Muay Thai Vs. Jiu Jitsu - joe rogan and jocko willink
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- Joe and Jocko discuss the differences between Jujutsu and muay thai, and the advantages of grappling.
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Real Muay thai fighters have awesome standing grappling . They will control ,throw and sweep your legs . The only thing a skilled Thai fighter needs to learn is ground fighting and then all the lower weight classes of mma would be rule by thai dudes
Thai grappling doesn't work because most of the center of gravity is on the upper body. As soon as a person with a wrestler's stance went against a thaiboxer, sweeps would stop working. The same goes for Thai clinch.
@@janl4062 Thai clinch in Thailand often looks pretty similar to Greco wrestling (underhooks, overhooks, body locks, etc.), which is a major component of freestyle. They might be missing the element of leg grabs, but there is a huge amount of overlap between Thai grappling and western wrestling except with the added element of elbow and knee strikes. People call the double collar tie "Thai clinch," but you very rarely see it used in Thailand unless there is a big skill/size disparity.
@@janl4062 That's why I said they need ground work
Rafael fiziev just got sauced up by Justin gaethje
@klaus6058 That was a good fight but Fiziev is not Thai and not close to the likes of Saenchai, Samart Payakaroon ect. He really isn't even close to other great muay thai foriengers like Ramon Dekkers or Dany Bill. If he had a couple hundred more muay Thai fights then maybe.
Joe's a huge UFC fan. How awesome for him to be able to travel to see every UFC fight, everytime.
why I dont know... I have no idea why he's so big with his podcast or why hes even ufc commentator
@@playthroughcinema you must have no intelligence or awareness to understand why.
He goes to PPVs, not all the fights.
@@playthroughcinema are you serious? You’re either truly ignorant or a dumbass.
@@playthroughcinema Because he is enthusiastic, has charisma and it an accessible personality
“Jocko is being biased towards grappling”
0:50 - Jocko literally says grappling is not a guarantee against striking
Jijutsu fighter that knows muay thai is a deadly combination
Isn't that Oliveira?
I've been training BJJ for a while, I can't wait to start muay thai during the summer.
@@KanyeWestLyricalGeniusThat’s my plan as well
@@KanyeWestLyricalGenius Wouldn’t you have to do BJJ as well as Muay Thai to retain your skill you learned?
I've seen way too many grappler mistake their, "if you get that close to me I can grab you and take you down" and wind up getting their skull beat in by the right or left hand of a striker while they are tryimg just that.
In my experience, the striking guys have been way more arrogant than the bjj guys lol.. some strikers think they're gods at fighting only to be taken down and submitted by a 17 year old two stripe white belt
Their*🤦♂️
@Brian O'Neil in 42 yeaes of grappling from wrestling to Judo to Samba and Muay Thai, I dont know a lot of strikers who are actually GOOD that ignore the skills of a grappler. Your c-team arrogant assholes deserve to be submitted but a competent grappler who isn't afraid to keep their head on their shoulders will be a very dangerous opponent on the Street and on the open mat every time. They could go either way. Get destroyed by an unskilled fighter or get clipped by a highly skilled or visa:versa
@@judowrestlerka i didn't know Samba the dance is a wrestling art
@@pycckieBnepegif you actually know martial arts, you'd know what style he meant, sweetie
You need to work both if you want a true self defense experience
no. you need to work more on boxing and wrestling. out of the "big 4", muay thai and bjj are the least affective.
@@Teddy-se8qb i agree with wrestling instead of bjj for self defense, but idk what are you smoking about muay thai being the least effective
@@Zateu because kicks and laying on your back is the last thing you want to do in a street fight.
@@Zateu 90% of mma strikes are standing punches also. the numbers dont lie.
@@Teddy-se8qbGuess you have never kicked someone in the groin. Bet you have never do a snap kick with your boots on to someone's shin either. But thats oj 😂
Agreed. I trained with 2 ncaa heavyweight champs for years. If they want to take you down, you are going down.
Worth noting the guy they mentioned Mark Shultz. Took the fight literally the day of and won. Dude was a beast.
That's nothing. Chael woke up next to the octagon and as soon as he woke up, they asked him to fight. Five minutes later, he won the title.
#undefeated
#undisputed
@@Only2GendersCommonSenseI can't believe how close he was to beating 3 of the greatest fighters near his divisions, he almost beat Anderson Silva, he was thrashed by Jon Jones but Jon Jones broke his toe, had he beed able to survive the first round he would have easily won the match, he had Fedor's back, there was plenty of time left in the round, but he for some reason decided to do a summersault from his back.
@@fenrir834 nah, Chael beat Jones. Why do you think Jones has that one loss on his record?
