How the Book of Mormon's Complexity Shows its Authenticity
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Love this, thanku
Thank you for this.
Clear speech, robust presentation, and meaningful message. Thank you for sharing. In God we trust.
Oh, if we could only teach all of our youth and members in general to speak as slow, clearly, and smooth as this young sister!😊
Rebecca did amazing. One of the best presentations that I have heard.
I have a testimony of The Book of Mormon that continues to grow every time I open its pages. ❤ 📖 ❤
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The I will suggest you read it instead of just opening it - So many flaws and non factual claims
How did you come to that conclusion? What lies?
Every time I read the Book of Mormon along with the King James Bible, I am baffled at just how complex it is and Im ever learning new things. Took me 10x longer to read Alma this time, just to try and chart out the cities and battles and story line. No way an unlearned man could compose this out of order and in such a short time ...not to mention the witnesses who fell away but still stayed firm in their testimonies.
Its very worth noting the book of mormon was written in 6 weeks. In alma 43 it talks about how Moroni equipped his army with defensive, padded armor. While it seems that metal would be a more effective means of armor its actually been proven recently that padded armor is actually quite effective at stopping swords. However I doubt Joseph was an expert in medieval style combat.
Even with all this evidence it’s still not enough to convince people or get them to care. It can only be through the Holy Spirit that we are convinced of it’s divine origin
This was a good video! I also find it fascinating that Joseph Smith just carried on right where he left off without first seeing where he left off. I love writing and I can say that sounds completely impossible, especially for something so complex as The Book of Mormon.
This is a fabulous video! Both concise and informative. Thank you!
Ultimately, we know the Book of Mormon came from God because of a witness from the Holy Ghost. However, it is really nice to see all this evidence that supports that testimony. Thanks!
That's something that I've come to learn personally. It doesn't matter all the evidential support it has, the Holy Ghost is the only one that does the convincing in the end. People are surprisingly hard-hearted or receptive to the Holy Ghost and needing little premise.
Yes!
Glad you brought up the fact that it was dictated (not written) in around 65 working days. That’s one of the craziest parts to me. Joseph also apparently never asked for recaps from his scribes after taking long breaks, and would start back up at the very word that was next in the translation.
Love this video!!! Great job!!!
It's crazy to me that people overlook all of the complexity of the book and choose to get stuck on horses. Like come on people, it's not like dragons disqualify the Bible
All the various things work together to create a rich tapestry of evidences that can be used to support belief.
It's a whole lot more than horses I'm stuck on, JBrinx18!
There's a lot more to get stuck on than just horses 👀 elephants? honey bees? chariots? written egyptian language? jewish heritage of native americans? metalworking/iron? swords? pre-christian baptism? pre-protestant baptism by immersion in the name of Jesus Christ? the greek word for Messiah (Christ) being used before the greeks learned about Jesus? massive large-scale battles with thousands of deaths? No Jewish traditions like Passover? No turkeys or cocoa beans (but sure, barley was around)? And that's just scratching the surface.
also what about all the stuff that's missing from the "fullness of the gospel"? No Melchizedek priesthood? No three degrees of glory? No temple ceremony? No sealing power/ordinance? No "presidency"? No bishops/priests/deacons/teachers?
Do you overlook “The sealed Book of Mormon”? Google its pdf, and ponder it.
Ummm so we give 1 absurdity a pass so we have to give a pass to other absurdities? Great logic there, champ
Thank you ❤
Great presentation! Love all the info. I hope people realize that all this information isn’t enough to convince of the BOM. The moment someone’s heart is pricked by the spirit, then they know, without all of this info.
Very true! Only the testimony of the spirit ultimately matters.
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I love this video and appreciate the people who worked on it.
Personally I don't need evidence to prove that The Book of Mormon is true. I feel it deep inside. I feel it deep in my bosom. Go with your feelings. Who cares what anyone says, it's what you feel inside that counts.
Ha Ha, I don't think many of the viewers here will see your sarcasm!
truth is not baed on feeling it based on the word of god the bible you have to test all things based on it
It also includes plagirized sections of the new testimate.
that true smith wrotes his own inspired version
Joseph Smith never plagiarized. Any honest investigation confirms this.
Great presentation. I already knew rather a lot of it, but this presentation combines these elements into a persuasive argument. Let's see some other country farm boy do this in 2 months.
