M2 Ultra Mac Pro vs Mac Studio Test: Did Apple TROLL us?
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I bought a maxed out Mac Pro, with only 1TB. I have 16 TB's of OWC SSD storage and moved over my 48 TB's of hard drive storage from my intel Mac Pro. All running silent. While you say we could have done this with the Studio, the problem is all external drives are too loud for my studio. Trust me, I have tried them all. When you own PCIE storage, going with the Studio would have cost me more money to change everything over, plus I couldnt have used so little of ports.
I think there is more people like me than you think.
I would stick an Areca 1886 raid controller with 8GB of cache 😁…on pci-e x8.
Do a video on it.
what do you need 48TB for?
I think the real issue, is that Apple charged you $3000 extra just to have the ability to do what you did. If there really is indeed more people like you as you say, then Apple is really screwing over a lot of people. My hope is that this Mac Pro is just a holdover product until they release the “real” Mac Pro, something with more that really makes it worth it. Such as an upgradable SoC and/or a dedicated Apple Silicon GPU chip that can also be upgraded or expanded on over time.
Personally, I’d rather just build/buy a NAS with the extra money the pro costs if only using it for storage.
Apple is definitely getting this first generation of Mac Pros out in the wild, while they prepare for a new exclusive chip with the M3 (call it Extreme or whatever). because right now, the Pro has absolutely no advantage.
That's what I've been thinking. I honestly thought there was gonna be a new variant called Extreme.
Yeah I've thought that this isn't really the Mac Pro Apple wanted to release, but they had to get it to market with Apple Silicon so they did the best they could with what they had at the time. I think the "real" Mac Pro will be released next year with an M3 based Mac Pro, maybe one with 2 Ultra's attached called M3 Extreme or something like that and make that exclusive to the Mac Pro. There will be a few that buy this gen Mac Pro and if they see a need to upgrade to the M3 one they'll do it.
> the Pro has absolutely no advantage.
Not totally true, the main advantage of the Mac Pro is the PCIe expansion, which many Pro users will benefit from, e.g people working in audio/music production. But for the average consumer, I agree that the Mac Pro has no advantage
@@louistin you can get external PCIe boxes for the Mac Studio (also mentioned in this video), the support will be better and also included in Mac OS Sonoma anyways.
@@at_oussama Yes, I saw, and it does raise a fair point. However, one thing is that setups become fragmented, if external PCIe enclosures used with the max studio. The Mac Pro with a single unified enclosure and unified thermals may be more appealing to Professionals (If I were in the position of actually needing PCIe support, I would much prefer the Mac Pro), and the increased price is unlikely to be an issue for Professionals
Please don’t stop making content. I really enjoy your enthusiasm for Mac products.
@@roastme2079Then don’t watch it..?
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I think Apple was quite clear, the Mac Pro is for that small segment of professionals who really need those PCIe slots for their cards. Barring that the Mac Studio with Ultra is the Mac Pro, and it is an amazing machine! Am so glad all the rumors that Mac Studio was a one-off machine, and it wouldn't get a refresh were all proven wrong!!
It also makes the maxed out Studio appear cheaper, the same way the biggest size of drink/popcorn/whatever is there so people choose the medium.
If you need a lot of SSD storage, and especially if you need a quiet environment, like a recording studio, the Mac Pro makes a lot of sense. You can add a Sonnet Fusion carrier and put two 3.5" drives on top for archival storage, too. Right now, there aren't a lot of good options for external NVMe enclosures that hold multiple NVMe sticks. And, most are only currently Thunderbolt 3. If you want the fastest SSD capability, and don't want noisy boxes, a mess of external cabling, and dealing with wall warts, the Mac Pro will take care of that. When you add up the cost of external boxes and cabling, it starts eating up that $3k you thought you were saving, pretty quickly.
Very good point!
I'm due for an upgrade and I'm with you - I can do the Studio with my 3 slot PCI chassis like I have for my 2018 mini, but getting rid of all my USB hubs, TB chassis, and drive docks is appealing for reliability and simplicity .
