Muay Thai Vs. Jiu Jitsu - joe rogan and jocko willink
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- Joe and Jocko discuss the differences between Jujutsu and muay thai, and the advantages of grappling.
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why? you just steal other people's content.
Joe's a huge UFC fan. How awesome for him to be able to travel to see every UFC fight, everytime.
why I dont know... I have no idea why he's so big with his podcast or why hes even ufc commentator
@@playthroughcinema you must have no intelligence or awareness to understand why.
He goes to PPVs, not all the fights.
@@playthroughcinema are you serious? You’re either truly ignorant or a dumbass.
@@playthroughcinema Because he is enthusiastic, has charisma and it an accessible personality
Real Muay thai fighters have awesome standing grappling . They will control ,throw, and sweep your legs . The only thing a skilled Thai fighter needs to learn is ground fighting, and then all the lower weight classes of mma would be ruled by thai dudes
Edit: I consider wrestling/judo/jujutsu/ grappling in general ground fighting because it always ends on the ground .
@Jan L Thai clinch in Thailand often looks pretty similar to Greco wrestling (underhooks, overhooks, body locks, etc.), which is a major component of freestyle. They might be missing the element of leg grabs, but there is a huge amount of overlap between Thai grappling and western wrestling except with the added element of elbow and knee strikes. People call the double collar tie "Thai clinch," but you very rarely see it used in Thailand unless there is a big skill/size disparity.
@janl4062 That's why I said they need ground work
Rafael fiziev just got sauced up by Justin gaethje
@klaus6058 That was a good fight but Fiziev is not Thai and not close to the likes of Saenchai, Samart Payakaroon ect. He really isn't even close to other great muay thai foriengers like Ramon Dekkers or Dany Bill. If he had a couple hundred more muay Thai fights then maybe.
@@Rylo78 Fiziev wasn't much of a clinch fighter when he fought Muay Thai. Very muay mat (boxing/punch-focused)
Jijutsu fighter that knows muay thai is a deadly combination
Isn't that Oliveira?
I've been training BJJ for a while, I can't wait to start muay thai during the summer.
@@KanyeWestLyricalGeniusThat’s my plan as well
@@KanyeWestLyricalGenius Wouldn’t you have to do BJJ as well as Muay Thai to retain your skill you learned?
@@KanyeWestLyricalGeniusit’s the summar now, did you start?
ive spared with some really good guys in Thailand and with retired former Rajadamnern stadium champions. If you haven’t felt that, you have no clue. You cant touch them, and with the amount of tricks they have; sweeps, disrupting your rhythm, timing.. you soon realise you have almost no chance doing anything to them. It’s like rolling with someone several belts above you.
Liar
@@beastjemzo there’s a world outside of your bedroom mate
My coach is a former European flyweight Muay Thai champion, held his belt for 5 successive defences, I recently technical sparred and clinched with him, literally got beaten for 6 minutes straight.
Same weight and only an inch taller than him, yet I felt like a child play fighting with my dad. He took my back, he swept me whenever he felt like it, he checked every kick and slipped 70% of my punches, and this is a 48 year old man with 5 kids lol.
Elite level practitioners of a combat sport are a different breed of athlete.
@@beastjemzo ? Why would he be lying lol
@@m.d.sharpe8892 People often don't realize how easy it is to find high level Muay Thai guys. If a westerner goes to Thailand, especially with all that extra money we usually have, it's really not difficult to find good gyms with former champions and get good training with them
You need to work both if you want a true self defense experience
no. you need to work more on boxing and wrestling. out of the "big 4", muay thai and bjj are the least affective.
@@Teddy-se8qb i agree with wrestling instead of bjj for self defense, but idk what are you smoking about muay thai being the least effective
@@Zateu because kicks and laying on your back is the last thing you want to do in a street fight.
@@Zateu 90% of mma strikes are standing punches also. the numbers dont lie.
@@Teddy-se8qbGuess you have never kicked someone in the groin. Bet you have never do a snap kick with your boots on to someone's shin either. But thats oj 😂
70% times you have to get in the ground but 100% times started on standing up.
not true. The only thing that happen is both are grapplers/bjj. But strikers or muay thai fighters, the moment you lay down, goodluck to your legs. 100% of the battle at first are all standing. Very less change of grappling. The only time grappling happen if either both or the other one is exhausted.
