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- Former evangelical leader Josh Harris posted on Instagram that, upon deciding to divorce his wife, he no longer was choosing to live according to Christian values: “As a pastor I, I excommunicated people. And you know I excommunicated myself essentially.”
He did NOT invent purity culture. He may have popularized it, but he ain't the inventor
That's true...
Some guy is
No one in the history of earth was pure so please gimme a break with the purity bull shit
@@georgemonde8237 are you stupid? You clearly missed the point of what I said.
@@georgemonde8237 how did you get pro purity from my statement? You didn't. You're just butthurt
It startles me that people leave church for realizing they’re a sinner and don’t measure up to the law; that’s when you go into church. Jesus came to save sinners, if a sinner can’t go to church, that church doesn’t preach the gospel of Jesus.
Can you show me where the gospels of Jesus are?
@@myasin1286 Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Paul wrote extensively on the subject in question in the book of Romans.
@@mikebrines5708 So Paul personally knew Jesus? Was Paul there at the time of Jesus? Was Matthew, Mark Luke or john with Jesus when he was on the Earth? Cos as far as i'm aware Romans gives 3rd party accounts of Jesus without providing factual evidence. None of the "characters" have surnames including those who, so called, wrote the gospels. Their characters are neither corroborated by anyone or by those who knew them when they were alive.
The first records of any gospel are found some 60 years after Jesus left the Earth so the authors could not have known Jesus personally.
There are no records of factual accounts of what Jesus actually said with his own words. No record of his likes/dislikes or what his mother (Mary) describes of his character or what he said. Mary would have outlived Jesus yet there are no recorded accounts of what she said why?
Jesus played no part in the writing of the bible. he didn't request that it be written neither did he say his followers should believe in the bible and thats a fact.
@@myasin1286 Paul met Jesus on the Damascus Road. He was there at the time because he started by persecuting Jesus' followers. Are you aware of the Book of Acts? Matthew, Mark, and John were Jesus disciples. Luke was around at the time. Your Biblical history is sketchy. There ARE accounts by eyewitnesses, but you discount them, then state your opinion as fact. If you go into this with all the answers what do you hope to learn? Or do you just want to mock the rest of us and "set us straight?" If you go looking for Christ you will find him. If you go looking not to find, you won't.
@@mikebrines5708 if you believe in Jesus then you would believe in what Jesus believes in and you would r reject what Jesus rejected. Your comment snacks of hypocrisy.
Jesus didn't believe in the Bible, neither did he read it or preach it. Yet you believe in the Bible.
Jesus didn't believe in the cross yet Christians believe in it.
Jesus didn't believe in the trinity yet Christians believe in it?
The disciples you claim that were with Jesus are not the same ones you claim who wrote the Bible. Can you give me their surnames? Their father's names?
Prove to me Jesus was seen by this so called disciple on the road to Damascus? Any eye witness?
Can I go back to my original question. Where's the gospels of Jesus?
Jesus said, "Follow me", He did not say "Follow my people ".
Its too bad so many people lose their faith when church leaders are human.
Today's evangelical leaders are nothing more than political puppets. They are power and influence hungry. No wonder ppl are leaving in droves.
Jesus of the bible is a lot different to modern evangelical leaders
Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
Some Christians can't bear that anyone could find fault with their precious beliefs. So they'll blame anything and everything except the beliefs themselves. Josh is pretty clear in saying he finds many things about Christianity objectionable. It's not Christians he has a problem with.... it's Christian doctrines. He didn't like himself as a Christian so he said enough is enough. As a famous atheist once said... I have no problem with Christians, it's your beliefs I can't stand.
But what he's saying is in the bible. God had the ten commandments and Jesus added even more rules onto that. Very specific rules on how you're supposed to live. He even says that the way is narrow and few who find it. What do you think that means? It means you're unlikely to be living a life righteous enough for God to accept you. BECAUSE OF ALL THE RULES THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE TO FOLLOW! You basically have to be a monk.
He said follow my Church (that which the gates of hell cannot swallow). But Protestantism is not the Church because it has no apostolic succession. It is the fruit of heretical and peevish men not the faith once handed down - hence 40,000 denominations. But that all makes sense when you think about the fact that although Calvin, Zwingli and Luther all agreed that the Scriptures were clear on everything they all disagreed with each other angrily about specific and vital doctrines. Open your eyes Protestants and come back to the Church that came into existence on Pentecost, not the one that got mad at Rome and gave birth to the “enlightenment” which generated modern atheism. Eastern Orthodoxy is the only true faith.
At the end of the day, we need to think for ourselves.
Andrew Cornelius ..... and pray
@@jmdsservantofgod8405 "just to make it today"?
MCHammer
Actually doubtful mind helped me to get strong faith. Once upon a time I left Christianity for 1 month and cry daily then God resurrected my soul. Hallelujah
At the end of the day, all we do is think for ourselves and justify the way we want to live. Everything is a choice. We choose each day, each hour and each minute.
I'm a Christian. Who do you think makes the decision when I'm crossing the street if I'm not thinking for myself ?
God doesn't call you to not think for yourself. That is just a weak misconception adopted by atheists looking for something to comfort the abiding, deep seated anxiety they carry at the thought of possibly missing out on heaven.
Those who claim this man caused them to marry the wrong person are irresponsible and take a "victim" mentality. We all live in the marketplace of ideas and possibilities for life; we all follow a teaching or idea or lifestyle at our own risk.
@@mochafudgetruffle Meh. I'd be sympathetic if they grew up in Scientology or Ger Hasidim, but gimme a break: Josh Harris' former church, Covenant Life Church, is a non-denom, evangelical megachurch 30 minutes outside of DC. Its adherents, like 99% of the U.S. population, have plenty of access to the world of other potential paths. "I blame my pastor" is such a weak argument here.
@@prometheusrex1 i take the responsibility for all of my decisions and actions, but if you haven't been a part of a cult, even this one, you really won't understand what it's like.
I was brainwashed into a non denominational church at 16 and fed this crap. 10 years of trying to maintain a "pure" life and suffering intense guilt at any sexual thoughts about women fucked me up. I feared hell fire and damnation any time I masturbated. I can see why he has guilt about the whole thing. I get angry at the time I lost to be a normal teenager and young adult. Luckily at 26 years old I was able to break out of the brainwashing and accept scientific fact and evidence. I saw my life as a lie, but I was a gullible teenager who was prayed upon by fundamentalists. So there ARE victims of these teachings. Young people who haven't experienced the world and even themselves fully are lured into living lives that are not truly who they are.
Exactly!
While I can see where you're coming from, not everyone is a critical thinker and can realize the absurdity of religious claims. Many are indoctrinated by their religious parents which can have a long lasting effect. It's not necessarily a "victim mentality." There are terrible causes and bad ideas that get promoted on this planet. It's our responsibility to point them out.
Respect this man for atleast not hiding who he is...a lot of ppl stay in church living the same way
Hallelujah!
True
Nothing to respect.
Only God is worthy of all reverence and respect praise and glory.
I cannot respect a deserter a man who went AWOL a coward in God's army if he ever was in God's army.
May God have mercy on him and anybody like him.
That is true. He was honest.
@@barbaramartin5495
You sound just like the Muslims when they speak of apostates.
Abrahamic religions are brutal. I suppose they have to be in order to survive.
I was handed his book at 12, back in the 90’s.. and I read it.. and rejected his ideas because I thought they were ridiculous. Now in current times I’m on the opposite end of the spectrum than he is. I’m 100% serious about living my life according to the Word. How does he think he ruined people’s lives by telling them to be pure? This world is so backwards..
You are supposed to experience this life yourself. How are you going to tell someone to live pure?? You know how much damage that does to someone? They start to fear dating and never even have relationships. America is a selfish system yes, however this doesn’t mean go and read an organized book organized for propaganda control of humanity. It is that stupid bible that’s caused all the harm.
This is what happens when u have religion and not relationship.
Just religion, having a relationship with an imaginary friend is not healthy
Logical Atheist but believing that everything came into existence by a “big bang” theory is healthy?? To believe that all of CREATION does not have a CREATOR is healthy?? Ok bud
@@a.d.c7941 big bang theory is not a belief, it's a scientific fact, true regardless of belief... It's been demonstrated, observed, you name it... But that doesn't rule out what caused it... Alot of Christians I've talked too believe it was god who started big bang, the truth is absolutely no one knows, and we may never know...
Creationism is just a religious whim, nothing supports it in reality.
Not every theist believe in creation.
@@a.d.c7941 people think it's a god that started the big bang because of the gap fallacy.
Gods use to fill gaps for not understanding a phenomenon...
Example to this, we don't think gods are behind lightning ⚡, we know how lightning happens now...
Logical Atheist we know how lightning happens? Ok. U also know how to cook a chicken. Or a hamburger. But who created the chicken and hamburger. Heres the thing, whether u believe in God or not is always choice. But one day, u r going to know for for certain. Id hate to be on the wrong side of that knowing on that day. U can live your life in the comfort of u knowing that theres no God, but one day when u die, are u gonna have a very big awakening to the realization that u were very wrong. Its very possible.
