Canon: Bird Photography with Arthur Morris: Arthur's Gear Bag
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- From cameras and lenses to apparel and accessories, see what gear renowned wildlife photographer Arthur Morris brings with him on a typical trip and why. For more videos from this tutorial series, check out the Canon Digital Learning Center: www.learn.usa.c...
I really don;t understand all the jealous comments :( Arty has earned all the equipment he has now. and he deserves everything he has.
Philip Watson Idiots!
Arthur Morris is the daddy. One can learn so much from watching and listening to him. He shares his knowledge and information freely. With regard to his equipment. You only get out of life what you put into it. There was a time in his life when he went without, sacrificed to obtain that precious equipment. Which in turn earned him the money to buy more. Thank you Arthur. An admirer in England.
Extremely impressive gear collection from Arthur Morris. So far I love my 7D Mark II and EF 400mm F/5.6 as my super telephoto lens, but it sure would not hurt to earn, save up to get a EF 600mm F/4.0 one day......one day! But its all about starting small and moving up in the photography craft.
This is such a valuable and practical tutorial, using the gear out in the wild. I love Arthur's customisations developed over years.
Thank you for posting such a great video
I know this is an old video, but this tip is still relevant, this is why I recommend bridge cameras for beginners. At least a good 1 with a 1" sensor and at least 600mm e.q. because a beginner is not going to know when to swap lenses, also the setup is light so you don't have to worry about tripods and extra gear. You can take telephoto bird pictures, mid telephoto composition bird pictures and landscape or close macro shots of tame birds without worrying about a minimum focus distance. I know you not going to achieve full frame quality, but these zoom cameras teach people the fundamentals of birding such as all the settings, composition and getting close to subjects, soon you can actually be taking professional looking photos with a cheap camera, that's when you know its time to go full frame
One of the best tutorials on the histogram / exposure , I've seen, and I seen them all, very well done I know I'm going to spend a lot of time on your tutorials thank you very much Dave Newby
I just realized, his gear is worth my car.
Incredible collection.
I paid less for my car that the price of any of his telephoto lenses.
Cars are worthless
Dear Mr.Morris, thank you so much for your succinct and valuable advice. The part about the vibrations loose the screws is a very obscure one. I always took it for granted that after the quality checks had been carried out by the Canon laboratories, I need not do anything. Your tips are brilliant. Thank you Sir, Best wishes.
Since you replied I went through your vidio twice. There are about five shots of birds the rest was you talking about your gear. And I;ve got perfect eyesight!!!
This guy knows his stuff, thanks Arthur!
Great video! Where I can find cases for the body like the one he used?
Hi, Markus! You can check our full selection of cases at canon.us/cases
Hope this helps!
Loving the instructional video from Arthur but have to laugh at the really cold morning of 15 degrees. That's summer here in Scotland. I wear a T shirt :). Great work Arthur love your photos and hope to be as good as you some day.
You do realize he's talking 15 degrees fahrenheit, which is I think around -10 C
I know here in 2021 Arthur is not with Canon but what a amazing photographer
Oh man nice gear! I have a aways to go! I am new photographer. I told the dealer I wanted a basic camera to learn with so I bought the Canon Rebel T6 Premium Kit with the two zoom lenses. I also grabbed the Vanguard Espod Tripod. Thanks for showing your gear!
why and how you have 2 of 1dx cameras, 1 of 5dmIII and 7dmII and all those lenses, i only have 700D and 75-300mm III..... iam jealous because i Will not have never going to get even the cheapest 400mm lense :D
+Roope Niemi (GreenyBoo) if you can't afford his gears at his age maybe you should ask that question to yourself.
Gao Gordon true.
Not quite getting the camo on the tripod and lenses and the bright red parka.
+Andrew Jackson The LensCoat is to protect the white finish from dings...
I'll believe ya, millions wouldn't, but I will :). Great vid BTW.
Protection. Every ding makes the lens lose value substantially.
Canon USA please bring Arthur back
Wonderful advice. Study your craft and ALWAYS have your gear
Don't you use the 800mm any more Arthur??