@@privateuploads5397i dont understand why strikers always think that bjj guys are going to pull guard, i train bjj and i dont know anyone in my gym that likes to pull guard instead of trying to take you down (wrestling)
That's why all grapplers train striking.
Don't know where you get 70% from, but lots of fights start sitting or on the ground.
@@privateuploads5397If my opponent lies down, I don't have to fight them at all. What's that idiotic scenario?
What if your attacker puts YOU down?
Nothing against Jocko but he dogmatically defends jiu jitsu as the be all end all. Striking and grappling are two sides of the same coin
BJJ can get really cult like, its bizarre.
I honestly think Muay Thai is the best thing for a street altercation
@@Ryan30z agreed. As far as self defense goes too, is it worth spending all this time on the finer points of submissions, or is that time better spent learning striking along with wrestling/judo? I know what id choose.
@@Ryan30z yeah BJJ is a religion many have their master in JJ and religious dogma
The reason BJJ has become cult because it reinforces the belief that fighting is just like making the right move in chess and you can beat anyone.
This isn't how reality is. Seen wrestlers dominate BJJ guys and especially catch wrestling all the time. Then Muay Thai kicks are so insane BJJ guys can barely grapple after that.
Plus sheer strength with little bit of fighting knowledge can be game changer.
Worth noting the guy they mentioned Mark Shultz. Took the fight literally the day of and won. Dude was a beast.
That's nothing. Chael woke up next to the octagon and as soon as he woke up, they asked him to fight. Five minutes later, he won the title.
#undefeated
#undisputed
@@Only2GendersCommonSenseI can't believe how close he was to beating 3 of the greatest fighters near his divisions, he almost beat Anderson Silva, he was thrashed by Jon Jones but Jon Jones broke his toe, had he beed able to survive the first round he would have easily won the match, he had Fedor's back, there was plenty of time left in the round, but he for some reason decided to do a summersault from his back.
@@fenrir834 nah, Chael beat Jones. Why do you think Jones has that one loss on his record?
Agreed. I trained with 2 ncaa heavyweight champs for years. If they want to take you down, you are going down.
@AlanHinsonwrestling yes for sure, boxing not so much
@@bobbyb608of course boxing is . Boxing is 20-25 percent of mma . Boxing is the fundamentals to be a complete fighter. Someone who knows boxing and wrestling is going to win against someone who knows only boxing or wrestling .
@@Chasebanks523 boxing only uses your hands. There is very few boxers in the UFC.
@@bobbyb608no, if your close enough to grab me I’m close enough to check you. Yes grab my legs and I’m on the ground I’m fucked I understand that, but split seconds count and unfortunately hand move faster than a you level changing
@@Frostedminis Muay Thai in a tight clinch would absolute demolish a boxer
In Jiu Jitsu I am taught to use the clinch to work takedowns from Judo and Wrestling. We have short shots. We have punch blocks that include defending round house kicks. Going against a Muay Thai practitioner still sounds really dangerous.
I've seen way too many grappler mistake their, "if you get that close to me I can grab you and take you down" and wind up getting their skull beat in by the right or left hand of a striker while they are tryimg just that.
In my experience, the striking guys have been way more arrogant than the bjj guys lol.. some strikers think they're gods at fighting only to be taken down and submitted by a 17 year old two stripe white belt
Their*🤦♂️
@Brian O'Neil in 42 yeaes of grappling from wrestling to Judo to Samba and Muay Thai, I dont know a lot of strikers who are actually GOOD that ignore the skills of a grappler. Your c-team arrogant assholes deserve to be submitted but a competent grappler who isn't afraid to keep their head on their shoulders will be a very dangerous opponent on the Street and on the open mat every time. They could go either way. Get destroyed by an unskilled fighter or get clipped by a highly skilled or visa:versa
@@judowrestlerka i didn't know Samba the dance is a wrestling art
@@pycckieBnepegif you actually know martial arts, you'd know what style he meant, sweetie
My 8 year old is cross training BJJ and Shinkiokushin - the best available combo as wrestling, grappling, striking covered and they can have fully resisting opponents. Muithai for an 8 years old is just pad work in our area.
