All I'm thinking is maybe the developer listened too much to this review, and assumed we wanted the old main characters to get their a$$ handed to them.....
@@mattevans4377 yes, I feel that way too, since his criticism is that ND tends to dehumanize anyone that isn't the main character they tried in TLOU2 to give different perspectives and make both sides grey.
I just beat the game a minute ago for the first time and I chose hard. Items and ammo are so scarce that I never had more than 15 shots cumulatively among my 6 firearms.. It makes the tension so unbelievably thick that you can't even compare it to the easier difficulties.
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They could have made the ending an ending tron 3000 instead of having one ending. The second ending could have been that Joel has grown as a person and that Ellie is more than just a daughter surrogate and that she has a bigger role in the world kinda like the princess in Ico.
I have no fucking idea what you're talking about. The first Last of Us rarely ever makes you feel terrible for your actions except for in the last act, which varies differently from the way its told in Spec Ops. I know this comment was from 5 years ago, but please tell me what in the fuck you are talking about?
I love Yahtzee's reviews. Even when I disagree he is so much more mature and truthful about his critical views that he seeds out any immature goons in the comments. Everyone in the comments has a similar mature outlook on games as him and he seems to be the only reviewer to actually say what he thinks.
Man, he is probably the only reviewer who I observed that very rarely gets flack whenever he has a different opinion. Like I know Anthony Fantano gives pretty hot takes, but the fans are more accepting when Zero does them.
@@mackielunkey2205 It's because Fantano's takes are often poorly thought out (see the Smile album review where he confuses intentional polyrhythms with "bad"/sloppy playing, Arcade Fire's Reflektor review where despite liking more than half the runtime of the record he gave it a 4/10 or the infamous MBDTF review where "gamechanging production" gets brought down four numbers because he "doesn't care about Kanye's personal life"), and he's not nearly as funny or eloquent as Yahtzee. He's also more condescending to people that like something. That also reminds me, Yahtzee doesn't give things scores which helps a lot too.
I just saw that the second season won't air til 2025. It'll be nice to have a reprieve from all the hubbub for a couple years. Saying the franchise is bad is downright disingenuous, but people treat this story like it's the Second Coming.
naughty dog might have fixed the "no consequences for their actions" bit, but they drove the oscar bait and pretentious bullshit dials up past 10 right up to 255. eg. the dog the game forces you to kill and then it's revealed in flashback the dog was the pet of another character to make you feel bad for killing the dog the game forced you to kill and also they abused the shit out of their employees
@Usul573 “Killing’s as easy as breathing” is a line John Rambo used in the 4th Rambo movie, as for him it was what he could do best. I do like those movies, though they do get silly from the second film onward; the 5th on Last Blood is the least enjoyable to sit through admittedly
Leon gotget Apparently the majority of the audience can take some criticism without reaching for torch and pitchfork, so most of the comments support the review (or at least his right to present his opinion). But there definitely are some militant fanboys up in arms around, and some did get enough upvotes to show up on the front page, like some nutter who thinks quoting positive reviews somehow invalidates any negative opinion about the game. Yahtzee tends to ruffle the feathers of people who love games he reviews except for the 5 or so positive reviews he's done, but the 1500 dislikes on this video is probably among the highest. Usually he only pisses off so many fanboys when he goes after Nintendo or Final Fantasy. lol
@@solaireofastora9178 played it, plot was unoriginal, so was the first's premise but at least it had some nuances to it, had a great delivery, was well paced and introduced likeable characters and and told a very human story, the second is not well paced, game was too long, gameplay was dated even back in 2013 so now it's insultingly dated, they break character conventions to make events happen which is contrived as fuck, the delivery of the plot feels amateurish and the ending didn't feel conclusive or cathartic at all
@@rexnihilum7822 I read a review where someone was saying it was supposed to bring about an "Ego" death to enforce humanization and forgiveness. Ignoring, of course, that even in lieu of those things it doesn't mean the character didn't need to just be ended. Abby should have died and then Ellie should have offered herself or let the kid do it. Bam, hollow and pointless as the rest of the game, but at least cathartic. I know it was supposed to be about Ellie coming to "terms with not forgiving Joel before he was killed" but few players are going to agree to that journey, and trying to get us too isn't some literary work of art. Its just pretentious. The logical dissonance was always going to make us reject the message. (Ignoring that the message is stupid from the onset. Abby's dad would be breathing if he hadn't decided he could take a man who just marched through a small army, to prevent child murder, using a scalpel. Sure she's mad but after so many years she should really have learned to be accept her dad's part in all that.) Also, as much as I disliked Joel's death it wasn't really shocking, just contrived. It just drudged back memories of the Walking Dead tv show's Negan, another completely killable character that's kept alive via plot armor and contrivance, but at least they didn't try and squeeze out sympathy for him.
Doesn't change the fact that the ending is shit considering that the main villain tried to kill the child that Ellie decided she wanted to raise despite being illegitimate and she decided to spare the bastard and live with eight fingers in a farm.
When Caesars Legion from Fallout: New Vegas seems more functional than your "realistic" society, rewrite your damn game. The first year of a social collapse *might* be dominated by childish assholes, but then the organized, capable groups would kill them all and take over. The sudden need for every person capable of labor (in the economic sense) means the new societies would actaully be *more* egalitarian and considerate than our current society. Even for a total stranger with no skills, you'd still be able to join pretty much any society by fighting Clickers for them for a few years.
100% this. Throughout history we've seen that no matter how societies breakdown the natural human the tendency is to lean towards re-establishing peace and order. Even somewhere like Somalia with no government and rampant violence and corruption, or Syria during the war, or the Balkans, or any number of examples before modern history, people establish some sense of normalcy amidst the horror and the violence. TLoU's premise that everyone remains a violent selfish fearful thug is completely implausible. Especially in a world where nature is reclaiming the cities and agriculture seems eminently possible. Even the decidedly more apocalyptic, less intended as believable Mad Max Fury Road still had some semblance of order, society, culture, and disparate pockets of order. It's even more implausible in the TLoU2 when you consider that the player characters (and Joel) have certainly a far higher kill count than the vast majority of bandits you encounter (if not the highest of all game characters), and yet *even* these mass murderers experience moments regret, second thoughts, doubt in their actions. Run of the mill bandit goons just trying to survive to the next day will surely also consider giving peace a go, if it occurs to killing machines Joel and Ellie. The game is so insistent on superficially humanising its enemy fodder without giving them any actual humanity.
@@sEaNoYeAh This is where I find the game's narrative falls flat. I could forgive the mass numbers of killers if the game wasn't trying to be realistic. Something like Fist of the North Star that has roving bands of killers is just meant to be a fun escapist power fantasy. Or Fallout, where the entertainment is finding the various colorful characters and the exotic places. TLOU tries to be realistic, but it does so with zero understanding of human behavior.
I heard this review mentioned on other of his reviews and heard other people complaining about him and how he "hates everything"... then I watched this review. I'm sorry, but what? Where is all the butthurt from? He pretty much just shrugged at the game, he didn't rip it apart, he didn't call it shit, he just didn't like it much. I'm pretty much the same, it was a massively 'ok'' game that I already forgot 99% of. So I'm guessing "The Last of Us" is one of those games that now has a really pathetically outraged fanbase that will rage if you call what they like 'ok' and don't suck it off constantly. Well, good work guys, you're on the same level as bronies, furries and Dark Souls fans. You must be so proud.
Battler Ushiromiya It's been established by the internet that this game is personification of god almighty. You can not oppose the consensus by saying the game is kinda cool but not amazing, oh no, the decision for the hive has been already made. I could've expressed this in less weirder way but i chose not to :)
***** Well i'd also say everyone says it's good. Cause it is imho. And some people may think it's amazing. And that's their opinion and as such is perfectly valid. The thing is that on the internet those people tend to get together on places like redit and the whole thing sort of snowballs into circlejerking overhype. It's happening with many many games. Also in the negative sence like with DMC. For some reason games lately are either amazing or pile of shit. No place for shades of grey (if there's not 50 of them) in the black and white reality of online gaming "community" these days.
***** That's mostly because non-extreme opinion usually doesn't recieve enough upvotes/+1/5stars whatever to be noticed. So the whole spectrum of opinions(if the participatns are actually able to express them which is often not the case in something like youtube comments) is kinda hidden behind most popular and least popular. It's very similar to ways how mobs/crowds of people behave. There were many studies on crowd behavior and they are very interesting read.
Okay, I only know a few fans of Dark Souls, and all they've done is tell me about really funny characters in the game, so, are the bulk of them really dicks?
I was about to comment on "DARK SOULS FANS ARE NOT BUTTHURT!" but then i looked onto the mirror and realized that i had just become butthurt. And dark souls fan. I feel ashamed of myself. Congrats for making me realize my own pettiness. D;
This review is exactly why I like Yahtzee. He looks at games without buying into the hype first and give honest reviews. Just because it's a Naughty Dog game doesn't mean it deserves any special treatment. The same thing happened with GTA V, it was a good game, nothing more, nothing less. The Last of Us is just a good survival horror game. Nothing more, nothing less. On another note: FUCK CLICKERS
If you played the game with P11 earforce headphones,you'd have a REAL reason to hate clickers. Those things made fighting clickers physically exhausting.
@@Wesker10000 Yeah, that's the same with other comedic game reviewers, *cough* Dunkey *cough*, where they value the funny content over a fair review. Their videos are for entertainment purposes first and foremost. Angry Joe, Skill Up and ACG are the ones that are much less biased and focusing more on game reviews than cracking jokes.
@@arnoldSwollenmember I mean, the combat style hasn't changed too dramatically since it started. If you didn't like it the first time you played then you probably still wouldn't like it after a trilogy, 3 similar games by the same developer, and countless other imitators. Not saying I agree with them, just that it wouldn't be too difficult to argue.
I never understood why clickers were so much stronger than normal zombies. Because their faces are fucked up? I still didn't see why I couldn't just push them off of me as per usual. Also, how is it that everyone isn't infected? Won't the spores cling to their clothes and infect them the second they take their masks off? I agree with Yahtzee that the ending is a little... unsatisfying. I'm not sure I'd agree that Ellie did anything super horrible over all the murder, but Joel certainly did, and watching him just get away with it was... strange. It almost felt like the game needed one final act to tie up all the loose ends, but it just didn't happen. There are some really frustrating sections of the game. The one in particular that made me want to throttle the developers was the goddamn sniper segment. That motherfucker will cap you if so much as your toe is visible from the other side of the level. It doesn't matter if you're 200 yards away holding one of his allies captive, he'll make the shot without even taking a second to line it up. Creeping through a house? Better hope he doesn't randomly get the tiniest view of you through two windows and a door frame or there goes half your health! I liked what it did early on by giving you limited resources, but by about the halfway point, Stealth wasn't super necessary because I had plenty of ammo and supplies for molotovs and nail bombs (Yahtzee is right, the smoke bombs are worthless). Stealth only really mattered against armored enemies. Even against a horde of clickers, a few molotovs and a spray of the flamethrower was usually enough, which made the game much less tense. I also have to agree that some of these bandit groups seem unrealistically huge. Whole cities of these bastards seem to be everywhere, in which case you'd think it's because they're good at recruitment, but considering they seem to cap everyone on sight, I don't see how that's possible. It's the same issue I had with the bad guy group in Tomb Raider in that I don't see how with all this shit going on that they maintain such an enormous group.
+PonyLogic if the inhibition the brain put on muscles is lost then the muscle activity will be stronger but also mean the muscles will be easily torn off or have dislocations and bleeding until they die .plus fungi take nutrition from the body so the body must be weaker if they have fully grown spores in their bodies.
+imaloony8 I strongly agree that Ellie wasn't dehumanized or anything. I sympathized with her very much throughout the whole game. Sometimes I wonder if Yahtzee reviews his own reviews before giving them out in a TH-cam video. His review of Dishonored I found to be his most unfair review of a game I've played so far. But he does kind of have to play a game and upload a review of it every week, so it doesn't seem like there's a lot of time for him to review his reviews.
Lambert Lim Well, the point of Zero Punctuation is to pick on and amplify the negative aspects of a game. As Yahtzee put it "You don't call a sewage technician to redecorate your bathroom and you don't come to me to hear about how a game is good."
@@HoppingSkipperoh god, it ended up being one of the most awarded games of all time oh nooooo Game was great, and most of people’s critique boils down to “trans people bad”, “gay people bad”, “girl with muscles bad”, or “why did Joel have to die 😢 😢 😭 “
I get that Spec Ops: The Line and The Last of Us are similar in the sense that they're more or less cover shooters with grim storylines, but I'd say Spec Ops is an infinitely better game solely for the fact that the story isn't written as though the writers were unaware that the protagonist is a murderous psychopath. It's literally a deconstruction of shooter games -- in reality, the protagonist of a shooter would be an absolute monster. Spec Ops fucking nails it in that regard. Then there's the Last of Us, who COULD HAVE WENT THAT ROUTE. Really! They could have gone the Heart of Darkness route and have Joel descend a downward spiral of sociopathic darwinism, survivalism, and death. Either that, or *It's been more than a year, but just in case there's anyone left who gives a shit, spoiler alert.* Joel actually, you know, DEVELOPS as a fucking character and learns to finally cope with his loss -- and let Ellie go. That would have been a heartbreaking ending that at least made the character a little sympathetic. Instead, though, the game has him turn a fucking hospital into a charnel house and then has the gall to act like he's some kind of hero. Joel is a selfish, and evil fuck.
NoiseMarines But Joel did develop as a character. He went from someone who was effectively emotionally dead to almost how he was before the apocalypse, all because he had finally found one thing that he cared about. You say Joel needed to learn how to cope with his loss, well Ellie was how he was coping with it. He's a man who has already lost everything once, and he sure as hell wasn't going to let it happen again. You see a monster slaughtering people and fucking over the world for selfish reasons, I see a father protecting his daughter. Was it the best decision for the world? No. Was it the best decision for Joel? Yes, because any other option would have left him so broken that he probably would have destroyed everything anyways
PikachuLittle "I see a father protecting his daughter." Ellie is not, nor has she ever been, his daughter. She's a girl that Joel up and decided to be a creepy surrogate dad to. Ellie did not agree to be his new daughter, and that doesn't matter because it was never up to Ellie. It was never about Ellie, it was about fucking Joel and his refrigerated daughter. "Was it the best option for the world? No. Was it the best decision for Joel? Yes." I agree! And that's why he's an evil piece of shit! He stabbed one of the last brain surgeons (if not *the* last brain surgeon) in the throat because he could never get over the death of his daughter. Nevermind that they were on the cusp of a cure -- he had literally no reason to kill that man! Same with the leader of the Fireflies, she is bleeding and helpless on the ground, and he murdered her. "You'll just come after her" Fuck you, you goddamn maniac.
