And you don`t think it was hard for Bruce Lee to get into movies and become successful in Hollywood as a minority in the 1960s? I don`t swear that much but a better question would be what the fuck do YOU mean Bruce Lee was in movies and saying fuck you mean after that? The implication you seem to be making is that because he was a star in movies it wasn`t hard for him to get there is absurd. Bruce Lee had to work hard to get where he was, like Shannon Lee said, twice as hard as guys like Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio had to.
this guy, and then there's that black guy. lol, I like Joe, and his views still except for his Greta Thunberg take, she's 15 and deserves the praise she's getting. but these other guys are just dumb schmucks...sorry schuab , shmuck*
@@summit6077 Every thousand years the earth heats and cools, the viking age is literally a thousand years ago and was all about that period surviving a Mini Ice Age.
Except he never competed at any level. Every story about him is made up. He spent his entire life in front of a camera yet never managed to record any of these 'marvelous' feats of athleticism. Bruce Lee fanboys are the worst. MMA has destroyed asian martial arts. They are kaput. American Wrestling is the most dominant martial art on the planet and there is NOTHING you can do about it.
@Badass Batman he wouldn't have. He was good, but he wasn't the best. He even said a good boxer or wrestler would beat a martial artist, himself included.
I caught that too. I don't usually have long conversations with these kinds of ppl. What's crazy is that he contradicts himself within a couple of mins, within the same conversation.
I’ve just watched the QT interview and they talk a lot about Bruce Lee & you’re right Joe didn’t say any of this to QT… Tarantino didn’t go to town on Lee but he definitely did on his wife Wow!!! Check it out and not the 5min clip on TH-cam
The problem I had with the movie is that it portrayed Bruce as cocky, arrogant and or goofy, like an inflated character of himself. He was the intellectual philosopher type of a person, I remember watching the Green Hornet on TV before his death. As far as his toughness and fighting abilities, at that time he could take on guys 50-100 lbs heavier than himself, maybe more and would have beat them. Compared to today's level of MMA he would still be amazing, maybe only able to give up 30-50 lbs. Bruce was confident in his abilities, but also very realistic how they compared to others. When asked who would win him or Muhammed Ali, he immediately said; Ali have you seen the size of his fists!? Lee 5-7 135 lbs to Ali 6-3 230 both at the top of their style of fighting. Other Martial Art pros of the day; Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, Jim Kelly, Danny Inosanto and many more have all confirmed that Bruce was at a higher level than others, he hit like a heavy weight not a 135 lb guy. He was the first to combine nutrition, athletic training and a variety of martial arts that led to today's MMA. Although not a God or Superhero, he was unique, he was special, he was the first to achieve a much higher level of fitness and ability. As Mr Han said; you're skills are extraordinary and then Bruce killed that guy...
@@thegageinator805 Yeah and the reason's simple, the manson murderers are "murderers" and Bruce Lee wasa pretty respected guy considered a legend by many...
@@thegageinator805 So what ? One can't show Hitler in a good light just for the sake of fantasy/fiction right !? Cuz believe it or not, even fictions are designed make a certain point about real world. That's why they portrayed Manson murderers to be defeated - the point was to correct a historical wrong. Similarly, there was no point in portraying Bruce Lee (a real life celebrity) in an idiotic light, other than mocking him. Cuz if they wanted a funny character they could have just used a fictional one. That's why people got pissed...
@@massive_d Y'all act like Schaub isnt literally three times his size and a professional fighter. Schaub would destroy Bruce Lee. All he has to do is get ahold of him at its over
@@iLLWiLLTheMiCK I see your point but Bruce Lee isn't hitler. He's a national treasure and an icon that many people respect and look up to, he inspires people 40 years after his death. To disrespect him even in jest is just plain shameful. I love Tarantino haven't seen a movie of his I haven't thoroughly enjoyed but he's wrong here.
Joe Rogan is being almost as idiotic as yellow shirt man. He claims to think gene lebel would be too much for Lee in another vid.? Joe likes downplaying Lee and we know downplaying is akin to hating.
Bruce Lee was a dedicated Master of the arts before the movies and he was a man who learned and taught all the time. The only ones that have any thing bad to say about him didn't know him. The strength for his size was tested many times and he always won.
The whole fucking point in the movie was to show how strong Brad Pitts character is, to show how he is trained in fighting and killing to the same levels and further. Which is important at the end of the movie, it’s a fucking foreshadow.
Brenda Brenda exactly, but QT still made Bruce Lee out to be an empty headed buffoon. He is an icon for very many people. Making him a buffoon actually downplays Pitt’s character, because he beats this entitled phony version of Bruce Lee instead of the legend.
"Honorable" would have been having that conversation with Quentin Tarantino when he was on the podcast, and talking about it, instead of just going "Hmmmm"
@Dave Stephenson Both Norris and Lee were pussies. They sold out to make money making TV shows and Movies. The real Martial Arts Masters are living in some cave in the mountains.
To be fair since Bruce's death, Chuck has started to claim he would have beaten Bruce in a fight. Something he never dared say when Lee was alive. Chucks ego would get in the way of his honesty.
@@kingtrawal lmao shut up fuckwit. Just because you're easily manipulated by fiction. Keep on thinking mate, the fact is if Bruce was that good he would have accolades to show for it. Chuck Norris did, jcvd did, what's Bruce Lee's excuse? "Martial arts is for self defence* well then, by that statement alone he admits that he isn't a fighter.
@@natem1982 who trained chuck noris for his tournament it was Bruce Lee if he wasn't a fighter than would chuck ask for advice Bruce knew how to fight and any person that fights and see how he moves knows this he didn't fight for living professionally but he knew how to scrap for sure
@Michael Mabus Why are you people being so sensitive? ITS COMEDY. Since when are people off-limits from comedy? Joe talks so much about bloggers and columnists being offended at stand-up comics, but now he cant take a joke because he has Bruce Lee's cock down his throat? That is hypocritical and pathetic. Also, The Boondocks already made fun of MLK in an episode Btw
Let's get REAL. Bruce punched WAAY above his weight. Getting smoked like that in the movie? NAAH. I have a BIT of martial arts experience--you CAN'T take what we saw as having ANY basis in ANY reality we know about. Bruce was like LIGHTNING. Ask Jim Kelly. John Saxon. Jackie Chan. Witnesses. Nothing we saw or heard anywhere would inform what we saw. Ask the HK martial arts guys--this was a deadly individual.
Yea but my understanding is that Bruce Lee even said that he wouldn't do flying kicks in a real fight. He does it in his movies for entertainment value but he knows it's not practical in a real streetfight.
Bruce Lee said in an interview he hates the word "super star" when he was called that, followed by his famous speech about water. He was a humble, philosophical guy. Also don't forget he was the driving force of bringing martial arts to the west and is the father of MMA.
@@pizrux6592 He was, he was the first to acknowledge that no single martial art was enough and was learning from all other forms. He learnt grappling form Gene lebell. He was even learning from fencing. He embraced every martial art and learnt from them all. Then tried to create his own variation.
And now we cant make fun of him because...why? When did Joe and his legion start advocating for comedy censorship? ITS COMEDY FOR GODS SAKE. Wtf is going? Im so confused, why would Joe suddenly start being so hypocritical? He hates when columnists and bloggers get offended at stand-up, but he cant take a Bruce Lee joke? When did Brendan become the logical one? I feel like Im in an alternate timeline.
@@gilgamesh5796 Want to know why? Because Joe is passionate about MMA, and when you're talking about one of the most influential figures in MMA, he's probably got a huge soft spot for Bruce Lee. I imagine it would be the same as having a depiction of a Rickson Gracie in the movie, who can't actually do a proper choke hold, and acts like a punk. All evidence points to Bruce Lee being a respectful philosopher and skilled martial artist, so of course Joe is sour about it. Especially since Bruce Lees family has tried so hard to keep Bruce's legacy positive and alive.
The philosophy of jeet kune do is "having no way as way" .. which acknowledged the electic nature of martial arts ..thereby taking thr strengths from each style to form a successful combination of it. . Hence -mixed martial arts
If you watch interviews of actors/martial artists talking about Bruce Lee, they talk about sparring or fighting with him. Some of them don't really admit getting beat, some of them admit getting beat and explain how strong he really is. I honestly believe that Bruce was fr a badass and can really kick ass because at some point in his life, he got into a little trouble which did make him a street fighter as well. I may be wrong but as far as what I've seen from interviews, docs, and movies, it shows who Bruce Lee really is and of course movies that's accurate about his life. Also remember as well that he is one of the creators of MMA. Not here to make arguments with anybody because some of you are hot heads lol, just stating my opinion and showing my respects to a Legend who deserves more credit.
@@nodruj8681 Gosh u may be blind but tons of eyewitnesses who gave their testimony to his fighting abilities said he was good. Are you calling Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Mike Stone and Pat Burleson liars? Who are you to call them liars?
@@nodruj8681 @Cold Servo Pie people like you want him to have been just an actor. Not that he wasn't a fighter but that you want to feel like he was just an actor. He fought plenty of times as a street fighter. He fought plenty of times off set with actors who didn't think he could fight and spared a ton on his own time. Little boys like you ignore this tho because you want to feel like you're smart.
He created an entire way of martial Arts. Bruce couldn't be beat. No one beat him. He was great no question. Tarintions movies. All made Bruce Lee great this one made hom a tool.
That would've been a good excuse, except Tarantino has defended his portrayal of Bruce Lee and has never said anything about it being warped in Brad Pitt's head. Based on his own words, Tarantino believed Bruce was a cocky guy who had a big mouth, and that's obviously how he chose to portray him. So Tarantino thought he was being accurate. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to have done very thorough research and probably just wrote the scene recklessly. Given that every other real-life character is treated with realism (even manson and his cult followers aren't parodied, just what happens to them), this is pretty disappointing.
I remember reading some of Bruce Lee's books on street fighting... the guy had in-depth explanations and little sketches on eye gouges and groin strikes, and just about anything that could work to end a fight as quickly as possible. No flashy jump kicks, that stuff was for cinema. I think Lee knew how to fight, not just via martial arts, but how to scrap, from experience. Not saying he was unbeatable, but to say he couldn't fight is pretty ignorant.
Yeah, but the movie doesn't betray him as a bad fighter. But he isn't as good as people say. And when going up against an experienced fighter or a military veteran he would have a hard time keeping up
Branden’s “it’s a movie” argument is fucking weird. He has such a stupid defense for such a bold take lol the fact it ends with “you’re thinking about it too much” proves he just didn’t think about it enough 😂
Nineteen 85 the reason Tarantino used Bruce in that way is to make the ending make sense, because it makes no sense for a regular person to be able to fight off a home invasion in that way, but a guy who beat BRUCE LEE, that’s a different story, Bruce Lee is still a badass but they needed to show cliff as a badass as well in order to tie it all together at the end.
NoobMaster69 problem is, take inglorious bastards for example. hitler's in the film but it's one of those blink and you'll miss him type of things, not a ton of time focused on him. if he made bruce look like a buffoon and he's a real person that's messed up. always put yourself in the situation. imagine you had a friend that passed on that was real intelligent then someone makes a film depicting them and makes them look like a clown in it, you'd be offended and hurt.
Chuck is on record as saying BRUCE was very egotistical.When Lee cut himself in a scene trying to disarm Noris of a glass bottle he couldn't get over it and the film crew heard him say very dishonorable things about getting revenge on Chucky.Norris claims he didn't wear body armor under his clothing so BRUCE could take out his anger for real in the following scenes,fracturing Nor is ribs.I know this story should make YA wonder why a director would allow real glass on their set ? Its all Hollywood and "Once upon a time".Fact is Chuck Norris version is known.Lee was great but he was also an actor.They create illusions,it's their job,and of course the scene in OUATIH is Pitts characters version of events.Its all high fantasy and Bruce Lee may have liked the scene had he lived to see it !
@@jamesburnsfisher3304 Educate yourself. That anecdote you're wrecking was not Chuck Norris but Bob Wall -- it was the scene in Enter the Dragon where a beaten Oharra grabs a couple bottles and breaks them. In Hong Kong at that time spun sugar glass was not readily available so they used real bottles. The choreography was a little off so Lee jammed his hand into the bottle and was cut. Maybe it pissed him off, maybe he put a little extra into that sidekick he blasted into Oharra in the same scene. But Wall must have gotten over it because he always spoke highly of Lee in interviews...
