I fitted a dual mass to solid conversion to a Focus 1.8 TDCi about 18 months ago. That car has now done over 200000 miles and drives smooth and is fine. Go to solid if you can get one!!
I had a dual mass flywheel and changed it at 130,000 miles as I was doing the first clutch as a precaution. Pull away in second with the wheels spinning see how long they last. Drive the car normally. The centering bush has cracked and half gone the flywheel surface is off centre and must have had a lot of vibration. 190,000 kilometres ain’t bad in my book.
Yes mate I agree with you there are a lot cheaper but unfortunately not every car car can actually accept them with no issues so sometimes you have to but up with the trouble of them
@@bodgitandleggitgarage yes very true, pro's and cons of both really in terms of vibration and potential damage to the crank on some cars. As you say not all cars accept them. I think some manufacturers are going away from them now due to the issues they cause
DMF's are used to prevent harsh vibrations going through the gearbox. I'll rather pay extra and have a DMF than have to replace / rebuild the gearbox. And most DMF's go when the clutch is worn out anyway. Every car I've had a dmf failure on the clutch was nearly on the rivets.
Feel like they should make these serviceable so you can dismantle it and replace the springs/bearings and whatever the cost of some of them new is insane.
Weld it together on budget builds. Like my frontera off roader for example. That will never have a new duel mass flywheel. They are worth more than the whole truck.
Fok dual mass they break its just a matter of time. I'm replacing my Mitsubishi pajero one with a trusted single mass flywheel. What was these engineers thinking.
Hi. I have an Opel Zafira. F40 gearbox is used in this vehicle. I'm at the service for chain replacement. The service technician said there was a gap in the flywheel. The video belongs to us. Is this normal? This flywheel was changed 20 thousand km ago. Can this flywheel be used? Is it normal to have this much gap at 20,000 km? th-cam.com/video/CgDNwBWX_S8/w-d-xo.html
I have been experiencing a problem with the DQ250 gearbox for the last 10,000 km and it sounds like this: When the clutch engages there is a clunk, the gear shifts are very linear and nothing is felt. I have noticed this phenomenon also when I go, in any gear, take my foot off the accelerator and put it back on, a clank is heard. I'll leave some videos below with what I'm trying to explain. I'm guessing it would be the dual mass flywheel, the car having 210k km. The dog bone and mounts are ok. Replaced the CV Joints but nothing changed. The sounds appears when you try to reproduce the noise which gets louder and louder the more you try to reproduce it Also when i'm in idle i feel sometimes some vibratians and when i put it in D, the vibration dissaperes. On VCDS there's no errors from mechatronic unit. What do you guys think? Video on my profile.
What a stupid design. I wonder what prat came up with this idea, probably the same people who designed the v6 Diesel engine on Land Rover. Our engineers seem to be going back instead of forward probably related to Vladimir Putin? That would be a good idea only my main dealer one lasted 58000 miles , so a pattern will probably last just as long and be a lot cheaper.
When mechanics install a new clutch do they ordinarily check the flywheel? Asking as I purchased a car a few weeks ago which had a new clutch installed in Dec due to previous owner burning it out, and the clutch and gear shifting is a nightmare. The dealer has booked the car in with the garage he uses for another new clutch install...but I'm concerned the flywheel is shot and the same issue will happen again if the flywheel is not replaced.
So the car manufacturers added something else to go wrong to rectify a fault that was not really an issue. They help prolong the life of the transmission but regularly fail themselves.
I think you can still check it on the engine. You should still be able to feel the dead zone or slack. Most dmf manufacturers will specify how many teeth the deadzone should spread across. Am i correct? I saw what you did but i cannot feel how the spring is pushing against.
Great instructional video as usual.. I replaced the failed Dual mass flywheel on my Skoda Octavia Tdi with a four piece National brand solid flywheel clutch kit. The set only cost me €200, I also replaced the rear crankshaft oil seal, and the clutch input shafts seal... Managed another 80 thousand miles of issue free driving before selling the car... As I recall, the Valeo single mass clutch kit was twice the price at €400 and the Dual Mass replacement clutch kit was over €1000.. The National brand clutch kit has lasted over 130 thousand miles since it was fitted, and is still going strong... Yes Valeo make good stuff, but it's way overpriced..
