These 2025 Ford Super Duty Powertrain Updates Are Not A Good Look For Ford...

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  • @matthewanderson9912
    @matthewanderson9912 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    Nice video. In my opinion there’s no real reason for Ford to offer the 6.8 and the 7.3. Both will perform so similar that outside of having timing equipment or the trucks literally side by side driving, you’re not going to be able to tell a difference in them. There’s just not enough power difference there.
    About the 6.8, the shorter stroke should allow for it to rev quicker and easier as compared to the 7.3. If everything else is equal (cam lift and duration, heads and intake ports and combustion chambers and runner lengths, piston designs and etc) then the 6.8 would give up a little low end torque just from the shorter stroke. It would gain the ability to rev up quicker though so just driving it around it could actually feel more responsive than the 7.3 until you loaded them. Then you might notice the 6.8 needing to rev a little more to do the same job as the 7.3.
    But again, both are naturally aspirated small block (yes they are small block Fords) gas V8 engines with very similar power outputs. So they are going to perform so close that like I said, you’ll need a timing system to tell them apart.

    • @skat5268
      @skat5268 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'd be willing to bet the main reason is to placate the government. By offering the 6.8, they can say they're selling a "lower polluting" V8, and may even be doing it to get more V8 numbers in to regions---because they do limit them to certain numbers and have done so for decades. Keep in mind the 6.8 was and is their fleet engine. I remember when my parents ordered their '89 F350 with the 460 (5 speed stick by the way) they had to wait 3-4 months because the government only allowed so many big block V8's in to the WA/OR/ID region of the U.S. I couldn't believe it back then and even more so now.

    • @Baconcomix
      @Baconcomix 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Your trash

    • @jetdriver
      @jetdriver วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And consider that Ford spent big bucks to develop and certify the pointless spin off 6.8. Just so they could make people buy the upgrade to the once standard 7.3.

    • @matthewanderson9912
      @matthewanderson9912 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jetdriver I do agree Ford is really good at gouging their customers. However the 7.3 has always been an option except for higher trim levels. The 6.2 was the standard engine until the 6.8 come to be.
      Atleast with the 6.2 you did get a pretty sizable power boost paying extra for the 7.3. I think if I were buying a gas Ford I’d jsut skip the 7.3 and spend that money on some other option. But I also wouldn’t be surprised if Ford limits options on the 6.8 to force you to the 7.3 lol. It’s really what they do.

    • @jetdriver
      @jetdriver วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@matthewanderson9912it’s entirely possible I’m wrong but I do believe there was a point when the 6.2 went away and the 7.3 was the only gas engine.
      Regardless the fact is Ford spent millions to develop the 7.3 as the new gas engine which could have just become the standard engine like GM and Ramm do. But no they had to spend further millions to develop the 6.8 and certify that engine and its transmission just so they could gouge people on the 7.3. I agree that it’s likely not worth the up charge but the right thing to do would have been to just make the engine standard like is true of the competition. Not to mention not having to spend the money to create the 6.8.

  • @CZ-kz7ug
    @CZ-kz7ug 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +54

    We need a us airforce package that comes with factory diesel epa emission delete plates.

    • @skat5268
      @skat5268 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Rules for thee but not for me...

    • @EarlJames-q3c
      @EarlJames-q3c 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Military has always been exempt from emission laws, nothing new here.

    • @tlr-nut7275
      @tlr-nut7275 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      When the military pollutes, it's ok for the environment.

    • @EarlJames-q3c
      @EarlJames-q3c 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tlr-nut7275 no, but it’s more important to be able to burn fuel sourced from anywhere on the planet when you’re in a war.

  • @briancavanaugh7604
    @briancavanaugh7604 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Unless they changed it for 25" the 6.8 had a cast crankshaft not forged. It was one of the things that gave me pause about the engine. Were that to have changed I would not hesitate to go 6.8. That being said raising the price AND no longer including the 7.3 in XLT on up trims is TWO PRICE INCREASE FORD!!!! Do they think we are stupid? It's as if they are playing a game of "Let's see how much they will take without us spitting on it first......." Screw em, I'm going to look at used 6.2 SD's and pre coup-vid GM's. This LESS FOR MORE BS is not going to fly in our household.