I read Josh book when it came out. It sounds like Josh was steeped in legalism, not true salvation. I pray that he will come to Christ and experience his grace and mercy.
I agree. I think His faith was very rooted in legalism and "religion", not in grace and truth. Sounds like codependency behind it all, too.
I agree. Most professed Christians don't rely on the blood of Jesus and what He did for us for salvation. They start living the life of law keeping and lifestyle to think they are saved. But the Fact of the matter, is We are saved the very second we believe Jesus saved us. Forevermore.
Though ironically, evangelicalism is a religion that professes to be irreligious. Yet it's still so religious.
@@lchimenz We are saved through faith NOT of works, BUT faith without works is dead. For example, you cannot say you believe its going to rain but you dont take an ombrella with you because then you are a hypocrite and true faith requires action and requires that you take an ombrella. The same with God we are saved through faith BUT if we say we have faith and that we love our father is it OK for us to sin repeatedly and saying it doesn't matter its ok I am saved because I was born again and received the holy spirit, its okay if I sin. Here is what the bible says:
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
And it also says:
"For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt."
"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries."
You say we start living the life of law. But that's not entirely true because if we are start living by the law we die from the law because the law condemn us. None will survive from the law because none is innocent and without sin, thats why we need Jesus and his grace. We DONT live by the law, BUT Jesus said he that loves me follows my commandments, and whoever does the will of the father is my brother and my mother. So we dont live by the law BUT we follow the law so we can please God and live a holy life. We do it for Him, not because we are going to be judged by the law, but because if we trully love him we must FOLLOW his law and his commandments and do his will.
Lastly, if you read revelation Jesus is talking to the 7 churches. From those seven only 2 are found to be doing Gods will. The 5 are warned to repent or they will perish. Jesus himself has sent us his holy spirit to guides and correct us, shows us what we must do. If we dont do those things and we go against his will you think thats OK?
Is it ok to sin, after receiving the knowledge of truth?
Doesn't Jesus say if you love me follow my commandments?
We are saved through faith NOT of works. But faith without works is dead. The bible says He that overcomes and endures to the end will be saved.
Theres a difference between legalism and doing Gods will and following his commandments. We are condemned by the law thats why we need grave but Jesus tells us to do his will and follow his commandments. Because he that says that is a christian but not follow the word of God and doesn't do the will of God and follow his commandments is a hypocrite and God is going to judge Him.
many people marry the wrong person who hadn't read the book too, so? i been married 5 times and i never read his damn book. At some point people need to stop blaming others for their bad choices. smh
Absolutely 👍💯
And you dated, right? What if your parents and your church leaders taught you that dating was wrong and you kind of had to marry the first person you gave your heart to and stay with them no matter how miserable you are you might have more sympathy
@@john005ca3 yadda yadda yadda yawn ''virtuous one''
@Season1 better2 Exactly. My big blind spot was i bought into this idea that no one is bad, only ''calling for love''. So i was going to fix everyone. I was just a stupid, naive young woman. ''love them until they love themselves''. Over and over. Took me a couple decades to get it through my thick head that I have to accept people for who they are and for what they say they are, not as i wish. And if i can't accept that, then i just need to stay away. I been happily single for 6 years. I do have the greatest friends and I am happy about that and happy not to keep pulling them into drama anymore as well
Agreed. Many people made mistakes and didn't marry well. He needs to forgive himself.
I remember when his book came out. I never read it myself but it was insanely popular in youth groups.
It caused so much damage. All the Christian men stopped pursuing Christian women
It really led to the exodus today because so many young girls were lied to and manipulated by it being told that if they had premarital kissing let alone sex they were like chewing gum, used and worthless. It was really disgusting. Honestly almost every couple that I know that read it and got married (usually in late teens early 20's) ended up either in horrific abusive marriages or divorced with a ton of trauma. I can place probably 50% of Millennials leaving Christianity on the shoulders of the fallout of the teachings of purity prosperity and Josh Harris and that book.
Let's hope those Christian men prayed to God before they did that huh? and if they didn't let's hope those women became Christians too...
Wow your an inspiration
So many people of that era are still waiting 30 years later single and miserab for there godly spouses their promised to magically show up based on a 19 year Olds dating experience assumption. His book caused people’s resentment towards God and dating opportunities they should have not rejected. The entire book contradicts courtship dynamics and skills and it contradicts God’s grace.
As a Christian, I respect him for his honesty. A lot of people would probably continue to outwardly identify as Christian while living out their own unbelief and diluting what it means to be a Christian. He is honest enough to call a spade a spade when he's clear that he's not a Christian.
Peter, James, and Paul diluted what it means to be a Jew/Christian
@@letsomethingshine Jesus wasnt born to no virgin thats for sure.
@@letsomethingshine whats that mean?
@@ClamSavior ??? says you
Wtf🌈
Josh Harris's book and teaching caused me so much trouble and pain and sent me on the Wrong path with dating and relationships. I believe his message was Never from God. God doesn't send people to Increase pain and frustration. A good minister sends Peace amd Clear Direction. I pray for those hurt by his bad leadership!
Absolutely. They are years that we’ll never get back. In the end it was probably all about power and ego and he played the role of God.
what happened did you marry the wrong woman?
I was about 19 or 20 when his book, I Kissed Dating Goodbye, came out. I was dating a young man my age, whom I was very much in love with. He read the book (I did not) and announced he could no longer date me. Even though we were both quite young, 21 years later, I still can't believe he took that one book so seriously.
@King White Knight you’re asking for a friend, right? 👀😜
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Heartbreaking ! Hope you are having a wonderful life now.
Sounds like you dodged a bullet.
@@danroux4010 Or he did.
He did it in his own strength. He was doomed to flash and fail.
If my spouse renounced Christianity, I still wouldn’t leave them (considering they remain a decent person). I gave you my word on the alter that for better or worse, I’ll love you. So, where else would I go? So long as he doesn’t deny me, I don’t think I could divorce.
@Sgg Ffgg *wakes up*
I have to agree with you.
@Sgg Ffgg if that means you stop writing to me, yes, I’m willing to demonstrate that I have no evidence. There. You win your internet debate you wanted so badly. So go on and brag to friends and family and whoever else has to wake up everyday and simply tolerate your pretentiousness that you’re smarter than a Christian. Have a good day.
He wrote the book when he was a 20-year-old kid. It's difficult to have sympathy for anyone who absorbed it like it was gospel.
Unfortunately, the ewes in the pews have been so poorly taught that they will grasp at anything hyped to bring them closer to God. Evangelicalism became the Christian Coalition and Voting Block -- brewed up with an EYE of NEWT Gingrich. Today, they pretend they are Jews awaiting their Warrior Messiah who will destroy the enemies of Israel (after restoring the Temple in Jerusalem).
Those ewes have no idea of what Jesus said about that Temple. So many are being so poorly taught. We were supposed to be preaching the Gospel of Jesus' Love to all the World -- instead We Teach WAR.
It's time to STOP Blaming and START Repenting. Jesus NEVER taught war Matthew 5: 44-48, Matthew 22: 36-40. Matthew 7: 21-23. Matthew 10: 34-38 (Red Pill vs Blue Pill? God vs God vs God vs God vs Not God))
Most men and women are nearly deaf and blind spiritually. There are fewer than 500 million truly God-conscious souls alive on Earth today. Don't take my word for that -- exercise FAITH -- speak with thy God thyself -- to get in shape for the Awakening.
@Mike Simpson Was Trump really chosen by God to restore the Temple in Jerusalem? What did Jesus say about that Temple?
Not one stone shall remain standing -- behold, your house is left unto you desolate. Never, EVER, is a Chosen One revealed in John's Apocalypse. There's an Epochal Eclipse April 8th 2024. Exercise faith -- speak with thy God thyself (not THE god) to get in shape for the awakening.
@Mike Simpson Mike Pence, Mike Pompeo, Mike Huckabee, Trump's entire religious council of Fake Ewes and even Netanyahu and the Kushners. OF COURSE YOU DIDN'T say it -- but neither have you been paying attention.
It does not matter what you or I believe, THEY believe -- and they are in power. And that is a FACT, that should not be ignored.
How about to believe in a book with talking snakes and people living inside the belly of a fish for three days? Whats the difference?
@Mike Simpson Do I believe in faires? Who told you that?
We need to kiss legalism and misplaced fear goodbye, but let’s not think that kissing biblical truth goodbye is how we get there.
Pray for Josh who has publically renounced his faith recently. This rubber band effect often results out of people's experience with religious control, which many of us were taught under. When our choices don't produce outcomes that we were assured of, we have decisions to make. After that, many either trust God as He really is and love Him, or they will walk away from faith completely.
This is sad...when leaders use their family relationships or authoritative roles to control the vulnerable, that is one level of power. But when they bring God into it, their power can seem almost endless. For young people of real faith who want to please God, those in biblical authority connected to "the truth" hold massive power. I mean, you go against them and you are going against God?!