Amen to that! I love the Book of Mormon and how it has brought me closer to my Savior Jesus Christ. It is a marvelous work and a wonder!
Amazing
I do love a good Chiasmus.
The Narrator does a great job!!! Good illustrations too!
The writers must be
Pleased with your findings & testimonies!
Absolutely amazing presentation. Thank you.
Another fantastic video! Thank you!
Thank u so much. I love the BOOK OF MORMON, From the Philippines.
Very cool 😎
For me, the most amazing thing is the book being written in 65 working days (dispersed through months). Joseph had no literature support or time to create something of his own mind. Imagine you dictating a book with over 500 pages in this short amount of time. Seems quite impressive.
I recommend the Book of Mormon for its messages
I love the visuals, charts, and helpful illustrations in this video! Is there a place on the website we can find them for our own personal study?
Excellent presentation. Thank you!
This is excellent. Thank you guys 😊
The BOM changed my life for the better!
This video doesn't teach me that the Book of Mormon is true. I prayed and received a testimony and firm belief that it is true from reading, pondering, and praying if it was truly the word of God. I received an answer through the Holy Ghost that this Book is from God. This video helps show some solid points and things to consider. But if you REALLY want to know. Ask God. He will answer you if you take the time to try Him. Thanks for this video and bringing those points up!
The presentation is designed to dispel the notion that any country farm boy could write such a thing in 60 days (or 600 or whatever).
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This is superb! Beautiful voice
With the New Testament of the Bible, we have many thousand copies of the original text in the original language so we may translate the word of God into many languages. Do we have access to the original text of the book of Mormon, or even a copy of the original untranslated text?
Thank you Rebecca for sharing this. What an amazing content on the authenticity of the Book of Mormon.
The location of the Book of Mormon events is very MUCH debated.
yes the location is but the geographical features mentioned are consistent with each other.
a friend told me he wouldn't read the BOM because he figured that he would come to the same conclusion that all the other "rationally minded" people come to that read it. He didn't know that accepting it is the only rational conclusion.
"rationally minded" - yeah, what a shame :P
It is said that Joseph Smith plagiarized from the Bible. Yes, there are quite a few verses that you could say come from the Bible, but I find it fascinating that the verses taken from Isaiah talk about the mission of Christ, the Restoration, and the end times. When you realize the Book of Mormon was written for us in our day and that it is a second witness of Christ, it all makes sense why those verses are in there. It is another complexity to the book because Joseph would have had to tie all those scriptures into a complex narrative. Above all, a confirmation from the Holy Spirit is the way to truly know the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. At the end of the day, we all have to live by Faith, but as Alma 32 teaches, you can know by the fruits that the book is of God.
Not just plagiarized the Bible, but plagiarized the 1769 King James Version of the Bible, of which JS owned a copy. How do we know it was the 1769 version? Because that version contained errors and those errors were copied word for word into the Book of Mormon by JS. So much for being inspired by The Holy Spirit.
@musketeerflyer Christ, Paul, and others shared from the scriptures in their writings. I have no issue with what is included in the Book of Mormon. You miss the point of my comment that to be able to intertwine scriptures into an already very complex narrative is impressive. I have read the Book of Mormon as well as the Old and New Testaments dozens of times, and I have prayed for a witness and received that witness as described in Moroni 10. The Book of Mormon isn't on trial, we are on trial.
The problem is that the parts of Isaiah that are in the Book of Mormon were written AFTER Lehis family left Jerusalem with the Brass plates . Thats just some of the several hundred anachronisms that are in the Book of Mormon.
You see in the Holy Bible the words of Isaiah and you see in the Book of Mormon the words of Isaiah and
there are differences. I guess people could say Joseph made the differences. I don't think he did. So what
about what the Book of Mormon says about Jesus Christ? Is that in error? Reads to me like they agree with
each other.
Lehi had the scriptures with his family, consequently Nephi could read from Isaiah to his people.
Excellent Video. Critics often exaggerate aspects of the Book of Mormon such as repetition and anachronisms, which do exist. It is still curious that no Book of Mormon site has been established. Contrast this with the Bible where we can set numerous events in modern geology. Also the claim of 65 days to produce the BOM ignores D&C 5:30, which speaks of translating before the arrival of Oliver Cowdery. thanks for a fine presentation.
Great video on the Book of Mormon
Thank you for reminding us that God is in the Details!