That’s why NAS exist. With a 10gbe connection and with the price of two 2tb ssd you can build a nas with around 40TB or more with reducing and speed around 1,000MB/s using 10gbe or around 1,500 MB/s using thunderbolts and if you studio cabin isn’t isolated enough to deal with the noise, well you should fix it
@@gsanchez922 I have a professional studio that has a machine room that used to be packed with computers, years ago. Cable lengths are an issue these days, though, so it's best to have the computer close. I currently have a 2019 Mac Pro which is virtually silent. Can't hear it at all. The 2023 Mac Pro is the same (no need to put it in a noise isolation cabinet). That "fixes" the problem, by never having a problem to begin with. Again, if you need a lot of storage and peripherals, adding up the cost of enclosures, cabling, noise isolation cabinets, etc. really cuts into that $3k "savings" by not getting the Mac Pro.
@LeeBlaske A Synclavier owner uniquely understands the difference between price and value.
For those who have to run capture and sound cards having it installed inside saves space and power sockets. Having more power than you need is always a plus as expansion is not always planned for but it’s nice to have.
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Apple m2 Mac por Vs intel i9 13900kf. Rtx4090. I am waiting to see who will win
That’s cool, with Mac Studio fitting inside Mac Pro 😁 I heard (a wild rumor) that when M3 goes down to 3nm, Apple will be able to merge FOUR of the Max chips to create an Ultra x2 (maybe they’ll call it M3 Extreme). And THAT will be the exclusive high-end option for a future Mac Pro, making it the ultimate Mac choice again at much higher price. I think current Mac Pro is a test-run for built-in PCIe slots, because that’s something more difficult to throughly test in the secret lab due to need for compatibility with various third-party hardware and drivers.
Cant wait for a comparison between the M2 Ultra VS M1 Ultra (that I own) in GPU performance in Adobe premiere, After effects and Davinci resolve (using PUGIT bench tests) - see how the GPU performance improved it real life tests
Waiting for Resolve on puget benchmarks please!
There are still environment that requires that PCI-E bus, external chassis might not cut it for some cards as it uses bifurcation and not a true lane.
Even PCI bus is not fully “unleashed” to be used as a media server
Just waiting for the next gen iMac Pro.
I have the 2017 Xeon W iMac Pro which is still a workhorse for professional work on a daily basis and it’s the best investment I have ever made. Has paid for itself countless times.
Great job on the video.
Cheers
There definitely seems to be a misunderstanding of the Mac Pro. It’s purely for Mac Studio buyers who needs expandability. If you don’t need the pci slots then get a Mac Studio. The beefier power supply and the extra fans are to cool the additional pci cards that get fitted into the Mac Pro.
Great video guys! I sure hope Apple gives us an update that unlocks the power draw on the Mac Pro and lets it be sort of over locked if you will, because that power supply and thermal management is such a waste right now. I also hope they’re secretly making their own proprietary graphics cards to boost GPU performance since the old Mac Pro could use four GPUs. At the very least, if Apple doesn’t do that, maybe somebody will figure out a way to sort of hack the system as if it’s a hackintosh and make it work with the old MPX modules?
I don't know why "unified:" ram. Is it really better? I like having the ability to expand.
5:25 It's probably not a cost saving thing, I think it's telling about how many transistors they have to spend on other things to get the efficiency that they have, that they can only fit 32 PCIe lanes into this gigantic 2-die solution that's almost 1000mm2 in total. It would be more cost saving it they didn't have these PCIe switches so only two PCIe ports would have access to the 2 16x lanes.
In the end, I do want them to and hope that they get a quad-die MX Max variant working though, so we have a bit more gen 5 lanes in the future that we can work with than barely being able to support this many PCIe slots.
On all of your temperature comparison graphics it says "(Degrees F)" even though they are in celsius. Something to amend for your next videos. Great video!
Sorry if I missed this in your review: does the M2 Ultra Mac Studio include the Afterburner functionality ? Apple announced the "M2 Ultra Studio Pro" having the 7X faster Afterburner however no mention of the "M2 Ultra Mac Studio" having this feature. If this is true, then the new 2023 Studio Pro's provide something more than just PCI slots "...an included Afterburner - the addtional price for the Pro tower starts to make sense for certain workflows. If all new M2 ultra chips actually include an Afterburner (including the new M2 Ultra Studio) Apple should promote this.