As a person who loves God and senses His presence in my life, I still sometimes work at separating cult-like teaching from truth. Only by God's grace have I remained in Him and deeply interested in knowing the difference between, darkness, false teaching, and the true light of His tender voice.
"When you have a base such as believing that the bible is absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt the words and actions of an almighty deity your done"
*Actually, the EXACT OPPOSITE of that is TRUE. You yourself are PROOF of this*
"As far as the bible goes I believed it was the word of God for about 56 years"
*No, you didn't. You were just parroting a different set of protocols. You dont know anything about the Bible or you wouldn't be sitting there lying through your teeth*
"Then one day I started using my mind."
*Proverbs **14:12** "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death"*
"critical thinking"
*You dont know what critical thinking is. You've bought into the lie that 'critical thinking' is the main tool of the Skeptic and so you perceive critical thinking as OPPOSITION RESEARCH. It isn't. Some of the finest minds in history have used REAL Critical thinking to look at the Bible and discovered incredible things. Your problem is youre just another run of the mill fool who never believed in anything*
""When you have a base such as believing that the bible is absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt the words and actions of an almighty deity your done""
*Are you aware of the conclusions made by Sir Isaac Newton after studying the Bible for more than 5 decades?*
“From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
John 6:66-69 though storms surround me and doubts assail me, I will not walk away from the One who has the words of life.
Christopher Hynes there are plenty of other versions of the Bible you may get more out of.
That’s it! There is no one who loves us more. We don’t know but it is possible that Josh has chosen having a gay relationship over being in an intimate obedient relationship with Christ. For sure, at the least, in his own words he is not living a biblical lifestyle. Lord, let him see you clearly and the depths of your goodness and draw him back to yourself.
He left Christianity, he didn't leave Jesus.
nobody asked you for your contribution, wanker@@raybez777
It's sad to me...it's like he went from legalism to lawlessness. It just shows how desperately we need Jesus. We can't figure life out on our own. We desperately need His love and truth to guide us each day.
As a new atheist, I can tell you that leaving Christianity was the best thing that ever happened to me. I feel nothing but pure peace. If I need Jesus so bad, then explain the peace.
@@pwoods100 I think it's because when we let go of expectations/rules, we may initially feel release or even peace. However, we can't see what the results will be in 5 years or 10 years. For example a woman may decide to be sexually "free" as in no boundaries sexually. It might be fun and exciting at first, but if she receives HIV or Hepatitis B, her "peace" will probably turn into fear.
@@kristineakana7771 "I think it's because when we let go of expectations/rules, we may initially feel release or even peace."
Exactly. That's what the bible is - expectations and rules. If it wasn't, then you wouldn't need the bible - period. Once you let go of it completely - you don't have to worry about it anymore. I can't see down the road 5 years and ten years, but when you realize that the earth is round, you can't go back to believing it's flat. I know for a fact that the message of the bible is immoral, therefore i cannot go back to believing it's a good message.
"For example a woman may decide to be sexually "free" as in no boundaries sexually. It might be fun and exciting at first, but if she receives HIV or Hepatitis B, her "peace" will probably turn into fear."
People I know who are "sexually free" set boundaries for themselves. Why shouldn't they? They just don't have to rely on a holy book to tell them what their sex life should be like, or whether or not they should be married.
Just like most Christians - you'r thinking the worst possible consequences for someone else's sex life.
@@pwoods100 We could never fulfill the law by living a perfectly righteous life, only Jesus did that since He is God. He took my sin, your sin. and the world's sin to the cross. There on the cross, He suffered God's wrath because God is holy and every sin must be brought to justice. People, every day slip into eternity because they don't receive Jesus' blood bought payment for their souls, they reject God and His gift and suffer in hell, eternally separated from God. Sinners are not saved by doing good and following rules, sinners are saved by God's all consuming grace that was poured out through His blood on the cross. After His blood was poured out, He trampled death and sin by coming back to life. When a Christian follows Christ, it's living a certain way (sexually pure, honest, upright conversation, faithful), we do this because this is how Jesus lived and we are supposed to be an example to this dark world of what the light looks like. God forbid that we would be hypocrites! We also walk like Jesus walked, because we love Him. The world may come up with their own boundaries, but God's Word is the ultimate standard because It is, it has always been, and it will always be. He loves us, He did everything to win us. But He also loves us so much, to give us freewill. He will never force someone to accept His grace or walk on His path, but we will be without excuse when we stand before Him.
@@kristineakana7771 Okay, now you're just preaching. It will do you NO good. See ya.
Joshua becomes liberal, then becomes atheist. Kanye becomes conservative, then becomes Christian. Odd, that.
The purpose of excommunication is censure of last resort and its purpose is always to bring people back to the right path of fellowship with Christ.
I've never understood how that could work. Any person, friend, family or anyone who cuts me off will only make me want to keep myself away for good and not want to see them again.
This really breaks my heart. I was about sixteen when I Kissed Dating Goodbye came out. I read it, but didn't really think of it as my guide for my life or anything. Just food for thought. Some people took it way too seriously. I don't think that was even his intention back then. I really heard the pain and guilt in his voice as he was speaking in this interview. He is heavy-laden with guilt for supposedly messing up people's lives (which he really didn't, people make their own choices). He needs to go to the Lord for rest. Praying for him.
@Skinny Bones Jones A) He wrote a book based OFF OF scripture- not based IN scripture. The Bible honestly has very little to say regarding how to begin a romantic relationship with a member of the opposite sex. B) You may be baffled by how unbiblical our nation is, but remember, we do not live under a theocratic government. Not everyone in our nation is Christian. Though you may not like it, it would be wise to be understanding of that. C) You cannot definitively say that courtship IS what God intended. You can take the few passages of scripture referring to romantic relationships to interpret as such. However, you cannot truly state that as fact. While it is certainly not true of all people, I would argue that most people date to find the person they are intended to be with. Approaching a relationship with the idea of courtship carries so much weight and pressure. I know of many women in the church who seem to think every offer a date within courtship means it'll lead to an offer of marriage and that is simply not true. Contrastively, I know many men in the church afraid to ask out a woman/begin a courtship, because of the intense pressure they may feel to rush into marriage. Courtships can fail. Dating relationships can also come to an end, as they should if they two individuals decide they are not right for each other. It IS possible to date without making out or giving into sexual desires.
Skinny Bones Jones All I was trying to say is the dating vs courtship argument shouldn’t be such a controversial topic within the church. There is a subtle difference between the two. If a couple is engaged in a Biblical practices, it really shouldn’t matter. The church puts too much emphasis on pointless things like whether or not it’s ok to kiss before marriage, or even hold hands. Books like the ones Harris wrote suggested kissing your partner prior to marriage is potentially wrong. I cannot agree with that.
I do not know this man but will pray for him that he sees the light in the distance.
Re: "making out," there's not really any biblical basis for prohibiting it. So now people aren't even supposed to kiss? Sometimes Christians just make up extra rules for fun, I think.
sorenpx --wwwwwWHAT??? Bible tells us to flee fornication, tells us to abstain from all appearance of evil, tells us to guard our heart, because out of it, the wellsprings of life that determine our course, and much more. There is no way for two flesh and blood people of the opposite sexes, (who are attracted to one another) to make out, while simultaneously giving everything they've got to loving God back by obeying those Commandments.
Jesus Christ is Real. Put your trust in Jesus Christ. Not people.
@Von Fields It really is that simple but it's not easy. Not called the narrow path for nothing.
@Von Fields No, you didn't. I did. Read up. ^
The entire Bible is a fallacy.
@Von Fields We all sin, and fall short of the glory of God but.
Proverbs 24:15-16
New King James Version
15 Do not lie in wait, O wicked man, against the dwelling of the righteous;
Do not plunder his resting place;
16 (A)For a righteous man may fall seven times
And rise again,
(B)But the wicked shall fall by calamity.
@Von Fields That's why I say put your trust in Jesus Christ. And he will lead you to the right people. Have a Blessed day 🙏
This book impacted my life and help me to set boundaries and to walk in purity and holiness. He shouldn’t apologize for writing it but he should apologize for turning his back on God. That’s what happen when our heart starts to turn cold, every biblical principles seems wrong to us. How sad
Well said. May God have mercy on him.
I looked up Joshua Harris and saw the video, I can't believe it. When I read his book, it felt so genuine and real, I really think the ideas in the book are lifechanging for a lot of people. It's rough seeing a strong believer give up.
This is so helpful! Thank you for speaking out.
Matthew 7:14: "But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
That verse should terrify everyone. Their eternity is at stake.
Amen
@Christopher Hynes Read the Bible bro. You'll get the answer to your question there not on social media and not from asking people.
@Christopher Hynes If he did that, people like you would get in. That's the last thing He wants.
@Christopher Hynes When you stand in the presence of God on judgement day you will not even be able to open your mouth. Everyone got the freedom of choice. Life or death. So if you choose death dont blame God. Don't act like your better than God. Instead of cursing God, go out there and make a difference in this world and if you cant be bothered than shut your mouth and leave GOD alone cz he is doing his part.
