This is your first video that I’ve seen so I don’t know what you’re all about, however I really appreciated what you said. Josh Harris was a product of my church. We produced I Kissed Dating Goodbye, practically pioneered homeschooling and drove the national purity movement. Tbh, it was pretty devastating to see him renounce his book, his faith, and his marriage...but I’m grateful for it because those whose faith is in Christ will stay in Christ. Those whose faith is in Josh Harris or in courtship will have to leave or re-fasten their grip on Christ. While it’s tragic to see people leave Christianity, it is better than having pews full of goats and wolves instead of sheep. And it’s better that people like Josh, if they’re not a sheep, don’t lead sheep. I have learned some hard and personal lessons through this and it has reminded me not to put faith in people, or especially in works. I have noticed that I tend to think that certain steps or formulas will please God and lead to success and blessing, vs. the other. That’s not true legalism (relying on works for salvation), but it is a form of legalism that our church and many Church’s have struggled with. I’ve been thinking so much this week how tiring this is. Our souls need to hear God’s praises, to speak them and sing them. We need to preach the gospel of Christ to ourselves every day, our and to our friends and our neighbors. We need to be reminded of Christ - who He is, what He’s done, and what He’s gonna do. These are the things that fuel your love and trust in Christ in the face of confusion and opposition. Chris says His yoke is easy and His burden is light, because It Is Finished. If Christianity is heavy or burdensome, you don’t understand the gospel or are forgetting it. Thanks again for sharing, more people need to be talking about these things.
I really like your answer and reasoning. Speaking on 'it's a form of legalism', this seems true. I do like formulas and steps to follow, and maybe it does help to get us started yet that doesn't always work, but it IS a relationship with Christ that matters and directs our steps-that works. One formula may help a person but not others. one formula may help in a certain situation but not another. I know of couples who did it the 'no dating' way and have very happy marriages today. Many after several years of marriage and with children still behave like newlyweds. Amazing. I know of another couple who dated yet drew the line ( As Daniel did in the Old Testament, He drew a line of where he was going to stand firm with God, His personal line between him and God). They drew a line of No sex before marriage. Twenty five years later, they still have a happy marriage. So, whatever method or culture a family, a person, or couple chooses, whether it is courtship, or dating, or somewhere in between, the focus should be on The LORD and His Ways. "Blessed are those who ... delight in the Law of the LORD, ...they shall be like trees planted by rivers of water. "Seek Ye first the kingdom of God..."
I absolutely loved being homeschooled and am homeschooling my kids...but as an atheist. Home education provides the opportunity to learn at your own pace, follow your passions, and exercise logic....even when that logic is being twisted for religious apologetics. The latter still requires investigation of another view and coming up with arguments for each. So ironically, some of us that grew up in a religious home education program (and please know that homeschooling community is extremely diverse now! Yay!), become the greatest apologeticists for deconstruction, myself included. I am grateful to have been given a thorough Christian education so that I could deconstruct it thoroughly and not live in a wishy washy limbo of thinking I believe but never even knowing what my religion and religious history and texts actually say. I am so grateful to have left Christianity and found the opportunity to still apply things that I learned from my past but hopefully in a more healthy way!😊
Thank you for posting this!! I was a homeschooling mom of young children when Josh's book came out, and it was all the rage among the families I associated with at that time. I never got around to read the book. I am so sorry to hear that Josh has left the Christian faith, and will be praying for him! He was mislead, but he has such a talent for leadership. Praying he returns to God!
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 1 John 2:19
This verse. The perfect way to escape constructive criticism is to assume that those who changed their minds about their beliefs were never sincere in the first place. So glad I left Christianity.
I have so much to say as I closely followed Josh Harris. I was introduced to his books and video series in 1998 and then in 1999. Both times were by two different girls I had met. I really felt that God was calling me to read them. So I read them multiple times. I never felt that his books set up a scheme or step by step formula for successfully finding a spouse and being happily married. I was deeply impacted and my relationship with Jesus deepened greatly after reading his two books. It helped me to stop viewing females as a potential love interest and to view and honor them as sisters in Christ. I gave up trying to find a spouse on my own in early 2001. I rededicated my life to Christ in mid 2001 and a few months later, I met my now wife. On Aol, if anyone remembers that. I don't believe I would have had the best intentions had I not put Christ first in my life prior to meeting her. The books also changed her way of thinking and God spoke to her as well through them. She was a Christian but didn't grow up in the church as I had. She had a past, as I did. But we both found peace and forgiveness through Christ after reading those books. We confessed some past sins in our lives to one other and found healing. All before we were married. I'm not sure that we would have ever done that if it weren't for us reading those books. We also read some other nonfiction books on Christian dating. But we never sought to follow any kind of formula for our relationship based on the books. I think the main issues with other people, is that they chose to follow man and not God. Man will always let you down, but God is faithful. Seek to honor Him and He will bless you. I know that my success in finding my wife wasn't attributed to those books or even my decision to quit the dating game. I know that many people search and search for a spouse and never find one. We have to find our soul's satisfaction in Christ and not any person. Only God can fill us. No husband or wife can take the place of Him.
You're quoting all the platitudes that married people tell singles. I'm glad you got something good from the book, but it was a work of trash! And Harris renounced his faith and ministry, so even the author admits the book was garbage! Read Hebrews 6:4...
I read that book to my 4 sons back when they were stair-step teenagers. It was insightful for all. Son #2 followed it. He was a virgin when he met his fiancée. She was his first. They got married and just celebrated their 15th anniversary; going strong.They have three kids, 14,11,and 9. Son #1, and 3, have been married 2-3 times respectively but have finally found their happy ever after and have been married strong since finding the one that is right for them. Son#4 didn’t follow the advice at all 😅 but he’s been married strong 6 years and counting. So the moral of the story is that life, love, and relationships, are complex and there is no formula outside of God’s grace in whatever mental landscape we find ourselves in.
I never read I Kissed Dating Goodbye, but I learned enough about the book’s narrative to conclude that Josh Harris didn’t present a viable relationship model for marriage. Being that he failed at his own formula through his divorce, that speaks volumes to his motive in writing the book for dissertative rather than spiritual reasons.
I haven't read Josh Harris' book, however based on what you're saying in this video, "courtship" is exactly how every human society since time began lived up until 300 years ago. The way Americans "date" today is something so new and radical that it would have shocked almost anyone in the world until 60 or 70 years ago. I'm not judging, but just giving a little perspective.
Nothing is wrong with someone changing their mind about what they were thought at an early age compared with what they have come to believe in their later years. It's called growing up, it's called believing your own truth and not believing a truth thought to you. Something is wrong with someone who believed a particular truth at 16 and at 46 you still believe the same truth and havnt grow in their views on that specific topics. It's called growth in mind and in ones belief system. I have not read his book but I have always been cautious about extremes in anything, including religion and it's teachings. I will always hold dear the religious teachings instilled in me during my childhood, it has guided my life and helped me made choices that I'm proud of today, even though a lot of my views in Christianity has changed now that I'm nearly 60 years. I still believe in God and the Bible but it's different. People who are angry with this man is angry that their belief system was in Joshua Harris and not in God. God/Bible should be their guide not a "human being."
