Yeah these are similar to the highest loadings Ive been able to find that are safe for a fully supported barrel. People dont get that .40 S&W is def a 800+ foot pound capable cartridge lol. I was checking out some guys loadings for .40 and saw people were getting up to 720 fpe / 1550 fps for a 135 grain out of a 4”, and 866 fpe/1700 fps out of a 6” barrel. For 155 grain, they were getting 826 fpe and 1550 fps out of the 6” and 674 fpe and 1400 fps out of the 4”. For 165 grain they were getting 667 fpe and 1350 fps out of the 4”, all the tested with. For 180 gr, they were getting 675 fpe and 1300 fps out of the 6” and 528 fpe and 1150 fps out of the 4”. For 200 grain, 639 fpe and 1200 fps out of the 6”, and 537 fpe and 1100 fps out of the 4”. Your loadings are very similar to this. Im going to get into hand loading for .40 cuz I want these super powerful .40 loads
10mm is a marketing gimmick. This just proves that. Any off the shelf 10mm ammo is printing only maybe 80fps faster than a 40s&w in the same barrel. Why the FBI and law enforcement agencies are following the 9mm I will never know. Hey, whatever. I picked up a KY state police gen 4 G35 with nightsights today for 375$. And it was unissued. So all you 40 haters, let the hate flow. You all have made 40 cheaper than 9mm for all of us.
Marketing gimmick lol. .40 wouldn’t exist without 10mm it’s the parent case. Properly loaded 10mm has 20% more kinetic energy than .40. 10mm is about the same price as .40 when comparing similar ammunition. You don’t know what you’re talking about ma.
@@DarkArtsDeepDivefully supported barrel you can safely get these numbers from .40. Over 800 fpe from 6” and over 700 from 4” I was checking out some guys loadings for .40 and saw people were getting up to 720 fpe / 1550 fps for a 135 grain out of a 4”, and 866 fpe/1700 fps out of a 6” barrel. For 155 grain, they were getting 826 fpe and 1550 fps out of the 6” and 674 fpe and 1400 fps out of the 4”. For 165 grain they were getting 667 fpe and 1350 fps out of the 4”, all the tested with. For 180 gr, they were getting 675 fpe and 1300 fps out of the 6” and 528 fpe and 1150 fps out of the 4”. For 200 grain, 639 fpe and 1200 fps out of the 6”, and 537 fpe and 1100 fps out of the 4”. Even with the 4” and 155 and 165 you’re still getting 674 and 667 fpe. And for 180 over 500 is real good. You’re limited on .40 for sure with the 4” but you can still get good numbers the lower you go.
@@SuperD00DThere’s no such thing as a fully supported barrel in an autoloading pistol such as these. If they were trully fully supported they wouldn’t feed from a magazine. You’re mentioning proof loads that are using compressed powder which will eventually cause case ruptures.
this is exactly what the manufacturers dont want to get out there..that the 40 is capable of so much more than people know. and they say there is no real difference between the 9 and 40 .....
@@Wildwestwrangler possibly when they were converting 9s into 40s. but that was 20 years ago. 40s that can't pass the pressure test don't make it to market. barrels and frames handle the same pressure as their 9 counterparts, less than the 9+p. no, that excuse doesn't fly anymore
@@DarkArtsDeepDiveit’s true. They want u to buy 9mm. They load .40 and 10mm to the same pressures and basically 9mm +p and if you’re lucky +p+ pressures. Only Underwood, doubletap, and buffalo bore load decently. Underwood .40 s&w 135 gr nosler is 675 fpe from 4.9” barrel and 589 from 3.4”. And it’s saami spec and just fine in a stock Glock. Oh who looks silly now?
That's pretty freakin awesome. For the 135 Noslers, how many of longshot are you using? 1650fps? That's hotter than a Corbon. How's the Glock holding up? Is that lone wolf some custom thing with an upscaled chamber to handle the higher pressures? Are you running 40 s&w brass, or trimmed down 10mm with the bigger primer?
Slightly above Hodgdons website book max, Glock shows no signs of excessive wear, I’ve killed 2 bears with it. Standard Lone Wolf .40 cal barrel and once fired .40 s&w brass.
Sig 180 Grain FMJs are doing anywhere from 1280-1325 FPS out of a Glock 20. Those are the best 10mm factory FMJs I have found. Your .40s are almost that strong out of only a slightly longer barrel.