I'm glad you have saved money mate but at the end of the day you get what you pay for all so you have to take into consideration a customer is paying me to do the job I cannot not put parts in that could fail immaturely because that would just cause me an issue with the customer means I have to do more work for free and it just causes too many problems I put the parts in that I know I can trust that's how I've got to work just for my own reputation I'm sure you can understand that
@@bodgitandleggitgarage Find Autodoc.co.uk good for hard to get Car parts they seem to be able to source a lot of parts from a company called 'LuK' at very good prices...Autodoc even have an App to look up for same... www.schaeffler.de/content.schaeffler.de/en/products-and-solutions/automotive-aftermarket/index.jsp
I am a 78 year old ex has been donnington Gt champion 1980. My latest challenge is a 2008 Lancia Musa .1.3 multijet manual 5 speed gearbox . the garage owner who sold me the car claims it has a new clutch. Obviously I aint no mug . the assurances that it has a brand new clutch tied in with the new front discs and steering ball joints . n BUT .. after fitting the two new supplied front tyres an alignment indicated badly worn front lower control arm bushes and ball joint s Ok €500 plus euros later .. I coughed up €6500 euros for this as new looking Lancia Musa .checking over the new front discs and pads all seemed ok at the front ..; so a quick check on the rear brake shoes . the wear lip and corrosion made removing the rear brake drums a bit of a war game . grinding off the rust / wear lip made servicing the rear brakes a breeze . Back to the clutch .. a slight judder and sluggish gear changing was causing an issue .bleeding the clutch slave cylinder helped but the clutch drag / vibration was still there . Now comes the bombshell . the 1.3 fiat multijet engine has a dual mass flywheel . Ok the dealer is adamant that the Musa has a brand new clutch . No mention of the 160,000 km Dual mass flywheel being replaced . My local garage owner / mechanic claims to always replace the dual mass flywheel and the clutch at the same time . I can see why . the clutch is fine but the worn out Dual mass flywheel is preventing a smooth take up .The whole assembly is wandering all over the place resulting in clutch vibration / mild judder . returning this money pit shiny toy seems to be the best option .. and getting my dosh back which will probably need some eyeballing .wish me luck .
My dual mass flywheel was slipping after 280 000 kilometres (not the clutch lol.) on my Mitsubishi pajero 2008 model and tha clutch was still in good condition. Also had a ton of grease coming out from that flywheel. You can't repair them either. Best is go back to old school single mass , problemmo solved
Now then, I had a mk4 Golf tdi fitted with a SMF, drove ok, a little jumpy pulling away in 1st but after that no problem. I now have a Leon mk2 Tdi FR 140 ( 1P1 ) with a DMF nearing the end of it's service life, getting a bit clunky. Can you see any probs fitting a SMF ? I keep hearing bad comments about long term damage to transmission etc, why? surely that's down to clutch control. The Leon has done just over 100K but I would say when I bought the car it had been fitted with a towbar so probably got some abuse.
The problem I appear to have with my DMF is that something is causing me to go thru them every 2000 miles (the last one that got changed was ‘shredded’ apparently) with the transmission guy telling me it was an imbalance in the engine that was causing the issue. However the engine idles perfectly, which doesnt suggest an imbalance 😬 So im stuck.
I had a '02 diesel Focus with about 150k miles. I parked, on restarting it terrible sound! I thought the starter had failed to release from the ring gear. No DMF! I limped it home only reving to. 1500 rpm. Sounded and felt dreadful! I needed to use it still but in the return trip I redlined it and did some violent gear changes several times. The noise and shaking stopped, and it was still okay when I got rid of it 50k miles on. Guess I got lucky!
Thank you for this very informative video! My RG Colorado will need a new clutch very soon. I've never dealt with duel mass flywheels before so I have no idea what to look for. In not going to risk leaving the flywheel and just replacing the rest, I'll do the lot! I have heard that I can change to a single mass clutch kit and save a few dollars but I think I'll stick with what nature intended!
I got a vibration happening on load on vehicle. Car on cold sounds like marbles goes away once warm. Thinking dmf. It is getting worse but not too visible on idle. Can sometimes see frm. D and neutral it goes away. Dsg
I've got factory spec free play and 4/5 teeth movement but it doesn't really spring back. It does slowly come back if I put a lot of pressure onnitnfirst. Does this sound good? It's a valeo.
Many of the engines that were fitted with dmf have switched back to solid flywheels in later redesigns. Manufacturers claimed they were required to prevent crankshafts snapping, but the fact they supplied the same engines with solid flywheels and simpler harmonic balancers shows that wasn't true. Some engines had solid and dmf fitted to different models in the range at the same time particularly vans/commercial models. PSA 1.4+ 1.6hdi came with dmf on cars and solid on vans so you could just buy a cheap flywheel and clutch kit for the van model to convert using OEM parts.
my clutch on my 02 jeep tj works perfect.......but im getting a wicked vibration at all rpm.......like a dead hole......i assume if that goes bad it would vibrate like crazy?.......and ( got it used )......if someone did a single mass swap......i could watch my gear shift shake at idle? Trying to narrow this down before I pull the trans on a hunch !!