His book was legalistic which shows that he didn’t quite fully understand who God is...but I hope he’ll find his way back and that the lord would pull him back
I think I would sadly agree with you on that. His book was exactly that- moralism and Christian culture driven. Very sad.
I guess only you fully understand God 😬🤕
Today's evangelical leaders are nothing more than political puppets. They are power and influence hungry. No wonder ppl are leaving in droves.
Jesus of the bible is a lot different to modern evangelical leaders
No one understands god, just an imaginary friend for the weak minded. None have ever been demonstrated to exist...
@@logicalatheist1065 Get off your high horse, Mr high and mighty.
it takes a lot of courage to admit you were wrong and truly repent. I was angry at him for years, now I just hope he finds peace. More than that, I want so badly to heal from all the legalistic nonsense that buried itself in my psyche because of his book.
The book is christianity represented correctly, you need to dump religion. If only this guy could unpublish the bible he would save much more people.
@@tbcstuff3634 I see what you did there. It's called obfuscation. Christianity is religion, but you have somehow redefined the meaning of *religion* in your own mind.
@@darlenegriffith6186 Huh?
@@darlenegriffith6186 Christianity is a religion based on a book written by many different humans who heard voices or experienced hallucinations.
Not one word of the bible was ever written directly by god.
A god so powerful that it creates the whole universe but can't send us an instruction book directly?
Actually Christianity is not a religion at all. In stark contrast to all religions of the world Christianity is a relationship with with a loving and living God. I never jumped on the bandwagon with Josh Harris' book when it came out because actually the idea seemed stupid. It was indeed legalistic nonsense and Harris rather than trying to leave God behind needs to learn about grace. If Harris is truly born again he may try to leave God behind but God's not going to let him go. God will continue to pursue him until he is plum worn out and falls on his knees before the grace and mercy of God. If he wasn't truly born again then his flight will be roughly that of any other unbeliever.
I pity for the people he preached the last 17 years....
I was repressed for years by Josh's book "Not Even a Hint" however I'm glad to see Joshua take responsibility for the hurt his book caused and that's all I could ever ask for. Thankfully I'm on the other side and I forgive you Josh!
My parents were so vehemently against dating that they wouldn't even let me read this book because it had dating in the title. But they must have read it, because dating was absolutely off the table for me as a teenager. I followed purity culture to a tee, I had no boyfriends before I started "courting" my future husband. My first kiss, not only with my husband but ever, was at the alter. I was the poster child for the perfect way that Christian girls should be. And then 8 years later I chose to leave my husband (and very loveless lonely marriage) to actually find out who I really am as a person outside of the incredibly controlling and manipulative Christian environment I grew up in. And now 5 years later, I am in an amazing relationship pursuing my dream career and I have never been happier. To me, this is Josh Harris's redemption arc and I am so happy for him.
Yep, religion is toxic and untrue. All those things you were taught was to control you
I don’t know how to take your comment... I actually don’t know what to say. but I’m sorry for those negative experiences you went through
Did you dye your hair pink and get a tattoo sleeve?
@@UnderHisHand I definitely dyed my hair and continue to do so! No sleeve yet lol. Maybe one day. Those are pricey!
Sorry to sound harsh but with what's going on nowadays in public schools, this generation would be better off with parents just like yours
Tragic and sad. My main issue with him was how he and other church leaders covered up the sex abuse that occurred in his church by their own youth pastor. The victims were very young children. The church leaders including Joshua told the victims parents not to go to police. Joshua harris also failed to report the sexual abuse to police. That kind of cover up is wrong, totally unacceptable. Joshua Harris , thank God your not leading any church, you made it dangerous and unsafe for children in the house of worship! I feel pity for him and his future. A life without Christ is a path of darkness, he is a lost man.
To be fair to Joshua Harris, he himself was a sex abused victim in his church when he is a very child. He did what he did, because that’s what happened to him. Its a sad vicious cycle, but I’m glad that God bring it all to light.
www.washingtonian.com/2016/02/14/the-sex-abuse-scandal-that-devastated-a-suburban-megachurch-sovereign-grace-ministries/
The main issue is that they misunderstood a lot of verses. Like Matt 18, 1 Corinthians 6 etc. It shows it so important to study the Word in context and have right understanding.
Quite the opposite. He's finally found the truth
@blooming orchid Evil is common everywhere in the world. It isn't more common in the protestant churches than the orthodox. I mean, you cannot even compare. Sin is sin; evil is evil wherever it is found.
@blooming orchid Thanks for your thoughts on it. I also have done my own research and we can talk about the uncountable number of kids this happens to in the orthodox, even in Rome, and is covered up. Whatever it is, I don't want to have this argument. Sin is sin anywhere it is found.
I'm sure the fact that the evangelical publishing industry crowned him a certified guru when he was barely finished with puberty has NOTHING to do with his disillusionment. He's just a thoughtful guy asking questions. That's all.
He's honest. That's great
As a Christian, I would say he has done more than most church leaders by admitting his wrong and stepped down but a sound bible believing Christian who lives the life should talk to him.
Absolutely. I appreciate his honesty. I just hope he chooses to repent instead of running away from God.
Dude, Joshua Harris has a much better understanding of the Bible and it's history than you do. It has nothing to do with talking to 'real' christians so he has the 'right' interpretation. He, like thousands of others know the book well and reject it on its own lack of merit.
@@ap4thy1 understanding and living the scripture are 2 completely things. You probably know much more than me and most people in the world. Maybe even in the 1% of the most knowledable people in the world but its the doer of the word that profit. Love your neighbour as yourself or do you sound like a sounding cymbal
He should really seek, God for himself. Stepping down is , but do not give up@ REPENT and do your 2st works over.Denounce sin.Don't be in love with sin. That much. You have some what let us know you were Gay and living the life style. While you were married. Repent to God and seek him, like your life depended on it. Because it do!
@@ap4thy1 HE realize he was wrong and drawn, away from his own lust. He is not saying. The Bible is wrong. He realize he is wrong. The sin lie in him. Josh, get away from, those people that is whipering, in your ear. You know the truth, and it will set you free!
I feel sorry for him.. he is so brave 'coming out'... We are all aloud to evolve and change... He has said sorry... We all should take responsibility for ourselves..rather than blame others... But as a victim myself (with purity culture etc from a young age).. It is hard and need to forgive of course..
He sounds like a pharasee he followed rules. He’s a religious man. He didn’t have a true relationship with Jesus. Now Jesus can truly reach him & teach him what a relationship looks like.
noni relationships have rules, do they not? How would having a true relationship, as you state be any different?
@@fernandoalarcon8534 you are correct there are rules but when you are a believer in Christ and you have the Holy Spirit the most important thing to know about Him is that He is full of mercy, grace and love. Some things we can't do by ourselves only the Spirit of God can do it for us. When this man's marriage ended, for him it meant he didn't follow the rules well enough when in reality he should've been leaning on God. He couldn't save it so he thought he wasn't being a "good christian". He's trying to save himself thereby leaving no room for God to work. He has it backwards. Only now will God be able to truly teach him mercy, grace and love. His next book will be more balanced now that he's about to learn this.
@@NoniBeckham, Most religions control people with two doctrines: reward and retributions.
Notice how present this guy is in this interview. This is what authenticity looks like.
Authentically gay? 🤨
Your in love admit it
Praying for you Josh.
I wish I had access to the full interview.
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; “ 2 Thessalonians 2-3
You've been saying this for 2000 years and nothing has happened lol. Stfu and live your life now
The Church has been falling away for hundreds of year and has fallen fast since the late 1800s when dispensational theology was first introduced. Christianity today is simply churchianity and looks very little like the ministry of Messiah Yahshua.
@@youssefabdelaal434 Ironically Jesus said you would say that 2000 years ago,
_in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. Saying 4“Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation._
*You just fulfilled another sign. From the bible 2000 years ago* Here is the answer Jesus gives - That same verse Continued ---
5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world of that time perished in the flood. 7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
@@OfTheiAm So true..good verse..also, Jesus knew that people would say he was delaying his coming. He may be..but time is short. God takes a long time to move suddenly..and one day, soon I believe, he will. Look at the days of Noah..eating n drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until the floods came and swept them all away. So shall it be at the end of the age. I wish people would realise that this is no joke!
@@youssefabdelaal434 The Evangelicals who proclaimed Trump "Chosen by God" in 2016, have become the synagogue of Satan because they pretend they are Jews awaiting the WARRIOR MESSIAH who will destroy the enemies of Israel. They no longer bother to teach Jesus in many of their churches. Luciferians hide in plain sight on Trump's religious council as FAKE EWES. MOST men and women (14 out of 15) are nearly deaf and blind spiritually. And so many have been and are still being horribly taught.
The WAR: God vs God vs God vs God vs Not God begins this Christmas Day: every desperate nation and peoples for themselves . . . in the Name of GAUD (Matthew 7: 22) Grand Architect of Ur Destruction -- Abraham's Ur.