I like it! That's more muzzle energy than most 357 magnum revolvers! I suspected that 40 could replicate 10mm, without any major hazards, as long as bullets are not seated any deeper in the case, but it's a lot like that quote from Raiders of the Lost Ark: "Asps! Very Dangerous! YOU go first!"
Yes 4” can only get 528 fpe or so from 180s whereas it can get 720 from 135 grain. 6” barrel can do around 675 fpe with 180 gr and 866 fpe for 135 grain.
The problem with 40 S&W and 10mm is that the bullets are seated waay farthur into the casing than they need to be. Where a bullet sits in a 10mm casing, it can sit in a 40 S&W casing and still have enough casing to hold onto the bullet, giving you the same powder capacity as a standard 10mm in a 40 S&W casing. This goes for 10mm as well, the bullet is seated so far into the casing, wasting space, when it could be seated not as deep and give you even more powder capacity than a standard 10mm round will. Both of these cartridges could be essentially "UPGRADED" by re-engineering how far the bullets are seated. Seat the bullet on a 40 S&W to get the same overall length of a 10mm, and you get the same space for powder behind the bullet as a 10mm. I think they engineered it wrong from the get-go. The other issue is that they engineered pistols and magazines around the wrongly engineered 40 S&W and 10mm cartridges.
Top notch work. I knew the 40 could handle it. I'm doing the same thing with 45 acp. The cartridges can do more than advertised. Yes...of course...gotta be smart about it. Also...the compact frame with the longer full size slide is catching on all over. My 9mm is like that. I love it.
Yess my Glock 23 is so much more concealable than my Sig P365 X Macro. And I bought that to be more concealable!!! Lol. Go figure Being weaker, harder to conceal, and having more recoil (I find 620 foot pound out of 4” Underwood 135 gr nosler, 675 fpe out of 4.9” and 589 out of 3.4” to kick less than standard 9mm out of the Sig. and forget +p 9mm in the Sig, it breaks your flipping finger!!! ) Idk what’s up with that gun but it doesn’t really serve me any purpose. I should sell it.
Nice job! Those are crazy velocities though. I'm a bit of a pansy and would stick with Underwood or BBore for my .40's. But damn, man you did "the impossible" and your gun didn't blow up. Seriously impressive! ☺️
Only reason it would blow is stock glock barrel. With the Lone Wolf hes fine. I need to grab an older Glock 22. My Gen 5 23 has no Lone wolf barrels yet. I did find another brand not sure how good they are
@@hivelswordahhhh gotteeeem. Yeah, .40 just has no r&d invested in it by ammo companies since way back when, and is loaded to pressures safe for a gen 1 glock 😂 and basically been stuck there. At least Underwood 135 gr jhp hits 675 fpe out of a 5” but there is obviously even more being left on the table. But that is a good consolation prizen
I love it! And I love that you are doing it to your guns so I don't have to do it to mine. LOL. It is great to see that a factory gun will contain this amount of power without catastrophic failure. I wouldn't kid myself though. There is no free lunch. That much power in what is essentially a converted 9mm pistol will have to accelerate wear. Even max standard pressure .40 is hard on pistols compared to the original 9mm version. IMO, that and ammo cost are the major reasons LE has run back to the 9mm. As someone who won't run a bajillion rounds through his pistol, the economics don't matter so much to me...within reason. I doubt I'll wear out my 5" M&P. I haven't gone beyond book max loads but they are far more stout than most factory ammo. Alliant Power Pistol works great at this level. I got a little more fps with Longshot but it did not group as well. I have settled on 155 gr bullets but will have to consider 135gr as well. 180 seems like too much for most uses and eats up case capacity, although at the velocity you are getting it is hard to criticize other than possible pistol longevity. Great experimenting that you are doing. I'm subscribed and will check out more of your work.
I think the wear and tear will depend on the piece. With a Glock? Yeah, you're probably on borrowed time fairly quickly. With an HK, I wouldn't worry about it in the least. However, there is also a significant price difference, and a USP full size is a bit bigger and heavier than a Glock full size of the same calibre (Glock 22?). But you get what you pay for. In this case, a piece that has a higher probability of longevity when using hotter than factory ammo.
Im not far from Garden Valley (near Boise) and Ive got a 6 inch 40s&w KKM barrel... you are welcome to use it if you want to meet up. I would love to see if there is much of a velocity difference going up the extra 2/3rds of an inch. I know I don't see much of a bump with underwood stuff when I go from my 4.6 barrel to the 6 inch barrel.