I love this! The best book ever written.
no that would be the bible not the bom
@geoffreypalmer2661 Yeah the queens palace makes me really mad too. I've never been inside, never touched it, I don't know anything about it but it sure angers me. I'm offended that thing exists
@@geoffreypalmer2661 they can both be the best. Would you say that the New Testament is better than the Old Testament? I love both the Bible and the Book of Mormon; they both testify of the divinity of Christ and increase one's faith in Him.
Amen
Great! information for members and investigating folks as well!!
WOW! That was amazing.
Really great concise summary of so many additional witnesses and evidences that confirmed that the book of Mormon is what it claims to be. Thank you for publishing this video! ❤
Actually if witnesses are important to you, you should be a Strangite. In every way their witnesses were better. They weren't all related, they actually signed their witness statement, they went to dig up their plates and confirmed the ground wasn't messed with before hand, and they all saw the plates with their physical eyes. Your witnesses only saw it in their imaginations.
Also if witnesses meant everything was true, then you need to definitely believe in Big Foot/Yeti/Aliens/Ghosts etc.
Anecdotes and testimonials are what you are stuck with when there is no evidence to support your position. If you had ANY evidence you wouldn't be resorting to something so unreliable. Only a truly gullible person would believe something supernatural was true, just because someone said so.
@@phillipmatheison6621 For me, they’re helpful supplements and re-affirmations. Thanks for the tip!
Where are the Strangite witness statements? Is this something legit because someone said so.?
Very well presented and great content.
I love The Book of Mormon. Why? Because it’s the word of God.
Doing away with Kwaku eh? Love the video still
I read The Book of Mormon twice the year I joined The Church in 1975. Amazingly, I noticed I was smarter.
It appears to be a short simply written book. Not so. Knowledge is layered into The Book of Mormon and revealed through the Holy Ghost, over and over. WOW.
That little book is a powerhouse. Thank you Jesus for your book and your church. In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
Accepting the Book of Mormon for what it claims to be, I appreciate the hard work that Mormon had to go through: compiling all the sources from a thousand years of history (in the process no doubt having to deal with language change), writing a sacred history based on those sources in a coherent way. When I think of the nostalgia and longing that must have pierced his soul as he chronicled his people's bygone golden age hundreds of years before, his choices of words and his perspective (like his fixation on the salvation of the souls of all those who died in battle) make more sense; it makes the whole thing much more meaningful and poignant.
What is an example of a fulfilled prophecy?
Incredible !! What a testimony of the book!! Love this !!!!! The Book of Mormon is true and the church is true, it the people and leadership that sometimes are flawed , but who isn’t .
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Thank you 🙏😊❤️
Why did you read them?
It's far more complicated than that... I personally have found, so far:
2,419+ instances of the doctrine of Jesus Christ, including each principle of (faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, keeping the commandments (baptism), and the Holy Ghost (confirmation).
and so much more.
The spiritual complexity of the Book of Mormon is far greater than the secular complexity, though the latter is still impressive.
Change it's to its in the title of the video.
Thanks! 😅
Thank you for sharing this information with everyone 😊 ❤ 2:32
This is why we need more debates. Just another echo chamber that’s missing SO MUCH CONTEXT. I accuse both sides of it and this fear apologists have of open debate holds back fascinating discussions that could be happening but instead we get this stuff.
By faith and by fact, The Book of Mormon is the word of God!
there are no facts only made up stories
😊 I KNOW
THE BOOK OF MORMON
❤ IS TRUE
No..... you belive it - You have no proof but a feeling.
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Over 150 named locations, but leaders steer clear from naming the exact location. Why??
Because the Lord has not seen fit to reveal the exact locations of the Book of Mormon places, so the leaders cannot say definitively where any of the named locations in the Book of Mormon correspond to in the present day. Aside from Jerusalem of course.
As opposed to the Old and New Testament that have hundreds of locations that we know exactly where they are today… Hebron, Bethlehem, Nazareth, Capernaum, Mount Nebo, Corinth, Dead Sea, Jordan river, Sea of Galilee, Mediterranean, Rome, Athens, Ephesus, Cypress, Patmos, Lesbos, Thessalonica, Berea… Well, you get the picture. No comparison. Is it not possible Joseph Smith made up the whole thing like JR Tolkien or CS Lewis in Narnia? They were gifted writers, telling complex stories with characters and name places. Seems like a much more plausible answer to me.