Would be interested in seeing a geek bench scorer in a parallels windows environment, and perhaps running some real time benchmarks in 3D software
Id be interested in that too. Still waiting for the dgpu support on Mac Pro m2….
I don't see why it's getting so much bad press. I can't be bothered with the 2013 mac scenario of drives / adaptors and cables everywhere which come with the mac studio. The mac pro has the same power but allows me to run all my drives internally and avoid using docks for extra TB ports etc. I appreciate £3K is a lot but if you remove the VAT / Dock / Keyboard etc then it's not a massive extra cost. The fact that the studio is £8K is more of the issue and it looks like a CD player. I tend to keep my macs for a long time so I'd rather something where storage wasn't limited by the speed of Thunberbolt 3. That might be fast now but probably not in 3 years time.
those extra fans in the MP are total overkill until you load it up with passively cooled nvme trays full of SSDs
I thought they would have overclocked the M2 on the mac pro.. so much cooling capacity
I agree, plus the power supply is so overkill that I feel it’s a bummer not to use a little more of it
One thing to mention for anyone upgrading from a 2019 Mac Pro to the new M2 Ultra Mac Pro is that upgrading from the 2019 to the M2 Ultra Mac POro one can transfer a bunch of internal accessories from the 2019 tower to the M2 tower. For example, in my 2019 Mac Pro I have the Pegasus J2i enclosure (in my case having 8TB + 16TB disks), 2x Sonnet PCIe cards holding two 4TB (4x Samsung SSD blades), a Kyro PCIe card hold a 2TB Samsung SSD blade - and all of this gear can transfer to the M2 Ultra and be compatible. These things originally cost some $3,200, and are not possible to transfer to the M2 Ultra Mac Pro. The big plus for the M2 Mac Pro is its expandability, its ability to make use of much of what was added to the 2019 Mac Pro. This IMO close the cost difference substantially.
What’s the point of comparing a server to a workstation? If you don’t understand their usage in different use case, you don’t need it anyway.
Nice video - definitely food for thought around the returns on that extra 4k investment! Would love to see some direct test comparisons running Blender and Adobe Premiere Pro - even against a decent-spec'd Windows PC with an Nvidia GeForce 3060 or 4000 series.
You should compare the Mac Pro to the 2019 model!
I still feel this video is not fair because The Mac Studio doesn't have the maxed Processor like Mac Pro
Ok, so you say celsius but the graphic says F (Fahrenheit) so which is it? 85 degrees celsius sounds extremely hot and would likely melt stuff (85C=185F)
Are you going to do the video editing benchmarking video with both of these? Final Cut Pro, Resolve, Premier. Nice to see how much faster the Ultra 2 chip is.
So the only real point of the pro over the studio is music production, where you’ll need to add PCI cards? For video production, doesn’t seem worth it at all.
It would be interesting to see a comparison testing the fan(s) at different speeds and if it affects performance? I'm particularly interested in Mac Pro vs. Mac Studio vs. Mac Mini and MBP 16 vs. MBP 14 vs. MBA 15, especially at low rpm/db levels.
The Mac Studio is half the price? That's crazy!
What’s more crazy is that the Pro is 2x the price of the Studio.
The Mac Pro 7.1 price was justified because the modular architecture, the possibility to install two operating systems, multiple gpus, tons of ecc ram, it had multiple pci lanes thanks to Xeon. Now the Mac Pro 2023 is completely useless, it's not a good investment for 3d creators like me. As I said in a previous post, Apple hadn't to release a new Mac Pro because the lack of professional cpus and gpus. Today if you buy one Xeon, one Asus pci 5.0 workstation motherboard, 128GB ecc DDR 5 ram, two RTX 4090s, 4TB of Nvme ssds, one 1600W power supply....you spend less money and you get a more powerful modular system. Professional creators don't care about the power bill. Sorry Apple, this time I'm gonna invest my money on Windows stuff.