@@JasonSpitzMI50 But you obviously had found out that the 40 would not chamber in a 10 and so to kind I informed you that it will work the other way. If you own a 10mm, shooting .40s can be a lot cheaper. So I am sorry if my answer offended; or maybe lol not so sorry considering your response.
I have a Glock 20 with 6 in kkm 24 lb spring. I get 1425 with 180 xtp. That 40 load is pretty close. I usually shoot a 40 conversion barrel with 180 over 7.5 LS. Powder. For 1150+. Save my starline 10 brass for the real loads. Cheers.
I’ll bet if you loaded up some 180 gr hardcast with your full power load, you’d get over 1500 fps. I always get more velocity out of the hardcast over the XTP.
Man this is so sick. And it’s probably only even like normal +p 38,500 psi. SAAMI spec 135 gr’s is 675 fpe out of a 4.9”. So the big companies load to .45 acp pressure or something lol… Even though the energy is tiny bit lower Im still more impressed with the 180’s. I thought it was impossible. Around 740 fpe for the 180 and 820 fpe for the 135 gr. Impressive. I thought 180 was capped around 580 fpe absolute max
If you go to Hogdons website and use their max loads with a 5.3” aftermarket barrel and run them over a chrony, you’ll be dang close. My loads are slightly over max but I have safely worked them up over the years to be safe in my guns.
Doubletap and buffalo bore 10mm numbers. Def better than their .40’s. Closest is underwood 135 gr. Rated at 588 fpe but it actually hits 675 out of a 4.9” barrel, AZ AIRGUNNER just tested it 4 days ago and got 675 fpe out of 4.9”. Awesome loads. .40 just has no r&d from ammo companies for decades now and loaded to gen 1 glock safe pressures. It’s fully capable of +p and +p+ pressures just like 9mm and this is what you get. Normal .40 from factory is barely better and quite often weaker than most 9mm +p+ which is stupid. Only that underwood and maybe some buffalo bore pulls far ahead. And you’re somewhat right about the doubletap. Look to also hit just over 600 foot pounds from 4.5”. But these loads are what you get from true +p and +p+ .40
what do you think of the 9x25 Dillon have you ever had a chance to work with the load. I'm think of getting a 9x25 long wolf barrel for my glock 20. Any thoughts.
Lilmonch06 The 9x25 is a smoking hot nuclear 9mm that is limited to lower weight bullets than the 10mm. For me I would stick with the 10 for the ability to shoot up to 230 gr for hunting and use the 135 for self defense. I think the 9x25 shoots a 125 gr at 1700 and the 10mm (my .40 too) shoots the 135 gr over 1600 fps.
I have longshot powder and do not see such loads at the hodgdon reloading sight. Would you care to say what grains of powder you are using. I am setting up a G22 and plan to go with a longer barrel. I want maybe 1150 with 180s for defense against black bear.
7 grains would probably get you there (at your own risk), but it may not be safe in your firearm. Be safe and work your way up…Looking for signs of pressure. Follow book loads only. Not all .40’s are built the same.
@@JohnPhillips-qw4db I have a G22 with a G35 threaded barrel that should as good as what is shown on the video. I have extra strong recoil springs in it from Wolff springs. In for the video loads fire those same loads on 95 F day during a bright sunlit days they may become a lot hotter.
Did you install a stiffer spring to handle the additional load? Could the same Lone Wolf barrel be used with the stock G23 slide? Would the velocities differ any if the last question's answer is yes?
I tried a 20 lb spring and had some feeding issues, so I settled on stock recoil spring. Yes the lone wolf barrel works with G23 slide and the velocities stay the same. Thanks for watching!
@@SteepKuntryOutdoors at least by running the 35 upper you do get a longer throw on the recoil impulse which allows the dual recoil spring assembly to work better!!! I would not prefer to run this hot of ammo in the shorter 23 upper, as that would be much more brutal to you and the gun
With modern casings and modern powder handguns are getting insane. If ShellShock comes out with NaS3 cases for the .40, .45, and the 10mm we will see insane power. You can safely load 9mm to about 600 ftlbs with their cases so i can not imagine what someone could do with 10mm and .45 Super. (Dont follow my advice. Im just an idiot on the internet. If you load ammo ot is your responsibility to know the limits of your firearm and components)
I will tell you this, it’s published data on the hodgdon website using max charges of Longshot. The 5.3” Lone Wolf Barrel also increases the velocity over a 4” stock barrel from the tighter tolerances and of course the added length. Thx for watching!
