ATP vs WTA Forehand | Tennis Forehand Technique
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ATP vs WTA style forehand.
Which one is better suited to your style of play?
In this video Simon, Alex and Jazz break down the main differences between both strokes and what impact it has on the way someone plays.
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Great vid... The biggest takeaway for me is the ATP FH has 3 distinct biomechanical traits : 1. The chest squares up to the net before the hand comes thru the forward swing , 2. The hitting shoulder is externally rotated prior to the fwd swing (most accentuated in guys like Nadal and Federer who puff out their chest to stretch their pecs and front deltoids)
3. The fwd swing involves a limp / relaxed arm that trails the torso as it rotates into the ball . This creates lag.
4. Hitting shoulder is almost always vertically lower than the non hitting shoulder and results in a downward slope of the shoulder blades on take back. This helps to generate an upward fwd swing once torso rotation is triggered, rising into the ball.
5.. Contact is initiated once the torso is squared to the net. Timing of the release of the pre-stretch pec and deltoid muscle , triggering natural release / pronation of the forearm is the magic potion . This helps add speed to the racquet head maximizing brushing action. W.o unnecessary linear muscling of the ball. Gives a banana profile to the ball trajectory thru the air and some side spin upon pitching , depending on the the contact point.
The whole arm collapses immediately on contact and the finish is natural depending on the hgt of the incoming ball.
Phew !!
This video, in many ways, can be revolutionary for those players who seek more power+spin on their forehands but have a more "traditional" foundation of their strokes; such as myself. Most of my forehands would be considered WTA with the elbow "in" against the more modern open stance + elbow out style. 1000 thumbs up to this, guys. This is truly brilliant! Keep up the great work.
Great video guys, those forehands in the end are amazing!
+Andras Toth Thanks Andras
Wow awesome forehands Simon and Alex.
Alex's fh looks like something in between and it looks just like mine!
+You En The hybrid forehand ;-)
finally . . . I feel less alone . good videos Ciao Mauro
goin to work on my forehand this summer. thanks :)
Hi guys, great video as always. I wonder if you could cover the double hand forehand with dominant hand on bottom. I think I've seen Simon hit this shot. Monica Seles had great success and Bartoli as well. Lucie Hradecka has a very powerful double hand forehand and would love to know how she generates that power. All the best!
Great video guys. What about a video on ATP Backhands vs WTA Backhands? Thanks!
+Kevin Berar Good idea, many thanks
+Kevin Berar I second this. Good suggestion
Great video
Nice video! 😊
Great Observation. I've noticed the difference but not in such detailed.
Lol. Gotta love Simon's accent. "Racquet paff"
+heavyhitter103 That's the Scottish part of me lol
wow alex & simon.. you are getting much better hitting the forehand..
+azmi sumarsono We feel like our level drops every year lol. The longer we don't compete
+Top Tennis Training - #1 in Online Tennis I think you learned a lot of thing from david nalbandian
great videos as always. not to be critical, but more to show theres some flexibility i guess.. the first 30 seconds of Alex's video training with ferrer (that was recently uploaded) shows Alex clearly hitting w/ his arm and racquet more behind him than in this video showing him more on the right side/compact
I've seen him hitting both ways as well, or at least what look like to be slightly different styles. Sometimes not using the wrist all that much and a big take back, other times more like ATP. Anyway, he can really hammer the ball!! 6:23 :o
+Top Tennis Training
Very nice informative video. I have a question though: I saw a few of your forehand videos on how to have powerful, spinny, consistent FH's, but they all seem to cover closed stance forehands. Do you have or plan to upload videos with open stance forehands? Thanks
+Matthew Tran Hi, yes we have videos that explain and teach the open stance forehand inside our forehand blueprint course. More details can be found here - www.tttcourses.com/product/forehand-course/
Hi just a suggestion guys... what about a ATP vs WTA double handed backhand video??
+You En Good idea, we'll keep that in mind
Would you consider robin soderling’s forehand WTA?
What about the pocket to pocket follow through? Is that the WTA or ATP style?
More Jazz!!!!
+Kevin Le Of course ;-)
What strings does Alex use? :)
Hi Guys...great video!
What are Simon's strings on his HEAD frame?
They sound very nice on impact...
Thanks,
Edoardo
+bedrocks75 Pro hurricane strings strung at 54
hi guys nice video! (but pls keep Jazz outfit less tight.. hard to concentrate on tennis this way..:P )
Anyow.. do you think it would be impossible for most female pro player to develop an ATP style forehand? Due maybe to the fact that you need a level of strength hard to achieve for a woman? If it was possible then most coaches now should try to engrain that style in women athletes..