This purity culture is so action based.. Honestly, I’m tired of Christian TH-camrs even talking about those topics ( I mean dating guides and stuff); they focus on secondary things and become obsessed with the idea of romantic relationship, and as every idol it will eventually let you down and leave broken… The more a person talks about purity, the more red flags 🚩 I see; Men who are constantly schooling women, for example, are addicted to porn like 💯
never read the book but from what I hear I understand it and I don't think he was being legalistic. the book was a suggestion to Christians does not mean you have to follow it. to me, it was like a friend giving wisdom because they had an experience of that and did not want you to go through the same thing so they're offering their own insight as to what works for them. agree with what you said about him never really being a Christian, it's biblical. (1 John 2:19)
Someone who abandons Jesus and our loving Heavenly Father were never saved because those who are truly saved learn things that cant be denied today or the die you die.
Isn't it funny how quickly Josh Harris and the World have publicly embraced each other??? Hebrews 6:4-6 & Hebrews 10:26-31 seem all the more scary when you actually see people walking away from the faith.
It seems as though he drank the kool aide. He should have denounced his fans not who he was.his loss But what truths in the book will help people but those who reject the Bible it doesn't matter
I read the book and cried. I was 17 or 18 and I pictured Joshua a guy with seemingly perfect life with a wife or about to get married...at such young age and I thought his life is perfect that’s why he could talk. but the world is full of bad guys and people have deep wounds.... it was idealistic at best. I believed what he said was right however. It was a call to stop guys sleeping around and marry women instead. It was a good attempt for a young guy. I did the same never slept around However I also got divorced from a pastor kid and I had never dated. I wished I had. These days and age you have to know men and what they think. I will also encourage my daughter to date. I am still a Christian after struggling with the divorce. I thought I would loose my mind but God rescued me. Church will always be judgmental of my divorce status that’s fine I made peace with it. I thought I was perfect keeping myself for marriage now here I am. I am letting God teach me my next step in marriage.
Thank you so much for sharing this with us! Sorry for the disappointments you encountered along the way. I love that you have placed it all in God's hands. PS I also read the book when I was 18
Thank you Peeerly for sharing and sorry for your divorce. No one ever wishes to divorce. We live in a fallen world whereby nobody's life is perfect, only Jesus was. Do not regret your past, my dear, I believe that everything happens the way it is for God to be glorified. I am pleased to see that you have let the matters in God's hands.
Same. I got married at 20, divorced at 33. It was a shock to discover that I could be unevenly yoked with a Christian lady. It was almost comical how my ex-wife and I where miss-matched. I was an early morning person, she is a night owl. My love language is gifts, hers listening. I believe in stricter parenting, she’s a liberal. Worse though, I wanted sex frequently, she occasionally. It was never going to work. I wish we had lived together before hand so I could find out we where incompatible before saying “I do”.
@@AaronFromGuildford one of the benefits of chastity and intentional dating is having these talked about before marriage and being able to be more objective, in terms of lifestyle, how you want to raise your kids etc. when marriage isn’t necessary many don’t think about being compatible long term when they are young, they bond to fast and go too far physically before knowing or being intentional, so once they get married or have children many years down the line they find out they are not as compatible as they thought. With the intimacy there’s s always gonna be a gender divide, men need to be considerate and women need to see it as their duty, thus fill in the gap.
The churches have abysmally poor marriage counseling. They need to teach the youth how to date and the purpose of dating, then how to be married and how to be parents. What we have now is woefully inadequate!! The 50% divorce rate is bad enough, but 70% of married Christian men are addicted to pornography (and that includes 50% of married pastors)! Church, we have a serious problem here!!!
A true, devoted follower of Jesus cant out the blame on any one person for ruining their life, especially the author of a book who is likely a complete stranger! Any one mature enough to pursue a relationship, should have the discernment when reading to pick out the good and discard what isnt helpful or biblical. So we can't blame his past ideas for our problems. It seems that Josh Harris got caught up in the passion of a movement, and following certain sets of rules, rather than actually repenting of sin, and leaning on the grace of Jesus Christ in all. Its important to remember that all Christian authors, celebrities, etc (whose true quality of faith is known to the Lord) are fallible human beings that can carry Gods message but must be measured against the standard of God's Word, and not put on a pedestal. And I think that dating as defined by the world, yes, isnt pleasing to God; the hookup culture and careless throwing away of our hearts and bodies. Even the focus on just having fun and doing what makes us happy- rather then a focus on pleasing God and serving the other person in love. With God's help, i do believe we can redeem dating by making those two things our goal. If we truly want to honor God, He will give us the strength to do so. Being in the Word and prayer is so important to give us wisdom in relationships, as well as accountability and mentoring🙌🏻 And even when we do find a truly godly mate, God hasnt promised smooth sailing all the way. In fact, Jesus said we will have trouble in this world...and marriage is two sinful human beings coming together as one. Its a learning process where we are humbled and learn how to give others the grace that we have been given. Sometimes it will be hard. And thats why its about covenant, not a feelings based contract. Marriage Gods way displays to the world His unconditional love to sinners like us. Yes, our faith is in JESUS!! 🙌🏻
He was really young when he wrote I Kissed Dating Goodbye. We shouldn’t trust Christian leaders and writers so much--especially when they themselves are so young and inexperienced. As a Christian, I believe we should keep ourselves pure until marriage. But in the early 80’s and 90’s we put too much emphasis on keeping young people apart. We shamed young people for having feelings for one another. We were over reacting to the free sex and the degrading of women in our society. Now, we should be thankful if our children are actually attracted to the opposite sex!! Yes. There still should be boundaries, but we need to be wise and carefully loving and helping our children. Everyone is different. I have two happily married daughters who had very different dating experiences. I am glad we gave leave way in both situations and did not follow some rule book or personality like Josh Harris. We just wanted to honor the Lord and His Word.
We shouldn't trust a young college aged guy who doesn't know jack about life! There is literally a generation of women who are single (probably for life) because of this jackass. The fact that he renounced his faith and ministry proves I'm correct! Church be more discerning in your understanding!
We shouldn't trust people who have not thoroughly studied the Bible to be in leadership positions, and there needs to be a more unified body amongst Protestants to help regulate what's being put out in the name of God and the Church. Given that the scriptures are ancient and born of a different culture, it's essential that people be trained in understanding the Scriptures before they are given a position to teach others.
I actually read a little bit of the book and thought that it had some good ideas but I definitely didn't agree with a lot of it, I think personally dating isn't in its self bad. Just like with everything, it's all in the way you look at, if you and your significant other set boundaries for each other and keep yourselves uncountable to each other as well as to God, you can date and prepare yourselves for marriage.