@@chaburchak It think, thanks to your corrections,I am more educated(I think?).Did some research that confirmed what YA said but so much is ONCE UPON A TIME I can't quite separate the fantasy and fact from the legend.Oviously there is different story's told through the years such as CHUCKYS version I am sure I read many years ago ,it's hard to not be misinformed.Also WALL like his co-stars tells of slapping people in the head,like somebody in the production cast,for getting the "facts" wrong.What does that tell YA about themselves ! Big,tough,strong men,with EGO's of glass !!
“Was Bruce Lee actually badass?” Well if you fckng check the information, you’ll see that most of the world champions and great fighters of that era, participated in his training classes to see and learn his techniques.
Fadbamse Oh? Ok, so I guess that him being the first person to do MMA doesn’t matter. I guess that him teaching many big name martial artists and improving their skills doesn’t mean jackshit. I guess that creating a whole ass fighting system which is pretty much the first MMA doesn’t mean anything. Dude, Lee was a street fighter. It’s a very well known fact. People don’t hold records on street fights. And you don’t need a professional record to be considered a fighter.
Fadbamse How does it not matter? He literally brought MMA to life. Without him, martial arts would not be where it is today. His knowledge of martial arts, and this is said by many professional fighters, was years ahead of his time. What you are is a blind UFC fanboy who doesn’t know jackshit about martial arts. Literally every professional fighter today, and those who knew him back then (Gene LeBell, Chuck Norris, Bob Wall, Jim Kelly, Joe Lewis the kickboxer) give their utmost respect to Lee. Yet for some reason, a UFC fanboy thinks differently. Huh. I’d rather take the word of those who knew him then listen to a pointless argument from a hater who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Like I said: people don’t hold records on streetfights. Lee was a streetfighter. It’s the whole reason he began martial arts in the first place. It was literally impossible to be a rich kid in Hong Kong without running into trouble on the street. When he started martial arts, he was taught Wing Tsun by Yip Man. Lee would then take place in more streetfights from the Wing Tsun Clan against the Choi Li Fut Clan, a famous rivalry between to martial art groups, as far as I know. Your argument is invalid. Bye fanboy.
Fadbamse Ok then, blind fanboy. Whatever you want to tell yourself. If you wanna go against the word of those who knew him and saw him in action and those who studied him, be my guest. Just don’t think that whatever you say is the truth.
Fadbamse Clearly, you’re no fan of reading. 🙄 Would you rather me take the word of those who didn’t know him? People who haven’t seen Bruce with their own eyes? And you act like I’m devoid of logic.
There are a number of pro ring fighters in the past who swore by Lee. Chuck Norris was one, Joe Lewis another, and Lewis "Skipper" Mullins, yet another just to name a few. Almost every significant fighter he featured in his movies was a champion, master or grandmaster in his/her own right and those were the ones he usually ended up squaring off with at the movie's end. Don't know why Tarrantino portrayed Lee the way he did. Honestly, I was a die hard Lee fan as a teen and drank the kool-aid of his invincibility. But his methods really did have substance as some of the fighters mentioned above were influenced by his methods and were successful. No, he could not have beat any and everyone but nor could fighters who were undefeated (Benny Urquidez, Bill Wallace, boxers Marciano and Mayweather) Anyone can be one punch away from being KO'd.
Brendan : Bruce Lee wasn’t a badass. Joe : Yes, he was. Brendan : I think so too. Brendan : Rolls Royce isn’t the best car. Joe : It’s the best. Brendan : I think so too. Brendan : Dave Chapelle isn’t the best comedian of all time. Joe : Oh Yes he is. Brendan : I think so too.
Chris lol going through life knowing you can’t prevent the melting pot that America has become from becoming even more diverse must be a tough thought for you man. chin up, most of the people you idolize, have no issue with the “animals” that haunt your dreams. you’re a relic, go back to 4chan
mc finn bellend? a brit telling me i may get murdered by some pathetic depraved freak over a YT comment. if it happens, it happens. no YT comment is making a difference
@@94fleetwood94 just because he didn't have a competition record doesn't mean he wasn't tough. If he wasn't legit then at least half all those legit fighters around him would have exposed him. It is also impossible for him to have such deep philosophies on martial arts if he didn't fully understand them and that includes in practical application. It's like a poor man who's never been rich giving lectures to rich dudes about money and they all marvel at his genius in finances, or an average joe that's just a fighting fan tell battle-tested soldiers about the perils of war and the ways of war and it's perils to such a degree that they conclude he's got to be one of the greatest "soldiers" ever and worthy to be seated among generals. That's just not real life. We could argue some actors not being fighters even if they star in action movies but not Bruce Lee. It would be like doubting someone like Tony Jaa simply because he's an actor and has no professional record. Bruce just got into a different career path. I could be among the fastest men on earth but if I do another thing besides competition running doesn't mean I'm not a good runner.
@@darrylokech292 Exactly, *"could* be among the fastest". Same as Bruce Lee could be a great fighter, but he's just an actor. I like Bruce, but some people actually believed he was a legit professional fighter until they researched him and found no accolades. Just as professional as Jackie Chan. I love Jackie Chan!
Beyond insightful. He based the water philosophy from Lao Tzu who in my eyes was someone who had knowledge that could save America if it was introduced as a "Bible" for school today.
its not even about the fighting at all its the racist ass stereotypes the dumb over the top sounds the purposely bad accent the fake personalty they gave to bruce lee in this movie
You should see Lee's stepping sidekick to a heavy bag. He kicked it so hard the bag almost hit the ceiling. Sure, it's not a 'flying kick' per se but, like Masvidal's flying knee, all it took to reach sprint speed was two steps. So, it was a flying kick of sorts, just not like in the movies. Right foot connected as the left foot hit the ground.
They're friends but he's basically a chad. You could hear him basically trying to feel joe out when he was about to diss bruce lee because he didn't want to upset joe. He basically is that type of person who tries to appeal to people and agrees with everyone.
@@charcharr Talking out of both sides of his mouth. It's so tough and honestly annoying to have convos with people like that. You can't have any meaningful or important conversations with people like that....or hell, even "fun" conversations with them.
I mean he had a point when he kept telling Rogan its a movie plenty of things didn’t really happen. And when he says everyone is a dummy in that movie. I get what you are saying but SOMETIMES he had a point.
Bruce Lee WAS a 'badass'--and many actual competing martial artists from that time period have attested to that fact. Tarantino's depiction of him is just that idiot director's own ignorance on full display.
@R.C.B. i dunno why you think that is relevant... are you one of those idiots who try to compensate their stupidity with force? solely based on this conversation, you can tell that the guy is a clueless idiot, no matter how good he is at fighting. end of story. that ofc doesn't mean he's in any way inferior to anyone, but he's not the type of person that is worth listening to. and it's really sad that none of his close friends/family members told him that he shouldn't do these, cause he's just embarrassing himself with almost every sentence.
R.C.B. He could probably kick your ass as well? I don’t see your point, didn’t say anything about the guys skill as a fighter, only that he seems to be a bit dumb.
Chuck Norris on Bruce Lee: The truth is Lee was a formidable opponent with a chiseled physique and technique. I totally enjoyed sparring and just spending time with him. He was as charismatic and friendly in the ring and at home as he was on film. His confidence and wit were dazzling, and sometimes even debilitating to others. […] Lee was lightning fast, very agile and incredibly strong for his size.
Bruce Lee was definitely not someone from my time but I have an uncle who I believe is now on his 60s that was highly influenced by him. I got to see my uncle be very passionate about teaching self-defense to his children including myself when I was only 5 or 6. Then a couple years later, I went to go live for a while in Guanajuato Mexico at my grandparents ranch. My grandparents had an old storage space with many old interesting things from those vintage disc players, large collection of folk music discs, magazines, etc. Anyhow, being the kid I was, I just kept looking around and I found two interesting items: an old book of one of Bruce Lee's fighting methods and some nunchucks made of solid wood with a metal chain attached. As I saw these items, I was an awe and right away my uncle came to mind. I brought it up to my grandparents and my mom, and they indeed confirmed with me that it was my uncle's stuff. Afterwards, they detailed some stories of my uncle beating up grown men who tried to even attack him with knifes. In fact, it turned out my uncle was known in his ranch to be the toughest man in the ranch among the majority of men in his community. My mom apparently got to even see him in action when having to stand up against guys who tried to get out of hand with him or his family members. Since he grew up in a ranch, I had assumed and still assume that all his Bruce Lee stuff material or learnings must have been brought up from Mexico City. Since I was told that him and my grandpa would go there often for work and stay for some long periods of time.
Bruce sparred with Joe Lewis, Joe Lewis said Bruce hit with the power of a heavyweight.. Folks always forget that statement came from the full contact kick boxing world champ..
That’s all you Bruce Lee nutthuggers have, anecdotal information and urban legends. There’s zero evidence to support any of that Bro. He was an actor/stuntman, get over it.
@ShoneDaddy imean too be honest witchu man even Bruce's Family who grew up with the man, there father thought that was some Bullshit soo imean the evidence should be right there broo look at all the interviews & footage of him going in on dudes & him with Jackie Chan (Who was part of his Stunt team) taking about the dude i suggest you really dig & do your research brotha cuz what i saw in that movie was totally disrespectful too the dude joke or not man....imean take your favorite Idol replace it you would be mad as hell too come on man....Not hating on your love for the movie but you gotta put yourself in other peoples perspective aswell dawg 💯💯💯
@@ShoneDaddy th-cam.com/video/6iAqnOeB6M4/w-d-xo.html heres real sparring footage of bruce lee, watch it and tell me "thats not real"..... oh and also most MMA fighters say he woulda killed in the octagon (connor mcgregor is one of them)
@@ShoneDaddy we have to remember that there was no youtube, no UFC, no internet etc ,.....i mean, you're right. a lot of it is folk legend it seems. however his impact in the field of MMA (some say he invented MMA which I agree with) and his influence is second to none in modern times. Joe Lewis himself is a legend and what he says carries a lot of credibility. Also there's plenty of evidence that the greatest Muhammed Ali had the upmost respect for Bruce in regards to his abilities. He was much more than your regualar actor/stuntman. He was a great mind and a innovator.
Bruce lee has no fight record bc there was no mma type of competition during his time bc it was him that basically started the idea of mixed martial art.
Victor Zehan there were, but not MIXED martial arts. mixed martial art was a philosophy that Bruce lee introduced, he believed that fighting would be a lot more advanced if you use the best technique of different type of martial art to create a new one. (Hence why it is now called mixed martial arts)
@@grimendancehall I read book on Bruce lee, can't remember the name of the book, but it said Bruce didn't like to compete in competitions at the time because it was point scoring competitions, nothing close actual combat. Bruce didn't have a professional fight record but he did have real street fights in Hong kong, that's why his dad sent him to live in America
@@Reco-Sco that's an oxymoron. People are entitled to free speech but not entitled to be upset? Surely that falls under the same category....More like you disagree with them feeling upset....
@@dxcSOUL You have the right to be upset and I have the right to tell you to grow up, focus on what matters and stop bitching and moaning about fictional Hollywood movies.
Why is people still getting butthurt over others opinions, just because they dont share your view? Why are people emotionally attached to opinions? Ya'll dumb af
bit late I know but in an interview, Tarantino said that his portrayal of Bruce Lee here is based on what he has heard and seen of him. He also said he went "a tiny bit" over the top with it. He quotes some things like his wife quoting Bruce Lee in his biography but what Tarantino thought she said is plain wrong. Now what I've heard, is that Tarantino doesn't really like Bruce Lee, idk if that's true but his portrayal in this movie is def biased.
Tarantino's depiction of Lee was disrespectful and inaccurate. There is no record anywhere of Lee acting cocky and arrogant like that. He idolized Mohammed Ali. The choreography in the movie had nothing to do with any style Lee used. It didn't reflect his American TV work, his Hong Kong movies, or his personal style JKD. Lee never would have agreed to rules in a fight and he never would have used a flying side kick in a real fight, esp. TWICE.
