOU ARE TALENTED AND YOU TRAIN IN THE RIGHT WAY LIKE A MANIAC, YOU ARE GOING TO BE VERY SKILLED. Maybe putting it in all caps will get through to some of you at last.
@@chucknoris7648 What did your boy Chuck Norris win? He was a point fighter. Let's play tag. I did point karate, Lee wasn't even a karateka so where was he supposed to compete? Don't give me some obscure tournament in Peru or something. He was a married man supporting his family through acting.
I've never seen a clip of him fight. I've seen a clip of him hitting a heavy bag with a sidekick I hope that wasnt his best. I've seen better way better
@@EventualWarlord Lol, well you are right. He didnt none pro fight wins but he did have wins in the streets, such as Wong Jackman who was a black belt. What about when he was pick by the Chinese Community to low-key bodyguard for a Asian actress while she was on tour in U.S. cause the triads was trying to exort her. Are how about all the great martial artist of that time said that they got better as a fighter because of training with Bruce. I'm not saying that he couldn't be beat he was human. At the same I wouldn't bet against him either. No dickrider here sir, just the facts !
Ok first of all I loved the movie. Secondly qts mistake was having Bruce talk bad about boxers. He idolized boxers, studied them, and won a boxing tournament I china before coming back to America. As for if he could fight, he was small but the guy trained non stop. He also worked with the athletes who competed in the closest thing to mma at the time which was kickboxing. There are also several people who were martial artists at the time who say he used to go dojo to dojo studying and working out with athletes at various places. No one is saying he's ufc caliber but to say he couldn't fight just doesn't make any sense.
I could be wrong, but I read somewhere that he was asked about fighting Ali, and he pointed out the size difference. He didn't say he would beat him. In fact, the opposite. ‘Look at my hand,’ he said. ‘That’s a little Chinese hand. He’d kill me.'” At least, that's what was reported by director Robert Clouse. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that doesn't sound arrogant to me.
Yep he called Ali the Greatest Fighter, and studied his moves. Tarantino's scene lost credibilty there. Also, no way in f**k the car would've crumpled on impact like that, lol.
Like Joey Diaz said. Bruce Lee gave the common man hope. That's why his memory is thought back on so fondly by so many and also why his legacy has stood the test of time.
Maybe somebody that knew Bruce lee or worked with him back them after he became famous told Tarantino that lee was a great male but he was kind of cocky and arrogant with certain people, who can blame him anyways having to deal with different types of demons. You cant just be nice to everyone
Yeah, plus the time has to be taken into account. It was quite a bit tougher to be a minority in Hollywood. Confidence is easily confused with arrogance when prejudice enters the mix.
I've never actually heard Bruce Lee fans claim he was a world-class fighter, like his detractors say. People revere him for his contributions to martial arts popularity, movies, combat philosophy, training methods, and bridging cultural and racial gaps. We have evidence and stories indicating he was freakishly strong and fast (maybe all B.S., Idk), but he was a small man and we don't know how tough he was. The ego he projected probably helped popularize martial arts and martial arts movies tremendously, but people like to rag on him for it. Chael acted the same way to sell tickets during his UFC career. I'm a huge Tarantino fan, but hearing him discuss Bruce Lee was extremely irritating. He should have just said it's a fictional movie and it's his fictional depiction of Bruce... end of discussion. Instead, he had an oddly emotional response trying to explain why his scene is realistic, when he clearly has no idea about hand-to-hand combat. When Joe asked if he knows about martial arts, Quentin basically said yes because he's choreographed fight scenes.
@@beckwilson2661 I'm sure, and maybe people really believe it, but people also say all kinds of crazy shit on the internet just to say it. I've never heard anyone say this in real life, and I don't think it's why most people respect his legacy
@@beckwilson2661 lol. Well is a loaded hypothetical question. If BL fought in his weight bracket? Which I’m guessing is featherweight at 135lbs. Like money you have to account for inflation. MMA guys today are extremely strong, durable, studied, nutritioned and talented ie. volkanovski, holloway, ortega. So ya BL would have a tough match on his hands. Might even lose. But weighted against inflation? Probably not. Would it be the biggest ppv ever? Hell ya.
I get being frustrated that the other side of Bruce isn't told but Quintan made it sound so personal, I get it if you knew the guy personally but he didn't. Depending on who you ask I'm either really nice or an asshole so Bruce being human too sure he didn't get along with everyone.
Quentin seems to have a deep affinity and respect for Hollywood stuntmen. I feel like, he's baring their flag in the face of Bruce's reputation. No working stuntman would ever publicly bad mouth the talent but Quentin is in a position of power where he can.
@@zaynes5094 I don't think he needs to be for my point to be valid. The people who can "touch" him here don't affect his paycheck. That's what gives him a position of power.
Chael understood the philospohy completely wrong. Bruce was not about mixing everything. He actually believed less is more and you do not need techniques from everywhere , a kick is a kick and a punch is a punch no matter how you call it. Bruce preached simplicty an innovation, absorbing what offers the most utility in a fight situation.
Now saying Bruce Lee couldn't fight a lick, I don't think is really true. I mean you take one instance where other people vouch for the fact he lost a fight, but immediately disregard, and not mention the many other instances where other people say they have seen him fight, and fight very well, is kinda like cherry picking facts just to prove your point. But interaction is needed to feed the algorithm right? It got me... Now do I think Bruce lost? Oh yea, that's definitely a possiblity, and it probably happened, even happened on quite a few occasions. Do I think there's a mythos revolving around his legacy?? Sure that too. Believing he was damn near all but unbeatable is incredibly stupid. If that was the case, his philosophy on wing Chun wouldn't have changed. Same goes with the changes his philosophy on martial arts went thru... And he probably wouldn't have created Jeet Kune Do if that was the case. But at the same time there's just as high a possiblity he won just as many actual fights, and was the street fighter he was portrayed to be by many others. Let's not forget street fights are not competition fights in any aspect and people love to think they're similar. Today we are overall bigger, stronger, faster, and more trained than previous generations. Size and weight take a huge part in who can win a fight too...more so when fighters are trained and taking a guy with more size, with training, against a much smaller opponent is easy to guess who has the clear advantage in any case. But back then he was most likely one of the most skilled, if not the most skilled within his circle. I repeat, within his circle. The rule of "there's always someone bigger, faster, stronger, and/or better, even luckier, that will come along" still applied back then.
If you thought logically, the talent today (Bruce Lee in his prime or not) would get smacked around and chocked the **** out! Period. He made himself look like he was invisible.
To act like he didn’t have legitimate skill is ignorant but his fan base is a straightup cult following.. he never competed in any legit matches bc they didn’t rlly exist. All we can do is compare him to today’s people and he wouldn’t be shit in comparison. Kinda like how Pele was a god to soccer in the 60s but would be average today
This is BS. Just read his biography - the one Tarantino mentions, so in theory the one in which Lee is depicted badly like in the movie - and you'll read dozens of tetimonies from Karate masters, Tae Kwon Do masters, Aikido masters etc all saying how good he was.
Bruce was different and definitely on another level my peeps from his time all Martial artist that studied with Jim Kelly rip and said Jim Kelly told them bruce was wiping the floor with them fighters of that time in all out sparring and admitted bruce was even better then him. I rather listen to those that new him then this guy's that are disrespectful. Peace ✌
Bruce Lee never fought anyone with a crowd watching. There are boys I went to high school with who could have kicked the shit out of Bruce Lee. Being a 120lb adult male with zero ability to grapple doesn't mean anything to people bigger than him
@@newerest1 he trained real submission grappling, catch wrestling, jiujitsu and judo with legends like Gene Labell andPan Am gold medalist Hayward Nishiok. He literally used a guillotine choke to defeat Chuck Norris in the climax of their movie. He also used a crucifix armbar in one movie, tried an arm triangle choke on Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and had his opponent almost win via armbar against him in another movie. He also used a double leg takedown into guard followed by a groin strike to beat another dude. His writings had a ton of wrestling studies, and lots of leglocks before they even became popular in BJJ. He was the real deal when it comes to MMA skills and athletic fitness. Whether he could apply them effectively against a skilled fighter, or be able to overcome huge size disadvantages is one question, but he was at minimum very aware and skilled in grappling techniques, and super into physical fitness which wasn't a priority in outdated martial arts. Against someone his size in that era, I doubt many could beat him, if any.
The problem that I have is hear say is 'BS' and Bruce Lee isn't here to defend himself ... there was probably a lot of actors that were jerks back then ... but they're not getting trashed, why? Because they don't have a legendary status and Bruce Lee, against ALL odds, has legend status, so that makes him a target.
Bruce lee had NO professional fighting wins or title fights. He was literally 128 pounds. Half of the stuff he said was picked from philosophies like Taoism Buddhism Sikhism. Even the martial arts he created was a hodgepodge of multiple practices. If it was so good why didn’t he actually fight professionally? Chuck Norris was a world champion karate champion. Bruce lee was a actor entertainer and part con artist.
@@chucknoris7648 if world karate champion like jim kelly and one of the greatest fighters ever benny the jet were saying that bruce lee is the goat who the fuck are you to say he was just an actor to a guy who is the responsible of the existence of ufc and every fucking fighter who makes his living with martial art
@@raohxbroly8176 how is Bruce Lee responsible for the existence of UFC? fanboys need to chill Bruce was a great guy maybe the best martial artist in his era but he's not a god!
@@kwstasdip9742 bruce lee is the first one to throw away limits of one’s style and combine every single style back in his generation into one style. Some of the techniques he used to create Jeet kun Do weren’t even in any known fighting style. For example he used the swift foot work of cha cha and boxing, as well as the lunging of fencing. and if you look at the way a Bruce trained, he really did train like a MMA fighter and back then there was no MMA. He was the first one who had the idea to mix every martial art into one, discarding all the useless and only taking in the useful and create the ultimate fighting style that could adapt to any fighting style that's why he is the father of MMA
@@raohxbroly8176 although he is not! They were Vale Tudo tournaments in Brazil way before Bruce Lee! And there are forms of mixed styles even in ancient times! Take for example Pankration! Mma comes from Vale Tudo not Bruce Lee
To everyone that goes into a spin when Chael messes up a title or a name, he’s doing it on purpose. He wants those comments to flood and the clips to be shared. Man is a genius
It is actually quite difficult to do videos and be 100% focused at all times. He does that many videos that he is going to make mistakes or have a brain fart. Even professionals in media can have moments and that is from some of the best there is.
I didnt get the impression he lost the "fight". Just sounded like he got tricked and shouldn't have been so cocky in that situation. People gotta stop acting like Bruce Lee was above acting ridiculous like any other human.
@@Ryoufriggingserious Exactly... just because someone plays pretend for a living doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean they are somehow above being a fucking prick. I love Bruce Lee movies and a ton of his philosophy but I'm not gonna act as though he was beyond mistakes. You don't get to the philosophies he had without making and learning from a lot of mistakes
"Not fight a lick"? It is documented via photos and film, that Lee won a high school boxing tournament ( Hong Kong) and a sparring match (on film). He won both, albeit not effortlessly. His school disciplinary records show that he was in numerous street fights. I'm sure he had a degree of fighting competence.
High school boxing tournaments in Hong Kong of all places? 😂😂 There are guys who've won international boxing tournaments yet couldn't cut it in the pros and u want to bring up high school? 😂
@@holetohell4140 How do you know that? Would that same MMA fighter beat up joe lewis or Chuck Norris from 1960s-70s. Its funny ppl shit on a man of his era based upon todays standards but don't shit on others who studied traditional martial arts like shirin-ryu, tang soo do from the same era who are considered fighters and who have said Bruce could fight. Bruce did exactly what they did, he studied different ranges/styes of fighting including boxing and ground fighting.
@@qosmo8 Joe Lewis actually stepped in a ring and fucked up other professional fighters and boxing has been shown to be effective in mma while Bruce Lee is a movie star that never competed in combat sports
@@holetohell4140 And Lewis has said Bruce could fight, and incorporated his principles in his own system, why? Why would he do this if the principles was from a guy who couldnt fight? And by your logic most MMA bjj instructors can't fight because most of them have never stepped into the ring. You ever hear of the Rucker its a basketball tournament and average ppl routinely beat ppl who are in the nba. Just because I dont dedicate my life to the sport of mma doesnt mean I cant play the game......the game of death...lmao you had to have seen that coming lmao.....I guess we just gotta agree to disagree
It's not much of a story. Kelly never named anyone. He knew Bruce approx 2 months while they filmed Enter the dragon. The vast majority of that short time they were in Hong Kong. The only well known martial artist that was there was Bob Wall
completely agree. It a big disrespect to think that a martial artist 30 years ago would be able to compete with a martial elite athlete today. Sport evolve and improve. It doesnt de evolve
Imagine if Bruce didn't exist and no one filled the void. MMA wouldn't come about until 15 years later and Chael would not be sitting here yelling at his camera.
Lee just copied Kajukenbo which was around 20 years before Jeet Kun Do. So no. And the Gene LeBell Milo Savage fight was televised, so no. Lee did not invent MMA. That's a myth that Shannon and Linda Lee have managed to spread.
MMA's timeline wouldn't have changed in the slightest. You had like Eli said, Gene LeBell and Milo Savage fighting before Lee was a star which was just one out of many events that culminated a Judo/wrestling/jiujitsu/boxing rivalry in the west that spanned decades. It included the Gracies, Masahiko Kimura, Muhammad Ali, Antonio Inoki etc.. In the East, during this same time Karateka were travelling to Thailand to challenge Thai boxers. Most of this cross style competition took place when when Lee was an unknown immigrant in San Francisco. In the 80's Brazilian Jiujitsu was competing against Luta Livre and western kickboxers were challenging more and more Thai boxers to mixed rules events and then shortly after, no holds barred fighting ala Vale Tudo, UFC, Pancrase etc. were common household words. He had good ideas. They weren't new ideas in the slightest and Bruce would attest to that (if he put his gigantic ego aside) but he was riding an inevitable wave of challenging tradition and complacency.
@@LuKe31197 The inevitable formation of MMA as we see it today is due in large part to Bruce Lee. You may think bringing attention to MMA is not important, but it is the only important thing. You should know that if you listen to Chael lol. Bruce created a wave and put in 99% of the momentum. The guy died in the 70s, so no he did not invent MMA today, but in no world did any of the examples you brought up explain the cultural shift toward MMA and a general acceptance from the public more than Bruce Lee. And of course other fighters from singular discipline's existed before Bruce Lee. How else would you become the father of MMA?
Chael continuously keeps bashing Bruce for no damn reason. Saying he couldn't fight for shit is the dumbest thing I could hear. All the LEGIT fighters that sparred with him, say he was the real deal and whooped their asses, these are not script writers etc, real fighters/ martial artist
@@johncutie5769 that's not entirely true. There was stuff like Baritsu decades before Bruce. Pankration, a combo of striking and grappling, existed in Ancient Greece. He definitely took it to the next level using modern science and philosophy though.