NoiseMarines Oi, Ellie said herself, "Everyone I cared about has died. Everyone.. Fucking except for you! So don't leave me to another person because the truth is I would just be more scared." When she's going to go with Tommy, instead of Joel.
+NoiseMarines Of course he is. But who says every protagonist has to be a good guy? This isn't a story about how the good guy saved the day, its about how a man saved himself, no matter what the cost. Yes, his actions were terrible, and in the eyes of anyone else he would be considered a selfish, evil douche canoe. To basically everyone but himself, Ellie and his brother, Joel was the bad guy. And you know what? I liked that, it was a nice change of pace. Who cares if he was the bad guy? The point of the story was to follow his journey, and in his eyes he was doing what he needed to, even if that wasn't the best decision for the world.
+NoiseMarines I think the reason you disliked it is the very reason a lot of people liked it. We've gotten sick and tired of people growing selfless in video games, books, movies, and tv, and finally up and deciding to do the right thing and save the world or whatever. It's overworked to the point of cliche. This wasn't that. At all. It was a jaded man deciding to do what he thought was best. Why save a humanity that has dedicated itself to eating itself alive? Who would want to save that disgusting species over this innocent girl who is even willing to sacrifice herself without fully knowing what she'd be dying to save? Joel's had it with humanity and its disgusting excuse for "self-preservation" and, ironically enough, engages in the exact same thing to keep his heart and mind in one piece and to keep Ellie alive. End of the day, we've all got opinions, brah. I loved it, and I'm sorry you didn't.
Finally someone else who understands why this game isn't a masterpiece. It is very unoriginal in its safe choices by doing something that everyone else has already done sufficiently. I love how he talks about the fact that the story and gameplay don't mix, something that stopped me from getting invested throughout the game.
I can’t keep playing, it’s so generic and boring, but everyone’s saying it’s so great It has Uncharted like gameplay: hide and shot, yet Uncharted was so much fun and this is NOT 😤😭😭
I like how this game gets so many 10/10s and 9/10s without justification beyond "OMG teh feelz!" Here's the thing: TLoU isn't a bad game by any means. It's got excellent graphics and a decent story, but I can't understand why so many people think it's the "greatest game of the generation", or even the "greatest of all time." The story might be impressive and emotional to some people, but the actual game part of it is rather average. The are so many immersion-breaking factors in the game. Why do blind clickers seemingly have the ability to see me when I'm standing absolutely still and not moving at all? Why do clickers and other enemies literally ignore all my invincible, infinitely ammo'd friends (a problem in and of itself) in a fight and all go after Joel? Why can Sam yell "OMG A ZOMBIE!" and the runners don't come, but I step once towards them from 15 feet away and they all go apeshit? What's with the whole snowstorm section? They clearly say "I can barely see anything!" but have no qualms about shooting you from 20-30 feet away, even though you could easily be one of their buddies for all they knew. Why the hell are there so many bandits in literally every place you go? While I understand why all those things are in place, a lot of these are nitpicks, but do take away from immersion. That's a big no-no for a story driven game, which is why it's a valid criticism. But here's the main point - the gameplay is average. The TPS factor of it isn't all that impressive, the stealth and AI are flawed in many aspects, and there are too many pallet/ladder puzzles to be acceptable. The emotional impact does not matter if the game isn't fun to actually play. Otherwise, why shouldn't it just be a movie?
The bandits are easily understandable given the conditions outside the safe zones. The ending is certainly what undermines Joel's character development as he must learn the meaning of self-sacrifice in order to create a better world for everyone by sacrificing the thing he wants the most: a daughter.
I think it works so much better as a movie thanks to the story and the excellent voice acting. I played the game and got bored of the walking sections, stealth sections, ladder puzzles, annoying controls and the fact that knives are one use items... fucking pull that thing out of the cauliflower, you dolt! Anyway, I watched a walkthrough of it and I was hooked. It was so much more entertaining when I wasn't being held back by the below average gameplay and could just enjoy the best aspect of this game without being bored or munched on by cabbage or whatever those things were constantly.
This is way old but I gotta reply anyway... The whole “it could just be a movie” argument is kinda shit. The story is meh, but how it’s told is brilliant. Not only is the game about the relationship between Joel and Ellie, it’s between you and Ellie as you work with, talk with and fight with her building your relationship. Personally I think the gameplay is super fun and I’m addicted to the loop. Yea the puzzles are shit but I’m not much of a puzzle guy so don’t really care. You also said you understand why those immersion braking things are there, but the main point is it’s a video game. This sorta stuff happens in literally every game with npcs. Name one where it doesn’t... obviously the intent is to stop the gameplay from being frustrating by having an npc ruin everything and draw attention from zombies and people. Also the clickers can’t see you when you stand still, that’s like the first tactic for dealing with em..?
Al McKinney Just git gud smh. That solves a lot of the problems you have. And any game will seem like shit if you nitpick. Identifying and putting together all negative aspects of anything can really affect judgement.
Wait, -Girl escort that can't die -Main character who is a horrible person -Unoriginal shooty gameplay -Anticlimactic ending -Ubiquitously praised by people with their head in the incorrect position in relation to their ass It's Bioshock Infinite with zombies in it!
I will never understand people who have ALREADY bought and PLAYED a game and then go shout angrily at any reviewer or critic who disagrees with them. How insecure must you be to not be able to enjoy anything without everyone agreeing with you about it?!
+Great Story and pacing (-Unsatisfactory ending, at least for me) +Great Graphics +Awesome presentation (mocap, music and voice overs are top notch) -No innovation in gameplay whatsoever -No real "survival" element, bullets are plenty and you're not striving for resources -Lack of choice (YES, I am counting that as a flaw, because if you base your game around its story, might as well go the Telltale way about it and offer the player some actually interactive storytelling, not a friggin' cover based third person shooter, this is exactly what I don't like about Spec Ops The Line, and YES I am comparing this game to that one) -Full of zombie related clichés (oh MAN is the real enemy, oh it just happens that THIS girl that you happened to run into by chance is the key to a cure, and because your daughter died it reminds you of her, not being an insensitive bastard but its been done a billion times before TLOU) I wish more stuff to list would come to my mind, but I'm just saying this isn't the "greatest game of all time" as some people are calling it simply is an over-glorified GREAT game.
Just because you don't get to choose dialogue options in Spec Ops doesn't mean it doesn't thrive on interaction, because it does. The Whole game is an experiment between player and player character, the choices are interesting, the game makes it very apparent that the player is being considered. The Last of Us could have had all of it's gameplay cut out, and would have been no different, that's the difference.
tommapar88 You are SUPPOSED to feel like you don't have a choice in Spec Ops, that's the point. Remember the scene before the white phosphorous incident? Adams: We might not have a choice Walker. Lugo: There's ALWAYS a choice. Walker: No.... there's really not. The game is trying to both criticize other games in its genre for not providing clear context and choices, and criticize the player for putting up with that trend. The game, through dialogue and loading screens, INSISTS that the one and only choice that the player truly has is the decision to continue playing. The main writer even confirmed in an interview that putting down the controller and stopping is considered a canon ending. You, as the player, make the decision to move forward, despite clear and obvious evidence that things will only get worse.
***** I wasn't complaining about Spec Ops lack of choice in the story, I was complaining about it being a great story stuck in a generic third person shooter, with lack of choice of the gameplay kind, not in the story. And that's why I compared it to TLOU, because its a great story, with relatable characters and awesome presentation, but let's face it, gameplay wise it offers no innovation at all, and only two ways to do things: guns blazing or stealthily. And for the most parts they don't give you that choice (or it is an action sequence or a stealth one, much like in Spec Ops, but a little less forced)
And he nicely sums up why the game's story isn't as good as people say. When the setting implies that humans who don't want to murder everyone else for fun are the exception rather than the rule, the story is doing something wrong. I also don't get why the Fireflies had to be given all those extra villainous moments. The audience is supposed to see Joel choosing Ellie over the rest of humanity as a bad thing but the Fireflies aren't given any real humanizing moments.
The audience is supposed to see Joel choosing Ellie over the rest of humanity as a bad thing -You sure? I'd say it took the entire game to get us in the shoes of Joel. What villainous moments? What exactly did the setting imply btw I don't remember anyone ever murdering people for fun.
@@usul573 Yes. Joel is deciding Ellie's life is more important that spreading immunity to the zombie spores to the rest of humanity. That is the intent behind the climax of the game. As for the Fireflies, they knock out Joel when he's resuscitating a nearly drowned Ellie. They move straight to dissecting Ellie after a few tests, which is a really dumb move since it would ruin the chance for further testing. What they were doing would destroy a cure rather than spread it. Rather than thank Joel they antagonize him for no reason, giving him no pay and throwing him out with no weapons to die, and most of them wanted to kill him. Ethan in particular is written as a jerk for no particularly good reason. That is without the details about how their attacks on army bases lead to them getting overrun by bandits and zombies. The Fireflies are supposed to be sympathetic villains but they are given moments of hostility that kill any sympathy for them because they just come off as a bunch of idiots who destroy everything they touch. As Yahtzee nicely put it, Naughty Dog isn't good at writing humanized villains. The sheer number of human enemies you run into implies that they want to kill you for fun. Almost everyone where you go you run into more marauders who want to kill Joel and Ellie for no particularly good reason. This is something that doesn't gel with the game's attempt to create a realistic zombie apocalypse where it goes to such pains to so living in a post apocalyptic world wouldn't be fun or glamorous. Except it also does what the post apocalyptic settings that don't try to ground themselves do, like Fallout and Fist of the North Star, and have the post apocalyptic world populated by humans will kill people one sight for reason other than because they feel like it. I really don't see what the big deal with cannibals is when almost everyone you run into the game tries to kill you for no good reason.
@@dragonstormx I never saw it that way. Joel is not deciding Ellie's life is more important, more to Joel, the whole rest of the world can go to hell as long as he has his baby girl, which is also how TLOU1 starts. He's doing it for himself, not so much because he's decided her life is more important or anything. They knock out Joel because he is potentially dangerous and they don't know him and they view him as a threat. I never saw that the game implies they are trying to kill you for fun, it's to take everything you have so they can survive, including potentially eating you. You say the audience is supposed to see it as a bad thing, but no, the game makes no ultimate judgments, and some people supported Joel 100%, and many questioned how much the vaccine would help.
@@usul573 Situations where the audience is supposed to not make judgements are intended to come off as morally grey but the case with Joel and the Fireflies leaving nobody worth sympathizing with. Joel decided the rest of the world can go to hell, so why should I give a damn about him? I didn't care when I heard he died in the sequel because felt he deserved it (I still saw killing a lead character like that as a dumb idea but I didn't care about Joel). I have seen people who don't side with him that instance. And I have I heard about people who think that given the game painting such a bleak picture of humanity that they think the rest of humanity deserves to die in which case the game is doing something wrong. The Fireflies don't bother trying to use reason, they resort to violence. That's all they do, they resort to violence at anyone they disagree with. These are the people who claim they would burn the world down and allow democracy to rise form the ashes. The game doesn't bother trying to explain how they are even going to distribute the immunity, because they are a bunch of idiots who can't. They game is trying to be clever by setting up a morally gray situation after you mow down so many human enemies, but know you face a bunch of villains trying to save the world. Except the Fireflies can't save the world, and the game does a terrible job humanizing them since they resolve everything with violence, on top which they are downright cruel. Joel is a selfish piece of trash and the Fireflies are complete idiots who are too dumb to think about the consequences of their actions. There is nobody worth rooting for in that conflict. People desperate to survive do not throw themselves at something that is mowing them down left and right, they run and hide to avoid being killed. As Yathzee pointed out the human enemies had no sense of self preservation. Likewise humans who are desperate to survive do not attack people on sight like we see in the game. This game doesn't understand human behavior and think a collapse of society turns everyone into a murderer. Crises don't cause humans to start killing each other en mass, resorting to violence like that goes against our basic survival instincts. In order to live, humans in a crisis focus more on banding together rather than killing things on sight. The idiots who act that way would die really fast and the people who survive would be the ones who focus on banding together and getting every able bodied person they can find. Despite its attempts, this post apocalyptic world isn't realistic. In any case the game doesn't bother humanizing the generic human enemies who attack you anyways. They are just disposable cannon fodder who exist to serve as enemies.
I wish we could get a 28 Days Later style game. No zombies. Just extremely fast infected people. Taking place between 28 Days and 28 Weeks later in destroyed London.
To all people saying "The Last of Us is overrated".....that's fine if you feel that way, but I disagree. (I know you were expecting some insult, but I actually realize that everyone has opinions.) And to anyone saying The Last of Us is "the greatest game of all time" or "a revolutionary, incomparable game that is better than anything else", the same goes to you, but I again disagree. I absolutely loved the game. The greatest experience I personally have ever had while playing a video game. The immersion, the realism, the characterization, the storytelling, the presentation, all phenomenal. The gameplay is very good too IMO (even though some disagree), but I felt that it was tense, cinematic, and fit the story very well. Anything too over-the-top like something from Dead Rising wouldn't fit this game. Instead, the stealth, tactical strategic play, and the mature themes were very fitting to me. It also helps that the story was so good and the characters so realistic and likable, so the gameplay felt more purposeful. There wasn't anything innovative or groundbreaking with the gameplay, which is admittedly slightly disappointing, but it was enjoyable nonetheless. I also thought multiplayer was surprisingly good, especially since I thought it would be another cheap, tacked on multi. But it was actually quite fun, reminded me a lot of Gears of War, just not as good. I give this game a 10/10. This game isn't perfect, of course. A 10/10 doesn't mean that, it means the game provided a good enough experience to that you feel that it is worthy of that status. There are some AI bugs I heard (personally didn't experience any), and the gameplay and the multi could have been better, but that wasn't but enough in any measure take away from the overall experience and immersion for me. And many feel the same way, and that's a testament to how powerful and effective the game's story and characters are. If you say that it's overrated compared to the many who say "it's the GOAT", then I get you. It's not the greatest, obviously. But is it the best of the year? Yes. One of the best of the generation? Yes. One of the greatest ever? Depends if you're talking Top 100 or Top 10. It's nowhere near top 10, but it's in my top 100, arguably top 50. You can say "Oh look at all these fanboys who say this game is perfect. What a bunch of idiots". But did you perhaps consider that it's THEIR opinion, and the experience was perfect to THEM. It may not have been for you, but it was for them. At the end of the day, like it or not, The Last of Us is still the most award winning game in history and one of the most universally acclaimed games of all time. Now whether that means anything to you or not is subjective, but hey, nowadays most things are opinions anyways. Cheers.
Barack Osama It has the same problems as LA Noire, where the game play is not in sync with the story at all times. Now I loved LA Noire and thought TLOU was okay, but to each their own.
