My guy I have been searching countless videos all day trying to understand what downstreaming and how this sh mixing works and this is the first time it’s clicked. THANK YOU
Excellent video, Joe. Its been fun watching you grow and learn, and then turn around and give it all back to us. I'd put you in the same class of people as Billy Davidson in Louisiana. He's also an awesome guy and great teacher as well. Keep up the great work!
finally someone explained this mixing process I am in NYC and I recently added power washing to the retail store front where I am doing floor maintenance, this was a great video and I am doing it tomorrow 😂
Thanks for the numbers. I like it. Just a few things to consider (you May have mentioned it, and I missed it). 1. Running a 1.8 injector will cause you to draw more SH 2. The hose length will make a difference. 3. Your pressure at the pump will make a difference. Less pressure means more draw. Thanks again brother!
Mike Carmody Thanks Mike. Yes all of those things are absolutely factors. That’s why the first step of doing a draw test is key. As you know. I really appreciate your input.
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Hey, first video of yours I've seen. Starting a pressure washing business soon and this was extremely helpful. Thanks for the info! Liked and subbed, I'll stay tuned. Edit: Also have family from CT and you remind me of some of my folks!
Helpful, TY. Just a slight correction on your ratio, it’s actually 9:1 not 10:1... if you filled your graduated bucket with 1 gallon chemical and the result is 10 gallons total, then it’s 9:1 which would be slightly stronger shock to water ratio than your stated 10:1 ratio.
Thanks for the info Joe! So I have a 1.8 general pump injector, I did a draw test like you showed and I got a 20:1 ratio. So if I’m right, if I run a full strength 12.5 SH I’ll get .625 at the gun..right? If so, my next question is, is that strong enough for house washing??
@@powerfulimprovements I retested this morning and I was able to get 12:1 with my black tip. My JRod low pressure came out to 20:1, high pressure soap on my JRod came out to 13:1. I got a new siphon tube coming in tomorrow which I think will help since I’m using a cheesey little stock one for now. Think I’ll get me a new JRod and I should be on the right track. Appreciate a your help!
Hi Joe. I know you made this video a while ago so I’m hoping you still see this. In your draw test you said when you emptied the 1 gallon jug you had 10 gallons in the other jug. Wouldn’t that make your draw ratio 9 to 1 instead of 10 to 1? Thanks Joe. I love your videos 👍
I finally threw in the towel on xjetting residential houses. I just purchased my downstream injector and did my pull test. 1 gallon was emptied and I sprayed roughly 22 gallons into my tank. What would be my ratios? Or how do I calculate that? Running a 8gpm machine Awesome video.
Thx for the very informative video. I jist did a drop test. Can you please help me with some extra info? Ive putt a bottle of 1liter and filled 17 liters with it. ( black tip ) How can i make sure that i spray 3% sh (12.5) When i do it with a handpump i normaly putt 1liter sh (12.5) and 3 liters water. It takes a long time. That why i want to use the pressure washer for this. I really hope you have the time to reply. Thx again.
Hello!! Little late to this party, but I do not currently have big tanks like you do. I have to start with 5 gallon buckets and a downstream injector. This is my first year power washing. My question is, just so I know I’m doing the math right, my chemical mix in my 5 gallon bucket would be 3 gallons of SH per 1 gallon of water? Then I also read 1/4 cup of surfactant for every gallon of bleach used.
Great video!!! Quick question, if I'm running 12.5% straight through downstreamer, what is my dwell time on brick and or vinyl siding? Thanks in advance!
Depends on how dirty, how much organic growth there is, but downstreaming is only 1% at tip of gun, which is very weak, dwell time mostly 20-30 min but since it is such a weak mixture sometimes need to reapply
I literally bought the same 15 gallon water jug after seeing this video, lol. I just did the draw test downstreaming a gallon of water and the jug filled up to 12 gallons. My math sucks. What would I be pulling with straight 12.5 SH? Thanks in advance.
First and foremost, love your channel brother. Some things in the video are a bit confusing, and some have commented on it, and I agree. In the video, you say that your ratio is 10:1 (bleach to water). How is that possible when you start with 1 gallon of bleach, and then end up with 10 gallons of water? Should not your ratio read water to bleach? And should not the ratio be 9:1 (9 parts water to 1 part bleach.) If you end up with 10 gallons of water, and 1 gallon of it is bleach, 1 minus 10 is 9...1 part bleach, 9 parts water. You would then add the two numbers of the ratio together, in your case, 9 and the 1, which gives you 10. You would then divide 100 by 10, which is 10. When you subtract 10 from 100, you get 90. The "10" is your bleach, and the "90" left over will be your water ratio, giving you a 9:1, or 90% to 10% (water to bleach) mix. You would then take your bleach number, which would be 10%, and multiply by the percentage of SH that you would have. In your case, you're carrying 12.5% SH. 12.5 times 10 equals 125, which is 1.25% bleach at the tip of the gun if you're pulling straight bleach out of your chemical tank. If you're pulling a straight 10:1 (water to bleach), then in your case, you would add the two ratio numbers (10 and 1) which gives you 11. You would then divide 100 by 11, which gives you roughly 9.09. You then subtract 9.09 from 100, which gives you 90.91. So, 90.91 would be water, and 9.09 would be bleach, a 90.91:9.09. 9.09 times 12.5 equals 113.62, which comes to be 1.13625, basically 1.1% bleach at the tip. Not a big difference from the 9:1 ratio. The test works, just the ratio numbers are out of order. Water to Bleach, not Bleach to Water. Please check me to see if I'm right, hope this helps. You're doing an awesome job brother, keep it up!!!