Jocko "hold on real quick while I invent a situation so I'm always right" Willink
LOL
Doesn't matter the fighting style. Everything boils down to timing and accuracy. You can get close enough for a grapple all you want, but if my foot work is in shape and my hands are quick, that's a problem. Vice versa. In both scenarios, it just takes the right person.
Tbh, ground fights are freaking boring to watch. Which is why the most exciting fight to watch are both strikers. If you want to watch ground fights, just watch wrestling or BJJ Championship match.
No. If you think grappling is boring in MMA, its worse in their own sports lol. In MMA, the addition of strikes at least spices things up.
Pure grappling is a stall fest.
There's tons of kickboxing competitions to watch.
You're not doing that bcs you're not actually interested in fighting.
You're interested in violence and you think you understand striking.
I think the Leon Edwards wins over Kumaru Usman really shows this. If you can't get submissions and takedowns in the UFC you'll only get so far, but without a good standing game you're probably not gonna get anywhere.
Usman was winning and dominating the whole first fight, had Leon not landed the kick Kumaru would of won, now the 2nd fight is a different story
@@PandasRViolent2nd and 3rd fights*
@@PandasRViolent he did land the kick though...
@@brenzyc8703 I agree, my point was at the original posters comments you can and Usman did dominate the Welterweight by just doing that. Had he not got caught slacking in the first fight in the final round he would've won, by decision but he did and Leon made him pay for it.
If you speak about a pure grappler with no striking abilities against a pure striker with no grappling abilities I would always bet for the grappler. The striker needs to land a good strike to end the fight, which in my experience it is more difficult than getting taken down by a grappler. A grappler may recieve 1 or 2 strikes but still stay up but he will just need one chance to take down someone that has no take down defense, and once the striker is in the floor the fight is over.
Why are people still putting Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai against each other when MMA has proved that they go great together 🤷♂️
“Jocko is being biased towards grappling”
0:50 - Jocko literally says grappling is not a guarantee against striking
its weird though most of the champs in MMA right now are kinda more strikers. makhachev is the only proper grappler i can think of
Aljo, JJ, Islam, Volk all have strong wrestling backgrounds. Volk is just so insanely well rounded and his striking is so great people forget how much of a danger he is on the ground as well. He was an Australian wrestling champ.
3 out of the 8 current champions have more submissions than KOs. Jon jones has 10 KOs and 7 submissions, so still a decent amount submissions. So that makes 4 champions out of the 8 that have displayed a large amount of grappling ability.
Try again.
@@MattyIceBJJVolk definitely more of striker
@@mr.purple250 I would definitely like to see Volk now utilize his ground game and takedowns more now, considering his recent performances on the feet.
I hate to watch a fighter go down hill. It’s truly sad. I was watching Paul vs Perry live at the arena, and Perry was punch drunk since the first knock down. Got to witness CTE live.
@@MattyIceBJJ meh, he really shouldn’t have taken that Islam fight on short notice. Some casuals say that the head kick is there short or long notice, but I’ve fought Muay Thai a couple times, once unprepared, and there will be some difficulties even if your mentality is as strong such as your ability to react using instincts and/or fight iq. He wasn’t in top shape physically and mentally. It’s still his fault for taking that fight. He then fought Topuria like only a few months later. He wasn’t the same…
Judo/wrestling along with Muay Thai/boxing and bjj would be the way to go. To have those 3 however you choose.
MMA became predicable because almost Every MMA fighter use the same skills and train the same Techiniques.
@@DouglasGomesBueno that's because a lot of those techniques and skills have proven to be extremely effective in the ring
@JR41N3 Yeah but I feel sometimes people in MMA forget that traditional martial arts can be Effetive in MMA and only train BJJ, Muay Thai, Boxing and Wrestling.
@JR41N3 Islam bring Taekwondo in his skilset look his KO against Volk the Kick that made Islam win is 100% Taekwondo, Islam Also bring back Throws of Traditional Judo in his fights rare to see in UFC and the notion of distance of Islam are Karate.
If you've got a year to train: Muay Thai
If you've got 5 years to train: Judo
If you've got 10 years to train: Jiu Jitsu
1 day? Gun.
The real problem I find with bjj guys he they can't take hits. You hit with a good kick or punch especially if ll they do is train striking. You've never been punched and kicked unless it was a boxer punching you or a Thai fighter kicking you.