We both actually have SD40’s that we shoot these loads from, that’s actually the gun that started this Angry .40 project. I think the 135’s from a stock 4” SD are doing around 1500 FPS. Thx for watching!
What firearm and ammo companies don't like: M&P 2.0( or a Glock) with a KKM 357 barrel and a KKM 9mm. conversion barrel. 3 chamberings.....one pistol. Funny how alot of "our" bureaucratic agencies are toting 40sw. sbr/sub guns these days.
Another question sorry to bother you but I'm getting a hornady single stage classic to start with so what's the strongest barrel I can get for a glock 27? Thank you a
I like Lone Wolf barrels, I’ve pushed them pretty dang hard with no issues. www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&merchant_id=56c2f970-a60d-4704-bcd8-51f6562682a0&website_id=25394ec1-5c10-4097-a9d7-734f4ef6eede&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lonewolfdist.com%2FPRODUCT%2F919650%2Faw-2740n%2F
@@anthonysmith3132 The 9mm +p+ 115gr are 150 fps slower than my factory under powered (42k psi) 9×23 Win 124gr (1,450 fps) out of the box. Max pressure for the case is 55k. My reloads are 50k with a 147gr bullet consistent, mid 1,500's fps. The only mods to my 1911 70 series were a Nowlin 5in 9×23 bbl, 20lb recoil spring & 22lb mainspring. The 9×23 Win brass is a reloaders dream.
The 40 will never replace the 10 mm the 10 mm came first and could be hand loaded to much greater velocities than the 40 can with 220 grain projectiles!
You are 100% correct. 10mm will always be more powerful. What is your take on: The 10mm cartridge was prone to crack up the metal made handguns in the past. Also, what is your take on the fact that .40 cartridge can be filled up and get 10mm velocities, but in a smaller frame pistol, allowing smaller hand people to be able to operate a hand gun with 10mm stopping power? TIA
That brass life will most likely be sketchy by a long shot💥💥💥... On the real topic though- I've seen 10mm videos of people pushing 155 grain XTPs to over 1600FPS. 10mm will always be more powerful/ more case capacity... you are just influencing risk taking for reloading.
Yeah these are similar to the highest loadings Ive been able to find that are safe for a fully supported barrel. People dont get that .40 S&W is def a 800+ foot pound capable cartridge lol.
I was checking out some guys loadings for .40 and saw people were getting up to 720 fpe / 1550 fps for a 135 grain out of a 4”, and 866 fpe/1700 fps out of a 6” barrel. For 155 grain, they were getting 826 fpe and 1550 fps out of the 6” and 674 fpe and 1400 fps out of the 4”. For 165 grain they were getting 667 fpe and 1350 fps out of the 4”, all the tested with. For 180 gr, they were getting 675 fpe and 1300 fps out of the 6” and 528 fpe and 1150 fps out of the 4”. For 200 grain, 639 fpe and 1200 fps out of the 6”, and 537 fpe and 1100 fps out of the 4”.
Your loadings are very similar to this. Im going to get into hand loading for .40 cuz I want these super powerful .40 loads
10mm is a marketing gimmick. This just proves that. Any off the shelf 10mm ammo is printing only maybe 80fps faster than a 40s&w in the same barrel. Why the FBI and law enforcement agencies are following the 9mm I will never know. Hey, whatever. I picked up a KY state police gen 4 G35 with nightsights today for 375$. And it was unissued. So all you 40 haters, let the hate flow. You all have made 40 cheaper than 9mm for all of us.
A. 40 isnt cheaper than 9mm
B. real 10mm is far superior (energy wise) to 40sw
C. i say all of this as a big 40sw fan.
Marketing gimmick lol. .40 wouldn’t exist without 10mm it’s the parent case. Properly loaded 10mm has 20% more kinetic energy than .40. 10mm is about the same price as .40 when comparing similar ammunition.
You don’t know what you’re talking about ma.
Thx for watching!