You’re not wrong. Just over thinking it. Use the easy 10:1 math if you are in the 9-11 range. It truly doesn’t need to be that precise for what we do and just makes it more complicated. 10:1 = roughly 1.25%. Also if we are getting technical, how do you know what % your SH is to start? You can’t test it, might be older 🤷🏼♂️. Just keep it simple. You clearly are smarter than most. Again not wrong.
@@powerfulimprovements I tend to over think things a lot. Your videos inspire me brother, and I appreciate the feed back. I'm now 4 years into my business now, and still learning so much. Your channel is another tool in my tool box. Keep spit'n that wash knowledge, and thank you for what you do my friend, and keep spaying!!!
Hey how’s it going? I’m new to down streaming I have been soft washing for the last three years looking to get into downstream but my numbers are not coming out right I have 2-4 gallon a minute running siamese I’m getting 8.8 gallons a minute when I do my ratio test I’m getting about 17-18.1 on a 2.1 injector how do I do the math to get house wash mix at the tip.
I did a draw test and ended up at 5 gallons. So with a 5:1 ratio how would I mix up a batch? I have 12.5% SH. And also, what are you multiplying or dividing to get that middle number on your notes(9.375, 8.375, 6.25)? Thank you! Love the videos, learning a lot from you
3:1 = 3 parts SH, 1 part Water, meaning 4 parts total. 3 out of 4 parts is the same as saying 3/4, or 75% of the mixture being SH. 75% of 12.5% (base SH strength) = 9.375% effective SH in the batch. Then your 5:1 ratio means you divide 9.375% by 5, which gives you 1.875% effective SH at the wand.
Hey guys, finally gave in and got a downstream injector. I pulled test and pulled a little over 20gallons of water to 1 gallon of 12.5%sh. - using a 8gpm and jrod I am confused and new to downstreaming. I usually xjet but tired of lugging a bucket around.
Thanks for your vid. I’m getting the same 10 to 1 from mine and I was wondering what would be a safe mix so I wouldn’t burn plants or grass. (I know about pre soaking). Looks like 2 to 1 or even 3 to 1 SH to water I should be ok.
The video clears a lot but ive got a few questions. Wouldnt your SH be 9 to 1 if you equall 10 gallons? And if you do your test run and it draws a 20 to 1 ratio how do you increase the draw rate of chemical to 10 to 1. to obtain a 1 percent solution
Hey Joe. Thx for the awesome video Ive been wondering if I can downstrean effectively with so many variables that impact draw rate and therefore no way to tell what I’m shooting. I’m going to do some draws tests now. If u ended up with 10 gallons, Wouldn’t u actually be a little hotter at 9:1 or 1.38? Also, I have to wonder if I throttle down will my SH ratios increase or do u think less gpm will pull less SH? Let me know what u think. Im gonna run several tests
The difference between 9.1 and 10.1 is negligible. 10.1 is just easier math. You really just looking for a range. You’re never going to get a shock that’s perfect anyway. You just need a rough idea.
Im still having trouble finding an answer,,,, so if im using a 5 gallon bucket, how muh SH and how muh water to fill the bucket? Like half gallon sh and the rest water or,,, i dont understand all the 3 percent out of the gun etc stuff yet so im just teying to figure out a good safe mix thats hot enouh to do a vinyl siding with algae and a driveway,, whats a standard mix people use,, every video has giys woh huge 100 gallon tanks and i cant understand the ratios,, im just gonna use a 5 gal bucket and i dint how much sh to get and how much to put in the mix or do i run straight sh if my washer has a built in injector? Thanks in advance!
A draw test will determine what ratio your washer is pulling. If you have a smaller store bought washer with a built in Injector it is likely pulling 20:1. If you were to pull straight shock you’d be around .625 on the house. This will clean but may take more than 1 application
@@powerfulimprovements oh i forgot to ask! Also,,, im pretty sure my generac 2.8gpm has a 20:1 built on injector like you said, is that too diluted if im running straight sh? Would it be better to get an external 10:1 injector and attach it and run straight sh?
For roof washing if I need hotter like 3% what can I do? Is it just hit the area couple of time? As xjet bucket can’t get to roof is too risky carrying stuff while climbing the ladder.
Hey Joe! I just did a test on my 2.5gpm machine and I came out at 6:1. My question for you would be how is that possible? I got a 1.8 injector for the proper gpm but feel as it's drawing too fast. I'd rather not refill buckets all the time. Should I increase dsi size to pull less? Or just dilute my chemical 50-50 to get closer to 1% for housewashing. Thanks!
can someone answer why can't you just downstream straight SH instead of mixing to get more than 1%, and also does that mean if 10:1 your highest you can pull from a powerwasher would be like 2%?
10-1 is a great ratio for vinyl, but when you have a stucco home are you switching out your injector to something with a higher draw? if so which one??
So i did my draw test. For 1 gallon of chem I am putting 12 gallons out of my wand. Woul it be safe to use straight 10.8 shock downstreaming and what would my on the wall % be? Thanks
Hey, would you be able to describe the parts of your pick up line? I am trying to find the right parts, but i am having a little trouble finding them. Thank you.