For street fight, muy Thai is best in my opinion
If opponent pulls out a knife
You at least can use your legs to kick him away and run
You don’t want that knife near you
By the time a guy with a knife is near of you to kick it's kinda almost over...
U teep then u run
From far away ...but if he's already in close range you have no choice but to snap the arm and walk away
@@zephyrr108 You dont know teep? LMFAO! th-cam.com/users/shortspw4SCIeQN2g
"90% of the fights end on the ground"
Folks, maturity is when you realise, that this statement is valid only for law enforcement and bouncers(who legally have to neutralise subjects without causing injury or wounding someone
wrong !!!!!
The inverse is also true, Joe.
If you’re close enough to grab, you’re close enough to get punched.
As much as I enjoy BJJ (it’s a good art, has much to teach in the modern era, just not super practical by itself for self defense in the concrete world), I see way too many practitioners go to pulling guard, (practically begging to have your brain smashed out or your back broken via slam.Gravity is a hell of a weapon.) “shooting” in for a takedown with their head at hip height (screaming for either a teep to the face or knee to the side of the head or chin, elbow to the back of the neck/head), or laying down and waiting for the opponent to go to a sprawl/roll (only works if your opponent plays your game or have great takedown game-most times those takedowns are lacking in pure BJJ, and I’ve rarely met someone so obliging as to cuddle with their opponent for keeps.)
Most Muay Thai practitioners defend by breaking the part of the opponent that is attacking or is closest/most vital.
That being said, virtually every martial arts out there can be enhanced with BJJ training. Knowing what to do from the ground and how to clear the roll is vital.
“He fell” was a euphemism for dying for a very good reason, after all.
@@RisingAurora lol why do you idiots always assume bjj players are going to pull guard in a street fight? My dude I will throw you on your head with any one of the different throws out there. Judo and Jiu Jitsu share the same lineage and if you don’t know the basic judo throws as a jiu jitsu player, you’re not very good. This idea that a bjj player just will lay down for you is hard coping fantasy for the fact that bjj >>>>>> striking any day of the week. I terrorize the striking based mma fighters in my gym with nothing but pure jiu jitsu. I don’t even have to go for the ground and pound, it just makes it easier. You’re living in fantasy land.
They start off arguing one point and end up arguing the opposite
Yup. The reality is the way the fight can go and it doesn’t matter what people may believe as anything can go in a fight
This is NOT a complicated issue. Fight stays standing, Muay Tai wins. Fight goes to the ground, BJJ wins. It's a moot discussion because these are two very different fighting styles.
@gussstavo You clearly know nothing about fighting.
@gussstavo Wrangling drunks and throwing them out of a bar. That's the exact same thing as street fight! LOL!! SO many people like you that dismiss the effectiveness of BJJ in a street fight that goes to ground have ended up with broken bones, blown knees/shoulders/elbows/ankles, or choked unconscious. Because of this ignorance, you would be destroyed immediately on the ground. You better keep it standing.
Man DJ and Rodtang settled this.
Muay Thai on average is gonna win over bjj, because bjj guys have almost no takes downs, bjj is kinda funny in that they willingly lay on the ground
You might want to revise that argument after watching some UFC fights. Don't get me wrong, I love muay thai. But, in no way is a pure thai boxer going to easily defeat a pure bjj guy. That's what the early UFCs proved in the 90's.
In more recent times, fights like Rodtang vs Demetrious Johnson offer some more evidence of what I've stated.
@@sergiocastillo9759 DJ is Not a bjj guy, no way , not even close, to suggest that is silly,
@@dualmass Under no circumstances have I suggested that. Rodtang was destroyed by an mma fighter owing to his nonexistent grappling background despite his superior striking skills. That's the point I've tried to make
Reality says otherwise
@@sergiocastillo9759 yeah but you said pure thai vs pure bjj and DJ isn't a purest in bjj he did what he did to Rodtang due to him mixing it up not just completely grappling against him. Grappling is a whole different animal when strikes are involved
The thing is, Muay Thai does have an element of grappling, too, and those elbows are absolutely devastating. Absolutely learn to grapple! If I had to pick one, I'd take Muay Thai and only because most fights begin on your feet.
Mediocre grappling the Muay Thai plum is only good against people who can’t grapple. Any d1 wrestler will just pop and shoot a double or a bear hug before an elbow can even connect.