@@DarkArtsDeepDivefully supported barrel you can safely get these numbers from .40. Over 800 fpe from 6” and over 700 from 4”
I was checking out some guys loadings for .40 and saw people were getting up to 720 fpe / 1550 fps for a 135 grain out of a 4”, and 866 fpe/1700 fps out of a 6” barrel. For 155 grain, they were getting 826 fpe and 1550 fps out of the 6” and 674 fpe and 1400 fps out of the 4”. For 165 grain they were getting 667 fpe and 1350 fps out of the 4”, all the tested with. For 180 gr, they were getting 675 fpe and 1300 fps out of the 6” and 528 fpe and 1150 fps out of the 4”. For 200 grain, 639 fpe and 1200 fps out of the 6”, and 537 fpe and 1100 fps out of the 4”.
Even with the 4” and 155 and 165 you’re still getting 674 and 667 fpe. And for 180 over 500 is real good. You’re limited on .40 for sure with the 4” but you can still get good numbers the lower you go.
@@SuperD00DThere’s no such thing as a fully supported barrel in an autoloading pistol such as these. If they were trully fully supported they wouldn’t feed from a magazine. You’re mentioning proof loads that are using compressed powder which will eventually cause case ruptures.
If you want to shrink your extreme spread a bit and maybe your standard deviation as well, up your recoil spring weight by a couple pounds.
this is exactly what the manufacturers dont want to get out there..that the 40 is capable of so much more than people know. and they say there is no real difference between the 9 and 40 .....
boedude yes the manufacturers don’t want you know how good their product is. Because they don’t want to make money.
You’re a genius.
@@DarkArtsDeepDive BWAHAHA...
No it's not that. They are scared shitless of getting sued!!!
@@Wildwestwrangler
possibly when they were converting 9s into 40s. but that was 20 years ago. 40s that can't pass the pressure test don't make it to market. barrels and frames handle the same pressure as their 9 counterparts, less than the 9+p. no, that excuse doesn't fly anymore
@@DarkArtsDeepDiveit’s true. They want u to buy 9mm. They load .40 and 10mm to the same pressures and basically 9mm +p and if you’re lucky +p+ pressures. Only Underwood, doubletap, and buffalo bore load decently.
Underwood .40 s&w 135 gr nosler is 675 fpe from 4.9” barrel and 589 from 3.4”. And it’s saami spec and just fine in a stock Glock. Oh who looks silly now?
That's pretty freakin awesome. For the 135 Noslers, how many of longshot are you using? 1650fps? That's hotter than a Corbon. How's the Glock holding up? Is that lone wolf some custom thing with an upscaled chamber to handle the higher pressures? Are you running 40 s&w brass, or trimmed down 10mm with the bigger primer?
Slightly above Hodgdons website book max, Glock shows no signs of excessive wear, I’ve killed 2 bears with it. Standard Lone Wolf .40 cal barrel and once fired .40 s&w brass.
Sig 180 Grain FMJs are doing anywhere from 1280-1325 FPS out of a Glock 20.
Those are the best 10mm factory FMJs I have found.
Your .40s are almost that strong out of only a slightly longer barrel.
Wdym almost? It hit 1358 is one number I caught for a calc lol. The others were around there. So same or better than the ammo you mentioned
I like it! That's more muzzle energy than most 357 magnum revolvers!
I suspected that 40 could replicate 10mm, without any major hazards, as long as bullets are not seated any deeper in the case, but it's a lot like that quote from Raiders of the Lost Ark:
"Asps! Very Dangerous! YOU go first!"
Yes 4” can only get 528 fpe or so from 180s whereas it can get 720 from 135 grain. 6” barrel can do around 675 fpe with 180 gr and 866 fpe for 135 grain.
The problem with 40 S&W and 10mm is that the bullets are seated waay farthur into the casing than they need to be. Where a bullet sits in a 10mm casing, it can sit in a 40 S&W casing and still have enough casing to hold onto the bullet, giving you the same powder capacity as a standard 10mm in a 40 S&W casing. This goes for 10mm as well, the bullet is seated so far into the casing, wasting space, when it could be seated not as deep and give you even more powder capacity than a standard 10mm round will. Both of these cartridges could be essentially "UPGRADED" by re-engineering how far the bullets are seated. Seat the bullet on a 40 S&W to get the same overall length of a 10mm, and you get the same space for powder behind the bullet as a 10mm. I think they engineered it wrong from the get-go. The other issue is that they engineered pistols and magazines around the wrongly engineered 40 S&W and 10mm cartridges.
Top notch work. I knew the 40 could handle it.