Hi! I am from Slovakia EU and I started softwashing. My ds ratio is 10:1 and I have 10% sh. So my final percent will be 1%? This is not effective at roofwash or stucco wash
Hi .. ok i have a 4 gpm 4200psi.. its not a belt drive like yours.On my draw today... I got 24 gallons per 1gallon of soap ...So what does that mean..?? Is the injector clogged.? I know my down stream injector is built on there.. So i cant switch it.. feeling a little stuck... What do you say Joe.. Thanks in advance...
Yeah so roughly 20:1 has you putting out .50 at the tip. Won’t clean that great. I’ve heard of some guys plugging the injector. And adding a better one after it. However I don’t have any experience doing it
@@powerfulimprovements just a couple questions I thought of, so is batch mixing just for soft washing? And if you’re using 10% bleach downstream if with a 1:10 pull ratio does that make what you’re spraying only a 1%?
Plan on trying the draw test in the morning. Just wasn't sure because of my bleach is only 10.8% Truly appreciate the help and loving the videos. Will let you know how I make out in the morning. Thanks
Hey Joe, for real bad gutters and such what ratio would you recommend? I deal with mostly people trying to flip houses so their usually in pretty rough shape and I can't seem to get them clean with just one or two passes. Should I increase dwell time? Roughly how long do you let the chemicals sit? Thanks!
@@powerfulimprovements thanks. Just starting and your videos have helped a lot. My four year old daughter asks if we can watch joe Darry with power improvements 😂
@@powerfulimprovements she's more excited about starting this up then me. Said as soon as she's big enough she's working for me. Hey one more question, how long do you typically let the mix dwell? Thanks again
@@powerfulimprovements cool Thank you, do u know if sh is ok on painted aluminum railings on a porch, like gutters too. Is oxalic acid ok for those railings also and is it ok to mix those two sh first rinse then add oxalic acid to a deck or is that bad or piosonous
@@powerfulimprovements cool Thank you, do u know if sh is ok on painted aluminum railings on a porch, like gutters too. Is oxalic acid ok for those railings also and is it ok to mix those two sh first rinse then add oxalic acid to a deck or is that bad or piosonous
How do you come up with those numbers? Im trying to figure out what my percentage is at the end of my gun running 10%SH. And about 7ish to 1 on my bucket test
I added a downstream injector to the machine and I am pulling 5:1 with 10% SH. I figure that is 1.66%SH at the tip. Not really sure now how much to cut the SH with water to get it down below 1% for vinyl siding. Thanks for your help.
Hey bud, I probably be very dump to don’t understand very well.. I am doing it right now at home and I took a milk jar which is 3L and I got 36L out of my gun so my ratio will be 36L per 3 😑 can’t figure it out tho can you help me please?
Well...if I squirt 10 gallons out of my wand while drawing 1 gallon from downstreamer my actual ratio would be 9 gallons water plus the gallon that came from soap jug. So I'd be working with a 9 to 1 ratio not 10 to 1. That would make all the rest of your figures change. You're running a little hotter than you thought. Nevertheless you found a mixture that's been working for you.
Quick question.. say I pretreat a driveway with a DS injector do I just pull the siphon hose out of sh mix and start surface cleaning? Or will it suck to much air while cleaning and need to be in a fresh water bucket? I know I need to rinse it out with fresh h20 after im done but just wondering if the ds injector sucking air affects surface cleaner to bad
Josh Parks at minimum put the ds tube in water. You’ll get better flow to the surface cleaner if you remove the ds injector. Most of us put quick connects on ds so easy to remove
So you’re never shooting more than .9% which seems really weak and he’s right! Not effective for roofs! That means. Downstreaming doesn’t work for roof cleaning! You would have to pump spray after wetting the roof prior. Maybe a little post wetting as well!
I believe, if I heard him correctly, his first number was SH and the second was water. So a 3gal bleach to 1 gal water would be stronger than a 1 gal bleach to 1 gal water
I thought the same but it’s correct. If his first number is his chem then of course the less chem in the mix, the less will be produced out the gun The only math error I’m seeing is writing the ratio as 10:1 to represent 10%, which would be incorrect. It would need to be written 9:1, 9 parts water to 1 part SH for a total of 10 parts. It’s written correctly in the list of mixes (3:1 = 75%, 2:1 = 67%, 1:1 = 50%) but not a huge difference so even if someone is misled I doubt they fry off someone’s siding or flower beds over it ya know
CC customs llc basically correct. Every once in a while I will make a 1% batch and soft wash siding but normally I Downstream lately and only use 12v for roofs
What is a good quality pump for soft washing you would recommend, I seen a diaphragm pump 5gpm 60psi for around 100 bucks or so. Think that'll be worth my time?
@@powerfulimprovements I really need to get a high draw 10:1 or something easier for Calculating ratios really thank you for the tip and your videos they have helped me a ton
Thanks for explaining this brother! Love your channel
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My guy I have been searching countless videos all day trying to understand what downstreaming and how this sh mixing works and this is the first time it’s clicked. THANK YOU
You are welcome. That’s an old one
@@powerfulimprovements do you know where I can buy the 12.5 sh online for a decent price?
@@powerfulimprovements do you know where I can buy the 12.5 sh online for a decent price?
@@powerfulimprovements do you know where I can buy the 12.5 sh online for a decent price?
@@Jg-gb3gp I do not. Local pool store
Thank you Joe! Finally, somebody that could explain this in a simple and straightforward way. You just improved my pressure washing life! ST
I’m happy to hear that
Excellent video, Joe. Its been fun watching you grow and learn, and then turn around and give it all back to us. I'd put you in the same class of people as Billy Davidson in Louisiana. He's also an awesome guy and great teacher as well. Keep up the great work!