Daniele Bolelli recently released a two part podcast on Bruce if anyone wants a more in depth and fairly accurate account of him and his life. He was one of a kind and would be considered a legitimate p4p tough guy in any era. This doesn’t make him a ufc champion but unless you were a lot bigger and/or very well trained good chance Bruce would kick your face off! Good bjj notwithstanding
@@JoseGonzalez-gg6rs because chances are he wouldnt be and the whole argument that somebody says hes good so its true is dumb weve seen plenty of hype jobs go nowhere in there combat and non combat sport. No evidence of his fights so it doesn't make sense to think he be any better than an amateur
What people never mention is Bruce Lee was a “Complete” Martial Artist. He was a master of Kung Fu, but he was also a master of Weapons, Philosophy, Training. Jeet Kune Do is basically the philosophy behind MMA. Take the best from all forms of Martial Arts and use what is practical. Bruce was only 31 I believe when he died. He was still learning himself. He was an inspiration to many to even study martial arts. True Martial Arts is not unlike a religion. It is a way of life. This was Bruce’s genius.
True. He also new everything about grappling and Jiu Jitsu. They are all in his book more than thirty years ago. "Tao of Jeet kune do" is the title of the book. All of the grappling and Jiu Jitsu that are being employed in MMA today is in that book.
Yeah I agree. People / fighters these days have lost character. They seem like generic meatheads and don't have that traditional philosophical master wisdom :(
@@ahmesbaloshy472 Who has admitted to losing a real fight to bruce ?? I have a feeling that the silence will be deafening like it is when I ask every other fanboy that question.
Get real, joe has turned into a poor interviewer who agrees with every guest he has on for fear for arguing and defending his view. he agrees with tictac ufo not being possible with one guest and another he agrees it's a drone lol. He said he disagreed with tarantino for this scene and then he agrees with him when he comes on as a guest lol.
People do his show because he's non-confrontational. But he's become a parody of himself. Acting like some spaced out stoner, asking about the most tin foil hat conspiracies. Or stupid questions like why can't so and so just figure it out and do the right thing? Umm like we're humans who are self-interested. Duh Joe; nothing is simple. Most annoying part is the guests now all walk on egg shells around him.
The point of a interviewer is not to disagree with their guest or insert their own opinions, so yes, Joe is a great interviewer. If you want what you described just watch FOX News or CNN or whatever other newscast crap that’s out there
@@jademermaidmusic Lol who told you that? Agreeing with everything your guest says and not challenging them is terrible and offers nothing for the audience. Joe is a terrible interviewer. If you want to see different opinions and critical thinking then watch someone else, if not stay in your echo chamber.
@@jademermaidmusic joe is not a great interviewer lmao. It isn’t about disagreeing. It’s about dealing with reality, a series of connected events. Can I get you to say “ANTIFA started the wildfires.” Or how about “COVID isn’t that big of a deal.” You are delusional. Oh yea. I’m making a documentary on the Joe Rogan Experience. YOU YOU YOU YOU GOT SCREENSHOT
I’m so sick of the disrespect towards Bruce lee. I’ve read everything there is to read on Bruce lee. Yes, he was just a man. But he was a freak of nature and yes he could really fight. He was a martial artist first and an actor 2nd. There are countless people who were fighters themselves at the time that said Bruce could fight. Bruce did get into fights. He was sent to America because he got into so many street fights in China. He beat up a mobsters son. He was challenged to fights numerous times while working on movies. These “experts” like chael need to actually read a few things before spouting off about the great Bruce lee
@@Midwinter2 this is as close as it gets. This is real sparring with Dan Inosanto. Who would later become his student. Dan has spoken about this sparring session in interviews. Dan had been trained in karate for many years. It’s not a 100% full blown fight, but it real sparring. Dan was trying to best Bruce, and he couldn’t. There is no footage of Bruce in a real life fight. But he did get into fights. The fight with Wong jack man for example. Attested to by multiple people. Fights on movie sets. Fights on the street. He broke a guys nose with a back fist one time on the streets of Seattle for harassing a Chinese woman. All Bruce lee did was train martial arts. For years and years. To pretend like all that training means nothing is absurd. It would be like training boxing for 20+ years and having people say you can’t fight just because there is no footage of you in a street fight. th-cam.com/video/6iAqnOeB6M4/w-d-xo.html
Bruce Lee was the size of the average American 6th grade student. I'd break him in half and so would most average size males. Physics is very very real kids.
Yeah Bruce Lee also beat up people from more than one martial art. He coached a full contact karate guy to the championships. And he won the city boxing tournament when he was still in school. In Long Street you see him use an oblique kick and a guillotine.
@@joshuacabonce did he actually coach them though? Supposedly steven seagall trained anderson silva and a few other mma fighter because he came to their camps
@@4zafinc well if the physical action is recorded with no cuts then? and if Wayne gave in depth advice on it that was used till this day (bruce did) then? its magic because its on film amirate?
@Jay Porter yeah blah blah. He was believed to be able to do all of this because his teachings were sound. He predicted MODERN UFC/MMA decades before it happened. Wake up please
My neighbour is a marine , and he was there when bruce got his ass kicked he told that story million times before movie came out no one believed him , he said he was humiliating the stuntman , and they got into a fight and he got his ass kicked big time , people were laughing and cheering. Guys bruce lee never fought once , he just did fancy moves that's it. And people comapre him with muhammad ali and mike tyson , i saw a video other day how Bruce lee would do against GSP , i was shocked what people think an actor against a UFC champ ?
I’ve been saying this since I was a kid. I’m still young, but still. I don’t understand how people think, even for a second, that Bruce Lee would beat a Conor McGregor. I still respect Bruce for the art work he gave us and the mentality he shared, his philosophy. That’s what’s special about Lee, but he wasn’t a fighter.
“Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face”. You have to experience battle to see how you’d really go. We’ve seen GSP. We never witnessed it with Bruce. He was an actor. Plus engagement ps are set pieces in King Fu the like. Start, strike, stop and reset. It’s a rehearsal. Wonder how Bruce would go after Chuck landed something on his chin?
Quentin : Bruce Lee was a jerk but I wasn't there. Chael : Bruce Lee was a jerk but I wasn't there either. Me : Fair enough, Bruce wasn't a jerk and I wasn't there either.
@DirtyRfour I don’t know if he’s racist, he’s employed loads of actors who aren’t white, but he defended his colleague who raped a child, so that’s where I think most people should have checked out from the guy
@DirtyRfour You are telling blatant snowflake BS. He didn’t say Bruce was a Jerk, he just said he didn’t treat the stuntmen well. Tarantino’s peers all have good things to say about him. What have you done? We don’t know the bad things you’ve done? Go do something with your life.
No he’s just stating facts that so many people don’t want to believe Bruce Lee fanatics like yourself are blinded by reality and the reality is a lightweight can’t stand a chance against a heavyweight fighter that’s just common sense that’s why there’s weight classes.
haha watching his armbar against sam hung and standing guillotine against chuck norris you will realize he is a joke , the posture and hand placement are all wrong. bruce lee has no knowledge in proper grappling. he is only a legend in movies. watching bruce lee punch a punching bag you will see he has no proper hip movement and stance and looks very slow. just watch any pacquiao video and see the hand speed difference. Joe rogan has a better kick than any of bruce lee video demonstration , bruce lee kick looks awkward and out of angle because he is in the air when he kick causing him to lose the rebound effect of a kick. that is why no elite mma fighter study jeet kune do it is trash.
When I met Bruce Lee, he had already been a student and martial artist of Gung Fu for about 12 years. They say his highest ambition then was to create a string of martial arts clubs across the U.S. As far as I know, he had never sought out Hollywood; it sought him out, particularly for his skills. A good reference work for those early martial arts years of Bruce Lee is the book, Striking Distance, Bruce Lee and the Dawn of Martial Arts in America, by Charles Russo. Russo quotes Doug Palmer who recounted an incident on a TV show where Bruce was with several masters. One bragged about his internal Chi, and challenged Bruce to hit him in the stomach, saying it was impossible to hurt him. Bruce punched him right on the nose, shocking the guy. Incensed, he "demanded to know what Bruce was doing." Bruce said, "A Gung Fu man must be prepared for the unexpected." This incident shows that Bruce did have a degree of arrogance, and also fearlessness. Prior to the Wong Jack Man fight, Man wanted them to agree to certain rules, but Bruce said there would be no rules. His attitude was, You come over here challenging me to a fight, there aren't going to be any rules.' Later, Man said of the fight, "He wanted to kill me." Bruce Lee was not an empty shell. As I mentioned in my interview with Paul Bax, Jimmy Lee told me once that in all the times he had sparred with Bruce, he had only touched him once. Later I thought he must have meant "struck a good blow" or something, because surely he had touched him. But years later on the internet I saw a martial artist saying, "Bruce Lee was untouchable," and wondered then if Jimmy had meant exactly what he said. It seems to me that someone who has the physical skills to be a stuntman in Hollywood probably has his own degree of arrogance and pride, and so we have the hubris of the stuntmen in the mix along with that of Bruce Lee, not just that of Bruce Lee, to consider.
I’m so mad at Chael for saying Bruce Lee wasn’t the best martial artist ever. I mean how can you believe anything that guy says after hearing him say Ultimate Warrior wasn’t actually the ultimate warrior.
haha watching bruce lee applying armbar against sam hung and standing guillotine against chuck norris you will realize he is a joke , the posture and hand placement are all wrong. bruce lee has no knowledge in proper grappling. he is only a legend in movies. watching bruce lee punch a punching bag you will see he has no proper hip movement and stance and looks very slow. just watch any pacquiao video and see the hand speed difference. Joe rogan has a better kick than any of bruce lee video demonstration , bruce lee kick looks awkward and out of angle because he is in the air when he kick causing him to lose the rebound effect of a kick. that is why no elite mma fighter study jeet kune do it is trash.
This is tricky because Joe Lewis, Mike Stone and Chuck Norris all said Lee was the fastest they had encountered. Also pound for pound the strongest. His students who were a mixed bunch really tried to hurt Lee and came unstuck. I think he would have done well in UFC at his weight mainly because of his training ethic and speed.
I agree bruce would never fight in mma as he would have to fight a real fighter not a actor , he could not use drugs or steroids , he could not cheat but he could have been a coach as those who cannot do teach
Bruce would have gotten annihilated in the ring. He would have gotten done like ray boom boom Mancini did to that Korean boxer. Bruce is like a Chinese steven seagal, bottom line.
A true master doesn't fight for glory or to prove his worth. They are confident in themselves and respect the art. A master doesn't go looking for fights, and has no desire to harm others. It is always about defense, control, and serving others. Mindset is just as important as physicality or "toughness".
Bruce lived through a time when a lot of people didn’t like his kind. Some of those people are still alive today to tell stories about Bruce. Go figure.
The worst part of that interview Tarantino said multiple times that Bruce Lee did not respect American cinema without a peep from Rogan. Hm? Question? Is it possible that Hollywood had no respect for Bruce and denied him any significant opportunity for years.
@@mountaingoattaichi BRUCE LEE WAS BORN IN AMERICA. HE WAS AN AMERICAN WHO COULDN'T GET A JOB IN HOLLYWOOD BECAUSE OF RCISM. NEED TO CANCEL THE HACK THEIVE QUINTIN TERRANTINO.
This did nothing too diminish the legacy of Bruce Lee he was loved before this video an before the Tarantino film came out an he is loved just as much after all this nonsense
Joe Lewis and Jim Kelly . said he was the best. And im glad many boycotted that nonsense by Tarantino Too many people have said how good lee was. Lee was no fake or idiotic jerk
Ultimately it comes to "Hollywoods power", its actually kind of scary how easy it is to "manipulate" peoples thinking. I think we all been there, we might do it today too, its not as easy to work on armbar if someone is actually punching you at the same time.
Bruce Lee was never part of Hollywood. He never actually made it in America. His film success was in Hong Kong. Bruce was a martial artist as well as being an action actor and that is where the lines get blurred.
The whole idea that Bruce Lee revolutionized the martial arts world by coming up with this insane thought of learning different stuff is as much nonsense as all the other mythical claims around him. People have always looked into different things. For example, quite a few of the early figureheads of Okinawan Karate were also high ranked Judo black belts. Many old time catch wrestlers were also into boxing. Style vs. style spectacles were already popular in the 20s, such as Motobu Choki's fight with a western boxer. And most importantly, Vale Tudo contests were already regularly taking place in Brazil in the 60s, well before Bruce Lee made his first movie. Lee is not the originator of the MMA idea - Vale Tudo for all intents and purposes was already proto-MMA and was traditionally a hotbed of rivalry between BJJ and Luta Livre.
Didn't Hollywood crap on Bruce and steal his project, relegate him to a stereo-type in casting, among other things? Lol, he has 1 big Hollywood movie and Kato of all rolls.
No which was Tarantinos whole point this video really doesn’t explain anything about the conversation they had it’s kinda a pointless notification it happened
The fact 30 people liked this nonsense. That’s the point Tarantino makes, it’s a MYTH that Hollywood stole his project, and the screenwriter has proof. Also Hollywood is a location, people would steal the ideas not Hollywood. As Tarantino says, if they really thought he stole the idea why would his son be cast in a show YOU BELIEVE THEY STOLE as the Co STAR. Y’all morons need to learn how to think for yourselves. Tarantino still is a big fan of Bruce Lee , his works pay constant homage to him in the first place ! Quentin is a great director who put in a lot of research to create that portrayal. Bruce Lee even helps Sharon state learn the martial arts in the film , yet people claim that Tarantino hates Bruce. Y’all are just silly fanboys hating on Tarantino. Let Bruce rest, but it doesn’t mean he can’t be caricatured or criticized based on ACTUAl EVENTs.
Calm down, it's a rhetorical question based on actual "facts". The movie's called Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, Shaels referring to Hollywood, we all know what it means to refer to "Hollywood". Bruce had one movie come out in Hollywood after he died in his 30s. Everything about that fight scene goes against what Bruce Lee was, his stance on what works and what doesn't. Now I like the movie, but I also understand that there's nothing factual about it, especially that ending, as much as I'd rather Sharon Tate had survived. Perhaps Brandon was invited back, twice to be in a show with a drunk man who sold cut pieces of water hose as a, fakey tai chi work out tool infomercial, to bury the hatchet. Whatever the case 2 men are dead and can't speak for themselves. Then there's loud mouthed Quentin, who I've heard is quite the asshole, whose had more success in in the mythical movie making business. Nobody's blindly fanboyin out, i guarantee most questioning this are doing so based on years of written accounts, books etc... being contradicted by 1 story heard by a fowl man who makes the occasional good movies and sucks on feet.
@@acetofresh1 It actually was Bruce Lee who pitched the concept / idea for what would become the show Kung Fu. They took the idea, fleshed it out, made their own thing of it and cast an actor they thought would appeal more to an American audience. So no he never actually had a hand in the development of that show, but the original concept was his. People seem to forget Bruce wasn't a star in America until after he died. He was well known in certain circles, but was nothing like the household name he would become after Enter the Dragon released. Hollywood wouldn't cast him or any other Asian actor in a leading role prior to that.
Bruce Lee's speed was so fast they had too slow it down. Speed kills we all know that. If Bruce never done what he done the West might of never got into martial arts. So show some respect.
haha watching his armbar against sam hung and standing guillotine against chuck norris you will realize he is a joke , the posture and hand placement are all wrong. bruce lee has no knowledge in proper grappling. he is only a legend in movies. watching bruce lee punch a punching bag you will see he has no proper hip movement and stance and looks very slow. just watch any pacquiao video and see the hand speed difference. Joe rogan has a better kick than any of bruce lee video demonstration , bruce lee kick looks awkward and out of angle because he is in the air when he kick causing him to lose the rebound effect of a kick. that is why no elite mma fighter study jeet kune do it is trash.