Thanks for the video. Do you have any preference between Valeo, Luk and Sachs? I have a 2008 Citroen C5, 2.0Hdi with 100kW and can not choose between the three.
Chris, when I'm looking at a decent second hand DMF with warranty from a reputable dismantler, good spring action etc, why is it usually half the flywheel that's sold, the sprocket, is it a weight & convenience thing, like you don't really need the back?
A few years back, I had a DMF disintegrate on a 3 year old 60.000 mile Xsara Picasso. I knew something was not right as I started getting a vibration wobble when accelerating whilst towing a caravan on holiday in Scotland. Guy at Murchisons Garage in Kyle told me DMF's often pack up in towcars due to the extra load. Beware buying a car with a towbar fitted!!!!!!
Doing my transit custom gear box, just took my dual mass off it does spring back with no signs or feel of wear, I’m going to prick up the bits I do need i.e gear box oil, new slave for and release bearing, do you recon it’s worth putting the flywheel in as a while your there job?
Hey, I have a noise on cold starts. When it sounds like the flywheel, but when you press the clutch pedal, the clutch release bearing sounds, but it only happens on cold. when the car get heat. it just doesn't sound anymore. What could be the problem? It's a 2.0 TFSI audi 8p 6 speed manual
They usually last around 100k or so if you're being nice to your car! I wouldn't recommend a used one cause you'll never know how long it would last and more than likely have to replace it with a new one shortly after planning the used one. Save yourself time, money, and the headache by just replacing with new one, you'll benefit more!
Thanks Leon, I have been really worried that I'd made a huge mistake when I did the clutch on our Disco td5. We were getting that horrible screeching noise that happens when someone doesn't lube the spigot bush properly. Anyhow, we changed the clutch at the same time but I couldn't afford to do the DMF. I tried to check it and it did roughly what your new one did. The clutch I took out wasn't too bad and I figured to just go for it as it's our only car. I feel much better now at it was a really heavy job I hope not to have to do again in a hurry.
I have replaced one of these on my mates Mondeo, and it had failed completly turning it self into a lathe inside the bellhouse. I love these information vids from U. Keep em comin`
Thank you for the video, Do you recommend replacing the DMF at each clutch change? I have recently taken ownership of a 2017 Golf GTI and a few days into driving it the clutch is slipping. The dealership I bought it from have agreed without hesitation to replace the clutch for me FOC, but I am also hearing a slight knocking sound at Idle (not bad at all) which I fear is very early signs of dual mass flywheel failure. The car has done 59k and we're talking about a 230bhp car here so my gut feeling is that they should replace the flywheel at the same time. what are your thoughts?
Here in America most vehicles with dual mass flywheels are on diesel trucks. I always replace them with a single mass flywheel. Some of the European cars also have them. Very few cars here anymore even have manual transmissions.
Yes mate only diesel vehicles have them over here some cars you can change to a solid flywheel just depends we are the opposite of you we get very few automatic here
Are they all meant to spring back? I have a performance kit from Sachs SRE and there's no axial movement but it doesn't spring back - just moves left and right.
Great video as always. I have a project car with this problem. I want to tackle this myself for the fun and love of it. I have never tackled this before, do you have any advice.
Makes my DMF looks really bad. Had 1/4 turn of play and an inch of wobble - 145,000 km on a VW transporter but ex post office and both driveshafts were click n clunk.
If you remove the gearbox at 10h labour to do a clutch and it has a dualmass throw it out with the clutch and replace everything. Testing is a waste of time as it guaranteed wont last another clutch disc live . The cost to re-do it all again are way more expensive then a new dmf or if possible a reputable solide mass conversion like the valeo i run in my tdi unit injector engine.
Should all be changed by manufacturers foc a scam and unnecessary had fleet rwd transits had to change whole lot to ordinary flywheels first time towed overweight trailer and when flywheels go drivers carry on forcing them in gear bending selector forks inside box so had to rebuild that as well fwd ones didn't seam so bad
lets assume that there is no problem with centering. cant we just fix two pieces together in a cnc lathe to make it act like a single mass flywheel? will it work?
I had a 2005 golf tdi that sounded like it was making popcorn and it ran and still runs after 14 months In the old days this too much torque issue was avoided by upping the gearbox spec like Vauxhall did with the 2.5 diesel to a 3 litre box.
I have a 5 door Citroen xsara when 3rd gear and up when come off the power there is a heavy rattle noise but you touch power again even the slightest touch it goes away . Have you any idea what this is ?
