Little Known fact, the Boss 302 doesn't have a Coyote engine. It has a modified version, nick named the Road runner engine. Better rods, no internal oil squirters, different intake, different exhaust cams, same intake cams as the gen 1 coyote but most importantly a forged crank shaft, forged alluminum piston heads and better valve springs allowing it to rev to 7500. The Boss 302 doesn't start throwing rods untill 1000 h.p
Okay you seem more knowledgeable, they didn't say if they gspped rings. You mean to tell me, from the factory, they gap them for power adders already??? Or i wonder if they went in prior and took care of that? I cant see that kinda power without popping a piston without gap
Lotsa fun, until the pumps spike the power halfway up the power-band, gaining 250 Hp inside of a 1000 RPM band & the tires break loose at the back & you go spinning off the road backwards towards that tree at 95 MPH....& then you gotta' tell your Dad what you did to that pristine Mustang he paid for, for you.
@Caleb Lambert Enlighten us as to why you think we are wrong? The 12 & 13 Boss 302 engines were not standard Coyote engines. Internally, within Ford, they were named the Roadrunner engine.
I talked to the guys at Hellion to build a kit for a 91 Fox with a Boss 5.0 4-bolt, it was about 1000 more than the off the shelf one but came with the better injectors, Precision 6266, WG and BOV for the setup. It ended up making 664, a full 110 more than it did on the previous build of 554 on a 2-bolt block. It had a creep in it but for the money that was ridiculous results. We are far beyond that stuff now and have gone full blown crazy pump/cell, 120lb injectors, Holley EFI and much larger turbo. Parachute required. 😂
Boss 302 is not a run of the mill Coyote engine. It has all forged internals that allow it to handle around 1,000 HP. My concern with putting 16 psi of boost through it would be piston ring end gap. Having the ring ends butt together under boost would bust the pistons and make for a really bad day.
Maf in the intercooler... wtf?!? The airflow isn't flowing straight in the location that they put it in, it would be better suited in the intercooler pipe where the hellion logo is.
My best guess for Mike not being on the show anymore is that either he wanted to leave quietly or was let go for one reason or another which is why we never saw any final send off like with other cast members who moved on. I did notice that when Pat started hosting engine power, they had him doing 90% of the work while Mike would only chip in here and there so maybe he got tired of not doing much and wanted to move onto something different.
Fellas I really appreciate what y'all do on this channel but it's time we start working toward v6s most of you mustangs and Camaros have the v6s and the chargers I'm almost ready to be a Buddy Ingersoll I want to take my 40 and do a twin turbo I think 700 horsepower is all you need for the street and occasionally racing .
They say you lose power from the trans to the rear . I'm just wondering if they add a chip or beef up the trans and beef up the rear how much horse you could pull then. Probably over a grand and still have a street able car.
What fuel did they make the 900+ run on? I assume they spiked it with ms109 or something because 93 is not going to support that especially with stock pumps and a boost a pump
Pump gas can support around 1000 if done correctly, that's why there's such a high volume injector/voltage booster on the pump. It would've made an extra 12-15% on E85 and around 24-28% on a non nitromethane alcohol blend. Nitrometh could give it a 35-40% increase depending on volume of the mix. They could've made 1500 easily on a nitromethane ethanol mix but would've washed bearings and destroyed maincaps.
@@0rbie it's true on any platform, the only difference between a coyote and a standard small block are dohc and four way cam timing. Boost works wonders. Pump gas big blocks can make ~800 on pump gas so with four way cam timing, dual rate valve springs, 10.2 compression @7500+8500 rpm what's the benefactor that would prohibit the coyote from doing so?. My buddy's 1.8 makes 600whp on an 84mm turbo on pump gas, at 1/4 of the displacement.
I might not believe what it gets on a dyno, but I sure will believe when it blows up. If one is going to force induce an engine, then stronger rods, pistons and lowered compression ratio are required for reliability. Nobody talks about the reliability afterwards, especially in the context of having something that would be good for both the race track and daily driving. Will that engine still run reliably, even after 20 years, as is configured right now?