I have the 7D Mark II which I love but since it is a cropped sensor I have noticed very little improvement (if any) in sharpness when trying any of Canon's L's on it as opposed to the cheaper kit lenses. The first lens that has made a HUGE difference is my Sigma 18-35 F/1.8. Sigma is really tearing it up with their new cropped sensor Art line and I'm just hoping they try their hand at some more telephoto options in the near future (I know I know, they have a 50-100mm f/1.8 coming out soon, but I'm talking about anything over 200mm).
arthur your the best photographer around
Great Canon advert!
hey, he uses what he uses...
Thank You very much, your presentation was perfect, I truly enjoyed it very descriptive and accurate and to the point, very enlightening..
amazing explanation and amazing pictures..
can you do a comparison between the canon ef400 2.8 with 2x convertor and the ef 800 5.6 even if you can throw into the mix ef 600 with 2x thanks John
Those are some great pieces of gear, I'm going to go buy one! *looks at price* Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh *faints*
Someday I'll be able to afford these beauties.
Hey, nice video as always. I'm planning to buy the Canon the Canon 100-400 to begin Wildlife photography but I am really hesitating between the 1D mark II and the Canon 40D or 50D. Not an easy choice :(
"It lets you use a wider aperture, so you don't spend the rest of your life cleaning dust".
Sorry if I sound stupid, but I have just no idea what is meant by that.
Could anybody please explain?
Hi Lau! When there is dust on the image sensor or lens, the chance for it to appear in the photo tends to increase as the aperture get smaller, especially against lighter backgrounds like the sky. Using wider apertures tends to make the dust a lot less evident, requiring a lot less time to be spent in post removing dust spots. We hope this helps!
Thank you.
Is the canon 600 mm is mark 1 better then the sigma 500mm f4 sport do you think
No 500?bummer lol
Stunning armoury 🤩👌🏻
Regarding "Circular Warming Polarizer"; do you shoot with AWB? If so, won't the AWB "fight" the warming?
I have a question regarding telephoto and zoom lens cost. I have shot exclusively with Canon since digital came on scene. I currently shoot with a 6D, but for birding I use a Sigma 150-600 contemporary lens. I would love to own nothing but Canon lenses, including the RF 100-500 if I switch to mirrorless. Pardon my ignorance but if a company like Sigma can produce and sell a decent zoom for a decent price, why are the similar focal length Canons not price competitive? When I began birding photography I checked the price of an EF 600 and it cost more than a decent used car at $12,900. I understand that name brand equipment is generally better, but why such an enormous difference? I don’t make my living with this but I would still enjoy using the best, just not at the substantial cost difference.
By the way, love the informative videos.
This caliber of lens includes several handmade components, and highly-skilled technicians must also hand-assemble each lens to ensure they meet exacting standards.
Arthur always saves the best for last: "remember, the cameras or the lenses do not take the pictures, it's the photographer, the person behind the lens..."
So Arthur , Do you actually own these lenses or are they on loan from Canon ??
So dickhead, you probably suck at photography and you're a jealous crybaby. I bet you haven't grown up in the last four years.
Always interesting to see what others carry in their gear bags, my kit is similar albeit I don't have quite as many of the nice new fast Canon glass. I prefer to wear camouflage at least on my upper body, not sure if a red parka helps or not.
Arthur did anyone ever tell you that you sound and look a bit like NY Senator Chuck Schumer?
Why not a bright red jacket
Unexplained lens color ? Discretion begins by white in a green environment ?
I have 2 lenses: the Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II and the Canon EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 III. The camera I own is the Canon EOS Rebel T5. I'm just a beginning photographer. So far, I've taken pet portraits, plane photos, seagull pictures, and close-ups of flowers and insects. I'd love to move on to wildlife photography, but I can't seem to find anywhere in the state of Georgia to see any wildlife. Lol plus I'm broke and don't have money to travel anywhere.
Follow me on Instagram @yes.i.did.do.that
If i won the lottery...You have every Canon lens i would buy
Hi Arthur Just getting started with a canon T5I what lens do i need to get started with for Bird Photos
Would love to be in a position to spend a few hours with this guy in the field.
Thanks for explanation but in 5:00 are you holding gun or camera ?
all his stuff worth more than his car ^^
Pretty much any car.