That is not as big of a deal as you think it is. Interestingly enough, they asked Wesley Snipes to slow it down while filming Demolition Man and at least one of the Blade movies, because he was too fast for the camera, and those were much better cameras than in the 70s. So, Wesley Snipes is the best ever or at least one of 2 best ever now? As far as speed - without power it is useless.
I agree I'm sure he was a great martial artist, but no disrespect there's people these days who can do things Bruce wasn't even aware of, like certain flips kicks also we have media these days so the average person can see so much and what people are capable of now is extremely remarkable. And Bruce Lee never fought properly, never had proper pro boxing matches or pro kick boxing matches, he boxed at college but all the guys he fought were his size, and he wasn't really knocking any of them out. There's footage
This is a mute subject. Why? There are literally many people who are still alive who worked with Bruce, who knew Bruce and actually seen him fight (for real), ask his students, ask Jackie Chan, Chuck Norris, those just big names. Tarantino took joy in destroying the so called myth of Bruce Lee, like he does to a lot of things, simply because folks looked up to him.
If Bruce was in his prime, alive today, and had all of the technological advantages and access to modern training techniques, He'd easily clear out his weight class. (135 lb) I'd stake my life on it.
I try to explain this to people sometimes…. Chuck Norris had an interview where the guy asked him who would win in a. Fight w him and Bruce Lee. Chuck showered praise upon Bruce and finished by saying-“C’mon- I’m the world champ, he’s a movie star”. All respect to Bruce for his mindset and theory, but I can’t find a single clip of him in a real fight. Obviously he was incredibly fast and talented, included grappling and boxing with his karate, has anybody ever seen him in a fight? Might have been the greatest ever, but was untested. Bruce fans please don’t hate. Much respect to the guy, but he WAS an actor.
Gene Lebell said the same thing Bruce wouldn't stand a chance against Chuck Norris. That isn't even a slight against Bruce whose fighting weight was about 30 pounds less than Chuck.
@@Paul-vf2wl Yeah but even Chuck Norris wasn't a full contact fighter. He did those point fighting karate tournaments in the '60s. Joe Lewis was a point fighting champ and he realized it wasn't real so he started having full contact kickboxing fights.
fair points all. except he wasn't JUST an actor: 1. from old footages, it's obvious Lee had great speed and strength. Joe Lewis, ex-full contact heavyweight kickboxing champ, said in an interview that Lee hit like a heavyweight when they sparred 2. Lee became a fitness freak after a debatable fight with Wong Jack Man. anyone who knows fighting knows that if you have great fitness along with explosive speed, you will always be a threat, with or without pro fighting experience. not saying he could whoop MMA fighters today, just saying he had legit fighting ability. that guy lived and breathed martial arts and films were just a way to spread that passion. each of his movies incorporated different parts of his philosophy. its true his myth has gotten out of hand, but i think the truth is more complicated and lies somewhere between "he's just an actor" and "he'd kill MMA fighters in the streets".
I wonder why people like Joe Lewis, Jim Kelly and many other karate fighters all said Bruce Lee could fight and was the real deal. Jim Kelly said he saw Bruce spar many Karate champions and absolutely demolish them. Im pretty sure he was the real deal.
@@customerservice9602 Well he did have a boxing bout in China and won, so he was 1-0. A filthy casual like you who only started watching MMA in the last 5-6 years wouldn't have known that.
@@Midwinter2 Why do you have to assume everyone is doing something for their personal gain? Talk about creating a false premise. Jim Kelly used to spar Bruce like many other Karate champions who went under his tutelage, Joe Lewis being the most established one. Jim saw Bruce batter a lot of champions and didn't mention names out of respect, but judging from what he said it was very likely he was referring to Chuck Norris. There are countless stories of Bruce Lee engaging in street fights and winning, you just have to do your research. One notable occasion was on the Enter the Dragon set. Pictures of the fight are available as well as many eye witness testimonies. Bruce beat the dude up in an instant. So for you to make such a mendacious claim like that only reinforces your ignorance. Bruce also had a boxing bout in China. So he was 1-0. Bet you didn't know that you casual. 😂😂😂
My friend's dad is retired navy seal. Badass dude. Black belts in everything. According to him, never met a man he couldn't beat in a fight. Except for Bruce Lee. Said he saw him at an exhibition and with how fast he could move and the feats of strength he displayed, he would never want to fight Bruce Lee.
Joe Lewis also said Bruce hit like a heavy weight in sparring. Jim Kelly was a karate Champion, look up What he has to say. Who in the hell would want to train with anybody that couldn't fight.
@@humann5682 Lewis said in video interview that Lee punched him in the face several times in sparring. Fact. He said, " I know what real Jeet Kune Do was like because I got popped in the face with it a few times."
@@RODRICO1 like I said, Joe Lewis said Bruce Lee was a teacher. He trained with him because he could learn things. He just said in his opinion, Lee wasn't a fighter. He basically describes Lee as like a Greg Jackson type: someone who was a good mentor but not actually someone who was a fighter. And also "Who the hell would want to train with anybody that couldn't fight".... You obviously never seen Steven Seagal "working" with UFC fighters lol.
@@humann5682 Joe Lewis was stating a fact, that Bruce Lee wasn't a professional fighter. That is not the same as saying he can't fight. I have no doubt that had Bruce Lee wanted to be a pro fighter instead of an actor he would have been very successful.
I respectfully disagree, there is no proof he treated Stuntmen in that fashion at all and it was such an issue like Mr Tarantino said he would have been replaced, especially in the 60s when racism was rampant, they would have thrown him out without a second look. The only time we hear about a Stuntman being "abused" by Bruce was when a Chinese Stuntman challenged Bruce and was schooled. But we have seen an interview with a Stuntman who was "tagged" as Mr Tarantino says, Mr Lee was very repentant and sorry as soon as the director said Cut he checked on him. That man is Jackie Chan. The cast of Green Hornet also never brought up any abuse from Mr Lee towards anyone, the only universal complaint was about him moving too "fast" for the stuntmen to react, which is why Judo Gene Lebell was brought in to slow him down. I've also found no interview thus far with Mr Lebell where he states anything to the contrary.
The author of the book QT was referencing about the stuntman situation and all that came out and corrected him and said QT’s take on it was false and it didn’t happen how he described.
Chael Sonnen also said in an interview that Chuck Norris isn´t a fighter because he only fought on points. He said that Norris was a joke as a fighter because he really didn´t fight.
Bruce was on screen legend who knew how to fight, and his philosophies are proven to this day, however never tested his skills in the professional ring. I believe his passion was to be a movie star and he used his martial arts skills to open up a new genre to the western screens. My 2 pence or cents depending which side of the pond you're from.
He’s actually one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever step foot in the octagon, guy lied in a court of law to avoid punishment and allowed a whole generation of dopers to legally do it with TRT
kind of odd to me that Chael said that both Fedor and Khabib don't actually use Sambo in MMA. but then it occured to me that even Sambo is pretty much an amalgamation of Judo throws with kickboxing. it just has specific rule sets that set it apart from a judo match
Joe Lewis a heavy weight champion in karate quit karate and started training with Bruce Lee. Not only average Joe’s was fond of Bruce also real martial artists. Bruce is a legend and did a lot for the people of Asia. Bruce was a great guy. Gene lebell loved Bruce and trained with Bruce. Show some respect to Bruce and his craft. He’s more than earned it.
Gene Lebell has also said there's no way in hell Bruce could beat Chuck Norris in a fight. Its only disrespectful if you worship the myth of Bruce Lee rather than the real man.
@@Paul-vf2wl Gene Lebell was a fat, slow out of shape old man that only rolled around on the ground with guys smaller than him. The average joe on the street who watches kick flicks would smoke him.
Hey Chael! I've enjoyed watching your fights. I'll admit I idealize Bruce Lee, but I'm trying to get to the bottom of this controversy so I can have a more educated understanding, and so I'm all ears to professional opinions like yours. In an interview with Joe Lewis he said that he trained with Bruce Lee and that, "It actually, in a great way, improved my fighting style." There's an interview with Mohammed Ali where he praises Bruce Lee as he talks about how he either trained with Bruce Lee or studied his work, and how it help him be a better fighter as well. So I think it's a bit dismissive to flat out say that Bruce Lee was a jerk. I think he probably was a bit cocky from time to time, but that he took joy in learning from others and teaching as well in a very meaningful way. Is that fair?
Quick note from a lifetime Bruce Lee fan: Bruce´s philosophy - which I happen to enjoy just as much as the movies and the whole mystique around the guy - are heavily inspired (some would say 'taken') by the writings of Krishnamurti. Bruce would adapt them to the world of martial arts. You can basically do that with just about anything. I.E, I'm an investor. I could say that ''the good investor is like the water, he flows with the market and keeps on moving forward''. That´s what Bruce did.
Bruce began the training of Asian martial arts to Americans, wich he got alot of heat from doing from Asian martial artist. So people saying he thought Americans were beneath him is contradictory to the fact that he believed that everyone should be able to learn and train.
@@nfvoodz8828 He said western stuntmen. But my point is, one should not speak ill of someone incapable of defending themselves. Specially not such an cultural icon as Bruce.
Tarantino has balls and I respect him for that. I respect the hell out of Bruce Lee, and maybe Bruce was a jerk at times. No man is invincible. Still love Bruce Lee.
@@cremefraiche9095 The film is one thing, but people can call him out for acting like he knows who Lee was. And the Army character he talks like he was a real guy.
@@teleguy5699 to each his own, obviously at the end of the day it’s just a fairytale. But how can South Park or other comedians poke fun at real people without consequence? I for one do not want Tarantino to hold back, if he thinks it should be in the movie, I do too, I’ll interpret it on my own. I also don’t think the scene was meant to focus on the cartoonish Bruce lee, but rather just how lethal Pitt’s character was in the movie
Sonnen doesn't have a clue regarding Lee on the set. History by all the people who were there tells a far different story. Most people really liked Bruce and Bruce was always very professional and classy. A couple crew members behind the scenes indeed didn't like hearing Lee constantly talking about martial arts and philosophy and we're heard mumbling, " He's a loudmouth. He a bullshitter." But those couple guys were just that, a couple guys. There were probably 60 people on those Green Hornet sets. Almost everyone liked Bruce Lee. He was nice, funny, friendly and charismatic, interesting, fun and just a very cool person. Further, contrary to Tarantino's nonsense talk about what happened on the set...and Sonnen agreeing with him, no military guy, stuntman, actor nor anyone, had a fistfight, brawl, challenge fight...with Lee on set. Judo Gene LeBell, a wrestler who loved Bruce, ONCE onset, when Bruce was talking to someone about martial arts and philosophy, suddenly grabbed Bruce from behind and choked him around the neck playfully, then picked him up and started running around the set carrying Lee as a joke. Lee yelled, " OK! OK!!! put me down." Le Bell kept running around and Lee was like, " Alright! Put me down or I'll kill you Gene! ( Bruce joking of course ). LeBell goofing, kept running, carrying him across his shoulder and said, " I can't put you down cause you'll kill me! ". Everybody was laughing and he of course put Bruce down and Bruce thought it was funny too...and probably shook his fist at Gene in a non serious ( " You silly son of a bitch ! " ) type way. And that was it. Lee never had a fight on The Green Hornet set. Sonnen then said Lee was no fighter, couldn't fight a lick. He claims Lee, like some other Hollywood type film action star actors, just sparred around and did martial arts, teaching etc...with a few average losers in his back yard or at his school. Wrong. Lee also sparred with and got the best of undefeated Karate and kickboxing champion Joe Lewis ( a much bigger man than Lee by the way ) which Lewis admitted, noting Lee punched him right in the face a few times. Lee bested Karate champion Chuck Norris in a spar where two witnesses, one an LA off duty cop, noted Lee, by the end of the " friendly " match, left Norris, " red-faced ". Lee in a spar broke Army boxing champion Dan Lee's jaw. The list goes on and on. Lee had tons of street fights in Hong Kong and a handful or maybe a dozen in the USA and never lost. Sonnen should realize Lee won the Interschool Boxing Championships of all the high schools in Hong Kong in 1958. And his final fight was with a much larger, taller, British opponent who was champion the previous year, Gary Elms. So Lee had been a real fighter, even competitive fighter, since he was a teenager. Sonnen quite obviously doesn't do any actual thorough research and is doing exactly what he accuses Lee or whomever else of doing..... bullshitting. Sad he has a platform where great numbers of people will unfortunately blindly believe his and/or Tarantino's false narratives about Bruce Lee.
I read all of that…Thanks. Chaels’ intelligence is a myth. I still like him though. He’s funny. You look at Bruce Lee’s achievements however, and you have to say…Chael who?
Can’t fake his chuck skills. Bruce Lee would be a legend in his weight class if he was around now. Bruce was hated by a lot of Americans especially around that time frame so I can see why he might of did what he did
Jim Kelly said Bruce Lee won fights with some of these famous fighters and he could vouch for Bruce Lee's skill set. RIP 🙏🏽Jim and Bruce. Not only Jim but Bruce Lee's famous students seen him fight. Deceased don't rest in the hearts of men.
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Dam, Chael was first...
Undefeated.
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and i bet Bruce Lee would defeat u in less than 30 seconds. The Myth of Bruce Lee..haha. BLABLABLA...the thing is that everything tarentino said is wrong and the guy he mentioned that bruce lee was not very nice to american stuntguys said the total oposite but it was no problem for Tarentino to tell another lie about Bruce Lee. lie after lie after lie..U never met him but u think u are allowed to ruin his myth cause why? u cannot prove anything and all u do is speculate on a guy whos dead 4 50 years and cant defend himself. . so u said he fought only garbage guys in his backyards.. so he trained the tournament karate world champions in his backyard and u really think they wouldnt recognize it when bruce lee was just an actor or a jerk?haha common u can do it better than this right? tell more lies the world dont need.. who is next on your list? kobe bryant? wasnt he even a basketballplayer? maybe he wasnt able to dribble the basketball right? he was just a garbage nba player right? cause he played with garbarge basketballplayers in his backyard? right? haha u are the jerk not bruce lee. hes the legend and u are nothing
Bruce Lee was stealing from not only the Hollywood industry but also from other Martial artists. The guy was caught dead cheating with his wife. Chuck Norris son said that if his dad was not such a nice guy he would have kicked Bruce Lee's ass. The stunt men hated Bruce Lee because they knew that he took advantage of them and they knew they could whoop his lil ass.
*Turning on a Chael video, so my girl will think I’m a tough guy*
“Talking about erectile dysfunction isn’t easy!”
Dude I live in a block of flats with my windows open. It came blasting out on my speaker. The shame.
lmaooooo
Noooooooo!!!😂🤣😭😎
Bruh
Y'all proving the quote right tho
Tarantino;"Once upon a time in Hollywood"
Chael;"One night in Hollywood"
Tarantino;"ok great"
Lol
This could be the greatest comment ever written
I have no idea what I just watched or what exactly he was talking about rather
Lmao came to the comments looking for this wasn't disappointed
But where does bruce lee fit into all this
"One night in Hollywood". Sure, lets roll with that.
It's always sunny in Hollywood
@@MacBaza
Hollywood is. Dark Luciferian industry.... Hollywood meaning.... Witches wand made from Holly tree. Casting spells brainwashing the masses.... Since being awake from this matrix reality.... I dont watch movies, sports, t.v in general....