The boss 302 is fully built from the factory and been proven for yrs what they can handle. No motor is gonna last long pushing that kinda of power. But if people getinto this hobby thinking there gonna push 700+rwhp and not have something let go. Well there in the wrong hobby. Stuff breaks its what it us. I've seen 400hp factory motors let go that where all stock.
@@zeuscasey yeah well what good is a vehicle that will blow up on the race track and that one can't drive daily to get to work and back if it will leave one on the side of the road?
@@zeuscasey I agree with you, that's a wrong hobby to be getting into. First, one will never get to legally experience it on public rods, and second, it'll just blow up on the race track. It's a lose-lose proposition, to write nothing of how much it all costs, be it in time or materials.
@@AnnatarTheMaia really anything pushing over 700rwhp really shouldn't be peoples daily driver. you don't need anything over 500hp on the street. 500hp on the street is no slouch with a good suspension set up. Now 7-800hp just seems like the beginning point to get you in the game anymore. No matter what brand it is its just gonna have issues at some point. I just think alot of people think you can have all this power and its gonna drive like stock and last for ever and it just doesn't. The car culture is a goofy thing tho, I've seen people dump 20k into a car there still paying a note on. Instead of paying the car off and then modify it. And I agree the potential for loss is huge especially when modifying. You just never get back what you put into them. But gotta pay to play.
@@likenem it depends on what generation of coyote. The 3rd gen has been proven to hold a 1000hp stock. First gens are good for around 600 to 700hp. So much of it depends on tuning on how long and how much horsepower you can get.
@@markball7028 from my understanding the gen 3 hasn't been as reliable as the gen 2. If I was chasing 1000 h.p I would stick with the Boss 302 or the gen 2 coyote.
@@likenem depends on the tuner. Gen 3s are more complex. With duel fuel injection. Port and direct injection. The gen 3 also has a 10 speed auto thats a big improvement. It takes advantage of keeping the coyote right in the meat of its power band. So you can have a gen 3 making 100 less horsepower than a gen 2 and still hold its own. But I’ve heard the same. If you’re chasing big numbers the gen 2 is the way to go. There have been gen 3s that have reached high 8s in the 1/4 with stock engine and 10 speed transmission. Just added intercooled twins
Nice kit and works really well. Makes good tunable power for multiple boost levels. No doubt about any of that. I'm just not a turbo guy. I may be in the minority and I know that. One question though. Would you want to drive it around and show it off every once in a while or did you just create a "Trailer Queen"? I'm sorry to say this a little but, it's just another twin turbo unusable beast. I would much rather build something that I could drive everyday and not have to fix every week. Good job guys but, just not practical for my taste.
Looking back i think we all know ford really dropped the bag on the trans and clutch this generation. I started laughing when they said they think ford beefed up those items.
10:00 - As an Aussie,... that's the lamest Burnout contest I've seen on TH-cam. That event would get laughed at Down Under, and what's with the Caution tape positioned to take a drivers head off?????. At least Cleetus has the right idea with that sort of event.
OMG!?!?!? Those waste gates are in a HORRIBLE SPOT!!! WTF!!! Then both blowoff valves at a 90° angle from airflow 🤦♂️... That my friends, is how you get boost creep!!!
@@bmstylee they did have side exits in addition to the rear exits. They're somewhat hidden by the side skirts and they have plates that can be removed which basically allows the exhaust gases to bypass the resonators and mufflers and exit out the side. Kinda neat.
Love your channel but wondered how the EPA crackdown will effect you guys if they decide to come after you for aftermarket mods to OEM cars not equipped with those mods stock...ie. illegal per big government in 2021. I see Jegs got sued for $1.7 million. Please don't give into the man! ✌
Did you change cam pistons and gap rings, I would say talk to engine builder about power adders and piston mods . Or you might destroy your BOSS ENGINE.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes there's another video of the Hellion team doing the same with a yellow Mustang GT. If money's not an object then the necessary steps should be taken to allow for oil pan removal ya know?
Oh hush. We're talking about the reputation of the company and why a consumer should purchase a kit from them. They have cars with turbos, superchargers, nitrous, and even N/A. Holy shit...