When Christians label former Christians not a "real Christian," does that help them in feeling that they aren't going to fall from the faith because they're "real" Christians? How do you know if people are real Christians? Isn't that between them and God?
Spartan 351 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 1 John 2:19
Spartan 351 Judas Iscariot was a major Apostle and influenced many lives. Was he not a real Christian? “They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.” 1 John 2:19
"it's more like OUR law without God's grace" - that's exactly what the Pharisees taught! They added onto God's law and taunted those who didn't obey THEIR law to the smallest detail.
I feel like Josh Harris is not really taking accountability for the fact that he took it upon himself to speak on behalf of God without waiting for God to give him the wisdom to speak. Rather than owning that monumental mistake and asking God for forgiveness, he’s denying God and blaming Jesus for his own failures. Not cool.
I was 16 when 21 year old Harris wrote this book. Spirit told me to resistit 100%. I told my folks i would only date as a path to marraige. But the rest was nuts!
Saying you are married to the wrong person because of one book and it ruined your life is a lie! Thats a person who refused to group and face their real problems. Actually, i bet you their were very few who actually said that, but i was really more marketing. Marteking has completely infiltrated the church for ego stroking. When relationship in God and eachother is our mandate. Use something as a vehicle that takes the place of what jesus told us to do, like always big concerts and "movement" instead of those "boring" things like faith and love...and the devil will tear yall apart
I read this book when I was 17 years old. I decided not to follow his advice. But many friends decided to try to follow them, many without success, some with successful marriages and some with unsuccessful marriages, a mix. The problem is that the book laid the groundwork for many pastors to bombard their youth. Making them abandon Christianity, making them feel miserable, making them make decisions they would have made differently (like marrying a girlfriend they had sex with, even if that sex was bad, or despite no longer wanting to continue dating). Thank God this wave of Puritanism is over. I wish Joshua Harris all the best.
I never read the book. But if the book calls for preserving sexual purity before marriage, that is one thing he was right about among all the wrong things he could have taught.
When someone renounces their faith in Jesus it comes down to a few things, usually one main reason is there is an ongoing sin in one's life that they're unwilling to repent of. I wonder why he was so apologetic to the LGBTQ community?. God knows.
I actually read all 3 of his books: "I kissed dating goodbye", Sex is not the problem, lust is" and "Boy meets girl". That was 8 years ago. They have helped me a lot in my walk in sexual purity.
When guys ask girls out and they get rejected, it's painful and embarrassing for them. They seem to think the girl has said no because she thinks the guy is a nerd. Perhaps a book needs to be written called 'Why Girls Say No.' To help guys improve their chances of getting a yes and to realise that sometimes the girl has said no for reasons that don't have anything to do with him.
9:35 it feels like Josh was so close to finding the TRUE message of Christ. He acknowledged his own broken state, his hypocrisy. We're all hypocrites Josh! That's the amazing thing about Christ is that he isn't one!
Casting out your entire faith for fallacies you find in yourself is like shaving your head over a few grey hairs. I have not read the whole book, but I value it because God used in early in my faith to confirm ending a relationship with another Christian, who is upstanding and had no error, but wasn't what God wanted for me. His now wife is my best friend and I get to see how they lived out the book before marriage, and they are very strong in their marriage now. This man seems to be placing the concept of perfection on himself and others instead of recalling the reality of our imperfection and need for Christ. If God isn't the center of your relationships, platonic or otherwise, you will not find peace and balance.
That interview with him gave me zero clarity why he made his decision. It seems like he got out of it kind of easy. It seems like nothing happened to him intellectually, he just wanted/needed a divorce.
You need to travel to the Philippines. You’ll end your single status a day after you land, and no, I’m not talking about visiting their red light district. Fly to Manila, then go to Visias or Palawan, head to the city centre, food market, beach and just enjoy conversations. You’ll know what to do. 👍🏻
@David Voicecoil I wouldn't take it that far cause humans are created in marriage. I will read that text but it doesn't sound well interpreted cause it doesn't make sense for the creation of humans
Maybe he just wants to date some hot women some spicy MoMA-citas, some sassy dames, and had to dis-associate from the book.... I'm sure that exactly what's going on 😎
The point of courting instead of dating is so you won't hurt each other's feelings and feel awkward when you have to say no to a guy when he asks you out on a date or if going on the date, you have to say you don't want to go on another one with him. But I'm a female and when I ask other females to meet up with me during the week, as friends, and they say no, it hurts and makes me feel embarrassed even if they have a good reason for saying no. And when females say yes and then afterwards don't invite me out in return or flat out tell me they don't want to meet up again, that hurts and embarrasses me too. But does that mean we should come up with a special way of pursuing same-sex friendships?
You have to know what the Bible says to be able to properly discern the information you are getting. I learned this lesson late, but thank God, I learned it.
Just now watching this video. I have read the book I kissed dating Goodbye. There was things I agreed with but the rest I didn't agree as it was to much on the point of view of a man. Not on a womans pov for dating as a believer. I appreciate your talk about it :)
Wow that was some really wise commentary !! I have not read the book but I see what you mean! Let’s pray for the people that are leaving Christianity because of disappointment, to be reminded that the people that we have around us will ALWAYS disappoint us, but God never does❤ Being in a relationship is not the beginning nor the end of life! We have abundant life in Jesus not “in relationship” !! ❤ Be encouraged! You are never alone❤
I think it’s very interesting you didn’t give him your actual feedback to his face. And I mean that, as interesting. Feels very off to me and very typical of people coming from a Christian perspective.
Religion drains, it only regulates behavior without changing the nature. Not surprising, people are getting sick of it.. Unfortunately, most religious people never knew Christ or somewhere along the way traded Him for self-righteousness.. at first you don’t notice, but over time you become too far gone..
I believe us Christians should stop looking at their relationship with God as transactional. We should choose to be “pure” because God is a Holy God and we want to honor him with our lives, our sexuality, instead of doing it so that would see me as deserving of a good husband and bless me. God doesn’t “owe” a virgin a good marriage, while ignoring someone who has sex before marriage. You would only have a good marriage because you and your spouse make the foundation of your marriage God and intentional work on making it work. I was so steeped in the “purity culture” before 25, and I’m so grateful to God that I’m out of it.
I echo your sentiments Isaac. however, I am led to ask if Joshua Harris every truly encountered Christ because if he did then he would not preach legalism but lead to people to a relationship with Jesus. His failure to measure his walk and journey from a spiritual perspective based on scripture is where he went wrong. He was led by popular opinion in a secular community and not by God.
Hey Dude, This is my first time viewing your work, but if you’re a Christian, and discussing anything relating to Our Lord, shouldn’t you begin by inviting Him to be present while you’re discussing anything related to life and His presence within us, the believers/followers/doers? Beginning with Prayer is the first step in His wisdom being passed from your lips to the listeners ears. Without prayer, without His presence, is all just movement of air!