@@jimmorrison3927 Well I would say it's both but in terms of style it's not a fixed style it's an ever growing one. But it was being taught as a style only Bruce wanted to make sure the newest methods of the style were being taught so the style was always changing. In an interview he says something like how he doesn't like how Dan was in a way teaching it as a fixed style because as you said it's also a mind set.
Great idea. Inosanto can talk for hours about meeting and training with so many legends and little known badasses of martial arts in EVERY style and system. He’s still learning and received his black belt in bjj from the Machados.
Joe doesn’t know what he’s even talking about. A lot of those Manson girls were from prominent families, one was even a former librarian at Berkeley. They weren’t “homeless”
@@YourPalHDee ooof shaub was an ok fighter in the ufc, could kick mine and your ass sure but i wouldnt call him high ranking. Gotta get off his podcast youre drinking the coolaid
Joe is right. Brandon is completely missing the point. Even if he loses the fight, why make him out to be dumb. It was smart for the shock value, but a lot of people still idolize Lee.
I think it was part of the movie. It was a caricature of Hollywood in the 60s. Tarantino does that a lot with his historical movies, he amps up things. He knows that Lee was known for being an intelligent man with a deep philosophy he loved to share, so the caricature of him would be a Bruce Lee who just sounds ridiculous and thinks he sounds smart when he's not. It wasn't hilarious to me but I thought it was a fair joke
If you payed attention to the other times he was visible in the movie, he showed the REAL Bruce. the movie was historical fiction to a certian point. They showed him working with Tate and other actors, playing around with them, and to be fair he DID try to say it wasnt Brad Pitt's character's fault in the fight and tried to cover for him.
He wasn’t dumb in the movie. He was cocky. What exactly did he do that made him dumb? Nothing. And other times in the movie they showed him training Sharon tate and seemed like a nice humble man when not in his movie set persona. Also the fight was a draw
He wasn’t portrayed as a dummy as much as it was a burlesque scene and commentary on hubris. Plus it emphasized and enhanced the legend of the protagonist.
Dude keeps changing his opinion, “hes a badass. Hes not a badass. I like the guy. I clapped when he got his ass beat.” He really like to shame other people but himself
There was no shaming. Schaub just understands that this is a FICTIONAL retelling of history, similar to what Tarantino did with Inglorious Basterds. He's going to do whatever he wants and that entire scene was a big 9 minute setup for the amazing punchline of "oh yeah". It was a hilarious scene. I'm surprised Joe isn't understanding that it's a comedic FICTITIOUS rendition of a real person, it is not "based on a real person" It is a fictional retelling, not based in reality. Hence "Once upon a time" ... >_>
I think when he invites someone over for a podcast, he wants to actually interview them and info out of them rather just make it about himself. If he was too confrontational about it QT probably wouldn't be willing to talk about so many things
@@dawatchng I agree, because he went after those vegans before he invited a few years back on the podcast and it made for a weird podcast where the people he was interviewed didn't want to speak up for the next hour and they cut the interview short. I think since then he takes a neutral stance instead of making it to much about his perspective.
And he's wrong. Wada'yknow? He shoulda stick to the manual. It's irrelevant whether or not Bruce Lee had any real fights or was "tough," it's the fact that the movie portrayed him as an absolute moron, when in reality he's actually really sharp, introspective, and well read in philosophy.
Denying Bruce Lee for who really was (Brilliant, genius,so unique like no one else) is like denying Clint Eastwood, the Beatles, Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe, J. F.K etc.... A real gift from God to humans, and we steel not satisfied....instead they listen to Tarantino, like if he is a god to discredit Mr. Lee
I agree with joe. Brendan’s being an edge lord right now, and he sounds dumb. “We don’t know.” “Oh he’s brilliant.” “He could’ve sucked” “Oh he was great! He was brilliant!” Which one is it Shaub?
I think the "we don't know" what Bruce Lee was like was referring to him being a tough guy and an actual fighter who got in a ton of real fights. Saying "Oh he's brilliant" is something that we can know and he was a smart and wise guy intellectually.
@@kdingo2909 but if Bruce Lee grew up in this Era, and decided to become a professional fighter instead of an actor with the athletic abilities he had back then... You still think he'd suck ass? See the problem with such a debate is that no one knows for sure... Because during Bruce's time there was no real no holds barred fighting contest like the UFC, the closest thing they had was boxing but in terms of regular martial arts like karate, judo etc, there were only point competitions... No full contact fights, so of course Bruce wouldn't have had a record, especially since he chose to use his martial arts training to pursue acting instead of an athletic career...but you can't deny his legacy, the racial boundaries he broke in a predominantly white run Hollywood at the time, his fame, his philosophies and his experimentation with different martial arts styles which eventually inspire the development of MMA.... Bruce is one of the reasons we have UFC today, u can't deny that and I think if he was born in the 80s or 90s and decided to pursue a career in fighting and trained in MMA he would've done really well, but again we can't say for sure... If he was still alive today after having living his life as an actor, of course he would lose today, he'd be a freaking old man for crying out loud lol you expect an old man in his 70s to be able to compete in the UFC?? Really?
Yeah, my idea of a tough guy has always been someone who thinks they're powerful and can defeat anybody, but in reality would lose to a pickle jar lid. Calling Bruce Lee a tough guy is an insult lol.
Mr "No Name" is talking about Bruce Lee that he was not good. Really? When most greatest martial artists from that era was praising Bruce for his incredible skills. From Ed Parker to Chuck Norris. Lots of them talking about how great Bruce was. People who have a clue. Jim Kelly, Robert Wall, Bolo Yeung, Jackie Chan, and many, many more. Professional Martial Artists. And suddenly "Mr Nobody" is saying that all of them are wrong. WTF?
Bruce Lee was a movie star man. He was only depicted as a badass cause of his character in films. The only people to actually vouch for him being a decent fighter are his own kids and he never even won a recorded fight EVER. He was just a actor full of himself and ego, people on think he was this humble philosopher but that’s only because of the way he talks about himself.
Bruce Lee can beat anyone.... in the movies! In reality, Lee would be beaten into oblivion. Fanboys cant seem to find footage of him beating anyone even semi good
@Miles Davidson Yea well Joe is the one to say he will never be a Champion yet proceeded to call Travis Browne elite yet Browne has got his ass beat ever since 😆 Joe started all of this
Bruce fought to teach his art....yes, he could fight. What made him stand out was his ability to keep learning and evolving his art. That and his natural speed made him unique. This is just hate for hate sake from Schaub and his mediocre career.
The point isnt how he fought in the movie. P.s Bruce Lee would beat Brad Pitts ass. The point is that its using a real person in the movie and making him look like a fool. He's not some random dude or some low level ufc fighter. That guy has a legacy so anyone who respected that legacy wouldnt respect seeing him being clowned even if the movie isnt true
I’ve seen the movie twice now and it doesn’t depict him as much of an idiot as Joe is saying. He is there to show how good Cliff is. So when he fights people later in the movie it’s understandable that he’s able to do what he does
Read the Tao of Jeet kune Do, Lee was brilliant. Brendan, you should educate yourself about the man, and stop acting so jealous. Bruce was a decent man who worked hard to get where he did, and although cocky at times was honest about his abilities. Bruce trained with a lot of great martial artists who all said he was the real deal. Read Bruce's Tao , you will appreciate it.
Brendan agreed with you he just said it was awesome (as in it was funny) to play a reversal of everyone sucking his dick he knows Lee was great just thought it was fun to make fun of him a bit
I’m not saying Bruce wasn’t the real deal, but he was 5’ 8” and a 130 lbs. Where as Brad Pitt is 5’ 11” and 160 lbs. Weight classes exist for a reason. On top of that, Pitt’s character, Cliff, is a Korean War vet plus a very experienced stuntman, meaning he can take some hits. Also, Cliff never actually gets to defeat Bruce in the movie. It’s effectively a draw. More importantly, the point of that scene establishes the believability of the last 15 minutes of the movie.
Lee was always in great shape, but he wasn't that shredded in 1969, when the movie was set. He was bigger and slimmer in 1971, but the actor looked fine. The actor's arms were even arguably too big.
@Marcus Haughney But it does display the intended emphasis that would be done verbally. As this is a discussion medium, there are exceptions for the purpose of making communication clearer. Pretty sure it's done in many fiction stories as well for the same reason.
Facts. Have one of your parents be famous and when they pass and some asshole makes a movie with your deceased parent in it then one can realize what Bruce Lee's family feels about the film direction. It's a disrespect to him and Brendan acts like he knows shit when he doesnt
Dude Bruce Lee was and is the definition of bad ass. He was very smart and he could fight like nobody's business. He use to street fight in China before coming to the Bay Area. Fighting and training was his life.
It's not about Bruce Lee losing, it's not about the bad fighting and acting, it's how retarded Bruce Lee was depicted in the movie. Look at his green hornet casting, he's way more composed than what the movie shows.
Scout Brad's character is an insanely tough guy hidden in hollywood, and I think all main characters have their unfinished back story anyway(e.g. Wife killing?), beating Bruce Lee in a real fight wouldn't unnecessarily distract the audience. I'm all for the two having a real reason for conflict, e.g. Some guy saying Bruce can beat Ali, Brad's character doesn't believe it, Bruce doesn't mind trying to show off but unexpectedly loses, instead of being a bragging idiot.
Yeah but then why didn't they just make bruce lee is martial arts teacher everyone that asked bruce received instruction it would have made just as much sense and wouldn't have spit on bruce Lee's legacy
Two guys debating the LACK of factual realism in a movie that subverts the most famous murders in Hollywood into a make believe fight involving a flame thrower? Sure, why not... 🤷🏼♂️
No. They're talking about defamation of a historical figure. You would also feel uncomfortable if Charles Manson was portrayed as a child loving priest, wouldnt you?
Bruce was a great fighter and man, but Bruce was cocky, he wanted to make Cliff look stupid by knocking him down with the same move and Bruce underestimated Cliff that’s all it was
Shoeb is a goofball. So glad that joe forgot about him recently. Guy is annoying as fuck with his sunflower attitude and glasschin. He is the type of guy who has 0 talent on wht he is doing yet he is still doing it becasue he has connections.
@@YourMomsHouse808 Bruce lee isn’t a real fighter sure he does all these flashy flying kicks but as if that what work man would get fucked by a professional
Bruce Lee’s portrayal in the movie was through the mind of Brad Pitts character. It’s how a white guy in the 60s would’ve imagined him at the time. That whole scene was a daydream
Jared it has never been confirmed that Bruce Lee’s character was seen in the mind of Brad Pitt’s character. Quentin Tarantino has made it clear that he believes that Bruce Lee was a cocky person in real life, so it’s pretty clear the portrayal of Bruce Lee is how Quentin views him. The fact is that Quentin has defended that way he portrayed Bruce Lee and if it was only in the Brad Pitt’s character, Quentin would’ve said so.
@@matthew413 yeah... like White people ALWAYS have to be the good guys... kinda get tired of that crap. Rambo takes down several countries with a dull spoon gets old real fast.
@@matthew413 yes, White and determined always wins. Thanks for proving my point. Anyone else, garbage. Why can't Whites take that they aren't always the good guys. And with regards to your Ong Bak reference, should Whites always need to win even in foreign films? Geez... yeah, even in a Thai movie, the White guy just HAS to win, huh? SMH...
Both of them are wrong. All the characters in the show are real people. Rick and Cliff are based off of Burt Reynolds and Hal Needham(Burt's stunt guy). The only thing about the story that doesn't really match up is the end. Honestly, I think Tarentino wanted to rewrite what happened to Sharon. Instead of everyone dying to Manson's gang they lived. It's an homage
@@evolstrawberry8156 I don't doubt it. I grew up idolising him myself. But the problem is mate, heros all have their faults. I didn't think he came off looking all that bad actually. Lee certainly did talk some shit sometimes...like us all.
How about everybody takes into account its a fictional depiction of late 60s Hollywood, and is written not with the priority of accuracy, but with intrigue and entertainment. Also, having Cliff beat Bruce Lee helps sell him taking on all the Manson murderers.