I also think you should give a little credit in this discussion to Rick Macci, who 's been a pioneer in pointing out the exact same differences..
+riccardo odraccir I think for sure it's possible to have female players hit more ATP style. It happens already and we'll see more of it in the future.
I watched the video, and I believe the difference occurs because WTA racquets are lighter than ATP (I don't have any evidence to back this). I myself had a much bigger swing (WTA style like the video said) before when I used light racquet (300gr unstrung). After some researches, I found out that using heavier racquet doesn't mean being less maneuverable while needing LESS EFFORT to hit the same shot. So my stroke is naturally more compact while maintaining maneuverability, power, improving stability and my arm doesn't get fatigued. My current racquet is 350gr and I'm a small guy (1,68m).
So I think that WTA players definitely can have ATP style stroke if they try heavier racquets. I believe they could improve their game also :).
PS: One ATP player that significantly changes his strokes is Novak Djokovic. At early career, we can see that he had very wide swing in all strokes. Time by time, his strokes are more compact now. I believe that's because he weighted up the racquets :D.
That 6:23 forehand sounded like a supressed gunshot. I'm jelly.
Do you think it has any sense to try to change "WTA" style forehand to ATP style for club player? Because my forehand looks like WTA style and it's quite flat. Anyway, in the video "Tennis Drills To Develop A Powerful Forehand" Alex's forehand looks like WTA style.
+Robert Sebik Tough question. Depends on your game style and what goals you have. Alex did hit more WTA in that video, he has changed his technique over time though
I notice the boys have a straight arm at contact whereas the girl has a bent arm and is rotating a lot more. It probably has to do with shoulder strength needed to get enough velocity on the racket head.
What is the pure drive s string
Hey guys, you think the future of women's tennis on the WTA tour is to adopt the ATP technique? Seems more efficient and less can go wrong. Some women already have...Henin, Stosur, Kuzy, Garcia. Thoughts?
+Steve I think so, it seems to be popping up more often on the WTA tour. Coaching methods will surely get better and the result will be better technique
My forehand looks more like the atp forehand. It used to look like the wta forehand, but then I started to change it the better I became.
Well done Bianca. There is no reason why females can't hit "ATP" style forehands to a very high standard.
Are there any videos you'd like to see from us in the near future?
Simon
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Maybe on how to improve serve technic or mental toughness
Can/should women on wta try to hit forehand atp style? Why or why not?
Yes WTA players can hit an "ATP" style forehand for sure
I wanna know who's Atp player uses Wta like forehand
Soderling
Jeremy Chardy
Medvedev
Del Porto
@@shanmugasundaram6625 nah, his is atp style
I have list of questions:
How come always the guys that could not do teach?
How come examples used from top players are from warm up training session and we never see the end result (the ball speed, spin placement ...)?
Why every coach I met is telling one thing and when they play and actually do good shot its not what they teach?
Why everybody assumes that the best way is the way the top players believe it should be done?(Time has proven that Bjorgs way was not best, Sampras way was not , Agassi was not ....)?
Why don't you try to find best way and actually prove it yourself?
I have a lost of answers -
Some who can play actually teach also.
Examples are mainly from practice court footage since if you use match footage you get content blocked.
You've been unlucky with coaches.
Who has proven that Sampras or Agassi's way was not best?
I did!
great video. three knight ;)
+Kai Chun Choi Thanks, 2 knights and a princess though lol
Alex destroying those last few forehands haha
Haha, the last guy seem to have WTA forehand, haha!
+PRiKoL1ST1 he's somewhere in the middle, maybe he's bisexual
@@AdiBacea LOL!!!
Hahaha. He's probably a transexual, and he moans like the WTA players too
Who is the guy with the yonex frame at 1:00 ?? Huge fh!
My guess is Juan Monaco.
+You En Juan Monaco is correct, quite flat on many shots
Hi. I think you are not saying why this difference. Could women play ATP or not enough strength? Any exceptions? Lastly, for us mortals who can't even hit like WTA, should we try to adopt the women's or the ATP?
I meant could women use the ATP fh, or not enough strength?
+ciriloysiracusa Part 2 of the video will be out soon covering all these issues
Very interesting as always guys!
The question remains: why don't the ladies hit their forehand like the men?
Many thanks!