He is like: okay. I misguided people while I was a pastor, but… this is not my personal mistake, it is all Christianity is WRONG(not me, but all others). Some comments sound like “wow, what a brave man. Not all Christian leaders do that”. And I think that it is not the same. He didn’t accept the need for his change because he was sinning and dishonoring God. No. He said that THE WHOLE CHRISTIANITY IS WRONG, and he is not going to change or continue being among those WRONG PEOPLE who do not understand God. This is soooooooo sad and scary. Honestly, it shook me. I think we should think about this: “He was right, now he is wrong”. But not like he says: “I was wrong but I’m right.”
My youth pastor was all into that crap. I knew it was bogus. Mind you I didn’t date anyway. Better things to do with my money. Still knew it was rubbish.
You havent read the book? Lol What do you think youre doing? It's a short brief read. It's straightforward and appealing in its godly approach to dating. Renouncing it seems strange and irrational to me but Joshua has sadly abandonded the Bible and his book was based on simple and plain biblical principles. Your comments about the influence of the book are wrong. The plain emphasis throughout the book IS honoring God in our relationships.
Maybe this wasnt the time or place but what is he considering he was wrong about? Awesome that hes repented but lets dail it in. Why does he feel purity is wrong? Whats the difference between courting and dating... is it the physicality or sex or both - and why is that wrong exactly? Lastly how does his confession lead to deconstructioning his faith. A lot of generalities he was saying here.
Amen! Sometimes people leave Christianity because they haven't talked to God anymore and haven't seen His miracles in a long time. We always have to work on our relationship with the Lord. Also we have to remember that being Born Again\Christianian is not a religion but our relationship with the God.
John 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Great video. So sad that josh is walking away from the Lord. I agree with what you said about reading books with discernment. My husband and I had read his book prior to meeting one another and chose to court, but picked and chose the boundaries we felt were right for us. I was 24 and he was 34 and were still happily married. :)
It’s possible he wasn’t a believer to begin with... but where do we draw the line? Paul warns people of being taken captive by worldly philosophies... from joshuas posts it is clear he is speaking from the position of worldly philosophy. Paul was speaking to Christians.
Hate when people say that. You don't know the relationship I had with Christ and how real that was to me at the time. But people are allowed to change and grow. I used to think the same way
Why do you suppose the Apostle Paul gave so many warnings of backsliding if it were not possible ? Hebrews 10:38-39 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are NOT of them who draw back unto perdition: but of them that BELIEVE TO THE SAVING OF THE SOUL.
This book kept my girls pure for the love of life! Plus, after my husband’s death, 7 years later I remarried with the principles! Great marriage with don’t touch me until I’ve been in the Word and in prayer keeping the commandment of God is first! Applying knowledge of God gives great blessings!
Classic, if someone ever walks away from the faith they were never really a believer to begin with. Hardly surprising, just deny anything that doesn't look good. But that too reflects badly upon Christianity.
That book was an amazing and life changing book. I still think so even though I something from the book I don't practice anymore. If people don't have brains or discernment to know when a message applies and doesn't apply then it's their fault. Pharisee behaviour
Good review of this complex situation. These turn of events in the church need describing. Joshua H. life decisions have an impact on the family of faith. Its been a long time simmering in my heart over the years. I believe we need to teach our children how to navigate dating to avoid the traps that get set for a young heart. I believe many of those principles still hold healthy outcomes.
In terms of the dating topic, the ancient world never dated. So in reality, Josh has a point in his book about it leading us away. Think about how much our culture today doesn’t reflect how the world, as a whole, ran for thousands of years. We are the outliers.
Yeah i thought that book was nuts. But to be honest God examine the heart and knows what's in your mind. So if you don't see anything happening examine your heart and your motives you'll be surprised. God will heal that issue first and freedom is better than any great person you might meet.
I rescently discovered your chanel, and I love so much about your views, but I think this is the second time I hear you question if someone actually were a Christian before saying they're not anymore. Maybe you've answered this somewhere and I just didn't watch it yet, but do you believe that about everyone walking away from faith? Do you think once a Christian always a Christian?
Once a baptized soul always a baptized soul. A Christian is one who practices Christianity. An apostate is one who abandons a religious belief. According to this video, Harris would be an apostate since he ‘excommunicated himself.’ So he believes Christianity is true still but he has rejected it and thus has also rejected the grace of God.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 1 John 2:19
If you truly believe in Christ and have a relationship with Him and know the truth, you won't miraculously change your mind and walk away from the faith. It's a sign of someone not fully accepting that Jesus is truth and applying the tools and knowledge of the bible
That’s disgusting. Women mostly regret it for their husbands sake, for his glory and wanting him to be comfortable and happy bout her past. Yes, many men desire sexual diversity but it does not bring any profound meaning, only destruction.
I don't mean to be loose with my comments, but there seems to be something very feminine about the way Josh is communicating, homosexual body language. Might be just me, but he seems to be giving of those vibes We can only pray that Josh is not an apostate, spoken of in Hebrews 6 and 10.
Holy molly Harris never knew the Gospel! By Grace we are saved not our works. How did a guy like that pastor? Amen bro...grace or i aint making it. If a prostitute or theif on the cross...or me for that matter, can live in Christ and go to heaven, then these rules are ... Blaa.....
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This is your first video that I’ve seen so I don’t know what you’re all about, however I really appreciated what you said. Josh Harris was a product of my church. We produced I Kissed Dating Goodbye, practically pioneered homeschooling and drove the national purity movement. Tbh, it was pretty devastating to see him renounce his book, his faith, and his marriage...but I’m grateful for it because those whose faith is in Christ will stay in Christ. Those whose faith is in Josh Harris or in courtship will have to leave or re-fasten their grip on Christ. While it’s tragic to see people leave Christianity, it is better than having pews full of goats and wolves instead of sheep. And it’s better that people like Josh, if they’re not a sheep, don’t lead sheep.
I have learned some hard and personal lessons through this and it has reminded me not to put faith in people, or especially in works. I have noticed that I tend to think that certain steps or formulas will please God and lead to success and blessing, vs. the other. That’s not true legalism (relying on works for salvation), but it is a form of legalism that our church and many Church’s have struggled with. I’ve been thinking so much this week how tiring this is. Our souls need to hear God’s praises, to speak them and sing them. We need to preach the gospel of Christ to ourselves every day, our and to our friends and our neighbors. We need to be reminded of Christ - who He is, what He’s done, and what He’s gonna do. These are the things that fuel your love and trust in Christ in the face of confusion and opposition. Chris says His yoke is easy and His burden is light, because It Is Finished. If Christianity is heavy or burdensome, you don’t understand the gospel or are forgetting it.
Thanks again for sharing, more people need to be talking about these things.