@Jerediah Jedi. Bruce Lee was already muscle toned and very strong before he started his movie career in Hong Kong. He also did a great deal of isometric training, which made his tendons super strong, as well.
One of the few things I can call him a dumbass for thinking. It wasn't tarantino's portrayal of Lee, it was tarantino's portrayal of Pitt's day dream of why they didn't want him on the set.
I don’t think Rogan is correct that Tarantino portrayed Bruce Lee as a buffoon. Rather extremely arrogant, self important and confrontational person which one can argue Bruce Lee really was. Also Tarantino played cleverly on the rumors around Lee’s fight record, but that doesn’t mean that he’s disputing history with that movie. People who are mad about his portrayal misunderstood the movie imho
The cool thing about Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is that it's in the same vein as Inglorious Bastards, it's alternate history. Events happen differently than they did historically. The version of Bruce Lee in the film isn't a direct representation of him, but the alternate version of him.
No way! I thought it was totally real! You’re telling me Brad Pitt didn’t kill off the Manson gang while tripping on LSD in real life?! What would we do without you explaining to us that a Quentin Tarantino movie is fictitious
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He was an Asian guy who worked his way up to a legend during the 60s and 70s. If that's not tough I don't know what is.
I stubbed my toe this morning and I only cried for 20 mins
He was in movies... Fuck you mean
And you don`t think it was hard for Bruce Lee to get into movies and become successful in Hollywood as a minority in the 1960s?
I don`t swear that much but a better question would be what the fuck do YOU mean Bruce Lee was in movies and saying fuck you mean after that? The implication you seem to be making is that because he was a star in movies it wasn`t hard for him to get there is absurd. Bruce Lee had to work hard to get where he was, like Shannon Lee said, twice as hard as guys like Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio had to.
Right!😳
still, not as tough as Chuck Norris.
Branden: “Bruce lee wasn’t a badass”
Joe: “I think he was a badass”
Branden: “That’s what I said”
Yeah this dude swings left and right just to be cool
@michael roya you obviously have some unrelated pent up aggression. Fuck off the internet with that unnecessary negative shit. I hate people like you.
Brandon Fritz as cringe as calling it a “log”
ttoclawtv we have found Brendan Schaubs burner account
I’m so glad this fool started his own podcast so I don’t have to see him anymore.
Joe Rogan's Podcast guests:
1. Experts in their fields that are really humble about their knowledge.
2. Comedian friends who smugly know everything.
this guy, and then there's that black guy. lol, I like Joe, and his views still except for his Greta Thunberg take, she's 15 and deserves the praise she's getting. but these other guys are just dumb schmucks...sorry schuab , shmuck*
Is John Oliver White? He can't be white; LOL
Shaub used to be an mma fighter... he’d know more about fighting than joe
vin 950 so is climate change a myth??
@@summit6077 Every thousand years the earth heats and cools, the viking age is literally a thousand years ago and was all about that period surviving a Mini Ice Age.
If you read Bruce Lee's works, it's clear he was extremely insightful . Bruce Lee was MMA 30 years before MMA existed.
Except he never competed at any level. Every story about him is made up. He spent his entire life in front of a camera yet never managed to record any of these 'marvelous' feats of athleticism. Bruce Lee fanboys are the worst. MMA has destroyed asian martial arts. They are kaput. American Wrestling is the most dominant martial art on the planet and there is NOTHING you can do about it.
1909 Luta Livre in Brazil you retard Google it
How come? Was lee already alive in ancient greece? How about luta livre? Savate? Kajukenbo?sambo? Did lee create all of these?
@@GDCDGC I think Bruce Lee was way more detrimental bringing mixed style of fighting to the mainstream.
@@yuka7.999 and so?
Bruce Lee only did those flying kicks for theatrical aesthetics, his real martial arts always had solid grounding.
In a real fight, Bruce lee would have done low kicks similar to McGregor. He was really fond of those and they’re very practical
Yeah, Bruce practiced boxing, wrestling, judo, and karate too, so he was very well rounded.
@Badass Batman he wouldn't have. He was good, but he wasn't the best. He even said a good boxer or wrestler would beat a martial artist, himself included.
Stfu. Nobody got room to speak the lest You've known and studied Lee's Annotations Not Just involving martial arts.
@@vossburton3437 dude what? He did kung fu. And altered a certain style to what he does in the movies.
Brendan schaub: "Bruce lee wasn't really a badass"
*Joe disagrees*
Brendan schaub 1 minute later: "I've always thought Bruce lee was a badass"
Hahahahahahaa
I caught that too. I don't usually have long conversations with these kinds of ppl. What's crazy is that he contradicts himself within a couple of mins, within the same conversation.
@@allanf8745 hes an idiot that's why
Brainwashed thinking that one movie is what Fact-ually happen all the time?
@@snakeslitherin6175 Or maybe he's just trying to keep things civil because it seems like rogan is a little too worked up about this lol
who’s here after joe acted like he didn’t have a problem with it when Tarantino was on the show
He always does this shit...
He doesn't want to be confrontational
Yeah, he is a narcissist. He can’t be disliked.
I’ve just watched the QT interview and they talk a lot about Bruce Lee & you’re right Joe didn’t say any of this to QT… Tarantino didn’t go to town on Lee but he definitely did on his wife Wow!!! Check it out and not the 5min clip on TH-cam
I think Joe did that way as to not derail the entire QT interview around that topic.
The problem I had with the movie is that it portrayed Bruce as cocky, arrogant and or goofy, like an inflated character of himself. He was the intellectual philosopher type of a person, I remember watching the Green Hornet on TV before his death. As far as his toughness and fighting abilities, at that time he could take on guys 50-100 lbs heavier than himself, maybe more and would have beat them. Compared to today's level of MMA he would still be amazing, maybe only able to give up 30-50 lbs. Bruce was confident in his abilities, but also very realistic how they compared to others. When asked who would win him or Muhammed Ali, he immediately said; Ali have you seen the size of his fists!? Lee 5-7 135 lbs to Ali 6-3 230 both at the top of their style of fighting. Other Martial Art pros of the day; Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, Jim Kelly, Danny Inosanto and many more have all confirmed that Bruce was at a higher level than others, he hit like a heavy weight not a 135 lb guy. He was the first to combine nutrition, athletic training and a variety of martial arts that led to today's MMA. Although not a God or Superhero, he was unique, he was special, he was the first to achieve a much higher level of fitness and ability. As Mr Han said; you're skills are extraordinary and then Bruce killed that guy...
Cliff imagines him to be cocky and an idiot. It was a fantasy.
@@dabearsfan811 Precisely. People allow the Manson Murderers to be murdered, but god forbid anyone else is a caricature in a fictional film.
@@thegageinator805 Yeah and the reason's simple, the manson murderers are "murderers" and Bruce Lee wasa
pretty respected guy considered a legend by many...
@@devdattshrikhandepatil6574 Was Sharon Tate a ditzy, or Polanski a cool dude? No. It's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, not Once in Hollywood.
@@thegageinator805 So what ? One can't show Hitler in a good light just for the sake of fantasy/fiction right !? Cuz believe it or not, even fictions are designed make a certain point about real world. That's why they portrayed Manson murderers to be defeated - the point was to correct a historical wrong.
Similarly, there was no point in portraying Bruce Lee (a real life celebrity) in an idiotic light, other than mocking him.
Cuz if they wanted a funny character they could have just used a fictional one. That's why people got pissed...
Schaub: Bruce could never kick my ass
Joe: Yes he could
Schaub: Yes he could
A 100% he could
Kick his ass? More like remove that ass!!! lol
Lmao 😂
@@massive_d Y'all act like Schaub isnt literally three times his size and a professional fighter. Schaub would destroy Bruce Lee. All he has to do is get ahold of him at its over
@@banquetmeal663 wtf did I just read?
If I tell you I'm good, probably you will say I'm boasting. But if I tell you I'm not good, you'll know I'm lying.
Bruce Lee
This quote should have been said in the movie
Be formless like water
Lmao what is that picture? Cholo Khabib? 😂
How I am in smash bros
Carlito Brigante bruhhh haha I didn’t even notice until I read your comment
I love Bruce Lee. And Joe Rogan defending him is honorable.
bruce lee is the man!! for sure!! but its a QT movie he lies to reinvent history, like he did with Hitler in inglorius bastards
Shame he can't defend Gavin McInnes
@@iLLWiLLTheMiCK I see your point but Bruce Lee isn't hitler. He's a national treasure and an icon that many people respect and look up to, he inspires people 40 years after his death. To disrespect him even in jest is just plain shameful. I love Tarantino haven't seen a movie of his I haven't thoroughly enjoyed but he's wrong here.
Nah. Joe didnt defend Bruce's ability to fight enough. Joe Rogan is clearly jealous Lee was baddest man on planet in his day.
Joe Rogan is being almost as idiotic as yellow shirt man. He claims to think gene lebel would be too much for Lee in another vid.? Joe likes downplaying Lee and we know downplaying is akin to hating.
Bruce Lee was a dedicated Master of the arts before the movies and he was a man who learned and taught all the time. The only ones that have any thing bad to say about him didn't know him. The strength for his size was tested many times and he always won.
The time Joe Rogan reconsiders his relationship with Brendan Schuab.
Lmao
YES … TOTALLY YES !
You can see it in his eyes
@@TimmyDLC Oh yeah, i've noticed it too !
When somebody stretches during a conversation, they hate you, he hates Brendan
It feels like joe regrets bringing this guy on here the whole time lmaooooo
YUP, I sure do lol
Totally dislike this guest
Brendan is literally Joe's close friend lmao
Lil Doomer that doesn’t mean anything 🤣😂
Why? Just because he’s not being a dickhead and agreeing with everyone he says like so many other of joe’s dickriders
A Bloke called Chuck Norris seemed to think he was pretty bad ass.
CHUCK's been wishy washy talking about Bruce through the years. Playing both sides of the fence
In case you didn't know, Chuck Norris is also a fake bad ass.
Shankabottomus check ya facts
Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris actually sparred off set while making Return of the Dragon.
@@Shankabottomus in case
I agree with Joe 100% We will never see another Bruce Lee!
Donnie Yen and Jackie Chan are pretty gnarly
There's literally 9 billion people in the world, have you seen all of them fight?
@@watchmeyodel we know one thing for sure. No one's ever seen Bruce Lee fight 😂
@@rolandbishop1716 You gotta be one of them dudes.
Did you agree when he had QT on too? 😂
Imagine how dumb Tarantino would portray Brendan as
Expect a swerve tho
Is tarantino not one of the ugliest humans on the planet. He got a punch face
It couldn't possibly be any dumber than he is in real life
He'd probably get a down syndrome to play him like Kenny powers did to stevie in the last episode
"He's like a real big DOUCHE, right? I mean, he wears these fucking CLOTHES, ok? And like he always acts like a DUMMY, ok?"
Ask Jackie Chan. He should know more about Bruce Lee because he himself was a stuntman for Bruce. LOL!
I'm with Joe, ya don't diss the Dragon!
The whole fucking point in the movie was to show how strong Brad Pitts character is, to show how he is trained in fighting and killing to the same levels and further. Which is important at the end of the movie, it’s a fucking foreshadow.
@Brenda Brenda calm down there, kiddo lol
Brenda Brenda exactly, but QT still made Bruce Lee out to be an empty headed buffoon. He is an icon for very many people. Making him a buffoon actually downplays Pitt’s character, because he beats this entitled phony version of Bruce Lee instead of the legend.
Lord Bunbury it’s a movie..........
Brendan Schaub not agreeing with Joe... That's rare lol.
He's drunk
He's evolving
Pablo Cid evolving into a bigger bitch
DMT
Joe did a very good job defending Bruce! Bruce Lee was brilliant in many ways and still is an icon.
If they made a movie and Brendan was portrayed as smart, I would also be equally irritated.
Lol
😆
instead they made a comedy portraying him as funny
@@awesome-o7220 Clever 💪😌
"Honorable" would have been having that conversation with Quentin Tarantino when he was on the podcast, and talking about it, instead of just going "Hmmmm"
Just get Chuck Norris on the show and ask him about Bruce. I'm sure he would give you an honest and truthful opinion on the matter.