I'm glad Yathzee saw Joel and Ellie for who they really were even before the sequel started drumming about Joel being a bad person. YES, HE IS, but that was self-evident to anyone with basic human morality, the game DIDN'T NEED TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT
I did actually really like this game. I found the gameplay enjoyable and challenging enough on harder difficulty settings, in addition to the characters feeling incredibly human and relatable on multiple levels, even ones you only know for a short time. Joel is a well fleshed out protagonist, but ultimately makes bad choices, but very human ones you can understand without forgiving or condemning. Ellie feels like an actual kid, and the animations feel very natural and lifelike, which I really enjoy. There's good humor, good life, genuine sadness and darkness when necessary, and the ending is rather fitting as well, really brings home what kind of person Joel truly is; A Dad, who doesn't care about the world, he cares about his daughter, and that's excellent conveyance of character, especially in an industry who doesn't do half as much work. This review is older now, but I find the game still holds up. There is an element of fun to playing the game, and the dialogue is just nice to listen to. It's rare a game has genuinely thoughtful characters on a console release, especially on a game about zombies with cover-based shooting. But that's the thing I take from this... it all managed to work, and the fact we get so angry and act like people who liked it are somehow "overrating" something that put genuine heart and effort into a work makes me feel like we're becoming too cynical. Stop and enjoy the nice things once in awhile. It doesn't all have to be indie titles with pixel art and titles that make no sense, sometimes it can be an artful console experience with unassuming gameplay and a fantastic story.
Cole Lansburry I was with you til the end. I will tell someone who claims this game is one of the best games ever made that they are overrating it. The gameplay is incredibly dull and boring, very linear and slow paced. It isn't scary, so it isn't survival horror, and it's too slow to provide good action. As a story, the pacing is bad for the first half, delivering a "serial" or "episodic" feeling, where characters waltz in for no reason because they immediately fuck off like they were the sidekick of the week. Admittedly, it does pick up in the latter half and become better paced and more interesting, but as a whole the story isn't so brilliant that it carries this game above the position of a 7 or 8 out of 10.
I disagree. I've had no issues with the pacing and I feel the story stands up to even some of the best movies out there. The plot isn't anything unique, but the way in which they told the story was incredibly well done. They made the story feel real. I like to compare the brilliant death scene of Sarah with that of Io in Clash of the Titans, because they skillfully mixed fiction and reality together into something that's quite convincing. A lot of people rag on the gameplay, and I'll admit that the gameplay itself would be mediocre without the story holding it up. But then again, I also find that people who dislike the game because of the gameplay also tend to be people who don't really care too much about the story in video games to begin with. It's all just my opinion but it explains why the game gets the praise that it does.
out of curiosity, what is the best game ever made? Not because of its TYPE of gameplay/story, but because of how polished and uncritisisable (is that a word?) it is.
Randomdeath41 Gaming'n'Stuff It's hard to say because it's so subjective. I mean, if we compare to film for a moment, let's talk about two of the greatest movies ever made going by critical consensus. Citizen Kane and 2001: A Space Oddyssey. Well, I've seen people complain about 2001s pacing being too slow, and claim the story in Citizen Kane is boring. To many people something like Chrono Trigger is one of the best games ever made. To me, it's average with just other Square Enix titles, much less all JRPGs or video games as a whole. A good game, just not one that's particularly brilliant.
I'm just sad Naughty Dog stooped so low. They made a game everyone is sure to like. Cover based shooting, stealth apocalypse, tragic main character that lost someone, it's all so by the book. What happened to Crash? What happened to Jak and Daxter? Those games had so much originality, character and fun in them! At least Insomniac and Sucker Punch are trying something.
Joel: I love this girl, she's my new daughter. I don't care if she can save millions of lives, I'd rather doom the world than have a child I know die. I'm gonna take her away and there's nothing you can do about that. Abby: You sure about that?
04:34 before I played the game, I thought he meant Joel and Ellie just blow up an enemy base with hundreds of innocent workers in it or something. Holy shit, the actual ending is much worse
I have a theory that the game's popularity is due to it being enjoyed by a lot of people who don't play games an awful lot, as well as those who play games with most of their free time. This slightly more casual gamer now has something to talk about with their more 'hardcore' buddy. The mechanics are straight forward, no stamina management or stat building and the story is dark enough to be 'for grown ups'. Together this means the game has a broad appeal. Casuals like the 'playing a movie' angle and hardcore gamers like the fact that outsiders are taking their hobby seriously and will defend that bridge righteously =D
@@usul573 Because they make their games as unchallenging as possible (in terms of difficulty, game play and story) so as to appeal to the broadest market possible.
I can absolutely not agree more. You hear people saying the TLoU 1 is one of the best games ever when it came out, but when a game like God of War(if you can’t tell by my username and profile pic I love that game) I didn’t hear anything about it when it first came out and why? Because it’s gameplay is meant for people who actually play games. I like Naughty Dog as a company that doesn’t try to milk as much money as possible like other companies like EA, Ubisoft, and Activision but Naughty Dog just make games with no stimulating gameplay, but stories that aren’t very offensive. But when TLoU 2 has the slightest bit of a nuanced story. The whole fucking balance is thrown out of whack.
You think this is bad? Have you seen the TLOU video review by Gamespot or Polygon? They gave TLOU 8/10 (Gamespot) & 7.5/10(Polygon), and they both got about 80% dislikes. Seriously. Anything under "perfect" for this game attracts hate like you wouldn't imagine. I say Yahtzee is lucky, cos his fans are awesome.
lol i thought the same! so many people and websites praising this game and to me it ended up being another zombie (infected for those of you who will get anal about it) apocalypse story and game. it was good but soooooooooooooo overrated. ohhh and the ending was awfull.
Yeah, it's an 8/10 for me, too. It's well-crafted and (as Yahtzee points out) is quite well-presented. It's a decent "all-rounder" type of game, but nothing special. More a "Jack of all trades, master of none" kinda thing.
Motorstormfanboy It was literally children of men + zombies. I predicted every major plot point and twist. Totally mediocre and at many times outright cliche. The scene that people claim were "sooo emotional" to me were rushed, forced and even comical at times. lol... just did not pull at my heart strings like so many claim it did theirs. That was the main selling point for the game too, the "emotional impact", but for me it did not exist at all. The Walking Dead from telltale far out performed TLOU in that department.
Almost 4 years, and still a certain fandom's existence is a peculiar phenomenon for people. Over 40 years and homosexuality is still considered as a mental illness by some. Almost 400 years and many still don't get what atheism means. There are a lot of things that will take a long time for people to get used to.
Arexion5293 100% true. Also, in some first world countries, it's more offensive to be anti-gay than it is to be pro-gay. The rest of the planet, though...
Hubblebub Lumbubwub No, but it was considered by the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistics Manual) to be a mental illness for a long time. 40 years ago was when it was removed from the DSM as a mental illness, yet some people still see it that way. That seemed to be his point.
A long time ago I saw a movie. The movie was flawless, perfect, smart, tenacious, infuriating, all delivered in a incredible way to me, the viewer. For me that movie was the best movie ever, clearly a masterpiece work of art... except it wasn't. The days passed, and little by little the hype faded. I started thinking about the movie, its characters and motivations, the results of their actions, the plot holes, and all of a sudden it was not that flawless anymore. Today I think it's just a mediocre movie. Sometimes we can be blind when looking to something "flawless"
Types of "fanboy" comments seem to mainly consist of either: A. THIS GAME IS AWESOME! YOU SUCK CUZ YOU DISAGREE WITH MY OPINION!!!!!!!!11!!!!111 Or (even more annoying) B. "This game is amazing and you should feel stupid and inadequate for not liking it. Your subjective opinion is wrong, you just didn't understand the game/were just bad at it" I find type B to be waaaaay more annoying. Can't stand a "holier than thou" attitude. Hilarious review
Heide Knight Go watch the gamespot review if you want to see all this in action. He gives it an 8. Which I think is a fair score for this game. And people gave him death threats.
+L Pendergast Oh shit really? I give this personally a 7/10. If I was a pro critic with videos, magazines, etc then some guy would come to my house and kill me lol.
I'm glad there is someone on the internet who isn't sloppily kissing this game's bum. It's getting kind of old hearing everyone talk about how phenomenal this game is when in reality it's just really good. It's not a masterpiece by any means. I mean, it's not original, (Zombie apocalypse and all that. And don't talk to me about the fact that the virus is fungus-based, they're still zombies.) It doesn't have the best gameplay, (It's not terrible gameplay by any stretch of the imagination, but it doesn't do anything new.) and most characters are not particularly interesting. So while it's not bad, it doesn't deserve to get the GOTY award, especially not when you've got a game like Bioshock Infinite floating around. That game did EVERYTHING right, IMO. The gameplay is varied, fast paced, and fun. The story is superb, aided by the fact that the setting is so original and fascinating. The entire experience keeps you guessing and is far more imaginative. BI is far more creative, which I feel puts it above the cliche-ridden The Last of Us. (And seriously, who does the title "The Last of Us" refer to? The amount of living people in this game is crazy. And why are there such humungous bandit camps everywhere? You'd think the band of murderous psychopaths would be a little more exclusive.)
It's because the game actually has a decent story as well as good graphics and fun game play. Best game I ever played. But I love zombie films/apocalyptic worlds. The fact that nature is taking back the planet is awesome. The story is beautiful as well. Games are like art and you can interpretate them how you like. I will happily keep on kissing this games bum.
Mia Cat Well, that depends. Do you care what tone the game has? Because if not, then I'd check out the Deadrising series (2 preferably). They're campy, colorful, and friggin hilarious. Ever see a man in a speedo with a colorful Halloween mask that spells "child molester" try and act serious and dramatic in a cutscene? Let's see... The TellTale Walkding Dead game is pretty phenomenal. If you value stories in games more than anything else then I'd definitely recommend all seasons of that game. If you're into ball-crushing realism that chews you up and spits you out and then steps on you with high heels, then that's a pretty disgusting fetish. But if you like really hard games, Day Z is the closest thing we've got to a realistic zombie apocalypse simulator. Be warned, everyone in that game WILL kill you on sight. Resident Evil 4 is technically a zombie game, I suppose. It's been called one of the greatest games of all time, and while I don't quite agree with that, it is a very good game. Especially when you get the infinite ammo tommy gun and go on a catharsis spree and get revenge on all the bloody pricks that annihilated you during your first run through the game. Red Dead Redemption has some DLC titled Undead Nightmare, which has got to be the greatest DLC pack I've ever downloaded. But that's a very opinionated sort of thing. It's got massive amounts of zombies, plenty of side quests and such, and everything else we all love about Red Dead. Plus, it's only like 10 bucks (if you have Red Dead Redemption already, of course).
Deadrising was fun but I disliked the time limits.. no one likes to be rushed. I need to play walking dead.. and may dable in resident evil 4. Day z just sounds like a thunderstorm of online players that are massive shits (I'm assuming it's like gta online but possibly worse). Undead nightmare was fun, infact red dead was awesome. But still even looking at these games they just... don't give me hardly any feels. I mean before then L4D was my fav just because it was SO fun.. The last of us is just like a film and I think that's why a lot of maybe hard core gamers are like humph. Either way you're all entitled to opinions, but last of us is so lovely. Made me cry and laugh and urgh. Just enjoyed it so much. :)
I played the game...but then I got bored about half way through it. The story was decent enough, sure, but it feels like the game was over hyped as hell
_: 2013 "Best game ever!"_ _: 2015 "In hindsight, it's alright."_ _: 2018 "What the fuck were we thinking?"_ 'The Last of Us' chronology. In that order
I imagine if I were on an island with NaughtyDog, they would be nicking all my stuff and claiming it theirs and its better. I mean its a 3rd person zombie survival game where you need to protect a little girl and you can craft weapons. I'm not sure if I just described Dead Rising 2 instead. These are the guys who made a platforming mascot who jumps on top of his crates instead of Mario's from under them. He even had his own go-kart game. Where did they get that idea?
@@ichijofestival2576 to be fair, in gameplay terms its not much like protecting, but protecting the girl is essentially what you do in terms of the story
What? A cartoonish platformer? It’s a straight rip off!! The whole franchise should be burned to the ground cause someone else already made a platformer with boxes in it! What the hell naughty dog?
You can't call them zombies in a zombie property, that's not how zombies work. You have to come up with a different name for them, it's just a rule of working with the medium. Referring to zombies as zombies establishes your IP as a comedy.
***** That rule is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. I would have much more respect for a medium that simply called them what they were rather trying to by artsy about it. And what exactly established "zombie" as a comedic phrase? I don't exactly burst out laughing every time I hear the word.
bjh2o It's not an actual rule, and zombies aren't actually zombies. Voodoo zombies, the OG real zombies, are still alive, still human, and not cannibalistic. Referring to zombies as zombies doesn't make sense in a zombie property that is trying to take itself seriously because of this. Also, having the zombies be called whatever random ass name you've come up with helps outline their superpowers.
bjh2o They aren't trying to be artsy about it, they're trying not to conflate their human eating disease with mind controlled voodoo slaves. Zombie is a loaded word, so most everyone avoids it like the plague.
+Sergei Ivanovich Mosin It definitely would've removed the pretense. "You think this main character's a psychopath? Now you can murder everything in your way like an _actual_ psychopath!"
+jpkurihara He's just a realist and survivalist. You don't live 20 years post-humanity wiped out apocalypse without making some personal and moral sacrifices.
Smoke bombs are useless on easy and normal, but when you get to grounded they become one of your best friends. Hell, bricks and bottles become your best friends
I hate how people think that the more a game behaves like a movie then that means it has a great story. It doesn't. Its just trying to be like a cinematic film, nothing else. It's a gimmick. Silent hill and final fantasy are good story telling, not last of us
+SuperHarryFan Joel's actions in the Firefly camps weren't crimes against humanity or lies. He did what he had to. Ellie would've died in vain and Joel would be most likely executed for being so close to a firefly camp. Joel himself probably came to that realization.
Dem SkIllz They reference in the audio logs that it was a damn dice roll. None of the previous tests had proved that there was any chance of developing a cure, and, even if they could get a cure, their priorities are still skewed. Even if they are working towards a noble cause, basically everyone in the world has to steal or raid to survive. Not many people even have access to clean water, I imagine.
This is another game that I liked. I liked the story, the gameplay was nice and I couldn't really find anything to complain about, or at least as fluently as Ben does.
Last of Us was way too short to truly explore the good mechanics in it. It also didn't give you any kind of choice (I wasn't expecting it to be like a Walking Dead game with constant plot-deciding choices but something closer to a Bethesda style game would be awesome). Another thing that really sucked about the Last of Us is that you realise that simply sneaking past all the zombies without trying to kill them is always more effective than trying to stealthily take them out one by one or going Rambo on them. I wouldn't mind this so much, but sneaking past them without harming them was so easy that even on the hardest difficulty it didn't offer any reasonable challenge.