I really like your answer and reasoning. Speaking on 'it's a form of legalism', this seems true. I do like formulas and steps to follow, and maybe it does help to get us started yet that doesn't always work, but it IS a relationship with Christ that matters and directs our steps-that works. One formula may help a person but not others. one formula may help in a certain situation but not another. I know of couples who did it the 'no dating' way and have very happy marriages today. Many after several years of marriage and with children still behave like newlyweds. Amazing. I know of another couple who dated yet drew the line ( As Daniel did in the Old Testament, He drew a line of where he was going to stand firm with God, His personal line between him and God). They drew a line of No sex before marriage. Twenty five years later, they still have a happy marriage. So, whatever method or culture a family, a person, or couple chooses, whether it is courtship, or dating, or somewhere in between, the focus should be on The LORD and His Ways. "Blessed are those who ... delight in the Law of the LORD, ...they shall be like trees planted by rivers of water. "Seek Ye first the kingdom of God..."
I absolutely loved being homeschooled and am homeschooling my kids...but as an atheist. Home education provides the opportunity to learn at your own pace, follow your passions, and exercise logic....even when that logic is being twisted for religious apologetics. The latter still requires investigation of another view and coming up with arguments for each. So ironically, some of us that grew up in a religious home education program (and please know that homeschooling community is extremely diverse now! Yay!), become the greatest apologeticists for deconstruction, myself included. I am grateful to have been given a thorough Christian education so that I could deconstruct it thoroughly and not live in a wishy washy limbo of thinking I believe but never even knowing what my religion and religious history and texts actually say. I am so grateful to have left Christianity and found the opportunity to still apply things that I learned from my past but hopefully in a more healthy way!😊
"Our faith is in Jesus Christ not in josh" that's correct to God be the glory
Thank you for posting this!! I was a homeschooling mom of young children when Josh's book came out, and it was all the rage among the families I associated with at that time. I never got around to read the book. I am so sorry to hear that Josh has left the Christian faith, and will be praying for him! He was mislead, but he has such a talent for leadership. Praying he returns to God!
Its better to run to God than running away from God😊
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They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 1 John 2:19
This verse. The perfect way to escape constructive criticism is to assume that those who changed their minds about their beliefs were never sincere in the first place. So glad I left Christianity.
So many christians jump into marriage with out establishing friendship and dating first and no wonder the divorce rate is so high
I have so much to say as I closely followed Josh Harris. I was introduced to his books and video series in 1998 and then in 1999. Both times were by two different girls I had met. I really felt that God was calling me to read them. So I read them multiple times. I never felt that his books set up a scheme or step by step formula for successfully finding a spouse and being happily married. I was deeply impacted and my relationship with Jesus deepened greatly after reading his two books. It helped me to stop viewing females as a potential love interest and to view and honor them as sisters in Christ. I gave up trying to find a spouse on my own in early 2001. I rededicated my life to Christ in mid 2001 and a few months later, I met my now wife. On Aol, if anyone remembers that. I don't believe I would have had the best intentions had I not put Christ first in my life prior to meeting her. The books also changed her way of thinking and God spoke to her as well through them. She was a Christian but didn't grow up in the church as I had. She had a past, as I did. But we both found peace and forgiveness through Christ after reading those books. We confessed some past sins in our lives to one other and found healing. All before we were married. I'm not sure that we would have ever done that if it weren't for us reading those books. We also read some other nonfiction books on Christian dating. But we never sought to follow any kind of formula for our relationship based on the books. I think the main issues with other people, is that they chose to follow man and not God. Man will always let you down, but God is faithful. Seek to honor Him and He will bless you. I know that my success in finding my wife wasn't attributed to those books or even my decision to quit the dating game. I know that many people search and search for a spouse and never find one. We have to find our soul's satisfaction in Christ and not any person. Only God can fill us. No husband or wife can take the place of Him.
You're quoting all the platitudes that married people tell singles. I'm glad you got something good from the book, but it was a work of trash! And Harris renounced his faith and ministry, so even the author admits the book was garbage! Read Hebrews 6:4...
I read that book to my 4 sons back when they were stair-step teenagers. It was insightful for all. Son #2 followed it. He was a virgin when he met his fiancée. She was his first. They got married and just celebrated their 15th anniversary; going strong.They have three kids, 14,11,and 9. Son #1, and 3, have been married 2-3 times respectively but have finally found their happy ever after and have been married strong since finding the one that is right for them. Son#4 didn’t follow the advice at all 😅 but he’s been married strong 6 years and counting. So the moral of the story is that life, love, and relationships, are complex and there is no formula outside of God’s grace in whatever mental landscape we find ourselves in.
I found your Channel and your content just a week ago and I'm enjoying it.
I never read I Kissed Dating Goodbye, but I learned enough about the book’s narrative to conclude that Josh Harris didn’t present a viable relationship model for marriage. Being that he failed at his own formula through his divorce, that speaks volumes to his motive in writing the book for dissertative rather than spiritual reasons.
I haven't read Josh Harris' book, however based on what you're saying in this video, "courtship" is exactly how every human society since time began lived up until 300 years ago. The way Americans "date" today is something so new and radical that it would have shocked almost anyone in the world until 60 or 70 years ago. I'm not judging, but just giving a little perspective.
True. And comparing both, I'm inclined to lean towards courtship.
There was no courtship until 300 years ago. Most marriages were arranged between families.
Nothing is wrong with someone changing their mind about what they were thought at an early age compared with what they have come to believe in their later years. It's called growing up, it's called believing your own truth and not believing a truth thought to you. Something is wrong with someone who believed a particular truth at 16 and at 46 you still believe the same truth and havnt grow in their views on that specific topics. It's called growth in mind and in ones belief system. I have not read his book but I have always been cautious about extremes in anything, including religion and it's teachings. I will always hold dear the religious teachings instilled in me during my childhood, it has guided my life and helped me made choices that I'm proud of today, even though a lot of my views in Christianity has changed now that I'm nearly 60 years. I still believe in God and the Bible but it's different. People who are angry with this man is angry that their belief system was in Joshua Harris and not in God. God/Bible should be their guide not a "human being."
This purity culture is so action based.. Honestly, I’m tired of Christian TH-camrs even talking about those topics ( I mean dating guides and stuff); they focus on secondary things and become obsessed with the idea of romantic relationship, and as every idol it will eventually let you down and leave broken…
The more a person talks about purity, the more red flags 🚩 I see; Men who are constantly schooling women, for example, are addicted to porn like 💯
never read the book but from what I hear I understand it and I don't think he was being legalistic. the book was a suggestion to Christians does not mean you have to follow it. to me, it was like a friend giving wisdom because they had an experience of that and did not want you to go through the same thing so they're offering their own insight as to what works for them. agree with what you said about him never really being a Christian, it's biblical. (1 John 2:19)
Someone who abandons Jesus and our loving Heavenly Father were never saved because those who are truly saved learn things that cant be denied today or the die you die.
Me and my wife read his book.. I agree that this book and this interview lead people into a person not Jesus.
Apparently he’s kissing marriage goodbye too. Dude ruined his marriage because of his ego
Eucharist is what these people are missing, how many miracles do you want! ❤
Is he really leaves Christianity?