I don't know if he'd give an honest opinion. He was Bruce's friend.
Not a single person living that knew Bruce is agreeing with Tarantino. That speaks volumes.
Chuck got choked out by one of the lesser Gracie's back in 1989, I'm front of his karate class
@Dave Stephenson Both Norris and Lee were pussies.
They sold out to make money making TV shows and Movies.
The real Martial Arts Masters are living in some cave in the mountains.
To be fair since Bruce's death, Chuck has started to claim he would have beaten Bruce in a fight. Something he never dared say when Lee was alive. Chucks ego would get in the way of his honesty.
Brendan is talking about Bruce Lee as if he was born in the Middle Ages.
Brendan” we don’t know “ Schaub
@@kingtrawal lmao shut up fuckwit. Just because you're easily manipulated by fiction. Keep on thinking mate, the fact is if Bruce was that good he would have accolades to show for it. Chuck Norris did, jcvd did, what's Bruce Lee's excuse? "Martial arts is for self defence* well then, by that statement alone he admits that he isn't a fighter.
@@natem1982 who trained chuck noris for his tournament it was Bruce Lee if he wasn't a fighter than would chuck ask for advice Bruce knew how to fight and any person that fights and see how he moves knows this he didn't fight for living professionally but he knew how to scrap for sure
@David Rodenborn wtf, what are you talking about "kicked out of his country"?
@Michael Mabus Why are you people being so sensitive? ITS COMEDY. Since when are people off-limits from comedy? Joe talks so much about bloggers and columnists being offended at stand-up comics, but now he cant take a joke because he has Bruce Lee's cock down his throat? That is hypocritical and pathetic. Also, The Boondocks already made fun of MLK in an episode Btw
@@kingtrawal thank you! Please school these idiots. Chuck Norris will tell you today that Bruce was a better fighter and a actual bad ass
Let's get REAL. Bruce punched WAAY above his weight.
Getting smoked like that in the movie? NAAH. I have a BIT of martial arts experience--you CAN'T take what we saw as having ANY basis in ANY reality we know about.
Bruce was like LIGHTNING.
Ask Jim Kelly.
John Saxon.
Jackie Chan.
Witnesses.
Nothing we saw or heard anywhere would inform what we saw.
Ask the HK martial arts guys--this was a deadly individual.
Fuck. Ask BOLO YEUNG.
Holy shit man it was a silly movie, don’t be weird
Brendan: "that's exactly how it would go down if it happened"
Joe: "no it isn't"
Brendan: "you're living in reality tho"
Bruhh
Lol. he makes no sense. so what does he mean? "that's how exactly it would go down not in reality?"
Yea but my understanding is that Bruce Lee even said that he wouldn't do flying kicks in a real fight. He does it in his movies for entertainment value but he knows it's not practical in a real streetfight.
Bruce Lee said in an interview he hates the word "super star" when he was called that, followed by his famous speech about water. He was a humble, philosophical guy.
Also don't forget he was the driving force of bringing martial arts to the west and is the father of MMA.
He wasn’t the father of mma there was already people who used a mixture of martial arts People just started saying he started mma but he didnt
@@pizrux6592 He was, he was the first to acknowledge that no single martial art was enough and was learning from all other forms. He learnt grappling form Gene lebell. He was even learning from fencing. He embraced every martial art and learnt from them all. Then tried to create his own variation.
And now we cant make fun of him because...why? When did Joe and his legion start advocating for comedy censorship? ITS COMEDY FOR GODS SAKE. Wtf is going? Im so confused, why would Joe suddenly start being so hypocritical? He hates when columnists and bloggers get offended at stand-up, but he cant take a Bruce Lee joke? When did Brendan become the logical one? I feel like Im in an alternate timeline.
@@gilgamesh5796 Want to know why? Because Joe is passionate about MMA, and when you're talking about one of the most influential figures in MMA, he's probably got a huge soft spot for Bruce Lee. I imagine it would be the same as having a depiction of a Rickson Gracie in the movie, who can't actually do a proper choke hold, and acts like a punk. All evidence points to Bruce Lee being a respectful philosopher and skilled martial artist, so of course Joe is sour about it. Especially since Bruce Lees family has tried so hard to keep Bruce's legacy positive and alive.
The philosophy of jeet kune do is "having no way as way" .. which acknowledged the electic nature of martial arts ..thereby taking thr strengths from each style to form a successful combination of it. .
Hence -mixed martial arts
If you watch interviews of actors/martial artists talking about Bruce Lee, they talk about sparring or fighting with him. Some of them don't really admit getting beat, some of them admit getting beat and explain how strong he really is. I honestly believe that Bruce was fr a badass and can really kick ass because at some point in his life, he got into a little trouble which did make him a street fighter as well. I may be wrong but as far as what I've seen from interviews, docs, and movies, it shows who Bruce Lee really is and of course movies that's accurate about his life. Also remember as well that he is one of the creators of MMA. Not here to make arguments with anybody because some of you are hot heads lol, just stating my opinion and showing my respects to a Legend who deserves more credit.
@@nodruj8681 Gosh u may be blind but tons of eyewitnesses who gave their testimony to his fighting abilities said he was good. Are you calling Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Mike Stone and Pat Burleson liars? Who are you to call them liars?
not one of the creators, he did created MMA
@@nodruj8681 @Cold Servo Pie people like you want him to have been just an actor. Not that he wasn't a fighter but that you want to feel like he was just an actor. He fought plenty of times as a street fighter. He fought plenty of times off set with actors who didn't think he could fight and spared a ton on his own time. Little boys like you ignore this tho because you want to feel like you're smart.
Bruce Lee is a legend. No one can take that away from him.
Bruce Lee would kick both of there asses. FACT!
He created an entire way of martial Arts. Bruce couldn't be beat. No one beat him. He was great no question. Tarintions movies. All made Bruce Lee great this one made hom a tool.
The scene was also Brad Pitt’s memory of events, so it was just what he was thinking about and he’s easily an unreliable narrator.
Sebastian Boyce that's a pretty good point sebastian
Good point
exactly this, a lot of people not getting the point of the scene
That would've been a good excuse, except Tarantino has defended his portrayal of Bruce Lee and has never said anything about it being warped in Brad Pitt's head. Based on his own words, Tarantino believed Bruce was a cocky guy who had a big mouth, and that's obviously how he chose to portray him. So Tarantino thought he was being accurate. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to have done very thorough research and probably just wrote the scene recklessly. Given that every other real-life character is treated with realism (even manson and his cult followers aren't parodied, just what happens to them), this is pretty disappointing.
The movie doesn't have a narrator. It's not Forrest Gump.
I remember reading some of Bruce Lee's books on street fighting... the guy had in-depth explanations and little sketches on eye gouges and groin strikes, and just about anything that could work to end a fight as quickly as possible. No flashy jump kicks, that stuff was for cinema. I think Lee knew how to fight, not just via martial arts, but how to scrap, from experience. Not saying he was unbeatable, but to say he couldn't fight is pretty ignorant.
Nobody says he couldn't fight.
@@私はクソな中国人です : This moron Rogan is talking to said it. That doesn't look like no one (definitely a nobody tho lol)
@@私はクソな中国人です plenty people do say it for no reason all the time.
Yeah, but the movie doesn't betray him as a bad fighter. But he isn't as good as people say. And when going up against an experienced fighter or a military veteran he would have a hard time keeping up
Branden’s “it’s a movie” argument is fucking weird. He has such a stupid defense for such a bold take lol the fact it ends with “you’re thinking about it too much” proves he just didn’t think about it enough 😂
It's a real argument and states the fact that it's a fictional play
@@nawidyeah8274 It was marketed and presented as a re-telling of real life events.
@michaelmyers4943 no it wasn't dude I knew from the commercials on TH-cam and the promotion that it was like some alternate reality take on it
These people will watch a Tarantino movie and think it's a documentary
Brendan doesnt think much in general
Schaub probably been reading the comments about always agreeing with Joe and chose the wrong time to disagree with him 🤦♀️😂
Ducking hilarious because it so true. He chose the wrong time to not such dick
Lol
Nineteen 85 the reason Tarantino used Bruce in that way is to make the ending make sense, because it makes no sense for a regular person to be able to fight off a home invasion in that way, but a guy who beat BRUCE LEE, that’s a different story, Bruce Lee is still a badass but they needed to show cliff as a badass as well in order to tie it all together at the end.
NoobMaster69 problem is, take inglorious bastards for example. hitler's in the film but it's one of those blink and you'll miss him type of things, not a ton of time focused on him. if he made bruce look like a buffoon and he's a real person that's messed up. always put yourself in the situation. imagine you had a friend that passed on that was real intelligent then someone makes a film depicting them and makes them look like a clown in it, you'd be offended and hurt.
He's right though, people fantasize so hard about Bruce Lee.
Have Chuck Norris on the show he trained with Bruce, he should know what he was really like,
Chuck is on record as saying BRUCE was very egotistical.When Lee cut himself in a scene trying to disarm Noris of a glass bottle he couldn't get over it and the film crew heard him say very dishonorable things about getting revenge on Chucky.Norris claims he didn't wear body armor under his clothing so BRUCE could take out his anger for real in the following scenes,fracturing Nor is ribs.I know this story should make YA wonder why a director would allow real glass on their set ? Its all Hollywood and "Once upon a time".Fact is Chuck Norris version is known.Lee was great but he was also an actor.They create illusions,it's their job,and of course the scene in OUATIH is Pitts characters version of events.Its all high fantasy and Bruce Lee may have liked the scene had he lived to see it !
@The School of Everything pussy
@The School of Everything Because he was the first most of them saw about Kung Fu because he acted and did them in movies.
@@jamesburnsfisher3304 Educate yourself. That anecdote you're wrecking was not Chuck Norris but Bob Wall -- it was the scene in Enter the Dragon where a beaten Oharra grabs a couple bottles and breaks them. In Hong Kong at that time spun sugar glass was not readily available so they used real bottles. The choreography was a little off so Lee jammed his hand into the bottle and was cut. Maybe it pissed him off, maybe he put a little extra into that sidekick he blasted into Oharra in the same scene. But Wall must have gotten over it because he always spoke highly of Lee in interviews...
@@chaburchak It think, thanks to your corrections,I am more educated(I think?).Did some research that confirmed what YA said but so much is ONCE UPON A TIME I can't quite separate the fantasy and fact from the legend.Oviously there is different story's told through the years such as CHUCKYS version I am sure I read many years ago ,it's hard to not be misinformed.Also WALL like his co-stars tells of slapping people in the head,like somebody in the production cast,for getting the "facts" wrong.What does that tell YA about themselves ! Big,tough,strong men,with EGO's of glass !!
“Was Bruce Lee actually badass?” Well if you fckng check the information, you’ll see that most of the world champions and great fighters of that era, participated in his training classes to see and learn his techniques.
S Tra How do you get Steven Seagal from Bruce Lee?
Fadbamse Oh? Ok, so I guess that him being the first person to do MMA doesn’t matter. I guess that him teaching many big name martial artists and improving their skills doesn’t mean jackshit. I guess that creating a whole ass fighting system which is pretty much the first MMA doesn’t mean anything. Dude, Lee was a street fighter. It’s a very well known fact. People don’t hold records on street fights. And you don’t need a professional record to be considered a fighter.
Fadbamse How does it not matter? He literally brought MMA to life. Without him, martial arts would not be where it is today. His knowledge of martial arts, and this is said by many professional fighters, was years ahead of his time. What you are is a blind UFC fanboy who doesn’t know jackshit about martial arts. Literally every professional fighter today, and those who knew him back then (Gene LeBell, Chuck Norris, Bob Wall, Jim Kelly, Joe Lewis the kickboxer) give their utmost respect to Lee. Yet for some reason, a UFC fanboy thinks differently. Huh. I’d rather take the word of those who knew him then listen to a pointless argument from a hater who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Like I said: people don’t hold records on streetfights. Lee was a streetfighter. It’s the whole reason he began martial arts in the first place. It was literally impossible to be a rich kid in Hong Kong without running into trouble on the street. When he started martial arts, he was taught Wing Tsun by Yip Man. Lee would then take place in more streetfights from the Wing Tsun Clan against the Choi Li Fut Clan, a famous rivalry between to martial art groups, as far as I know. Your argument is invalid. Bye fanboy.