Then, the Jubilee to forgive ALL THAT DEBT, usher in the Neo Eon Currency, and reveal Lucifer 8.0, the sentient machine with the plan to perfect humanity -- culling the Unfit. Before the NEON GAUD, we had no Qualified Judge.
Hegelian Dialectic: Thesis Antithesis Synthesis
GOD no god NEON GAUD
"The Great Falling Away." " Thessalonians 2:3
I am praying for you Josh Harris & many others who the enemy has deceived & taken into his lair. I pray you all will return before it's too late.
You said we always need God be it on the fine and bad day.thank you very miluch pastor God bless you
You must be born again. When I got saved I lost my appetite for sin. We have an enemy and he is very crafty. God is still real and just because someone denies Him does not change the fact that he is real.
Josh, I love u. I used your books to lead teens and even though I am a freethinker now, I genuinely thought I was doing the right thing too. It’s ok. I’m proud of you and I’m glad you are brave.
That is why you are a freethinker, perhaps the clue as to why he left is in your attitude, past and present.
Josh had a relationship with the Lord. I was a part of PDI , later to become Sovereign Grace Ministries, where Josh was a pastor. So I'm VERY familiar with Joshua Harris and his mentor CJ. I believe Josh loved the Lord. And Anyone who thinks it is easy to walk away from Christ and the Church has no clue . So I have alot of respect for Josh. He left it all and paid a high price; he lost leadership, respect, money, his marriage, friends... All of it.
I applaud him for his authenticity. It took courage to reveal that his beliefs and thoughts had changed after making it as a widely read author.
But changing one's mind/belief doesn't make it correct. All it says is that he changed his mind/beliefs. This pretty much happens to everyone -- I mean changing one's opinion and also then back again. We humans are fickle and unreliable.
He said it changed because he couldn’t hold to the standards, that doesn’t disprove anything my friend. He never had the Holy Ghost, that’s the reason that he changed his beliefs.
Is he gay now 😧
Are u clapping lol
The saddest thing people don’t understand is that, God doesn’t need anyone’s approval for His being Glorious; whether we worship him or not it is for our benefit. He was being worshipped by trillions and trillions saints and angels and more in the past, He has been worshipped now and will be worshipped forever. But this story is one of the many unfortunate. (Isaiah 40:8-9)
To add to it, Paul says the same in Acts 17 on the Areopagus, God is not in any need of "therapous" or "therapy", i.e., "help" from us!
@@George-ur8ow Paul didn't write Acts. the author of Luke did.
Read Galatians 3:3. "How foolish can you be? After starting your new lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?"
Lol someone with imaginary friends wants to call someone else foolish. Hilarious.
The Nine Satanic Statements; Statement 3: "Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit".
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See? I can quote from a book too. At least I know for a fact who wrote mine. ;)
James Sullivan god is fake
@@SailingSeignior Better than believing in a Giant space fart that made everything from nothing and governed our laws of physics to DNA, That complexity like this came out of a thoughtless Explosion from ...nothing.
Of The i Am Interesting. There’s actually proof of the Big Bang. What proof is there for a god?
I pray that God will lead him back to the fold. He is honest about his faults & a truly repentant heart is seen by God in His love & mercy.
Jay S I love u and God loves u too. 😀
True, but a lot of people feel that way.
This is a man who still needa to hear that Jesus loves him...Thats all he needs..Love of God
Kelvin Mawira I’m sure as a pastor he never heard someone say “Jesus loves you “? You are really oversimplifying his dilemma
No
He needs to know the fear of God
Proverbs 9:10
He seems to want to the love of man tbh. Seems to always need an audience. Not healthy at all.
I think he knew that at one point. To tell him that again is empty words. I hate to be negative, but it needs to be said.
I was a part of PDI , later to become Sovereign Grace Ministries so I'm VERY familiar with Joshua Harris and his mentor CJ. I was born again and "followed the Lord" for 14 years, then walked away from it all when I realized what a sham it all is. Walking away was extremely difficult because I was walking away from a life, friends and relationships that I built over 14 years. Anyone who thinks it is easy to walk away from Christ and the Church has no clue and is not exercising the "grace" that they proclaim to be the recipients of through the sacrifice of Jesus. I have alot of respect for Josh. He left it all and paid a high price; he lost leadership, respect, money, his marriage, friends... All of it. So don't hate him before understanding him.
In the last days there will be a falling away. He is part of the falling awsy
How can you prove it?
And you are part of the problem
@@hybridhazza Thanks mate, see you in hell.
He has never been a Christian. He self- ejected himself. The fire of God kicked him out.
easy approach to every hard case... Judas was never an apostle abi? There's a call on believers to hold on strongly to their faith and it is surely for a reason.
Do you think Joshua ever felt himself as a true believer?
Toss away your god. Take me instead. I don't let hell exist. I am a toadstool bread.
@@talktomeaboutlife yes it is possible. One key strategy the Enemy uses is to raise doubts in our mind and heart.
@@chukwuemekamusic6635 So then, you think it is possible for someone to truly believe they are saved, but in fact be completely wrong, and they were in fact never saved?
Never turning away from God my Father, Jesus my Lord and Savior, or The Holy Spirit who leads me. Ever.
If it makes you happy, keep going. But you would not be the first to say those words and change your mind. See how you go. We can only continue to live in that which we truly believe.
@Season1 better2 So one can not believe the metaphysics but still do good for purely humanistic reasons and they'll be a'ok, is that what you're saying? Cause a great many other people in this thread would probably disagree with you, sad to say :P
@Reconstituted Redeemed2 Why does one need to do good in the name of Jesus? Why not do good simply because it does good?
@Reconstituted Redeemed2 But why not let what good you do stand on its own feet. Does it really matter to you that all the good you do should be remembered forever? Wouldn't you still do good things even if it was eventually forgotten?
@Reconstituted Redeemed2 So you don't think it's good enough to do good in this world, and for those to have significance here and now? You personally feel your deeds need to have significance beyond that?
There are a lot of untold things behind this and it’s not just about the book I believe..
I think so too 🤔
I also believe this... we are in perilous times.
I believe he lost faith because following Jesus became a burden.
I was a part of PDI , later to become Sovereign Grace Ministries so I'm VERY familiar with Joshua Harris and his mentor CJ. I was born again and "followed the Lord" for 14 years, then walked away from it all when I realized what a sham it all is. Walking away was extremely difficult because I was walking away from a life, friends and relationships that I built over 14 years. Anyone who thinks it is easy to walk away from Christ and the Church has no clue and is not exercising the "grace" that they proclaim to be the recipients of through the sacrifice of Jesus. I have alot of respect for Josh. He left it all and paid a high price; he lost leadership, respect, money, his marriage, friends... All of it. So don't hate him; seek to understand him.
You can see how much guilt he feels for the unintrntional harm he's done to people's lives. I don't think it's totally his fault, but it is admirable that he's done everything he can to not let that harm continue, and that he decided to hold himself to the same standards as everyone else. Sometimes all we can do is move forward and try to do better with what we know now.
His book implies that you can’t date and if you stay pure before marriage God promises you a great marriage but in reality if you don’t date to figure out what you do and don’t want in a partner you will likely pick the wrong one.
He has no guilt
@@thewrongshoes Yup that is exactly what happened.
What harm has he done? I dont get it. He doesnt believe in this crap anymore and he is just honest about it.
Your a total ‘woke’ weirdo
i was young christian when his book was popular. i was tempted to buy his book but thank god wasn't hardcore christian at the time. and this is what probably saved me from entering a rabbit hole that ruined so many peoples lives. i attended his church a couple of times he even personally welcomed me. this goes to prove even good people are capable of making it up as we go along in this life thinking that god is leading them.
Yeah, religion ruined my life...thankfully I outgrew it and joined reality
@@SUGAR_XYLER not everyone can stand up to the devil. its not for everyone
I am just wondering how his book ruined someone? I read his book "Boy meets Girl", And it is helpful. It inspires me to be pure and be really cautious on choosing the right spouse.
@@vrproduction2248 did you really need a book to tell you to choose the right spouse? He doesn’t even follow his own books anymore
@@ronaldtrunk7944 i need advise, and the bible is a book that has shown me guidance in life. But that doesnt mean that its the only source of guidance for me. His book is based on the bible principles. That’s why it helped me.
For people to blame him for messing up their life is why I always say, Stop putting your expectations on Man - they will let you down Everytime. Ijs 🤷🏾♀️
So true.
Interesting I found it was god who let me down
candyslice I would say his interpretation of God let him down. Erykah Badu told David Banner to never let someone else put their influence or their interpretation of God on you. He has nobody to blame but himself.
Very true. I stopped putting my trust in men years ago.
True but he does bear some responsibility. In fact the scriptures says he will have a harsher judgment.