I'm doing the same thing with 45 acp. The cartridges can do more than advertised. Yes...of course...gotta be smart about it.
Also...the compact frame with the longer full size slide is catching on all over. My 9mm is like that. I love it.
Yess my Glock 23 is so much more concealable than my Sig P365 X Macro. And I bought that to be more concealable!!! Lol. Go figure
Being weaker, harder to conceal, and having more recoil (I find 620 foot pound out of 4” Underwood 135 gr nosler, 675 fpe out of 4.9” and 589 out of 3.4” to kick less than standard 9mm out of the Sig. and forget +p 9mm in the Sig, it breaks your flipping finger!!! ) Idk what’s up with that gun but it doesn’t really serve me any purpose. I should sell it.
Nice job! Those are crazy velocities though. I'm a bit of a pansy and would stick with Underwood or BBore for my .40's. But damn, man you did "the impossible" and your gun didn't blow up. Seriously impressive! ☺️
He did not do the impossible it’s just simple physics!
@@artifacthunter1472 I see you missed the quotation marks around the impossible.
Only reason it would blow is stock glock barrel. With the Lone Wolf hes fine. I need to grab an older Glock 22. My Gen 5 23 has no Lone wolf barrels yet. I did find another brand not sure how good they are
@@hivelswordahhhh gotteeeem. Yeah, .40 just has no r&d invested in it by ammo companies since way back when, and is loaded to pressures safe for a gen 1 glock 😂 and basically been stuck there. At least Underwood 135 gr jhp hits 675 fpe out of a 5” but there is obviously even more being left on the table. But that is a good consolation prizen
I love it! And I love that you are doing it to your guns so I don't have to do it to mine. LOL. It is great to see that a factory gun will contain this amount of power without catastrophic failure. I wouldn't kid myself though. There is no free lunch. That much power in what is essentially a converted 9mm pistol will have to accelerate wear.
Even max standard pressure .40 is hard on pistols compared to the original 9mm version. IMO, that and ammo cost are the major reasons LE has run back to the 9mm.
As someone who won't run a bajillion rounds through his pistol, the economics don't matter so much to me...within reason. I doubt I'll wear out my 5" M&P. I haven't gone beyond book max loads but they are far more stout than most factory ammo. Alliant Power Pistol works great at this level. I got a little more fps with Longshot but it did not group as well.
I have settled on 155 gr bullets but will have to consider 135gr as well. 180 seems like too much for most uses and eats up case capacity, although at the velocity you are getting it is hard to criticize other than possible pistol longevity.
Great experimenting that you are doing. I'm subscribed and will check out more of your work.
I think the wear and tear will depend on the piece. With a Glock? Yeah, you're probably on borrowed time fairly quickly. With an HK, I wouldn't worry about it in the least. However, there is also a significant price difference, and a USP full size is a bit bigger and heavier than a Glock full size of the same calibre (Glock 22?). But you get what you pay for. In this case, a piece that has a higher probability of longevity when using hotter than factory ammo.
Im not far from Garden Valley (near Boise) and Ive got a 6 inch 40s&w KKM barrel... you are welcome to use it if you want to meet up. I would love to see if there is much of a velocity difference going up the extra 2/3rds of an inch. I know I don't see much of a bump with underwood stuff when I go from my 4.6 barrel to the 6 inch barrel.
I thought those 10mm would chamber in a 40 cal pistol. Thinks this was very informative and cured my suspicions.
The 10 will chamber the 40, and at least in some guns is said to work well.
@@loquat44-40 the question was would the 40 cal chamber a 10mm in it. Not the other way around.
@@JasonSpitzMI50 But you obviously had found out that the 40 would not chamber in a 10 and so to kind I informed you that it will work the other way. If you own a 10mm, shooting .40s can be a lot cheaper. So I am sorry if my answer offended; or maybe lol not so sorry considering your response.
I have a Glock 20 with 6 in kkm 24 lb spring. I get 1425 with 180 xtp. That 40 load is pretty close. I usually shoot a 40 conversion barrel with 180 over 7.5 LS. Powder. For 1150+. Save my starline 10 brass for the real loads. Cheers.
I’ll bet if you loaded up some 180 gr hardcast with your full power load, you’d get over 1500 fps. I always get more velocity out of the hardcast over the XTP.