    • @Tony-b8s
      @Tony-b8s 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ford has claimed a forged crankshaft since it debuted in 2023. It’s in all their online spec sheets. That would be a huge lawsuit if they were claiming a forged crankshaft on paper and lied.

  • @tylermacconnell217
    @tylermacconnell217 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    It’s not quite fair to say the 10R100 is the same as the F150 transmission. The 100 version has certain components which are upgraded or heavier duty vs the 10R80 found in the F150. Getting the 6.8L engine means less max towing than the 7.3 engine…which allows for a lighter duty transmission. The lighter duty transmission means a little nicer response and better fuel economy. It’s also worth noting that the F150 engines are equally if not more powerful and torque rich as the 6.8L.

  • @martinmdl6879
    @martinmdl6879 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    The simple Port Fuel Injection without start stop / cylinder deactivation non-sense will sell this truck now, and in the future.

  • @Tony-b8s
    @Tony-b8s 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    The 10R100 is not an F150 transmission. It’s a 10 speed 6R100 which was in the 6.2L Super Duty. The 10R100 is a good heavy duty transmission. I own a 2023 F250 6.8L XL w/STX Package and I have towed my 32’ 8,000 lbs travel trailer with no issues. No power issues, no overheating issues and no shifting issues. I have had it for one year and I put 22,000 miles on it so far. I can only say good things about the 6.8L and the 10R100.

    • @johnfertsch6839
      @johnfertsch6839 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I agree with you. I too have a 2023 F250 STX as well, same set up 6.8L with 10R100 and 3.73 gears and and it pulls my GD 260RB TT 7600 lbs all day long without issues. I'll lock out 9 and 10th out of habit but it's a damn good versatile set up.

    • @stephenplesicj3403
      @stephenplesicj3403 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@johnfertsch6839

    • @ZimmyF250
      @ZimmyF250 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I also have a 23 6.8 STX Love towing my camper with it!

  • @garrettghent2061
    @garrettghent2061 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Glad I got my F350 6.7 Powerstroke 3 years ago for $61G. It seemed like a lot of money back then…

    • @garrettghent2061
      @garrettghent2061 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I just “built” a 2025 spec’d exactly the same as my 2022 and it is now $10G more. Same engine, transmission, features. Same truck. 16% more in 3 years…

    • @mdubz101
      @mdubz101 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@garrettghent2061thank our government for ruining our dollar! Both parties are guilty. Endless approval of borrowing to send money overseas has increased inflation overnight. We the people suffer, they get endless cost of living increases!

  • @mattsmith3305
    @mattsmith3305 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Great video! I don't know who would want to buy a Lariat with the 6,8 gas V8 with that F150 transmission, when you can pay another 1700 dollars for the Godzilla engine and better transmission. Go with the 2024 as you recommend.

    • @Tony-b8s
      @Tony-b8s 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The 10R100 is not used in the F150. The F150 uses a 10R80 transmission. The 10R100 is the 10 speed version of the 6R100 used in the 6.2L Super Duty for many years.

    • @ZimmyF250
      @ZimmyF250 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mattsmith3305 the 10R100 is now the standard for the 7.3 and 6.8. To get the 10r140 you have to get the tremor package with the 7.3.

  • @21psd
    @21psd 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I'm not sure why Ford doesn't discontinue the 6.8 and simply go with the 7.3 as the only gas option. Why would someone choose the 6.8 over the 7.3?

    • @craigs.6642
      @craigs.6642 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Save a grand ... :)

    • @hpkntnw
      @hpkntnw 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Fleets will take the 6.8 all day to save $1,700.

    • @sprint2648
      @sprint2648 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      All about money

    • @ZimmyF250
      @ZimmyF250 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I have a 6.8 I wanted the 7.3 but the 6.8 was marked down 6500 and the 7.3 was MSRP so it would have cost me 7500 extra to get the 7.3. No brainier for me only 25hp and 40 ftlbs of torque I will never notice.

    • @21psd
      @21psd 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ZimmyF250 Yes, in your situation it made perfect sense to go with that 6.8. 7500 bucks is a big difference

  • @arlenboyer-v9v
    @arlenboyer-v9v 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    dont know why ford even bothered to make the 6.8 waste of r&d, i buy a hd truck for a reason why would you want a smaller motor the mileage is about the same i have 2024 f350 7.3 with 4.30 gears why would i want a smaller motor?