Yes but Tom~ I play games for the story. I can excuse things like that namely because I don't try and sneak past them. I prefer the loud and proud approach to zombitches~(Technically the infected but who's counting) and yes I will admit that it's a bit quick like the horse section. I'm kinda preying for a sequel. Just played the left behind story and...just wow. This whole game knocks me back. Each to their own and I suppose what you gotta ask your self is did you enjoy it xP
I liked the story, but the gameplay made me want to freaking kill myself... Hated it. Best movie ever, but game, no. Walking Dead is a way better game, Clementine is better than Ellie, Lee is better than Joel, on and on and on and on.
That's true, but for someone who loves the sneaky, efficient playstyle in games, the Last of Us was kind of a let down. One thing that I wish games would stop doing is having their 'oblivious walking patterns' where they just walk in the exact same circle all the time. If games introduced some unpredictability then it would be so much more fun and realistic.
The point of Yahtzee doing these reviews is simply to alleviate hype sickness that aggressive, triple-A titles generate. Brings people back down to earth to realize that very few things are perfect and that even fewer things in the game industry even qualify for the praise they get. And you people generate revenue for the company that pays him because you love one thing and abhor the other.
Bioshock isn't about exploraion, it's about playr choice combat. Levin has stated time and time again that evrything beyond that is up for grabs. Myabe the next title will feature exploration, maybe it won't, oh well.
I like one thing about this game, and that is that it makes us empathize with a villain protagonist. And once you realize that (if you do), it gives you some food for thought and reflection.
@@EricToTheScionti and that all got thrown out of the window in the second game, or rather sucked into another room as the game seems to fumble up itself constantly to be more “cOmPlEx” and understandable, and just kills any originality and good standing it had
I think Yahtzee's definition of the term "Murder" is rather loose; there's a world of difference between taking an innocent life unprovoked or strictly for your own benefit and killing the demonstrably homicidal sociopaths currently in the process of violently attacking a twelve year old girl. Granted, Joel's actions at the end of the game are selfish AT BEST, but if you're telling me that there is NOBODY on earth for whom you would even consider doing the same, even if only for a moment, then you are either full of shit or have gone your entire life without experiencing love. And Joel isn't a modern day human living in a country developed enough to have internet access; he isn't an American from 2016 who has never been in a life threatening situation, experienced real loss, or come face to face with genuine cruelty. Joel lives in the equivalent of a warzone, his species is going extinct and his first formative experience in the new world was his only child bleeding to death in his arms. It's a wonder that he's even still capable of empathy. "Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him" - Fyodor Dostoevsky
I don't watch Yahtzees reviews for an opinion because that is my decision, I just watch them because they are hilarious XD I don't care if he bags out a good game or a game I like, he makes me laugh.
Don't forget the other thing about zombie apocalypses. They escalate *ridiculously* fast. And in The Last of Us, they just said, "Fuck it. Have a soldier shoot a little girl for the lulz." for the prologue alone. Even though _that_ shit doesn't happen until things get _really_ bad. And I'm talking nuclear holocaust bad. This is what the 1984 movie Threads got right. It was a slow burn
Welp, just finished the game for the first time. 100% percents on board with this review. I can't even bring myself to play the DLC now, lest be remembered about how much I would have liked this ending to be Spec Ops : the Line.
Last xmas my brother got me The Last Of Us (despite me already saying I had no interest in playing it). As it was a gift I felt obligated to play it all the way through to the end... and it was one of the most excruciating gaming experiences of my life. There were moments I was nearly in tears, wondering if the horrible game I was subjecting myself to would ever fucking end. How it ever got re-released is beyond me, high definition is not going to make the characters likable or make the gameplay fun
Yeah but Sony and Naughty Dog wanted the money. I feel your pain, I replayed the game a year ago and ended up hating it for several reasons. I have no idea why this is supposedly the best game ever and why anyone would want a sequel.
I know this comment is old as hell, but I finally got around to playing The Last Of Us recently and at this point I am mostly playing it out of some form of morbid curiosity. The gameplay is honestly terrible. The absurd amounts of human enemies you kill is absurd. The story, which was supposed to be so fantastic, is comprised of a few short cutscenes that's like a "zombie apocolypse bingo card". I would have liked this game a lot more if it was an indie game (so I had less expectations of the gameplay) and it was about 1/10th as long.
I love the last of us, I also like zero punctuation, I like this video EVEN THOUGH it criticises the last of us. It was a funny video and it made valid points. Believe it or not but not all fans of the last of us can't take criticism. So whenever someone doesn't like something that shines a light on some of the last of us's flaws that doesn't mean they're just "fanboys" that can't take criticism. Look up a video called "Everything wrong with the Last of Us" it is a perfect example of a shit video that criticises the last of us and all of it's fans are paradoxically avoiding all criticism against the video and pinning it on butt hurt fan boys that they themselves hypocritically claim "can't take criticism". What I'm saying is although to some the last of us is bullet proof and beyond any legitimate criticism, and I'm not saying this is not a problem. But equally to some all criticism of the last of us is also bullet proof and beyond legitimate criticism. Some times arguments against some things are flawed themselves. That's why people discuss things. No matter what side you're on putting your hands on your ears and saying "lalalalalala can't hear you!" is a bad thing.
Blue_Pie_Ninja You think the internet is full of fanboys? FUCK YOU. The internet and everyone on it is awesome, and I will beat the shit off of anyone who says different.
Good to know I wasn't the only one who found The Last of Us's story predictable. It was a good game overall, but story wise I was calling every plot twist (can you really call them plot twists if you saw them coming?) I even accurately predicted the ending when I was only a quarter of the way thorough the game. I tell everyone I know this and they completely disagree with me.
But did you enjoy the story? If a story is told well enough, the predictable plot twists won't matter as much because the journey to get to the end will be worth it. I honestly thought that Last of Us was both *predictable* and a bit *stale*. Personally, I like The Walking Dead's story better. No twists either, but the journey is both satisfying and heartbreaking.
GuessWho7197 People think I'm weird for saying this, but I actually liked the gameplay of Last of Us. The atmosphere and "functional" combo of stealth+crafting was pretty good, if not groundbreaking. *sigh* If only Joel was a likable or sympathetic character, then maybe I would've enjoyed the story. Even a little bit.
I've always hated when people claim that a story is "predictable." That says absolutely fuck all. It has nothing to do with the quality of story if it's completely unpredictable. What if it ended with aliens abducting Joel and probing him to death? That would've been unpredictable, and fucking stupid.
It's so true, when is the gaming society going to move on from the 'zombie apocalypse' hype setting. It's been done more than an overcooked turkey being lit up with a flamethrower which harnesses the power of Godzilla's atomic breath.
***** But that's completely irrelevant. Yes, they're TECHNICALLY different, but from a gameplay perspective they are still just zombies (keeping in mind of course that you get fast as well as slow zombies depending on the premise). If they had just used fast zombies instead of plant monsters it wouldn't have had any impact on the game at all. The fact that they moan and cry and whimper has absolutely no impact and doesn't at all change the fact that from a gameplay perspective they are just zombies.
'Zombies are slightly more familiar a setting than the 1980s.' Oh... how that comment has aged. Now I'm getting 1980s fatigue. Funny how Hollywood jams concepts into the ground with derivatives.
I picked this game up about 6 months after it released and had 10/10s everywhere and I remember reaching the end thinking "thats it?" It's a well crafted good looking game but I found the story and gameplay to be dull.
oh man, Sony will throw you into the depths of 7th layer of hell for having an opinion!!!! yahtzee is forgiven for having a opinion that differs from the last of us hype wich sony fanboys keep annoying others with until motherfucking today...
This was my first Zero Punctuation, and my first introduction to Yahtzee, all those years ago. I’m sad to see it go. Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
Overrated doesn't automatically mean bad. The fact that people are praising an above average game as the second coming of christ smells of it being overrated to me.
Jackinthebox well that's your opinion, I think it's a masterpiece personally. I do hope you can respect my opinion unlike most of the children in this comments section.
Bill I Did Not Bang That Woman Clinton I have no problem with your opinion. A lot of the fanbase is calling the game perfect to a fanatic degree, which is why it's called overrated by a lot of people. You can like what you want, really.
Bill I Did Not Bang That Woman Clinton Played it and it was so boring, made it halfway and just could get myself to finish it. What really surprised me the most is the fact that I didn't even get the game that was advertised. The ai sucked and didn't react to their surrounding like they showed in E3.
For the last time they're not zombies. They are human cauliflowers.
In Soviet Russia, cauliflower get human ear
Guess they equipped the Milkweed rune.
I love The Last of Us, but this guy fucking nails cliche's to a cross I love it.
Same
"You don't bring pepper-spray to a murder-fight."
I thought you have played Deus Ex, Yahtzee. :P
Yes, and the boss fights in that game follow that rule.
To be honest Deus ex gives you the option to kill or not kill. Games with Pacifist runs are Great.
What a shame he was a good man what a rotten day to die
after watching his review of the first one, I can't wait to see his review on The Last of Us 2 when it comes out.
Yesterday
"You'd think people would care about the loss of human life more in the apocalypse, apparently not"
Federico Olivares unsure cant don’t see it.
All I'm thinking is maybe the developer listened too much to this review, and assumed we wanted the old main characters to get their a$$ handed to them.....
@@mattevans4377 yes, I feel that way too, since his criticism is that ND tends to dehumanize anyone that isn't the main character they tried in TLOU2 to give different perspectives and make both sides grey.
Video game oscar bait?
My god you're right...
The Schindler's List of gaming dontcha know! 😂
Oh, how portentous that was.
TLOU 1 is the most overrated game of all history.
after TLOU2 winning the video game oscars by being video game oscarbait even more this quote has aged perfectly
@@Aeternum_Gaming really? I've never heard much bad about it from anyone ever. No matter how critical they usually are
I just beat the game a minute ago for the first time and I chose hard. Items and ammo are so scarce that I never had more than 15 shots cumulatively among my 6 firearms.. It makes the tension so unbelievably thick that you can't even compare it to the easier difficulties.
Try Grounded. You'll be doing more CQC and backpedaling than you've ever done in any game
Even in MGS3?
Really accurate, especially with the whole "Clicker decides that the only attack you can kill it with suddenly doesn't work" bit...
Your opinion differs from mine, therefore you're an individual who prefers sexual encounters with more than one willy.
(My lawyers had me carefully re-word that message.)
Not sure if a perfect example of satirizing TH-cam comments or serious...
Either way, I laughed in my head at the execution. You get a thumbs up.
Hey man, I just wanna remind you of this absolute gold you wrote half a decade ago. Have a great day!
This made my day :P
Gold
Lmao
Here's the thing about the Last of Us: For everything the story tried to do to make me feel terrible Spec Ops The Line beat it to the punch.
They could have made the ending an ending tron 3000 instead of having one ending. The second ending could have been that Joel has grown as a person and that Ellie is more than just a daughter surrogate and that she has a bigger role in the world kinda like the princess in Ico.
I have no fucking idea what you're talking about. The first Last of Us rarely ever makes you feel terrible for your actions except for in the last act, which varies differently from the way its told in Spec Ops. I know this comment was from 5 years ago, but please tell me what in the fuck you are talking about?
@@connorambrosino1741 lmao the first game is about hope op is based
4:57 "At least they won't bash my skull in and have sassy dialogues about how my brain looks."
Ha... ha ha... yeah, they totally won't...
Hole in one!
"as if daring me to suggest a more effective strategy" just perfect.
I love Yahtzee's reviews. Even when I disagree he is so much more mature and truthful about his critical views that he seeds out any immature goons in the comments. Everyone in the comments has a similar mature outlook on games as him and he seems to be the only reviewer to actually say what he thinks.
Man, he is probably the only reviewer who I observed that very rarely gets flack whenever he has a different opinion. Like I know Anthony Fantano gives pretty hot takes, but the fans are more accepting when Zero does them.
@@mackielunkey2205 It's because Fantano's takes are often poorly thought out (see the Smile album review where he confuses intentional polyrhythms with "bad"/sloppy playing, Arcade Fire's Reflektor review where despite liking more than half the runtime of the record he gave it a 4/10 or the infamous MBDTF review where "gamechanging production" gets brought down four numbers because he "doesn't care about Kanye's personal life"), and he's not nearly as funny or eloquent as Yahtzee. He's also more condescending to people that like something. That also reminds me, Yahtzee doesn't give things scores which helps a lot too.
Anyone else coming back to this review with the trailer HBO dropped just to get some counter balance to the hype?
I just saw that the second season won't air til 2025. It'll be nice to have a reprieve from all the hubbub for a couple years. Saying the franchise is bad is downright disingenuous, but people treat this story like it's the Second Coming.
naughty dog might have fixed the "no consequences for their actions" bit, but they drove the oscar bait and pretentious bullshit dials up past 10 right up to 255.
eg. the dog the game forces you to kill and then it's revealed in flashback the dog was the pet of another character to make you feel bad for killing the dog the game forced you to kill
and also they abused the shit out of their employees
I agree with you in the last sentence
Why would you feel bad for killing a dog that was trying to eat your face off? Sad perhaps if you like dogs like I do, but not bad...
Ah, the Spec Ops: The Line style of storytelling.
"While out murdering people one day, Joel..."
XD
Killing a man to Joel is like brushing his teeth or drinking water, hell it's like breathing lol
@Usul573 you had to paraphrase the 4th Rambo movie, didn’t you? Can’t say I blame you lol
@@aztn19 That's a Rambo paraphrase?
@Usul573 “Killing’s as easy as breathing” is a line John Rambo used in the 4th Rambo movie, as for him it was what he could do best. I do like those movies, though they do get silly from the second film onward; the 5th on Last Blood is the least enjoyable to sit through admittedly
i have seen at least 5 comments making fun of fan-boys/hating on fan-boys (
You blind?
Kermit the Frog
ok i did find 1
Leon gotget Apparently the majority of the audience can take some criticism without reaching for torch and pitchfork, so most of the comments support the review (or at least his right to present his opinion). But there definitely are some militant fanboys up in arms around, and some did get enough upvotes to show up on the front page, like some nutter who thinks quoting positive reviews somehow invalidates any negative opinion about the game. Yahtzee tends to ruffle the feathers of people who love games he reviews except for the 5 or so positive reviews he's done, but the 1500 dislikes on this video is probably among the highest. Usually he only pisses off so many fanboys when he goes after Nintendo or Final Fantasy. lol
Can’t wait for his take on Part II
Me too mate
This replied has not aged will lol part 2 is badddd
@@Auraborias yeah we know, we just wanna know how he'd react
@@solaireofastora9178 played it, plot was unoriginal, so was the first's premise but at least it had some nuances to it, had a great delivery, was well paced and introduced likeable characters and and told a very human story, the second is not well paced, game was too long, gameplay was dated even back in 2013 so now it's insultingly dated, they break character conventions to make events happen which is contrived as fuck, the delivery of the plot feels amateurish and the ending didn't feel conclusive or cathartic at all
@@rexnihilum7822 I read a review where someone was saying it was supposed to bring about an "Ego" death to enforce humanization and forgiveness. Ignoring, of course, that even in lieu of those things it doesn't mean the character didn't need to just be ended. Abby should have died and then Ellie should have offered herself or let the kid do it. Bam, hollow and pointless as the rest of the game, but at least cathartic. I know it was supposed to be about Ellie coming to "terms with not forgiving Joel before he was killed" but few players are going to agree to that journey, and trying to get us too isn't some literary work of art. Its just pretentious. The logical dissonance was always going to make us reject the message. (Ignoring that the message is stupid from the onset. Abby's dad would be breathing if he hadn't decided he could take a man who just marched through a small army, to prevent child murder, using a scalpel. Sure she's mad but after so many years she should really have learned to be accept her dad's part in all that.)