@_penguin_9946 Hmm... debatable. Elbows are extremely dangerous close-range weapons, and unless you're trained to neutralize those, especially against a high-level Muay Thai fighter, you're taking a huge risk getting in close. It's not that cut and dry.
@@Upāsaka_11 A nak Muay is a literal idiot if they allow a grappler to get close at all. If they can get elbows or knees happening, then maybe they'll be fine. But if you watch Carlos Condit vs a Judoka back in WEC, he tried all that Muay Thai stuff and got manhandled lol.
@MatthewNguyen-zx3de That's my point, and a proficient Nak Muay can and would employ elbows and knees in a clinch. Look, I'm not saying Muay Thai is perfect. I'm just saying that a couple of 12-6es to the top of your head can be catastrophic, regardless.
@@_penguin_9946 False! Hahaha
in the UFC where the best are allowed to do anything and everyone is near black belt at jiu-jitsu and are competent to great wrestlers - the fights are mostly all won by striking, especially at the championship belt levels; excellent striking ability in offense, defense, counters, footwork, rhythm, timing, mind games is a must; boxing + wrestling + muay thai are absolute musts
Honest thoughts from you guys…For street defence is it better to learn Muay Thai or Judo?? I am mid 40s age
Learn sprint
@@t.t.t.7419 Not always an option
Anything that spars.
People can argue all they want, but being good at something is going to give you a giant edge over the average person. If you're worried about making trouble with a MT guy or a BJJ dude then wack.
Judo by far
@@stevesawall1316 Why do you think Judo?
I choose boxing and muay thai over Jiujitsu for self defence. I'm worried about multiple attackers. And weighted up the chances of a champion bjj or wrestler attacking me in the street for no reason. Accepted that I can't beat everyone and there will be holes in my game.
Take Judo bro. It works wonders with those 2 martial arts you’ve listed, except you will get insane takedown defense. Plus you can throw people to the ground if the situation requires it.
I would consider boxing and judo for real life scenarios.
@@ArmaDino22 Judo teaches you to take a person down AND you also go down with them. Pretty useless in real life.
@@iROChakri tell me you never did judo without telling me that you never did judo.
@@ArmaDino22 Never done but have sparred with them. Can easily elbow and headbutt. Also yes I got thrown around a lot but I also grabbed their gi and took them down with me. Next excuses?
Tip, the natural pose when judoka grabs you is the easiest timing to elbow the judoka. Do you know why elbows always disabled when Judo or BJJ or w/e fight Muay thai???
Thats why MMA is the best choice, covers both.
MMA is just a general term it's literally free style fighting.
Muay Thai is a decent base for MMA, after some adjustment. Pure BJJ just isn't anymore.
You need a standing art=Muay Thai, Kickboxing, Karate and Grappling BJJ or JJJ...You have those 2 elements its fun.
This goes hard
I've been grappling my whole life, and I still say these people over estimate how viable it is to take down a great striker without getting your bell rung...if you're not at least decent in that department yourself.
Takedowns easily worked in the early days because it was a surprise to many. It's not a surprise anymore. Everyone knows it's coming. It only takes one good shot to disoriented a person, and it's not easy to work the ground game when your dazed.
Yeah look at Rhonda when she took Holly Holm. She was not expecting that level of striking.
Andrew Tate is right jiu jitsu requires a fair fight, a Muay Thai fighter could knock multiple people in a flash, therefore, Muay Thai is better
boxing is even better. See Geoff Thompson and brits who fight more hand to hand without as much threat of guns as in the US. Whole concept of a britigsh hardman" is like a guy that has hands, lifts (most of wrestling comes down to strength and weight), and knows how violence goes
No he couldn't / You watch too much movies / No one could knock multiple people in a flash, especially if they come at once / human has only two arms and one direction to see & all it takes is one solid sucker punch to a vital side of the head to go out /
If you get jumped, it's over
@@aburoach9268 you don't recognize when someone is using hyperbole huh?
Lol we are talking about SPORT here, not real street fights dude
@@aburoach9268 boxers have knocked out multiple people on camera many many times
Learning Muay Thai plus bjj is a diabolical combo
As Thai and former Muay Thai practice Muay Thai fighter should learn BJJ and BJJ fighter should learn Muay Thai
Another problem to the people who only know BJJ is that in a real Fight you will possibly fight against more than one person.. and in that scenario your head will be kicked when you tried to do the BJJ moves
Ideally, train both. Imo, it’s way better
Never box a boxer. Old rule that still holds true.