Isn't it funny how quickly Josh Harris and the World have publicly embraced each other???
Hebrews 6:4-6 & Hebrews 10:26-31 seem all the more scary when you actually see people walking away from the faith.
Ummm… sorry, but no one married the wrong person or didn’t get married because of Josh Harris. That’s not how that works.
It seems as though he drank the kool aide. He should have denounced his fans not who he was.his loss
But what truths in the book will help people but those who reject the Bible it doesn't matter
Praise God for Josh Harris who taught me about sexual purity and holy living. It's a shame he's renounced much of this.
Fundies love to hate this guy.
I read the book and cried. I was 17 or 18 and I pictured Joshua a guy with seemingly perfect life with a wife or about to get married...at such young age and I thought his life is perfect that’s why he could talk. but the world is full of bad guys and people have deep wounds.... it was idealistic at best. I believed what he said was right however. It was a call to stop guys sleeping around and marry women instead. It was a good attempt for a young guy. I did the same never slept around However I also got divorced from a pastor kid and I had never dated. I wished I had. These days and age you have to know men and what they think. I will also encourage my daughter to date. I am still a Christian after struggling with the divorce. I thought I would loose my mind but God rescued me. Church will always be judgmental of my divorce status that’s fine I made peace with it. I thought I was perfect keeping myself for marriage now here I am. I am letting God teach me my next step in marriage.
Thank you so much for sharing this with us! Sorry for the disappointments you encountered along the way. I love that you have placed it all in God's hands.
PS I also read the book when I was 18
Thank you Peeerly for sharing and sorry for your divorce. No one ever wishes to divorce. We live in a fallen world whereby nobody's life is perfect, only Jesus was. Do not regret your past, my dear, I believe that everything happens the way it is for God to be glorified. I am pleased to see that you have let the matters in God's hands.
Same. I got married at 20, divorced at 33. It was a shock to discover that I could be unevenly yoked with a Christian lady.
It was almost comical how my ex-wife and I where miss-matched. I was an early morning person, she is a night owl. My love language is gifts, hers listening. I believe in stricter parenting, she’s a liberal. Worse though, I wanted sex frequently, she occasionally.
It was never going to work. I wish we had lived together before hand so I could find out we where incompatible before saying “I do”.
@@AaronFromGuildford one of the benefits of chastity and intentional dating is having these talked about before marriage and being able to be more objective, in terms of lifestyle, how you want to raise your kids etc.
when marriage isn’t necessary many don’t think about being compatible long term when they are young, they bond to fast and go too far physically before knowing or being intentional, so once they get married or have children many years down the line they find out they are not as compatible as they thought.
With the intimacy there’s s always gonna be a gender divide, men need to be considerate and women need to see it as their duty, thus fill in the gap.
The churches have abysmally poor marriage counseling. They need to teach the youth how to date and the purpose of dating, then how to be married and how to be parents.
What we have now is woefully inadequate!! The 50% divorce rate is bad enough, but 70% of married Christian men are addicted to pornography (and that includes 50% of married pastors)! Church, we have a serious problem here!!!
A true, devoted follower of Jesus cant out the blame on any one person for ruining their life, especially the author of a book who is likely a complete stranger! Any one mature enough to pursue a relationship, should have the discernment when reading to pick out the good and discard what isnt helpful or biblical. So we can't blame his past ideas for our problems.
It seems that Josh Harris got caught up in the passion of a movement, and following certain sets of rules, rather than actually repenting of sin, and leaning on the grace of Jesus Christ in all.
Its important to remember that all Christian authors, celebrities, etc (whose true quality of faith is known to the Lord) are fallible human beings that can carry Gods message but must be measured against the standard of God's Word, and not put on a pedestal.
And I think that dating as defined by the world, yes, isnt pleasing to God; the hookup culture and careless throwing away of our hearts and bodies. Even the focus on just having fun and doing what makes us happy- rather then a focus on pleasing God and serving the other person in love. With God's help, i do believe we can redeem dating by making those two things our goal. If we truly want to honor God, He will give us the strength to do so. Being in the Word and prayer is so important to give us wisdom in relationships, as well as accountability and mentoring🙌🏻
And even when we do find a truly godly mate, God hasnt promised smooth sailing all the way. In fact, Jesus said we will have trouble in this world...and marriage is two sinful human beings coming together as one. Its a learning process where we are humbled and learn how to give others the grace that we have been given. Sometimes it will be hard. And thats why its about covenant, not a feelings based contract. Marriage Gods way displays to the world His unconditional love to sinners like us.
Yes, our faith is in JESUS!! 🙌🏻
Great thoughts!
He was really young when he wrote I Kissed Dating Goodbye. We shouldn’t trust Christian leaders and writers so much--especially when they themselves are so young and inexperienced. As a Christian, I believe we should keep ourselves pure until marriage. But in the early 80’s and 90’s we put too much emphasis on keeping young people apart. We shamed young people for having feelings for one another. We were over reacting to the free sex and the degrading of women in our society. Now, we should be thankful if our children are actually attracted to the opposite sex!! Yes. There still should be boundaries, but we need to be wise and carefully loving and helping our children. Everyone is different. I have two happily married daughters who had very different dating experiences. I am glad we gave leave way in both situations and did not follow some rule book or personality like Josh Harris. We just wanted to honor the Lord and His Word.
We shouldn't trust a young college aged guy who doesn't know jack about life! There is literally a generation of women who are single (probably for life) because of this jackass. The fact that he renounced his faith and ministry proves I'm correct! Church be more discerning in your understanding!
We shouldn't trust people who have not thoroughly studied the Bible to be in leadership positions, and there needs to be a more unified body amongst Protestants to help regulate what's being put out in the name of God and the Church. Given that the scriptures are ancient and born of a different culture, it's essential that people be trained in understanding the Scriptures before they are given a position to teach others.
I actually read a little bit of the book and thought that it had some good ideas but I definitely didn't agree with a lot of it, I think personally dating isn't in its self bad. Just like with everything, it's all in the way you look at, if you and your significant other set boundaries for each other and keep yourselves uncountable to each other as well as to God, you can date and prepare yourselves for marriage.
Appreciate you're thoughts on this!
When Christians label former Christians not a "real Christian," does that help them in feeling that they aren't going to fall from the faith because they're "real" Christians?
How do you know if people are real Christians? Isn't that between them and God?
Spartan 351 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 1 John 2:19
By the fruit they bare.
Ok, so Josh Harris was a major pastor and influenced millions of lives in the 90s. I was one of them. Is her not a real Christian?
Spartan 351 Judas Iscariot was a major Apostle and influenced many lives. Was he not a real Christian? “They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.” 1 John 2:19
So you're only guide if one is a Christian or not is it they die as one?
"it's more like OUR law without God's grace" - that's exactly what the Pharisees taught! They added onto God's law and taunted those who didn't obey THEIR law to the smallest detail.