Also, as much as I disliked Joel's death it wasn't really shocking, just contrived. It just drudged back memories of the Walking Dead tv show's Negan, another completely killable character that's kept alive via plot armor and contrivance, but at least they didn't try and squeeze out sympathy for him.
Beginning to feel ND took your video personally and TLOU2 is their direct response.
Doesn't change the fact that the ending is shit considering that the main villain tried to kill the child that Ellie decided she wanted to raise despite being illegitimate and she decided to spare the bastard and live with eight fingers in a farm.
@@BoostedMonkey05 you don't even get what the game was about
@@dihyaneverforget5163 vengeance and a very shallow interpretation of how vengeance poisons the mind. Spec Ops did it better.
@@BoostedMonkey05 actually it's about forgiveness and learning to let go... and Spec Ops is definitely not about vengeance
@@BoostedMonkey05 As far as Abby was aware, Ellie knowingly killed the pregnant Mel so she saw it as an eye for an eye
When Caesars Legion from Fallout: New Vegas seems more functional than your "realistic" society, rewrite your damn game.
The first year of a social collapse *might* be dominated by childish assholes, but then the organized, capable groups would kill them all and take over. The sudden need for every person capable of labor (in the economic sense) means the new societies would actaully be *more* egalitarian and considerate than our current society.
Even for a total stranger with no skills, you'd still be able to join pretty much any society by fighting Clickers for them for a few years.
100% this. Throughout history we've seen that no matter how societies breakdown the natural human the tendency is to lean towards re-establishing peace and order. Even somewhere like Somalia with no government and rampant violence and corruption, or Syria during the war, or the Balkans, or any number of examples before modern history, people establish some sense of normalcy amidst the horror and the violence. TLoU's premise that everyone remains a violent selfish fearful thug is completely implausible. Especially in a world where nature is reclaiming the cities and agriculture seems eminently possible. Even the decidedly more apocalyptic, less intended as believable Mad Max Fury Road still had some semblance of order, society, culture, and disparate pockets of order.
It's even more implausible in the TLoU2 when you consider that the player characters (and Joel) have certainly a far higher kill count than the vast majority of bandits you encounter (if not the highest of all game characters), and yet *even* these mass murderers experience moments regret, second thoughts, doubt in their actions. Run of the mill bandit goons just trying to survive to the next day will surely also consider giving peace a go, if it occurs to killing machines Joel and Ellie.
The game is so insistent on superficially humanising its enemy fodder without giving them any actual humanity.
m i a g i let me correct you in war male lives are considered worthless in war because majority of males died in war.
@@sEaNoYeAh This is where I find the game's narrative falls flat. I could forgive the mass numbers of killers if the game wasn't trying to be realistic. Something like Fist of the North Star that has roving bands of killers is just meant to be a fun escapist power fantasy. Or Fallout, where the entertainment is finding the various colorful characters and the exotic places.
TLOU tries to be realistic, but it does so with zero understanding of human behavior.
"the human cauliflower"
i'm weak, that was hilariously and unexpectedly good
I come from the future ... The Last of Us 2 just came out ... the ZP is going to be the best thing about it!
Go lighting
@@Scar3crow1933 Go Bolts!!
I didn't like Last of Us 2 because Abby had no interesting hooks AT ALL. We'll see what he thinks of that.
And subscribed. Seriously, I agreed with everything this guy had to say. Not to mention I couldn't stop laughing.
I heard this review mentioned on other of his reviews and heard other people complaining about him and how he "hates everything"... then I watched this review.
I'm sorry, but what? Where is all the butthurt from? He pretty much just shrugged at the game, he didn't rip it apart, he didn't call it shit, he just didn't like it much. I'm pretty much the same, it was a massively 'ok'' game that I already forgot 99% of.
So I'm guessing "The Last of Us" is one of those games that now has a really pathetically outraged fanbase that will rage if you call what they like 'ok' and don't suck it off constantly. Well, good work guys, you're on the same level as bronies, furries and Dark Souls fans.
You must be so proud.
Battler Ushiromiya It's been established by the internet that this game is personification of god almighty. You can not oppose the consensus by saying the game is kinda cool but not amazing, oh no, the decision for the hive has been already made. I could've expressed this in less weirder way but i chose not to :)
***** Well i'd also say everyone says it's good. Cause it is imho. And some people may think it's amazing. And that's their opinion and as such is perfectly valid. The thing is that on the internet those people tend to get together on places like redit and the whole thing sort of snowballs into circlejerking overhype. It's happening with many many games. Also in the negative sence like with DMC. For some reason games lately are either amazing or pile of shit. No place for shades of grey (if there's not 50 of them) in the black and white reality of online gaming "community" these days.
***** That's mostly because non-extreme opinion usually doesn't recieve enough upvotes/+1/5stars whatever to be noticed. So the whole spectrum of opinions(if the participatns are actually able to express them which is often not the case in something like youtube comments) is kinda hidden behind most popular and least popular. It's very similar to ways how mobs/crowds of people behave. There were many studies on crowd behavior and they are very interesting read.
Okay, I only know a few fans of Dark Souls, and all they've done is tell me about really funny characters in the game, so, are the bulk of them really dicks?
I was about to comment on "DARK SOULS FANS ARE NOT BUTTHURT!"
but then i looked onto the mirror and realized that i had just become butthurt. And dark souls fan.
I feel ashamed of myself. Congrats for making me realize my own pettiness.
D;
To be honest the game was praised far beyond what it actually deserved.
Not calling it a bad game though
The best thing about this game is Troy Baker's voice.
Although I did enjoy the game in the end. Still overrated.
Troy Baker really makes everything 10 times better
Morgan Freeman makes everything inconceivably better
joesatmoes
Except for the abortion that is the HD remake of Silent Hill 2.
TheTenebrianMachine What I meant to say was "Troy Baker really makes everything *that exists* 10 times better"
SH2 HD does not exist.
This review is exactly why I like Yahtzee. He looks at games without buying into the hype first and give honest reviews. Just because it's a Naughty Dog game doesn't mean it deserves any special treatment. The same thing happened with GTA V, it was a good game, nothing more, nothing less. The Last of Us is just a good survival horror game. Nothing more, nothing less.
On another note: FUCK CLICKERS
If you played the game with P11 earforce headphones,you'd have a REAL reason to hate clickers. Those things made fighting clickers physically exhausting.
I agree but personally I just love the story and it's different from any gave I've ever played
@@Wesker10000 Yeah, that's the same with other comedic game reviewers, *cough* Dunkey *cough*, where they value the funny content over a fair review. Their videos are for entertainment purposes first and foremost. Angry Joe, Skill Up and ACG are the ones that are much less biased and focusing more on game reviews than cracking jokes.
@@arnoldSwollenmember I mean, the combat style hasn't changed too dramatically since it started. If you didn't like it the first time you played then you probably still wouldn't like it after a trilogy, 3 similar games by the same developer, and countless other imitators. Not saying I agree with them, just that it wouldn't be too difficult to argue.
I never understood why clickers were so much stronger than normal zombies. Because their faces are fucked up? I still didn't see why I couldn't just push them off of me as per usual. Also, how is it that everyone isn't infected? Won't the spores cling to their clothes and infect them the second they take their masks off?
I agree with Yahtzee that the ending is a little... unsatisfying. I'm not sure I'd agree that Ellie did anything super horrible over all the murder, but Joel certainly did, and watching him just get away with it was... strange. It almost felt like the game needed one final act to tie up all the loose ends, but it just didn't happen.
There are some really frustrating sections of the game. The one in particular that made me want to throttle the developers was the goddamn sniper segment. That motherfucker will cap you if so much as your toe is visible from the other side of the level. It doesn't matter if you're 200 yards away holding one of his allies captive, he'll make the shot without even taking a second to line it up. Creeping through a house? Better hope he doesn't randomly get the tiniest view of you through two windows and a door frame or there goes half your health!
I liked what it did early on by giving you limited resources, but by about the halfway point, Stealth wasn't super necessary because I had plenty of ammo and supplies for molotovs and nail bombs (Yahtzee is right, the smoke bombs are worthless). Stealth only really mattered against armored enemies. Even against a horde of clickers, a few molotovs and a spray of the flamethrower was usually enough, which made the game much less tense.
I also have to agree that some of these bandit groups seem unrealistically huge. Whole cities of these bastards seem to be everywhere, in which case you'd think it's because they're good at recruitment, but considering they seem to cap everyone on sight, I don't see how that's possible. It's the same issue I had with the bad guy group in Tomb Raider in that I don't see how with all this shit going on that they maintain such an enormous group.
maybe the clickers are stronger because they're completely infected, so the spores have removed all of the inhibitors the brain puts on the muscles.
+PonyLogic if the inhibition the brain put on muscles is lost then the muscle activity will be stronger but also mean the muscles will be easily torn off or have dislocations and bleeding until they die .plus fungi take nutrition from the body so the body must be weaker if they have fully grown spores in their bodies.
mohammed haider
True but if most of humanity died out before clickers were formed (since it takes longer) they wouldn't use their muscles that much.
+imaloony8 I strongly agree that Ellie wasn't dehumanized or anything. I sympathized with her very much throughout the whole game. Sometimes I wonder if Yahtzee reviews his own reviews before giving them out in a TH-cam video. His review of Dishonored I found to be his most unfair review of a game I've played so far. But he does kind of have to play a game and upload a review of it every week, so it doesn't seem like there's a lot of time for him to review his reviews.
Lambert Lim
Well, the point of Zero Punctuation is to pick on and amplify the negative aspects of a game. As Yahtzee put it "You don't call a sewage technician to redecorate your bathroom and you don't come to me to hear about how a game is good."
"You don't bring pepper spray to a murder fight"
Made me laugh because that's exactly what you do in The Culling
Noël Epics How about the Suicide Squad, to a murder fight?
Unless I watched that movie wrong, they don't actually commit suicide. So it's just bringing more murder to the murder fight.
Who else is hype for ZP's take on Part 2?
I have a feeling he's going to rip it to shreds
@@joshuarace6319 oh I hope he does, molecule by molecules
@@CBRN-115 Atom by Atom
It'd be funny as hell if he winds up liking it.
His reviews for games from "auteurs" who crawl up their own asses are the best (Daikatana, Metal Gear Solid, every David Cage game).
I love the thirteen year old fanboys who don't know shit about zero punctuation and get all butthurt when their beloved game is not praised
aaronx83 I love the ten year old fanboys who hate every game they can't play.
aaronx83 It doesn't sound like you love them at all
There is a lot of boy loving going on here...
Eric "Q" Hochuli No homo. ¯\(°_o)/¯
Seriously though, I'm a girl.
My joke wasn't about gender, it was about age :/
This is actually my favorite game out there currently, and am super anxious and excited to see how they do the next.
Oh god
Oh, oh dear god my poor friend.
My condolences
So... thoughts?
@@Ten_Thousand_Locusts ah yes, my favourite genre, golf followed by 14 hours of misery porn
@@Ten_Thousand_Locusts 🧔♂️🏌️♀️
@@HoppingSkipperoh god, it ended up being one of the most awarded games of all time oh nooooo
Game was great, and most of people’s critique boils down to “trans people bad”, “gay people bad”, “girl with muscles bad”, or “why did Joel have to die 😢 😢 😭 “
I get that Spec Ops: The Line and The Last of Us are similar in the sense that they're more or less cover shooters with grim storylines, but I'd say Spec Ops is an infinitely better game solely for the fact that the story isn't written as though the writers were unaware that the protagonist is a murderous psychopath. It's literally a deconstruction of shooter games -- in reality, the protagonist of a shooter would be an absolute monster. Spec Ops fucking nails it in that regard.
Then there's the Last of Us, who COULD HAVE WENT THAT ROUTE. Really! They could have gone the Heart of Darkness route and have Joel descend a downward spiral of sociopathic darwinism, survivalism, and death. Either that, or
*It's been more than a year, but just in case there's anyone left who gives a shit, spoiler alert.*
Joel actually, you know, DEVELOPS as a fucking character and learns to finally cope with his loss -- and let Ellie go. That would have been a heartbreaking ending that at least made the character a little sympathetic. Instead, though, the game has him turn a fucking hospital into a charnel house and then has the gall to act like he's some kind of hero.
Joel is a selfish, and evil fuck.
NoiseMarines But Joel did develop as a character. He went from someone who was effectively emotionally dead to almost how he was before the apocalypse, all because he had finally found one thing that he cared about. You say Joel needed to learn how to cope with his loss, well Ellie was how he was coping with it. He's a man who has already lost everything once, and he sure as hell wasn't going to let it happen again. You see a monster slaughtering people and fucking over the world for selfish reasons, I see a father protecting his daughter. Was it the best decision for the world? No. Was it the best decision for Joel? Yes, because any other option would have left him so broken that he probably would have destroyed everything anyways
PikachuLittle "I see a father protecting his daughter."
Ellie is not, nor has she ever been, his daughter. She's a girl that Joel up and decided to be a creepy surrogate dad to. Ellie did not agree to be his new daughter, and that doesn't matter because it was never up to Ellie. It was never about Ellie, it was about fucking Joel and his refrigerated daughter.
"Was it the best option for the world? No. Was it the best decision for Joel? Yes."
I agree! And that's why he's an evil piece of shit! He stabbed one of the last brain surgeons (if not *the* last brain surgeon) in the throat because he could never get over the death of his daughter. Nevermind that they were on the cusp of a cure -- he had literally no reason to kill that man! Same with the leader of the Fireflies, she is bleeding and helpless on the ground, and he murdered her. "You'll just come after her" Fuck you, you goddamn maniac.
NoiseMarines Oi, Ellie said herself, "Everyone I cared about has died. Everyone.. Fucking except for you! So don't leave me to another person because the truth is I would just be more scared." When she's going to go with Tommy, instead of Joel.
+NoiseMarines Of course he is. But who says every protagonist has to be a good guy? This isn't a story about how the good guy saved the day, its about how a man saved himself, no matter what the cost. Yes, his actions were terrible, and in the eyes of anyone else he would be considered a selfish, evil douche canoe. To basically everyone but himself, Ellie and his brother, Joel was the bad guy. And you know what? I liked that, it was a nice change of pace. Who cares if he was the bad guy? The point of the story was to follow his journey, and in his eyes he was doing what he needed to, even if that wasn't the best decision for the world.