Nothing against Jocko but he dogmatically defends jiu jitsu as the be all end all. Striking and grappling are two sides of the same coin
BJJ can get really cult like, its bizarre.
I honestly think Muay Thai is the best thing for a street altercation
@@Ryan30z agreed. As far as self defense goes too, is it worth spending all this time on the finer points of submissions, or is that time better spent learning striking along with wrestling/judo? I know what id choose.
@@Ryan30z yeah BJJ is a religion many have their master in JJ and religious dogma
The reason BJJ has become cult because it reinforces the belief that fighting is just like making the right move in chess and you can beat anyone.
This isn't how reality is. Seen wrestlers dominate BJJ guys and especially catch wrestling all the time. Then Muay Thai kicks are so insane BJJ guys can barely grapple after that.
Plus sheer strength with little bit of fighting knowledge can be game changer.
I’m surprised people even argue that mma isn’t the best .You have the capabilities to knock out at least 3 people out and if it’s one on one you can take someone down Mma truly is the best but just bjj or just wrestling is the worst because fights in the streets are never fair .
Wrestling better than bij because more takedown/throw focused. Works great on concrete and keeps you standing up. Also people tend to stop fighting back if you throw them on the curb lol. Best thing is to learn everything and specialize on 1 thing. Most (if not all) MMA champions are at least decent at every aspect, but amazing at a certain thing.
Like Stephen Thompson. He's decent at wrestling and takedown defense, he has to be to survive grapplers. But he's amazing at striking. Or Khabib, who is a grappling God but needs some decent striking to not get straight up KO'd
The reason why no one argues it is because MMA is not a martial art.
It’s a combination of martial arts, which is why it can’t be in a conversation when comparing martial arts to each other.
Yes knowing everything is the best, no shit sherlock
I think the Leon Edwards wins over Kumaru Usman really shows this. If you can't get submissions and takedowns in the UFC you'll only get so far, but without a good standing game you're probably not gonna get anywhere.
Usman was winning and dominating the whole first fight, had Leon not landed the kick Kumaru would of won, now the 2nd fight is a different story
@@PandasRViolent2nd and 3rd fights*
@@PandasRViolent he did land the kick though...
@@brenzyc8703 I agree, my point was at the original posters comments you can and Usman did dominate the Welterweight by just doing that. Had he not got caught slacking in the first fight in the final round he would've won, by decision but he did and Leon made him pay for it.
Jocko "hold on real quick while I invent a situation so I'm always right" Willink
LOL
i'd rather be a Golden belt Muai thai than the Gracie style of Boring.
Tbh, ground fights are freaking boring to watch. Which is why the most exciting fight to watch are both strikers. If you want to watch ground fights, just watch wrestling or BJJ Championship match.
You need a standing art=Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Karate and Grappling BJJ or JJJ...You have those 2 elements its fun.
Muay Thai on average is gonna win over bjj, because bjj guys have almost no takes downs, bjj is kinda funny in that they willingly lay on the ground
You might want to revise that argument after watching some UFC fights. Don't get me wrong, I love muay thai. But, in no way is a pure thai boxer going to easily defeat a pure bjj guy. That's what the early UFCs proved in the 90's.
In more recent times, fights like Rodtang vs Demetrious Johnson offer some more evidence of what I've stated.
@@sergiocastillo9759 DJ is Not a bjj guy, no way , not even close, to suggest that is silly,
@@dualmass Under no circumstances have I suggested that. Rodtang was destroyed by an mma fighter owing to his nonexistent grappling background despite his superior striking skills. That's the point I've tried to make
Reality says otherwise
@@sergiocastillo9759 yeah but you said pure thai vs pure bjj and DJ isn't a purest in bjj he did what he did to Rodtang due to him mixing it up not just completely grappling against him. Grappling is a whole different animal when strikes are involved
What Joes saying reminds me of James Toney's remarks before his fight with Couture. He said "Idc about no 'martial arts'. You put any man in front of me and I can knock him out".
He thought.
And to be fair, he was a multiple weight world champion boxer, if youre facing a guy who cannot fight or is trying to box with you, 100% youll knock him out, but if he shoots in for a quick takedown it's over. Suddenly youre on your back like a turtle.
its weird though most of the champs in MMA right now are kinda more strikers. makhachev is the only proper grappler i can think of
Aljo, JJ, Islam, Volk all have strong wrestling backgrounds. Volk is just so insanely well rounded and his striking is so great people forget how much of a danger he is on the ground as well. He was an Australian wrestling champ.
The point being missed is in a real street fight, you get to break fingers and poke eyes 👀👊 that breaks up anything a grappler wants to do 🎉
70% times you have to get in the ground but 100% times started on standing up.
not true. The only thing that happen is both are grapplers/bjj. But strikers or muay thai fighters, the moment you lay down, goodluck to your legs. 100% of the battle at first are all standing. Very less change of grappling. The only time grappling happen if either both or the other one is exhausted.