I feel like Josh Harris is not really taking accountability for the fact that he took it upon himself to speak on behalf of God without waiting for God to give him the wisdom to speak. Rather than owning that monumental mistake and asking God for forgiveness, he’s denying God and blaming Jesus for his own failures.
Not cool.
I was 16 when 21 year old Harris wrote this book. Spirit told me to resistit 100%. I told my folks i would only date as a path to marraige. But the rest was nuts!
In Christ alone he is my guidance to all areas of my life.
Christ himself sent people to teach. That can't be bypassed. People are fallible 🤷♀️
Saying you are married to the wrong person because of one book and it ruined your life is a lie! Thats a person who refused to group and face their real problems. Actually, i bet you their were very few who actually said that, but i was really more marketing. Marteking has completely infiltrated the church for ego stroking. When relationship in God and eachother is our mandate. Use something as a vehicle that takes the place of what jesus told us to do, like always big concerts and "movement" instead of those "boring" things like faith and love...and the devil will tear yall apart
I read this book when I was 17 years old. I decided not to follow his advice.
But many friends decided to try to follow them, many without success, some with successful marriages and some with unsuccessful marriages, a mix.
The problem is that the book laid the groundwork for many pastors to bombard their youth. Making them abandon Christianity, making them feel miserable, making them make decisions they would have made differently (like marrying a girlfriend they had sex with, even if that sex was bad, or despite no longer wanting to continue dating).
Thank God this wave of Puritanism is over.
I wish Joshua Harris all the best.
I stopped watching the moment you mentioned that you haven't read the book.
I never read the book. But if the book calls for preserving sexual purity before marriage, that is one thing he was right about among all the wrong things he could have taught.
It's not like that was a new idea by any stretch
We just took at a message that said, no matter what just don't f***. Whatever you do, let that first f*** be with your wife.
When someone renounces their faith in Jesus it comes down to a few things, usually one main reason is there is an ongoing sin in one's life that they're unwilling to repent of. I wonder why he was so apologetic to the LGBTQ community?. God knows.
I actually read all 3 of his books: "I kissed dating goodbye", Sex is not the problem, lust is" and "Boy meets girl". That was 8 years ago. They have helped me a lot in my walk in sexual purity.
When guys ask girls out and they get rejected, it's painful and embarrassing for them. They seem to think the girl has said no because she thinks the guy is a nerd.
Perhaps a book needs to be written called 'Why Girls Say No.' To help guys improve their chances of getting a yes and to realise that sometimes the girl has said no for reasons that don't have anything to do with him.
9:35 it feels like Josh was so close to finding the TRUE message of Christ. He acknowledged his own broken state, his hypocrisy. We're all hypocrites Josh! That's the amazing thing about Christ is that he isn't one!
Casting out your entire faith for fallacies you find in yourself is like shaving your head over a few grey hairs. I have not read the whole book, but I value it because God used in early in my faith to confirm ending a relationship with another Christian, who is upstanding and had no error, but wasn't what God wanted for me. His now wife is my best friend and I get to see how they lived out the book before marriage, and they are very strong in their marriage now. This man seems to be placing the concept of perfection on himself and others instead of recalling the reality of our imperfection and need for Christ. If God isn't the center of your relationships, platonic or otherwise, you will not find peace and balance.
That interview with him gave me zero clarity why he made his decision. It seems like he got out of it kind of easy. It seems like nothing happened to him intellectually, he just wanted/needed a divorce.
I read the book in 1997 and followed the advice, here I am 23 years later at the age of 46 and still single.
I don't think that's on him. Not everyone is called to marriage. Turn to God and His call for your life.
You need to travel to the Philippines. You’ll end your single status a day after you land, and no, I’m not talking about visiting their red light district.
Fly to Manila, then go to Visias or Palawan, head to the city centre, food market, beach and just enjoy conversations. You’ll know what to do. 👍🏻
@David Voicecoil I wouldn't take it that far cause humans are created in marriage. I will read that text but it doesn't sound well interpreted cause it doesn't make sense for the creation of humans
@David Voicecoil which chaptee specifically
There is no formula to getting a spouse. Marriage is a gift from God, you can’t work the system
Maybe he just wants to date some hot women some spicy MoMA-citas, some sassy dames, and had to dis-associate from the book.... I'm sure that exactly what's going on 😎
The point of courting instead of dating is so you won't hurt each other's feelings and feel awkward when you have to say no to a guy when he asks you out on a date or if going on the date, you have to say you don't want to go on another one with him.
But I'm a female and when I ask other females to meet up with me during the week, as friends, and they say no, it hurts and makes me feel embarrassed even if they have a good reason for saying no. And when females say yes and then afterwards don't invite me out in return or flat out tell me they don't want to meet up again, that hurts and embarrasses me too. But does that mean we should come up with a special way of pursuing same-sex friendships?
You have to know what the Bible says to be able to properly discern the information you are getting. I learned this lesson late, but thank God, I learned it.
Please stop saying people aren't really in the Faith. Lots of true believers leave
It’s true though. If they left, they never were believers. Accept the truth even though it’s a hard pill to swallow 🤷🏾♂️
Just now watching this video. I have read the book I kissed dating Goodbye. There was things I agreed with but the rest I didn't agree as it was to much on the point of view of a man. Not on a womans pov for dating as a believer. I appreciate your talk about it :)
The danger of a hardened heart
I was raised in a Seventh-Day Adventist Church, which is like, 10 times worse on dating and courtship.
Lol at still making excuses for this crap.
I am tired of that Josh guy, and people need to take responsibility of their own lives.
Elizabeth Elliots book, Passion and Purity, was the original book of godly dating. Josh, I will pray the Lord comes back in your life.
Wow that was some really wise commentary !! I have not read the book but I see what you mean! Let’s pray for the people that are leaving Christianity because of disappointment, to be reminded that the people that we have around us will ALWAYS disappoint us, but God never does❤ Being in a relationship is not the beginning nor the end of life! We have abundant life in Jesus not “in relationship” !! ❤ Be encouraged! You are never alone❤
I think it’s very interesting you didn’t give him your actual feedback to his face. And I mean that, as interesting. Feels very off to me and very typical of people coming from a Christian perspective.
Religion drains, it only regulates behavior without changing the nature. Not surprising, people are getting sick of it.. Unfortunately, most religious people never knew Christ or somewhere along the way traded Him for self-righteousness.. at first you don’t notice, but over time you become too far gone..
I believe us Christians should stop looking at their relationship with God as transactional. We should choose to be “pure” because God is a Holy God and we want to honor him with our lives, our sexuality, instead of doing it so that would see me as deserving of a good husband and bless me. God doesn’t “owe” a virgin a good marriage, while ignoring someone who has sex before marriage. You would only have a good marriage because you and your spouse make the foundation of your marriage God and intentional work on making it work.
I was so steeped in the “purity culture” before 25, and I’m so grateful to God that I’m out of it.