+NoiseMarines I think the reason you disliked it is the very reason a lot of people liked it. We've gotten sick and tired of people growing selfless in video games, books, movies, and tv, and finally up and deciding to do the right thing and save the world or whatever. It's overworked to the point of cliche. This wasn't that. At all.
It was a jaded man deciding to do what he thought was best. Why save a humanity that has dedicated itself to eating itself alive? Who would want to save that disgusting species over this innocent girl who is even willing to sacrifice herself without fully knowing what she'd be dying to save? Joel's had it with humanity and its disgusting excuse for "self-preservation" and, ironically enough, engages in the exact same thing to keep his heart and mind in one piece and to keep Ellie alive.
End of the day, we've all got opinions, brah. I loved it, and I'm sorry you didn't.
Finally someone else who understands why this game isn't a masterpiece. It is very unoriginal in its safe choices by doing something that everyone else has already done sufficiently. I love how he talks about the fact that the story and gameplay don't mix, something that stopped me from getting invested throughout the game.
Not having played the game, I thought the use of cordyceps as the zombifying factor was kinda clever. Everything else... you're probably right.
I can’t keep playing, it’s so generic and boring, but everyone’s saying it’s so great
It has Uncharted like gameplay: hide and shot, yet Uncharted was so much fun and this is NOT 😤😭😭
I like how this game gets so many 10/10s and 9/10s without justification beyond "OMG teh feelz!"
Here's the thing: TLoU isn't a bad game by any means. It's got excellent graphics and a decent story, but I can't understand why so many people think it's the "greatest game of the generation", or even the "greatest of all time."
The story might be impressive and emotional to some people, but the actual game part of it is rather average. The are so many immersion-breaking factors in the game. Why do blind clickers seemingly have the ability to see me when I'm standing absolutely still and not moving at all? Why do clickers and other enemies literally ignore all my invincible, infinitely ammo'd friends (a problem in and of itself) in a fight and all go after Joel? Why can Sam yell "OMG A ZOMBIE!" and the runners don't come, but I step once towards them from 15 feet away and they all go apeshit? What's with the whole snowstorm section? They clearly say "I can barely see anything!" but have no qualms about shooting you from 20-30 feet away, even though you could easily be one of their buddies for all they knew. Why the hell are there so many bandits in literally every place you go?
While I understand why all those things are in place, a lot of these are nitpicks, but do take away from immersion. That's a big no-no for a story driven game, which is why it's a valid criticism.
But here's the main point - the gameplay is average. The TPS factor of it isn't all that impressive, the stealth and AI are flawed in many aspects, and there are too many pallet/ladder puzzles to be acceptable. The emotional impact does not matter if the game isn't fun to actually play. Otherwise, why shouldn't it just be a movie?
The bandits are easily understandable given the conditions outside the safe zones. The ending is certainly what undermines Joel's character development as he must learn the meaning of self-sacrifice in order to create a better world for everyone by sacrificing the thing he wants the most: a daughter.
I think it works so much better as a movie thanks to the story and the excellent voice acting. I played the game and got bored of the walking sections, stealth sections, ladder puzzles, annoying controls and the fact that knives are one use items... fucking pull that thing out of the cauliflower, you dolt! Anyway, I watched a walkthrough of it and I was hooked. It was so much more entertaining when I wasn't being held back by the below average gameplay and could just enjoy the best aspect of this game without being bored or munched on by cabbage or whatever those things were constantly.
This is way old but I gotta reply anyway...
The whole “it could just be a movie” argument is kinda shit. The story is meh, but how it’s told is brilliant. Not only is the game about the relationship between Joel and Ellie, it’s between you and Ellie as you work with, talk with and fight with her building your relationship.
Personally I think the gameplay is super fun and I’m addicted to the loop.
Yea the puzzles are shit but I’m not much of a puzzle guy so don’t really care.
You also said you understand why those immersion braking things are there, but the main point is it’s a video game. This sorta stuff happens in literally every game with npcs. Name one where it doesn’t... obviously the intent is to stop the gameplay from being frustrating by having an npc ruin everything and draw attention from zombies and people.
Also the clickers can’t see you when you stand still, that’s like the first tactic for dealing with em..?
I think the gameplay was ok, definitely buggy but I personally enjoyed it, it was something new.
Al McKinney Just git gud smh. That solves a lot of the problems you have. And any game will seem like shit if you nitpick. Identifying and putting together all negative aspects of anything can really affect judgement.
Wait,
-Girl escort that can't die
-Main character who is a horrible person
-Unoriginal shooty gameplay
-Anticlimactic ending
-Ubiquitously praised by people with their head in the incorrect position in relation to their ass
It's Bioshock Infinite with zombies in it!
@Geralt of Trivia
I bet loads that this guy praises RDR2 for the 3rd and 5th point
I will never understand people who have ALREADY bought and PLAYED a game and then go shout angrily at any reviewer or critic who disagrees with them. How insecure must you be to not be able to enjoy anything without everyone agreeing with you about it?!
+Great Story and pacing (-Unsatisfactory ending, at least for me)
+Great Graphics
+Awesome presentation (mocap, music and voice overs are top notch)
-No innovation in gameplay whatsoever
-No real "survival" element, bullets are plenty and you're not striving for resources
-Lack of choice (YES, I am counting that as a flaw, because if you base your game around its story, might as well go the Telltale way about it and offer the player some actually interactive storytelling, not a friggin' cover based third person shooter, this is exactly what I don't like about Spec Ops The Line, and YES I am comparing this game to that one)
-Full of zombie related clichés (oh MAN is the real enemy, oh it just happens that THIS girl that you happened to run into by chance is the key to a cure, and because your daughter died it reminds you of her, not being an insensitive bastard but its been done a billion times before TLOU)
I wish more stuff to list would come to my mind, but I'm just saying this isn't the "greatest game of all time" as some people are calling it simply is an over-glorified GREAT game.
Just because you don't get to choose dialogue options in Spec Ops doesn't mean it doesn't thrive on interaction, because it does. The Whole game is an experiment between player and player character, the choices are interesting, the game makes it very apparent that the player is being considered.
The Last of Us could have had all of it's gameplay cut out, and would have been no different, that's the difference.
The story is woefully generic, I don't get why it got praised so much.
***** because it's so realistic, dramatic, and believable.
tommapar88 You are SUPPOSED to feel like you don't have a choice in Spec Ops, that's the point. Remember the scene before the white phosphorous incident?
Adams: We might not have a choice Walker.
Lugo: There's ALWAYS a choice.
Walker: No.... there's really not.
The game is trying to both criticize other games in its genre for not providing clear context and choices, and criticize the player for putting up with that trend. The game, through dialogue and loading screens, INSISTS that the one and only choice that the player truly has is the decision to continue playing. The main writer even confirmed in an interview that putting down the controller and stopping is considered a canon ending. You, as the player, make the decision to move forward, despite clear and obvious evidence that things will only get worse.
***** I wasn't complaining about Spec Ops lack of choice in the story, I was complaining about it being a great story stuck in a generic third person shooter, with lack of choice of the gameplay kind, not in the story. And that's why I compared it to TLOU, because its a great story, with relatable characters and awesome presentation, but let's face it, gameplay wise it offers no innovation at all, and only two ways to do things: guns blazing or stealthily. And for the most parts they don't give you that choice (or it is an action sequence or a stealth one, much like in Spec Ops, but a little less forced)
And he nicely sums up why the game's story isn't as good as people say. When the setting implies that humans who don't want to murder everyone else for fun are the exception rather than the rule, the story is doing something wrong.
I also don't get why the Fireflies had to be given all those extra villainous moments. The audience is supposed to see Joel choosing Ellie over the rest of humanity as a bad thing but the Fireflies aren't given any real humanizing moments.
The audience is supposed to see Joel choosing Ellie over the rest of humanity as a bad thing -You sure? I'd say it took the entire game to get us in the shoes of Joel. What villainous moments? What exactly did the setting imply btw I don't remember anyone ever murdering people for fun.
@@usul573 Yes. Joel is deciding Ellie's life is more important that spreading immunity to the zombie spores to the rest of humanity. That is the intent behind the climax of the game.
As for the Fireflies, they knock out Joel when he's resuscitating a nearly drowned Ellie. They move straight to dissecting Ellie after a few tests, which is a really dumb move since it would ruin the chance for further testing. What they were doing would destroy a cure rather than spread it. Rather than thank Joel they antagonize him for no reason, giving him no pay and throwing him out with no weapons to die, and most of them wanted to kill him. Ethan in particular is written as a jerk for no particularly good reason. That is without the details about how their attacks on army bases lead to them getting overrun by bandits and zombies. The Fireflies are supposed to be sympathetic villains but they are given moments of hostility that kill any sympathy for them because they just come off as a bunch of idiots who destroy everything they touch.
As Yahtzee nicely put it, Naughty Dog isn't good at writing humanized villains.
The sheer number of human enemies you run into implies that they want to kill you for fun. Almost everyone where you go you run into more marauders who want to kill Joel and Ellie for no particularly good reason. This is something that doesn't gel with the game's attempt to create a realistic zombie apocalypse where it goes to such pains to so living in a post apocalyptic world wouldn't be fun or glamorous. Except it also does what the post apocalyptic settings that don't try to ground themselves do, like Fallout and Fist of the North Star, and have the post apocalyptic world populated by humans will kill people one sight for reason other than because they feel like it.
I really don't see what the big deal with cannibals is when almost everyone you run into the game tries to kill you for no good reason.
@@dragonstormx I never saw it that way. Joel is not deciding Ellie's life is more important, more to Joel, the whole rest of the world can go to hell as long as he has his baby girl, which is also how TLOU1 starts. He's doing it for himself, not so much because he's decided her life is more important or anything. They knock out Joel because he is potentially dangerous and they don't know him and they view him as a threat. I never saw that the game implies they are trying to kill you for fun, it's to take everything you have so they can survive, including potentially eating you. You say the audience is supposed to see it as a bad thing, but no, the game makes no ultimate judgments, and some people supported Joel 100%, and many questioned how much the vaccine would help.
@@usul573 Situations where the audience is supposed to not make judgements are intended to come off as morally grey but the case with Joel and the Fireflies leaving nobody worth sympathizing with. Joel decided the rest of the world can go to hell, so why should I give a damn about him? I didn't care when I heard he died in the sequel because felt he deserved it (I still saw killing a lead character like that as a dumb idea but I didn't care about Joel). I have seen people who don't side with him that instance. And I have I heard about people who think that given the game painting such a bleak picture of humanity that they think the rest of humanity deserves to die in which case the game is doing something wrong.
The Fireflies don't bother trying to use reason, they resort to violence. That's all they do, they resort to violence at anyone they disagree with. These are the people who claim they would burn the world down and allow democracy to rise form the ashes. The game doesn't bother trying to explain how they are even going to distribute the immunity, because they are a bunch of idiots who can't. They game is trying to be clever by setting up a morally gray situation after you mow down so many human enemies, but know you face a bunch of villains trying to save the world. Except the Fireflies can't save the world, and the game does a terrible job humanizing them since they resolve everything with violence, on top which they are downright cruel.
Joel is a selfish piece of trash and the Fireflies are complete idiots who are too dumb to think about the consequences of their actions. There is nobody worth rooting for in that conflict.
People desperate to survive do not throw themselves at something that is mowing them down left and right, they run and hide to avoid being killed. As Yathzee pointed out the human enemies had no sense of self preservation. Likewise humans who are desperate to survive do not attack people on sight like we see in the game. This game doesn't understand human behavior and think a collapse of society turns everyone into a murderer. Crises don't cause humans to start killing each other en mass, resorting to violence like that goes against our basic survival instincts. In order to live, humans in a crisis focus more on banding together rather than killing things on sight. The idiots who act that way would die really fast and the people who survive would be the ones who focus on banding together and getting every able bodied person they can find. Despite its attempts, this post apocalyptic world isn't realistic.
In any case the game doesn't bother humanizing the generic human enemies who attack you anyways. They are just disposable cannon fodder who exist to serve as enemies.
@@dragonstormx They never said you are NOT supposed to make judgements, but they make no judgements for you. Sorry TLDR.
I wish we could get a 28 Days Later style game. No zombies. Just extremely fast infected people. Taking place between 28 Days and 28 Weeks later in destroyed London.
To all people saying "The Last of Us is overrated".....that's fine if you feel that way, but I disagree. (I know you were expecting some insult, but I actually realize that everyone has opinions.) And to anyone saying The Last of Us is "the greatest game of all time" or "a revolutionary, incomparable game that is better than anything else", the same goes to you, but I again disagree.
I absolutely loved the game. The greatest experience I personally have ever had while playing a video game. The immersion, the realism, the characterization, the storytelling, the presentation, all phenomenal. The gameplay is very good too IMO (even though some disagree), but I felt that it was tense, cinematic, and fit the story very well. Anything too over-the-top like something from Dead Rising wouldn't fit this game. Instead, the stealth, tactical strategic play, and the mature themes were very fitting to me. It also helps that the story was so good and the characters so realistic and likable, so the gameplay felt more purposeful. There wasn't anything innovative or groundbreaking with the gameplay, which is admittedly slightly disappointing, but it was enjoyable nonetheless. I also thought multiplayer was surprisingly good, especially since I thought it would be another cheap, tacked on multi. But it was actually quite fun, reminded me a lot of Gears of War, just not as good. I give this game a 10/10.
This game isn't perfect, of course. A 10/10 doesn't mean that, it means the game provided a good enough experience to that you feel that it is worthy of that status. There are some AI bugs I heard (personally didn't experience any), and the gameplay and the multi could have been better, but that wasn't but enough in any measure take away from the overall experience and immersion for me. And many feel the same way, and that's a testament to how powerful and effective the game's story and characters are.
If you say that it's overrated compared to the many who say "it's the GOAT", then I get you. It's not the greatest, obviously. But is it the best of the year? Yes. One of the best of the generation? Yes. One of the greatest ever? Depends if you're talking Top 100 or Top 10. It's nowhere near top 10, but it's in my top 100, arguably top 50.
You can say "Oh look at all these fanboys who say this game is perfect. What a bunch of idiots". But did you perhaps consider that it's THEIR opinion, and the experience was perfect to THEM. It may not have been for you, but it was for them.
At the end of the day, like it or not, The Last of Us is still the most award winning game in history and one of the most universally acclaimed games of all time. Now whether that means anything to you or not is subjective, but hey, nowadays most things are opinions anyways.
Cheers.
Barack Osama nicely said, but best of the year? No. Bioshock inifnite's story alone wrecks The Last of Us.
Your opinion
Barack Osama I am Catbug!
Barack Osama It has the same problems as LA Noire, where the game play is not in sync with the story at all times. Now I loved LA Noire and thought TLOU was okay, but to each their own.