By the way, in older posts I noticed that there are only favorable comments. Do you delete or report comments that oppose your point of you? Or can you handle genuine critique?
We learn from this book that the holy one of Israel is the keeper of the gate and employs no servant there. He is and will be the first person we see going through the vale. All things are done in the wisdom of Him who knows all things.
noncense their is nothing to be learned from this book
The argument being made here is that if the BOM shows marks of complexity, then it is inspired of God. This does not necessarily follow because there are many books that are complex, but they are not inspired of God. I am actually in agreement that the Book of Mormon is complex in some ways (having read through it several times). The assumption is made that Smith, an uneducated man, did not make this. And I am in agreement with that assumption that Smiith is not solely responsible, but actually the BOM is based on Manuscript Found by Solomon Spalding (which is no longer extant), but we do have his first manuscript - Manuscript Story - to compare the BOM. It is interesting she mentioned lots of invented character names which is also what Manuscript Story does which has also some root names that will be used to make up other names. The reason it is complex is because Spalding spent several years (probably from the Spring of 1812 to sometime in 1816). That is four years, my friends. But you also have the transformation of it along the way by Sidney Rigdon from 1816 to 1829, especially in regards to the loss of the 116 pages in June of 1828 in adding the theological/religious parts to the BOM. You still have to account for why so many changes to the BOM after the 1830 edition. There is much more to say, but soon I will be releasing a new set of videos updated. You can go ahead and watch the former series now, but I wanted to add more research and information discovered - “Where Did The Book of Mormon Come From?” (Revised Series) on my TH-cam channel. I just desire for people to come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim. 2:4)..
Well that's what you believe. I don't.
And we've heard that Spalding story before and Ethan Smith's book too. Not really certain.
@@stanleyhall8951 have you actually studied the historical evidence that it is the inference to the best explanation of how the BOM originated? I already put up the link to my series of videos you can watch. But we will be releasing an updated series I hope in several weeks.
Many books that are complex, but are not inspired by God. Agreed. This book .....Book of Mormon is inspired
by God. It writes of Jesus in a positive way, a helpful way, therefore to me it is inspired.
Cool. Will these videos be on You Tube? If so I will try to watch for them. Thanks.
"There is a power in the book of which will begin to flow into our lives the moment you begin a serious study of the book. You will find greater power to resist temptation. You will find the power to avoid deception. You will find the power to stay on the strait and narrow path."
--Ezra Taft Benson
If you read the statement, "God will help you resist sin if you ask him," then you will find some power in that statement to do so. It doesn't prove the accuracy of the book.
There must be an objective way to do that.
It was that message that inspired to do a sincere study of The Book of Mormon in order to test it out. I felt the Spirit testify to me of Christ in that book. My faith grew in Him and I gained power to resist temptation. I felt the love of God and it inspired me to continue learning of Him by studying the Bible as well. I love those God-inspired books.
@@kseismoloj But if you say that you did a sincere study of the BoM and felt the Spirit testify, then you didn't do a sincere study at all. You chose to follow your emotions. That is the point of what I was trying to say. Someone really smart once said, "we don't hold to our beliefs because of evidence. We hold to them because of desire." If you went into the BoM hoping to find its truth then that is likely what you will find because its what you want to find.
To prove this point, everybody in every religion feel like the truth of their religion is confirmed by the peace they feel about it. People don't believe things that they don't feel good about. So, I'm not saying you shouldn't feel peace about your beliefs but saying you did a sincere study but offered up your reason for belief as an emotional feeling of some kind of confirmation just means you didn't do a sincere study at all.
So what have you seen in the Book of Mormon that is unethical? Lots of things? Some things? The whole
thing? I'd be curious to know.
@@stanleyhall8951 I don't see anyone saying about unethical things in the BoM. Who is this question directed at?
Thank you for this presentation, very interesting. Definitely it is the work of God not of man. God was far more concerned about Joseph correctly translating the book than his understanding of all you have explained here. I love the book!
And all complex things are true, duh.
True, every word. The Book of Mormon, I mean, and this video too.
Your own video says there are over 150 named locations and 600 passages of geographic references and the “completely fictional map” that your video shows. All of the details with zero proof, in the “Americas” at least. Why?
This book sounds like a Dungeons and Dragons series or Lord of the Rings.