@@privateuploads5397i dont understand why strikers always think that bjj guys are going to pull guard, i train bjj and i dont know anyone in my gym that likes to pull guard instead of trying to take you down (wrestling)
The real problem I find with bjj guys he they can't take hits. You hit with a good kick or punch especially if ll they do is train striking. You've never been punched and kicked unless it was a boxer punching you or a Thai fighter kicking you.
Honest thoughts from you guys…For street defence is it better to learn Muay Thai or Judo?? I am mid 40s age
Learn sprint
@@t.t.t.7419 Not always an option
For street fight, muy Thai is best in my opinion
If opponent pulls out a knife
You at least can use your legs to kick him away and run
You don’t want that knife near you
I understand Jocko’s point at the end about getting close to a guy to strike, consequently giving the grappler an opportunity to take the other guy down, however if the striker knows how to strike well he can maintain some distance, throw some vicious combos and have the grappler on the back foot. In fact, if he’s a proficient striker he will likely knock the grappler out before the fight ever goes to the ground be it a leg kick, elbow or punch.
A Muay Thai guy could destroy a BJJ guy with straight leg kicks nothing the BJJ guy can do about it
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oh wow, the same shit we already knew 20 years ago
One had a Mui thai vs Ju jitsu fight and it was just a bad beating for the ju jistu guy
He git lit up every time he tried to get closer and the fight was stopped because his leg was smashed
are you okay with mma rules forcing ground fighters to stand up?
As a striker myself I give the win to grappling in general - whether wrestling or BJJ. But if we break down which type of fight then that's a whole different story. Against multiple people? boxing. Followed by Muay Thai. Unless you're like me and way better at kicks than anything then Muay Thai first place. But thinking average dude no shoulder problems etc. Boxing first
Against a guy your size? Wrestling or BJJ
Against a guy much bigger than you? BJJ
1 on 1, give me wrestling/bjj. 1 on 3? give me muay thai or boxing. 1 on 5? give me some good running sneakers
i would be running way before 1 on 2 lmao
Thats the dumbest comment I've seen in a while. Good luck fighting 3 dudes bull rushing you with muay thai
Wrestling maybe, bjj no. Great way to get stabbed to death in a street fight lol.
So if you only had to choose one style, which one would it be for self-defense in a real situation?
Muay Thai
Thats why MMA is the best choice, covers both.
MMA is just a general term it's literally free style fighting.
If there in range your in range two goes both sides
Rodtang vs DJ
and yet, they will still lowball anything to hype up jiu jitsu ... as usual ...
Idk I think muay thai over bjj. Of course you think you can close the distance with a grapple technique then you get surprised by a knee or a leg kick to the face or temple
jocko doesn't know what he's talking about he's too biased everytime he talks about jiu jitsu, he's never had a fight against a non jiu jitsu athlete and has never tried striking his whole life, comparing bjj black belt to muay thai champ is crazy
I"M so sick of this Jacko fool
Not sure if its crazy, considering its two athletes at the top of their sport. You can compare a bjj expert like Gilbert Burns to striking expert Wonderboy Thompson, and see who can use their tools better
@@richardpanini971 an mma fight is different than self defense
@@richardpanini971 Being a BJJ blackbelt, is not the same as a Mauy Thai champion rofl. Being a BJJ champion would be... not just getting a blackbelt.
World of difference between mma trained striking which is watered down muay thai vs. Actual muay thai. Making the claims about turtling and getting close is alot of pipe dreaming. You are not tanking a roundhouse.
Both BJJ and Muay Thai are great but as Joe said a fight starts standing and ill put all my eggs in one basket and say if you are a really and I mean really good Mauy Thai fighter a BJJ guy or girl will get knocked out trying to take you down.
Andrew Tate is right jiu jitsu requires a fair fight, a Muay Thai fighter could knock multiple people in a flash, therefore, Muay Thai is better
boxing is even better. See Geoff Thompson and brits who fight more hand to hand without as much threat of guns as in the US. Whole concept of a britigsh hardman" is like a guy that has hands, lifts (most of wrestling comes down to strength and weight), and knows how violence goes
No he couldn't / You watch too much movies / No one could knock multiple people in a flash, especially if they come at once / human has only two arms and one direction to see & all it takes is one solid sucker punch to a vital side of the head to go out /
If you get jumped, it's over
@@aburoach9268 you don't recognize when someone is using hyperbole huh?