Barack Osama Well said, but the best thing about all this is your name xD
I love how you really pull out the shit I'm too wimpy to admit to myself. Absolute gold.
"Maybe this is one of those things you need a soul for."
The most insightful thing in this entire review. Love ya, Yahtzee.
Is he referring to the brain?
Human cauliflower
I'm glad Yathzee saw Joel and Ellie for who they really were even before the sequel started drumming about Joel being a bad person. YES, HE IS, but that was self-evident to anyone with basic human morality, the game DIDN'T NEED TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT
I did actually really like this game. I found the gameplay enjoyable and challenging enough on harder difficulty settings, in addition to the characters feeling incredibly human and relatable on multiple levels, even ones you only know for a short time. Joel is a well fleshed out protagonist, but ultimately makes bad choices, but very human ones you can understand without forgiving or condemning. Ellie feels like an actual kid, and the animations feel very natural and lifelike, which I really enjoy. There's good humor, good life, genuine sadness and darkness when necessary, and the ending is rather fitting as well, really brings home what kind of person Joel truly is; A Dad, who doesn't care about the world, he cares about his daughter, and that's excellent conveyance of character, especially in an industry who doesn't do half as much work. This review is older now, but I find the game still holds up. There is an element of fun to playing the game, and the dialogue is just nice to listen to. It's rare a game has genuinely thoughtful characters on a console release, especially on a game about zombies with cover-based shooting. But that's the thing I take from this... it all managed to work, and the fact we get so angry and act like people who liked it are somehow "overrating" something that put genuine heart and effort into a work makes me feel like we're becoming too cynical. Stop and enjoy the nice things once in awhile. It doesn't all have to be indie titles with pixel art and titles that make no sense, sometimes it can be an artful console experience with unassuming gameplay and a fantastic story.
Cole Lansburry I was with you til the end. I will tell someone who claims this game is one of the best games ever made that they are overrating it. The gameplay is incredibly dull and boring, very linear and slow paced. It isn't scary, so it isn't survival horror, and it's too slow to provide good action. As a story, the pacing is bad for the first half, delivering a "serial" or "episodic" feeling, where characters waltz in for no reason because they immediately fuck off like they were the sidekick of the week. Admittedly, it does pick up in the latter half and become better paced and more interesting, but as a whole the story isn't so brilliant that it carries this game above the position of a 7 or 8 out of 10.
I disagree. I've had no issues with the pacing and I feel the story stands up to even some of the best movies out there. The plot isn't anything unique, but the way in which they told the story was incredibly well done. They made the story feel real. I like to compare the brilliant death scene of Sarah with that of Io in Clash of the Titans, because they skillfully mixed fiction and reality together into something that's quite convincing.
A lot of people rag on the gameplay, and I'll admit that the gameplay itself would be mediocre without the story holding it up. But then again, I also find that people who dislike the game because of the gameplay also tend to be people who don't really care too much about the story in video games to begin with.
It's all just my opinion but it explains why the game gets the praise that it does.
NoNameC68 If you completely axed Detroit, absolutely nothing would be lost narratively.
out of curiosity, what is the best game ever made? Not because of its TYPE of gameplay/story, but because of how polished and uncritisisable (is that a word?) it is.
Randomdeath41 Gaming'n'Stuff It's hard to say because it's so subjective. I mean, if we compare to film for a moment, let's talk about two of the greatest movies ever made going by critical consensus. Citizen Kane and 2001: A Space Oddyssey. Well, I've seen people complain about 2001s pacing being too slow, and claim the story in Citizen Kane is boring. To many people something like Chrono Trigger is one of the best games ever made. To me, it's average with just other Square Enix titles, much less all JRPGs or video games as a whole. A good game, just not one that's particularly brilliant.
"... Walk right past her as if she was selling the big issue..." Hahah!
I'm just sad Naughty Dog stooped so low. They made a game everyone is sure to like. Cover based shooting, stealth apocalypse, tragic main character that lost someone, it's all so by the book. What happened to Crash? What happened to Jak and Daxter? Those games had so much originality, character and fun in them! At least Insomniac and Sucker Punch are trying something.
oh wow you were disapointed then?
If you're dissapointed with how the game turned out, just wait until the sequel, the plot is a bunch of horseshit.
Joel: I love this girl, she's my new daughter. I don't care if she can save millions of lives, I'd rather doom the world than have a child I know die. I'm gonna take her away and there's nothing you can do about that.
Abby: You sure about that?
DID YOU JUST ASUME THEIR GENDER BIGOT!?
@@1money11 nice 2015 meme. Not dated at all
@@MirceSll Yeah it's not dated. The meme was in full circulation last year.
He did take her away lol
04:34 before I played the game, I thought he meant Joel and Ellie just blow up an enemy base with hundreds of innocent workers in it or something. Holy shit, the actual ending is much worse
I have a theory that the game's popularity is due to it being enjoyed by a lot of people who don't play games an awful lot, as well as those who play games with most of their free time. This slightly more casual gamer now has something to talk about with their more 'hardcore' buddy. The mechanics are straight forward, no stamina management or stat building and the story is dark enough to be 'for grown ups'. Together this means the game has a broad appeal. Casuals like the 'playing a movie' angle and hardcore gamers like the fact that outsiders are taking their hobby seriously and will defend that bridge righteously =D
It's a Naughty Dog game. Of course it's going to be popular.
@@usul573 Because they make their games as unchallenging as possible (in terms of difficulty, game play and story) so as to appeal to the broadest market possible.
I can absolutely not agree more. You hear people saying the TLoU 1 is one of the best games ever when it came out, but when a game like God of War(if you can’t tell by my username and profile pic I love that game) I didn’t hear anything about it when it first came out and why? Because it’s gameplay is meant for people who actually play games.
I like Naughty Dog as a company that doesn’t try to milk as much money as possible like other companies like EA, Ubisoft, and Activision but Naughty Dog just make games with no stimulating gameplay, but stories that aren’t very offensive.
But when TLoU 2 has the slightest bit of a nuanced story. The whole fucking balance is thrown out of whack.
i always think of this game as the 1 story game all the COD and fifa guys played
Of course this video would have nearly 1k dislikes...
You think this is bad? Have you seen the TLOU video review by Gamespot or Polygon? They gave TLOU 8/10 (Gamespot) & 7.5/10(Polygon), and they both got about 80% dislikes. Seriously. Anything under "perfect" for this game attracts hate like you wouldn't imagine. I say Yahtzee is lucky, cos his fans are awesome.
Paradox Al Clearly, people (or 12-year-old kids) nowadays think that critics are supposed to agree with them, not have different opinions.
SL75 Precisely. Who cares about critics providing unique perspectives, right? They're supposed to just "echo" popular opinion, apparently.
Paradox Al Because they are all jealous xbox fanboys :P
Reedster No. More like butthurt sony fanboys.
Just played through it for the first time last night. 8/10 at Best. Overrated is a massive understatement.
I find your rating ridiculously favourable.
lol i thought the same! so many people and websites praising this game and to me it ended up being another zombie (infected for those of you who will get anal about it) apocalypse story and game. it was good but soooooooooooooo overrated. ohhh and the ending was awfull.
Yeah, it's an 8/10 for me, too. It's well-crafted and (as Yahtzee points out) is quite well-presented. It's a decent "all-rounder" type of game, but nothing special. More a "Jack of all trades, master of none" kinda thing.
Paradox Al I agree. But in todays over saturated world of "decent" games it really does not stand out one bit.
Motorstormfanboy
It was literally children of men + zombies. I predicted every major plot point and twist. Totally mediocre and at many times outright cliche.
The scene that people claim were "sooo emotional" to me were rushed, forced and even comical at times. lol... just did not pull at my heart strings like so many claim it did theirs. That was the main selling point for the game too, the "emotional impact", but for me it did not exist at all. The Walking Dead from telltale far out performed TLOU in that department.
Six months, and the arguing isn't over? damn.
Almost 4 years, and still a certain fandom's existence is a peculiar phenomenon for people. Over 40 years and homosexuality is still considered as a mental illness by some. Almost 400 years and many still don't get what atheism means.
There are a lot of things that will take a long time for people to get used to.
Arexion5293 100% true.
Also, in some first world countries, it's more offensive to be anti-gay than it is to be pro-gay. The rest of the planet, though...
was homosexuality invented 40 years ago?
Hubblebub Lumbubwub No, but it was considered by the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistics Manual) to be a mental illness for a long time. 40 years ago was when it was removed from the DSM as a mental illness, yet some people still see it that way. That seemed to be his point.
My boi, I got some news for you
0:44 "And make the bad guys cry like a zombie game fan on prom night!"
triggered
+Nujum Key (Hearthstone & Let's Plays) restinpeaceno.9
It was better than nothing!
"If monsters walk past her like she's selling the Big Issue..." I loled.
"look straight past you like you're holding The Big Issue" lol. Gold.
Finally a review that isn't constantly kissing last of us's ass. The truth is finally here.
it's not the truth, it's an opinion... but a pretty awesome review xP
A long time ago I saw a movie. The movie was flawless, perfect, smart, tenacious, infuriating, all delivered in a incredible way to me, the viewer. For me that movie was the best movie ever, clearly a masterpiece work of art... except it wasn't. The days passed, and little by little the hype faded. I started thinking about the movie, its characters and motivations, the results of their actions, the plot holes, and all of a sudden it was not that flawless anymore. Today I think it's just a mediocre movie. Sometimes we can be blind when looking to something "flawless"
A lots of 10/10 sound very dumb now!
What was the movie
Was the movie called "The Brotherhood of War"?
It was The Dark Knight
***** lol This process can happen to a lot of "movies"
Welp, there goes another 900K people not knowing what individual opinions are. I'm going to just sit in my little corner and enjoy the show.
***** Oh, thanks. I'm not sure whether to be flattered or scared. And.. a kitty called me, a kitty called you, or a kitty called Statik?
Types of "fanboy" comments seem to mainly consist of either:
A. THIS GAME IS AWESOME! YOU SUCK CUZ YOU DISAGREE WITH MY OPINION!!!!!!!!11!!!!111
Or (even more annoying)
B. "This game is amazing and you should feel stupid and inadequate for not liking it. Your subjective opinion is wrong, you just didn't understand the game/were just bad at it"
I find type B to be waaaaay more annoying. Can't stand a "holier than thou" attitude.
Hilarious review
MrMrMrprofessor It's annoying because people don't understand his entire concept is HATING THINGS!
Heide Knight Go watch the gamespot review if you want to see all this in action. He gives it an 8. Which I think is a fair score for this game. And people gave him death threats.
+Heide Knight .....
+smeelyjeely Fuck Infinitie.
+L Pendergast Oh shit really? I give this personally a 7/10. If I was a pro critic with videos, magazines, etc then some guy would come to my house and kill me lol.
"You don't bring pepper spray to a murder fight" - Escapist 2013
I'm glad there is someone on the internet who isn't sloppily kissing this game's bum. It's getting kind of old hearing everyone talk about how phenomenal this game is when in reality it's just really good. It's not a masterpiece by any means. I mean, it's not original, (Zombie apocalypse and all that. And don't talk to me about the fact that the virus is fungus-based, they're still zombies.) It doesn't have the best gameplay, (It's not terrible gameplay by any stretch of the imagination, but it doesn't do anything new.) and most characters are not particularly interesting.
So while it's not bad, it doesn't deserve to get the GOTY award, especially not when you've got a game like Bioshock Infinite floating around. That game did EVERYTHING right, IMO. The gameplay is varied, fast paced, and fun. The story is superb, aided by the fact that the setting is so original and fascinating. The entire experience keeps you guessing and is far more imaginative. BI is far more creative, which I feel puts it above the cliche-ridden The Last of Us.
(And seriously, who does the title "The Last of Us" refer to? The amount of living people in this game is crazy. And why are there such humungous bandit camps everywhere? You'd think the band of murderous psychopaths would be a little more exclusive.)
It's because the game actually has a decent story as well as good graphics and fun game play. Best game I ever played. But I love zombie films/apocalyptic worlds. The fact that nature is taking back the planet is awesome. The story is beautiful as well. Games are like art and you can interpretate them how you like. I will happily keep on kissing this games bum.
Mia Cat
You need to play more games.
maybee. Is there a better zombie game den this? Please give me your feedback and I will check them out :)
Mia Cat Well, that depends. Do you care what tone the game has? Because if not, then I'd check out the Deadrising series (2 preferably). They're campy, colorful, and friggin hilarious. Ever see a man in a speedo with a colorful Halloween mask that spells "child molester" try and act serious and dramatic in a cutscene?
Let's see... The TellTale Walkding Dead game is pretty phenomenal. If you value stories in games more than anything else then I'd definitely recommend all seasons of that game.
If you're into ball-crushing realism that chews you up and spits you out and then steps on you with high heels, then that's a pretty disgusting fetish. But if you like really hard games, Day Z is the closest thing we've got to a realistic zombie apocalypse simulator. Be warned, everyone in that game WILL kill you on sight.
Resident Evil 4 is technically a zombie game, I suppose. It's been called one of the greatest games of all time, and while I don't quite agree with that, it is a very good game. Especially when you get the infinite ammo tommy gun and go on a catharsis spree and get revenge on all the bloody pricks that annihilated you during your first run through the game.
Red Dead Redemption has some DLC titled Undead Nightmare, which has got to be the greatest DLC pack I've ever downloaded. But that's a very opinionated sort of thing. It's got massive amounts of zombies, plenty of side quests and such, and everything else we all love about Red Dead. Plus, it's only like 10 bucks (if you have Red Dead Redemption already, of course).
Deadrising was fun but I disliked the time limits.. no one likes to be rushed. I need to play walking dead.. and may dable in resident evil 4. Day z just sounds like a thunderstorm of online players that are massive shits (I'm assuming it's like gta online but possibly worse).
Undead nightmare was fun, infact red dead was awesome.
But still even looking at these games they just... don't give me hardly any feels. I mean before then L4D was my fav just because it was SO fun.. The last of us is just like a film and I think that's why a lot of maybe hard core gamers are like humph.
Either way you're all entitled to opinions, but last of us is so lovely. Made me cry and laugh and urgh. Just enjoyed it so much. :)
I played the game...but then I got bored about half way through it. The story was decent enough, sure, but it feels like the game was over hyped as hell
Omg I need to watch this in 2023 where they are saying this is the greatest story ever told!
She gave me medical supplies when I desperately needed them. She was essential to the plot.
Ah the last of us; a game I like to refer to as Ladder Simulator 2013.
Don't forget the planks of wood. So, it could also be referred to as Raft Simulator 2013.
The Ladder Of Us, Plank Simulator 2013... its all good!
"I have had it with these motherfucking ladders and these motherfucking planks!"