Hi mate how's you can appreciate it going to be very difficult for me to answer this it could be something as simple as just a loose heat shield or it could be something more serious as clutch problems flywheel problems engine problems the list just goes on and on hopefully you can understand it's going to be very difficult for me to answer this I don't want to say something to you and it be wrong and you waste money on parts
just fitted a VALEO solid mass flywheel conversion kit to my 170000 mile skoda 5 speed 105 PD …………..do you think I`ve made a mistake, everyone else on utube are naysayer`s and doom mongers, what do you think, mistake or not?
Hi mate I fitted lots of solid flywheels two cars and never had an issue I always check with my clutch guy he tells me if it will actually work or not but the ones I have fitted I've never had any issues
Well maybe this car still have the OEM DFM fitted,but at some point the clutch kit must have been replaced,and that is why it's still in good condition,thank you for showing us this way of testing,it's very helpful.
Valeo every time like you sed showed no sign of giving up even in such a bad way correct me if I'm wrong I presume it's a DV6 if you get a flywheel and valeo clutch kit for a 90 bhp pre 2010 you are good for about 90k sorted 💣
In a perfect world yes but let's imagine clutch is slipping and it's just a clutch plate you test a dual mass flywheel and it is all good and the dual mass flywheel is over £1,000 what are you going to do
mine is knocking at the moment and i can feel sometimes like a rotational feel also vibration through the steeringwheel off to the main dealer i go for warranty lol
I hear what you are saying mate but it's not always just cut and dry always comes down to what the customer wants to spend in a perfect world yes always best to replace everything but if you test something and it test 100% and it cost £1,000 to replace what are you going to do
@@bodgitandleggitgarage in those circumstances yes, but I did get a lux clutch kit for my Jaguar X type for £300 so there would be no point messing around there.
Thanks for the shout out leon. It was much appreciated.
Any time mate
I fitted a dual mass to solid conversion to a Focus 1.8 TDCi about 18 months ago. That car has now done over 200000 miles and drives smooth and is fine. Go to solid if you can get one!!
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mate this is so helpful thanks alot for your time and effort recording and explaining well done.
I had a dual mass flywheel and changed it at 130,000 miles as I was doing the first clutch as a precaution. Pull away in second with the wheels spinning see how long they last. Drive the car normally. The centering bush has cracked and half gone the flywheel surface is off centre and must have had a lot of vibration. 190,000 kilometres ain’t bad in my book.
What will happen if I clean flywheel with power washer?
Is it gonna damage?
Nice, two thumbs up, you just saved my day tomorrow. Cheers mate
Glad to hear it
Great video would you change over ro a single mass flywheel
Single mass flywheel's all the way, hate dmf's. Cause so many issues.
Yes mate I agree with you there are a lot cheaper but unfortunately not every car car can actually accept them with no issues so sometimes you have to but up with the trouble of them
@@bodgitandleggitgarage yes very true, pro's and cons of both really in terms of vibration and potential damage to the crank on some cars. As you say not all cars accept them. I think some manufacturers are going away from them now due to the issues they cause
DMF's are used to prevent harsh vibrations going through the gearbox. I'll rather pay extra and have a DMF than have to replace / rebuild the gearbox.
And most DMF's go when the clutch is worn out anyway. Every car I've had a dmf failure on the clutch was nearly on the rivets.
@@lukey3507 Agree, OEM's don't fit them for fun.
@@lukey3507 and also seen snapped crankshafts due to fitting a solid flywheels without fitting a special harmonic damper to the crankshaft.
springing!!! boom!!!!
Lol sorted
Skip to 1:00 to avoid and by-pass self-indulgent rambling.
Feel like they should make these serviceable so you can dismantle it and replace the springs/bearings and whatever the cost of some of them new is insane.
Weld it together on budget builds. Like my frontera off roader for example. That will never have a new duel mass flywheel. They are worth more than the whole truck.
Fok dual mass they break its just a matter of time. I'm replacing my Mitsubishi pajero one with a trusted single mass flywheel. What was these engineers thinking.
Hi. I have an Opel Zafira. F40 gearbox is used in this vehicle. I'm at the service for chain replacement. The service technician said there was a gap in the flywheel. The video belongs to us. Is this normal? This flywheel was changed 20 thousand km ago. Can this flywheel be used? Is it normal to have this much gap at 20,000 km?
th-cam.com/video/CgDNwBWX_S8/w-d-xo.html
Disappointed to see you went back to a dual , same old sh1t just another day. Should have gone single mass. Less problems.
I have been experiencing a problem with the DQ250 gearbox for the last 10,000 km and it sounds like this:
When the clutch engages there is a clunk, the gear shifts are very linear and nothing is felt.