Lol we are talking about SPORT here, not real street fights dude
@@aburoach9268 boxers have knocked out multiple people on camera many many times
Remember Ben Ass-Cream vs Jorge Masvidal?😝
Usman and Colby lmao
If combat sports were flavors of ice cream, Joe Rogan and Jocko Willink, regardless of how much they like other flavors, they just - to save their own fucking lives - can't help but add in that extra scoup of Jiu Jitsu flavor, can they?
Every nerd in comment sections wants to theorize about streetfights lmao. Shut up and train.
Hey man just saying Jujutsu is a Japanese word and jiu jitsu is the martial art
Thanks! Just corrected it :)
@@ResoluteRiseArts much love❤️
Jujutsu Kaisen, great anime
HS wrestling takedowns worked great for me in self-defense.
really wish I did hs wrestling…
@@mr.purple250 I was blessed to do wrestling as well as other martial arts.
@@mizukarate I had every opportunity, but thought it was gay at the time. I live in Pennsylvania. There’s a big wrestling culture in my county, but it’s only for kids and college students who did it in high school
@@mr.purple250 was like that in nyc for a while too.
😔
Just like SAKURABA toying around with the Gracie BJJ Brothers. Beats them in their own ground game. Lost an arm after. Gracie even Surrenders.
Watch youtube fight Muay Thai vs BJJ, how useless BJJ becomes on a kicking battle. You will literally lost your leg if you're not being careful with real Muay Thai(Thailander) fighter.
BJJ us useful to ground fitghs esp. if the opponent doesnt know how to do ground fights, but to a striker kick or punch, goodluck. Just like Joe said, a fight started at standing far apart.
Watch pride
Imagine you trying a lock and you get skitty bap on the back of your head or neck hard af. Yea gotta have both.
Muay Thai
Judo Standing + Jiu Jitsu on the floor
Good luck pitting any weight bjj world champion against it's respective Thai counterpart in a legit fight.
Ah endless stupid arguments about what martial art is better. The best one for streets is your brain. You can defeat a whole damn crowd if you use it properly. As for pure sports, well we’ve seen mma fights ending by standing KO, and we’ve seen them ending in the ground. It’s stupid to assume one is “better” than another, you have to train both to compete in things like UFC
Khabib is the only exception. The muay tahi fighters need to check his takedowns
You don't have to have a really good takedown defense, when you have really good jiujitsu
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Bjj unrealistic for streetlighting
There is nothing better and it’s been proved many times over. Come down to the club and give it a try..
@k9m42 what works in a club doesn't necessarily work in a street fight, where there is no rules, and no such thing as a fair fight
If you think BJJ will save you in a street fight then you need to practice it on the ground. Next class From standing position have your students train takedowns in the parking lot parking lot..And please have a ambulance ready. Right now I"m eating a joko Bar.
Fighting a real muay thai, there's a good chance you either die or broke your leg,nose, ribs, jaw. Those mofo kicks is like getting beat up by a baseball bat.
I saw a MMA guy striking a wrestler/ bjj Dood who tried to take him down . Shots can be missed but that knee strike on the wrestler was vicious.
I thought this was going to be about jujutsu but it was actually about Brazillian jiu jitsu.
BJJ crushes MT.
Lmao nope.
Dude has never had to fight a well trained striker, where one kick can shatter your leg.
Muay thai destroys bjj all the time, unless bjj learns striking. But if muay thai learns submission too, then its back to muay thai beating bjj.
Amateur Nak Muay and BJJ blue belt, THIS is the way!
It’s the other way around
@@sharpie6888 Nah. We never see a BJJ doing pure grappling. All the time a BJJ even uses a striking stance.
BJJ is for people who don’t want to fight.
joe and jocko are failed thai boxers
People who chose boxing and freestyle wrestling in the room. 🫥
Muay Thai destroys jujitsu always.
Was Thai sparring last night and was in a clinch and was .2 seconds away from locking my grip (as much as I could with 16 oz gloves) and dumping him but I remembered it was Thai sparring not mma, I woulda felt so bad if I did that with out thinking, glad I was able to keep myself grounded, I really did need a take down 😂my partner was simply better than me on the feet in jjst about every way, I did not have answers bar my front teep and a side kick, maybe bar my side kicks (nobody seems to use em or defend) and my power as I’m naturally bigger. A takedown woulda been nice, I’m convinced I’d sub 99% of the dudes in my sparring class but they never come to mma sparring😂but on the other hand I routinely get my shit kicked in Thai sparring by the more experienced guys, but to be fair to me, mma sparring is way more complex than thai, my wide stance and lower hands are great in mma but a wider stance in Thai just gives them way more chances to eat ur legs up
You can lock grip in Muay Thai, just not throw them with it, just dump instead. Next time go for it, as Muay Thai fighters should be trained for that
Is this a deep fake?
watch?v=A6d3Gj6Ie5k says everything about being a master at going to the ground to fight.