I bet he has about $50K worth of equipment. So yes, pretty much any car.
Business expense. Just like a retailer has to own or rent a building to sell out of or a manufacturer need a building and the machinery to make the item.
@@MikeJimPa harhar not in singapore. the price of a basic toyota is about 70k usd
what settings do you reccomend for the 7d mark ii and 100 400 ii for static and flying birds . and what seeing for that lens love your videos .also i use apature priorty
+Matt Packer Hi Matt! You're on the right video to learn about taking bird photos! There is no "one size fits all" setting for birding, unfortunately. That's what makes it so enticing for so many professional and aspiring photographers, though! It pushes their limits and encourages them to learn new skills so that they can get the perfect photo with crisp detail of a bird mid-flight!
Can you put 2 TC together ? (with extension tube in between ??)
+Aztec Airbrush Hello Aztec,
The Extender EF units will not mount directly together and we do not recommend trying to combine them The down side to combining Extenders is it created a large light loss, two Extender EF 2X III in use will cause a light loss of 4 f-stops. Placing an extension tube in between will also change or possibly eliminate the ability to focus at or near infinity. We hope this is helpful.
+CanonUSA ok thank you !
I'm really on the fence about this. I'm thinking about purchasing a 2x III converter and a 70-200 2.8 mark II as opposed to buying a 100-400mm II. I've heard contrasting information about this pairing. I've read it's possible to focus with the 2x III and the 70-200mm pretty well with the 5DsR and the 7D II, but is it possible to autofocus with the 6D? The center focus point is able to focus at f5.6, so this should be possible, right? I mostly use the center focus point, so if the other points aren't able to focus, then it's not a huge deal. The idea is that I have an awesome lowlight lens as well as some reach when I need it.
+Brian Wiemer Photography The 70-200 f/2.8L IS lens kills with the 2X III TC....a
hi, im a bit confused with 400 2.8 and 500 4, which would you recommend?
+Gao Gordon Hi, Gao!
Aside from the focal length, the big difference between these two lenses is their maximum aperture. At its maximum aperture of f/2.8, the EF 400mm f/2.8L IS USM II can let in more light, allow for faster shutter speeds, and produce softer backgrounds than the EF 500mm f/4L IS II USM.
A reduced maximum aperture is a natural side effect of a longer focal length, though, and f/4 is only one stop removed from f/2.8. In exchange for slightly sharper backgrounds, the 500mm gets you substantially closer to your subject than the 400mm.
We hope this helps to clear things up!
Hey Gao, I do not love the 400 f/2.8s for bird photography... I own both the 500 II and the 600 II. artie
Thank you!
I do have a Question, As I have been doing quite a bit of wild life photography and now I am going too finally make the move on one of the Canon lenses either 600mm or the 800mm. I am concerned on the size of the 800mm for travel and ease of use and versatility. I not sure if in fact I will achieve the same quality with the 600mm with an extender as the 800mm. Your thoughts please on what you may recommend and why? . I have to say I am leaning towards the 600mm. Thank You. DJP
+David Pellerin (DIESEL) Hi! The EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM lens is not all that much smaller in size than the EF 800mm f/5.6L IS USM lens. However, the 600mm is perfect for what you are trying to do and you will appreciate the quality you get from it. Plus, carrying around an extender gives you the option of both having a 600mm lens and a longer one if needed, rather than just a longer lens. We hope this helps!
don't get whu you would want to use the polarizer filter with a rainbow - a polarizer will make a rainbow disappear - not enhance it ?
Ruben Forlaget Rhodos Hello! Great question! Polarizers have different intensities. The strength of the polarizer depends on how the rainbow will be affected. To learn more please contact our US-based Tech Support by phone or email here: bit.ly/ContactCanon We hope this helps!
WOW. I'll bet my local Authorized Canon dealer doesn't carry all of these lenses and bodies. I'm a Canon guy and I'm in a quandary. I have the 5d MKiii, the 7d, the 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L and a 1.4x ii converter. I fully expect to purchase the 7d MKii and wish to upgrade my lens. New choices by Sigma and Tamron are out there, as you know. So, not having your budget, would you pair up a 100-400 MKii w/1.4x ii, which limits my focal points, or purchase the Tamron or the Sigma 150-600 f/5.6? If I purchase the Sigma or Tamron I can keep my 100-400. If I purchase the 100-400 MKii then it moves on, of course. I'd really like a Canon 500 f/4 IS but 5g's is a reach for a limited use lens. Perplexed. I'd appreciate any input you or your followers might have.