I have noticed this phenomenon also when I go, in any gear, take my foot off the accelerator and put it back on, a clank is heard.
I'll leave some videos below with what I'm trying to explain.
I'm guessing it would be the dual mass flywheel, the car having 210k km.
The dog bone and mounts are ok.
Replaced the CV Joints but nothing changed.
The sounds appears when you try to reproduce the noise which gets louder and louder the more you try to reproduce it
Also when i'm in idle i feel sometimes some vibratians and when i put it in D, the vibration dissaperes.
On VCDS there's no errors from mechatronic unit.
What do you guys think?
Video on my profile.
What a stupid design. I wonder what prat came up with this idea, probably the same people who designed the v6 Diesel engine on Land Rover. Our engineers seem to be going back instead of forward probably related to Vladimir Putin? That would be a good idea only my main dealer one lasted 58000 miles , so a pattern will probably last just as long and be a lot cheaper.
When mechanics install a new clutch do they ordinarily check the flywheel? Asking as I purchased a car a few weeks ago which had a new clutch installed in Dec due to previous owner burning it out, and the clutch and gear shifting is a nightmare. The dealer has booked the car in with the garage he uses for another new clutch install...but I'm concerned the flywheel is shot and the same issue will happen again if the flywheel is not replaced.
how much you charge for flywheel replacement audi a6 2014 automatic mine issue is rattling sound in reverse gear and shifting gears in lo pedal push.
This has probably been answered but why why replace the clutch when it was basically brand new obviously the dmf does not last longer as the clutch
This is what I like, when you do videos like this quick and straight to the point buddy. Can't beat valeo clutches put one on my mums C4GP.
Boom sorted thanks mate
Really helpful video. I've liked and subscribed.
So the car manufacturers added something else to go wrong to rectify a fault that was not really an issue. They help prolong the life of the transmission but regularly fail themselves.
I think you can still check it on the engine. You should still be able to feel the dead zone or slack. Most dmf manufacturers will specify how many teeth the deadzone should spread across.
Am i correct? I saw what you did but i cannot feel how the spring is pushing against.
The likes of Ford should have owned up and recalled every car with a DMF
Great instructional video as usual.. I replaced the failed Dual mass flywheel on my Skoda Octavia Tdi with a four piece National brand solid flywheel clutch kit. The set only cost me €200, I also replaced the rear crankshaft oil seal, and the clutch input shafts seal... Managed another 80 thousand miles of issue free driving before selling the car... As I recall, the Valeo single mass clutch kit was twice the price at €400 and the Dual Mass replacement clutch kit was over €1000.. The National brand clutch kit has lasted over 130 thousand miles since it was fitted, and is still going strong... Yes Valeo make good stuff, but it's way overpriced..
I'm glad you have saved money mate but at the end of the day you get what you pay for all so you have to take into consideration a customer is paying me to do the job I cannot not put parts in that could fail immaturely because that would just cause me an issue with the customer means I have to do more work for free and it just causes too many problems I put the parts in that I know I can trust that's how I've got to work just for my own reputation I'm sure you can understand that
@@bodgitandleggitgarage Find Autodoc.co.uk good for hard to get Car parts they seem to be able to source a lot of parts from a company called 'LuK' at very good prices...Autodoc even have an App to look up for same... www.schaeffler.de/content.schaeffler.de/en/products-and-solutions/automotive-aftermarket/index.jsp
You can get the valeo solid conversion for less than 300 mate. At least then your know your clutch will last.
I am a 78 year old ex has been donnington Gt champion 1980. My latest challenge is a 2008 Lancia Musa .1.3 multijet manual 5 speed gearbox . the garage owner who sold me the car claims it has a new clutch. Obviously I aint no mug . the assurances that it has a brand new clutch tied in with the new front discs and steering ball joints . n BUT .. after fitting the two new supplied front tyres an alignment indicated badly worn front lower control arm bushes and ball joint s Ok €500 plus euros later .. I coughed up €6500 euros for this as new looking Lancia Musa .checking over the new front discs and pads all seemed ok at the front ..; so a quick check on the rear brake shoes . the wear lip and corrosion made removing the rear brake drums a bit of a war game . grinding off the rust / wear lip made servicing the rear brakes a breeze . Back to the clutch .. a slight judder and sluggish gear changing was causing an issue .bleeding the clutch slave cylinder helped but the clutch drag / vibration was still there . Now comes the bombshell . the 1.3 fiat multijet engine has a dual mass flywheel . Ok the dealer is adamant that the Musa has a brand new clutch . No mention of the 160,000 km Dual mass flywheel being replaced . My local garage owner / mechanic claims to always replace the dual mass flywheel and the clutch at the same time . I can see why . the clutch is fine but the worn out Dual mass flywheel is preventing a smooth take up .The whole assembly is wandering all over the place resulting in clutch vibration / mild judder . returning this money pit shiny toy seems to be the best option .. and getting my dosh back which will probably need some eyeballing .wish me luck .