My first zero punctuation, cheers yahtzee
"Simultaneous respiratory and bloodborne encephaletic fungus infected-" is a lovely prefix
_: 2013 "Best game ever!"_
_: 2015 "In hindsight, it's alright."_
_: 2018 "What the fuck were we thinking?"_
'The Last of Us' chronology. In that order
The level and scene transitioning alone makes it arguably one of the best game's ever made. Everything is paced to near perfection.
@@shadowmight1242 yes, because pacing tops game play.
God, fuck us all.
@@jackgarcia5926 Exactly. We're not saying it's a bad game. But my god, the fan-boys need to calm down.
I imagine if I were on an island with NaughtyDog, they would be nicking all my stuff and claiming it theirs and its better. I mean its a 3rd person zombie survival game where you need to protect a little girl and you can craft weapons. I'm not sure if I just described Dead Rising 2 instead. These are the guys who made a platforming mascot who jumps on top of his crates instead of Mario's from under them. He even had his own go-kart game. Where did they get that idea?
@@ichijofestival2576 to be fair, in gameplay terms its not much like protecting, but protecting the girl is essentially what you do in terms of the story
What? A cartoonish platformer? It’s a straight rip off!! The whole franchise should be burned to the ground cause someone else already made a platformer with boxes in it! What the hell naughty dog?
04:56 That was almost prophetic
So, The Last of Us is pretty much the video game equivalent of the recent Le Miserable remake. Gotcha.
Actually, maybe it's more like The King's Speech, since that movie was Oscar bait but was actually good.
That explains why I don't like it.
@@OdaSwifteye Holy shit this person said “the RECENT Les Miserables remake”. Damn that feels like forever ago.
Zombies. They are zombies. Calling them anything else is not clever; only pretentious.
You can't call them zombies in a zombie property, that's not how zombies work. You have to come up with a different name for them, it's just a rule of working with the medium. Referring to zombies as zombies establishes your IP as a comedy.
*****
That rule is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. I would have much more respect for a medium that simply called them what they were rather trying to by artsy about it.
And what exactly established "zombie" as a comedic phrase? I don't exactly burst out laughing every time I hear the word.
bjh2o It's not an actual rule, and zombies aren't actually zombies. Voodoo zombies, the OG real zombies, are still alive, still human, and not cannibalistic. Referring to zombies as zombies doesn't make sense in a zombie property that is trying to take itself seriously because of this. Also, having the zombies be called whatever random ass name you've come up with helps outline their superpowers.
bjh2o They aren't trying to be artsy about it, they're trying not to conflate their human eating disease with mind controlled voodoo slaves. Zombie is a loaded word, so most everyone avoids it like the plague.
bjh2o tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotUsingTheZWord
I just wish the game had an infinite ammo assault rifle mode that unlocks after you beat the game, I mean come on, that would have been fun as fuck.
+Sergei Ivanovich Mosin It definitely would've removed the pretense. "You think this main character's a psychopath? Now you can murder everything in your way like an _actual_ psychopath!"
Except Joel is a bit of a psychopath.
+jpkurihara He's just a realist and survivalist. You don't live 20 years post-humanity wiped out apocalypse without making some personal and moral sacrifices.
Still doesn't mean he isn't a psychopath. Don't worry tho, I like Joel.
+kabob21 I'm not some devolved subhuman, I wouldn't let myself fall to that level.
"You don't bring pepper spray to a murder fight."
Smoke bombs are useless on easy and normal, but when you get to grounded they become one of your best friends. Hell, bricks and bottles become your best friends
I hate how people think that the more a game behaves like a movie then that means it has a great story. It doesn't. Its just trying to be like a cinematic film, nothing else. It's a gimmick. Silent hill and final fantasy are good story telling, not last of us
I felt sorry for Joel and Ellie having to murder people, but they kind of had no choice. That's what kept them from becoming the psychopaths.
Joel is a complete Psychopath...
SuperHarryFan But he isn't, what would you do for your daughter?
+SuperHarryFan Joel's actions in the Firefly camps weren't crimes against humanity or lies. He did what he had to. Ellie would've died in vain and Joel would be most likely executed for being so close to a firefly camp. Joel himself probably came to that realization.
Dem SkIllz They reference in the audio logs that it was a damn dice roll. None of the previous tests had proved that there was any chance of developing a cure, and, even if they could get a cure, their priorities are still skewed. Even if they are working towards a noble cause, basically everyone in the world has to steal or raid to survive. Not many people even have access to clean water, I imagine.
LOLed at the running gag with the zombies and the imps! And "F*** You Got Mine"! XD
This is another game that I liked. I liked the story, the gameplay was nice and I couldn't really find anything to complain about, or at least as fluently as Ben does.
Last of Us was way too short to truly explore the good mechanics in it.
It also didn't give you any kind of choice (I wasn't expecting it to be like a Walking Dead game with constant plot-deciding choices but something closer to a Bethesda style game would be awesome).
Another thing that really sucked about the Last of Us is that you realise that simply sneaking past all the zombies without trying to kill them is always more effective than trying to stealthily take them out one by one or going Rambo on them. I wouldn't mind this so much, but sneaking past them without harming them was so easy that even on the hardest difficulty it didn't offer any reasonable challenge.
Yes but Tom~ I play games for the story. I can excuse things like that namely because I don't try and sneak past them. I prefer the loud and proud approach to zombitches~(Technically the infected but who's counting) and yes I will admit that it's a bit quick like the horse section. I'm kinda preying for a sequel. Just played the left behind story and...just wow. This whole game knocks me back.
Each to their own and I suppose what you gotta ask your self is did you enjoy it xP
I liked the story, but the gameplay made me want to freaking kill myself... Hated it. Best movie ever, but game, no.
Walking Dead is a way better game, Clementine is better than Ellie, Lee is better than Joel, on and on and on and on.
That's true, but for someone who loves the sneaky, efficient playstyle in games, the Last of Us was kind of a let down. One thing that I wish games would stop doing is having their 'oblivious walking patterns' where they just walk in the exact same circle all the time. If games introduced some unpredictability then it would be so much more fun and realistic.
i im one of the ones who thought the game play could have been a little better but it made a really good movie and the story was great !
The point of Yahtzee doing these reviews is simply to alleviate hype sickness that aggressive, triple-A titles generate. Brings people back down to earth to realize that very few things are perfect and that even fewer things in the game industry even qualify for the praise they get.
And you people generate revenue for the company that pays him because you love one thing and abhor the other.
"But them just getting away with it in the end seemed anti-climactic"
Yeah, about that...
Bioshock isn't about exploraion, it's about playr choice combat. Levin has stated time and time again that evrything beyond that is up for grabs. Myabe the next title will feature exploration, maybe it won't, oh well.
I like one thing about this game, and that is that it makes us empathize with a villain protagonist. And once you realize that (if you do), it gives you some food for thought and reflection.
If anything it humanizes its characters. Showing bad deeds =/= bad person automatically. Its called complexity.
@@EricToTheScionti and that all got thrown out of the window in the second game, or rather sucked into another room as the game seems to fumble up itself constantly to be more “cOmPlEx” and understandable, and just kills any originality and good standing it had
I think Yahtzee's definition of the term "Murder" is rather loose; there's a world of difference between taking an innocent life unprovoked or strictly for your own benefit and killing the demonstrably homicidal sociopaths currently in the process of violently attacking a twelve year old girl.
Granted, Joel's actions at the end of the game are selfish AT BEST, but if you're telling me that there is NOBODY on earth for whom you would even consider doing the same, even if only for a moment, then you are either full of shit or have gone your entire life without experiencing love.
And Joel isn't a modern day human living in a country developed enough to have internet access; he isn't an American from 2016 who has never been in a life threatening situation, experienced real loss, or come face to face with genuine cruelty.
Joel lives in the equivalent of a warzone, his species is going extinct and his first formative experience in the new world was his only child bleeding to death in his arms. It's a wonder that he's even still capable of empathy.
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him" - Fyodor Dostoevsky
I don't watch Yahtzees reviews for an opinion because that is my decision, I just watch them because they are hilarious XD I don't care if he bags out a good game or a game I like, he makes me laugh.
Don't forget the other thing about zombie apocalypses. They escalate *ridiculously* fast. And in The Last of Us, they just said, "Fuck it. Have a soldier shoot a little girl for the lulz." for the prologue alone. Even though _that_ shit doesn't happen until things get _really_ bad. And I'm talking nuclear holocaust bad. This is what the 1984 movie Threads got right. It was a slow burn
Welp, just finished the game for the first time. 100% percents on board with this review. I can't even bring myself to play the DLC now, lest be remembered about how much I would have liked this ending to be Spec Ops : the Line.
No Yahtzee, smoke bombs are not useless. As all the bandits who were so blinded they couldn't even struggle as I severed their necks will testify.
Last xmas my brother got me The Last Of Us (despite me already saying I had no interest in playing it). As it was a gift I felt obligated to play it all the way through to the end... and it was one of the most excruciating gaming experiences of my life. There were moments I was nearly in tears, wondering if the horrible game I was subjecting myself to would ever fucking end. How it ever got re-released is beyond me, high definition is not going to make the characters likable or make the gameplay fun
Yeah but Sony and Naughty Dog wanted the money. I feel your pain, I replayed the game a year ago and ended up hating it for several reasons. I have no idea why this is supposedly the best game ever and why anyone would want a sequel.
I know this comment is old as hell, but I finally got around to playing The Last Of Us recently and at this point I am mostly playing it out of some form of morbid curiosity. The gameplay is honestly terrible. The absurd amounts of human enemies you kill is absurd. The story, which was supposed to be so fantastic, is comprised of a few short cutscenes that's like a "zombie apocolypse bingo card". I would have liked this game a lot more if it was an indie game (so I had less expectations of the gameplay) and it was about 1/10th as long.
The ending scene with the companies on the deserted island was a really good touch,it was really done right.
I love the last of us, I also like zero punctuation, I like this video EVEN THOUGH it criticises the last of us. It was a funny video and it made valid points. Believe it or not but not all fans of the last of us can't take criticism. So whenever someone doesn't like something that shines a light on some of the last of us's flaws that doesn't mean they're just "fanboys" that can't take criticism. Look up a video called "Everything wrong with the Last of Us" it is a perfect example of a shit video that criticises the last of us and all of it's fans are paradoxically avoiding all criticism against the video and pinning it on butt hurt fan boys that they themselves hypocritically claim "can't take criticism".
What I'm saying is although to some the last of us is bullet proof and beyond any legitimate criticism, and I'm not saying this is not a problem. But equally to some all criticism of the last of us is also bullet proof and beyond legitimate criticism. Some times arguments against some things are flawed themselves. That's why people discuss things. No matter what side you're on putting your hands on your ears and saying "lalalalalala can't hear you!" is a bad thing.
Well said.
you sir, just won the internet, or would, if the internet wasn't full of butthurt fanboys and butthurt counter-fanboys
Blue_Pie_Ninja You think the internet is full of fanboys? FUCK YOU. The internet and everyone on it is awesome, and I will beat the shit off of anyone who says different.
^^^ not sure if troll, or legit internet fanboy
Blue_Pie_Ninja Neither, just a satirist.
Good to know I wasn't the only one who found The Last of Us's story predictable. It was a good game overall, but story wise I was calling every plot twist (can you really call them plot twists if you saw them coming?) I even accurately predicted the ending when I was only a quarter of the way thorough the game. I tell everyone I know this and they completely disagree with me.
But did you enjoy the story? If a story is told well enough, the predictable plot twists won't matter as much because the journey to get to the end will be worth it.
I honestly thought that Last of Us was both *predictable* and a bit *stale*. Personally, I like The Walking Dead's story better. No twists either, but the journey is both satisfying and heartbreaking.
The game I enjoyed, the story alone? No. I did love The Walking Dead story though for the same reasons you mentioned.
GuessWho7197 People think I'm weird for saying this, but I actually liked the gameplay of Last of Us. The atmosphere and "functional" combo of stealth+crafting was pretty good, if not groundbreaking.
*sigh* If only Joel was a likable or sympathetic character, then maybe I would've enjoyed the story. Even a little bit.
I think the way that the story is presented is more important than being "unpredictable".
I've always hated when people claim that a story is "predictable." That says absolutely fuck all. It has nothing to do with the quality of story if it's completely unpredictable. What if it ended with aliens abducting Joel and probing him to death? That would've been unpredictable, and fucking stupid.
It's so true, when is the gaming society going to move on from the 'zombie apocalypse' hype setting. It's been done more than an overcooked turkey being lit up with a flamethrower which harnesses the power of Godzilla's atomic breath.
I hated that zombies were in the Last of Us...though they were only in there like once.
That is on par with Yahtzee's own analogies.
***** The difference is not significant enough to matter, they are zombies.
***** But that's completely irrelevant. Yes, they're TECHNICALLY different, but from a gameplay perspective they are still just zombies (keeping in mind of course that you get fast as well as slow zombies depending on the premise). If they had just used fast zombies instead of plant monsters it wouldn't have had any impact on the game at all. The fact that they moan and cry and whimper has absolutely no impact and doesn't at all change the fact that from a gameplay perspective they are just zombies.
***** Well, I don't see how the infection could have lasted 20 years. Wouldn't they STARVE? Oh wait, they cant die of natural causes. Yep, zombies.
I always thought the "us" meant the last of our humanity
'Zombies are slightly more familiar a setting than the 1980s.'
Oh... how that comment has aged. Now I'm getting 1980s fatigue. Funny how Hollywood jams concepts into the ground with derivatives.
If people are really taking Yahtzee's (though valid) reviews seriously, they're missing the point.
Yahtzee is great but his reviews should be always taken with a spoon full of salt
I picked this game up about 6 months after it released and had 10/10s everywhere and I remember reaching the end thinking "thats it?" It's a well crafted good looking game but I found the story and gameplay to be dull.
+Allan Frankland God forbid he has an opinion or something. Go to hell.
True.
oh man, Sony will throw you into the depths of 7th layer of hell for having an opinion!!!!
yahtzee is forgiven for having a opinion that differs from the last of us hype wich sony fanboys keep annoying others with until motherfucking today...
This was my first Zero Punctuation, and my first introduction to Yahtzee, all those years ago. I’m sad to see it go. Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
When you realize most people calling it overrated haven't even played it.
Overrated doesn't automatically mean bad. The fact that people are praising an above average game as the second coming of christ smells of it being overrated to me.
Jackinthebox well that's your opinion, I think it's a masterpiece personally. I do hope you can respect my opinion unlike most of the children in this comments section.
Bill I Did Not Bang That Woman Clinton I have no problem with your opinion. A lot of the fanbase is calling the game perfect to a fanatic degree, which is why it's called overrated by a lot of people. You can like what you want, really.
Bill I Did Not Bang That Woman Clinton Played it and it was so boring, made it halfway and just could get myself to finish it. What really surprised me the most is the fact that I didn't even get the game that was advertised. The ai sucked and didn't react to their surrounding like they showed in E3.
XmarcX92 AI was fine for me