@@javiersimental1908 glad we have you on youtube then! The source of all goodness
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@@javiersimental1908 the quarks are vibrating
The incident you're referring to where Bruce Lee refused to do the scene was from Green Hornet where Kato was scripted to lose to Robin. That was afaik the only time and it's not only that Bruce refused to do it, he didn't think anyone would believe that could happen, and I have to agree.
You're dumb if you think Bruce Lee was some unbeatable fighter or some crap.
@Rick Deckard
It does not matter what you are Bruce Lee thought if it is in the script then it is so.
@@jasonmaguire7552 Of course no one is unbeatable, these idiots who blow Bruce Lee up to be this invincible being are just as dumb as those who thinks he's nothing but an actor. His legacy was real and he did inspire many and his philosophy lives on.
@@jasonmaguire7552 World champions came him to him for a reason dummy.
If he couldn't fight he would never be remembered for nearly 50 years. I'm unsubbing from chael. He did no research on Bruce and also seems to have jealousy on how famous lee was. I guarantee Chael wouldn't be talking that mess if Lee was alive.
Heres some real people on Lee btw:
How great lees relationship was with Master Ip man and on any doubt he didnt secretly train lee one on one secretly as well.
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Lee's kick speed and accuracy
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Triad boss on Bruce lee
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Vic Moore speed and skill debunked right here vs Joe lewis
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jim kelly middle weight world champion on how great Bruce lee was:
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Joe Lewis world HW full contact champ using
Jkd taught to him by Bruce Lee. The dragon was the best and no joke.
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Any doubts that a healthy lee was often up to 155-170 lbs of muscle check this out.
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Jame Demille on Lee's skill as a fighter period!
James is also a undefeated Hw Boxer
In the Air Force
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When an NFL guy wanted to test
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Labelle Exposed:
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Grandmaster Richard Bustillo
On Bruce Lee:
Exactly !! Did they think Bruce was stupid !!
I can’t relate to taking an evil pleasure in “supposedly” telling a negative story about a man “I do not know.” “Never met” and “is now deceased” just because a couple guys told me he wasn’t nice to them.
Chael sonnen comes off a closet racist
@@daebak7370 Closet? Just look up Chael Sonnen Brazil
Bruce Lee had a rep of being an asshole and there are no real records of him having any real fights. It was a built myth to make him more marketable in the U.S.
@@janblachowiczsfatgrandson7833 yes. Chael at his best 🤣
Bruce Lee was good at acting like a fighter, any mediocre fighter makes him look foolish…to think ppl like you wanted him to fight Ali LMAO
“One Night In Hollywood”. The finest film ever directed by Quimby Totino’s.
I like lovable 8 and django free-of-chains
I’m convinced he does this on purpose now. 😂
My favourite Quimby totinus is chill bill
I come for the wisdom of sonnen I stay for these comments
Tarantino's remake of "One Night in Paris"
All who met Bruce Lee say how good fighter and person he was.
Leo Fong
Dan Inosanto
Joe Lewis
Jim Kelly
Sugar Ray Leonard
Richard Bustillo
James DeMile
"Brother Teacher" - Reginald Stroud
Yang Sze, better known as Bolo Yeung
Jackie Chan
Chuck Sullivan
Bob Baker
James Coburn
Chuck Norris
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Van Williams
But let's listen to those who never met him. Because that makes sense.
Many of their interviews are on youtube. Search them.
I know right
I got really annoyed by that
The MMA crowd seem to get butthurt by Bruce Lee... it's like their ego's can't cope. So they do the whole 'he wasn't a street fighter' thing. Except most of them weren't too, and so fucking what anyway?
@@lukebaines7785 It’s about his legacy
YOURS IS THE ONLY COMMENT THAT MAKES SENSE!!!!
Classic chael messing up the names of things and calls it “one night in Hollywood” lol I laughed 😂
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What do you mean? Of course it's"One Night in Hollywood".
If Bruce Lee wanted to be a fighter, he would have done so. No his passion was martial arts, he studied philosophy in college, and his calling was acting.
In all of that, he is a tremendous success considering the era in which he lived, the discrimination he faced, and he accomplished so much at 32.
He changed action movies forever. He created a martial art and composed his martial arts philosophy. He represented the East to the West and vice versa. He inspired millions of people then and for generations.
Not to mention there was no actual fighting back in the day for him to take part in that involved Martial arts. At least openly or legally.
Agree
The closest thing was boxing . There was no mma back then
And Cassius Clay would've killed him in a street fight
I don't think you know how his son was killed
Okay we're talking about two different ways of showing a fight scene. Jackie Chan hates working with Western stunt people. He usually works with his own crew.
Bruce wanted to work in a way that he knew, a more realistic way. And the Western stunt people couldn't or wouldn't adapt.
I wasn't there but my thought is Tarantino talked to a bunch of people that didn't like Bruce Lee, and I don't think Tarantino likes Bruce Lee. So I doubt he tried to get both sides of the story, because it fit his narrative/his bias. As he said he'd been waiting for years for an opportunity to do this. Obviously he hated Bruce Lee.
That’s my exact thoughts but I think 🤔 he purposely did this to cause controversy because Bruce Lee is such a huge figure for martial arts community.
@yokai I think it's probably the work culture between HK stuntmen and US stuntmen. Because HK Kung Fu movies was big during that time, so being able to take hits is probably on the job requirement in HK. I mean look at Jackie Chan, if the boss man JC is breaking his bones for a scene, you probably be willing to put in the same effort when you do a backward somersault into a fake glass table.
Tarantino jacks all of Bruce Lee's style for Kill Bill then makes a mockery of him in "Hollywood". Tells all you need to know about that little "Randal" from Recess looking man.
Bruce was a foreign actor working in the USA, it's on him to adapt to the culture of the film industry, not smack around other workers.
You can't say a single slightly negative thing about him, like he's a mythical god beyond criticism and not a human; just as fallible as anyone else.
@@zCopyCatz It's also because HK budgets are smaller, so they had to shoot within their own constraints. IIRC even the way they shoot cuts from one punch to the next is shot in sequence, on the same reel, to cut down on costs. And for bigger set pieces they often have multiple cameras to cover one action sequence, so making full contact was expected. Some of their VFX are even built upon it -- the trick of adding baby powder to a stuntman's clothes so that it would give off a big puff when it got punched? Only possible with the HK style. It's an effect so cheap and efficient, modern Hollywood stuntpeople use it as well.
Spit out my coffee hearing Chael say «One night in Hollywood»
He’s such a troll LOL
So did I 😆
He reminds me of my father and uncles from 70's Brooklyn who get every title and name wrong simply because they genuinely don't really give a shit 😂😂😂
I think he may have been referring to the adult version of the movie that is unofficial
If Bruce Lee was alive today he'd praise the biggest arms in West Linn, Oregon as the arms of a true martial artist. Undisputed and undefeated, even Bruce, hell even Chuck Norris was defeated once or twice in his life but not Uncle Chael.
NEVER LOST A ROUND
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@@danigaman never lost a second
If Chuck Norris is really so great, he would come to my house and slam my face onto the keyboehdjeoefbdwjjxjwkfbdkefbdbdbbdnejdbd
Chuck lost a sparring match against Bruce. Its Fact. Lol!
Look what he said in a Interview from 1993. Chuck was a champion in point Karate. Bruce for a none pro fighter beat up many black belts. Thats why some pf them were his Students. Look what Joe Lewis said after he study under Bruce. Bruce made them even better.
This is the THIRD video that Chael has made where he says Bruce Lee can't fight.
It's funny that Chael got the name of "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" wrong because he actually made a video where he reviewed that movie.
He knows it, he butchers names on purpose
Chael's bigger and taller than Bruce and is SUPPOSEDLY a good wrestler. But if we transported a 20-something Chael back in time time to the late 1960s to early 70s, he'd look awful next to Lee. I think Lee beat the crap out of him. No one understood anything, when Lee demonstrated how you choke a giant opponent, as he did against his friend and student, Kareem Abdul Jabar in the GAME OF DEATH in the early 1970s.
Lee is respected and honored FOR a reason; and it's not all "Hollywood." He really is a direct forerunner to the sport of MMA.
And he did have multiple skills, in a time when no one else --- not even black belt masters of his days --- knew anything about an integrated, interdisciplinary approach to fighting. Lee was the only person who looked shredded exactly like your typical Top 5 guys today at the UFC. And this was late 1960s to early 70s. Of course, Lee's elite skills back in the 1960s and early 70s are NOT equal to the skills of elite MMA fighters in 2021.
But I bet Messi would EASILY run in cicles around Maradona and Pele, too, in soccer...
Anyway, I just watched how a lanky, non-wrestler-specialist Damean Maia wrapping his arms around a young Chael, hoisting him onto the air, and slamming him onto the mat & I thought: wait, isn't Chael supposed to be the wrestler, with Maia merely being a BJJ (not good until AFTER they're on the mat?)
@@kiabtoomlauj6249 the comment I was looking for. No one gives Bruce credit for what he knew back in the 60s and 70s. Photos of him doing arm bars, RNC, and single/double leg take downs. It's so convenient to compare him to fighters of 2021
@@kiabtoomlauj6249 tbh from everything I’d heard and learnt and studied about Bruce. Bruce’s abilities exceed anything in modern MMA, especially his striking. The fact is he could do things most people can’t, even Dan Inosanto has gone on record saying this on film. I don’t think modern MMA guys are doing anything like what Bruce was doing since they are doing totally different things with different mentalities and outlooks towards unarmed combat. One is about self defence in a life threatening situation, the other is sport fighting under rules and regulations, Bruce Lee was utterly obsessed and trained non stop 24/7. He didn’t take time off. No MMA person of today is doing that. I don’t see how people can even compare modern MMA people to him. The things he was doing people don’t do or can’t do, and these absurd comments like how a modern MMA female fighter could beat him are utterly absurd. I honestly think a LOT of people are misinformed and don’t really know anything about what Bruce was training or what he was really about. Primary targets of jun fan jkd are eyes, throat and groin and Bruce trained this way obsessively. Modern MMA and what he was doing just aren’t the same thing.
Bruce Lee can't fight. He never could. Most high school wrestlers would fuck him up. It's a childlike fantasy to think he's tough
The story isn't true or even based on a true story. Tarantino just speaks like it is.
There is some minor influence of Gene LaBelle and Bruce (Gene getting the better of him joking around).
Also I'm not Bruce Lee fanboy and realistically he was only 135 pounds but given all the stories from the people he spared with including Gean LaBelle I definitely wouldn't say he couldn't fight at all
Gene and Bruce were good friends. Gene got Bruce in a head lock on the set of Green Hornet, and picked him up. Bruce wasn't fully developed at that time, and started learning Grappling with Gene. They didn't fight each other, it was just a "guy" thing.
@@videomaster8580 you're forgetting the most important part...where gene was able to use a hold on him and Bruce could only escape after begging gene to let him out
Bruce Lee was just another martial artist that knew a few things, he never fought anyone professionally because he could have been exposed. The guy is all myth and legend, nothing of substance to back him up.
Tony Danza would beat the shit out of Bruce Lee.
There's no proof Bruce even sparred with someone. He was an actor, stop.
That’s not actually true now. Most, as far as I’ve heard, have said that Bruce was more like 155 or 165 and not 135. Either way, he had always looked like he had too much muscle for a 5’8 Chinese guy.
@@fistoftulkas7335 He didn’t spar, but he got into plenty of street fights when he was younger. So he had that experience. That’s why his parents had him put into martial arts.
You are so great Quentin Tarantino because the dead man never has a chance to complaints
If Bruce lee was alive today he would be learning the same things as modern MMA athletes. He was doing the best he could with what he knew back then, it’s not fair to compare him with what we know now.
But he did not even fight in his own era and had plenty of opportunity and did not do so. Bruce did do boxing in his younger years and that was the closest thing he got to fighting.
I don't think so. Lee was more interested in real fighting and not sport fighting. He sparred and cross trained enough to understand why sport fighting builds the fundamentals needed for real fighting, but the habits you use are different. It is like comparing a 100 meter sprint with a marathon. If you train for 10 or 20 second altercation, you can get really good at stuff that would get you countered to death in an MMA fight. Martial arts have not evolved, sport fighting has.
@@emilianosintarias7337 yea Bruce was against sport fighting. he said he was using moves that you could fight with on the street
Bruce Lee definitely believed in mixing martial arts and that you should use what works best for you. MMA is something Lee was kind of aiming for. Although ultimately MMA is a sport with necessary limitations.
@@bighands69 get so sick of hearing this. Do you understand that back then tournaments werent like UFC? there was no 5 rounds. It was seen as ego fueled and ridiculous to bruce. He fought a real fucking chinese master gangster who challenged him on the street for teaching whites their sacred martial arts. And he WON.
“I wasn’t there, so I don’t know for sure” proceeds with “Bruce lee couldn’t fight for lick” . Very strong opinion based on a movie made by Quentin Tarantino based on what he heard from stuntmen from Hollywood who weren’t very fond of Bruce lee. But You’re not a hater tho 🤷♂️ …
The fact that Tarantino felt the “deep need” to make Bruce lee into a comic because he heard hear stories from salty stuntmen about what happened behind the scenes sounds pathetic.
It was probably true that American stunt men were inferior to Asian stunt men at the time. Hong Kong action movies just had better stuntmen at the time, they did crazier shit for real with disregard to safety (Jackie chan stunt reels after his movies which pointing to the shit they were up to)…
It’s the fact that Tarantino really had this urge for years to portray Bruce lee in this light that comes off as if his intentions had bad faith. And people see that and clown him for it.
Bruce lee still is an icon to millions of people all over the world.
He’s was ahead of his time, pioneered martial arts into a precursor of what is modern day MMA.
He also says Van Damme was a fake...Van Damme who has a 18-1 professional kickboxing record with all 18 wins being knockouts. I guess by those metrics, Chael Sonnen is also a fake.
Well it's true there's no record of Bruce Lee ever having a real fight. Like at all none any real badass could smash Bruce Lee.
@@philo2189 No, that isn't true, and I don't know why you would claim such when it is easily disproven. There is no video footage of him fighting, but even if you dismiss the fact that he was part of a street gang in Hong Kong, it is pretty well documented that he had a fight with someone the Chinese martial artists sent over to challenge him to keep him from opening a martial arts school in the US. There are also multiple eye witness accounts to the time he actually did get into a fight with a stuntman, who challenged him btw, and which he ended quickly by tossing the stuntman into a wall.
That said the guy was 5'8", most serious fighters would kick his ass, but at the time I doubt anyone in his weight class could have taken him in a fight. I think it was Chuck Norris that said Bruce Lee was pound for pound the strongest man he knew. Bruce Lee was able to hold more than half his own body weight in one hand with his arm fully extended out in front of him. You can see how how ridiculously fit he was if you do a google image search for "Bruce Lee flexing". He was also incredibly fast. He himself admits he knew faster guys, but you can see in some of his films how he can feint, and then strike with the same hand, before the stuntman can react to the feint. Combine that with street fighting experience, traditional martial arts training, an obsession with Muhammad Ali's footwork, training with Gene LeBell, Chuck Norris, and others, and you can see why he was widely regarded as very capable fighter, even though he didn't fight.