A black belt isn't equivalent of a world champion, a fair comparison is BJJ black belt world champion vs muay Thai world champion
Ah endless stupid arguments about what martial art is better. The best one for streets is your brain. You can defeat a whole damn crowd if you use it properly. As for pure sports, well we’ve seen mma fights ending by standing KO, and we’ve seen them ending in the ground. It’s stupid to assume one is “better” than another, you have to train both to compete in things like UFC
Let's be honest BJJ is kind of gay when you think about it. Blow Job Jujitsu
It’s a complicated story but you should know that Ground fighting was part of Muay Thai back in the past. Since it became a modern sport, deadly tactics were removed. Modern Muay Thai only focus on striking since Judo and BJJ were introduced to Thailand in past centuries which made many techniques of Muay Thai that similar to Judo and BJJ were forbidden.
Both are tough Sports !!!
What Joes saying reminds me of James Toney's remarks before his fight with Couture. He said "Idc about no 'martial arts'. You put any man in front of me and I can knock him out".
He thought.
And to be fair, he was a multiple weight world champion boxer, if youre facing a guy who cannot fight or is trying to box with you, 100% youll knock him out, but if he shoots in for a quick takedown it's over. Suddenly youre on your back like a turtle.
Yea randy would not have been standing with james toney he even said it himself
@Jrortega001_ Yeah I know and no one could blame him for making that decision.
MMA used to only stand for Mixed Martial Arts, not now a martial art of its own. The new warrior trains everything.
You can't call it Muay Thai if there are no elbows and knees.
Been training in boxing and Muaythai for almost 10 years. Now as a BJJ blue belt. I would say that taking down a pure striker isn't hard at all, if your BJJ dojo doesn't teach takedowns, you should look for another dojo LOL
It all depends on the fighters, their skill-level, the context (place, one or more attackers, difference in weight between the fighters...) and so on! The self-defense "system" Krav Maga is mainly focused on concussive blows or ways to evade and land concussive blows before you run the hell out. Out of all the current UFC champions the only one with a clear BJJ background is probably Topuria (!!!) who - surprise surprise - is reknown for his striking prowess and for his focus on standing up (I would have guessed he that he came from Muay Thai or something)! People with grappling background are the majority (with sambo and wrestling background) but they are all efficient/top level strikers (Jones, Makhachev...)....and not with a BJJ background!
In a street fight a high level Muay Thai fighter will end a fight in 10 seconds with a blitz
its a totally different game with ground groin kicks, biting, back of the neck in real self defense
and yet, they will still lowball anything to hype up jiu jitsu ... as usual ...
There’s no comparison really but mix them up and get highly skilled and it’ll make you formidable.
AH YES THE GROUND THE GROUND THE GROUND
Depends on your age meaning how much time you have to learn each art and if ur goal is be a mma fighter or a Bjj competitor.
I taught my 9 month old Muay Thai, Jiu jitsu at 24 months and judo at 42 months. At the age of 5 he is already a black belt in Jiu jitsu, and a world champion in Muay Thai under 8’s😂
Yes bjj is the best for ground defense but i still feel it’s pointless to learn, good luck trying to choke someone, heel lock or armbar someone carrying a knife, much rather throw a punch or kick and make a run for it.
Good luck throwing a punch against someone with a knife smoothbrain. ANY martial art could be rendered useless against someone with a weapon
Helios style was good 4self defense also.. it had a lot of judo/wrestling with rolls gracie
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Thai fighters in Thailand prefer to fight Kickboxing than MMA because they know that with Grappling 0 it's impossible survive in UFC.
oh wow, the same shit we already knew 20 years ago
Muay ti hands down
Nope, hands up. Protect yourself
Brazilian jiu-jitsu is the best selfdefence nu 1 in the all world
It goes Muay Thai/Boxing > Judo/Wrestling > Then master Bjj. You will be a beast.
are you okay with mma rules forcing ground fighters to stand up?
If you can’t take the Muay Thai practitioner down it’s gonna be a painful fight for you and there are strong ways to defend grappling in Muay Thai that can cause all sorts of damage to a grappler
I practice muay thai for more than 2 years now and I think jiu-jitsu is superior.