Perhaps you should read it. With an open mind. Or just out of curiosity.
thats because its a fictional made up story
The Book of Mormon cannot be dismissed. It was either dictated directly by the devil or is an inspired translation of God's word to His prophets. It's complexity will allow for nothing in between.
Since the devil would never testify of Christ in this manner, there is but one conclusion. IT IS THE WORD OF GOD.
How do you know if "...the devil would never testify of Christ in this manner"? Just a gut feeling? Your entire premise is deeply flawed...
Yes the person could restate his statement. However I believe it is the Word of God. Translated by the Gift
and Power of God. By faith really.
Denying that God and Jesus are one and that satan is Jesus spirit brother is exactly a lie the devil would say
Please tell all of us exactly where the events of the Book of Mormon actually took place “in the Americas” with proof to back it up.
With all of the details in this book, why can’t we visit any of these sites in the Americas that took place. I’m challenging you to answer this!
if the book of Mormon were true, why isn't it studied as a textbook on Mesoamerican history and culture? Even at BYU (the lord's school!), they don't use it this way!
Same reason that Bible isn’t used as the authoritative history of the planet. We believe it’s inspired but its purpose is not to convey history and to detail geography.
The locations in the Book of Mormon have not been revealed, and so are simply a matter of speculation. Some have made compelling arguments that most of what was written took place in and around modern day Guatemala (See the Sorenson model), but it is still just speculation. The Book of Mormon mentions that their buildings were mostly made out of wood, and if so, they would not have survived to the present day. If you find a pottery fragement in some archaeological dig, you have no way of knowing whether it was Nephite pottery or Lamanite pottery. The names would not have survived to the present day, because we have absolutely no way of knowing how the languages of that time period were pronounced. The written language we see today from that era on stone inscriptions was a logographic language, which does not convey information on pronunciation.
As far as Old World locations, there are several evidences which can be visited today. For example the Valley of Lemuel/River of Laman mentioned during Lehi's travels in the wilderness corresponds very well to the modern day location of Wadi Tayyib al-Ism. Another location is Nahom, a site mentioned in the Book of Mormon in the Arabian peninsula. The location where it is mentioned in the Book of Mormon corresponds to an altar dated to around 600 BC (the time of Lehi's travels) that was found in recent years that has the inscription "Nhm", which could very well refer to the Nahom mentioned in the Book of Mormon.
However, it is not necessary to know exactly where the events of the Book of Mormon took place in order to have a testimony that it is true.
@@michaelbennett7561 so out of 1000+ years of alleged BOM people's history, and there are 3 hits? Now how many positive matches do we have just for the 50 year span that the middle section of Isaiah covers?
You are grasping at straws and ignoring the big picture
Thomas wouldn't believe unless he personally saw Jesus, while others had the faith to believe.
"Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
All your evidences are only found by reading and studying the Book of Mormon. This unfortunately, is usually well beyond the scope of critics and anti-Mormons. The book's complexity is completely irrelevant to anyone other than those who are already engaged in reading and studying it. Complexity only serves to reinforce an existing testimony. Still a very good point but perhaps a bit pointless nonetheless. .
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The power of the Book of Mormon is in its powerful witness of Christ and its ability to strengthen your faith in Christ and not necessarily in trying to prove its authenticity necessarily.
Did you ever wonder why Jesus appeared in Israel and 'The Americas', but not Africa, Asia, Australia or the Pacific nations?
No….he probably did. We just don’t have the records ..::yet
he didnt appear in the americas
@@geoffreypalmer2661 oh ok…. I bow down to you since you are all knowing on Jesus comings and going’s and you knew exactly who the “other sheep” were…
i know the bible does not mention jesus visting north amaerica so it is fiction created by joseph smith@@6barbers
Why do you feel you need to prove it's authenticity?
Because others will say that it isn't authentic. There are 11 witnesses who saw the plates and put their names in the front of the book testifying to that fact.
@@mmd195401 So what do you think about the fact that when someone like me shows evidence that is contrary, that that post is deleted within seconds? Wouldn't the truth prevail, if you really had the truth? Why be so afraid of an opposing point of view. That is why the Bible has withstood 2,000 years of criticism, because it is the TRUTH! Not so with the Book of Mormon. OK, now watch, this will be deleted within minutes if not seconds
Jesus is God. The TRINITY is God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit. Done !
Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon by the gift and power of God. It is holy scripture like the Bible.