Wow good luck mate
Hi, does the flywheel have a top and bottom that needs to be matched the the position of the crankshaft ?
Thanks
My dual mass flywheel was slipping after 280 000 kilometres (not the clutch lol.) on my Mitsubishi pajero 2008 model and tha clutch was still in good condition. Also had a ton of grease coming out from that flywheel. You can't repair them either. Best is go back to old school single mass , problemmo solved
Do you have to take out the oil when you do this process ? Can you do it without taking the oil out ?
A pendulum flywheel will make this noise when new, so be aware
Good tip mate, I have to agree when it comes to clutch is worth the extra pennies for a quality one cheers 👍👍👍
Exactly mate you get what you pay for
Now then, I had a mk4 Golf tdi fitted with a SMF, drove ok, a little jumpy pulling away in 1st but after that no problem.
I now have a Leon mk2 Tdi FR 140 ( 1P1 ) with a DMF nearing the end of it's service life, getting a bit clunky. Can you see any probs fitting a SMF ? I keep hearing bad comments about long term damage to transmission etc, why? surely that's down to clutch control.
The Leon has done just over 100K but I would say when I bought the car it had been fitted with a towbar so probably got some abuse.
The problem I appear to have with my DMF is that something is causing me to go thru them every 2000 miles (the last one that got changed was ‘shredded’ apparently) with the transmission guy telling me it was an imbalance in the engine that was causing the issue. However the engine idles perfectly, which doesnt suggest an imbalance 😬 So im stuck.
I had a '02 diesel Focus with about 150k miles. I parked, on restarting it terrible sound! I thought the starter had failed to release from the ring gear. No DMF! I limped it home only reving to. 1500 rpm. Sounded and felt dreadful! I needed to use it still but in the return trip I redlined it and did some violent gear changes several times. The noise and shaking stopped, and it was still okay when I got rid of it 50k miles on. Guess I got lucky!
Is wise to replace it with a full mass flywheel instead
Thank you for this very informative video!
My RG Colorado will need a new clutch very soon. I've never dealt with duel mass flywheels before so I have no idea what to look for.
In not going to risk leaving the flywheel and just replacing the rest, I'll do the lot!
I have heard that I can change to a single mass clutch kit and save a few dollars but I think I'll stick with what nature intended!
What kind of car is that? And what brand flywheel. The original one. Trying to figure out what my stock oem flywheel is on my 2012 acura tl
I got a vibration happening on load on vehicle. Car on cold sounds like marbles goes away once warm. Thinking dmf. It is getting worse but not too visible on idle. Can sometimes see frm. D and neutral it goes away. Dsg
I've got factory spec free play and 4/5 teeth movement but it doesn't really spring back. It does slowly come back if I put a lot of pressure onnitnfirst. Does this sound good? It's a valeo.
Unfortunately a new clutch kit is usually as, or more, expensive than your average used vehicle. They should at least make the flywheel more durable.
cars use to run millions of miles before this wonderful invention
Many of the engines that were fitted with dmf have switched back to solid flywheels in later redesigns.
Manufacturers claimed they were required to prevent crankshafts snapping, but the fact they supplied the same engines with solid flywheels and simpler harmonic balancers shows that wasn't true.
Some engines had solid and dmf fitted to different models in the range at the same time particularly vans/commercial models.
PSA 1.4+ 1.6hdi came with dmf on cars and solid on vans so you could just buy a cheap flywheel and clutch kit for the van model to convert using OEM parts.
my clutch on my 02 jeep tj works perfect.......but im getting a wicked vibration at all rpm.......like a dead hole......i assume if that goes bad it would vibrate like crazy?.......and ( got it used )......if someone did a single mass swap......i could watch my gear shift shake at idle? Trying to narrow this down before I pull the trans on a hunch !!
Thanks for the video. Do you have any preference between Valeo, Luk and Sachs? I have a 2008 Citroen C5, 2.0Hdi with 100kW and can not choose between the three.
Chris, when I'm looking at a decent second hand DMF with warranty from a reputable dismantler, good spring action etc, why is it usually half the flywheel that's sold, the sprocket, is it a weight & convenience thing, like you don't really need the back?
A few years back, I had a DMF disintegrate on a 3 year old 60.000 mile Xsara Picasso. I knew something was not right as I started getting a vibration wobble when accelerating whilst towing a caravan on holiday in Scotland. Guy at Murchisons Garage in Kyle told me DMF's often pack up in towcars due to the extra load. Beware buying a car with a towbar fitted!!!!!!