Got a sr40 for 280 been hooked on 40 since
That is crazy fast
Man this is so sick. And it’s probably only even like normal +p 38,500 psi. SAAMI spec 135 gr’s is 675 fpe out of a 4.9”. So the big companies load to .45 acp pressure or something lol…
Even though the energy is tiny bit lower Im still more impressed with the 180’s. I thought it was impossible.
Around 740 fpe for the 180 and 820 fpe for the 135 gr. Impressive. I thought 180 was capped around 580 fpe absolute max
How much Longshot are you using on these loads? I couldn’t find any data that would get me even close to these numbers.
If you go to Hogdons website and use their max loads with a 5.3” aftermarket barrel and run them over a chrony, you’ll be dang close. My loads are slightly over max but I have safely worked them up over the years to be safe in my guns.
Doubletap and buffalo bore 10mm numbers. Def better than their .40’s. Closest is underwood 135 gr. Rated at 588 fpe but it actually hits 675 out of a 4.9” barrel, AZ AIRGUNNER just tested it 4 days ago and got 675 fpe out of 4.9”.
Awesome loads. .40 just has no r&d from ammo companies for decades now and loaded to gen 1 glock safe pressures. It’s fully capable of +p and +p+ pressures just like 9mm and this is what you get. Normal .40 from factory is barely better and quite often weaker than most 9mm +p+ which is stupid. Only that underwood and maybe some buffalo bore pulls far ahead. And you’re somewhat right about the doubletap. Look to also hit just over 600 foot pounds from 4.5”.
But these loads are what you get from true +p and +p+ .40
what do you think of the 9x25 Dillon have you ever had a chance to work with the load. I'm think of getting a 9x25 long wolf barrel for my glock 20. Any thoughts.
Lilmonch06
The 9x25 is a smoking hot nuclear 9mm that is limited to lower weight bullets than the 10mm. For me I would stick with the 10 for the ability to shoot up to 230 gr for hunting and use the 135 for self defense. I think the 9x25 shoots a 125 gr at 1700 and the 10mm (my .40 too) shoots the 135 gr over 1600 fps.
What holster do you use to carry your Glock 35? For IWB carry
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Fantastic!!! By any chance did you happen to chro the 180's just at the 8.0 max?
Nick Groves
Just under 1300 in the 5.3"
CharlyRomeo2009
Thx for watching but these loads flat out smoke the 357 sig.
I have longshot powder and do not see such loads at the hodgdon reloading sight. Would you care to say what grains of powder you are using. I am setting up a G22 and plan to go with a longer barrel. I want maybe 1150 with 180s for defense against black bear.
7 grains would probably get you there (at your own risk), but it may not be safe in your firearm. Be safe and work your way up…Looking for signs of pressure. Follow book loads only. Not all .40’s are built the same.
@@JohnPhillips-qw4db I have a G22 with a G35 threaded barrel that should as good as what is shown on the video. I have extra strong recoil springs in it from Wolff springs. In for the video loads fire those same loads on 95 F day during a bright sunlit days they may become a lot hotter.
It’s a good thing Glocks are tough guns!
Did you install a stiffer spring to handle the additional load? Could the same Lone Wolf barrel be used with the stock G23 slide? Would the velocities differ any if the last question's answer is yes?
I tried a 20 lb spring and had some feeding issues, so I settled on stock recoil spring. Yes the lone wolf barrel works with G23 slide and the velocities stay the same.
Thanks for watching!
@@SteepKuntryOutdoors at least by running the 35 upper you do get a longer throw on the recoil impulse which allows the dual recoil spring assembly to work better!!! I would not prefer to run this hot of ammo in the shorter 23 upper, as that would be much more brutal to you and the gun
so wait...i can just go out and buy 10mm bullets for my springfiled XD 40Sw and just use them instead of .40 cal without any mods?????
No you can’t. I handloaded .40 ammo to 10mm ballistics
With modern casings and modern powder handguns are getting insane. If ShellShock comes out with NaS3 cases for the .40, .45, and the 10mm we will see insane power. You can safely load 9mm to about 600 ftlbs with their cases so i can not imagine what someone could do with 10mm and .45 Super. (Dont follow my advice. Im just an idiot on the internet. If you load ammo ot is your responsibility to know the limits of your firearm and components)
+Steep Kuntry Outdoors will you please share your load data for those rounds with us??