S Lawrence much appreciated. I’ll look Billy Davidson up
finally someone explained this mixing process I am in NYC and I recently added power washing to the retail store front where I am doing floor maintenance, this was a great video and I am doing it tomorrow 😂
That was the best explanation. Thanks Joe
Pro Wash thank you. Hope it helps
Joe, another great video. So many people do not do the bucket test and have no idea of their ratio. Keep up the good work and keep the content coming!
Grip's Clips thank you. Hope it helps somebody
Very simple but accurate way to calculate the strength of the mix. Thanks
Thank you
best video on ratios i have seen. thanks this just helped me out.
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Thanks for the numbers. I like it. Just a few things to consider (you May have mentioned it, and I missed it).
1. Running a 1.8 injector will cause you to draw more SH
2. The hose length will make a difference.
3. Your pressure at the pump will make a difference. Less pressure means more draw.
Thanks again brother!
Mike Carmody Thanks Mike. Yes all of those things are absolutely factors. That’s why the first step of doing a draw test is key. As you know. I really appreciate your input.
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Is longer or shorter hose better draw on SH, thanks.
@@stephenoneill2931 Longer = less
2000 psi seems the best middle range or even throttle down the machine. Sounds right fresh rinse ? 200ft draws fine for me. 👍🏼
Another excellent, informative video Joe, thank you!
Razur906 my pleasure
Dude your amazing!! Thank you for the simple explanation!
Andrew Jenkins hope it helps. Z😂
Great video Joe! 2nd year in business and great to see another CT man killing it! Hope to see you out and about and let’s make 2022 a great year!
Thank you Jason. Where are you?
Thank you so much Joe tons of very valuable information as usual
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Joe I promise what you are teaching is like Pepsi it’s a brand name lol... thanks for sharing it’s going to go a long way for me.
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Hey, first video of yours I've seen. Starting a pressure washing business soon and this was extremely helpful. Thanks for the info! Liked and subbed, I'll stay tuned.
Edit: Also have family from CT and you remind me of some of my folks!
Nice. Welcome aboard. This video is about 2 years old. Lots of updated new content
One vid best than the other. Very helpful! Thanks again!
Wow. This is so helpful thank you. I just started and this is great help
Glad to help
Video was very helpful!!! Thanks Joe
Derrick Bell you’re welcome
In order to do roofing you need soft wash setup so you can increase strength of the mix
Excellent information!!! Thank you for sharing
Great information. Thanks for taking the time to enlighten.
The Bradley’s no problem!
Excellent video thanks
Great Video! Do you add a surfactant to the downstream batch mix?
I used to
Thanks a lot, mate, well explained
Great video! Thanks
Thank you !!!!
Great Video Joe!
Jon Dykes thank you!
how did you come up with the 9.375 column.
Great breakdown! Thank you.
Kevin K hope it helps
Thanks Joe!
Hi. Thanks for your heard work
Great video ! Thanks
Helpful, TY. Just a slight correction on your ratio, it’s actually 9:1 not 10:1... if you filled your graduated bucket with 1 gallon chemical and the result is 10 gallons total, then it’s 9:1 which would be slightly stronger shock to water ratio than your stated 10:1 ratio.
True but overthinking it. The difference is so minute and imperceptible. 10:1 is easy math
Thanks for the info Joe! So I have a 1.8 general pump injector, I did a draw test like you showed and I got a 20:1 ratio. So if I’m right, if I run a full strength 12.5 SH I’ll get .625 at the gun..right? If so, my next question is, is that strong enough for house washing??
Your math is correct. That will work but is a little weak. What gpm machine are you running?
@@powerfulimprovements 2.5 gpm
@@powerfulimprovements I retested this morning and I was able to get 12:1 with my black tip. My JRod low pressure came out to 20:1, high pressure soap on my JRod came out to 13:1. I got a new siphon tube coming in tomorrow which I think will help since I’m using a cheesey little stock one for now. Think I’ll get me a new JRod and I should be on the right track. Appreciate a your help!
Hi Joe. I know you made this video a while ago so I’m hoping you still see this.
In your draw test you said when you emptied the 1 gallon jug you had 10 gallons in the other jug. Wouldn’t that make your draw ratio 9 to 1 instead of 10 to 1? Thanks Joe. I love your videos 👍
Yes. Correct. But 10:1 is easy math for most guys and honestly is close enough
@@powerfulimprovements thanks I appreciate it. I’m sure you hear this all the time but you are an inspiration and I really mean that.
Hello Joe. I’m looking at your draw test and I’m wondering how you did the math, please help me
What’s a good percentage for a house wash and what’s a good percentage for roof eash
1% house. 5-6% roof
I finally threw in the towel on xjetting residential houses. I just purchased my downstream injector and did my pull test. 1 gallon was emptied and I sprayed roughly 22 gallons into my tank. What would be my ratios? Or how do I calculate that?
Running a 8gpm machine
Awesome video.
What size injector? Far too weak. 12.5 divided by 22 is .57%
@@powerfulimprovements it’s a 2.3
Thanks for taking the time to respond!