  • @davemiller3027
    @davemiller3027 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Great Video on the new engine options.... definitely looking at upgrading my 15 Tundra to a 250 with 7.3. Think I'll start looking for a 24 lariat.

  • @train1962
    @train1962 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ordered a 2024 XLT 350 Super Cab with the std.7.3 on 09/26/2024 after seeing the decontenting on the 2025. Scheduled for 11/18 build week.😊

  • @davidhillbrand2302
    @davidhillbrand2302 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Ford is making some odd changes to their lineups these days. Seems like they are focusing less on the lower level fleet trucks and pushing buyers into higher trims if they want certain features / Engines etc.

    • @georgiagearguy
      @georgiagearguy 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That’s why I love my Silverado 2500 custom with the 6.6 gasser. A lot of truck for the $53k I paid considering I got the Allison too

    • @freedomisntfree_44
      @freedomisntfree_44 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@georgiagearguyyou got the Allison badge 😂not the transmission

    • @georgiagearguy
      @georgiagearguy 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@freedomisntfree_44 I’m aware. Allison signing off on it still gives me more confidence than the 6l90

  • @AximusPrime33
    @AximusPrime33 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Man, Im glad I got my 22 f350 cclb 6.2 with the 10 speed. These trucks are becoming the epitome of getting less for more

  • @brandonknowles99
    @brandonknowles99 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I have been a ford fan for years. Ordered several new trucks over the years. I switched to gmc do to the price rise in ford and lack of build quality. And stupid crap like this expensive truck and ford goes and does crap like this for engine options.

    • @PeeterPuncher
      @PeeterPuncher 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Get the Mechainic Coming!!!...Between the transmission, valvetrain, and DI fuel injector issues on the 5.3 and 6.2's, the ford 6.8 and 7.3 will outlast ANY gm junk lately.

  • @thomascochran3740
    @thomascochran3740 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Also keep in minda the 6.8 is a flex fuel motor...where i live in california its about a buck cheaper a gallon that regular. That might be desirable for fleet owners to save some money.

    • @Icutmetal
      @Icutmetal 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Buy a cheaper fuel that delivers less value…what’s the net gain?

  • @gwendolynbrown9386
    @gwendolynbrown9386 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thanks for the information on the Powertrain!

  • @SliderFury1
    @SliderFury1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Put a pedal monster on mine (2024 F350 w/7.3), it actually smoothed out the shifts.
    I think it kind of makes sense, that 10r40 is meant to take more torque and manage higher rpms so when I'm putting my foot down and the pedal monster is giving it a certain percentage extra, it's pushing it to a higher rpm more quickly that it's used to, making it shift more deliberately, instead of "thinking" about it so much.

  • @johnparsons6860
    @johnparsons6860 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Did I hear no more Limited package is going to be available for the 2025 S/D ?

  • @ZimmyF250
    @ZimmyF250 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It also looks like when building the new 2025 superduty the 7.3 now comes with the 10r100 if you get the tremor package with the 7.3 then you get the 10r140.

  • @itsallgood7483
    @itsallgood7483 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why are you testing the 7.3’s acceleration performance in the Eco Mode ?

  • @DillonPrecisionFan
    @DillonPrecisionFan 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Comparison of the 6.8 and 7.3 torque curves would be interesting, see if the 7.3 makes more torque down low....where it is more important.

  • @sheepdog1102
    @sheepdog1102 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They always do the right thing for themselves!😮

  • @cliffh8486
    @cliffh8486 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They had to change pricing because people are going away from diesel. It’s not a lot, but enough to make more money in the pricing strategy

  • @kanenmoffett9539
    @kanenmoffett9539 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    10R100 means it has a 1000 nm rating.
    10R140 means it has a 1400 nm rating.

  • @cliffh8486
    @cliffh8486 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I bought a 6.2. I like it does fine for my needs

  • @hpkntnw
    @hpkntnw 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    1:10 the 7.3 has a forged crank, The 6.8 does not. When it comes to longevity and duty cycle that’s a big deal.

    • @ZimmyF250
      @ZimmyF250 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have not found any official documentation to support the 6.8 having the cast crank. Only speculation and rumor.