Fadbamse Ok then, blind fanboy. Whatever you want to tell yourself. If you wanna go against the word of those who knew him and saw him in action and those who studied him, be my guest. Just don’t think that whatever you say is the truth.
Fadbamse Clearly, you’re no fan of reading. 🙄 Would you rather me take the word of those who didn’t know him? People who haven’t seen Bruce with their own eyes? And you act like I’m devoid of logic.
There are a number of pro ring fighters in the past who swore by Lee. Chuck Norris was one, Joe Lewis another, and Lewis "Skipper" Mullins, yet another just to name a few. Almost every significant fighter he featured in his movies was a champion, master or grandmaster in his/her own right and those were the ones he usually ended up squaring off with at the movie's end. Don't know why Tarrantino portrayed Lee the way he did. Honestly, I was a die hard Lee fan as a teen and drank the kool-aid of his invincibility. But his methods really did have substance as some of the fighters mentioned above were influenced by his methods and were successful. No, he could not have beat any and everyone but nor could fighters who were undefeated (Benny Urquidez, Bill Wallace, boxers Marciano and Mayweather) Anyone can be one punch away from being KO'd.
Brendan : Bruce Lee wasn’t a badass.
Joe : Yes, he was.
Brendan : I think so too.
Brendan : Rolls Royce isn’t the best car.
Joe : It’s the best.
Brendan : I think so too.
Brendan : Dave Chapelle isn’t the best comedian of all time.
Joe : Oh Yes he is.
Brendan : I think so too.
does bren really do this? lol
@@cybzer0560 All the time.
@@cybzer0560 yes lol 1:24 not a badass 3:30 total badass
@@mohamedguennouni2827 he said he heard that, not that he believed it.
At least he's not possessed by Marge Simpson this time
Dude BRUCE LEE being questioned on being a badass!! and tough 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ what is this world coming to.
KingBrie is just this dumb fuck that’s always there
By Brenda though. Who's only legacy in ufc is a string of great knockouts......as the receiver lol
Chris lol going through life knowing you can’t prevent the melting pot that America has become from becoming even more diverse must be a tough thought for you man. chin up, most of the people you idolize, have no issue with the “animals” that haunt your dreams. you’re a relic, go back to 4chan
mc finn bellend? a brit telling me i may get murdered by some pathetic depraved freak over a YT comment. if it happens, it happens. no YT comment is making a difference
well look at the tool questioning it.. a brainless jock.
Joe was so annoyed and expressed his frustration with aggressive stretching 🙆♂️
I live how Brendan said real stuff.
Bruce lee is cool, but not proven tough guy. Bruce is mostly a movie actor.
@@94fleetwood94 just because he didn't have a competition record doesn't mean he wasn't tough. If he wasn't legit then at least half all those legit fighters around him would have exposed him. It is also impossible for him to have such deep philosophies on martial arts if he didn't fully understand them and that includes in practical application. It's like a poor man who's never been rich giving lectures to rich dudes about money and they all marvel at his genius in finances, or an average joe that's just a fighting fan tell battle-tested soldiers about the perils of war and the ways of war and it's perils to such a degree that they conclude he's got to be one of the greatest "soldiers" ever and worthy to be seated among generals. That's just not real life. We could argue some actors not being fighters even if they star in action movies but not Bruce Lee. It would be like doubting someone like Tony Jaa simply because he's an actor and has no professional record. Bruce just got into a different career path. I could be among the fastest men on earth but if I do another thing besides competition running doesn't mean I'm not a good runner.
Lmaoooooooo
Hahaha I read this comment a second later Joe is stretching
@@darrylokech292 Exactly, *"could* be among the fastest". Same as Bruce Lee could be a great fighter, but he's just an actor.
I like Bruce, but some people actually believed he was a legit professional fighter until they researched him and found no accolades.
Just as professional as Jackie Chan. I love Jackie Chan!
Bruce Lee was a bad ass. In the world of martial arts. He is a legend. Just like his master IP Man
Be like water.
Bruce lee was a smart guy no doubt very insightful.
Running water does not go stale
Beyond insightful. He based the water philosophy from Lao Tzu who in my eyes was someone who had knowledge that could save America if it was introduced as a "Bible" for school today.
Lonzo Ball your jack knife will rust and your flame will extinguish, electricity only makes water more dangerous.
@@dannyszydlowski damn, u hit him with the facts right there
Lonzo Ball time
Bruce lee would never do a flying kick in a real fight lol. It’s not practical. It looks good on tv though.
Seriously? I never knew that
its not even about the fighting at all its the racist ass stereotypes the dumb over the top sounds the purposely bad accent the fake personalty they gave to bruce lee in this movie
@@escoofimpakt But Bruce Lee did those things in all his movies sooo how is that a racist stereotype. Stop making stuff out of nothing.
Werdum vs travis Browne first 5 seconds
You should see Lee's stepping sidekick to a heavy bag. He kicked it so hard the bag almost hit the ceiling. Sure, it's not a 'flying kick' per se but, like Masvidal's flying knee, all it took to reach sprint speed was two steps. So, it was a flying kick of sorts, just not like in the movies. Right foot connected as the left foot hit the ground.
Brendan is clearly out of his depth. Rogan bringing him on is truly one of the great mysteries of the ages.
Ben Porter sHuT tHe fUcK uP biTcH
They're friends but he's basically a chad. You could hear him basically trying to feel joe out when he was about to diss bruce lee because he didn't want to upset joe. He basically is that type of person who tries to appeal to people and agrees with everyone.
@@charcharr Talking out of both sides of his mouth. It's so tough and honestly annoying to have convos with people like that. You can't have any meaningful or important conversations with people like that....or hell, even "fun" conversations with them.
I mean he had a point when he kept telling Rogan its a movie plenty of things didn’t really happen. And when he says everyone is a dummy in that movie. I get what you are saying but SOMETIMES he had a point.
@@Anothergoogleaccount1 Brendan has a point the same way a broken clock is right twice a day
Bruce Lee WAS a 'badass'--and many actual competing martial artists from that time period have attested to that fact. Tarantino's depiction of him is just that idiot director's own ignorance on full display.
Brendan consistently makes himself look like a moron, it’s almost a skill.
i was thinking the same thing. and many times these are the people the youth listen to...
He can literally tell you how stupid he is.
@R.C.B. i dunno why you think that is relevant... are you one of those idiots who try to compensate their stupidity with force? solely based on this conversation, you can tell that the guy is a clueless idiot, no matter how good he is at fighting. end of story. that ofc doesn't mean he's in any way inferior to anyone, but he's not the type of person that is worth listening to. and it's really sad that none of his close friends/family members told him that he shouldn't do these, cause he's just embarrassing himself with almost every sentence.
R.C.B. He could probably kick your ass as well? I don’t see your point, didn’t say anything about the guys skill as a fighter, only that he seems to be a bit dumb.
He looks moron, he talks moron, he behaves moron.
If Chuck Norris said Bruce Lee was a badass then you take his word for it. No arguments.
Jonathan Harwood except he didn't.
Chuck also said and I quote; "Bruce Lee and I would do *very well* in MMA fighting (tournaments)".
Chuck Norris isn't that much of a badass either though. He could kick my ass, sure, but he just isn't really a badass.
Get Chuck in the CAGE, he'd cry like a baby
@@VisualiseTheFun you're an idiot. Look up the fights Chuck Norris won, it's the reason all the memes started. He _was_ unstoppable.
Chuck Norris on Bruce Lee: The truth is Lee was a formidable opponent with a chiseled physique and technique. I totally enjoyed sparring and just spending time with him. He was as charismatic and friendly in the ring and at home as he was on film. His confidence and wit were dazzling, and sometimes even debilitating to others. […] Lee was lightning fast, very agile and incredibly strong for his size.
Bahhhhh hahaha Jon Jones would eat him up, hell, fucken Conor would eat him up. Fucken grow up you idiot
Gohan McGregor and Jones. Only 2 fighters u no? Fucken dickweed
Gohan Bruce Lee couldve easily kicked ur ass
Big emphasis on "For his size" he weighed like 140 pounds bro..
@@CreeCore94 your disrespecting the godfather of mma
Bruce Lee was definitely not someone from my time but I have an uncle who I believe is now on his 60s that was highly influenced by him. I got to see my uncle be very passionate about teaching self-defense to his children including myself when I was only 5 or 6. Then a couple years later, I went to go live for a while in Guanajuato Mexico at my grandparents ranch.
My grandparents had an old storage space with many old interesting things from those vintage disc players, large collection of folk music discs, magazines, etc. Anyhow, being the kid I was, I just kept looking around and I found two interesting items: an old book of one of Bruce Lee's fighting methods and some nunchucks made of solid wood with a metal chain attached. As I saw these items, I was an awe and right away my uncle came to mind. I brought it up to my grandparents and my mom, and they indeed confirmed with me that it was my uncle's stuff. Afterwards, they detailed some stories of my uncle beating up grown men who tried to even attack him with knifes. In fact, it turned out my uncle was known in his ranch to be the toughest man in the ranch among the majority of men in his community.
My mom apparently got to even see him in action when having to stand up against guys who tried to get out of hand with him or his family members.
Since he grew up in a ranch, I had assumed and still assume that all his Bruce Lee stuff material or learnings must have been brought up from Mexico City. Since I was told that him and my grandpa would go there often for work and stay for some long periods of time.
Bruce sparred with Joe Lewis, Joe Lewis said Bruce hit with the power of a heavyweight.. Folks always forget that statement came from the full contact kick boxing world champ..
That’s all you Bruce Lee nutthuggers have, anecdotal information and urban legends. There’s zero evidence to support any of that Bro. He was an actor/stuntman, get over it.
Thank you @SuperVonKiller
@ShoneDaddy imean too be honest witchu man even Bruce's Family who grew up with the man, there father thought that was some Bullshit soo imean the evidence should be right there broo look at all the interviews & footage of him going in on dudes & him with Jackie Chan (Who was part of his Stunt team) taking about the dude i suggest you really dig & do your research brotha cuz what i saw in that movie was totally disrespectful too the dude joke or not man....imean take your favorite Idol replace it you would be mad as hell too come on man....Not hating on your love for the movie but you gotta put yourself in other peoples perspective aswell dawg 💯💯💯
@@ShoneDaddy th-cam.com/video/6iAqnOeB6M4/w-d-xo.html heres real sparring footage of bruce lee, watch it and tell me "thats not real"..... oh and also most MMA fighters say he woulda killed in the octagon (connor mcgregor is one of them)
@@ShoneDaddy we have to remember that there was no youtube, no UFC, no internet etc ,.....i mean, you're right. a lot of it is folk legend it seems. however his impact in the field of MMA (some say he invented MMA which I agree with) and his influence is second to none in modern times. Joe Lewis himself is a legend and what he says carries a lot of credibility. Also there's plenty of evidence that the greatest Muhammed Ali had the upmost respect for Bruce in regards to his abilities. He was much more than your regualar actor/stuntman. He was a great mind and a innovator.
Bruce lee has no fight record bc there was no mma type of competition during his time bc it was him that basically started the idea of mixed martial art.
LOL so no1 was competing in martial arts ?
Victor Zehan there were, but not MIXED martial arts. mixed martial art was a philosophy that Bruce lee introduced, he believed that fighting would be a lot more advanced if you use the best technique of different type of martial art to create a new one. (Hence why it is now called mixed martial arts)
Lets just forget about greek pankration then I guess
Excellent point
@@grimendancehall I read book on Bruce lee, can't remember the name of the book, but it said Bruce didn't like to compete in competitions at the time because it was point scoring competitions, nothing close actual combat. Bruce didn't have a professional fight record but he did have real street fights in Hong kong, that's why his dad sent him to live in America
The Manson murders didn’t happen in the movie either. “Once Upon a Time...” it’s in the title guys. It’s a fairy tale.
Stephen Centeno aka historical fiction. Ppl have a right to be upset.
@@Reco-Sco that's an oxymoron. People are entitled to free speech but not entitled to be upset? Surely that falls under the same category....More like you disagree with them feeling upset....