@@zachwilliams9631 try a 1.8 and a 2.1. Also be sure you don’t have any air leak
@@powerfulimprovements awesome, thank you. Definitely didn’t seem right. I will let you know how it goes after I try that. Thanks again
Thx for the very informative video. I jist did a drop test. Can you please help me with some extra info? Ive putt a bottle of 1liter and filled 17 liters with it. ( black tip ) How can i make sure that i spray 3% sh (12.5) When i do it with a handpump i normaly putt 1liter sh (12.5) and 3 liters water. It takes a long time. That why i want to use the pressure washer for this. I really hope you have the time to reply. Thx again.
So thats 0.26 gallon. I filled 4.49 gallon.
You won’t get 3% with a pressure washer. You’ll need a 12 volt system
@@powerfulimprovements what is a 12v system? Im new to the business ;)
Hello!! Little late to this party, but I do not currently have big tanks like you do. I have to start with 5 gallon buckets and a downstream injector. This is my first year power washing. My question is, just so I know I’m doing the math right, my chemical mix in my 5 gallon bucket would be 3 gallons of SH per 1 gallon of water? Then I also read 1/4 cup of surfactant for every gallon of bleach used.
Great video!!! Quick question, if I'm running 12.5% straight through downstreamer, what is my dwell time on brick and or vinyl siding? Thanks in advance!
completely depends on what your pull rate is on your machine? Figure that how how he showed at the beginning of the video.
Depends on how dirty, how much organic growth there is, but downstreaming is only 1% at tip of gun, which is very weak, dwell time mostly 20-30 min but since it is such a weak mixture sometimes need to reapply
@@stephenoneill2931 Na more like 10 minutes at most 20-30 it will be dry.
Good explanation!
I literally bought the same 15 gallon water jug after seeing this video, lol. I just did the draw test downstreaming a gallon of water and the jug filled up to 12 gallons.
My math sucks. What would I be pulling with straight 12.5 SH?
Thanks in advance.
Roughly 1%. Perfect
@@powerfulimprovements thanks again for guidance in preparing for a successful Pressurewashing season
First and foremost, love your channel brother. Some things in the video are a bit confusing, and some have commented on it, and I agree. In the video, you say that your ratio is 10:1 (bleach to water). How is that possible when you start with 1 gallon of bleach, and then end up with 10 gallons of water? Should not your ratio read water to bleach? And should not the ratio be 9:1 (9 parts water to 1 part bleach.) If you end up with 10 gallons of water, and 1 gallon of it is bleach, 1 minus 10 is 9...1 part bleach, 9 parts water. You would then add the two numbers of the ratio together, in your case, 9 and the 1, which gives you 10. You would then divide 100 by 10, which is 10. When you subtract 10 from 100, you get 90. The "10" is your bleach, and the "90" left over will be your water ratio, giving you a 9:1, or 90% to 10% (water to bleach) mix. You would then take your bleach number, which would be 10%, and multiply by the percentage of SH that you would have. In your case, you're carrying 12.5% SH. 12.5 times 10 equals 125, which is 1.25% bleach at the tip of the gun if you're pulling straight bleach out of your chemical tank.
If you're pulling a straight 10:1 (water to bleach), then in your case, you would add the two ratio numbers (10 and 1) which gives you 11. You would then divide 100 by 11, which gives you roughly 9.09. You then subtract 9.09 from 100, which gives you 90.91. So, 90.91 would be water, and 9.09 would be bleach, a 90.91:9.09. 9.09 times 12.5 equals 113.62, which comes to be 1.13625, basically 1.1% bleach at the tip. Not a big difference from the 9:1 ratio. The test works, just the ratio numbers are out of order. Water to Bleach, not Bleach to Water. Please check me to see if I'm right, hope this helps. You're doing an awesome job brother, keep it up!!!
You’re not wrong. Just over thinking it. Use the easy 10:1 math if you are in the 9-11 range. It truly doesn’t need to be that precise for what we do and just makes it more complicated. 10:1 = roughly 1.25%. Also if we are getting technical, how do you know what % your SH is to start? You can’t test it, might be older 🤷🏼♂️. Just keep it simple. You clearly are smarter than most. Again not wrong.
@@powerfulimprovements I tend to over think things a lot. Your videos inspire me brother, and I appreciate the feed back. I'm now 4 years into my business now, and still learning so much. Your channel is another tool in my tool box. Keep spit'n that wash knowledge, and thank you for what you do my friend, and keep spaying!!!
@@deedwards1981 right on Dan and thank you for following and engaging. We can all learn from each other
Hey how’s it going? I’m new to down streaming I have been soft washing for the last three years looking to get into downstream but my numbers are not coming out right I have 2-4 gallon a minute running siamese I’m getting 8.8 gallons a minute when I do my ratio test I’m getting about 17-18.1 on a 2.1 injector how do I do the math to get house wash mix at the tip.
Very helpful!
Thank you
I did a draw test and ended up at 5 gallons. So with a 5:1 ratio how would I mix up a batch? I have 12.5% SH. And also, what are you multiplying or dividing to get that middle number on your notes(9.375, 8.375, 6.25)? Thank you! Love the videos, learning a lot from you
Did you ever figure out how he was getting the middle number?
I’m wondering as well. My manual states it’s 7:1 but that middle number is the mystery
3:1 = 3 parts SH, 1 part Water, meaning 4 parts total. 3 out of 4 parts is the same as saying 3/4, or 75% of the mixture being SH. 75% of 12.5% (base SH strength) = 9.375% effective SH in the batch. Then your 5:1 ratio means you divide 9.375% by 5, which gives you 1.875% effective SH at the wand.