The thing that people miss regularly when claiming Bruce Lee wasn't a fighter, is that there no forum for him to fight in. He was essentially a mixed martial artist, decades before there was an MMA organization. He wasn't a boxer, or even a karate or judo expert. He incorporated those skills into his own style, or lack of style to be more precise, but they didn't match the way he fought. In the classics martial arts world he would be considered a grandmaster, able to draw from a diverse mix of fighting styles and create his own unique style from them. However, that sort of classic view of martial arts was on its way out, and he was seen as more of an upstart than anything else.
The reality is Bruce Lee probably wouldn't win against a modern MMA fighter, even in his own weight class, because that modern MMA fighter would have the benefits of having an MMA program they could follow from birth. Bruce Lee is highly regarded by most in the MMA world, because he was essentially the catalyst for the creation of what is now MMA. He broke the traditional rules of each martial art having it's own unique style, and said "no, lets use whatever works best, for whatever position or situation we are in". It was his attitude that influenced other martial artists of the time, and from that was born modern MMA. Only people like Chael, who are either ignorant, and/or have an inflated ego disregard Bruce Lee as a fighter and his role in influencing the martial arts world. I mean, as I said in my previous comment, Cheal called Van Damme a Hollywood fake, and Van Damn has a better professional fighting record than Chael does.
@@EcnalKcin Bro I'm not reading all that 😂 but there's literally no record of him ever having fights with other martial artist stop the cap. The man had great knowledge of martial arts but he did not fight he was an actor my dude.
paid actor who had droves of proven fighters under his tutelage “my dude”.
From the book cited by Tarantino, regarding Bruce Lee, stuntmen and the "incident" with Gene LeBell:
'He had never done elaborate fight choreography on film-his childhood Hong Kong movies were melodramas, not action flicks. Onstage, Bruce dealt with three-dimensional space and an audience viewing from every angle. To sell a punch or kick, he had to land within millimeters of the target, what he called “non-contact gung fu.” But The Green Hornet stuntmen were all veterans of Westerns. “It was a two-dimensional thing where you had the camera over your shoulder,” says Van Williams. “You could stand three feet away from your opponent and swing, and if the guy reacted correctly and the sound effects were right, it looked perfect. Bruce could never get used to working that far apart.” Bruce insisted on close quarters combat. The stuntmen hated it.
They weren’t fast enough to react to him, and as a result, occasionally got banged up. “They got to the point where they didn’t want to work on that show,” Williams recalls. “They were tired of getting hurt.” “Judo” Gene LeBell, a legendary pro wrestler, world-class judoka, and the stunt coordinator on-set, was assigned the task of calming Bruce down. “Bruce would hit you in ten different spots and as a stuntman you wouldn’t know whether to grab your jaw and say that hurt or your stomach,” says LeBell.
“We did our best to slow Bruce Lee down because the Western way was the old John Wayne way where you reach from left field, tell a story, and then you hit the man. Bruce liked to throw thirty-seven kicks and twelve punches.” When reasoning didn’t work, LeBell took to joshing Bruce. “In pro wrestling, they call it ‘the swerve.’ It’s how far you can tease and get away with it,” LeBell explains. “I’d tell him he put too much starch in my shirt.” One day as part of the general joking and roughhousing atmosphere on set, the stuntmen egged LeBell into picking “the little guy up.” LeBell yanked Bruce onto his shoulder in a Crouching Nelson hold-upside down with one hand around the back. Then he slowly walked him around the set. “Put me down!” Bruce yelled. “I’m going to kill you!” “I’m not going to let you down.” “Why?” “Because you are going to kill me.”
Despite the difference in temperament, the two men became friends. “I reckon I teased him so much I eventually got him to loosen up a little,” LeBell says. To Bruce’s credit, he was so obsessed with perfecting his martial arts he put up with the hazing to learn from LeBell. Bruce offered to exchange lessons: kung fu for judo and wrestling. “I showed him some legitimate finishing holds, leg locks, arm locks,” LeBell recalls. “He told me he used one of my holds on Chuck Norris in Way of the Dragon.”'
Matthew Polly, Bruce Lee: A Life (page 186-7, Kindle Edition)
Great book; a real in depth look at Bruce, warts and all.
Or is it possible Bruce lee had a ego? Old stunt men use to literally get shot at with real guns in old Hollywood movies I think they could take a punch plus people act like they are dumb brutes who can’t learn new styles of choreography. Bruce lee had like a cult following like he was a religious leader. He was 128 pound man who had ZERO PROFESSIONAL FIGHTS In any martial arts but people say oh he did this and this give me a break.
Excellent info. 👍
This adds way more context then simply saying him beating up stuntmen meanly
@@chucknoris7648 He definitely had an ego. Lol
Gene lebell was the guy and he never said he fought him. He said he went up to him and picked him up on his shoulders. Bruce said put me down I'll kill you and Gene lebell said no cause you'll kill me. Then they became friends and trained together.
And u believe dat
@@sikkastanislas4530 well gene lebell is the one who said it so...
I've tried to tell that story and it amazes me how the Lee haters pounce on anything you say about him unless you say "Lee was just an actor". Nuts!
@@sikkastanislas4530 I mean if you don't want to believe gege lebell i don't know what to tell you lol
You couldnt fake what Bruce Lee did on film. How do we know? Almost 50 yrs later and with all the special effects we have we still haven't produced anything as remotely exciting and beautiful as a Bruce Lee fight scene.
Exactly
You obviously haven't watched the Netflix series: Daredevil
Watch “IP Man” and come back to your comment...
@@detailin_dave926 those fight scenes were cool but nothing realistic about them..
Bruce Lee was a child actor who progressed into adult films. He was really a dancer and gymnast.
He had a very stylistic way of performing in martial arts films that appeals to an audience who likes fantasy rather than reality.
Bolo Yeung was only 5'6" tall and he looked like a monster compared to Bruce Lee in enter the dragon.
Even Demetrious Johnson would be too much for those guys.
Chael: "Quentin Tarantino"
Also Chael: "Surreal Gong"
Imagine Buffer saying “SOOOONG THE SURREAL GONG...YADONG.”
Rosenstrook
Surreal gong hahaha that’s real comedy
The issue is Bruce dedicated his life to changing the portrayal of how Asians were on screen. Bruce was cool and a hero, and Tarantino made him comical, while indirectly inferring Bruce can’t fight which is not true. Martial Art champions like Joe Lewis will tell you so.
Tarantino implied, the viewer infers.
@@chonqmonk Implied or inferred, I think my point still stands.
The irony of Chael saying Bruce Lee couldn't fight
@@bongjamesbong00420 no irony whatsoever chael is a proven fighter bruce isnt.
BRUCE WAS THE 1ST MODERN DAY ACTION HERO.....THINK ABOUT THAT AND EVERY OTHER MOVIE THAT CAME AFTER HIM.
You NEED to read about the life of Bruce Lee. Lol. I mean, to say he "couldn't fight a lick" sounds like a teen who just got into martial arts and is trying to sound smart.
The guy was kinetically gifted and extremely driven. He trained obsessively and in an intelligent way. Even you couldn't deny that. He also sparred with a lot people of differing sizes and styles. VERY well documented, BTW. SO many people from the martial arts world pay his skills huge compliment. Yeah, skills, not just philosophy or personality. He obviously knew what he was doing. To say otherwise is immoral when you are trying to influence a lot of people. Do better.
He had NO professional wins just because you spare with people doesn’t mean you are a world champion. People worship him like he was a great warrior the guy Brad Pitt played in the movie actually went to war he actually killed people that’s the Ultimate form of warfare. He was a killer he even killed his wife. Bruce lee was a 128 pound man give me a break
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT HE WASN'T A PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER. BUT THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A LOT SKILL WITHOUT BEING IN THE UFC OR SOMETHING IS DUMB AS ROCKS. IF YOU ARE TALENTED AND YOU TRAIN IN THE RIGHT WAY LIKE A MANIAC, YOU ARE GOING TO BE VERY SKILLED. Maybe putting it in all caps will get through to some of you at last.
@@Midwinter2 Prove that he was not. There is a lot more evidence of him being a good fighter than the naysayers just saying he can't.
@@chucknoris7648 What did your boy Chuck Norris win? He was a point fighter. Let's play tag. I did point karate, Lee wasn't even a karateka so where was he supposed to compete? Don't give me some obscure tournament in Peru or something. He was a married man supporting his family through acting.
I've never seen a clip of him fight. I've seen a clip of him hitting a heavy bag with a sidekick I hope that wasnt his best. I've seen better way better
Chael's story and beliefs on Bruce lee are as real as "One night in Holywood" being the name of that movie
@@EventualWarlord Sound like a hater
@@EventualWarlord Lol, well you are right. He didnt none pro fight wins but he did have wins in the streets, such as Wong Jackman who was a black belt. What about when he was pick by the Chinese Community to low-key bodyguard for a Asian actress while she was on tour in U.S. cause the triads was trying to exort her. Are how about all the great martial artist of that time said that they got better as a fighter because of training with Bruce. I'm not saying that he couldn't be beat he was human. At the same I wouldn't bet against him either. No dickrider here sir, just the facts !
@@charlescarter1859 tv kid. It's all an act.
@@wee7750 how do u know for a fact, kid ?
prove it! Bruce Lee is an actor, not a fighter. That’s not even debatable
Ok first of all I loved the movie. Secondly qts mistake was having Bruce talk bad about boxers. He idolized boxers, studied them, and won a boxing tournament I china before coming back to America. As for if he could fight, he was small but the guy trained non stop. He also worked with the athletes who competed in the closest thing to mma at the time which was kickboxing. There are also several people who were martial artists at the time who say he used to go dojo to dojo studying and working out with athletes at various places. No one is saying he's ufc caliber but to say he couldn't fight just doesn't make any sense.
True, BL and Jack Dempsey exchanged letters on boxing.
I could be wrong, but I read somewhere that he was asked about fighting Ali, and he pointed out the size difference. He didn't say he would beat him. In fact, the opposite. ‘Look at my hand,’ he said. ‘That’s a little Chinese hand. He’d kill me.'”
At least, that's what was reported by director Robert Clouse. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that doesn't sound arrogant to me.
Yep he called Ali the Greatest Fighter, and studied his moves.
Tarantino's scene lost credibilty there.
Also, no way in f**k
the car would've crumpled on impact like that, lol.
Like Joey Diaz said. Bruce Lee gave the common man hope. That's why his memory is thought back on so fondly by so many and also why his legacy has stood the test of time.
Maybe somebody that knew Bruce lee or worked with him back them after he became famous told Tarantino that lee was a great male but he was kind of cocky and arrogant with certain people, who can blame him anyways having to deal with different types of demons. You cant just be nice to everyone
Yeah, plus the time has to be taken into account. It was quite a bit tougher to be a minority in Hollywood. Confidence is easily confused with arrogance when prejudice enters the mix.
"There's a 5 minute clip going around, if you want to watch it it will only take you a couple of minutes"
Even time is not the Master of Uncle Chael
I've never actually heard Bruce Lee fans claim he was a world-class fighter, like his detractors say. People revere him for his contributions to martial arts popularity, movies, combat philosophy, training methods, and bridging cultural and racial gaps. We have evidence and stories indicating he was freakishly strong and fast (maybe all B.S., Idk), but he was a small man and we don't know how tough he was. The ego he projected probably helped popularize martial arts and martial arts movies tremendously, but people like to rag on him for it. Chael acted the same way to sell tickets during his UFC career.
I'm a huge Tarantino fan, but hearing him discuss Bruce Lee was extremely irritating. He should have just said it's a fictional movie and it's his fictional depiction of Bruce... end of discussion. Instead, he had an oddly emotional response trying to explain why his scene is realistic, when he clearly has no idea about hand-to-hand combat. When Joe asked if he knows about martial arts, Quentin basically said yes because he's choreographed fight scenes.
Go to any Bruce lee video on TH-cam and look at the comment sections, so many Bruce Lee fans claiming he could beat modern ufc fighters.
@@beckwilson2661 I'm sure, and maybe people really believe it, but people also say all kinds of crazy shit on the internet just to say it. I've never heard anyone say this in real life, and I don't think it's why most people respect his legacy
Quentin's full of shit. The irony of Chael saying Bruce Lee couldn't fight.
@@bongjamesbong00420 I don't understand how that's ironic Chael was a world class fighter, I would think he could say if someone can or can't fight
@@beckwilson2661 lol. Well is a loaded hypothetical question. If BL fought in his weight bracket? Which I’m guessing is featherweight at 135lbs. Like money you have to account for inflation. MMA guys today are extremely strong, durable, studied, nutritioned and talented ie. volkanovski, holloway, ortega. So ya BL would have a tough match on his hands. Might even lose. But weighted against inflation? Probably not. Would it be the biggest ppv ever? Hell ya.
I get being frustrated that the other side of Bruce isn't told but Quintan made it sound so personal, I get it if you knew the guy personally but he didn't. Depending on who you ask I'm either really nice or an asshole so Bruce being human too sure he didn't get along with everyone.
Not really if you get a reputation in a industry it comes from something. It comes from peoples experiences on set interacting with Bruce lee.
QT has it in for Lee
Quentin seems to have a deep affinity and respect for Hollywood stuntmen. I feel like, he's baring their flag in the face of Bruce's reputation. No working stuntman would ever publicly bad mouth the talent but Quentin is in a position of power where he can.
@@pixelcultmedia4252 Tarantino, as great as he is at what he does, is also not untouchable.
@@zaynes5094 I don't think he needs to be for my point to be valid. The people who can "touch" him here don't affect his paycheck. That's what gives him a position of power.
Chael understood the philospohy completely wrong.
Bruce was not about mixing everything. He actually believed less is more and you do not need techniques from everywhere , a kick is a kick and a punch is a punch no matter how you call it.
Bruce preached simplicty an innovation, absorbing what offers the most utility in a fight situation.
Now saying Bruce Lee couldn't fight a lick, I don't think is really true. I mean you take one instance where other people vouch for the fact he lost a fight, but immediately disregard, and not mention the many other instances where other people say they have seen him fight, and fight very well, is kinda like cherry picking facts just to prove your point. But interaction is needed to feed the algorithm right? It got me...
Now do I think Bruce lost? Oh yea, that's definitely a possiblity, and it probably happened, even happened on quite a few occasions. Do I think there's a mythos revolving around his legacy?? Sure that too. Believing he was damn near all but unbeatable is incredibly stupid. If that was the case, his philosophy on wing Chun wouldn't have changed. Same goes with the changes his philosophy on martial arts went thru... And he probably wouldn't have created Jeet Kune Do if that was the case. But at the same time there's just as high a possiblity he won just as many actual fights, and was the street fighter he was portrayed to be by many others. Let's not forget street fights are not competition fights in any aspect and people love to think they're similar.
Today we are overall bigger, stronger, faster, and more trained than previous generations. Size and weight take a huge part in who can win a fight too...more so when fighters are trained and taking a guy with more size, with training, against a much smaller opponent is easy to guess who has the clear advantage in any case. But back then he was most likely one of the most skilled, if not the most skilled within his circle. I repeat, within his circle. The rule of "there's always someone bigger, faster, stronger, and/or better, even luckier, that will come along" still applied back then.
If you thought logically, the talent today (Bruce Lee in his prime or not) would get smacked around and chocked the **** out! Period. He made himself look like he was invisible.
Bruce left wing chun because it took too long to beat his opponent. He devised Jeet kune do to beat opponents efficiently. No wasted movements.