*_The people will never understand ratings and we want big numbers to brag about. Remember it's a show entertain us with exotic builds and real hp...._*
Little Known fact, the Boss 302 doesn't have a Coyote engine. It has a modified version, nick named the Road runner engine. Better rods, no internal oil squirters, different intake, different exhaust cams, same intake cams as the gen 1 coyote but most importantly a forged crank shaft, forged alluminum piston heads and better valve springs allowing it to rev to 7500. The Boss 302 doesn't start throwing rods untill 1000 h.p
Okay you seem more knowledgeable, they didn't say if they gspped rings. You mean to tell me, from the factory, they gap them for power adders already??? Or i wonder if they went in prior and took care of that? I cant see that kinda power without popping a piston without gap
@@CallofDoobie585 2011-2012 coyote aka mustang gt stock whp limit 650-700 / 2013-2014 gt 700-750 / boss302 800-1000 /2015+ is 800-1000
Lotsa fun, until the pumps spike the power halfway up the power-band, gaining 250 Hp inside of a 1000 RPM band & the tires break loose at the back & you go spinning off the road backwards towards that tree at 95 MPH....& then you gotta' tell your Dad what you did to that pristine Mustang he paid for, for you.
@@CallofDoobie585 I can't help thinking the same thing.
This is Correct
Ah good to see Mike galley again
I agree. The show just isn’t the same without him.
Just hope Tommy doesn't leave. After that it's pretty unwatchable.
Well Tommy is on Detroit Muscle. I watch that also but I like Engine Power better but with Mike gone, I’ve sorta lost interest.
Where did mike go?
@@mattrodgers4878 gone. No one really knows where he went or why he left.
I just bought a Boss 302 Laguna Seca yesterday this is exactly the recommended video I was looking for. Another way to spend some money haha.
The 12-13 Boss 302's came with the Roadrunner engine, not the Coyote. The Roadrunner had beefed up internals.
Basically the same as the engine of the Bullet and “Mach 1”
Thats right man. Had heeps of other goodies done as well on top
Of forged bottom end.
Both of you are wrong lol
@Caleb Lambert Enlighten us as to why you think we are wrong? The 12 & 13 Boss 302 engines were not standard Coyote engines. Internally, within Ford, they were named the Roadrunner engine.
@@enesfazlic6017 its not forged..
I haven’t seen these guys since the Power Block days on Saturday mornings. Glad to see them still at it!
"Its safe"...final words from a guy that didn't gap the piston rings running high boost
14:58 The blow off valves don't regulate boost pressure, that's the job of the wastegates.
2:52 so you're lower maintenance than the car. "Yes, I do" 😂
Lol 😆
Lmfaoo
I talked to the guys at Hellion to build a kit for a 91 Fox with a Boss 5.0 4-bolt, it was about 1000 more than the off the shelf one but came with the better injectors, Precision 6266, WG and BOV for the setup. It ended up making 664, a full 110 more than it did on the previous build of 554 on a 2-bolt block. It had a creep in it but for the money that was ridiculous results. We are far beyond that stuff now and have gone full blown crazy pump/cell, 120lb injectors, Holley EFI and much larger turbo. Parachute required. 😂
That is a beautifully manufactured kit - amazing work!
Would have been nice to see the HP and torque curves for the dyno pulls at different boosts.
Boss 302 is not a run of the mill Coyote engine. It has all forged internals that allow it to handle around 1,000 HP. My concern with putting 16 psi of boost through it would be piston ring end gap. Having the ring ends butt together under boost would bust the pistons and make for a really bad day.
Congratulations Phil
🇳🇿👋
The power is not free. Laws of thermodynamics don't change because Powernation says so.
How does Danny D find the time to race cars?
monster of a small block!!! geez
Must be nice to work on vehicles that are fresh off the assembly line, the HP the twin turbos give the stock motor is insane.
How much did the full modification parts cost without the car's price?
Maf in the intercooler... wtf?!? The airflow isn't flowing straight in the location that they put it in, it would be better suited in the intercooler pipe where the hellion logo is.