I will tell you this, it’s published data on the hodgdon website using max charges of Longshot. The 5.3” Lone Wolf Barrel also increases the velocity over a 4” stock barrel from the tighter tolerances and of course the added length. Thx for watching!
@@SteepKuntryOutdoors Thank you sir! much appreciated information. Love the videos
Chronograph work
Mustache like that should be into pornograph work
Ohhhh, I'm in town all week
Have you had any issues with this? Especially woth the chamber not being fully supported
Julien Nogueras
The lone wolf barrel is fully supported and has no issues plus I have put 100’s of these rounds through stock Glock barrels.
Angry Dick ill be picking one up then
Can You shoot this at a glock 22 gen 5?
Would an sd40ve handle these? Seems like an M855A1 situation with the pressures.
We both actually have SD40’s that we shoot these loads from, that’s actually the gun that started this Angry .40 project. I think the 135’s from a stock 4” SD are doing around 1500 FPS.
Thx for watching!
@@SteepKuntryOutdoors cool, a lot more durable than i thought. Now I'm not too scared to shoot the fun stuff out of mine
What type of 180gr hard cast flat nose bullets do you use?
Oregon Trail 38-40 180 gr RNFP Hardcast.
oregontrailbullets.com/xcart/?target=product&product_id=18
Nice that's the truth you must reload your 40 and and it wake's up.
What firearm and ammo companies don't like:
M&P 2.0( or a Glock) with a KKM 357 barrel and a KKM 9mm. conversion barrel.
3 chamberings.....one pistol.
Funny how alot of "our" bureaucratic agencies are toting 40sw. sbr/sub guns
these days.
Whats your recipe?? Id like to load some up!!
E-roc
Hodgdon Longshot is THE powder for the .40, go to Hodgdon’s website for the data. I’ll let you work up your own. Thx
Over 800 ftlbs for the 135 and about 700 for the 180
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What barrel is that idk know if I would do that in a oem barrel
MrAnythinggood
Lone wolf 5.3”
How did this set up hold up
This is my edc and I shoot it regularly with no issues
Could you do the same with .38 special to get .357 velocities?
I don’t think guns made for .38 special can handle .357 pressure. Thanks for watching
@@SteepKuntryOutdoors thank you for the good content man. I'm tired of 9mm guys arguing about their +p+ compared to regular .40 target loads
Another question sorry to bother you but I'm getting a hornady single stage classic to start with so what's the strongest barrel I can get for a glock 27? Thank you a
I like Lone Wolf barrels, I’ve pushed them pretty dang hard with no issues. www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&merchant_id=56c2f970-a60d-4704-bcd8-51f6562682a0&website_id=25394ec1-5c10-4097-a9d7-734f4ef6eede&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lonewolfdist.com%2FPRODUCT%2F919650%2Faw-2740n%2F
@@anthonysmith3132 The 9mm +p+ 115gr are 150 fps slower than my factory under powered (42k psi) 9×23 Win 124gr (1,450 fps) out of the box. Max pressure for the case is 55k. My reloads are 50k with a 147gr bullet consistent, mid 1,500's fps. The only mods to my 1911 70 series were a Nowlin 5in 9×23 bbl, 20lb recoil spring & 22lb mainspring. The 9×23 Win brass is a reloaders dream.
What did the brass look like?
Brass is good, no bulging.
Wow I need some of that
Shooting to close to the chrono
Many years ago when I went from 9 mm to 40s&w I lost my man hair bun and my jeans got tighter in the crotch
The 40 will never replace the 10 mm the 10 mm came first and could be hand loaded to much greater velocities than the 40 can with 220 grain projectiles!
You are 100% correct. 10mm will always be more powerful. What is your take on: The 10mm cartridge was prone to crack up the metal made handguns in the past. Also, what is your take on the fact that .40 cartridge can be filled up and get 10mm velocities, but in a smaller frame pistol, allowing smaller hand people to be able to operate a hand gun with 10mm stopping power? TIA
That brass life will most likely be sketchy by a long shot💥💥💥... On the real topic though- I've seen 10mm videos of people pushing 155 grain XTPs to over 1600FPS. 10mm will always be more powerful/ more case capacity... you are just influencing risk taking for reloading.
Reloaders can do sooo much over SAMMI and manufacturer's can do. It's rediculous what they're charging for an extra 200fps. Stupid!
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Bro! How much of the LS in this 135 Nosler bullet ?
Ooodles, actually it’s Hodgdons listed max on their website.