Yes, it was a quite pathetic move. However, I still hope they will address this issue. It's evident that they struggled to scale out the M2. The harsh truth is that Apple never intended the M series to scale out to many cores. If they had, we would have seen a much more significant difference. Additionally, I believe they never anticipated that AMD would be able to create a monstrous processor with 64 cores, 96 cores, and even 128 cores. Now, it's impossible for them to compete with that. They will need to rearchitect the M series if they want to have any chance of keeping up.
Also, AMD just showed MI300 that.
I can't figure out why people thought the new Mac Pro was going to be this modular system using thirds party GPUs lmao.
It was obviously going to use the same SOC architecture as they already had. The only thing we didn't know is if it was going to have a much more powerful version over the Apple Studio.
if you are 3d “ artist”, just use fucking cinema4d with Octane render or Corona render you have fucking best work station!
No one needs Nvidia or AMD now
@@edipocdfThe most far from truth comment ever! Apple need to catch AMD? With what? Marketing? Number of cores?
Dude, Waze up, all the rest need to catch with Apple Silicon evolution in terms of performance, efficiency, low power usage and silence. What do you know about tech! Sheesh… You remind me with Samsung and Microsoft ads….BTW, AMD is losing to Intel again after reigning for 2-3yrs. Intel is bating them again in everything apart of the price, lol! But they are all on one league and Apple is on a whole different league. They are all playing catchup desperately. Wait few month for he M3, Apple’s HW Raytracing and new designed GPUs. And the new Gaming kit. Come back after a year and 2 and tell me how far from the truth you are/ were!
I think Apple will announce a version of PCB card that has more MXX cpus, something like that afterburner card, and it will increase the processing power of the overall machine for really big tasks that can be processed through parallel computing.
And the Mac Pro will work as a little server tower.
I'd love to see a benchmark between the Mac Studio M2 and the 2019 Mac Pro Vega 2 Duo
We love your channel! Would be great to see an editing video-oriented comparison between Mac Studio Max M1 Vs M2..
Ok but what if you manually turn on the fans to the max, how is the performance then?
One thing that's hard to quantify is the benefit of putting stuff inside the case as opposed to outside. The Trashcan mac pros were a nightmare of fragile cable connections at odd angles, through which one ALWAYS had to wiggle a finger to hit the power button; and given the shape and airflow difficulty of mounting the thing well, it was usually unstable enough that cable disconnections were not uncommon. The Studio is a bit better in this regard, but still needs expensive mounting additions, and still requires such a tangle of cables that we see problems. But the Mac Pro has the ability to put most of what you need on the inside rather than through relatively fragile cable connections, which makes a big difference in many situations. And you don't have to thread your finger through all the cables to turn the thing on. Maybe not worth the difference in a home situation, or one-user situation; but often worth the price difference in, say, an academic laboratory where you have multiple users that are both more likely to upset cable connections, and less able to diagnose the resulting problems.
As a professional UI/UX designer for a large tech company, that Figma file looks pretty light weight. A true design workflow at scale would have to factor in multiple component libraries (standardized components), local components, multiple iterations, branching, versioning, etc.
The true test I’ve found is how long it takes to load a complex prototype. Exporting isn’t a very useful test… not a real world use case in most design deliverables.
I have an M1 Max and it cuts through these files like a hot knife through butter. I could only imagine how well a M2 Max would do…
I think it would be very interesting to see a video that discusses the edge cases -- those people in certain niche groups that *do* actually need a Mac Pro for whatever kind of advantage(s) all the PCIe expansion allows for -- could even be slightly different from your usual content...you could interview whatever Hollywood creators, engineers, scientists, whatever and see how they use all this stuff! Maybe not a direction you're interested in taking your channel, but I think it would be really cool to see!
when will your review about the M2 studio max come? I'm soooo curious!
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Hello Thanks for all the testing, its getting time for me to update my Imac 5K and I think I have the chosen the machine the base level Mac M2 Ultra Studio. all I have to do is find the money.