@@silentslinky77 Thanks for the explanation!
Hey guys, finally gave in and got a downstream injector. I pulled test and pulled a little over 20gallons of water to 1 gallon of 12.5%sh. - using a 8gpm and jrod
I am confused and new to downstreaming. I usually xjet but tired of lugging a bucket around.
Novice here. What strength sh for wood fence? Thanks
Start at 1%
Great information.
Glad it was helpful!
Can we use chemical injector and foam cannon together to get a hotter mix? Plz help
You’ll need to experiment
@@powerfulimprovements thank you 🙏 will update you
great video correct 100%
TheGravygun thank you
Thanks for your vid.
I’m getting the same 10 to 1 from mine and I was wondering what would be a safe mix so I wouldn’t burn plants or grass. (I know about pre soaking).
Looks like 2 to 1 or even 3 to 1 SH to water I should be ok.
You can pull straight
What ratio of shock would you need to run to clean a roof with 10:1 coming from your gun ? Or would you have to change your setup?
Thanks!
You’re welcome!
The video clears a lot but ive got a few questions. Wouldnt your SH be 9 to 1 if you equall 10 gallons? And if you do your test run and it draws a 20 to 1 ratio how do you increase the draw rate of chemical to 10 to 1. to obtain a 1 percent solution
Don’t overthink think it. Do the easy math. You will need a different sized injectors to change draw ratios
@@powerfulimprovements thnks that sums it up for me.
@@powerfulimprovementsin a 5 gallon bucket how much 10% SH I need to wash a vinyl house? I hear it's 1% so I need a half a gallon right ?
Hey Joe. Thx for the awesome video Ive been wondering if I can downstrean effectively with so many variables that impact draw rate and therefore no way to tell what I’m shooting. I’m going to do some draws tests now. If u ended up with 10 gallons, Wouldn’t u actually be a little hotter at 9:1 or 1.38? Also, I have to wonder if I throttle down will my SH ratios increase or do u think less gpm will pull less SH? Let me know what u think. Im gonna run several tests
The difference between 9.1 and 10.1 is negligible. 10.1 is just easier math. You really just looking for a range. You’re never going to get a shock that’s perfect anyway. You just need a rough idea.
Im still having trouble finding an answer,,,, so if im using a 5 gallon bucket, how muh SH and how muh water to fill the bucket? Like half gallon sh and the rest water or,,, i dont understand all the 3 percent out of the gun etc stuff yet so im just teying to figure out a good safe mix thats hot enouh to do a vinyl siding with algae and a driveway,, whats a standard mix people use,, every video has giys woh huge 100 gallon tanks and i cant understand the ratios,, im just gonna use a 5 gal bucket and i dint how much sh to get and how much to put in the mix or do i run straight sh if my washer has a built in injector? Thanks in advance!
A draw test will determine what ratio your washer is pulling. If you have a smaller store bought washer with a built in Injector it is likely pulling 20:1. If you were to pull straight shock you’d be around .625 on the house. This will clean but may take more than 1 application
@@powerfulimprovements oh i forgot to ask! Also,,, im pretty sure my generac 2.8gpm has a 20:1 built on injector like you said, is that too diluted if im running straight sh? Would it be better to get an external 10:1 injector and attach it and run straight sh?
@@cbosmooth adding a second injector won’t work. You’ll need to upgrade
Joe are using a 5gpm or an 8gpm for D.S. in this video.
5.5
Thank you!
Thanks for the mix information!What pump do you use for your 12 volt system?
Danny Meece Gen 2. Has 5gpm pump
Thanks for the pump info!
For roof washing if I need hotter like 3% what can I do? Is it just hit the area couple of time? As xjet bucket can’t get to roof is too risky carrying stuff while climbing the ladder.
Use a pump sprayer
@@powerfulimprovements looks like that’s the only option 😅
Unless you want to get into a proper 12volt pump
@@powerfulimprovements I probably get that after
Hey Joe! I just did a test on my 2.5gpm machine and I came out at 6:1. My question for you would be how is that possible? I got a 1.8 injector for the proper gpm but feel as it's drawing too fast. I'd rather not refill buckets all the time. Should I increase dsi size to pull less? Or just dilute my chemical 50-50 to get closer to 1% for housewashing. Thanks!
Try a bigger injector. Always good to have a few sizes. 2.1 & 2.3
Thank you for the info, i had a question do you use surfactant and if so how much you add to it?
We do use Elemonator now as surfactant. This video is over a year ago. We use very little soap
@@powerfulimprovements got you, thank you so much. I appreciate it. God bless
can someone answer why can't you just downstream straight SH instead of mixing to get more than 1%, and also does that mean if 10:1 your highest you can pull from a powerwasher would be like 2%?
You can pull straight SH and at 10:1 you’d be at roughly 1.15
10-1 is a great ratio for vinyl, but when you have a stucco home are you switching out your injector to something with a higher draw? if so which one??
I would use my 12volt or Xjet if something hotter is needed
So i did my draw test. For 1 gallon of chem I am putting 12 gallons out of my wand. Woul it be safe to use straight 10.8 shock downstreaming and what would my on the wall % be? Thanks
Danny Roberts Pressure Washing you’ll be roughly .9 which is perfect
Thanks so much. Going to try it on a house tomorrow. I will let you know how it goes. Thanks again
@@RedSandAdventures how’d it go?
hey so I'm new to this and would like some insight I did a draw test and I've got a 20:1 and I have 12.5 SH what would be the math to use
12.5 divided by 20. Is .625
@@powerfulimprovements I appreciate you taking the time to reply back. I was overthinking the equation smh
@@devinnestle8159 yeah. Keep it simple at all costs 😂✌🏼❤️
So am I putting 3 gallons of shock and 1 gallon of water in a 5 gallon bucket and putting my clear downstream tube in the bucket?