Although a combination is definitely the best thing to do. That's why we have krav magá!
you can put someone to sleep with boxing just fine, it’s called a knock-out, you should know that as a boxer lol, and how exactly are you gonna choke out more than 1 attacker at the same time (and again, don’t give me that “no martial art will protect you against multiple attackers” mumbojumbo that bjj guys in particular like Jocko Willink and Joe Rogan and Rener Gracie love to preach so much because of their own bjj biased agenda … because the net is filled with videos of casual boxers doing just fine whereas I have yet to see even a single bjj video pulling off a similar feat … it doesn’t exist bro, bjj wasn’t designed for that, boxing was, see hyperlinks of the videos below as undeniable evidence, bjj can’t do this, period), bjj is best case scenario only, but a smart person trains for worst case scenarios so why train bjj then … and yes grappling is important but guess what that’s what judo is for …far more well rounded, far cheaper and none of the toxic cult bs you see in bjj … you can also choke out some guy same way but unlike in bjj you can also throw them to the ground to begin with … bjj is therefore obsolete, why buy a 100k watch if a 40 dollar watch tells you the same time lol, bjj is a scam bro, in judo you learn triple as much, for literally 1/10th the price and you will rarely if ever find the type of douche training partner or instructor that’s your typical or average bjj bloke …
conclusion: boxing and judo are infinitely better and complement eachother extremely well … bjj is 100% unnecessary …
The stone cold reality that bjj clowns refuse to accept is that boxing CAN protect you against multiple attackers, jiu jitsu CANNOT :) and if you end up on the ground with multiple attackers against you, bjj or no bjj, you be f***ed either way :) might as well try to simply stay on your own 2 feet until you can create a gap and escape
And people like Jocko Willink with a bias towards grappling and especially bjj: “it’s hard to knock someone out, it rarely happens, even boxers don’t knock eachother out consistently and they’re trained to do that” …
they’re also trained to take punishment as well as dish it out … but I guess Jocko conveniently forgot about that huh lol the guy simply spins reality and cherrypicks everything in favor of bjj whenever he sees fit …
“If you wanna throw hands, I can just run away …”
Says who? If they corner you in an alleyway or on the subway or on a staircase from both sides or on a rooftop for all I care, unless you can fly like a bird like Nelly fn Furtado, you ain’t going no place … And besides, even if you can run away, if one of them is a better runner or sprinter or triathlete or whatever than you, he’ll simply catch up and now you’re back to square one and not only thta, now you’ve wasted energy failing to run away …
“As soon as you grab me, now I can’t run away anymore, now I have to grapple” …
What kind of idiot would wilfully allow a potential threat to get close enough to grab him in the first place, that’s on YOU … it means your striking and situational awareness failed you and you should’ve worked on your striking and footwork and agility …in other words: simply more cope in favor of bjj …
In any case, people like Jocko can sell bjj biased garbage all they want, the reality still stands they have no answer to ANY of the following videos, because they know but will never get themselves to admit that bjj, for all its’ unfounded hype, can’t do this … boxing can, and boxing has
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Depends on the practitioner. UFC champions across weight classes have never shared the same main style.
Art vs art, bjj wins. That’s been proven. Reason being, bjj teaches slipping punches, closing the distance and takedowns. Muay Thai does not teach takedown defense.
Joe & Jocko are discussing individual fighters abilities to avoid being KO’d and taking the fight to the ground but that all depends on the individual. Not the arts.
I refer on rodtang vs mighty mouse guys
That's why most fights end in a KO...It isn't that difficult to stay off the ground.
True Muay thai is almost haflf grapling just on your feet you learn everything about throws sweeps its all skill and ballance then there,s the whloe elbow and knee side of it come try get me on the ground it wont hapoin trust me many have tryed and failed badly 😈
So if you only had to choose one style, which one would it be for self-defense in a real situation?
Muay Thai
MMA lol.
BJJ
BJJ
Muay thai. If you condition your shin, one leg kick will end most street fights instantly and you dont even have to go down on the ground.