We must vet the "revelations" by the revelations that came before. So the New Testament is vetted by the Old Testament. If the BoM or the Quran or whatever, claims to be a new revelation then it must be tested by those two books of revelation that came before, or it needs to call itself a new religion altogether.
When we compare Joe's theology with the previous scripture we find that Joe and the current church teaches the ambition of Lucifer and for that reason alone we know that the BoM is of the devil and meant to deceive.
no its not god had nothing to do with the book of mormon
A marvelous work and a wonder anyone believes it 😂
Too bad it does not have consistency with the Bible, God’s revelation to man :/
e.g. John teaches salvation through belief that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, Romans then elaborating on the grace wherewith a man is saved, not through his own actions, but by God’s election.
An amazing analysis.
Thank you, we needed this. In the cacophony of typical anti-Church blogs and hysteria, it's sometimes hard to keep a stiff upper lip and press on. Would love to hear more of your analyses. Thank you.
Arh - The anti-church argument.
What about people just being hurt about hidding factual information and changing the history in a manner that it isn't true any more?
this just isn't true. Joseph Smith misinterpreted "The Book of Abraham"... among many other major problems being directly contradicting Isaiah 43:10 and 44:6 and Ephesians 2:8-9. Just to name a few. Jesus wasn't created, but instead all things were created through Him Colossians 1:16-17 (including Satan, so they weren't brothers)
“I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.”
Revelation 22:18-21
Well then you have been warned, do not add to the Book of Revelation !
Revelations 1:11 I am alpha and omega, the first and the last: and, what thou seest, WRITE IN A BOOK, and sent IT to the seven churches. The bible a collection of different books. So the scripture you put about not adding to the book is the book of revelation. Not the bible. The Bible we have didn’t exist when the book of revelation was written. Book of Mormon isn’t adding to the book of revelation. It’s a different collection of books
@@brakstonmorgan8473 "Book of Mormon isn’t adding to the book of revelation"
I suspect most people blurting out that particular verse is hoping YOU don't know these important details. Deuteronomy, if I remember right, has the same warning. Nothing after Deuteronomy is "legit" :-)
“All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,”
2 Timothy 3:16
@@ConnorMOable "All Scripture is breathed out by God"
Yes. Now all you need is to confirm that the words on a page (or computer screen) are *exactly) what God breathed.
Beautifully presented. If people are sincere the witness of the Holy Ghost will testify of its authenticity. We have flat earth societies today despite the overwhelming evidence available. Let those with eyes to see , see. Thanks for sharing 👏👌
Agreed. William Kidd was an excellent author.
Because of Comoros Islands and Moroni often spelt morone?
Keep digging. You’ll find it.
I've read every Captain kidd I can get my hands on took me about 8 hours from start to finish. As the books didn't spell it out, can you?
Why did you read them??
I wanted to read for myself (listen because some were audio) . A first-hand account is far better than a third. I have been unable to find the name of moroni or cumourah anywhere.
First of all, I don’t understand why you haven’t responded to my questions unless you know I’m right.
Second of all, at the end of your video, you state” The first draft is a final draft of the Book of Mormon”. That is a lie! The Book of Mormon has been edited appropriately 4,000 times from 1830-1964 and beyond! This is your video, defend it.
There are many minor edits which have been made since the Book of Mormon was first published, mostly grammar and punctuation. All the arguments relating to the complexity of the Book of Mormon are equally valid whether applied to the first edition or to subsequent editions when minor changes were made to clean up some of the spelling errors and whatnot.
So I suppose since Harry Potter is so complex that proves it’s also authentic and true?
Which book is more important? Book of Morman or the Bible?
Most LDS members will say the BOM because they add this clause to the Bible “so long as it is translated correctly.”
For the Bible we had original manuscripts and documents texts dating back to the time of the Apostles which is what the KJV of the Bible is written from in the 1600’s which the LDS church still uses. The KJV is a word for word translation of the Bible with old English vernacular. In the 1946-1956 a little boy discovered over 6000+ manuscripts and documents of the original Bible text pristinely preserved in clay pots in a cave (known as the Dead Sea Scrolls). There where many duplicate versions of texts. When translated this gave us modern word for word translation like ESV, NASB, NKJV which when read next to the old KJV you will find they are fairly similar to the old KJV except in modern English. And you can even go and see the original Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) with many good resources online.