Dear power nation, this motor is called Road runner :P
My best guess for Mike not being on the show anymore is that either he wanted to leave quietly or was let go for one reason or another which is why we never saw any final send off like with other cast members who moved on. I did notice that when Pat started hosting engine power, they had him doing 90% of the work while Mike would only chip in here and there so maybe he got tired of not doing much and wanted to move onto something different.
He married a Kardashian and moved out west.
Great video, thank you for doing it. I've been waiting for a tubro video. I really want to do this kit on my 2011 5.0.
Did they put more ring gap into it? I hope not, I like explosions.
How the hell that car is sooooooo shinny !!!!
Fellas I really appreciate what y'all do on this channel but it's time we start working toward v6s most of you mustangs and Camaros have the v6s and the chargers I'm almost ready to be a Buddy Ingersoll I want to take my 40 and do a twin turbo I think 700 horsepower is all you need for the street and occasionally racing .
Where can I find I woman like Bobby or Melissa? I mean what else can anybody ask for! They are even giving 100% support to their significant other.
0:55 Was that Jeff Lutz... LMFFFAAAOOO
They say you lose power from the trans to the rear . I'm just wondering if they add a chip or beef up the trans and beef up the rear how much horse you could pull then. Probably over a grand and still have a street able car.
What fuel did they make the 900+ run on? I assume they spiked it with ms109 or something because 93 is not going to support that especially with stock pumps and a boost a pump
Pump gas can support around 1000 if done correctly, that's why there's such a high volume injector/voltage booster on the pump.
It would've made an extra 12-15% on E85 and around 24-28% on a non nitromethane alcohol blend. Nitrometh could give it a 35-40% increase depending on volume of the mix. They could've made 1500 easily on a nitromethane ethanol mix but would've washed bearings and destroyed maincaps.
@@CorollaManDan this isn’t true on the coyote platform lol
@@0rbie it's true on any platform, the only difference between a coyote and a standard small block are dohc and four way cam timing.
Boost works wonders.
Pump gas big blocks can make ~800 on pump gas so with four way cam timing, dual rate valve springs, 10.2 compression @7500+8500 rpm what's the benefactor that would prohibit the coyote from doing so?.
My buddy's 1.8 makes 600whp on an 84mm turbo on pump gas, at 1/4 of the displacement.
@@CorollaManDan if you were right.. why does every major coyote tuner not want you to make more than 700whp on a 93 octane tune?
They really dont know what the engine is called on the boss 302?!!! Its a roadrunner engine not a coyote
A lot of the internals ended up on the S550.
I might not believe what it gets on a dyno, but I sure will believe when it blows up. If one is going to force induce an engine, then stronger rods, pistons and lowered compression ratio are required for reliability. Nobody talks about the reliability afterwards, especially in the context of having something that would be good for both the race track and daily driving. Will that engine still run reliably, even after 20 years, as is configured right now?
The boss 302 is fully built from the factory and been proven for yrs what they can handle. No motor is gonna last long pushing that kinda of power. But if people getinto this hobby thinking there gonna push 700+rwhp and not have something let go. Well there in the wrong hobby. Stuff breaks its what it us. I've seen 400hp factory motors let go that where all stock.
If people want reliability, slap a exhaust and tune on it and thats it. You wanna make big power, then reliability gets thrown out.
@@zeuscasey yeah well what good is a vehicle that will blow up on the race track and that one can't drive daily to get to work and back if it will leave one on the side of the road?
@@zeuscasey I agree with you, that's a wrong hobby to be getting into. First, one will never get to legally experience it on public rods, and second, it'll just blow up on the race track. It's a lose-lose proposition, to write nothing of how much it all costs, be it in time or materials.
@@AnnatarTheMaia really anything pushing over 700rwhp really shouldn't be peoples daily driver. you don't need anything over 500hp on the street. 500hp on the street is no slouch with a good suspension set up. Now 7-800hp just seems like the beginning point to get you in the game anymore. No matter what brand it is its just gonna have issues at some point. I just think alot of people think you can have all this power and its gonna drive like stock and last for ever and it just doesn't. The car culture is a goofy thing tho, I've seen people dump 20k into a car there still paying a note on. Instead of paying the car off and then modify it. And I agree the potential for loss is huge especially when modifying. You just never get back what you put into them. But gotta pay to play.