Michele
+Jazzcodes Hi Michele, some do hit "ATP" style, but majority don't. I think strength is an issue, flatter strokes and the coaching methods when developing the younger girls
Thanks for the reply ;)
Actually the WTA players use more of their arms, while the ATP players use more of their hips to generate the power, it doesn't really relate to how flat the shot is. This is a technique problem
I believe it is the other way round
I like this vid guys and my daughter is 14 and somewhere between the 2 different forehands. We need to make a decision on which way she is going to go and I'm not sure to go with the safe bet wta (flat/power)forehand or go with the atp style?? I was going to go towards the wta style but seen the girl Daria kasatkina and how well she can deal with oncoming power, take the ball on the rise and create great angles as well as create great power for a young girl. Any thoughts guys?
Bear in mind there are reasons why the ladies hit the ball differently - women generally have less muscle mass, smaller shoulders etc, and therefore will generate power in different ways to the men!
The shorter more explosive action might not be the most appropriate for a 14/15 year old to generate pace - might not get the best out of their physique / could lead to injury if hip strength isn't good enough, for example.
WTA vs ATP forehands are different not necessarily better!
Check out the last point (#3) on this blog post (from top LTA Master Performance Coach) for a much more authoritative opinion on the matter www.wimx.org.uk/uncategorized/time-to-get-forehand-coaching-right/
Not trying to put the guys down, but I think it's important to remember one way isn't necessarily worse than the other!
..also.. don't you think that Djokovic and Alex forehands are just slightly more "WTAish" then the classic modern ATP forehand?
+riccardo odraccir not at all. Besides Djokovic and Alex have really different forehands.
+riccardo odraccir No, Djokovic FH has more flexing action. Alex racket head trajectory is more round, while Djokovic's has more significant drop b4 flinging forward. In other words, one is more like C the other like nike logo. Although they are DB FH.
Which is best for 9yr girl wta or atp
I prefer the ATP forehand if done correctly and she's strong enough to keep the shorter swing
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial Thank you for your valueable comment
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial one more question Eastern or moderate eastern forehand use girls or woman any disadvantage his grip
If they can produce topspin and deal with high balls then no problem
@@TopTennisTrainingOfficial how to handle highball in eatern grip player any video is there
What tennis racquet does jazz use?
Babolat Aero pro Drive
should be "pure aero"
+Matthew Tran sorry i meant alex
+Wch How pure drive
+pablo barrera no the other guy onfhe left. Geez im bad with mes
Why is she dropping her left arm so soon?
Del Potro has a WTA style forehand! Simple, powerful, efficient!
Del Potro doesn't have a WTA style forehand, yes his swing is very big compared to many other ATP players but his racket stays on the right side of his body, doesn't go behind his back. That is the common trait on the WTA forehand, it breaks the line and goes behind the back as the girls tend to be more flexible and use the extra space to generate power. Del Potro also uses a very different racket angle during contact compared to other players, hence why he can smash the ball extra flat.
Thanks for watching
Simon
Yes, he's keeping the racquet to his side. My point is regarding where the racquet is facing during the racquet drop. All ATP players, as far as i saw, racquet facing downward during the drop right before the foreward swing. While Del Portro doesn't let it face downward, just like the WTA players. What do u think?
I see what you mean with the racket face, he keeps it facing to the side of the court, never down. Federer also does that on certain forehands, he tends to close it more when he wants to increase the topspin. There are other ATP players who use that same method though so Del Potro is not the only one.
Thanks for tuning in
The reason why women have the swings they have is because it maximizes the power they have. If they tried to do the men's forehand, they would hit with less power, unless they bulk up like Stosur and Henin. Not to suggest anything more than what im stating, I think Stosur and Henin are more the exception than the rule in WTA. And using them as an example is not really a good one to make. Other than Stosur's US Open win she's struggled to be consistently in the top. While you can't attribute that to her technique specifically, it also doesn't give the pro-atp forehand argument a good example of it being applied in the women's tennis.