WoWdem101 have you done a draw test? Are you 10:1? Are you using 12.5% SH?
Hey, would you be able to describe the parts of your pick up line? I am trying to find the right parts, but i am having a little trouble finding them. Thank you.
Hey Joe, did you make that drop stick ?
Powerwashstore
Hi! I am from Slovakia EU and I started softwashing. My ds ratio is 10:1 and I have 10% sh. So my final percent will be 1%? This is not effective at roofwash or stucco wash
That’s correct. You will need a 12 volt system to achieve higher ratio
What Would happen if you use more SH than you need? And how Do you know What amount to use?
Clyde Williams 1% works for almost everything. Always start weak and increase % as needed
Hi .. ok i have a 4 gpm 4200psi.. its not a belt drive like yours.On my draw today... I got 24 gallons per 1gallon of soap ...So what does that mean..?? Is the injector clogged.? I know my down stream injector is built on there.. So i cant switch it.. feeling a little stuck... What do you say Joe.. Thanks in advance...
Yeah so roughly 20:1 has you putting out .50 at the tip. Won’t clean that great. I’ve heard of some guys plugging the injector. And adding a better one after it. However I don’t have any experience doing it
Isn’t a 9.37% mix too strong for siding? I always heard you need to use about a 1.5-2% mix on siding
We are talking about reducing 12.5% shock to less than 10% of its potency. Which puts us around 1-1.25%
@@powerfulimprovements oh I see thanks I’m about to start this year and trying to figure this stuff out
@@TheseOldCards so if you buy 1 gallon of shock. That is 12.5% And you add 9-10 gallons of water. You be right around 1-.1-25% ish.
@@powerfulimprovements just a couple questions I thought of, so is batch mixing just for soft washing? And if you’re using 10% bleach downstream if with a 1:10 pull ratio does that make what you’re spraying only a 1%?
@@TheseOldCards 1% is correct
Roughly, what do you recommend the mix be for driveways, sidewalks?
2%
@@powerfulimprovements awesome thank you
I have 10.8% shock and a 6 gpm pressure washer. Do you think it would be safe to just downstream straight shock ? Also using m5ds twist nozzle tip.
Danny Roberts Pressure Washing gotta do the draw test first or you are just guessing
Plan on trying the draw test in the morning. Just wasn't sure because of my bleach is only 10.8%
Truly appreciate the help and loving the videos. Will let you know how I make out in the morning. Thanks
When you say shock are you talking about the same shocked that goes into pools?
Liquid pool shock
Ty
Hey Joe, for real bad gutters and such what ratio would you recommend? I deal with mostly people trying to flip houses so their usually in pretty rough shape and I can't seem to get them clean with just one or two passes. Should I increase dwell time? Roughly how long do you let the chemicals sit? Thanks!
Joshua Decker 1 or 2 passes with a nice 1% Downstreaming house wash should do it. If not hit it with a 12volt batch at 2%
@@powerfulimprovements thanks. Just starting and your videos have helped a lot. My four year old daughter asks if we can watch joe Darry with power improvements 😂
Joshua Decker oh my lord 😂❤️ I love hearing stuff like that. Enjoy your family every chance you get
@@powerfulimprovements she's more excited about starting this up then me. Said as soon as she's big enough she's working for me. Hey one more question, how long do you typically let the mix dwell? Thanks again
the downstream injector u have is just a nipple no spring or ball that works ok
The injector has a ball and Spring
@@powerfulimprovements cool Thank you, do u know if sh is ok on painted aluminum railings on a porch, like gutters too. Is oxalic acid ok for those railings also and is it ok to mix those two sh first rinse then add oxalic acid to a deck or is that bad or piosonous
@@powerfulimprovements cool Thank you, do u know if sh is ok on painted aluminum railings on a porch, like gutters too. Is oxalic acid ok for those railings also and is it ok to mix those two sh first rinse then add oxalic acid to a deck or is that bad or piosonous
Thanks!
How do you come up with those numbers? Im trying to figure out what my percentage is at the end of my gun running 10%SH. And about 7ish to 1 on my bucket test
If you’re pulling 7:1 that’s hot. You’ll be 1.25-1.50 at the tip
@@powerfulimprovements thanks thats extremely helpful
Wht mix would be needed for a barrel tile roof ?
I am at 12:1 and using 10% SH. Can I just draw straight SH?
Yes sir
Awesome. Thanks
I added a downstream injector to the machine and I am pulling 5:1 with 10% SH. I figure that is 1.66%SH at the tip. Not really sure now how much to cut the SH with water to get it down below 1% for vinyl siding. Thanks for your help.
@@Tuffy628 a little less than 50/50 should work. What size machine are you running 5:1 is hot
2700 psi and 2.8 gpm. It is the downstream injector that is pulling so hot.
This is a great video man!
Hey bud, I probably be very dump to don’t understand very well.. I am doing it right now at home and I took a milk jar which is 3L and I got 36L out of my gun so my ratio will be 36L per 3 😑 can’t figure it out tho can you help me please?
Roughly 10:1
@@powerfulimprovements hey bud, how do you do this calculation?!