  • @itsallgood7483
    @itsallgood7483 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The 2025 7.3 actually cost less than the 2024 model , it’s priced at $1000 for the F-350 and you also get a $1000 discount for the STX Package now . I just ordered a 2025 F-350 Regular Cab 7.3 LB 4x4 loaded and the msrp was 62k and after all incentives it came out to $52,900 which was about $2500 less then the exact same 2024 I ordered that was sold out from underneath me by an unscrupulous Stealership …. 2025 hopefully will have the AC and DUMMY Front axle hub issues fixed by then ….Win/Win !

  • @erikswensen425
    @erikswensen425 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You gotta do your towing test with that 6.8 Shawn, you got the 6.8 now lol

  • @AkioWasRight
    @AkioWasRight 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Are these engines still having lifter issues?

    • @rockie307
      @rockie307 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Doesn't seem to be. The internet panic of the covid year models seem to have died down. Sure a few will always happen just like any engine but I would say 2023 and newer are good to go and odds are slim.

    • @SliderFury1
      @SliderFury1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@rockie307this is what I've seen too. Quite a few with this issue in 20, 21, a bit less in 22, a lot less in 23, and I don't think I've seen any on 24s yet.

    • @dmandman9
      @dmandman9 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ford discovered that the lifter issue primarily occured on trucks that did a lot of idling. Seems as though the oil pressure was too low. They had a recall for the early engines where they programmed the variable pressure oil pump to produce more pressure at low rpms. That seems to have solved the issue

    • @wakeupamerica2024
      @wakeupamerica2024 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@dmandman9Ford has not pushed out the update to any dealers yet. No one has had this recall performed.

    • @dmandman9
      @dmandman9 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@wakeupamerica2024 I should’ve said Ford believes it has solved the issue. By the way, we got the notice as of September 11,2024 the software became available for all except the 2020. So this recall has been available to us since then. It’s only the 2020s that can’t be reprogrammed yet. The recall # is 24b27

  • @rockie307
    @rockie307 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ive got a 2023 7.3 and with the 10r140 I do understand that alot of work trucks never tow much just haul max payload in the bed and in this scenario the 6.8 with the smaller transmission makes since. The 10r140 is definitely overkill for the 7.3 it's internally the same as the transmission they put in the high output with 1200 ft lbs. I'm sure fuel mileage will be better with the smaller 10r100 and 6.8.

    • @blakew1026
      @blakew1026 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The ones behind the power stroke has a couple more clutches and an extra planetary set compared to the one behind the 7.3.

    • @rockie307
      @rockie307 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm no expert but according to one I know lol. They are 90% the same but have different programming and torque management to prevent the diesel from tearing it up with 1200 ft lbs . The 7.3 isn't powerful enough to need to limit it it's not capable of tearing it up unless something is defective. It's supposedly more reliable in the 7.3 with half the torque and will most likely last longer. Not knocking it and overkill is definitely never a bad thing durability wise but it's a monster attached to a gas burner and I'm sure either the smaller transmission will be fine with the 6.8 or 7.3 and probably save some fuel.

  • @fireflyraven2760
    @fireflyraven2760 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Don't matter to me i won't but a truck past the 2024 model year the only thing i'll touch past that is the the yukon denali ultamate and maybe the new ram hd

  • @mred3660
    @mred3660 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I saw where it looked like the 7.3 was coming with the cheaper transmission for 2025 that’s behind the 6.8 hope that is a configurator era

    • @SliderFury1
      @SliderFury1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I heard this too.

  • @user-br5di8qk6x
    @user-br5di8qk6x 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The 7.3 is standard in the 350. 6.8 standard in 250

  • @985shane
    @985shane 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There's no substitute for the 7.3 Godzilla.

  • @JustAverageJeff
    @JustAverageJeff 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I want a diesel but I just don't even care to get something 21 or newer. Preferrably 2013 or older.

    • @Icutmetal
      @Icutmetal 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Seems relevant.

  • @Retadin
    @Retadin 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ford charging more for less as usual. Pretty sure the 6.8 is just a 7.3 with a shorter deck. Kinda like the old 5.4 vs 4.6.

    • @Vernon-nd2yc
      @Vernon-nd2yc 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      No just shorter stroke

  • @DirkDiggler-p5q
    @DirkDiggler-p5q 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Its just plain stupid for Ford to offer two gas engines in the F250

    • @sprint2648
      @sprint2648 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s an old trick about making money by up charging for a bigger engine.