@@dxcSOUL You have the right to be upset and I have the right to tell you to grow up, focus on what matters and stop bitching and moaning about fictional Hollywood movies.
Why is people still getting butthurt over others opinions, just because they dont share your view?
Why are people emotionally attached to opinions?
Ya'll dumb af
bit late I know but in an interview, Tarantino said that his portrayal of Bruce Lee here is based on what he has heard and seen of him. He also said he went "a tiny bit" over the top with it. He quotes some things like his wife quoting Bruce Lee in his biography but what Tarantino thought she said is plain wrong. Now what I've heard, is that Tarantino doesn't really like Bruce Lee, idk if that's true but his portrayal in this movie is def biased.
Tarantino's depiction of Lee was disrespectful and inaccurate. There is no record anywhere of Lee acting cocky and arrogant like that. He idolized Mohammed Ali. The choreography in the movie had nothing to do with any style Lee used. It didn't reflect his American TV work, his Hong Kong movies, or his personal style JKD. Lee never would have agreed to rules in a fight and he never would have used a flying side kick in a real fight, esp. TWICE.
“I stood up and clapped”
Joe Rogen in head: Spinning kick to diaphragm
discombobulate
@@TheLiberalPanda was just about to comment that
Lol
Bruce Lee wasn't tough is like saying this yellow shirt guy wasn't stupid
Well, when you put it like that, that makes Lee one of the toughest guys on the planet.
@@legoland6608 all I m saying is that Bruce lee once said boards don't hit back and he's in his grave and yellow shirt guy is hitting boards
Yeah.. his train of thought doesn't go very far...
David Miorgan Yea you weaker than weak for that
I'll guarantee that if Bruce Lee was alive today, Yellow shirt guy wouldn't say that BS to his face!
Joe why don't you do a podcast with Dan Inosanto, a student and close friend of Bruce who teaches JKD
jkd is not a style to be taught...it's a mind set...
@@jimmorrison3927 Well I would say it's both but in terms of style it's not a fixed style it's an ever growing one. But it was being taught as a style only Bruce wanted to make sure the newest methods of the style were being taught so the style was always changing. In an interview he says something like how he doesn't like how Dan was in a way teaching it as a fixed style because as you said it's also a mind set.
Great idea. Inosanto can talk for hours about meeting and training with so many legends and little known badasses of martial arts in EVERY style and system. He’s still learning and received his black belt in bjj from the Machados.
I could listen to Guro Dan talk for hours. That’s an awesome idea
Did this guy not see him 1inch punch tf outta someone and also light match’s with nunchucks
Joe doesn’t know what he’s even talking about. A lot of those Manson girls were from prominent families, one was even a former librarian at Berkeley. They weren’t “homeless”
"Is Bruce Lee really a fighter? Has he won any fights?" Coming from Schaub, who gets a concussion when he tries to open an envelope.
LOL
😅🤣😂
Schaub won a lot of fights and was at a time, a very high ranked fighter, and at his Peak, he'd probably fuck up Bruce Lee at his Peak.
@@YourPalHDee ooof shaub was an ok fighter in the ufc, could kick mine and your ass sure but i wouldnt call him high ranking. Gotta get off his podcast youre drinking the coolaid
@@Buckets50 wtf you talking about? He was #10 Heavyweight. How many people you know who could pull that off?
Brendan sounds completely oblivious to anything factual about Bruce.
anything factual about a lot of things
Or anything besides shoes and cars.
Nail on the head
good thing the movie is fiction right?
D E X X I E there is a reason South Park has to put a disclaimer before all their shoes
1:43 Joe wondering if he should stay friends
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 this killed me
That blinking is gif worthy
I feel like every once and a while Joe thinks Brendan might seriously be mentally handicapped.
switchbuckle5th - ya think? 😂
Bruce lee was an absolute machine wish there was more fight footage
Brendan must know plenty of bad ass dudes since he was always getting laid out in the UFC. He is the Kardashian’s of the UFC world.
he would knock you out....behind and in front of the keyboard.....the same as he would do me...so what?
Dude, who are you?
Bruce lee would shove his hot eggroll up Brendan and all of his opponents asses and make them sing the Chinese national Anthem as they are cumming
😂😂😂 Fantastic comment
@@101mrcrazyman darn it my tummy
This conversation went in circles for 5 straight minutes
Yep, I'm right, no I'm right!
Joe is right. Brandon is completely missing the point. Even if he loses the fight, why make him out to be dumb. It was smart for the shock value, but a lot of people still idolize Lee.
I think it was part of the movie. It was a caricature of Hollywood in the 60s. Tarantino does that a lot with his historical movies, he amps up things. He knows that Lee was known for being an intelligent man with a deep philosophy he loved to share, so the caricature of him would be a Bruce Lee who just sounds ridiculous and thinks he sounds smart when he's not. It wasn't hilarious to me but I thought it was a fair joke
If you payed attention to the other times he was visible in the movie, he showed the REAL Bruce. the movie was historical fiction to a certian point. They showed him working with Tate and other actors, playing around with them, and to be fair he DID try to say it wasnt Brad Pitt's character's fault in the fight and tried to cover for him.
It's a 'movie', nothing is real in a 'movie'.
Many people have been made dumb in movies who are not, why cry foul because he has a legacy ?
Remember kill bill...
Quetin loves Lee, but this was satire...
Hilarious
He wasn’t dumb in the movie. He was cocky. What exactly did he do that made him dumb? Nothing. And other times in the movie they showed him training Sharon tate and seemed like a nice humble man when not in his movie set persona. Also the fight was a draw
He wasn’t portrayed as a dummy as much as it was a burlesque scene and commentary on hubris. Plus it emphasized and enhanced the legend of the protagonist.
Dude keeps changing his opinion, “hes a badass. Hes not a badass. I like the guy. I clapped when he got his ass beat.” He really like to shame other people but himself
There was no shaming. Schaub just understands that this is a FICTIONAL retelling of history, similar to what Tarantino did with Inglorious Basterds. He's going to do whatever he wants and that entire scene was a big 9 minute setup for the amazing punchline of "oh yeah". It was a hilarious scene. I'm surprised Joe isn't understanding that it's a comedic FICTITIOUS rendition of a real person, it is not "based on a real person" It is a fictional retelling, not based in reality. Hence "Once upon a time" ... >_>
He admits that he's in the middle
Who does
@@dtanobo he only says that because Joe was exposing him bit by bit and he knws his jealousy of Bruce is showing so he backpedals
@@ThatCheekyWalrus Exactly!
Outspoken but didn’t have balls to say he didn’t care for it to Tarantino’s face
I think when he invites someone over for a podcast, he wants to actually interview them and info out of them rather just make it about himself. If he was too confrontational about it QT probably wouldn't be willing to talk about so many things
@@dawatchng I agree, because he went after those vegans before he invited a few years back on the podcast and it made for a weird podcast where the people he was interviewed didn't want to speak up for the next hour and they cut the interview short. I think since then he takes a neutral stance instead of making it to much about his perspective.
There’s an art in getting people to spill their guts. Putting them on the defensive isn’t one of those ways.
He has excellent interview technique, I agree ;o)
He is popular as an interviewer for his professionalism. If he dissed everyone that came on to his show, nobody would want to participate.
First time ever Brendan disagrees with Joe. Lol
100%
And he's wrong. Wada'yknow? He shoulda stick to the manual.
It's irrelevant whether or not Bruce Lee had any real fights or was "tough," it's the fact that the movie portrayed him as an absolute moron, when in reality he's actually really sharp, introspective, and well read in philosophy.
He’s on the wrong side of this conversation. Just because he doesn’t agree doesn’t make Brendan any less of a dipshit
@@X3MAntics its a satire. Take the piss.
Hahahaha yes. But I think if the conversation was 10 minutes more, his opinion would have changed
Denying Bruce Lee for who really was (Brilliant, genius,so unique like no one else) is like denying Clint Eastwood, the Beatles, Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe, J. F.K etc.... A real gift from God to humans, and we steel not satisfied....instead they listen to Tarantino, like if he is a god to discredit Mr. Lee
I agree with joe.
Brendan’s being an edge lord right now, and he sounds dumb.
“We don’t know.”
“Oh he’s brilliant.”
“He could’ve sucked”
“Oh he was great! He was brilliant!”
Which one is it Shaub?
Brendans a bitch, ill slap him in real life for disrespecting bruce lee
Joe slapped him and told him to wise up, then they edited to him back - peddling!
I think the "we don't know" what Bruce Lee was like was referring to him being a tough guy and an actual fighter who got in a ton of real fights. Saying "Oh he's brilliant" is something that we can know and he was a smart and wise guy intellectually.
I never knew how to express that thought until I saw the term "edge lord"
Thank you
Apologia5 smart enough to fool hordes of people
Bruce lee was the master of his art-form, we don’t celebrate his records, we celebrate the knowledge, expertise and if nothing else, his speed.
Be water, my friend. Keep flowing.
Bullshit if he was alive now in his prime DJ would fuck him up bad bruce Lee was an actor that trained alot not a fighter
Hes 130 pound of course he is quick.
Bruce Lee was an actor. Get real.
@@kdingo2909 but if Bruce Lee grew up in this Era, and decided to become a professional fighter instead of an actor with the athletic abilities he had back then... You still think he'd suck ass? See the problem with such a debate is that no one knows for sure... Because during Bruce's time there was no real no holds barred fighting contest like the UFC, the closest thing they had was boxing but in terms of regular martial arts like karate, judo etc, there were only point competitions... No full contact fights, so of course Bruce wouldn't have had a record, especially since he chose to use his martial arts training to pursue acting instead of an athletic career...but you can't deny his legacy, the racial boundaries he broke in a predominantly white run Hollywood at the time, his fame, his philosophies and his experimentation with different martial arts styles which eventually inspire the development of MMA.... Bruce is one of the reasons we have UFC today, u can't deny that and I think if he was born in the 80s or 90s and decided to pursue a career in fighting and trained in MMA he would've done really well, but again we can't say for sure... If he was still alive today after having living his life as an actor, of course he would lose today, he'd be a freaking old man for crying out loud lol you expect an old man in his 70s to be able to compete in the UFC?? Really?
So a “badass” has to be a “tough guy” and have a “record.” Get outta here!
Yeah, my idea of a tough guy has always been someone who thinks they're powerful and can defeat anybody, but in reality would lose to a pickle jar lid. Calling Bruce Lee a tough guy is an insult lol.
@winter ride I'll beat u in UNO
rider hehehe funny as
@travelling man Yeah, sure. I bet he wouldn't say that shit if Bruce Lee was still alive.
@Rock Roll he's definitely your favorite fighter's favorite fighter tho
Mr "No Name" is talking about Bruce Lee that he was not good. Really? When most greatest martial artists from that era was praising Bruce for his incredible skills. From Ed Parker to Chuck Norris. Lots of them talking about how great Bruce was. People who have a clue. Jim Kelly, Robert Wall, Bolo Yeung, Jackie Chan, and many, many more. Professional Martial Artists. And suddenly "Mr Nobody" is saying that all of them are wrong. WTF?
Bruce Lee makes Brenden feel inferior and he doesn’t like that.
Bruce Lee was a movie star man. He was only depicted as a badass cause of his character in films. The only people to actually vouch for him being a decent fighter are his own kids and he never even won a recorded fight EVER. He was just a actor full of himself and ego, people on think he was this humble philosopher but that’s only because of the way he talks about himself.
@@The-Roofie-Timelapse snap when you meet him?
@@The-Roofie-Timelapse Hi internet troll!
Bruce Lee can beat anyone.... in the movies!
In reality, Lee would be beaten into oblivion. Fanboys cant seem to find footage of him beating anyone even semi good
Bruce Lee flyweight destroys Brenda shineknob one punch and he can't get over it till this day
This guy doesn’t know anything about Bruce Lee.
@@user-yh6lr8wy9s Yeah but as an actor was pretty fast and strong and we can see this from sport event footage.
@@user-yh6lr8wy9s way more then that btuh
@@user-yh6lr8wy9s Not a fighter? Really? th-cam.com/video/_5KBnA-2NBg/w-d-xo.html
which guy
and you do?