BJJ was amazing but, man, those Gracie fight took forever to finish. 4 hours
Hand picked opponents
The point being missed is in a real street fight, you get to break fingers and poke eyes 👀👊 that breaks up anything a grappler wants to do 🎉
This is the dumbest argument that casuals make. You realise that a grappler can bite you too dummy. No experience + Dirty fighting vs. BJJ + Dirty fighting who u thinks win... That's right
They're talking about in the ring, which is fine. In a real fight people forget about biting, nut punch/grab/kick, eye gauging, finger breaking, throat punch, etc. Also deception: faking a heart attack or seizure and then striking when the guy is distracted. With a grappler/wrestler you can tap (in the real world), they will instinctively loosen for a second out of habit lol. This world is not full of fair fighters. And why would you be if you are not the perpetrator? Fight dirty in order to go home to your spouse and children. If someone is going to stab me or try to beat me up, I'm gonna NOT fight fair. You have no guarantee that they will either. You're winning if you never get in a fight. Run away or try to defuse the situation. But again, they're talking about ring fighting, so not gonna bash what they're saying.
I do both but I am better and more experienced in Muy Thai. I think it works better if u know more muy Thai than bjj in a street fight. You are more equipped to fight one or more people. If you know only bjj u are only good enough to fight one guy any more and it might be bad for you
Both. Muay Thai when you on the feet, switch to JJ if you end up on the ground, they go hand in hand
On average the bjj fighter would win if he has a decent level of takedown technique and in most cases every bjj fighter does a little bit of stand up but almost none muay thai fighter does know something about bjj
Who would win agai. Lex vs Joe Rogan in jujitsu.
There would be 10x more bjj and wrestling if you didn't force stand ups. Thats not the say you won't see striking, just a different kind. Look at the muti hour long fights of sakaraba vs gracie
Someone please tell Jocko that in self defence situatiation a non-bjj guy is "alowed" to strike. They won't just grapple with no strikes.
Muay Thai vs BJJ ?
Rodtang vs Mighty Mouse already answered this question for everyone.
We found out very fast which was Superior
1 on 1, give me wrestling/bjj. 1 on 3? give me muay thai or boxing. 1 on 5? give me some good running sneakers
i would be running way before 1 on 2 lmao
Thats the dumbest comment I've seen in a while. Good luck fighting 3 dudes bull rushing you with muay thai
Wrestling maybe, bjj no. Great way to get stabbed to death in a street fight lol.
Remember Ben Ass-Cream vs Jorge Masvidal?😝
Usman and Colby lmao
In terms of a street fight in a random spot in the world I'd rather know muy thai only because I do not want to go the ground and risk having 5 guys come and hit me with pipes and shit like that when i cant see it or can't run away. You should always stay on your feet in an environment you're not acquainted with.
Grappling 1vs1 fair, muay thai in more realistic street scenarios, where it is important having an overview
World of difference between mma trained striking which is watered down muay thai vs. Actual muay thai. Making the claims about turtling and getting close is alot of pipe dreaming. You are not tanking a roundhouse.
How is it watered down lol
If there in range your in range two goes both sides
Even at bjj tournaments, when it gets heated, the first thing people do is throw punches. Why is that? If bjj is the best, why do people immediately go to hands? I’m saying this as someone who loves bjj and has been training for a long time, but let’s be honest, if I’m out and I get into a bit of trouble I’m not grappling. I’m hitting first and getting the fuck out of there.
I think people overestimate muay thai and underestimate jiujitsu....not saying muay thai doesn't work, of course it works I ve done sparrin with some Muay Thai guys and that leg kick is mean, but, when they are grabbed and thrown tonthe ground ( im a judoka and did some boxing ) then it's over....same goes for bjj guys, they have great newaza skills, but lack of takedowns and throws which judo does have..... I believe if you watto be proficient martial artist, you gotta train each martial art to experience what works for you and take the best of each one....those are my two cents....
For a BJJ/JJ/grappler to not get knockouted before throwing the muay thai down, they must learn basic striking in order to defend themselves. This is already a proof why striking > grappling. Imagine a pure striker vs a pure grappler, the grappler would get KO instantly. When I see Muay thai vs BJJ, its always Muay thai vs MMA (as the BJJ also learns to strike).
What’s their verdict?? This clip starts out implying Muay Thai would win, and ends saying BJJ would win
Muay Thai training can be torturous so not many can handle it long term and of course these two would shill for BJJ. Of course BJJ is awesome but it has deffo caught a dose of the McDojo’s.