Hi, printit! Thank you for supporting Canon.
The new EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM is a great choice. The improvements in the new lens over its predecessor are significant, especially when paired with the EF Extender 1.4x III. The new III series extenders have better coatings and optical performance than the earlier models.
As to your concern about available or usable focus points, the EOS 1D-X, 5D Mark III, 7D Mark II, and the New EOS 5DS and 5DS R all feature f/8 center point AF capability. All other focus points in these cameras are limited to f/5.6 sensitivity. This means that any lens with a maximum aperture smaller that f/5.6 may not auto focus using points other than the center point. This can occur with variable-aperture zooms that start at f/5.6 but drop as they zoom. A f/5.6-6.3 or f/5.6-8, aperture zoom may focus at its shortest focal length but as you zoom out, the aperture drops quickly to a smaller number reducing the light transmission causing auto focus to cease working with the f/5.6 sensitive points.
We hope this is helpful.
where I can get the Tripod?
i am going to morocco in march i have purchased 100 400 ii for my 7d mark ii would u recommend the 500 f4 ii to rent for had holding ? or should my reach be enough bird bird photography
+Matt Packer While the EF 500mm f/4L IS II USM lens is a wonderful lens for bird photography, you may find it easier to photograph hand-held with the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM lens because of its much shorter length and lighter weight. Hope this helps!
Thanks for the reply also wanted advice on depth of field I have been quite close to some birds in Spain and took the picture but not all the bird was fully in focus even when focusing on the eye. Is this due to the depth of field not being big enough. ? I had 500 length and used 5.6 or 6.3 apature is this because I had such a shallow dof. I should use maybe f8 ? To get more bird in focus ?
+Matt Packer It is certainly possible the depth-of-field was too shallow, especially considering how long of a focal length you were using. In this case, using a smaller aperture, like f/8 or even smaller will help.
There are other factors to consider as well, so if using a smaller aperture does not improve things, our staff of highly trained photographers are standing by to help you with this. You may contact them at 1-800-OK-CANON (800-652-2666) Monday-Friday from 8 AM to midnight ET and on Saturday from 10 AM to 8 PM ET.
+Matt Packer Matt, The closer you are to a small bird, especially when you are close to the lenses minimum focusing distance, the more d-o-f you need. f/11 or f/13 should do it. artie
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You need a giant Peli case 1650.for al that stuff.
Don’t forget some extra SD cards
thanks a lot for the info and yeah maybe they have but I always watch this channel and love how much info I can get and how much I learn from only watching vids =) and my dream is to Photograph Grizzlys and wolf's and deer and eagles in America so yeah lol I think your the best in giving me tips with that but do you think that I can make pics of deer and birds with this Canon 100-400mm because I always see birds but I have just the kit lens from my Canon Eos 70d so I can't come close enough to the birds
Thank you.
As beatifull all this It Is...Is next to imposible for me...almost like a sci-fi movie !!! ....
The Canon SX 70 Superzoom Bridge camera...even though not a professional camera such as these has a much larger zoom that can reach 65x and can extend to a sophisticated Digital Zoom which is Quite Good can extend out to a 130 x zoom with pretty clear results... ( TRY DOING THAT WITH HIS DSLR) AND IF YOU NEED THE SHOT FAST HE CANT SWITCHLENSES FAST ENOUGH , WERE I CAN ZOOM RIGHT IN. PLUS YOU BETTER BE BILL GATES BEST FRIEND IF YOU NEED ALL THOSE LENSES AND LOU FERRIGANO TO HOLD THEM AND CARRY THEM AROUND, NO THANKS ILL STICK WITH CANONS SX70 SUPERZOOM!
Hdr ?
Poor guy, 800mm f5,6 was missing
800 5.6 isn’t that good of a lens. 600mm is far better with a tc whereas the 800 won’t take a tc.