Stock rings can handle all that boost?
The boss 302 has a different engine then the stock 5.0. it's good for 1000 h.p. I think the stock 5.0 is 600 h.p
@@likenem it depends on what generation of coyote. The 3rd gen has been proven to hold a 1000hp stock. First gens are good for around 600 to 700hp. So much of it depends on tuning on how long and how much horsepower you can get.
@@markball7028 from my understanding the gen 3 hasn't been as reliable as the gen 2. If I was chasing 1000 h.p I would stick with the Boss 302 or the gen 2 coyote.
@@likenem depends on the tuner. Gen 3s are more complex. With duel fuel injection. Port and direct injection. The gen 3 also has a 10 speed auto thats a big improvement. It takes advantage of keeping the coyote right in the meat of its power band. So you can have a gen 3 making 100 less horsepower than a gen 2 and still hold its own. But I’ve heard the same. If you’re chasing big numbers the gen 2 is the way to go. There have been gen 3s that have reached high 8s in the 1/4 with stock engine and 10 speed transmission. Just added intercooled twins
I think they are using a water/methanol kit with it?
Turbos are more efficient, but i still prefer a supercharger. Less pipes and parts in engine bay and simpler install, and still make huge power.
How do they get away with not enlarging the ring gap?
Because Coyote/ Roadrunner. All Gen 2 & 3 need is boost and fuel to make 820whp reliably and 1,000whp for special occasions.
Time for a new laptop to go with all the other goodies
Whats the life expectancy on this engine now?
the engine is much better than a coyote. if its not beat on, and the tune is spot on. probably a decent amount of time
Nice kit and works really well. Makes good tunable power for multiple boost levels. No doubt about any of that. I'm just not a turbo guy. I may be in the minority and I know that. One question though. Would you want to drive it around and show it off every once in a while or did you just create a "Trailer Queen"? I'm sorry to say this a little but, it's just another twin turbo unusable beast. I would much rather build something that I could drive everyday and not have to fix every week. Good job guys but, just not practical for my taste.
Damn 910whp w 16lbs of boost
AYE 270 CHECK IN 🤒✅✅
Great video
How much this cost to do for the 5-7Psi boost?
Mike back.
Old episode
7.33
I'm happy at low 11s NA.
7.33 is crazy fast 😳
Where is the PCM/ECU mounted?
So they show the return oil line for the turbo, is there a oil line going in?
Looking back i think we all know ford really dropped the bag on the trans and clutch this generation.
I started laughing when they said they think ford beefed up those items.
Mopar guys watching this: *sweating intensifies*
2 Strut bolts was missing on pass. side
John Urist looks like a young Roddy McDowall.
Nice car! Buttttt I’m Fan of the 69-70 boss’s 😂
This video has everything!! Thanks Powernation :)
10:00 - As an Aussie,... that's the lamest Burnout contest I've seen on TH-cam. That event would get laughed at Down Under, and what's with the Caution tape positioned to take a drivers head off?????.
At least Cleetus has the right idea with that sort of event.
no damn way that made 910whp with the stock clutch
It'll do it once 😁😂
What kind of fuel was that?
wow i wishes to have american wife mechanic! i love mustang and trans am
ah, i love fast cars
I hope you enjoy those metal shaving from tapping the pan with it on the car..... dude wtf...
that's why there's goop on the tap...not ideal, but obviously it can be done.
I like the part where you had to explain to boomers what a turbo is. We can only hope that one day those dinosaurs might understand what it is.
Son, turbos have been put on American cars since 1962. Your generation didn't invent it!
If the transmission can handle it them I'm in
184👍's up thanks again for taking us all along with you
Very cool !!!!!!!!!! 👍👍👍👍
800+whp on factory internals 😳
Road runner 5.0 (this one) can handle 1000whp
Will last about 90 days. Then boom
wont be doing stuff like this once the EPA makes all car enthusiasts felons over nights
OMG!?!?!? Those waste gates are in a HORRIBLE SPOT!!!