Great advice mate
Buying a Citroen was your first mistake then getting one that’s been pulling fuck knows what for 60k was your second mistake mate.
Doing my transit custom gear box, just took my dual mass off it does spring back with no signs or feel of wear, I’m going to prick up the bits I do need i.e gear box oil, new slave for and release bearing, do you recon it’s worth putting the flywheel in as a while your there job?
Hey, I have a noise on cold starts. When it sounds like the flywheel, but when you press the clutch pedal, the clutch release bearing sounds, but it only happens on cold. when the car get heat. it just doesn't sound anymore. What could be the problem? It's a 2.0 TFSI audi 8p 6 speed manual
How long should a new flywheel last from new ? Would you recommend a second hand flywheel ?
They usually last around 100k or so if you're being nice to your car! I wouldn't recommend a used one cause you'll never know how long it would last and more than likely have to replace it with a new one shortly after planning the used one. Save yourself time, money, and the headache by just replacing with new one, you'll benefit more!
Thanks Leon, I have been really worried that I'd made a huge mistake when I did the clutch on our Disco td5. We were getting that horrible screeching noise that happens when someone doesn't lube the spigot bush properly. Anyhow, we changed the clutch at the same time but I couldn't afford to do the DMF. I tried to check it and it did roughly what your new one did. The clutch I took out wasn't too bad and I figured to just go for it as it's our only car. I feel much better now at it was a really heavy job I hope not to have to do again in a hurry.
Boom sorted
I just bought a new luk dmf from fast parts and the rocking is worse than that. Glad I knew to test before fitting. It be going back tomoz
i have same transmission in my car i would like change st220 6 speed transmission is it possible to change will it it fit ?
I have two new flywheels. Both only have spring back in one direction. Is this normal? Zafira B 1.7 CDTI
Awesome as ever! About to do my 2010 2.2 115 T260 clutch on the drive and know how to check the flywheel now! Thanks a million. 👍
I have replaced one of these on my mates Mondeo, and it had failed completly turning it self into a lathe inside the bellhouse. I love these information vids from U. Keep em comin`
Thanks mate
Thank you for the video, Do you recommend replacing the DMF at each clutch change? I have recently taken ownership of a 2017 Golf GTI and a few days into driving it the clutch is slipping. The dealership I bought it from have agreed without hesitation to replace the clutch for me FOC, but I am also hearing a slight knocking sound at Idle (not bad at all) which I fear is very early signs of dual mass flywheel failure. The car has done 59k and we're talking about a 230bhp car here so my gut feeling is that they should replace the flywheel at the same time. what are your thoughts?
yes replace the fly wheel
look on ebay first
Why did you remove that one then if you said it wasn't giving any signs of it having a problem
Here in America most vehicles with dual mass flywheels are on diesel trucks. I always replace them with a single mass flywheel. Some of the European cars also have them. Very few cars here anymore even have manual transmissions.
Yes mate only diesel vehicles have them over here some cars you can change to a solid flywheel just depends we are the opposite of you we get very few automatic here
Are they all meant to spring back? I have a performance kit from Sachs SRE and there's no axial movement but it doesn't spring back - just moves left and right.
Do you know if there is a solid flywheel available for a 2.2 d4d 150hp avensis motor factors said they can't find a solid
Hi can use 2. Liter fly wheels dual mass on 1.6 Nissan juke dual
Great video as always. I have a project car with this problem. I want to tackle this myself for the fun and love of it. I have never tackled this before, do you have any advice.
have fun mate
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great video ! thanks mate !
for 190k km is really good mines about the same but completely gone
Wow very good job Bodjit we always learn something every day thakns for your time 👍🏻
Dual mass flywheel also works on central fungal force's
Makes my DMF looks really bad. Had 1/4 turn of play and an inch of wobble - 145,000 km on a VW transporter but ex post office and both driveshafts were click n clunk.
boom sorted
If you remove the gearbox at 10h labour to do a clutch and it has a dualmass throw it out with the clutch and replace everything. Testing is a waste of time as it guaranteed wont last another clutch disc live . The cost to re-do it all again are way more expensive then a new dmf or if possible a reputable solide mass conversion like the valeo i run in my tdi unit injector engine.
Hi mate I hear what you are saying but it's not always cut and dry there is issues that can come up
Thanks a million for these pointers. I would not have known what is and is not a good DMF.
Goid video thanks would you ever change to a single mass flywheel
A fabulous demonstration adn I can't thank you enough, you just saved me (my friend) the costly amount of a replacement DMF!!! THANK YOU!!!!