@@yostugotz5619 exactly
To act like he didn’t have legitimate skill is ignorant but his fan base is a straightup cult following.. he never competed in any legit matches bc they didn’t rlly exist. All we can do is compare him to today’s people and he wouldn’t be shit in comparison. Kinda like how Pele was a god to soccer in the 60s but would be average today
Bruce literally said he feared a bigger, stronger, faster version of himself.
This is BS. Just read his biography - the one Tarantino mentions, so in theory the one in which Lee is depicted badly like in the movie - and you'll read dozens of tetimonies from Karate masters, Tae Kwon Do masters, Aikido masters etc all saying how good he was.
I believe in woke people. They said how good cnn is. 👏
Bruce was different and definitely on another level my peeps from his time all Martial artist that studied with Jim Kelly rip and said Jim Kelly told them bruce was wiping the floor with them fighters of that time in all out sparring and admitted bruce was even better then him. I rather listen to those that new him then this guy's that are disrespectful. Peace ✌
Bruce Lee never fought anyone with a crowd watching. There are boys I went to high school with who could have kicked the shit out of Bruce Lee. Being a 120lb adult male with zero ability to grapple doesn't mean anything to people bigger than him
@@newerest1 he trained real submission grappling, catch wrestling, jiujitsu and judo with legends like Gene Labell andPan Am gold medalist Hayward Nishiok. He literally used a guillotine choke to defeat Chuck Norris in the climax of their movie.
He also used a crucifix armbar in one movie, tried an arm triangle choke on Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and had his opponent almost win via armbar against him in another movie. He also used a double leg takedown into guard followed by a groin strike to beat another dude.
His writings had a ton of wrestling studies, and lots of leglocks before they even became popular in BJJ. He was the real deal when it comes to MMA skills and athletic fitness. Whether he could apply them effectively against a skilled fighter, or be able to overcome huge size disadvantages is one question, but he was at minimum very aware and skilled in grappling techniques, and super into physical fitness which wasn't a priority in outdated martial arts. Against someone his size in that era, I doubt many could beat him, if any.
@Harry Smith who would you say is a better overall martial artist in either or both skill and fitness during that era?
BRUCE LEE WAS NOT A DICK. HE WAS JUST HANGRY 24/7.
The problem that I have is hear say is 'BS' and Bruce Lee isn't here to defend himself ... there was probably a lot of actors that were jerks back then ... but they're not getting trashed, why? Because they don't have a legendary status and Bruce Lee, against ALL odds, has legend status, so that makes him a target.
Bruce lee had NO professional fighting wins or title fights. He was literally 128 pounds. Half of the stuff he said was picked from philosophies like Taoism Buddhism Sikhism. Even the martial arts he created was a hodgepodge of multiple practices. If it was so good why didn’t he actually fight professionally? Chuck Norris was a world champion karate champion. Bruce lee was a actor entertainer and part con artist.
@@chucknoris7648 if world karate champion like jim kelly and one of the greatest fighters ever benny the jet were saying that bruce lee is the goat who the fuck are you to say he was just an actor to a guy who is the responsible of the existence of ufc and every fucking fighter who makes his living with martial art
@@raohxbroly8176 how is Bruce Lee responsible for the existence of UFC? fanboys need to chill Bruce was a great guy maybe the best martial artist in his era but he's not a god!
@@kwstasdip9742 bruce lee is the first one to throw away limits of one’s style and combine every single style back in his generation into one style. Some of the techniques he used to create Jeet kun Do weren’t even in any known fighting style. For example he used the swift foot work of cha cha and boxing, as well as the lunging of fencing. and if you look at the way a Bruce trained, he really did train like a MMA fighter and back then there was no MMA. He was the first one who had the idea to mix every martial art into one, discarding all the useless and only taking in the useful and create the ultimate fighting style that could adapt to any fighting style that's why he is the father of MMA
@@raohxbroly8176 although he is not! They were Vale Tudo tournaments in Brazil way before Bruce Lee! And there are forms of mixed styles even in ancient times! Take for example Pankration! Mma comes from Vale Tudo not Bruce Lee
Pretty sure Chael just wanted to piss off as many people as he subtlety could in one video.
There are millions of delusional fanboys out there.
To everyone that goes into a spin when Chael messes up a title or a name, he’s doing it on purpose. He wants those comments to flood and the clips to be shared. Man is a genius
I've had this hunch for awhile, there's no way Chael doesn't know fighter's names haha.
Chess in 4D
He might have fuck up the title on purpose but he didn't know shit about the movie and got wrong every fact
He is not. He is notorious at cliff note reading an 5.minute video viewing, and then speaking like an expert. 😂
It is actually quite difficult to do videos and be 100% focused at all times. He does that many videos that he is going to make mistakes or have a brain fart.
Even professionals in media can have moments and that is from some of the best there is.
I didnt get the impression he lost the "fight". Just sounded like he got tricked and shouldn't have been so cocky in that situation. People gotta stop acting like Bruce Lee was above acting ridiculous like any other human.
Yes, Bruce was no angel. People have to get their head out of their ass and stop worshipping people as perfect humans.
@@Ryoufriggingserious Exactly... just because someone plays pretend for a living doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean they are somehow above being a fucking prick. I love Bruce Lee movies and a ton of his philosophy but I'm not gonna act as though he was beyond mistakes. You don't get to the philosophies he had without making and learning from a lot of mistakes
I believe it was a draw. Each one won a 'round' and they got separated for the third. Maybe someone can correct me.
@@Canuck1000 that's right.
@@Ryoufriggingserious He was far from perfect and would say that now.
"Not fight a lick"? It is documented via photos and film, that Lee won a high school boxing tournament ( Hong Kong) and a sparring match (on film). He won both, albeit not effortlessly. His school disciplinary records show that he was in numerous street fights. I'm sure he had a degree of fighting competence.
High school boxing tournaments in Hong Kong of all places? 😂😂
There are guys who've won international boxing tournaments yet couldn't cut it in the pros and u want to bring up high school? 😂
Joe Lewis who I believe is considered a "real fighter" and others all said Bruce could really fight.
Thank you. 💪
Compared to what? He could probably beat up most regular people but an mma fighter or bjj black belt would murder him
@@holetohell4140 How do you know that? Would that same MMA fighter beat up joe lewis or Chuck Norris from 1960s-70s. Its funny ppl shit on a man of his era based upon todays standards but don't shit on others who studied traditional martial arts like shirin-ryu, tang soo do from the same era who are considered fighters and who have said Bruce could fight. Bruce did exactly what they did, he studied different ranges/styes of fighting including boxing and ground fighting.
@@qosmo8 Joe Lewis actually stepped in a ring and fucked up other professional fighters and boxing has been shown to be effective in mma while Bruce Lee is a movie star that never competed in combat sports
@@holetohell4140 And Lewis has said Bruce could fight, and incorporated his principles in his own system, why? Why would he do this if the principles was from a guy who couldnt fight? And by your logic most MMA bjj instructors can't fight because most of them have never stepped into the ring. You ever hear of the Rucker its a basketball tournament and average ppl routinely beat ppl who are in the nba. Just because I dont dedicate my life to the sport of mma doesnt mean I cant play the game......the game of death...lmao you had to have seen that coming lmao.....I guess we just gotta agree to disagree
Chael you still haven’t reviewed Scorpion vs Sub Zero
Uncle Chael: GET OVER HERE
Scorpion: OK great
yes!
Hes not even gonna review this comment....love uncle chael, but he dont give us in the comment section, any attention 😆
@@jessefortini4851 lol
Hahaha bloody gold.
Bruce’s excellence in martial arts wasn’t a myth. Listen to Jim Kelly’s side of the story
Where can I find that ??
Thank you for citing the late great Jim Kelly, not only jim but also the late heavy weight kickboxing champion Joe Lewis!
@@domingogonzales3101 Just search for “Jim Kelly on Bruce Lee”
@@beverlynavarro213 Lewis said, and I quote, "Bruce was not a fighter, he was a teacher. He was a great teacher"
It's not much of a story. Kelly never named anyone. He knew Bruce approx 2 months while they filmed Enter the dragon. The vast majority of that short time they were in Hong Kong. The only well known martial artist that was there was Bob Wall
I don’t believe Bruce could compete with today’s fighters but let’s not just act like he was a wimp who couldn’t fight.
It doesn’t matter if he could beat a bunch of bums his size or smaller who never smelled a gym. He couldn’t not fight. Not competitively.
Martial arts as a whole back then was at a way lower level than it is now. He was a god compared to the other martial artists of the time
@@docrakidocraki8067 listen to this guy
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completely agree. It a big disrespect to think that a martial artist 30 years ago would be able to compete with a martial elite athlete today. Sport evolve and improve. It doesnt de evolve
@@BuRsTiNxMLB not really, boxers back then could definitely beat him
Me: Once upon a time in Hollywood is my favourite movie.
Chael: One Night In Hollywood.
Me: One night in Hollywood is my favourite movie.
Imagine if Bruce didn't exist and no one filled the void. MMA wouldn't come about until 15 years later and Chael would not be sitting here yelling at his camera.
Lee just copied Kajukenbo which was around 20 years before Jeet Kun Do. So no. And the Gene LeBell Milo Savage fight was televised, so no. Lee did not invent MMA. That's a myth that Shannon and Linda Lee have managed to spread.
MMA's timeline wouldn't have changed in the slightest. You had like Eli said, Gene LeBell and Milo Savage fighting before Lee was a star which was just one out of many events that culminated a Judo/wrestling/jiujitsu/boxing rivalry in the west that spanned decades. It included the Gracies, Masahiko Kimura, Muhammad Ali, Antonio Inoki etc.. In the East, during this same time Karateka were travelling to Thailand to challenge Thai boxers. Most of this cross style competition took place when when Lee was an unknown immigrant in San Francisco. In the 80's Brazilian Jiujitsu was competing against Luta Livre and western kickboxers were challenging more and more Thai boxers to mixed rules events and then shortly after, no holds barred fighting ala Vale Tudo, UFC, Pancrase etc. were common household words. He had good ideas. They weren't new ideas in the slightest and Bruce would attest to that (if he put his gigantic ego aside) but he was riding an inevitable wave of challenging tradition and complacency.
@@LuKe31197 The inevitable formation of MMA as we see it today is due in large part to Bruce Lee. You may think bringing attention to MMA is not important, but it is the only important thing. You should know that if you listen to Chael lol. Bruce created a wave and put in 99% of the momentum. The guy died in the 70s, so no he did not invent MMA today, but in no world did any of the examples you brought up explain the cultural shift toward MMA and a general acceptance from the public more than Bruce Lee.
And of course other fighters from singular discipline's existed before Bruce Lee. How else would you become the father of MMA?
yes
@@johncutie5769 braindead take
Chael continuously keeps bashing Bruce for no damn reason.
Saying he couldn't fight for shit is the dumbest thing I could hear.
All the LEGIT fighters that sparred with him, say he was the real deal and whooped their asses, these are not script writers etc, real fighters/ martial artist
@@joshuareingold3466
When he started, yes.
But later on, no.
@@joshuareingold3466 Bruce Lee developed the first form of MMA, so literally no one knew how to fight back then. No one knew MMA.
@@johncutie5769 Doesnt mean they didnt know how to fight, they were just simply all specialists in the martial arts they knew.
@@zackthazombie They didn't know how to fight in MMA which is significantly closer to "real fighting" whatever the fuck that means
@@johncutie5769 that's not entirely true. There was stuff like Baritsu decades before Bruce. Pankration, a combo of striking and grappling, existed in Ancient Greece.
He definitely took it to the next level using modern science and philosophy though.
Daniele Bolelli recently released a two part podcast on Bruce if anyone wants a more in depth and fairly accurate account of him and his life. He was one of a kind and would be considered a legitimate p4p tough guy in any era.
This doesn’t make him a ufc champion but unless you were a lot bigger and/or very well trained good chance Bruce would kick your face off!
Good bjj notwithstanding
Cannot find that podcast. Is it on his site?
Joe Bagtas it’s called History on fire. Should be on podcast app. Most recent episode 👍
The fact you believe Bruce Lee would actually be a good fighter is a joke, you are a smooth-brain
@@jacqueszwart9916man you really don't understand shit about fighting
@@JoseGonzalez-gg6rs because chances are he wouldnt be and the whole argument that somebody says hes good so its true is dumb weve seen plenty of hype jobs go nowhere in there combat and non combat sport. No evidence of his fights so it doesn't make sense to think he be any better than an amateur
What people never mention is Bruce Lee was a “Complete” Martial Artist. He was a master of Kung Fu, but he was also a master of Weapons, Philosophy, Training. Jeet Kune Do is basically the philosophy behind MMA. Take the best from all forms of Martial Arts and use what is practical. Bruce was only 31 I believe when he died. He was still learning himself. He was an inspiration to many to even study martial arts. True Martial Arts is not unlike a religion. It is a way of life. This was Bruce’s genius.
True. He also new everything about grappling and Jiu Jitsu. They are all in his book more than thirty years ago. "Tao of Jeet kune do" is the title of the book. All of the grappling and Jiu Jitsu that are being employed in MMA today is in that book.
@@Mahesh-bo8lv and this guy is saying that he is not a fighter
@@ahmesbaloshy472 Cool story bro, link me to some Bruce lee fights.
Yeah I agree. People / fighters these days have lost character. They seem like generic meatheads and don't have that traditional philosophical master wisdom :(
@@ahmesbaloshy472 Who has admitted to losing a real fight to bruce ?? I have a feeling that the silence will be deafening like it is when I ask every other fanboy that question.
Get real, joe has turned into a poor interviewer who agrees with every guest he has on for fear for arguing and defending his view. he agrees with tictac ufo not being possible with one guest and another he agrees it's a drone lol. He said he disagreed with tarantino for this scene and then he agrees with him when he comes on as a guest lol.
@Harry Smith You offer zero counter argument. You're incorrect badly.
People do his show because he's non-confrontational. But he's become a parody of himself. Acting like some spaced out stoner, asking about the most tin foil hat conspiracies. Or stupid questions like why can't so and so just figure it out and do the right thing? Umm like we're humans who are self-interested. Duh Joe; nothing is simple. Most annoying part is the guests now all walk on egg shells around him.
The point of a interviewer is not to disagree with their guest or insert their own opinions, so yes, Joe is a great interviewer. If you want what you described just watch FOX News or CNN or whatever other newscast crap that’s out there
@@jademermaidmusic Lol who told you that? Agreeing with everything your guest says and not challenging them is terrible and offers nothing for the audience. Joe is a terrible interviewer. If you want to see different opinions and critical thinking then watch someone else, if not stay in your echo chamber.