Brendan Schaub you are missing the point, its not about his fighting ability
Brendan you totally missing the point by being a moron, Joe trying to explain to you what Bruce Lee was about, dumass!
His podcast should just be called "missing the point"
@Miles Davidson Yea well Joe is the one to say he will never be a Champion yet proceeded to call Travis Browne elite yet Browne has got his ass beat ever since 😆 Joe started all of this
Bruce fought to teach his art....yes, he could fight. What made him stand out was his ability to keep learning and evolving his art. That and his natural speed made him unique. This is just hate for hate sake from Schaub and his mediocre career.
The point isnt how he fought in the movie. P.s Bruce Lee would beat Brad Pitts ass. The point is that its using a real person in the movie and making him look like a fool. He's not some random dude or some low level ufc fighter. That guy has a legacy so anyone who respected that legacy wouldnt respect seeing him being clowned even if the movie isnt true
I’ve seen the movie twice now and it doesn’t depict him as much of an idiot as Joe is saying. He is there to show how good Cliff is. So when he fights people later in the movie it’s understandable that he’s able to do what he does
Brendan: Bruce wasnt tough, *30 secs later* Bruce Lee was the thoughest
Joe: You're a weird guy
Brendan: 💩
Read the Tao of Jeet kune Do, Lee was brilliant. Brendan, you should educate yourself about the man, and stop acting so jealous. Bruce was a decent man who worked hard to get where he did, and although cocky at times was honest about his abilities. Bruce trained with a lot of great martial artists who all said he was the real deal. Read Bruce's Tao , you will appreciate it.
Brendan agreed with you he just said it was awesome (as in it was funny) to play a reversal of everyone sucking his dick he knows Lee was great just thought it was fun to make fun of him a bit
He literally trained at the Shoalin* temple unless im mistaken
I’m not saying Bruce wasn’t the real deal, but he was 5’ 8” and a 130 lbs. Where as Brad Pitt is 5’ 11” and 160 lbs. Weight classes exist for a reason.
On top of that, Pitt’s character, Cliff, is a Korean War vet plus a very experienced stuntman, meaning he can take some hits. Also, Cliff never actually gets to defeat Bruce in the movie. It’s effectively a draw.
More importantly, the point of that scene establishes the believability of the last 15 minutes of the movie.
Educate himself? You can't even comprehend a youtube video clip
@@Yohannson your mistaken
Lee was always in great shape, but he wasn't that shredded in 1969, when the movie was set. He was bigger and slimmer in 1971, but the actor looked fine. The actor's arms were even arguably too big.
We DO know. He WAS a badass. He was HIGHLY intelligent. Brenden is angry at life because they misspelled his name at birth. Read a Book.
@Marcus Haughney That's it? That was your brilliant observation? 💩
@Marcus Haughney But it does display the intended emphasis that would be done verbally. As this is a discussion medium, there are exceptions for the purpose of making communication clearer. Pretty sure it's done in many fiction stories as well for the same reason.
@@IngobernablesRecords that was brilliant indeed
💯💯💯💯👍👍
We don’t know he was actually a badass
Damn how easy is to hate Brendan just by listening couple of mins of podcast.
He dosent have to be portrayed as an idiot because he is one!
Very
It was just a movie. Don't be so butthurt
He’s a good guy, but it’s usually pretty easy to hate on Brendan in a lot of podcasts.
Facts. Have one of your parents be famous and when they pass and some asshole makes a movie with your deceased parent in it then one can realize what Bruce Lee's family feels about the film direction. It's a disrespect to him and Brendan acts like he knows shit when he doesnt
This reminded that Brendan Schuab's opinions are irrelevant.
Is Brendon the fucking Mexican guy in the checkered shirt?
King Trawal yes
He should stick to being funny with Theo.
Confirmed. What a dope
@Albion Mudd ... Right about what? He flopped like a fish when Rogan disagreed. He's a moron.
Dude Bruce Lee was and is the definition of bad ass. He was very smart and he could fight like nobody's business. He use to street fight in China before coming to the Bay Area. Fighting and training was his life.
no proof he did that, even chuck norris said he wasnt a fighter
ComicBookGuy Henderson there’s a reason he never said it when Bruce was alive lmfaoooo
Five_Water - Bruce has never been to China. Much less fight there. Lol.
How do you know that Bruce Lee used to street fight!? Lol. Do you have video evidence? Or some other type of proof for this?
Five_Water fantasy boy
I really cannot stop cringing whenever Brenden talks.
Seriously he’s a whole cringe who is this guy I just recently stumbled on him due to him being on here like fuck he’s cringe
I can stand this guy... what the fuck get lost..
@@justfit4610 He's a former UFC heavyweight fighter.
🤣🤣😂😂😂
U guys know nothing I agree with brenden
Not the first time Brendan being dismissive towards Asian man.
Any other examples?
When
uluvhere ! I think the Mexican guy in the checkered shirt is kind of racist. I’m not even Asian and I can see that. So don’t be a fucking stupid fuck
Brendan is such a racist piece of shit
Clearly neither of these dudes have read a single book on the subject 😂
Tarintino used "Bruce Lee" to establish Brad Pitt's character as tough. He was used as a literary device.
@jreclips
It's not about Bruce Lee losing, it's not about the bad fighting and acting, it's how retarded Bruce Lee was depicted in the movie. Look at his green hornet casting, he's way more composed than what the movie shows.
Youre a literary device
Scout Brad's character is an insanely tough guy hidden in hollywood, and I think all main characters have their unfinished back story anyway(e.g. Wife killing?), beating Bruce Lee in a real fight wouldn't unnecessarily distract the audience. I'm all for the two having a real reason for conflict, e.g. Some guy saying Bruce can beat Ali, Brad's character doesn't believe it, Bruce doesn't mind trying to show off but unexpectedly loses, instead of being a bragging idiot.
Yeah but then why didn't they just make bruce lee is martial arts teacher everyone that asked bruce received instruction it would have made just as much sense and wouldn't have spit on bruce Lee's legacy
The movie has the phrase “Once Upon a Time” in it. It’s a fairy tale.
That's a good point.
We get that, but do you know anything about what motivated Bruce Lee to make movies?
Yup. It's all about a parallel existence that "could've been".
Good luck trying to get people to understand that.
Not to mention the ending and how that didn't exactly portray what really happened 🙄
Two guys debating the LACK of factual realism in a movie that subverts the most famous murders in Hollywood into a make believe fight involving a flame thrower? Sure, why not... 🤷🏼♂️
i see youre new here on the internet
Cody Dixon haha Touché 😉
No. They're talking about defamation of a historical figure. You would also feel uncomfortable if Charles Manson was portrayed as a child loving priest, wouldnt you?
Adam R. Wood - Editor & Director thts cringe as fuck
@@amjan No because I'm not a retarded autist who let's stories get me riled up
Bruce was a great fighter and man, but Bruce was cocky, he wanted to make Cliff look stupid by knocking him down with the same move and Bruce underestimated Cliff that’s all it was
If Brendan says he's not, then Bruce Lee definitely IS a bad-ass.
Hahaha can’t be more true
Shoeb is a goofball. So glad that joe forgot about him recently. Guy is annoying as fuck with his sunflower attitude and glasschin. He is the type of guy who has 0 talent on wht he is doing yet he is still doing it becasue he has connections.
Amen!!!
He is a badass headkick from Bruce Lee is fast as a boxers jab
@@YourMomsHouse808 Bruce lee isn’t a real fighter sure he does all these flashy flying kicks but as if that what work man would get fucked by a professional
Bruce Lee’s portrayal in the movie was through the mind of Brad Pitts character. It’s how a white guy in the 60s would’ve imagined him at the time. That whole scene was a daydream
Jared it has never been confirmed that Bruce Lee’s character was seen in the mind of Brad Pitt’s character. Quentin Tarantino has made it clear that he believes that Bruce Lee was a cocky person in real life, so it’s pretty clear the portrayal of Bruce Lee is how Quentin views him. The fact is that Quentin has defended that way he portrayed Bruce Lee and if it was only in the Brad Pitt’s character, Quentin would’ve said so.
@@matthew413 yeah... like White people ALWAYS have to be the good guys... kinda get tired of that crap. Rambo takes down several countries with a dull spoon gets old real fast.
@@sociopathfrank1086 And Quentin is pretty cocky and arrogant about his films. Can't wait for the portrayals of him.
@@matthew413 yes, White and determined always wins. Thanks for proving my point. Anyone else, garbage. Why can't Whites take that they aren't always the good guys. And with regards to your Ong Bak reference, should Whites always need to win even in foreign films? Geez... yeah, even in a Thai movie, the White guy just HAS to win, huh? SMH...
@@ricya1982 Damn did a white guy steal your girl or something stop race baiting
That's why I like Joe Rogan.
He really said it ,man, right on the face
" You're a weird fucking guy."
Both of them are wrong. All the characters in the show are real people. Rick and Cliff are based off of Burt Reynolds and Hal Needham(Burt's stunt guy). The only thing about the story that doesn't really match up is the end. Honestly, I think Tarentino wanted to rewrite what happened to Sharon. Instead of everyone dying to Manson's gang they lived. It's an homage
Bruce Lee was taught by a grandmaster. Bruce Lee created his own Martial Arts. And was a philosopher. I'm with Joe this one.
So that means he wasn't arrogant? He was human...like all of us.
@@anthonybrett of course the man was arrogant. I thought it was extreme and poor taste. The man was no average martial artist.
@@evolstrawberry8156 I don't doubt it. I grew up idolising him myself. But the problem is mate, heros all have their faults. I didn't think he came off looking all that bad actually. Lee certainly did talk some shit sometimes...like us all.
You guys met him? No then stfu. You guys heard stories left and right. Hhaha fucking unreal.
How about everybody takes into account its a fictional depiction of late 60s Hollywood, and is written not with the priority of accuracy, but with intrigue and entertainment. Also, having Cliff beat Bruce Lee helps sell him taking on all the Manson murderers.
A - bruce wouldn’t throw flying kicks B - I love how one of Joe’s comments was, “he wasn’t shredded enough” hahhahahaha
Actually, Lee was not that shredded in 1968 . It was in 1972 when he made The Way of the Dragon where he got shredded.
@@joeygonzo i was just enjoying that it was something Joe thought was worth discussing. The shredded or not portrayal of Bruce Lee
that's cause dudes give Joe boners
Rangus he was like 143 lbs lol there’s no way he was on steroids..
@Jerediah Jedi. Bruce Lee was already muscle toned and very strong before he started his movie career in Hong Kong. He also did a great deal of isometric training, which made his tendons super strong, as well.
Damn. Joe was actually annoyed and i’m glad, so was I
One of the few things I can call him a dumbass for thinking. It wasn't tarantino's portrayal of Lee, it was tarantino's portrayal of Pitt's day dream of why they didn't want him on the set.
Jack Thomas well it was a movie, go make your own
What's your address, Jack? You sound like you need a hug. Your feelings matter to me, Jack. I want to help you, Jack.
You pussy Jackie
I don’t think Rogan is correct that Tarantino portrayed Bruce Lee as a buffoon. Rather extremely arrogant, self important and confrontational person which one can argue Bruce Lee really was.
Also Tarantino played cleverly on the rumors around Lee’s fight record, but that doesn’t mean that he’s disputing history with that movie. People who are mad about his portrayal misunderstood the movie imho
The cool thing about Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is that it's in the same vein as Inglorious Bastards, it's alternate history. Events happen differently than they did historically. The version of Bruce Lee in the film isn't a direct representation of him, but the alternate version of him.
It's Tarantino proving once again he's racist against Asians.
Exactly
No way! I thought it was totally real! You’re telling me Brad Pitt didn’t kill off the Manson gang while tripping on LSD in real life?! What would we do without you explaining to us that a Quentin Tarantino movie is fictitious
Let's talk about the legacy of Brandon.
I laughed way harder at this than I thought I would
lets give this a thousand likes
I bet he thinks that he’s more of a legit martial artist than Bruce.
The movie would be called Bro Science Buffoonery
Brendan’s legacy is his Eskimo brother, Travis Browne knocking him tf out.