As you said, it seems Apple gave up on trying to make the Mac Pro the "Destroy All Windows" machine they had envisaged and just decided to use it instead to highlight the value of the Mac Studio. And actually, as your teardown showed, the Studio is an incredibly technologically dense machine - vastly different from the Mini which is still a lot of empty space.
I do still think Apple will try to make a ridiculously powerful Mac Pro down the line though, just for brand prestige.
Basically the results I expected from an oversized refrigerator lol! Please do LOTS of 3D rendering comparisons in the 60 vs. 76 core upcoming video! Blender, Octane, Redshift benchmarks pleeeease!!!
I hoping to get a Mac Studio next year. I still edit with a 2017 5K i7 iMac for pro use for wedding photography. I only play with video as a hobby but I upgraded my 5d4 to the R6ii and my iMac struggles. It took me 18 hours to post a 1 hr 15 min video 4K 60 to TH-cam. Transcoding to proxies, Editing time, rendering & exporting time, and uploading to TH-cam then processing in TH-cam to 4K… I need a apple silicon mac in my life 😂
After 14 years of using Macs, our studio switched to PC. We're middle class creatives that work for a living. Steve Jobs knew about us. Tim does not. Tim's products are for the ultra rich.
You are 100% correct.
Briliant
really looking forward to some real-world tests on the high-end Studio vs M1 Ultra Studio. Show us some FCPX, Resolve, Premiere, After Effects(!!!) stats please!!!
Have also replaced my 7,1 Mac Pro with the new Studio. Can't wait to get it!
The 3d mark bench is interesting. It suggests the cpu is not capped by physics of frequency and voltage and has not reached the point of diminishing returns. It is rather limited by thermals and that apple allows the cpu to get.
I just picked up my Mac Studio M2 Ultra. I’ve been waiting for this video!
Just looks like slighting differently binned chips. Using the slightly more leaky ones in the Studio.
My camera eat 1TB in less than a hour when is set to full quality and I have the Mac Studio with 512 so how I deal is build a NAS with 80TB how much extra around 4.5K but storage isn’t a problem anymore
Will you guys be doing the m1 max and m2 max studio comparison , i just ordered the M2 Max 1tb 64gb and i'm so nervous lol
I’d like to know how quiet these machines are. My purposes would be solely audio recording/production via Pro Tools/DSP-PCI-e. I don’t see a lot of any throttling so is this MP dead quiet or does it have audible running noise?
Any chance you could do a Ram test of any sort to give us an idea if it's worth paying the upgrade to get 128 GB of RAM?
Can we use Mac pro as 2 pc.? Like 2 display and 2 keyboard connect and different work on both display?
Have the PCI slots been tested to run at full speed?
The fact that you still can't add a graphics card to the Mac Pro makes it useless in my opinion.
If you're upgrading from 2019 and have TBs of internal M.2s, that's good enough reason to get the Pro. Also, if comparing base configs, then agree the $3K pro tax seems absurd; however, more generously configured machines -- e.g,., $8.880 vs $11,800 for maxed out versions of each -- doesn't have the same wow factor, and even has Studio looking questionable IMO, esp. considering less reason to max out Pro on internal storage. But for those who are OK dangling a gaggle of storage off their box, and aren't already invested in a ton of PCIe-4 spec M.2, agree Studio is probably the better option.
A great test would be to get a 4x or 8x NVME hardware raid card and compare sustained read/write in a the Mac Pro 16x slot and then out the same card in a TB4 enclosure and run the same test on the Studio. This is likely the biggest benefit to the MacPro for super fast storage.
Can you clarify, when you were referring to temperature performance, you said verbally that the temp was Celcius, but the graphic you included said Fahrenheit... 7:49
No, they will not sell a lot of Mac Pros, but a PCI card "cage" (Sonnet) is about $1500 and is severely limited by the 40Gb Thunderbolt port. It can be justified- a post-production house or independent editor this beast would pay for itself in a few months.