@@jademermaidmusic joe is not a great interviewer lmao. It isn’t about disagreeing. It’s about dealing with reality, a series of connected events. Can I get you to say “ANTIFA started the wildfires.” Or how about “COVID isn’t that big of a deal.” You are delusional. Oh yea. I’m making a documentary on the Joe Rogan Experience. YOU YOU YOU YOU GOT SCREENSHOT
I’m so sick of the disrespect towards Bruce lee. I’ve read everything there is to read on Bruce lee. Yes, he was just a man. But he was a freak of nature and yes he could really fight. He was a martial artist first and an actor 2nd. There are countless people who were fighters themselves at the time that said Bruce could fight. Bruce did get into fights. He was sent to America because he got into so many street fights in China. He beat up a mobsters son. He was challenged to fights numerous times while working on movies. These “experts” like chael need to actually read a few things before spouting off about the great Bruce lee
@@Midwinter2 this is as close as it gets. This is real sparring with Dan Inosanto. Who would later become his student. Dan has spoken about this sparring session in interviews. Dan had been trained in karate for many years. It’s not a 100% full blown fight, but it real sparring. Dan was trying to best Bruce, and he couldn’t. There is no footage of Bruce in a real life fight. But he did get into fights. The fight with Wong jack man for example. Attested to by multiple people. Fights on movie sets. Fights on the street. He broke a guys nose with a back fist one time on the streets of Seattle for harassing a Chinese woman. All Bruce lee did was train martial arts. For years and years. To pretend like all that training means nothing is absurd. It would be like training boxing for 20+ years and having people say you can’t fight just because there is no footage of you in a street fight.
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Bruce was a real fighter? based on what the guy never got into tournaments and face a bunch of really good martial artists
@@corygriffiths4394 there basically was no such thing as real fighting tournaments back then. Only point fighting karate tournaments.
Bruce Lee was the size of the average American 6th grade student. I'd break him in half and so would most average size males. Physics is very very real kids.
@@dylanjohnson3345 yes sir.
You can't have the mentality of "train in every art" and somehow not be able to "fight a lick." That doesn't make sense for the time.
Thank you soo much for this comment
Yeah Bruce Lee also beat up people from more than one martial art. He coached a full contact karate guy to the championships. And he won the city boxing tournament when he was still in school. In Long Street you see him use an oblique kick and a guillotine.
@@emilianosintarias7337 for real though, how do you coach Joe Lewis and not be a fighter?
Most military strategists haven't fought in combat. Having good ideas doesnt make you good at carrying them out.
@@joshuacabonce did he actually coach them though? Supposedly steven seagall trained anderson silva and a few other mma fighter because he came to their camps
50 years after his death and people are still talking about this guy 😂 see you in the next 50
hopefully with less exagerations.
They also talk about John Wayne. Doesn't mean he could legit draw a pistol at record time
@@4zafinc well if the physical action is recorded with no cuts then? and if Wayne gave in depth advice on it that was used till this day (bruce did) then? its magic because its on film amirate?
@Jay Porter yep all his teachings that are used in UFC today were all myth
@Jay Porter yeah blah blah. He was believed to be able to do all of this because his teachings were sound. He predicted MODERN UFC/MMA decades before it happened.
Wake up please
My neighbour is a marine , and he was there when bruce got his ass kicked he told that story million times before movie came out no one believed him , he said he was humiliating the stuntman , and they got into a fight and he got his ass kicked big time , people were laughing and cheering. Guys bruce lee never fought once , he just did fancy moves that's it. And people comapre him with muhammad ali and mike tyson , i saw a video other day how Bruce lee would do against GSP , i was shocked what people think an actor against a UFC champ ?
I’ve been saying this since I was a kid. I’m still young, but still. I don’t understand how people think, even for a second, that Bruce Lee would beat a Conor McGregor. I still respect Bruce for the art work he gave us and the mentality he shared, his philosophy. That’s what’s special about Lee, but he wasn’t a fighter.
“Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face”. You have to experience battle to see how you’d really go. We’ve seen GSP. We never witnessed it with Bruce. He was an actor. Plus engagement ps are set pieces in King Fu the like. Start, strike, stop and reset. It’s a rehearsal. Wonder how Bruce would go after Chuck landed something on his chin?
Quentin : Bruce Lee was a jerk but I wasn't there.
Chael : Bruce Lee was a jerk but I wasn't there either.
Me : Fair enough, Bruce wasn't a jerk and I wasn't there either.
@DirtyRfour I don’t know if he’s racist, he’s employed loads of actors who aren’t white, but he defended his colleague who raped a child, so that’s where I think most people should have checked out from the guy
@DirtyRfour You are telling blatant snowflake BS. He didn’t say Bruce was a Jerk, he just said he didn’t treat the stuntmen well. Tarantino’s peers all have good things to say about him. What have you done? We don’t know the bad things you’ve done? Go do something with your life.
@DirtyRfour I was slagging him off g relax, just don’t think ur criticism was apt ygm
Sounds like Chael is jealous of Bruce lee's accomplishments in his short life Bruce Lee is a legend and always will be.
No he’s just stating facts that so many people don’t want to believe Bruce Lee fanatics like yourself are blinded by reality and the reality is a lightweight can’t stand a chance against a heavyweight fighter that’s just common sense that’s why there’s weight classes.
haha watching his armbar against sam hung and standing guillotine against chuck norris you will realize he is a joke , the posture and hand placement are all wrong. bruce lee has no knowledge in proper grappling. he is only a legend in movies. watching bruce lee punch a punching bag you will see he has no proper hip movement and stance and looks very slow. just watch any pacquiao video and see the hand speed difference. Joe rogan has a better kick than any of bruce lee video demonstration , bruce lee kick looks awkward and out of angle because he is in the air when he kick causing him to lose the rebound effect of a kick. that is why no elite mma fighter study jeet kune do it is trash.
Chanel sound bitter
Bruce Lee has no accomplishments in fighting
@@NC-ck5oj , it doesn’t matter. Bruce inspired many people. He is an icon.
When I met Bruce Lee, he had already been a student and martial artist of Gung Fu for about 12 years. They say his highest ambition then was to create a string of martial arts clubs across the U.S. As far as I know, he had never sought out Hollywood; it sought him out, particularly for his skills. A good reference work for those early martial arts years of Bruce Lee is the book, Striking Distance, Bruce Lee and the Dawn of Martial Arts in America, by Charles Russo. Russo quotes Doug Palmer who recounted an incident on a TV show where Bruce was with several masters. One bragged about his internal Chi, and challenged Bruce to hit him in the stomach, saying it was impossible to hurt him. Bruce punched him right on the nose, shocking the guy. Incensed, he "demanded to know what Bruce was doing." Bruce said, "A Gung Fu man must be prepared for the unexpected." This incident shows that Bruce did have a degree of arrogance, and also fearlessness. Prior to the Wong Jack Man fight, Man wanted them to agree to certain rules, but Bruce said there would be no rules. His attitude was, You come over here challenging me to a fight, there aren't going to be any rules.' Later, Man said of the fight, "He wanted to kill me." Bruce Lee was not an empty shell.
As I mentioned in my interview with Paul Bax, Jimmy Lee told me once that in all the times he had sparred with Bruce, he had only touched him once. Later I thought he must have meant "struck a good blow" or something, because surely he had touched him. But years later on the internet I saw a martial artist saying, "Bruce Lee was untouchable," and wondered then if Jimmy had meant exactly what he said.
It seems to me that someone who has the physical skills to be a stuntman in Hollywood probably has his own degree of arrogance and pride, and so we have the hubris of the stuntmen in the mix along with that of Bruce Lee, not just that of Bruce Lee, to consider.
I’m so mad at Chael for saying Bruce Lee wasn’t the best martial artist ever. I mean how can you believe anything that guy says after hearing him say Ultimate Warrior wasn’t actually the ultimate warrior.
But Bruce wasn’t a real fighter just because people tell you he was the greatest fighter ever do you believe everything you hear?
haha watching bruce lee applying armbar against sam hung and standing guillotine against chuck norris you will realize he is a joke , the posture and hand placement are all wrong. bruce lee has no knowledge in proper grappling. he is only a legend in movies. watching bruce lee punch a punching bag you will see he has no proper hip movement and stance and looks very slow. just watch any pacquiao video and see the hand speed difference. Joe rogan has a better kick than any of bruce lee video demonstration , bruce lee kick looks awkward and out of angle because he is in the air when he kick causing him to lose the rebound effect of a kick. that is why no elite mma fighter study jeet kune do it is trash.
@@corygriffiths4394charlie z the best
This is tricky because Joe Lewis, Mike Stone and Chuck Norris all said Lee was the fastest they had encountered. Also pound for pound the strongest. His students who were a mixed bunch really tried to hurt Lee and came unstuck. I think he would have done well in UFC at his weight mainly because of his training ethic and speed.
he wouldnt have fought in the ufc, same way he didnt fight when he was alive
@@NC-ck5oj ok lol
I agree bruce would never fight in mma as he would have to fight a real fighter not a actor , he could not use drugs or steroids , he could not cheat but he could have been a coach as those who cannot do teach
Bruce would have gotten annihilated in the ring. He would have gotten done like ray boom boom Mancini did to that Korean boxer. Bruce is like a Chinese steven seagal, bottom line.
Dominique tatum, why dont you try Bruce Lee, see how many seconds you can last
"That guy couldn't fight a lick."
A true master doesn't fight for glory or to prove his worth. They are confident in themselves and respect the art. A master doesn't go looking for fights, and has no desire to harm others. It is always about defense, control, and serving others. Mindset is just as important as physicality or "toughness".
So that's why so many "masters" got exposed for the frauds that they really are.
Bruce lived through a time when a lot of people didn’t like his kind. Some of those people are still alive today to tell stories about Bruce. Go figure.
Bingo especially hollywood
QUINTIN TERENTINO WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS TO A SIMILAR ECHELON BLK ICON. BELIEVE THAT.
The worst part of that interview Tarantino said multiple times that Bruce Lee did not respect American cinema without a peep from Rogan. Hm? Question? Is it possible that Hollywood had no respect for Bruce and denied him any significant opportunity for years.
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BRUCE LEE WAS BORN IN AMERICA. HE WAS AN AMERICAN WHO COULDN'T GET A JOB IN HOLLYWOOD BECAUSE OF RCISM. NEED TO CANCEL THE HACK THEIVE QUINTIN TERRANTINO.
Everyone loves to play the victim......
This did nothing too diminish the legacy of Bruce Lee he was loved before this video an before the Tarantino film came out an he is loved just as much after all this nonsense
Joe Lewis and Jim Kelly . said he was the best. And im glad many boycotted that nonsense by Tarantino
Too many people have said how good lee was. Lee was no fake or idiotic jerk
Ultimately it comes to "Hollywoods power", its actually kind of scary how easy it is to "manipulate" peoples thinking. I think we all been there, we might do it today too, its not
as easy to work on armbar if someone is actually punching you at the same time.
Bruce Lee was never part of Hollywood. He never actually made it in America. His film success was in Hong Kong.
Bruce was a martial artist as well as being an action actor and that is where the lines get blurred.
The whole idea that Bruce Lee revolutionized the martial arts world by coming up with this insane thought of learning different stuff is as much nonsense as all the other mythical claims around him. People have always looked into different things. For example, quite a few of the early figureheads of Okinawan Karate were also high ranked Judo black belts. Many old time catch wrestlers were also into boxing. Style vs. style spectacles were already popular in the 20s, such as Motobu Choki's fight with a western boxer. And most importantly, Vale Tudo contests were already regularly taking place in Brazil in the 60s, well before Bruce Lee made his first movie. Lee is not the originator of the MMA idea - Vale Tudo for all intents and purposes was already proto-MMA and was traditionally a hotbed of rivalry between BJJ and Luta Livre.
His daughter we as barely 4 years old when Lee died. So 90% of her impression about her dad was from mom and her brother.
Didn't Hollywood crap on Bruce and steal his project, relegate him to a stereo-type in casting, among other things? Lol, he has 1 big Hollywood movie and Kato of all rolls.
No which was Tarantinos whole point this video really doesn’t explain anything about the conversation they had it’s kinda a pointless notification it happened
Quentin Tarantino is trash just like his movies
The fact 30 people liked this nonsense. That’s the point Tarantino makes, it’s a MYTH that Hollywood stole his project, and the screenwriter has proof. Also Hollywood is a location, people would steal the ideas not Hollywood. As Tarantino says, if they really thought he stole the idea why would his son be cast in a show YOU BELIEVE THEY STOLE as the Co STAR. Y’all morons need to learn how to think for yourselves. Tarantino still is a big fan of Bruce Lee , his works pay constant homage to him in the first place ! Quentin is a great director who put in a lot of research to create that portrayal. Bruce Lee even helps Sharon state learn the martial arts in the film , yet people claim that Tarantino hates Bruce. Y’all are just silly fanboys hating on Tarantino. Let Bruce rest, but it doesn’t mean he can’t be caricatured or criticized based on ACTUAl EVENTs.
Calm down, it's a rhetorical question based on actual "facts". The movie's called Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, Shaels referring to Hollywood, we all know what it means to refer to "Hollywood". Bruce had one movie come out in Hollywood after he died in his 30s. Everything about that fight scene goes against what Bruce Lee was, his stance on what works and what doesn't. Now I like the movie, but I also understand that there's nothing factual about it, especially that ending, as much as I'd rather Sharon Tate had survived. Perhaps Brandon was invited back, twice to be in a show with a drunk man who sold cut pieces of water hose as a, fakey tai chi work out tool infomercial, to bury the hatchet. Whatever the case 2 men are dead and can't speak for themselves. Then there's loud mouthed Quentin, who I've heard is quite the asshole, whose had more success in in the mythical movie making business. Nobody's blindly fanboyin out, i guarantee most questioning this are doing so based on years of written accounts, books etc... being contradicted by 1 story heard by a fowl man who makes the occasional good movies and sucks on feet.
@@acetofresh1 It actually was Bruce Lee who pitched the concept / idea for what would become the show Kung Fu. They took the idea, fleshed it out, made their own thing of it and cast an actor they thought would appeal more to an American audience. So no he never actually had a hand in the development of that show, but the original concept was his. People seem to forget Bruce wasn't a star in America until after he died. He was well known in certain circles, but was nothing like the household name he would become after Enter the Dragon released. Hollywood wouldn't cast him or any other Asian actor in a leading role prior to that.
I’m so used to hearing Chael absolutely botch various words and expressions that I did a double take when he said “vice-versa” correctly
He said it wrong you idiot. It's not "vica versa" it's "vice versa". I can't believe you would single that out and still get it wrong.
L.mao then he screws up the name of the movie.... "one night in Hollywood" lmao!!@#%#!@&
He definitely does that shit on purpose and it’s hilarious.
@@dnn86 vica versa is the original latin pronunciation, vice versa is an anglicization
@@dnn86 why are you so upset in a youtube comments section?
Bruce Lee's speed was so fast they had too slow it down. Speed kills we all know that. If Bruce never done what he done the West might of never got into martial arts. So show some respect.
haha watching his armbar against sam hung and standing guillotine against chuck norris you will realize he is a joke , the posture and hand placement are all wrong. bruce lee has no knowledge in proper grappling. he is only a legend in movies. watching bruce lee punch a punching bag you will see he has no proper hip movement and stance and looks very slow. just watch any pacquiao video and see the hand speed difference. Joe rogan has a better kick than any of bruce lee video demonstration , bruce lee kick looks awkward and out of angle because he is in the air when he kick causing him to lose the rebound effect of a kick. that is why no elite mma fighter study jeet kune do it is trash.
That is not as big of a deal as you think it is. Interestingly enough, they asked Wesley Snipes to slow it down while filming Demolition Man and at least one of the Blade movies, because he was too fast for the camera, and those were much better cameras than in the 70s. So, Wesley Snipes is the best ever or at least one of 2 best ever now? As far as speed - without power it is useless.
Lol. You really think Bruce Lee could beat up Mike Tyson? So dumb.