That's what it's all about glad you find it helpful. Thanks for watching.
How to check SMF?
Should all be changed by manufacturers foc a scam and unnecessary had fleet rwd transits had to change whole lot to ordinary flywheels first time towed overweight trailer and when flywheels go drivers carry on forcing them in gear bending selector forks inside box so had to rebuild that as well fwd ones didn't seam so bad
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lets assume that there is no problem with centering. cant we just fix two pieces together in a cnc lathe to make it act like a single mass flywheel? will it work?
No it has to be balanced and whatnot so if you want a single mass then put a single mass on it don’t fuck about lol
Wish I saw this before I did my mini clutch!!!!
good info. fine job.
Thanks mate
I had a 2005 golf tdi that sounded like it was making popcorn and it ran and still runs after 14 months In the old days this too much torque issue was avoided by upping the gearbox spec like Vauxhall did with the 2.5 diesel to a 3 litre box.
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useful
is still good use old stock new dual mass flywheel?
I have a 5 door Citroen xsara when 3rd gear and up when come off the power there is a heavy rattle noise but you touch power again even the slightest touch it goes away . Have you any idea what this is ?
Hi mate how's you can appreciate it going to be very difficult for me to answer this it could be something as simple as just a loose heat shield or it could be something more serious as clutch problems flywheel problems engine problems the list just goes on and on hopefully you can understand it's going to be very difficult for me to answer this I don't want to say something to you and it be wrong and you waste money on parts
Hope I don't have trouble with my 2012 Mondeo it has an automatic gearbox so will that be worse for me in repairs if that gets worn.
the most expensive thing is going to be your gearbox automatic gearbox is always expensive
just fitted a VALEO solid mass flywheel conversion kit to my 170000 mile skoda 5 speed 105 PD …………..do you think I`ve made a mistake, everyone else on utube are naysayer`s and doom mongers, what do you think, mistake or not?
Hi mate I fitted lots of solid flywheels two cars and never had an issue I always check with my clutch guy he tells me if it will actually work or not but the ones I have fitted I've never had any issues
@@bodgitandleggitgarage cheers geyser !!!
Sorted!!!!
Dual Mass Flywheel is a ridiculous system.
Well maybe this car still have the OEM DFM fitted,but at some point the clutch kit must have been replaced,and that is why it's still in good condition,thank you for showing us this way of testing,it's very helpful.
Not on this one mate the customers had this car since new and this is the first time it had anything inside the gearbox replaced
Valeo every time like you sed showed no sign of giving up even in such a bad way correct me if I'm wrong I presume it's a DV6 if you get a flywheel and valeo clutch kit for a 90 bhp pre 2010 you are good for about 90k sorted 💣
all so be aware Peugeot and Citroen are using LUK from new witch seem to last ok but LUK replacement kits are garbage
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How much is the price range of that part?
Well i dont agree . that dual mass flywheel had at least 24hour service life remaining in it.
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But boss is this "normal wear and tear"
I tell ya that old clutch would’ve gone back on
If the box comes out for a clutch , you bet it's having a new dual mass , without fail
In a perfect world yes but let's imagine clutch is slipping and it's just a clutch plate you test a dual mass flywheel and it is all good and the dual mass flywheel is over £1,000 what are you going to do
mine is knocking at the moment and i can feel sometimes like a rotational feel also vibration through the steeringwheel off to the main dealer i go for warranty lol
Was it the flywheel?
@@MrBojangles901 centric bearing rattling so they replaced the flywheel and clutch aswell under warranty win win
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Sounds good 😁
Brilliant, spot on information on this thank you .
i pity anyone who fits a transmech clutch, god awful things.
Boom lol
That need bee welded an like new
just about to tackle.my citreon relay 2.2 with the same issue
how fun mate
Thanks so much you clear my mind after all this time !!! But now let me ask you where did you buy the new flywheel and clutch kit?
I buy them from my local Motor Factors
Thanks for the lesson!!! Most informative!!
Can that flywheel be repaired?
if unchanged can it disintegrate?
Cheers... But if you get the gearbox off, wouldn't change the clutch and flywheel anyway as it is a major pain?
Benedict White problem is the parts are really expensive you could be looking at £600-700 or more just in parts
@@autoSRI so is the labour to remove and replace the gearbox.
I hear what you are saying mate but it's not always just cut and dry always comes down to what the customer wants to spend in a perfect world yes always best to replace everything but if you test something and it test 100% and it cost £1,000 to replace what are you going to do
@@bodgitandleggitgarage in those circumstances yes, but I did get a lux clutch kit for my Jaguar X type for £300 so there would be no point messing around there.
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Very informative. Thank you