Hi,
I see on your big teles you are using the CRX-5 lens foot,please could you tell me,is that the low mounted one?
Cheers Dave
+dave c Hi Dave, I use the CRX 5. The foot is 5 inches long, the foot is 1.5 inches tall. The lower CRX-5L is also 5 inches long but the foot is only 1 inch tall. Here is a link to the CRX-5: store.birdsasart.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=370 And here is a link to the CRX-5L: store.birdsasart.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=381
I like the CRX-5 so that I can grab the lens easily by the replacement foot. The reason that I use the low foot in the first place is so that they lens is centered over the tripod when you are using a side-mounting gimbal head like the Mongoose M3.6 that I have been using for more than a decade. Get one of those here: store.birdsasart.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=274
All should subscribe to my educational blog at www.BIRDSASART-Blog.com. It is free pretty much every day.
+dave c They are quality pieces. I use the low profile with my 600 II.
hello I have a Canon Eos 70D what's the best beginners lens for bird Photography ? and animal photography I was looking at a Canon EF 100-400mm F/4.5-5.6L or do you have a other lens that's going to work well for me? have a great evening haha I'm from The Netherlands (: but your learning me a lot Arthur Morris thanks for all the info!
+Matje De Zeeuw We think the EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM will work well for your birding photography, but if you have questions, you might want to check-in with Canon Netherlands over at www.canon.nl/ to see if they have any other recommendations!
+Matje De Zeeuw Right now you would do well with the new 100-400 II. It rocks. Get one here:
Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS II USM Lens artie
Arthur Morris thank you so much for your advice you make incredible shots!!! I learn a lot from you :D I'm gonna save money because it cost 2089 euros xD
I would buy EF-S 55-250mm IS stm instead. Why? Because it's made for aps c bodies. So it will give you an equivalent focal length of 88-400 compare to full frame. But yes it has worse image quality, but sharp enough for everyday use.
+Naphon Suvannatat Thanks dude will keep it in mind but I wanna get the 100-400mm because I want the sharpest shots wanna fotograph foxes dears and stuff
I’ll keep my eye out for you Car ! Can you keep everything together for easy access.
Just so you know all your photos are blurry !
"Get on sticks" ie' tripod. Nice!
This is more of equipment display; the images briefly flashed were rather commonplace.
we await your photos that are nice than his.
Mark Delap keep waiting!
the birds are always dressed appropriately
A bunch of lenses I'll never be able to afford. FML.
also make money from it so you can write it off on your taxes. Thatll help BIG TIME on the more expensive things. xD
Okay, now I know what gear I'm gonna get once I saved the 50k.
Pretty obvious that any bird photographer would get a 600mm.
This vid should be labeled ....Arthur's gear trunk. 😊
Oh my god!!! His lens worth more than my car!!! But wait, I don't have a car.... lol... Cannot afford a car yet.
Gift me the lens 600mm
Christmas gift
Can't afford to buy
All well and good if you are a millionaire,
You must have $70 or 80,000 worth of gear in your car. What about the rest of us that have to save hard for a year or more to spend just $1,000 on a camera body or a lens. !
It's more difficult, but not impossible with $1k. You will need to buy used equipment. You can find that the 40d, 50d or some of the older rebels are good and maybe the 70-200 f4 non IS lens within your budget, but you will need an extender for more reach. I don't think this would satisfy you though.
Personally, I say save about another $600 and go with either Canon's 300 f4L IS or 400 5.6 lens and one of the bodies I suggested above and you will have a great starter kit. I started with the 50D and the 70-200 f4 non IS and 300 f4 IS lenses and eventually purchased the 1.4tc for more reach and made many nice images.
Bird/Wildlife photography can get expensive even on the low end equipment. When asked, I always suggest putting funds towards better glass and sacrificing on the camera body because most likely you will upgrade that body; camera bodies are introduced and change all the time, whereas glass don't. As camera bodies are updated, the older, yet still refined version, are sold for a whole lot less than when new. That's when you get some nice deals on some nice bodies. Glass upgrades, not so often (every 10-15 years or so).