In the last days the love of many will grow cold. Many will abandon the faith. We are in the last days people. I pray that God will turn people from darkness to His Marvelous Light. Amen
That's precisely the trouble: "the way he defines Christianity". Christianity is not "being perfect". The very message of the gospel of Christ is grace for sinners. Believers don't stop needing God's grace and forgiveness just because they start believing in Jesus. Our righteousness is not defined by our good deeds. It is imputed to us by Jesus. We will continue to sin until the day we die and our righteousness is made complete with a new body that doesn't sin. Josh's doctrine is all messed up. He is blinded by strict legalism.
A new body? Do you mean that literally or figuratively?
@@Rawdiswar I mean literally, but the new body will be a spiritual one according to 1 Corinthians 15. Read that chapter as well as Philippians 3:21 to see how the Bible describes the "new body"
James Sullivan ..... terrific explanation!
James Sullivan Hi James I agree 100% . Those who are taught falsely a works based salvation and then teach it will come to a place of condemnation realizing they will NEVER meet God's standards.. It happened to me when I went through a dark period of fear of losing my salvation because I felt like I was always letting God down. Jeremiah 33:3 changed my life, and was the turning point in receiving confirmed revelation of the gospel of grace. It restored my joy, and I was free from worry and condemnation. Its refreshing to see someone ( you) who understands the true gospel of grace!!! Its sad for us to see people deciding to just stop believing. But from what I see, and know about scripture is these people who "turn" or "fall" away were never truly born again. Jesus tells us in the seed parable that one specific group will have fertile ground for the seed to grow..Very sad indeed. We need to pray for the folks at his church..God bless
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Pray for him. There's more here than meets the eye, I think.
Please pray for me... I'm a deacon in my local church and I've been married more than once but my pastor doesn't know this. I'm having trouble with my wife and kids (3 boys & 2 girls). I've decided that I will tell my pastor about my previous 3 marriages. I've also decided to tell my family that I will be transitioning to live my life as a female. I will make this announcement at church next Sunday. I would like to continue to serve as a deacon in my church.
@@Jaxon5209 "I've also decided to tell my family that I will be transitioning to live my life as a female." Just wondering why you have decided to do this? God chose to create you as a male! Pray about it before making a massive decision like this - fast and pray, don't give in to feelings and emotions on a whim - there are people out there who wish they hadn't transitioned!
CerddWen What makes you think he hasn’t anguished over this for a long time? Do you really think he just came up with this idea a few hours ago? “Pray it away” never works.
Jon Campbell Please prepare yourself for excommunication. I don’t think any church can accept someone who cannot play by their rules and still let them maintain membership. I am assuming this is a christian church. Accept yourself for who you are and move on. You don’t need to subject yourself to an illegitimate authority. There is abundant life outside and roses to smell.
@@Jaxon5209 Endure, endure endure and start praying and seeking God my friend. Fast. Do what you have to do to find God. This is exactly what the devil is here to do. I have seen so many people falling these last days. The great falling away. Jesus is coming. God created you as a male. Stay that way. Its a spiritual battle, the devil is attacking you. God will never break up a family. You are perfect the way you are. Go do your research, people who change usually still have problems, its a mind issue not a physical issue. Remember not OUR will OUR desires, BUT Gods will. Picking up our cross and laying our wants down and putting OTHERS first.
My husband was consumed with demons. A regular christian man, with 4 kids.Ready to divorce and leave his family, breaking our childrens hearts. I cant tell you what these demons made him believe, but he got born again last year, like really knowing and speaking to God for the first time and he is a NeW man. Now he is worshipping the ground I walk on. Point is, God transforms what you cant do in the flesh. You need to make that appointment with Him and really meet Him. I will be praying for you!
I pray for you brother, that God restore you and bring you back to your first love in Jesus name.
Practice right reltionship with God thru Jesus Christ, dont practice religion.
Sumerians
That's where all the Religions come from
@Steph's Chihuahuas Just ignore them - they come on TH-cam to goad people because it gives them a thrill! Don't fall for their childishness, it's not worth it!
He is not your brother if he renounced Christ...please understand what he is saying and what he has done
Amen
Thank you for stating it! There is joy in knowing that we are love and perfect love casts out fear. Fearless living filled with the fruit of the spirit. WOW!!!!!
We are not love, God is, we are sinful human beings. Its not good to only have one fruit. If we have The Holy Spirit, we will have all the fruits.
One fruit, many...??? FRUIT.
Thanks so much for your honesty. For me it was the list of "Do's and Don'ts" that made me feel inadequate and further away from God. Finally I decided to leave church, not saying everyone should, but I needed to be uninfluenced and started studying the New Covenant on my own. See in the beginning I was sold out on the unconditional love and safety in the Saviour. Although having good intentions, when churches preach law it becomes a whole legalistic religious organization that robs us of our true identity and freedom that we are supposed to have.
What I found is that religion says "Fix yourself and God/we will accept you" while the original Gospel says "Come just as you are and I will give you righteousness/(okayness) as a gift". Religion says "You have to work hard to stay forgiven and right" while the true Gospel says "With a single sacrifice I have made you perfectly accepted and irreversibly forgiven for ever". Religion says "You have to work to get close to God" the Gospel says "You cant get closer to your Father as He is in you and you are in Him". Religion says "God is in love with a future version of you" while the Gospel of Grace says "Dad loves you as you are right now unconditionally and is NEVER GOING TO CHANGE in this irreversibly restored relationship". Religion says "You are not good enough" and the true Gospel of Grace says "You are fully accepted, with a new heart which is righteous, holy and blameless. That's your identity, now live from your heart and be yourself". Religion is a bunch of rules to follow as a prerequisite to acceptance versus the Gospel of Grace providing immediate irreversible acceptance which will produce the "works"/performance over time, but our performance is SECONDARY to the "Work Christ did". This reveals a bit of what I found please see this link for more: th-cam.com/video/RHxbZEwbhHg/w-d-xo.html
This is 8 years later, in the mean-time I started a small bible study group where everyone is on the same level and unconditionally accepted, where their opinion is valid and important.
God's love.
“The SPIRIT expressly Says that in The Latter Times some shall depart from The Faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons.”- 1Timothy 4
My brother, I have struggled with a lot of things even lived a life contrary to His word. Even though I was brought up in the church I still walked away from our Lord. For over eleven years I did my own thing having no regard to the truth, it has been a tough road to travel. But, by His grace & being being led by the Spirit willing giving myself unto Him I have that it was He that changed me. Only coming back to Him a few months ago. Reading His word & spending more time in His presence has reminded me of who He Is. It may have taken me a long time but now I know God's nature never changes - He Is and always will be.
Praise GOD Brother! I Rejoice to hear that you are Seeking The LORD and have returned unto HIM! HIS Patience and Mercy is truly beyond comprehension. When you truly Seek HIM you are guaranteed to find HIM as it is Written in Hebrews "without Faith it is impossible to please GOD, for he who comes unto GOD must Believe HE Is, and HE is a REWARDER of those who diligently Seek HIM."
If I could give you a word of Exhortation and Encouragement, it would be what GOD has really began to reveal to me and teach me on what this Life HE has Given in CHRIST is all about and how to live Victorious in it. It is all about Beholding HIM Attentively with unveiled face through HIS WORD and in daily Fellowship in Prayer and Praising HIM, and as you do you will be Transformed from Glory to Glory by The SPIRIT Of GOD.
Also, it is all about Abiding in JESUS, and reckoning yourself as being actually dead, that The Life of CHRIST may flow through you. As JESUS Said a branch cannot bear fruit unless it abides in The VINE, neither can we unless we Abide in HIM. A branch does not strive to bear fruit, it simply Yields itself to The Will of The VINE and The VINE gives Life from itself to the branch and supplies all that the branch needs to grow and bear fruit. Also as we continue to Surrender to HIS Will The GREAT VINEDRESSER will Prune our branches that we may bear even more Fruit.
You have been made a New Creation in CHRIST, the old things have passed away, therefore let The Cross of CHRIST utterly Slay your old man and leave him buried in the grave, and Walk in The Newness of Life according The SPIRIT and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. As Paul said "I am Crucified with CHRIST, and yet I Live, yet not I, but CHRIST Lives in me, and the Life I now Live I Live by The Faith of The SON Of GOD Who Loved me and Gave HIMSELF for me."
Fix your eyes on JESUS, The AUTHOR and FINISHER of our Faith, our HIGH PRIEST Who can sympathize with our weakness and supply all we need to Overcome. Let us Come Boldly to The Throne Of Grace where we may find Mercy and Grace to Help in our time of need.
I Pray that you would Grow Abundantly in HIS Grace and Bear Much Fruit. I Pray The LORD would use this in anyway to Increase your Faith and be a Blessing in your Walk with HIM. I know it is hard sometimes, for we as People who truly want to Follow CHRIST to find Brothers and Sisters to Fellowship with, so if you ever want to talk about things or ask some questions, reach out to me Brother.
Grace, Mercy, Peace, and Love be multiplied unto you in our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.
@@jacobhoesing8004 Thanks brother for the encouragement. May God bless you & your family.
If you were in Australia would be good to read the word with you. Thanks
True, it has become rough and tough on this planet.