Apples failure with the Mac Pro was not making the Apple Silicon portion replaceable. If they broke the Mac Pro into two boards, one being the unified system on a chip with all the ram, controllers, and what not, then have the rest of the parts, expansion board, IO, power supply, etc being being replaceable or customizable would have made it a lot more appealing. It would then make sense to buy the chassis, then buy the upgraded parts as Apple improves on their silicon. But instead it’s a box that’ll need to be tossed in 5/7 years.
Leaks show that was their original plan! 🤯🤯🤯
How many computers are you still using that are 7 years old?
@@MelvinAstrahan-b3f Personally, as a Mac user, average is about 7 years some have gone to 10. Some full use others repurposed. Clients I have seen them go 10/12 years and they really shouldn’t but upgrading is too costly. A machine where they could upgrade at quite a reduced cost on a regular basis would make sense. Then they’d probably upgrade every 6/7 years. With this continued trend I see them holding on to their machines for much longer.
Just because it's swappable doesn't mean people and companies are actually doing it. I don't think you understand the market for Mac Pro and who's actually buying them. It's not the small business photography and/or video editing companies, its major motion picture studios, major photography studios, music studios, etc. These people aren't interested in tearing a computer apart and swapping CPU's to get extra life out of a Mac. They buy as much as they can afford to do their job, use it until it's not as useful and then repeat the cycle. These people are not PC tinkerers as much you seem to think. They don't have time for that shit. Time is money to them so taking down half their day (possibly more if problems arise) is costing them valuable time and money.
So Apple Silicon not being swappable makes absolutely no difference long term. The ship sailed a long time ago on the Mac platform for being able to tear them apart and upgrade them. Also, the architecture of Apple Silicon doesn't make it possible and while you think thats a downfall it's exactly what makes it more powerful than a comparable Intel/AMD PC.
@@hanniffydinn6019 I imagine that is still a long term plan for them, maybe M4 🤣
Mac Pro with Apple Silicon... yeah, looks interesting as finally using Apple Silicon. But... this seems compromised, especially lack of RAM slot and no more dGPU support
and how many users actually install 1.5 TB of slow RAM?
I have the 2019 Mac Pro with 512GB of memory. For the new M2 (or later M3) Mac Pro to fill its niche, need a way to upgrade memory. I addition to using it as my primary workstation I run multi-core memory-intensive computations on the machine. 192GB is insufficient for some users, and buying 192GB from Apple comes at 2x the cost of similar memory on the 2019 Mac Pro. I had heard that they were looking at creating a daughter card allowing for memory upgrade. Hopefully that materializes.
damn 512gb. How many chrome tabs you got open bro?
@@vlcheish Heheh, actually using for scientific computing. Run large simulations. I suspect most Mac Pro owners are doing something computationally intensive (including creators here as well with video and image processing).
Hmm, quite hard to thermal throttle this M2 Ultra - scope for a smaller form-factor?
That intro with the Mac Studio inside de Mac Pro was very cool!
I agree that pricing the Mac Pro higher does make people accept and buy the Mac Studio thinking they're getting a better deal. The fact is that both machines are expensive, but because there's still no competition ahead, Apple will keep it as it is.
I want to see a comparason beetwen 5995wx, 256gb of ram, same amount of storage and 4090 vs maxed out mac studio
Great review but you skipped over the one area I think is key here. You mention the SSDs in the Mac Pro are upgradable unlike the Mac Studio. Given the SSDs can be used for swap memory then there is your upgradable “RAM” and can go up to 8GB, if you use a different SSD to run the machine off of. While you are right this is definitely a pro only machine, the use of SSDs to hold large files in virtual RAM with a smaller amount of RAM for actual active memory may have benefits in terms of crash recovery. Given this is likely aimed at large studios, then they may spend hours or days processing one file (such as a 3D video scene). If that crashes then the ability to recover most of the data from the SSD after a reboot may be more beneficial than the ability to hold large amount it data in actual RAM.
I reckon the best binned SOC's are being used in the Mac Pro
Have you tried running Davinci Resolve with Optical Flow turned on for a clip that is running slow motion. Then select time warp speed warp for motion estimation instead of project settings. This makes my Intel Mac Pro Fans go crazy. I'd be curious if this would get the fans going in the M2 MacPro.