Well...if I squirt 10 gallons out of my wand while drawing 1 gallon from downstreamer my actual ratio would be 9 gallons water plus the gallon that came from soap jug. So I'd be working with a 9 to 1 ratio not 10 to 1. That would make all the rest of your figures change. You're running a little hotter than you thought. Nevertheless you found a mixture that's been working for you.
How did you get the 3:1=9.375 calculation?
3 parts shock at 12.5% and 1 part water makes a 9.375 batch. You take 12.5 times .75 = 9.375
@@powerfulimprovements Thank you!! You just cleared up a lot of questions for me
Okay so if I want 1% for a 5 gallon bucket I have 10:1 ratio pressure washer..how much pool essentials gallons and how much water?
rsookdd what % is pool essentials shock? 10%?
Yes
Maybe little less it was on the shelf probably long time
rsookdd so if you run it straight with no water 10:1 should get you 1% at the tip
@@powerfulimprovements is that downstreaming?
Will the 1.25 kill grass and plants
Bender Professional Services potentially yes. Must rinse
So straight SH is NOT affective on roofs, little confused?? I mean you can't go any stronger then straight SH, can you?? Or am i missing something?
You can’t get hot enough Downstreaming to do a roof. Even straight sh is tooooo diluted with water from Downstreaming
@@powerfulimprovements uh huh, that makes sense. Thanks for replying so quickly, appreciate it and love the videos!
@@Aus_Dan you got it Dan
What percentage will you be at when you start getting into the danger zone for grass and plants and even yourself??
2% is hot. But you need to be conscious even at 1%. Rinse everything
Hey joe where do you get your DS injectors?
Pressuretek
@@powerfulimprovements the adams or gp hi draw? Thx for the response buddy
Josh Parks gp 2.1
Quick question.. say I pretreat a driveway with a DS injector do I just pull the siphon hose out of sh mix and start surface cleaning? Or will it suck to much air while cleaning and need to be in a fresh water bucket? I know I need to rinse it out with fresh h20 after im done but just wondering if the ds injector sucking air affects surface cleaner to bad
Josh Parks at minimum put the ds tube in water. You’ll get better flow to the surface cleaner if you remove the ds injector. Most of us put quick connects on ds so easy to remove
And I'm pretty sure if you did a draw test and got 10 gallons your ratio would be 9 to 1 because there's 9 gallons of water one gallon of chemical
Steve. 10:1 is easy math. It’s not rocket science and you are splitting hairs
We are down here in the south wear flip-flops is the standard Footwear gives us an extra 10 digits like having a built-in calculator
@@stevewood3170 😂😂✌🏼❤️
Joe that ratio would be 9:1 wouldn't it ? 10 gallons total
From your injector
Technically yes. But you’re over thinking it. Minutely different. Use the easy math.
@@powerfulimprovements
Was second guessing myself not you . Lol . And yes very minute at that small of batch I agree whole numbers !
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I am running 15 to 1 with a 4000 PSI 4 gallons per minute my plan is to run it straight from the bleach tank why wouldn’t you do the same thing?
I’m pulling 10:1
So you’re never shooting more than .9% which seems really weak and he’s right! Not effective for roofs! That means. Downstreaming doesn’t work for roof cleaning! You would have to pump spray after wetting the roof prior. Maybe a little post wetting as well!
✌Thank You!✌
I'm no rocket scientist but I think your numbers are not right 3 to 1 ratio would be a lower number than 1 to 1
I believe, if I heard him correctly, his first number was SH and the second was water. So a 3gal bleach to 1 gal water would be stronger than a 1 gal bleach to 1 gal water
I thought the same but it’s correct. If his first number is his chem then of course the less chem in the mix, the less will be produced out the gun
The only math error I’m seeing is writing the ratio as 10:1 to represent 10%, which would be incorrect. It would need to be written 9:1, 9 parts water to 1 part SH for a total of 10 parts. It’s written correctly in the list of mixes (3:1 = 75%, 2:1 = 67%, 1:1 = 50%) but not a huge difference so even if someone is misled I doubt they fry off someone’s siding or flower beds over it ya know
Hey Joe, what % are you shooting on your roofs?
CC customs llc typically 4-5%
So just with roofs you are 12 volting? And then using the gas powered for the rest of the other stuff?
CC customs llc basically correct. Every once in a while I will make a 1% batch and soft wash siding but normally I Downstream lately and only use 12v for roofs
What is a good quality pump for soft washing you would recommend, I seen a diaphragm pump 5gpm 60psi for around 100 bucks or so. Think that'll be worth my time?
CC customs llc sounds like a great start. Mine are 5 at 45
How do I calculate for a 7 to 1 injector ratios make my brain hurt please help
Just keep it simple and rough. If you’re pulling 12.5% at 7:1 use % x 1.3. Gets you 1.5 - 1.625 at the tip. Add water to reduce.
@@powerfulimprovements thank you 🙏
@@powerfulimprovements I really need to get a high draw 10:1 or something easier for Calculating ratios really thank you for the tip and your videos they have helped me a ton
What is your set up that’s achieved 7:1?
@@powerfulimprovements it’s the std down stream kit on my machine I’ve called many times to make sure
Hold up ain't sh and shock the same thing
Yep
@Powerful Improvements oh so in the video your saying e Gallons of bleach with 1 gallon of Sh had me all confused you missworded it
Thats 9 to 1
You’re splitting hairs