Thank you Chael for spitting truth.
I agree with Chael, Bruce Lee would get folded by any real combat sport athlete
I agree I'm sure he was a great martial artist, but no disrespect there's people these days who can do things Bruce wasn't even aware of, like certain flips kicks also we have media these days so the average person can see so much and what people are capable of now is extremely remarkable. And Bruce Lee never fought properly, never had proper pro boxing matches or pro kick boxing matches, he boxed at college but all the guys he fought were his size, and he wasn't really knocking any of them out. There's footage
This is a mute subject. Why? There are literally many people who are still alive who worked with Bruce, who knew Bruce and actually seen him fight (for real), ask his students, ask Jackie Chan, Chuck Norris, those just big names. Tarantino took joy in destroying the so called myth of Bruce Lee, like he does to a lot of things, simply because folks looked up to him.
Who saw Bruce fight for real ?? If he won, what did the alleged loser have to say about it ??
Bruce Lee’s grappling skills > Chael's spinning backfist game 🤣
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Only 12 year olds or delusional people still believe in the Bruce Lee mystique
If Bruce was in his prime, alive today, and had all of the technological advantages and access to modern training techniques,
He'd easily clear out his weight class. (135 lb)
I'd stake my life on it.
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I try to explain this to people sometimes…. Chuck Norris had an interview where the guy asked him who would win in a. Fight w him and Bruce Lee. Chuck showered praise upon Bruce and finished by saying-“C’mon- I’m the world champ, he’s a movie star”. All respect to Bruce for his mindset and theory, but I can’t find a single clip of him in a real fight. Obviously he was incredibly fast and talented, included grappling and boxing with his karate, has anybody ever seen him in a fight? Might have been the greatest ever, but was untested. Bruce fans please don’t hate. Much respect to the guy, but he WAS an actor.
Gene Lebell said the same thing Bruce wouldn't stand a chance against Chuck Norris. That isn't even a slight against Bruce whose fighting weight was about 30 pounds less than Chuck.
@@Paul-vf2wl Yeah but even Chuck Norris wasn't a full contact fighter. He did those point fighting karate tournaments in the '60s. Joe Lewis was a point fighting champ and he realized it wasn't real so he started having full contact kickboxing fights.
World Champ of what? Lol. Have you ever seen some of Chuck Norris and Joe Lewis' karate tournament videos? Its an utter joke.
@@parmanduke I just mean they won those contests, but yeah they weren't really fighting. It was more like foot fencing.
fair points all. except he wasn't JUST an actor:
1. from old footages, it's obvious Lee had great speed and strength. Joe Lewis, ex-full contact heavyweight kickboxing champ, said in an interview that Lee hit like a heavyweight when they sparred
2. Lee became a fitness freak after a debatable fight with Wong Jack Man. anyone who knows fighting knows that if you have great fitness along with explosive speed, you will always be a threat, with or without pro fighting experience.
not saying he could whoop MMA fighters today, just saying he had legit fighting ability. that guy lived and breathed martial arts and films were just a way to spread that passion. each of his movies incorporated different parts of his philosophy. its true his myth has gotten out of hand, but i think the truth is more complicated and lies somewhere between "he's just an actor" and "he'd kill MMA fighters in the streets".
I wonder why people like Joe Lewis, Jim Kelly and many other karate fighters all said Bruce Lee could fight and was the real deal. Jim Kelly said he saw Bruce spar many Karate champions and absolutely demolish them. Im pretty sure he was the real deal.
What was Bruce Lee's fight record?
@@customerservice9602 Well he did have a boxing bout in China and won, so he was 1-0. A filthy casual like you who only started watching MMA in the last 5-6 years wouldn't have known that.
@@Midwinter2 Why do you have to assume everyone is doing something for their personal gain? Talk about creating a false premise. Jim Kelly used to spar Bruce like many other Karate champions who went under his tutelage, Joe Lewis being the most established one. Jim saw Bruce batter a lot of champions and didn't mention names out of respect, but judging from what he said it was very likely he was referring to Chuck Norris.
There are countless stories of Bruce Lee engaging in street fights and winning, you just have to do your research. One notable occasion was on the Enter the Dragon set. Pictures of the fight are available as well as many eye witness testimonies. Bruce beat the dude up in an instant. So for you to make such a mendacious claim like that only reinforces your ignorance. Bruce also had a boxing bout in China. So he was 1-0. Bet you didn't know that you casual. 😂😂😂
@Dnomyar Akunawik You filthy casual he had many street fights with trained fighters.
My friend's dad is retired navy seal. Badass dude. Black belts in everything. According to him, never met a man he couldn't beat in a fight. Except for Bruce Lee. Said he saw him at an exhibition and with how fast he could move and the feats of strength he displayed, he would never want to fight Bruce Lee.
"Couldn't fight a lick"
That's going way too far. There were legit fighters at the time who would disagree.
But also legit fighters who would agree. Joe Lewis for example literally said "Bruce wasn't a fighter. He was an actor and a teacher"
Joe Lewis also said Bruce hit like a heavy weight in sparring. Jim Kelly was a karate Champion, look up What he has to say.
Who in the hell would want to train with anybody that couldn't fight.
@@humann5682 Lewis said in video interview that Lee punched him in the face several times in sparring. Fact. He said, " I know what real Jeet Kune Do was like because I got popped in the face with it a few times."
@@RODRICO1 like I said, Joe Lewis said Bruce Lee was a teacher. He trained with him because he could learn things. He just said in his opinion, Lee wasn't a fighter.
He basically describes Lee as like a Greg Jackson type: someone who was a good mentor but not actually someone who was a fighter.
And also "Who the hell would want to train with anybody that couldn't fight".... You obviously never seen Steven Seagal "working" with UFC fighters lol.
@@humann5682 Joe Lewis was stating a fact, that Bruce Lee wasn't a professional fighter. That is not the same as saying he can't fight. I have no doubt that had Bruce Lee wanted to be a pro fighter instead of an actor he would have been very successful.
I respectfully disagree, there is no proof he treated Stuntmen in that fashion at all and it was such an issue like Mr Tarantino said he would have been replaced, especially in the 60s when racism was rampant, they would have thrown him out without a second look.
The only time we hear about a Stuntman being "abused" by Bruce was when a Chinese Stuntman challenged Bruce and was schooled. But we have seen an interview with a Stuntman who was "tagged" as Mr Tarantino says, Mr Lee was very repentant and sorry as soon as the director said Cut he checked on him. That man is Jackie Chan.
The cast of Green Hornet also never brought up any abuse from Mr Lee towards anyone, the only universal complaint was about him moving too "fast" for the stuntmen to react, which is why Judo Gene Lebell was brought in to slow him down.
I've also found no interview thus far with Mr Lebell where he states anything to the contrary.
Very good point. Mr Tarantino is jealous of Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee is grater than him and will always be greater than him.
So where does Chuck Norris fit in all this
Heard of Jesus? His father is Chuck Norris.
I'm guessing by your surname you're from Romania
Fits right inside of Bruce Lee’s guillotine
The author of the book QT was referencing about the stuntman situation and all that came out and corrected him and said QT’s take on it was false and it didn’t happen how he described.
Source?
Chuck Norris walks into a feminist rally
Leaves with his shirt ironed and a sandwich
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Chael Sonnen also said in an interview that Chuck Norris isn´t a fighter because he only fought on points. He said that Norris was a joke as a fighter because he really didn´t fight.
Chael and Tarantino are totally right here
Bruce was on screen legend who knew how to fight, and his philosophies are proven to this day, however never tested his skills in the professional ring. I believe his passion was to be a movie star and he used his martial arts skills to open up a new genre to the western screens. My 2 pence or cents depending which side of the pond you're from.
Chael watching the porn version called One Night in Hollywood. 🤣
Chael your a wrestler bruce is a striker every great striker in ufc has given bruce his flowers except you a wrestler
they have all seen bruce fight then yes?
@@YearsOVDecay1 Show me on the diagram where Bruce touched you little buddy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Says the guy that tested positive for steroids fighting one of the GOAT UFC 🐐fighters, Anderson Silva.
Just saying 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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He’s actually one of the biggest pieces of shit to ever step foot in the octagon, guy lied in a court of law to avoid punishment and allowed a whole generation of dopers to legally do it with TRT
kind of odd to me that Chael said that both Fedor and Khabib don't actually use Sambo in MMA. but then it occured to me that even Sambo is pretty much an amalgamation of Judo throws with kickboxing. it just has specific rule sets that set it apart from a judo match
Joe Lewis a heavy weight champion in karate quit karate and started training with Bruce Lee. Not only average Joe’s was fond of Bruce also real martial artists. Bruce is a legend and did a lot for the people of Asia. Bruce was a great guy. Gene lebell loved Bruce and trained with Bruce. Show some respect to Bruce and his craft. He’s more than earned it.
Gene Lebell has also said there's no way in hell Bruce could beat Chuck Norris in a fight. Its only disrespectful if you worship the myth of Bruce Lee rather than the real man.
@@Paul-vf2wl Gene Lebell was a fat, slow out of shape old man that only rolled around on the ground with guys smaller than him. The average joe on the street who watches kick flicks would smoke him.
Hey Chael! I've enjoyed watching your fights. I'll admit I idealize Bruce Lee, but I'm trying to get to the bottom of this controversy so I can have a more educated understanding, and so I'm all ears to professional opinions like yours.
In an interview with Joe Lewis he said that he trained with Bruce Lee and that, "It actually, in a great way, improved my fighting style."
There's an interview with Mohammed Ali where he praises Bruce Lee as he talks about how he either trained with Bruce Lee or studied his work, and how it help him be a better fighter as well.
So I think it's a bit dismissive to flat out say that Bruce Lee was a jerk. I think he probably was a bit cocky from time to time, but that he took joy in learning from others and teaching as well in a very meaningful way. Is that fair?
Chael: *gets the name of the movie wrong and claims Bruce Lee lost in the film even though the fight was interrupted*
Me: Okay, great.
He did tho
Quick note from a lifetime Bruce Lee fan: Bruce´s philosophy - which I happen to enjoy just as much as the movies and the whole mystique around the guy - are heavily inspired (some would say 'taken') by the writings of Krishnamurti. Bruce would adapt them to the world of martial arts. You can basically do that with just about anything. I.E, I'm an investor. I could say that ''the good investor is like the water, he flows with the market and keeps on moving forward''. That´s what Bruce did.
Bruce began the training of Asian martial arts to Americans, wich he got alot of heat from doing from Asian martial artist. So people saying he thought Americans were beneath him is contradictory to the fact that he believed that everyone should be able to learn and train.
Quentin didn’t say Americans he said stuntman, and sourced it from a book so it’s just different ppl claiming different things.
@@nfvoodz8828 He said western stuntmen. But my point is, one should not speak ill of someone incapable of defending themselves. Specially not such an cultural icon as Bruce.
Tarantino has balls and I respect him for that. I respect the hell out of Bruce Lee, and maybe Bruce was a jerk at times. No man is invincible. Still love Bruce Lee.
Perfect the way it should be, it’s a Tarantino movie also where we’ve known him to make whatever movie he wants
@@cremefraiche9095 The film is one thing, but people can call him out for acting like he knows who Lee was. And the Army character he talks like he was a real guy.
@@teleguy5699 to each his own, obviously at the end of the day it’s just a fairytale. But how can South Park or other comedians poke fun at real people without consequence? I for one do not want Tarantino to hold back, if he thinks it should be in the movie, I do too, I’ll interpret it on my own. I also don’t think the scene was meant to focus on the cartoonish Bruce lee, but rather just how lethal Pitt’s character was in the movie
@@robertdunning5121 defamation? Bc he lost a fight in a fictional movie? That seems a bit extreme no?
@@robertdunning5121 on what grounds could Tarantino be sued?
Sonnen doesn't have a clue regarding Lee on the set. History by all the people who were there tells a far different story. Most people really liked Bruce and Bruce was always very professional and classy. A couple crew members behind the scenes indeed didn't like hearing Lee constantly talking about martial arts and philosophy and we're heard mumbling, " He's a loudmouth. He a bullshitter." But those couple guys were just that, a couple guys. There were probably 60 people on those Green Hornet sets. Almost everyone liked Bruce Lee. He was nice, funny, friendly and charismatic, interesting, fun and just a very cool person. Further, contrary to Tarantino's nonsense talk about what happened on the set...and Sonnen agreeing with him, no military guy, stuntman, actor nor anyone, had a fistfight, brawl, challenge fight...with Lee on set. Judo Gene LeBell, a wrestler who loved Bruce, ONCE onset, when Bruce was talking to someone about martial arts and philosophy, suddenly grabbed Bruce from behind and choked him around the neck playfully, then picked him up and started running around the set carrying Lee as a joke. Lee yelled, " OK! OK!!! put me down." Le Bell kept running around and Lee was like, " Alright! Put me down or I'll kill you Gene! ( Bruce joking of course ). LeBell goofing, kept running, carrying him across his shoulder and said, " I can't put you down cause you'll kill me! ". Everybody was laughing and he of course put Bruce down and Bruce thought it was funny too...and probably shook his fist at Gene in a non serious ( " You silly son of a bitch ! " ) type way. And that was it. Lee never had a fight on The Green Hornet set. Sonnen then said Lee was no fighter, couldn't fight a lick. He claims Lee, like some other Hollywood type film action star actors, just sparred around and did martial arts, teaching etc...with a few average losers in his back yard or at his school. Wrong. Lee also sparred with and got the best of undefeated Karate and kickboxing champion Joe Lewis ( a much bigger man than Lee by the way ) which Lewis admitted, noting Lee punched him right in the face a few times. Lee bested Karate champion Chuck Norris in a spar where two witnesses, one an LA off duty cop, noted Lee, by the end of the " friendly " match, left Norris, " red-faced ". Lee in a spar broke Army boxing champion Dan Lee's jaw. The list goes on and on. Lee had tons of street fights in Hong Kong and a handful or maybe a dozen in the USA and never lost. Sonnen should realize Lee won the Interschool Boxing Championships of all the high schools in Hong Kong in 1958. And his final fight was with a much larger, taller, British opponent who was champion the previous year, Gary Elms. So Lee had been a real fighter, even competitive fighter, since he was a teenager. Sonnen quite obviously doesn't do any actual thorough research and is doing exactly what he accuses Lee or whomever else of doing..... bullshitting. Sad he has a platform where great numbers of people will unfortunately blindly believe his and/or Tarantino's false narratives about Bruce Lee.
No ones reading all that.
I read all of that…Thanks. Chaels’ intelligence is a myth. I still like him though. He’s funny. You look at Bruce Lee’s achievements however, and you have to say…Chael who?
Well said
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@@smashdogg1241 😂😂😂
Can’t fake his chuck skills. Bruce Lee would be a legend in his weight class if he was around now. Bruce was hated by a lot of Americans especially around that time frame so I can see why he might of did what he did
People loved Bruce Lee back then.
Have a good night Chael thanks for the content
Jim Kelly said Bruce Lee won fights with some of these famous fighters and he could vouch for Bruce Lee's skill set. RIP 🙏🏽Jim and Bruce. Not only Jim but Bruce Lee's famous students seen him fight. Deceased don't rest in the hearts of men.
@Dnomyar Akunawik Jim Kelly is legit feller. Bruce Lee Style jeet kune do jkd is also used by the military Richard Bustillo legitimate enough