With millions of copies of the Bible sold in many languages worldwide we have the most accurate and most reliable book to ever exist, which would be impossible for someone to change something in the Bible. The Bible is the Word of God.
In the Bible we have the original genealogy of man all the way to Jesus proving to us that he fulfilled prophecy. From Adam to King David to Jesus. Then the Bible has the birth of Jesus which fulfills Old Testament prophecy. The the Bible has Jesus’s entire ministry while he was alive. Again fulfilling Old Testament prophecy. Then the Bible has his crucifixion his death and his resurrection which fulfills Old Testament prophecy. Then the Bible also has the Acts of the Apostles which shows us how the church is to function. Then all the Epistles show the church how to be Christians. All of that is in the Bible.
Without the Bible we would not know who Jesus is and what prophecy he fulfilled.
And LDS members will say but the BOM is “Another Testimony of Jesus.” To that I ask why does Jesus need a second testimony?
John 8 : 18 - I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
And what about the BOM being another testimony of Jesus?
Galatians 1 : 8 - But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1 : 9 - As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
And what about the Apostacy?
2 Thessalonians 2 : 7 - For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2 : 8 - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
The moment the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth the AntiChrist will show up and Tribulation would start. The Holy Spirit that is inside of believers is what restrains the AntiChrist spirit from coming into the earth. The moment the Holy Spirit is removed from Earth (rapture) that would trigger the appearance of the AntiChrist and begin Tribulation. Neither has happen so that means that the Holy Spirit was never removed from the earth.
Please read the Bible. Especially the New Testament and the Epistles which go over these things.
Ask yourself this: What benefit is it to God to make the Bible of lesser importance than another book? Now what benefit is it to the devil to make the Bible of less importance than another book?
Can you read any of the original manuscripts of the BOM today?
So why “so long as it is translated correctly” about the Bible. If the Bible is not translated correctly from many original transcripts then how is the BOM translated correctly which has no original transcripts?
If the Bible isn’t translated correctly why doesn’t the LDS church use the original Dead Sea scrolls to make their own correct translation of the Bible? Or is it easier to dismiss the Bible as lesser importance than the BOM? Yet without the Bible we wouldn’t know the prophecy that Jesus fulfilled with his birth, his death, and his resurrection.
So how do we get to heaven? Do I need to become LDS or Catholic or Baptist or Pentecostal or Jewish or neither?
Let’s see what Jesus said. The one person who never lies.
John 14 : 6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
No matter what church you are a member of you must know Jesus intimately. You can be a member of the LDS church or the Catholic Church or Baptist or Pentecostal or Methodist or Lutheran and Not know Jesus.
Matthew 25 the 10 bridesmaids. All 10 knew who Jesus was but only 5 were wise and had their lamps (earthen vessels) full of the oil which is the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2 : 4 - And they were all FILLED with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Mark 16 : 17 - And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mark 16 : 18 - They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
We don’t believe the Bible to be less important than the Book of Mormon. It’s a second witness of Christ.
The dates and the integrity of the two don't have much to do with which record we believe to be more important. Personally, I'm inspired more and brought closer to God by studying the Book of Mormon, but I don't feel like it's a competition, any more than trying to choose the "more important" gospel in the New Testament.
Let's say, a record was uncovered in another country, it had the Gospel of Jesus Christ for those people, and gave witness to the Savior walking amongst them and blessing and healing them, and was dated by archeologists and scientists to be between 3,000 to 1,500 years old, and irrefutable archeological discoveries were being made in that country that directly supported that record.
What record would be of more importance? The Bible or that record? None, they would be equal, why would one ancient record of the Gospel be of more importance then the other?!!
@whereare.. since you are so smart, which version of the Bible do you think is correct and why? It's all your interpretation of scripture. I choose to follow modern day prophets. You can choose to believe the way you believe. Anyone can quote scripture to fit their narrative. The church of Jesus Christ is not based on the Bible, it is based on what the Bible is based on. Revelation through prophets.
I see several lies you have portrayed that I will disprove (I doubt you will agree since you are spiritually blinded by your hatred).
First lie: We do not have the original manuscripts from the bible, in fact, the oldest manuscripts we have is from the 2nd century A.D.The Dead Sea Scrolls are even younger at a 4th Century A.D. age. The Dead Sea Scrolls have not been pristinely preserved, they are fragile because of having oxygen in the containers. If you actually looked at the Dead Sea Scrolls they look ancient.