I think the latter times happened many years ago. 25 years old i heard how Jesus would return, honestly i do not wait on Christ. Its impossible He will not return in our life time, but death however is different.
"IT'S ALL JOSH HARRIS' FAULT!!!!!" Honestly, we all have to move forward in life and try to take back the power over our lives that we assigned to folks like Harris. After all, Josh is just a man with flaws like anyone else. The authenticity from a church leader, or in this case, former church leader is more than refreshing.
"The book made me do it!" Like seriously people?? What happened to personal responsibility for your actions?
There is much to learn in failures. Grace in Christ teaches us to cling on to Jesus , no matter our flaws
Well said.
Did the Bible say anything about how the soul comes out of the body, what happens in the grave, and how the resurrection from the graves gets to enter paradise or the day
Before I give any answer , tell me How is this question linked to my commentary or the video?
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My question is not related to the video
I asked you, I think, that you have knowledge of the Bible in this regard
If you liked the answer to the question, then thank you
@@user-Alhashemi nor is such explenantions of God's working out his will necessary. What more is needed other than God speaks and His word accomplishing what it is intended for.
When someone truly knows Jesus, they won’t deny Him because He is your life, your joy and your every breath. I pray like Solomon that he can one day return to his first Love.
I want to see the full interview
I’ve never heard of excommunication in the church I grew up in. I learned strict Christianity and believe strictly, but in all that it was never to cast out, it was to welcome in and not judge. That being said I believe you have to seek God and have a relationship with him and live a moral life in the image of Jesus. He is the truth the way and the light
No one cares that your church "isnt like that". It's irrelevant and deflects from the topic at hand.
Let me ask you this, who would you condemn first, an atheist, or a "church like that?"
If your answer is the former, then you are a part of the problem.
Listen to this American lad he was brought up in the modern Western Christianity and the way he explains the bible I've never heard anyone do it like he does it. ACTS INTUITIVE
I hate seeing people leave the Faith. This man clearly knows the Scriptures not sure why he would walk away. We all go through seasons of disbelief. I pray for him to come back to the goodness of Christ. We all need Jesus, not a comfortable life.
That's why I do not look at people as model..only to Christ
Look what happened to people who looked at christ
@@anishb9216 he was not of His fold .....only knowledge but never in his heart ....mouth professed ......
@@nautilusmd He wasted so many years and life there now he is free from him and people like you who criticises people who has done so much for god and destroyed many marriages
@@anishb9216 you do not have a clue what you're talking about
@@nautilusmd At the end you say this.. ungrateful thankless people and abusive religion
Oh sweetheart you did the best you could with the knowledge you had. This is where grace comes in. Grace for self, grace for others. I read the book and yes I can identify with it causing my thinking to harden and make fear choices etc. But what human hasn't tried to help and has done the same thing. We all have. Sending you oceans full of love, gentle thinking, and above all grace.
At the end of the day...
...it's night time.🌛
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us."-1 John 2:19 ESV
It sounds like he needs our prayers and not condemnation. Did he just renounce his pastorship and church membership or he renounced Christianity?? Not clear but all that matters is the clear signal that he needs our Christian prayers.
I think he was on the right road realizing he is just as fallible as the next guy. Where he missed it was not turning to God and accept his grace but got offended by realizing he need to have it which was too much for the flesh.
Having set a very high standard for himself and not keeping to it, he felt a fake and a failure which is a product of the flesh and not the spirit.
We do need to pray for him, he renounced Christianity and now believes there is no God.
I was a part of PDI , later to become Sovereign Grace Ministries so I'm VERY familiar with Joshua Harris and his mentor CJ. I was born again and "followed the Lord" for 14 years, then walked away from it all when I realized what a sham it all is. Walking away was extremely difficult because I was walking away from a life, friends and relationships that I built over 14 years. Anyone who thinks it is easy to walk away from Christ and the Church has no clue and is not exercising the "grace" that they proclaim to be the recipients of through the sacrifice of Jesus. I have alot of respect for Josh. He left it all and paid a high price; he lost leadership, respect, money, his marriage, friends... All of it. So don't hate him before understanding him.
All I know is the story of the Prodigal Son has one word written grace. Somehow even the story itself leaves the impression that the son might need be genuine.
Respect ✊ he is honest and humble.
I think he is honest but not humble. Humble is to see the need for God.
Being a Christian is a journey...we grow in grace and knowledge. As a young christain I've made radical decisions as well which I'm able look back and realize that I had a zeal of the truth. I was very legalistic than. Now I have experienced God's grace and forgiveness through relationship. I've made mistakes along way. I've experienced repentance and forgiveness. If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Thank God for forgiveness. We must learn to forgive ourselves. May prayers go up for you to return to the God of hope.
People say they're married to the wrong person because of him? They chose to get married!!!!
They are upset because they believed this guy, thinking he had special Bible based insight. They believed he was offering the best guide to finding a partner. Everyone knows buying a car without test driving it is silly - but people thought the concept didn't apply to marriage because marriage is some magical god sanctioned covenant outside of normal rules of pragmatism. Testing was not necessary. No test drives for good Christians. (A "test drive" is being intimate, living together before making a lifelong commitment). He was just the ambassador of an idea they found to be a bad idea so criticism gets pointed at him. He pretended to be certain of things he could not know while being sanctioned by major faith personalities and establishments.
@@smhaack63 most Christians believe you shouldn't live together before marriage. How do you know if you're going to get a long if you don't live together before marriage?
Because statistically those who live together for a few years have an increased chance of divorce than those who dont live together before marriage.
@@vbmb It's possible that may be statistically true. However, I would be curious to know if those statistics are changing. I grew up always hearing the divorce rate was 50% (even in the church, btw), yet current statistics show it has dropped quite a bit. Several factors play into that. One, I believe, that majority of my generation have waited longer to get married. It has been proven that couples who get married after the age of 25 are less likely to get a divorce. I was married at the age of 26 and lived with my husband for roughly four year prior to our marriage. We are still deeply in love, have great communication and don't ever entertain the idea of divorce even being an option. Also, the majority of my married friends lived with their spouse prior to marriage.
Praying for you 🙏
He OBVIOUSLY has ZERO understanding of Gods Infinite Grace & let satan deceive and ultimately, control him. Praying for you, Josh.
Yup. OBVIOUSLY corrupt and totally evil. Maybe the worst person living on the planet today.
Or maybe... he did some actual THINKING about this believe system and realized now nonsensical it is.
Me cago en dios, y en un tren con profetas, yoguis y sus seguidores, luego me limpio el culo con textos sagrados. Y el espíritu santo salió del gilipollas del diablo.
Would be interesting to know what brand of so called Christianity he subscribed to. He needs to get a personal relationship with Jesus Christ
@@benedictlopez3233 The person you're calling is not availiable, he is fucking Mary Magdalena. Shouldn't you save yourself too?
@Mike Simpson This is serious! You must promise not to laugh!
Wow, I literally just finished boy meets girl and I thought it was so fantastic, decided to see if he had any podcasts or videos on TH-cam and this is the first thing I find... not sure how to feel
Joel Rodriguez What a shock that must be!
FWIW man I was hardcore Christian in my teens and 20s and in hindsight it really messed up my priorities, sexuality, relationships. I felt pressure to “court” for marriage instead of date around so I settled and married the wrong girl. I’m an atheist now, divorced, with a child I love but who has to grow up in a split household. Drop the religious stuff, think for yourself and only believe that which has evidence. See the world and responsibly experience whatever it is you want to experience. Bottling it up for Jesus is just a recipe for unhappiness down the road.
Don't worry about how you feel. Turn to Christ and talk with Him thru Scripture and prayer. Talk with Christians that you see are wise and grounded in practice based on Scripture. Too many people try to substitute media sources for the harder more patient way. Evaluate what you read in light of Scripture and wisdom that comes through.
Follow God not man.
The book is a guide, not a relationship Bible.
Read read read, then ask God to guide you.
Ps: he actually has another book, boy meets girl, a good book. Read!
Good thing my church denounced this book 12 years ago. And my church is a very modern one.
“Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.”
1 John 2:15, 19
I was appaled that he left Jesus. I read his book and inspired to become pure for the marriage. Me & now my husband practice that & found joy n peace in our marriage & relationship with God. Now me & my husband teach a lot of couple to save themselves for marriage and how to walk in God together with their partner.
I pray that Joshua Harris will come back to salvation and the way.
Renouncing Christianity but it doesn't say he doesn't believe in God anymore big difference
belief in God will get you nowhere but hell - as James says in his New Testament letter, even the demons believe... and shudder. Commitment to Jesus, God's Son, faith in his life, death and resurrection ARE absolutely required if you want to avoid that; and by the way that is the proper definition of true Christianity. You have been hoodwinked byt the millions of false Christians in false churches. Sorry about that.
@@paulsevers7740 God bless you. At the end of life people will shudder at how they let people mislead them. What else is believing in God without Christ. And if only people understood the Bible verse that says Christ is the express image of the Godhead. If only they understood what that meant.