WTF!!! Then both blowoff valves at a 90° angle from airflow 🤦♂️... That my friends, is how you get boost creep!!!
Love it.
More weekend projects like this awsome
installing that oil return line. Rough as F@*k
The boss had a road runner engine
3:08 Camera man making that side step. Be less conspicuous, chief.
Got rid of the factory side pipes, wow.
I don't recall those having side pipes. Besides outside of a AC Cobra, C2 Vette, or a gen 1 Viper they just don't look right.
@@bmstylee they did have side exits in addition to the rear exits. They're somewhat hidden by the side skirts and they have plates that can be removed which basically allows the exhaust gases to bypass the resonators and mufflers and exit out the side. Kinda neat.
@@fourcam150 ah. When I'm thinking pipes I think big and obvious.
i think LS 302s only came with the quad pipes.
All Boss 302's didn't come with these. They were an option.
8PSI per turbo is kinda disgraceful for THOSE turbos...
Be careful the. EPA is of the chain!
Love your channel but wondered how the EPA crackdown will effect you guys if they decide to come after you for aftermarket mods to OEM cars not equipped with those mods stock...ie. illegal per big government in 2021. I see Jegs got sued for $1.7 million. Please don't give into the man! ✌
Call your congressman and let them know the RPM ACT matters to you!!! Keep car modifications and hot rodding alive! 👍
Yeahh guys
I wish you guys would start with a plain-Jane GT instead of a Boss. Ford only made so many Boss 302s and no one cares if you twin-turbo a GT.
1kwheel street car..my kind of car.
Did you change cam pistons and gap rings, I would say talk to engine builder about power adders and piston mods . Or you might destroy your BOSS ENGINE.
Yessir!
What a beautiful car
Damn and I went with the ON3 kit :( this looks like alot better quality kit .............. get what you pay for :/
When cost isnt an issue, you can always have the best.
SPONSORS ROCK!!!!!!
@@jamessutherland5107 you know what....... you are absolutely correct
Man, that sketchy oil pan tap setup making another appearance 😬😬😬
I wondered about that - great way to get metal in the pan and ruin the motor.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes there's another video of the Hellion team doing the same with a yellow Mustang GT. If money's not an object then the necessary steps should be taken to allow for oil pan removal ya know?
@@rhubarbpie2027 yuuuuuup.
Show 👏👏👏👏
"street cars" :D
0 to 60 and quarter mile please
I just think it's funny that they are advertising a twin turbo system but then show a race won with a supercharger.
Oh hush. We're talking about the reputation of the company and why a consumer should purchase a kit from them. They have cars with turbos, superchargers, nitrous, and even N/A. Holy shit...
They mustn't of had time to remove the sump to put a "proper" drain back 🤔 #giterdun
No boat anchors here 👍
just one huge turd
April 24th in Illinois is track day.
Says goodbye to the life of that engine but power is so much fun
Would LOVE to see someone going on a Mustang Mach-E
#fordjunk
@@TrumpAmerica-2024 #shutup
@@twistershift go find his comments on the main post, comment on them. He will delete them & repost, what a tard..
550HP? You can do better than that! 3.5 Ecoboosts can almost do that with just a tune!
Buety
Sure hellion is a good kit but it's way overpriced and can get the same results for alot cheaper
You're paying for tested quality. Period...
*_The people will never understand ratings and we want big numbers to brag about. Remember it's a show entertain us with exotic builds and real hp...._*
Can you leave a GoPro under the car so we can see that “transmission “ grenade ? Ford should of never gotten away from the T56.
Then transmission explodes.. Lol
Or will soon
when a ford owner says, "i blew my trans" . . . they ain't talking about a transmission.
@@TrumpAmerica-2024 You aren't half as funny as you think you are.
weetaard above me
Ford just shit on the name of all "Mustangs"
Run an expensive turbo like that and run a peasant boost a pump. What a waste.
Cool story wheres the turbo Ford 300 ?