About the Apostasy: Old Testament prophets predicted an apostasy (see Isaiah 24:5-6; Amos 8:11-12).
New Testament prophets warned that mankind would turn away from the gospel (see Acts 20:29-30; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4; 2 Timothy 4:3-4; 2 Peter 2:1-3).
Early Apostles warned of growing apostasy within the Church (see Galatians 1:6-8; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 1:10-12; 11:18-19; 2 Timothy 1:15; Revelation 3:14-16).
The Apostasy is very real according to the authors of The Bible.
You are all over the place, with no apparent thought or concise wording.
It is true that Salvation only comes through Jesus Christ and is a free gift from him, but who do you trust for the correct teachings? Can you gain Salvation from someone who isn't authorized to speak for God or has no authority from God? No, these are dead works (Hebrews 6:1, Moroni 8:23, D&C 22:3). Salvation from Jesus Christ only can be achieved through his authorized voices on earth, and according to Amos 3:7, his servants have and are and always will be Prophets.
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“For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, “This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased”- and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
2 Peter 1:16-21
That’s cool and all, but why does it contradict the teachings of Jesus, Paul, John, and a host of other original inspired authors of the Bible?
And then there's all the archeological eviden... Oh, wait.
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I'm sure you'll delete this comment too, but the book is on its 18th edition. If you're going to argue based on literary characteristics, you should deal with the original text-the one that has trinitarian theology. (One of the MAJOR edits you say doesn't exist).
Yeah they are deleting all my comments as well. Its almost like they are denying their viewers informed consent.
This is not a proof...several times the Bible says nothing will be added and even if an angel comes to give revelation, don't believe it. Complex does not prove truth.
If you read carefully that angel is talking specifically about the book of revelation. The Bible is a collection of books. No one should add to the book of revelation which the BOM does not do
To a writer who outlines their work, these things aren’t all that miraculous. There are over 2,000 named characters in the game of thrones books, a money system, different religions, a magic (priesthood) system, and different distinct writing styles from different viewpoint characters…and George RR Martin isn’t even an outline writer. That doesn’t mean it’s real, and it doesn’t make the Book of Mormon real either.
It’s either real, or it isn’t…and you aren’t going to come to that conclusion with “proof”, you’ll come to that conclusion spiritually or not at all.
We aren’t claiming that because a book is complex it must be true. However, given the book of Mormon’s complexity, one simply cannot attribute its authorship to J.S. A quick glance at any other of J.S. writings during the time the BOM was translated immediately debunks the theory of his authorship. You also have 15+ witnesses who saw him translate. It doesn’t mean it’s a slam dunk case that it’s true, it just means that given its complexity, the theory of its origin has to be more than JS made it up. You have to account for the damn book. All of the third party authorship theories have also been debunked over time. They also all deny the testimony of the 15+ formal and informal witnesses. Then you’ve got tens of millions claiming it has changed their lives for the better. Its origin isn’t as simple as you may think. But it takes a little digging and searching to understand.
People who dabble in witchcraft are able to come up with impressive stories no doubt.
@@benjaminmckay8567 I think you are mistaking my criticism of this approach with criticism of Joseph or the Book of Mormon.
I’m saying that none of it contributes to proving or suggesting it’s true. There are lots of books that change lives for the better doesn’t mean it’s scripture. And all these ancillary things likes names, places, poetry, etc are interesting and are worth looking at from a study perspective. I’m saying that there are lots of books that share those things and they are not scripture. As interesting as those things are and how much they contribute to a study of the Book of Mormon, it’s not going to change someone’s mind or give them a testimony. It’s a spiritual book and the testimony will only come through spiritual means.
Did the 15 witnesses sit down and hear about how there’s x number of names and writing styles and go…you know what that proves it! …no it was a spiritual witness and spiritual conversion for every single one of them. I have a testimony of the Book of Mormon, and it didn’t come through tidbits and factoids.
I will love to hear why a black apostle or apostles have not been called by God yet?
Might need to ask God
I am sure that will happen in time when that person or those people will be prepared by the Lord.
it will happen when the lord calls that person .
Give it like 5 years, If my hunch is right I know who the next apostle will be
@mattmanncan 😂😂😂
That's the best joke I've heard today. According to the Book of Mormon, we're a dark and loathsome people and dark skin is a curse.