I echo your sentiments Isaac. however, I am led to ask if Joshua Harris every truly encountered Christ because if he did then he would not preach legalism but lead to people to a relationship with Jesus. His failure to measure his walk and journey from a spiritual perspective based on scripture is where he went wrong. He was led by popular opinion in a secular community and not by God.
Hey Dude,
This is my first time viewing your work, but if you’re a Christian, and discussing anything relating to Our Lord, shouldn’t you begin by inviting Him to be present while you’re discussing anything related to life and His presence within us, the believers/followers/doers? Beginning with Prayer is the first step in His wisdom being passed from your lips to the listeners ears. Without prayer, without His presence, is all just movement of air!
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Thank you, Jack!
"Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil". I Tim 3:6
He is like: okay. I misguided people while I was a pastor, but… this is not my personal mistake, it is all Christianity is WRONG(not me, but all others).
Some comments sound like “wow, what a brave man. Not all Christian leaders do that”.
And I think that it is not the same. He didn’t accept the need for his change because he was sinning and dishonoring God. No. He said that THE WHOLE CHRISTIANITY IS WRONG, and he is not going to change or continue being among those WRONG PEOPLE who do not understand God.
This is soooooooo sad and scary. Honestly, it shook me.
I think we should think about this: “He was right, now he is wrong”.
But not like he says: “I was wrong but I’m right.”
My youth pastor was all into that crap. I knew it was bogus.
Mind you I didn’t date anyway. Better things to do with my money.
Still knew it was rubbish.
You havent read the book? Lol What do you think youre doing?
It's a short brief read. It's straightforward and appealing in its godly approach to dating.
Renouncing it seems strange and irrational to me but Joshua has sadly abandonded the Bible and his book was based on simple and plain biblical principles.
Your comments about the influence of the book are wrong. The plain emphasis throughout the book IS honoring God in our relationships.
The bgm makes it hard to listen
Maybe this wasnt the time or place but what is he considering he was wrong about? Awesome that hes repented but lets dail it in. Why does he feel purity is wrong? Whats the difference between courting and dating... is it the physicality or sex or both - and why is that wrong exactly? Lastly how does his confession lead to deconstructioning his faith. A lot of generalities he was saying here.
Amen! Sometimes people leave Christianity because they haven't talked to God anymore and haven't seen His miracles in a long time. We always have to work on our relationship with the Lord. Also we have to remember that being Born Again\Christianian is not a religion but our relationship with the God.
Right on!
John 6:28-29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
The Bible also says a child can be stoned to death, has a talking snake and gives great advice on how to treat your slaves. Romani ite domum.
Thease people were never christians
The book has a few harris seis
Great video. So sad that josh is walking away from the Lord.
I agree with what you said about reading books with discernment. My husband and I had read his book prior to meeting one another and chose to
court, but picked and chose the boundaries we felt were right for us. I was 24 and he was 34 and were still happily married. :)
I don't believe he was a christian to begin with, once a christian there are trials but there is no turning back.
It’s possible he wasn’t a believer to begin with... but where do we draw the line? Paul warns people of being taken captive by worldly philosophies... from joshuas posts it is clear he is speaking from the position of worldly philosophy. Paul was speaking to Christians.
It's possible to change your beliefs including Christian beliefs.
Hate when people say that. You don't know the relationship I had with Christ and how real that was to me at the time. But people are allowed to change and grow. I used to think the same way
@@neighborhoodgoblinman The bible is clear on this :). Can you imagine living a life where you are constantly worrying if you're saved or not?
Why do you suppose the Apostle Paul gave so many warnings of backsliding if it were not possible ?
Hebrews 10:38-39
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are NOT of them who draw back unto perdition: but of them that BELIEVE TO THE SAVING OF THE SOUL.
This book kept my girls pure for the love of life! Plus, after my husband’s death, 7 years later I remarried with the principles! Great marriage with don’t touch me until I’ve been in the Word and in prayer keeping the commandment of God is first! Applying knowledge of God gives great blessings!
Classic, if someone ever walks away from the faith they were never really a believer to begin with. Hardly surprising, just deny anything that doesn't look good. But that too reflects badly upon Christianity.
That book was an amazing and life changing book. I still think so even though I something from the book I don't practice anymore. If people don't have brains or discernment to know when a message applies and doesn't apply then it's their fault. Pharisee behaviour
Good review of this complex situation. These turn of events in the church need describing. Joshua H. life decisions have an impact on the family of faith. Its been a long time simmering in my heart over the years. I believe we need to teach our children how to navigate dating to avoid the traps that get set for a young heart. I believe many of those principles still hold healthy outcomes.
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In terms of the dating topic, the ancient world never dated. So in reality, Josh has a point in his book about it leading us away. Think about how much our culture today doesn’t reflect how the world, as a whole, ran for thousands of years. We are the outliers.
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Yeah i thought that book was nuts. But to be honest God examine the heart and knows what's in your mind. So if you don't see anything happening examine your heart and your motives you'll be surprised. God will heal that issue first and freedom is better than any great person you might meet.
I don't care that he deny Jesus. Not new cos judas escariot s the first disciple who disown his own God
Praying he returns to Jesus.
Josh i a good person. 😐
I rescently discovered your chanel, and I love so much about your views, but I think this is the second time I hear you question if someone actually were a Christian before saying they're not anymore. Maybe you've answered this somewhere and I just didn't watch it yet, but do you believe that about everyone walking away from faith? Do you think once a Christian always a Christian?
Once a baptized soul always a baptized soul. A Christian is one who practices Christianity. An apostate is one who abandons a religious belief.
According to this video, Harris would be an apostate since he ‘excommunicated himself.’ So he believes Christianity is true still but he has rejected it and thus has also rejected the grace of God.
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So the logic behind this is: You're only a true Christian when you die a Christian. Is that Biblical?
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 1 John 2:19
If you truly believe in Christ and have a relationship with Him and know the truth, you won't miraculously change your mind and walk away from the faith. It's a sign of someone not fully accepting that Jesus is truth and applying the tools and knowledge of the bible
Happens all the time
This guy proves the old proverb to be true:
“Women regret the sex they had before marriage, and men regret the sex the DIDN’T have before marriage”.
That’s disgusting. Women mostly regret it for their husbands sake, for his glory and wanting him to be comfortable and happy bout her past.
Yes, many men desire sexual diversity but it does not bring any profound meaning, only destruction.
Sounds like Judaism.
I don't mean to be loose with my comments, but there seems to be something very feminine about the way Josh is communicating, homosexual body language.
Might be just me, but he seems to be giving of those vibes
We can only pray that Josh is not an apostate, spoken of in Hebrews 6 and 10.
Holy molly Harris never knew the Gospel! By Grace we are saved not our works. How did a guy like that pastor? Amen bro...grace or i aint making it. If a prostitute or theif on the cross...or me for that matter, can live in Christ and go to heaven, then these rules are ... Blaa.....