    • @ranger8901
      @ranger8901 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They did it years ago with the 5.4 & 6.8(V10).

  • @JohnDiMartino
    @JohnDiMartino 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The 2025 lariat is missing a bunch of things,the keypad,power tilt telescopic ,real leather is gone. Not happy about that.

  • @DerekDunifer
    @DerekDunifer 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    It's shrinkflation. Less features, cheaper features, but also more money. Awful.

  • @georgemartin9478
    @georgemartin9478 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great information, thanks!

  • @BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel
    @BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The ford would stop having so many engine failures if they used 0w40. The Ram engines last twice as long as one of the reasons is oil quality.

  • @skat5268
    @skat5268 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They could solve a lot of problems, complexity, and gripes if they would just give us the choice of manual transmissions again...

    • @dmandman9
      @dmandman9 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Very few would actually buy it. It might not even be profitable to offer it. When they last offered a manual, I could count on one hand with fingers left over the number in our area that had it. It seems to be something a lot of people say they want, it very few actually choose. 😅

  • @bigbadbob143
    @bigbadbob143 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have a 2023 Lariat Super cab HO Long Bed. I will never want a crew Cab Long bed. It adds another 18 inches to the truck. My truck fits in my garage by 20 inches. I am very disappointed

    • @panthermartin7784
      @panthermartin7784 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lmfao if your parking a HD in a garage and complaining about room you probably dont need a HD and obviously didn't think about that before buying , who tf doesn't take into consideration where the truck is getting parked overnight before purchasing? 🤣🤣

    • @bigbadbob143
      @bigbadbob143 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@panthermartin7784 I am not complaining about the size of my super cab long bed. I am complaining about ford eliminating the super cab. I carry a 58 gallon transfer tank and a tool box, and a goose neck 5th wheel. A perfect fit.

  • @johnallen8248
    @johnallen8248 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    More compression = more wear

  • @RustyShackle-v9u
    @RustyShackle-v9u 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As if Ford wants to sell the 2024 over the 2025. Less for more to help move stagnant inventory. Ill just look for a used 6.2 6 speed. More proven set up lower purchase cost in a nicer looking truck.

    • @MrPeacekeeper44
      @MrPeacekeeper44 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If that was their plan, it's a terrible plan. When you redesign in 2026 and add features or make a better design, how would you ever get rid of your 2025 stock? Making a newer inferior valued product to help get rid of older, superior valued product would be the most short-sighted move for any manufacturer.

    • @RustyShackle-v9u
      @RustyShackle-v9u 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MrPeacekeeper44 Maybe just maybe the car manufacturers know the car market is about to collapse and there is a possibility for a bailout like last time.

  • @joseramos7476
    @joseramos7476 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    as expensive as they are and now more gimmicks to get you to spend more and a price increase, yeah this is out of control.

  • @GIGABACHI
    @GIGABACHI 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why even bother making a 6.8L version off the the 7.3L V8 ?
    Performance wise and fuel consumption are too close.
    So what's the point ? Then later they bitching and moaning about how they are not making money. 🙄🤦‍♂

  • @ericmackison9517
    @ericmackison9517 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bore is the same so they can use the same pistons... The trans is the only reason I'd upgrade to the 7.3. Bullshit marketing at its finest, been their plan fhe whole time to get more money out of people

  • @msm624
    @msm624 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Didn't know yet got rid of the 6.2

    • @Icutmetal
      @Icutmetal 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Huh?

    • @Ryan-u5f
      @Ryan-u5f 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What

    • @msm624
      @msm624 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I didn't know they got rid of the 6.2 L

    • @Icutmetal
      @Icutmetal 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@msm624 Seriously?

    • @Ryan-u5f
      @Ryan-u5f 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@msm624 Ah, yes. Indeed they did.

  • @jerrybockes4769
    @jerrybockes4769 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    2 engines that are damn near the same and yet ford just has to have 2 different transmissions… I love ford but they do the dumbest shit sometimes

  • @thomasbordi8726
    @thomasbordi8726 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I cant believe you are doing this??😢😢 GMC or CHEVROLET .. I SEE YOU ARE USEING REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY " YOUR BUYING THE BEST SO THEY HAVE PROBLEMS.😮😅😊