@@paulsevers7740 If you still seek a place to make your stand -- stand with the church of brotherly love -- Revelation 3: 6-12. We keep Jesus' commandments -- Matthew 22: 36-40, and have the "Little Strength" of the Rock -- Matthew 16: 16-18. See also Matthew 6: 5-8 and then take a Good Look at the FAKE EWES on Trump's religious council -- allegedly, the highest spiritual authorities ion the land.
Want more? There's an Epochal Eclipse across the US on April 8th 2024, when more shall be revealed to those with "eyes and ears." The rest will see only the eclipse. Don't stare at the sun -- like Trump did during the last US total eclipse (08/21/17) -- there will be no physical manifestation of this spiritual event. Exercise faith -- speak with thy God thyself (not THE god) to get in shape for the Awakening. Matthew 16: 4 Jonah 3: 5-8.
Whats the difference between renouncing Christianity, becoming an atheist and becoming an agnostic. I will tell you, absolutely no difference.
@@joshuamartinpryce8424 there’s more than 1 religion in the world you know
We can only pray for him to really experience jesus and the power of His Resurrection. Many of us live religiously without an encounter or experience. Some period in your christian walk you should have an encounter and that puts doubts to rest.
We love your sir. Jesus still loves you and He is real. He listens, he speaks. Love you.
Yes!
Atleast he has the guts to admit he was wrong . Many Christians live double lives
Somebody tell him, l have a personal testimony, l have dabbled in the occult before. Hell definitely is waiting for those who reject Christ. Have walked with the Lord since 1977. Jesus is Lord and through Him our deeds and actions will be judged. The good Lord have mercy on us all
Maa chi. Tell me, how do you know this thing, that those who reject Jesus have hell awaiting them?
@@talktomeaboutlife The Bible says so, those who reject Jesus Christ will suffer eternal damnation
@Paul Mitchell Hell fire awaits those who don't believe in the eternal work of grace through Jesus Christ
LOL ok rev alfredo sauce. Nazi tactics
That book did so much good for my family and the raising of my son. We raised our son to wait for the woman that God would bring to him to be his wife. He did. We felt that was what Jesus wanted us to do because we knew the collateral damage of dating around before marriage personally. He met his future wife at church. She had lived exactly the same way, waiting for marriage and saving herself for her future husband. They are getting married in a few months (a bit older adults) and they couldn't be happier. The Lord has done an amazing work in them individually and together. It is right Biblically, (according to the Lord) not to date but to wait for the person the Lord will bring to you. My son courted his future wife and because they waited, when they found each other, it was a profound experience for them and drew them even closer to the Lord.
@@adamhull735 lol it’s okay, they’ll be divorced and she’ll be looking stupid af
You’re a disgustingdd mother for basing your son’s entire life on not having sex. Sex does NOT make a human bad!!! And sex does NOT guarantee a lasting relationship!! You live under a rock!!
Terrible mother! No child should be forced not to explore their sexuality in the name of a fake made up religion!!
@@adamhull735 I also have relationship problem, last time the Lord told me I am not ready but I admit that problem when I examine myself. Do you know that most horrible things is IF I AM NOT READY, THEN SOMEHOW MOST OF THE CHRISTIAN IS ALSO NOT READY GETTING TO MARRIDGE. Judging to their character, lifestyle, maturity of thinking and behavior will tell you over 90% of the people is not surpassed the marriage test. Suddenly my eye opened that many so call servant of the Lord claimed their marriage is appointed and blessed by the Lord but outcome is a mass and disaster, some even getting divorce. At least I saw 5 of the Christian couple that I know facing this issue, all is claimed is from the Lord but the outcome is not what they think. Dating is a must to understand that person character, lifestyle and interest, whether want to continue or not is personal choice without laying any commitment to each other. To tell you the real truth, you are welcome to wait until 40 years old like Moses and Isaac to married the perfect one. This is your choice. Cheers!
We need to define dating. When you sit beside each other in a dark movie theater without the ability to really talk to each other the mind can wander. When you "park" after the movie the mind can wander. He's just saying to avoid these places. Get to know that person in places where you simply can't have sex. Like in public. Then it's easy to resist because it's impossible. Problem solved. His advice was excellent. Later he wandered. That doesn't take away anything in the book. We all shouldn't get married. Some of us are better single that's fine with God. Think of the great people in the Bible. Did the Biblical stories about them focus on their married life? Of course not. It was part of their lives but not the main part. Their faith was the main part as it should be in everyone's life. Simply putting God first solves all problems. Not easy, to be sure.
He never understood grace, all sin, all fall short, true believers recognize that and keep on pressing on despite their own struggles with besetting sin, the key is just.keep.moving.foward. His grace his blood covers all sin
Where can I find this full interview?
This breaks my heart. I NEVER read the kissing dating goodbye. But I did read stop dating the church.
I think he’s probably been dating the church...
It's so refreshing to hear these stories of honesty and realism. Thank you Josh Harris.
I believe that discipline in the church should aim to restore people's relationships with God not to destroy them. With that in mind, we as leaders should be working on ourselves also to keep things right with God.
Most importantly, we need to understand that Jesus has already paid it all so that everyone can freely receive forgiveness. Therefore, if we keep charging ourselves as guilty even though we ask for forgiveness, that is devil idea and it means that the cross wasn't enough to pay the ransom.
I encourage everyone to look at the cross and see the price that Jesus has paid for us, His blood that washes away our sins.
Problem is many churches are in conflict when it comes to the definition of God.
Its only by the Grace of God we are saved its a free gift. Brother most days I dont live according to the ways of our Father I struggle in a lot of ways and I may not be where I want to be in my walk with God but Im still pressing in there some days are better than others yes being real is important in our relationship with God Im thankful Jesus is in my life much love my bro
The free gift of "I won't kill and torture you forever?" Youre god isn't some loving being, he is a mob boss.
He is obeying Christ in choosing to love his readers, fellow Christians, and even his critics by courageously admitting to his wrongs. It is this humility, transparency, and love that is sorely lacking in churches these days. He is searching and I pray that the Lord will guide him back to a messy and often unclear, but undoubtedly authentic love of God through this trial - whether or not he reclaims faith is between him and God. While I am saddened, I get him, and I’d want more pastors and leaders to exhibit this kind of vulnerability and love.
It’s hard to figure out if this man is a scam who eventually wanted to live his lifestyle freely, or if he is a homosexual who eventually accepted himself instead of doing “Christian” deeds to make up for it🤔
There's a phenomenon known as displacement, where something you hate about yourself is accommodated by projecting that flaw onto other people. So an instinctive homosexual in a fundamentalist environment would see sexual misdemeanours everywhere, to the extent he'd write a book about avoiding them in a similarly controlling way. If that's the case I feel sorry for the guy, but people who supplant the teachings of Jesus with self help gurus are bound to be disappointed.
I do not think he is gay, i do think he was a preacher to fulfil his own needs and not because he loves Christ.
He’s definitely gay
Why can’t he just be a real bible Believing Christian who realized the Bible and Christianity aren’t the truth and no longer Believes? Is it because you think it’s impossible for a Christian to fall away because the Bible says that? Every time a real Christian leaves the church y’all are scrambling to explain it away with things like “he was a scam or false teacher”. What a pathetic argument. Christians leave the church all the time. It’s not like it’s some abnormal thing. So there’s one thing we can check of the untrue list in the Bible
A good example of the prosperity gospel believing "christian". I hesitate to even use the word. Being a true Christian is a lifetime struggle with sin. We must remain penitent _always_ because we are _always_ sinning!
*Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and it is exceedingly corrupt: who can know it?" ASV*
It is difficult for nonbelievers to understand how someone can "turn it off" like Josh has appeared to do when he said he has "excommunicated" himself. Well, if you have truly repented and are a child of the Sovereign God, you cannot walk away. We understand that from *1John **2:19** "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us. NAS* So, Josh Harris was probably a false convert. I really do hope Josh Harris and his wife repent and allow God to heal their marriage.
He wasn’t part of the prosperity movement. He was part of a reformed church.
Always sinning?
Amazes me how many churches choose which sinners are welcome. Also amazes me how many people claiming they are Christian, have so much hate in their hearts. I can only imagine what god really thinks of mankind.
In a biblical church sinners are welcomed but would be discipled and continually led to Christ. But someone who calls himself a Christian but EMBRACES an unbiblical lifestyle is told to leave. They would be welcomed back if they repented and accepted help to live a life according to God’s Word. If not they might lead others astray. These aren’t just seekers checking out the church who are excommunicated. No real church should expect someone without the Holy Spirit to live according to the Bible.
@@lauranilsen8988 they might even reach a point where they embrace a golden idol.
@@toddmiller7876 yeah. But idols tend to look different these days. Money, job security, family, doctors, government. 😬
Faith in Christ is a committment, a decision of the will to persevere in this truth. The heart, feelings and emotions come and go. When our faith is based in feelings it has a shakey foundation that can easily crumble.