You can search you tube and there are plenty video's where folks talk about just what you've asked here. Just be aware that we all have our own opinions, so you will have to do your own evaluation based on those opinions and decide what's best for you. Remember, patience is a good thing here. You don't want to spend your money foolishly.
Good luck.
Check out the sites below where you can get good deals on equipment
www.canonrumors.com/
Fred Miranda, buy/sell forum:
www.fredmiranda.com/forum/board/10
POTN: classified
photography-on-the.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=171
Good luck
Hey Paul, You must have had cotton in your ears while watching. Canon offers lots of great intermediate telephoto lenses for about $2k and the 7D II is about $1700. And Methodical2 is right about buying used gear, especially the 40D. They are available cheap. Same with a used 300mm f/4L IS....
It all seems out of my league. Thank you anyway for replies.
Paul Harding Why does it seem out of your league?
It's. 'out of my league' because I live in the real world.
Remember, you said it yourself - it can get expensive, even on the low end equipment.
"The EOS 1DX professional digital camera body... I have two of them"
+Elijah Otto and 20 of them in the toilet as a wallpaper..
Humille Artie humille !!!
Hi is a walking, talking B&H photo.
So his bag is basically everything for like 20k $$$... nice equipment though.
+Hubieee more like 50k
probably closer to 100 grand. his tripod alone is $1000 dollars. that 600mm lense he held up at the beginning with the 1.4 teleconverter is probably $20 grand alone.
@@jasonburnett5028 those lenses are around 12k both the 600 and the 200-400. the others are over 5 but less than 10. he has maybe 20k in camera's. he does not spend a lot on clothes as seen in all his vids. But really the guy is one of the best in the world so it makes sense he has the gear. My recent back pack blower from Echo was 650.00, many homeowners have an electric or 150. hand held gas, Its all relevant. I have a ton of camera gear and it takes time or else you just pony up and buy it but if you are not selling your photos, and just sending them to friends to open on their i phone, you may not need a few of these items !!
With all of that professional gear, I would expected better pictures in your presentation. I am sure you have better pictures you could have put into this video. Just my opinion. Thanks for sharing.
+TheCloudpuncher it is kind of guy who has money but no taste...agree with you..
+Tome Rodrigo Watch his presentation at B+H. He has some amazing images.
His presentation on B+H is filled with amazing shots. Have a look if you get time. Its very inspiring as well.
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The video on flower photography is awesome too.
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The title is bird photography but all you are doing is showing off your gear, not one shot of a bird. Not every one can afford that sort of stuff.
+Mos Samii bird photography, colon, gear bag
+Mos Samii ru blind, there's loads of photo's of birds in the video, a canon 7DII and a 70-200 f4 is the least expensive set up to start out with, and you can buy these fairly inexpensive as refurbished models, just about under $15-1800 I believe
+Gao Gordon oui
So expensive isn't it 😁😁😁
mostly paid for by canon
Rich guy
lmfao... nice Canon advertisement.....
***** Well this is Canon's channel.
Red is medium grey in black and white... hence the orange hunters wear same results medium grey. (ANIMAL EYES) It will keep you from getting shot by foolish hunters that shoot anything that moves. Be smart... be safe.
Rich men
ahaha Canon is the future Leica...on their way out
+Alex Kerry +Arthur Morris How's that working out?
+Arthur Morris the paid shill responds...ya know, no major body releases for almost 4 years, sensor tech from 2008...even Leica has 4k in non cine bodies now lmao. Enjoy 11 stops of DR until 2020. Bye
There is more money in the trunk of that car than that car is worth.....you could buy a house with whats in the trunk of that car.
After watching this video I am giving up on photography. I don't have the 100 grand to spend on equipment like his and there is no way in hell the photos taken with cheap equipment can compete.
Hang in there..keep shioting..I've been a professional since 07 and only have the 70-200, 16-35, 100-400 and a few bodies for both full frame and cropped...
For nature, I just do a bit more homework on the animals or birds I'm trying to photograph. I end up learning more about their habits, routes, den sites etc and am more part of their world..its a great payoff..
Also if u ever have a golden opportunity that requires a bigger lens, just rent it..
Its all very expensive for sure, but if you love it, Ultimately it worth it and I've seen so many waste big bucks on all kinds of stuff I'll never understand