I disagree. Women do the WTA forehand because that is what they watch. There is a wrist lag with the ATP forehand that adds tremendous racquet speed and it requires timing not strength. The wrist is relaxed as the racquet goes back, then as the player rotates his hips and the hand forward the racquet face continues going back and then it rebounds, and whips forward into impact. This is a very difficult swing to learn because the relaxed wrist is a very very difficult skill. But it is not new. That is how you throw a baseball, football, and how you whip someone with a towel in the locker room.
bobice555 The reason this ATP technique is not widespread is because it is so hard to learn, especially if you do it like the ATP pros. They have a high drop and still get a lag. Timing must be exceptional to get the whip/lag with a high drop. If the racquet stops moving you do not get much of a lag. You can bring the racquet back mid level and you get the lag and much easier to time because maybe your arm has not gone all the way back and it is time to hit the ball - you can. A person on youtube, Chrstophe Delavaut put together some excellent videos on the technique but ATP media had them removed for copyright infringement. If girl says I want to hit with Serena's technique because she is the best all time, just make sure she runs like Serena, is built like Serena and serves and returns like Serena. A better question may be why do the men on the ATP not whip/lag their backhands?
+imateapot51 it's not only timing. The very technique you described which you claim are inherent in other activities such as whipping a towel, baseball throw, football throw requires the quick muscle contractions that come more naturally for men. THAT IS WHY THESE ACTIVITIES THAT YOU MENTION ARE MOSTLY DONE BY MEN. Do you see girls and women flick their towels or handkerchiefs, throw baseballs, throw footballs in the same frequency as do boys and men? No. Precisely because these activities require a certain physiological trait that comes more natural to men than to women - and that is quick short muscle fiber contractions that initiate the whipping movement you describe.
***** You are kidding right? Girls can not throw a baseball? They throw softballs just fine. I have never been in a girls locker room so I do not know if they can whip towels. But why no go on youtube and enter bullwhip and see if any girls can whip a bull whip. It takes a relaxed wrist and that is all. Any girl can do this. After that the racquet and Isaac Newton laws take over. Serena dominates because her technique is good enough because of her body. Same with a lot of other top women players. In the ATP 10000 have professional bodies and can run fast so technique is paramount. And the WTA is a joke. When you watch the NBA finals does it cut away to the Women's league? Same with every other sport. By the way, I demonstrate this technique to students holding a 30 inch wood dowel with two fingers and firm wrist to show the wrist is not doing it. Then they get a physics lesson. It is not on the WTA because the WTA is BS. Justin did pretty well for a tiny girl. In closing, the relaxed wrist is so that your wrist (forearm muscles) does not prevent the racquet face to continue going back as the hand and throat are going forward, because that would prevent the whip.
+imateapot51 WTA is a joke? What a misogynistic, chauvinistic statement. Justine Henin did well for herself because she lifted weights and got in the best physical shape she could be. Any other time when she was out of shape or even the least bit injured, she could not dominate and had to quit the game early on. If it was all about timing, then she wouldn't need to be as fit and strong as she got herself into. You need extraordinary strength to hit with her strokes and win. You think the women would want to go through the same strength Training as Justine's or Samantha stosur? Like I said, both had ATP strokes but to beat the other girls with that stroke they had to get stronger. So no, it's not just about timing. You need strength, either innate or gained from training, to adopt the ATP strokes. Stop trying to promote whatever training or coaching regimen that you claim will teach anyone the ATP stroke, at the expense of the WTA. It shows your chauvinistic attitude.
better faster with more serious topspin
work it make it do it makes us harder faster stronger
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Sure, tell me how much you'd be willing to bet on the match?
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Yeah my racquet goes behind me, I over coil and spread my arms apart too far. I think I can beat Alex in a clay court doubles match once I fix my take back.
wow she's gorgeous
shall a girl learn atp forehand?
YES! why not? it's just the swing path, the thing they need to learn is the 'snap' where you decelerate the core for the racquet to snap through your hitting motion.
Hello, then a woman can hit like a man or not recommended
can a man hit like a woman?
Simon should date her
His religion wont allow that.
Tanglee squid how please explain it?
the women's forehand and backhand techniques have nothing to do with their serves though. Men just hit harder serves because their bodies are physically stronger
+DM K No, it is not physical strength, it is the technique of using the body core in coiling and uncoiling. The women's game, with three or four prominent exceptions, is quite poor at that.
oh ok.
Whos the gorgeous babe at 1:23? Need it for educational purposes.
If the women are hitting flat it seems as though the semi western or full western grip would be irrelevant to use. Your female companion looks really awkward with that grip. Maybe an eastern wouldn't twist her all up, I mean she's hitting flat anyway what could it hurt
This is BULLSHIT. U really shouldn't generalize like that. Gabriella Sabatini, Svetlana Kuznetsova, Ons Jabeur and Maria Sakaari all have forehands these instructors would consider more ATP style or extreme Western grip. And conversely, Thomas Byrdich and John Isner have very flat forehands with a more linear path, taking the racquet behind them