Can you try to align / redirect the air flow of the bottom 2 fans to the CPU? like 3D printed board that lays diagonally maybe. to see if it helps with performance/heat.
I’m hoping on the upcoming videos tha you compare performance between the Studio Max & Ultra on DaVinci Resolve.
Very interesting reviews you’ve been providing…thanks!
We should not expect the performance to be different, however the use cases are different.
Would be interesting to test with actual PCI-E cards and explore compatibility ?
I think for that money, people should expect the performance to be different. This and the reality pro are flops.
@@itstheweirdguy reality pro isn’t out yet so a little too early to assess (even though I agree with you in that it doesn’t look that promising, and oddly priced…)
As for the Mac Pro, they are not promising more performance but more compatibility - the main disappointment imo is the lack of compatibility with GPUs…
However it can be a very powerful machine for a music producer who uses PCI-E cards for their audio gear (which happens quite a bit in big name music studios for example).
No question - The Mac Studio for me - smaller, cheaper, and it will do the job.
What? The M2 Ultra Mac Pro only has 1/4 of the performance of an Intel W9-3495X, a CPU seen on similarly priced PCs. That CPU can get a score of 100,000 in Cinbench R23 (at 4.2GHz).
Will you do a comparison between max intel Mac Pro vs m2 version ?
FCPX stabilization tests? In former M2 Max it didn’t move the needle… does M2 Ultra change anything?
Thanks!
Trying to find a use case for the Mac Pro is tough.
Really, the main overall difference is if your workflow requires more IO which the Mac Pro provides in one box. could people needing more flexibility get by with a studio? I’m sure it could be done but then you are dealing with extra external boxes and auxiliary connections which is a problem when setting up at a location where you have no control over the amount of space available for location production. The Mac Pro will make using video card configuration for broadcasting much easier including fiber channel storage options which bring peace of mind to those who need it - if you need to think about it you don’t need a pro -
To me, it looks like they wanted the Mac Pro to have 2 M2 Ultras (M2 Master? M2 Extreme?) but they failed at that, so they just gave up and released the way it is for now.
They run so cool that I really feel like they are leaving a lot of performance on the table. If there was some way to overclock these things so that you could use some of that ridiculous thermal headroom on the Mac Pro, it might be more tempting 😂
$3000 for the OPTION to add PCIe port accessories. Mac Studio is the one to get for 95% of people.
how is cooling paste cpu in mac studio. because after 2 years with my PC the cooling paste cpu was crumbling and totally dry
Wishing it to support CXL2 on the next one which then could add GPGPU and run heavy calculation tasks.
I think Apple will announce a version of PCB card that has more MXX cpus, something like that afterburner card, and it will increase the processing power of the overall machine for really big tasks that can be processed through parallel computing.
And the Mac Pro will work as a little server tower.
They could announce this way to work with the Mac Pro (ARM) in the next event as “One More Thing” moment.
It’s clear to me that the Mac Pro doesn’t offer much advantage except for the pci ports. The Mac Studio M2 Ultra is the real beast here and the one i want to go for.
Can you do a video about mac pro using different pcie slot
Waiting for the M3. You made it quite clear before it was delayed.
Good Lord this guy is handsome! I went to the Apple Store yesterday and hardly anyone was playing with it or checking it out. In fact, I saw more purchases of the new 15 inch MacBook Air and many purchases of the MacBook Pro with M2 Max, 96 GB configurations. I think many are over large form factor workstations like the Mac Pro, the use cases are still out there, but this is not 2003 and the G5 anymore.
Text says Degree F but the audio says C. I belive it is the text is incorrect!
where was blender? or gaming?
Thank you, for this video. The more, I see of the new Tower Ultra "Mac Pro" the better the older Tower Intel "Mac Pro" starts to look. I might add an older Intel version to my collection once, their used price drops to about $2,000 (smile...smile).
~$3K+ for a bigger sized product, a lot of ports and pc “freedom”
Can you please help us figure out the uses PCI-E slots with live streaming , Editing & Music Production tools !... Nice video, Thanks :)
Are you going to do the GPU comparison any time soon? Thanks!